I met Rocky when I was just a boy...early 60's. My dad and I were in line to get hamburgers and my dad saw Rocky also waiting nearby so we went over and talked with him. No one else around. Shook his hand and I'll tell you I remember it being a HUGE hand and it felt as strong as steel to me. Very impressive and nice guy. A gentleman.
I had the pleasure of meeting Archie 20 years after this,... He taught me how to throw a devastating uppercut and shovel hook.... Great man, very humble and extremely tough
So unlike the crisp colors and supersharp video of current broadcasts, but so great to see the fight live and in its entirety, as if on an old TV, with a calm commentator rather than a cheerleader for the promotion.
Archie was crafty and tough., you don’t win 185 fights for nothing . He could just not last the onslaught of punches Marciano through. Man he don’t give you anytime to take a breather in a round . He was always on his opponent from bell to bell.
Carlson 1990 cause he damn well knew he would have fucked him up good and proper. Difference between a spitfire and a jet plane,a horse and cart and a racing car. Marciano was garbage
Anyone who talks crap about Marciano clearly hasn’t watched the tapes. Guy is a one man wrecking crew and won’t stop coming forward for 15 rounds, throwing bombs. Hard to beat a guy like that in a fight lol
Dont know who was talking smack about Marciano. That is crazy because he was durable had a great chin high motor and could through powerful shots with any hand from any angle. He was not always the strongest man in the ring but he would throw them hands with all kinds of torque. Not fair to compare him with the champions of 80,90, and forward. You could not put those fighters in his time and expect them to be the same either.
@@nofilteralltruth Exactly why I just left my comment in the general reply. Many of the good fighters Rocky fought were past their primes...like Archie and Joe Louis. Joe would NOT have lost to Rocky during his prime and damn near 12 year reign.
Facts like archie moore was surviving this fight cause of his experience. In all honesty, if he was 20 years younger this would for sure be a different fight and rocky would be trouble the entire time
@@nofilteralltruth Foreman was 45 when he won the title on his come back a good chunk of the current top 10 are pushing 40 and Moore was older when he gave Ali a good fight
By hell Archie took a bloody beating,total respect for him.....As for the undisputed heavy weight champion of the world.....RIP Rocky Marciano you truly are an inspiration for the boxing fraternity......
It's a shame that the great Archie Moore is known mostly for his loses to Marciano and Ali. However, even in his defeat his ring brilliance is undeniable. MMA and boxers should spend hours studying his every move. It takes me 30 minutes to watch one full round.
damn right, but one reason I call him my favorite fighter, is that he did move up to fight Patterson, Clay, and the Rock.he was a gladiator, and it rubbed off on George Foreman, who had Archie quietly in his corner. George ended up winning a second world title (the linear title)20 yrs. after losing it.
UA-camr Archie was was tuff even as he got older he just stayed clean and wanted no part of under world stuff and I do think he was denied a lot in younger years cause you know he wouldn't cooperate I do think he should of been champ for a while. politics coming from a Canadian Italian wow. I'm a Tyson fan
cldnt have said it better. same. is there a better app for watchin yt vids in slowmo? i use mxplayer which is pretty decent. just curious if u found better one
After Moore retired, both Ali and Foreman (among many others) approached the Old Mongoose to train them. Those who beat him still had great respect for him, including Marciano here.
yes ur right and as far as the bigger guys...these days they r soft compared to these guys..15 rounds and they always knocked out the guys above200 pounds cuz they were not in shape enough
@@jerometruitt1452 I like them both archie wanted MARCIANO badly putting up posters...archie is a tuff sob 👍but while campaigning for this fight he did make a remark about MARCIANOs wife ...I guess he wanted MARCIANO BADLY he got HIS wish
The last round ended in 79 seconds of the round . Rocky threw 72 punches in that round almost 1 a second . Unbelievable. If you are tired you can’t stand up to that onslaught for long . Archie a great fighter non the less
44 Marciano opponents: We see their entire "CAREER" record, not a partial record. Seeing a boxers complete resume gives a more accurate evaluation how good, or how bad they are. Professional boxers can easily be evaluated using US school grades A, B, C, D, and F. Lee Epperson - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs (F-level) Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs (F-level) Gilbert Cardone - 0 wins 3 losses with 0% KOs (F-level) John Edwards - 1 win 2 loss with 33% KOs (F-level) Bill Hardeman - 1 win 6 losses with 0% KOs (F-level) Humphrey Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KOs (F-level) Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs (F-level) James Connolly - 12 wins 9 losses with 33% KOs (F-level) Harry Bilazarian - 15 wins 12 losses with 35% KOs (F-level) Bob Jefferson - 3 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs (F-level) Harold Mitchell 4 wins 17 losses with 4% KOs (F-level) Gilley Ferron - 4 wins 13 losses with 17% KOs (F-level) Artie Donato - 7 wins 13 losses with 10% KOs (F-level) Johnny Pretzie - 10 wins 13 losses with 33% KOs (F-level) Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs (F-level) Pete Louthis - 32 wins 14 losses with 35% KOs (D-level) Tommy DiGiorgio - 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KOs (F-level) Kenne Simmons - 9 wins 22 losses with 12% KOs (F-level) Art Henri -18 wins 29 losses with 18% KOs (F-level) Jimmy Walls - 20 wins 41 losses with 7% KOs (F-level) Ted Lowry - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs F-level) Ted Lowry (twice) - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs F-level) Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs (F-level) Gino Buonvino (twice) - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs (F-level) Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs (F-level) Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs (F-level) Willis Applegate -12 wins 16 losses with 13% KOs (F-level) Lee Savold - 104 wins 45 losses with 50% KOs (D-level) Phil Muscato - 56 wins 23 losses with 25% KOs (D-level) Bill Wilson - 56 wins 27 losses with 51% KOs (D-level) Johnny Shkor - 31 wins 19 losses with 42% KOs (F-level) Fred Beshore - 35 wins 17 losses with 24% KOs (D-level) Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs looks okay until you see he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less. Eddie Ross - 19 wins 5 losses with 72% KOs looks okay until you see he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less. Bob Quinn - 20 wins 4 losses with 58% KOs looks okay until you see he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less. Bernie Reynolds - 53 wins 13 losses with 49% KOs looks okay until you see he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less. Pat Richards - 24 wins 9 losses with 39% KOs looks okay until you see who he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less. Carmine Vingo - 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KOs looks good until you see ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents. Don Cockell - 66 wins 14 losses with 46% KOs looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck. Harry Matthews - 90 wins 7 losses with 58% KOs is a good B-level resume. Problem is he was a natural middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight. Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. Shouldn't one have to beat credible Heavyweight opponents to be respected as a legitimate Heavyweight champion? Even Marciano's best 3 opponents Walcott-Charles-Moore lost (68) times and were KO'd (20) times. Marciano never faced an elite fighter in his prime. Name one, just one prime elite fighter Marciano beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Walcott Charles Moore were in their prime when they fought Marciano? *In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results- the real stumblebums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time fights, the less-talented fighter often gets the bulk of the cash; he is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably--The Ring Magazine IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0.. WAY TOO MANY HOMELESS WALK-IN D AND F-LEVEL BOXERS TAKIN-DIVES AND PADDIN RECORDS FOR EASY $$$.. OR BEING FORCED TO BY THE SICILIAN UNDERWORLD THAT CONTROLLED EVERY SINGLE FACET OF BOXING DURING THE 50s!!! EVEN LITTLE ROCKY HAD SICILIAN MAFIA BOSS CARBO IN HIS BACK POCKET PROTECTING HIM BECAUSE THEY WERE MAKING MILLIONS THROUGH HIM.. THE DAY AFTER HE RETIRED HE IMMEDIATELY ABANDONED HIS KIDS AND WIFE TO CONNECT WITH HIS UNDERWORLD FRIENDS WHO HELPED HIM START HIS LOANSHARKING BUSINESS.. CRY AND SCREAM ALL YA WANT BECAUSE IT CANNOT EVER SWEEP IT UNDER THE CARPET!!! IT WAS REAL AND VERY WELL DOCUMENTED SO STOP LIVING IN DENIAL
Rex Layne - 50 wins 17 losses with an abysmal 48% KOs (C-level). Keep in mind that C-level is an average fighter that's still capable of winning a title. Layne scores an extremely low 15 points for his top 10 ranked appearances throughout his career. Who did he beat? His best win was against Walcott, but everybody beat Jersey Joe so no biggie. Jersey Joe Walcott - 49 wins 20 losses with an abysmal 44% KOs (C-level). Walcott scores 55 points for his top 10 positions. Walcott fought for the title 6 times and lost 5 times. He's more famous for his losses than his wins. Ali scored 164 points. Louis scored 138. Wladimir 136. Lennox 111. Holyfield 109. Holmes 88. Foreman 86. Frazier 84. Tyson 77 and little Marciano only scored 48 points. Ali is the only Heavyweight with an A+ level. Marciano is B-level for his weak competition. *I'll ad a comment below explaining Walcott's C-level resume in detail. Archie Moore - 186 wins 23 losses with a low-power 60% KOs (A-level at Light heavyweight and C-level at Heavyweight). Moore accumulated 156 points at Light heavyweight and only 21 at Heavyweight. Moore misses his A+ level at Light heavyweight because 23 losses is way too many. Ali only had 5. Louis only had 3. Lennox only had 2. Wladimir only had 5. Liston only had 4. Vitali only had 2. Bowe only had 1 etcetera. BUT BUT Moore had 220 Fights!!! Well little Rocky only had 49 so stop whining. Ezzard Charles - 95 wins 25 losses with the lowest ever 42% KOs. (B-level at Light heavyweight and B-level at Heavyweight). Charles only compiled 24 points at Light heavyweight and 59 points at Heavyweight. Too many losses. Fight 4 fights lose 1 fight, fight 4 lose 1, fight 4 lose 1, fight 4 lose 1, fight 4 lose 1. Y'all act as if 25 losses are Meaningless. If Fury has 1 loss he'll be thrown under the bus for eternity. But it's perfectly okay to sweep Charles's twenty five losses under the carpet because he fought my little hero so it's all good. Charles is considered the greatest light heavyweight of all time, correct? How is that possible with only 24 points? Well because he beat Moore 3 times. It's a tricky situation because Charles got caught in the middle between Light heavyweight and Heavyweight. He only weighed 181-lbs when he won his "vacant-paper" Heavyweight title. Without doubt the weakest "Heavyweight" era of All-Time. MARCIANO WAS EXTREMELY LUCKY RIGHT TIME, RIGHT PLACE, THEN QUITS EARLY
Consider that in the Dec. 1962 Ring magazine poll of 40 boxing experts it was Jack Dempsey that was rated the # 1 Heavyweight of all time with Joe Louis 2nd, Jack Johnson 3rd and Marciano finishing a distant 7th, way behind Dempsey. If he was considered 7th in 1962 how does he propel to the top 5, when since then we have had Muhammad Ali who faced much tougher competition, the big power hitting George Foreman, Larry Holmes who made 20 title defenses, the bigger, faster and more powerful Mike Tyson, and the giant Lennox Lewis who at 6’5” 245 pounds would enjoy a 60 pound weight advantage over Marciano? This is a key point. Boxing historians Herb Goldman and Charley Rose rated Marciano at # 8, "Mr. Boxing, himself," Nat Fleischer rated him at # 10 and John McCallum's Survey of Old Timers (survey of a group of historians and writers) had him at # 9. No major historian who saw Maricano in their lifetime thought he was a top 7 all time Heavyweight and 68 years have passed since Rocky retired. *SO HOW EXACTLY DOES A LITTLE 184 POUND CRUISERWEIGHT WITH DWARFISM ARMS POSSIBLY GO FROM 7TH 8TH 9TH & 10th PLACE DURING THE 60s AND EARLY 70s TO TOP THREE (3) IN 2023???* *Bcus his ranking is now determined by modern computer metric algorithms. Problem is this man-made program was coded to exclude "WEIGHT" from the equation.* That's why little 165lb Heavyweight champion Bob Fitzsimmons from the 1800s is ranked ahead of 240lb Riddick Bowe who only lost "one" time. How's it possible 185lb Marciano ranks higher than Foreman, Holmes, Tyson, Holyfield, Lewis, Vitali, Bowe, Wladimir, Fury etcetera??? *Well now we all know why!!!* Somehow ranking bodies manage to *exclude WEIGHT from their metric* even though they *ACKNOWLEDGE SEVENTEEN (17) DIFFERENT "WEIGHT" CLASSES,,* imagine that. The computer only sees what it's programmed to see. Algorithms only see Marciano fought 4 Hall of Famers and went 49-0, it doesn't see Charles had ALS and 41yr old Moore was a light heavyweight moonlighting at Heavyweight. The algorithms can not see 37yr old Louis was forced to come out of retirement and 39yr old Walcott was a Journeyman that was given 6 attempts at the title bcus the division was so weak. *THAT'S WHY RANKINGS SHOULD ALWAYS BE LOOKED UPON WITH A GRAIN OF SALT!*
@@Bronco_Billy_Jack_Hills you’re like a robot 😂 but I agree completely with how overrated rocky was if he had fought floyd Patterson it would’ve exposed him big time cause even if he did win he would’ve had a lot of trouble with a guy who Liston KOd in 1 round twice
Moore was amazing. Despite the tons of punishment he took in the ring over nearly 30 years he was as sharp and articulate as a professor even in his 80's.
Yes, I saw an interview with him and Howard Cosell in the . . 70s? Amazingly, he had all his marbles, and smart and witty. Boy that sure isn't the case for a lot of fighters.
They are both true greats.... But Ali took boxing to a new level. I like how the announcer is respectful of both fighters.... In 1955 it was probably still a little more dicey that way. (Tho no mention of Rocky's Round 6 punch after the bell...maybe since he owed Archie one, they didn't call it!) Helluva Fight.
@@mr.blackhawk142White 😂 BTW WILLIE PEP WAS WHITE & HE ACTUALLY RAN DURING FIGHTS 😂 These guys would like a word… They fought toe to toe No dancing here 🤡 Joe Louis(prime ) Mike Tyson Foreman Ron Lyles KennNorton Joe Frazier Larry Holmes Sonny Liston Lennox Lewis Evander Holyfield AND ALL WOULD KILL ROCKY 😂
Marciano was reported as spending up to eight hours a day before a fight on his stomach muscles. He could take any punch to the body easily. This allowed him to keep coming forward and punching without fear. He wore everybody down with his strength.
Do you even know how boxers train because what you just said is completely ignorant . You clearly don't know squat about training..... I suppose he also ran 30 miles a day when training for a fight ? Another gross exaggeration from one of your ignorant Rocky fans.... geezuz
Don't take my word for this, but I seem to recall reading about 25 years ago that Mike Tyson regularly did 3000 (3 zeroes) sit ups a day (don't know how many days a week). If true, that would explain a lot of the power he had. After all, he wasn't the biggest heavyweight of his era.
Consider that in the Dec. 1962 Ring magazine poll of 40 boxing experts it was Jack Dempsey that was rated the # 1 Heavyweight of all time with Joe Louis 2nd, Jack Johnson 3rd and Marciano finishing a distant 7th, way behind Dempsey. If he was considered 7th in 1962 how does he propel to the top 5, when since then we have had Muhammad Ali who faced much tougher competition, the big power hitting George Foreman, Larry Holmes who made 20 title defenses, the bigger, faster and more powerful Mike Tyson, and the giant Lennox Lewis who at 6’5” 245 pounds would enjoy a 60 pound weight advantage over Marciano? This is a key point. Boxing historians Herb Goldman and Charley Rose rated Marciano at # 8, "Mr. Boxing, himself," Nat Fleischer rated him at # 10 and John McCallum's Survey of Old Timers (survey of a group of historians and writers) had him at # 9. No major historian who saw Maricano in their lifetime thought he was a top 7 all time Heavyweight and 68 years have passed since Rocky retired. *SO HOW EXACTLY DOES A LITTLE 184 POUND CRUISERWEIGHT WITH DWARFISM ARMS POSSIBLY GO FROM 7TH 8TH 9TH & 10th PLACE DURING THE 60s AND EARLY 70s TO TOP THREE (3) IN 2023???* *Bcus his ranking is now determined by modern computer metric algorithms. Problem is this man-made program was coded to exclude "WEIGHT" from the equation.* That's why little 165lb Heavyweight champion Bob Fitzsimmons from the 1800s is ranked ahead of 240lb Riddick Bowe who only lost "one" time. How's it possible 185lb Marciano ranks higher than Foreman, Holmes, Tyson, Holyfield, Lewis, Vitali, Bowe, Wladimir, Fury etcetera??? *Well now we all know why!!!* Somehow ranking bodies manage to *exclude WEIGHT from their metric* even though they *ACKNOWLEDGE SEVENTEEN (17) DIFFERENT "WEIGHT" CLASSES,,* imagine that. The computer only sees what it's programmed to see. Algorithms only see Marciano fought 4 Hall of Famers and went 49-0, it doesn't see Charles had ALS and 41yr old Moore was a light heavyweight moonlighting at Heavyweight. The algorithms cannot see 37yr old Louis was forced to come out of retirement and 39yr old Journeyman Walcott was given 6 attempts at the title bcus the division was so weak. *THAT'S WHY RANKINGS SHOULD ALWAYS BE LOOKED UPON WITH A GRAIN OF SALT!*
@@Bronco_Billy_Jack_HillsYeah, for sure Marciano at that weight would not have to fight those guys . . Either that, or he would be bigger too. I really believe it is meaningless to compare athletes across eras. One should compare the eras instead.
@@DHEMGHJS Moore and Walcott were old but they were like Bhop for their age, they were dominating top fighters even at their age. Archie Moore knocked out prime ATG Harold Johnson, battered prime heavyweight standouts Nino Valdes and Bob Baker same year he fought Marciano. Held the undisputed 175 title and top 10 ranking at heavyweight for years after this fight
I loved his sportsmanship, and the fact that although he fought with such ferocity, he always seemed to be the first guy there to help his opponent get off the canvas. He was a Champ with great respect and dignity !
Bob C Rocky retired with advice of his idol Joe Louis .His style his stature had to eventually wore him out. Prime eg. 1974 should have been Ali last fight. 1955 and we are still talking about him. Some folks might not like it but have learn to live with it . Rocco is greatest FIGHTER of all time.
+Bob C Exactly right. Rocky was a champion in and out of the ring. Although Ali had a champion's heart, he made it acceptable for a star athlete to be a jerk, and that will always tarnish his legacy and indeed all of American society.
Marciano was one of the dirtiest fighters to hold the heavyweight title.He hit after the bell, butted, hit low ,and twice when men were on the floor, watch his fights for F*cks Sake!
Inan Raeder well I disagree I don't see him head butting you know how many fighters have hit aponents after the bell as you claim Marciano did .I think it's something else that's making you uneasy about Marciano
Marciano was a dirty fighter that is a fact.He hit Moore after the bell and butted him.He hit Lastarza low,and butted him, and lost points for it.He hit C*ckell low, after the bell and while he was on the floor he also butted him.What do you think would make me uneasy about Rocky? I bought these fights 45 years ago and have seen them hundreds of times I know what I'm talking about.
I was just a little kid in the 50's when these great fights took place and I remember the excitement on friday night when I would watch the fights with my dad. It is a shame boxing is no more.
Rocky's cardio was just on another level. Kept the same unrelenting pace throughout the fight and just waited for the other guy to give in. Put any fighter from any era in there with the Rock and you'll get exactly the same result and the reason is simple. You can't beat a man who doesn't know how to lose.
Archie had 219 professional Fights! That's insane. 186 wins 23 losses. You could tell when Rocky laid it on him relentlessly and he is sitting up on the mat with the a look of astonishment. He had never fought a guy like Rock nor would ever again
It didn't help that Moore was the light heavyweight champ moving up in weight, nor did it help that Moore was either 41 to 45 years of age at the time. How would it have turned out if Moore was 32 and Marciano was 41 and moving up in weight to fight the bigger man?
Oh, he aged, alright. Had he been 31 instead of 41 and a natural heavyweight instead of moving up in weight we'd have seen an amazing fight. He put up a great fight for a 41 year old light heavyweight.
@@davidgifford169 in this fight, Archie was fighting someone similar to a LHeavy. on paper, the Rock from Brockton was one of the lightest to reach HW. like Jack Dempsey, he never fought over or near 200lbs. another guy w/ legendary power.
@Kenneth Takacs Jr You don't know how old Moore was, so save your corrections. He was either 39 or 42, no one knows. But what we DO know is that Floyd Patterson knocked him cold in 5 a year after Marciano wore him down. Ali should have been so lucky to have the parade of challengers that Marciano enjoyed. Louis, too. Dempsey. Johnson. Anyone who ever was named heavyweight champ would have feasted on the guys Marciano did, but none of them quit while they were young like Rocky did to preserve that 0.
@@davidgifford169 Archie Moore was the number 1 heavyweight contender and has a fantastic heavyweight resume, the only guys to stop him at heavyweight were Ali, Patterson and Rocky. Archie Moore in his late 30s was still a ATG at 175 and wrecking elite prime heavyweight and 175ers
@Kenneth Takacs Jr Yes one of the greatest ever was Archie, but he actually fought 42 more times after Rocky , for an incredible 8 more years in fact....A great great fighter....
Two of the greatest knockout artists ever. Fighting at the same weight of 188lbs. Just an epic style matchup from two guys who really knew how to punch
I've never seen a boxer take such a beating. I'm just as amazed at how Moore took so many killer punches as of how Marciano was able to deliver them. Moore had the gift, or instinct of how to shift and bob his head only inches to either avoid a punch or reduce the impact of a punch. Very elusive. This match was the closest thing to humanly impossible at two extremes, punching and being punched that I've seen.
Yes, it's incredible how many punches Rocky MISSED. If he had connected more, it would've been shorter. He actually punched himself out at least once, but Moore no longer had any power in his own punches from roughly round 4 on.
I read some replies how Archie gassed out from age in this fight. I disagree, despite him being 38. He defeated Nino Valdes four months before the Marciano fight in 1955 and went full speed to the end, actually won the last two rounds. He slowed down here from the devastating body shots and head blows from Marciano. Despite his incredible longevity in the ring, Archie was still human.
I once read that when Marciano got knocked down that the referee forgot about the eight count being waived for this fight. The referee supposedly got to the count of six before he realized his mistake, and given the level of physical condition that Marciano was in, this six seconds was more than enough recovery time. I’ve always wondered what might have happened if Moore had not been made to wait. It’s telling that Marciano never fought again, despite being in his very early thirties.
@@davidbrandel1311 He only got knocked down on one knee and Moore's complaint was reviewed a million times by the boxing commission and dismissed. I don't see it either. Archie is the one who had no chin after this beating. He only fought four light heavyweights after this bout in the next five years, none of them were number one contenders, so the NBA yanked Archie's LH title in 1960. The general opinion then was there was no one left for Marciano to fight. He beat all of the top HW contenders and the LH champion. His wife and mother were pressuring him to quit and his manager had screwed him to death. Moore was the fighter permanently diminished, not Marciano. Archie fought for eight more years against light heavyweights barely in the top ten and heavyweights with 20 and 0 records against nobodies or 50 percent winning records and two pro wrestlers who only boxed once in their life-against Archie. I admire Archie's passion for the sport. If he hadn't fought Marciano I think he would have had a lot more wins against bigger name fighters, but that would apply to Joe Louis, Jersey Joe, Lee Savold, LaStarza and other fighters who were never the same after the Marciano bouts.
@@williamanderson6006 Archie was always a charmer and deservedly respected as the warrior he was but he had tons of excuses for his losses. In the 1980s he told Roy Firestone on the show called 'Sportslook' that he was fifteen years older than Rocky Marciano. He was actually only seven years older.
Moore was an AWESOME athlete. Old but still better than Marciano here in some ways. If you don't know this you don't know anything about boxing history. But Marciano would die before giving up the possibility to win a match. Marciano is an example of strong determination. The WILL that go beyond the technique and the body structure. You can't beat a man who don't know what surrendering is.
+xritaly - old my ass! Same age as W Klitschko. Anyways, Archie was a better technician but the same archie at 10 years younger would have been beaten by Marciano in the same fashion...maybe 3 rounds or so further in but the end result would be the same. Marciano was too relentless, too durable. Remember that Moore had been beaten multiple time throughout his career and by subpar opponents too. It is what it is.
and yet he lost to Marciano twice ...hmmm? in what ways was he better ? Rocky is fighting with multiple herniated disc if you dont know this you dont know anything about boxing history
Archie Moore has been underrated, he jabbed like Ali and Brawled like Foreman, sometimes displaying explosive hooks like Tyson. More HD highlighted for Archie Moore!
I'm a 3RD GENARATION CANADIAN ITALIAN AND no doubt ARCHIE MOORE TUFF SOB...BUT I DO THINK POLITICS PLAYED A PART IN HIS CAREER FOR THE WOTSE...HE IS TRULY A MACHINE TO KEEP GOING FOR THST THAT LONG.....RIP
I really don't understand why people constantly try to tear down these great fighters by saying he couldn't have beat this or that guy- the facts are Marciano was a great fighter and he beat many other great fighters. I know I would hate to fight anyone with a punch half as powerful as he had. When the commentator said many of the punches weren't landing squarely I found it was the ones that just crazed my head and ribs that hurt the worst. This would have been one fight I would have gladly paid to see- thanks for posting it!
@@SimplyThatGuy12 Moore was the number 1 contender at heavyweight and held a phenomenal resume at weight class. He would have been multi time heavyweight champion in modern multi belt eras. The current undisputed heavyweight champion and greatest heavyweight of this generation is a blown up heavyweight.
This was a different era.... This is when men had to be hard. Nobody back then crying because the power is out and the PlayStation doesn't work. True fighters here. Hats off to both.
I was born early 50.s my boyhood hero then and today was Archie Moore...i am fortunate to have a signed T shirt by him.. its so precious to me.. and i.ll be buried with it...i still say any boxer with a 100% record must go down in history as the true greatest....no question about it Rocky Marciano is surely the greatest heavweight ever....i love the way Rocky batteŕed Moore into submission thèn helped him to his feet amazing man that was the stamp of a true championwhen you get the job done you show respect to your opponent who made your greatness possible...
The onslaught by rocky from 23 .25m mark is "breathtaking" never seen anybody be able to keep throwing bombs relentlessly it's incredible!!! And even the exchange cos moore comes firing back but to no avail its like the rock was just possessed ✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾
Yes, that may have been his greatest asset, his conditioning. It was frightening watching that relentless assault. He wrote/said something about being in shape, and I'm only a fan but from watching many, many fights across all eras, conditioning is one of the most important parameters in a big fight. Most great champions who came later--Roy Jones, Tommy Hearns, Marvin Hagler, Floyd, Manny . . OK, probably not Duran so much, but . . took their conditioning seriously.
Over rated.... I think that he was fortunate to fight in the era that he did... after the peak of Joe Louis ezzard Charles and Joe Walcott and before Cleveland Williams sonny Liston and Muhammad Ali....
@Scott Williams Joe Louis was past his peak Joe Walcott was past his peak and ezzard Charles was past his peak... Marciano was fighting men who were past their best and never very good in the first place like Don cockell and lee Omaha and Roland la starza... and avoiding the danger men like nino valdes... and the other top ten ranking fighters.... people seem to overlook that although he was forty nine and zero.... only six were title fights... four were rematches against Walcott and Charles and the other two were don cockell and Archie Moore.... who was already in his middle thirties by the time he fought against Marciano..... I think that Marciano was probably too strong for the young Floyd Patterson.... but I don't think that he would have been able to get past Cleveland Williams and sonny Liston would have destroyed him... Muhammad Ali would have danced around him and easily picked him off at distance and Joe Frazier would have broken him down.... I think that he was a wildly over rated champion.... crude easy to hit and protected....who was fortunate to fight at the time that he did....
One powerful characteristic that I love about Rocky is his hulking pressure.He just kept on punching.Just goes to show,if you train hard and focus the way he did tremendous results are inevitable.I heard he was a maniac when it came down to training.
I’m surprised no one notices what happens at 27:44 - Rocky slips a left jab by Archie Moore, and then feints with a right (exposing Archie Moore’s right side) then Marciano lands a crushing left hook and then a sledge hammer right. All of this happens within 5 seconds - Marcianos speed is amazing.
Rocky Marchiano is the greatest boxer who had ever lived. He is truly the god of boxing with the record of 49-0 with 43 knockouts nobody can beat that.
Hi SOSS. I am in the process of watching some of Rocky's fights again (I had VCR tapes of 70-90 OLD fights in the 90's, a number of Rocky's), having gone through MOST of Ali's recently, and need to watch more, for sure. But I will tell you ROUGHLY, I put him EITHER in the mid range of the top ten or possibly, at worst, just outside it, taking into account a lot of experts and the fact I haven't seen MOST of his fights yet, i.e. I might potentially be swayed to lower things SOME. I also will allow, once I have revisited (READ MORE, too) guys like Dempsey or Jack Johnson, Tunney...he could go a wee higher than I have him. Many factors, and I don't like to go off half cocked or get ahead of myself, trying to EXACTLY place him. I have Ali then Louis, think their careers largely parallel one another, oddly, and with polarities. If Ali goes on without Exile, I honestly would hate all the Joe Frazier drama lost, but don't think he loses pre-exile, nor to Norton. In any event, no need for three fights with them both. He might well have gone almost EXACTLY the same, record wise, as Louis, either without a loss or with one POSSIBLY to Norton, maybe owing to that baffling for him style, same as Joe had ONE loss before retiring, and like Joe, I think 11 or under 12 years reign is very possible. Of course Louis has more KOs, but Ali would have more, too, without exile, likely a bakers dozen more fights without question give or take one or two, but then Louis lost about the same time or more as Ali, to WWII. The parallels. I just know Louis is WONDERFUL, power in both mitts, SCIENTIFIC, never wasted a punch, all of that. But he had problems with speed fighters, Conn being one of them, all of what looks like a buck seventy eight in pounds, have to check on that (smile). So that is why I think Ali. But I think any discussion for ATG has to include those two, first and foremost. PEACE (and I know I am but a drop of water in an ocean of humanity, but most experts, they have it Louis or Ali, Ali or Louis.). If they fought THREE TIMES, nobody goes 3-0, don't think. So I again, put myself on Mr. Versatility. Joe was UNBLEMISHED in rematches, something like 14-0 I read, or with guys who gave him trouble of any kind. Once he saw you, he could analyze you, find your weak link (not as much film in those days). But the speed thing, along with a superior chin, I believe, if he could weather Joe, I think he'd clutch, survive. Then he'd stay just outside, mostly (would not NEED to dance all night, vs. Joe)...but hopefully we all get to find out in the afterlife!
P.S. While I do think Ali wins on cuts or decision, I DO NOT think it is any easy fight by any strecch, for Ali. He leaves ALL foolishness and showboating aside, or else. Dimensions are Marciano's undoing, mostly. Then again, at 6'3 and 212, Marciano would lose that compact, power swinging, but he'd be fearsome as hell nonetheless, and he was already that, at 5'10 and a quarter, 185. The stamina thing was incredible, but a young, 1960s Ali is the only other cat I see matching that, while mostly avoiding all he could, winning on cuts or points, i.e. TKO or decision. Not to say Rocky COULDN't surprise , cause he had dynamite, for sure!
Very nice SOSS. I agree, one ought to look at it from a few different angles. Most likely DO strictly look at a head to head, but whereas Lennox Lewis likely gives Rocky a ton of trouble (not convinced he wins flat out, or even wins, with HIS chin, and Rocky's stamina, but 6'5, 230 or whatever, etc spells trouble for Rock, style-wise), in no way would I consider HIM ranked all time ahead of Rock. So yeah, other considerations. Length of reign, strength of opposition, did they duck or avoid anybody (I think even Joe only fought TWO black fighters, but you please correct me if that is a wrong memory on my part)...but ALSO, one needs to weigh or discount even that, a tad, as after Jack Johnson rubbing his self in white America's face (took guts), the old timers will tell us, America and more specifically the managers didn't want their white fighters (or possibly even black Joe Louis, who seemed a good soldier, all around) to fight black fighters, up until around the late 40's, early fiftties. An inexact science, to be sure, this whole speculative and unprovable WHO is the All Time Best game that is fun to play. But I think guys like yourself, Rich G, myself, and anybody who truly APPRECIATES the history of it, does try to consider as many angles as are fair and right. And of course, the guys before film, you make great points on (or before MUCH film on them). Me, since I grew up on and love Ali (got to admit ones one unconscious as well as overt bias), I tend to debate some of the lovers of sluggers, "Tyson would kill Ali", or "49-0, 43 KOs, there IS NO DEBATE" type of posts. I ALSO, FWIW, tend to discount to a degree great fighters' LATE in career, i.e. OLD or OUT OF RETIREMENT fights, and not just because Ali lost to Holmes and Berbick at 38 and beyond. Joe Louis at 37 and a half LOOKED studly, even 10 pounds heavier but well muscled vs. Marciano, who was 27, but that might as well have been undigested red meat in his colon like we all supposedly have, as he was pretty well done as a fighter, paying back the IRS, and post KO, he fought only exhibitions. I do not KNOW, but am guessing he was likely just fighting for dough then, so no offense to Marciano or his fans (and I am one), but as far as rating Joe Louis, and considering his overall record, I think the better measure of the man is his record (with just that one loss to Schmeling) up to his retirement. I say this, because, as well, you will hear the ignorant say things like a guy had too many losses, for them, and forget maybe the guy had over a hundred wins, or that he fought MANY MORE TIMES A YEAR than some modern fighter they prefer. Saddler, he fought I think 22 and 24 times in a year one or two years! Ali, as a HEAVY, 8 times, 6 times, etc. Fighting and fighting again three weeks later, folks need to respect what these guys did, risked, and likely HAD to, owing to power structure, and low pay, etc. Of course, we all have bias, some like the boxers, some the sluggers. I see Joe Louis as a perfect blend of both of those things, which is why he is often rated first, maybe slightly more as second, which of course, as with Dempsey, is something that likely has to do with folks dying off, as well, who love this game and like to rate them all. Again, Joe reigned "under" 12 years, as the bankers like to say about the prices of stocks, meaning close to 12. And he lost about four to the war. Tough to argue with that, and of course, as Jack Johnson paved a way, so did Joe, and on to Ali, one for the other, Ali for the rest, as to MONEY exploding. Joe was all man, and a killer with scientific skill. But his particular weak link is Ali's ultimate strength, and we all know he had many himself, the most versatile fighter of the heavies, so that is saying considerable much. Speed, and the smarts to stay out of range, against a shuffling, methodical Louis, I KNOW it is maybe 6 of one, half a dozen of the other, but beyond my love and heart, if I had to bet the house of my loved ones lives to be freed from kidnappers, I would bet on Ali, because of this. Joe, of course was young, but that KO by Schmeling weighs in, for me, as well. I discount the Marciano one, as far as taking his true measure, same as the TKO of Ali at about the same age, vs. for me about tail end top ten all time Holmes, of course younger. It could be said to be an anomaly, Joe being what, all of 22 or so? But Ali got caught a cpl left hooks himself, survived to KO his man. Splitting hairs, like I said, I don't think we get anything but a split, in three fights, if they could stand facing one another that many (basically only Frazier and Ali ever gave us all that brutality at the Heavies slot, three times). But for me, beyond the head to head, as you say. Sure, he refused induction, but boxing leaped prematurely, and we lost years, same as Louis did. But the superior chin, I believe, belongs to Ali, as well. And Ali fought them ALL, no question, period. Like it or not, politics, race, MONEY spent by mostly white fans, etc...Jack Johnson, Dempsey, Louis to a degree, Rocky even (sorry, Rich, as well, if reading), there are guys it seems to me they COULD have fought, but did not. MANY big, rated top ten at some point in their careers guys, 6'2 and 200 plus pounds, that Marciano was not matched with (I have a saved blog that a guy in and around the fight game for some decades compiled). Rich also informed me that the Vingo fight, put into a Coma by Rock, likely colored his mental killer instinct vs. LaStarza I, which MOST feel Marciano flatly should have lost on decision, not won. I can believe that, Ez Charles changed to a boxer more, after he killed a guy. But there is always the flip side of the coin. Folks will say Liston was only 13-1 or 19-1 or whatever, he practically killed Vingo, so why would he fight green Liston? Or that Floyd Patterson's Cus D'Amato wanted to groom Floyd a spell, not knowing Rocky would retire after Moore. Believable, true. But then you hear folks telling you to read January of whatever 1956 Sports Illustrated, the trainer for one or both claiming vehemently that they got avoided, pure and simple...and remember, Floyd had yet to get KO'd (as he did some number of times) by Johansson, or Liston twice, so his chin was not really an issue exposed, but he WAS much faster, younger, and LIston WAS a 6 foot guy who projected himself about 6 foot ten, with a pole axe of a jab, and power. Watching Marciano his last few, and post fight, seeing his face, him getting felled twice by Walcott, Moore, as 38 and 41 year old guys, with a cpl light heavies he fought, and the like...lets just say there is SOME debate, there. I don't blame him for retiring, and I could totally believe Floyd could just flat be KO'd by Rock, but I DID read that once Floyd lost to Johansson, Rocky went back to the gym, for about a month, then realized he didn't have it in him to pay the price. But does that mean Floyd ducked him, as he did Liston for six years, or that Rock saw a slower, older fighter with just a big right in Ingmar, and cherry picked, though he decided not to, ultimately? Hey, Marciano was ALL HEART, the parts that weren't Killer power and wolverine like stamina. NOT disparaging, but if Louis only fought two black fighters himself (he was VERY POPULAR, if he demanded it, he could have given more guys a chance, if he WANTED to, my guess), and Ali fought them ALL, even Shavers at 35, for Pete's sake, and so many greats (golden era, heavies) when past his prime in the 70's, I have to weigh that in his favor. One last thing--again, boxing being such a dirty business, we all know that jewish and italian mobsters ran it for so long, the way it was--if you maybe didn't take a dive some fight, no title shot for you. Not the fighter's fault. But Marciano, of all fighters, can not be said to be immune to benefiting from his association with Mr Carbo, was it? In other words, a ref or judge, in the LaStarza, or maybe Lowry fight, I can see some help there, if you will. I mean, apocryphal story or true, i.e. the mobster yelling at Rock's dad about what he was cooking for him, Rock telling him never do that again, wasn't Carbo or whomever's son in the plane with Marciano the night he died? NOT denigrating--his skills, prowess...just saying, even leaving mobsters out of things, just considering boxing commisions, corrupt as they be, MANY a Champion got the benefit of controversial calls, decisions. Ali, he may have gotten such help in the third Norton bout, one I admittedly have saved for among the last three or four to rewatch, to be honest. Ali was bigger than boxing then, it was close, and to also be honest, Norton had some hubris, thinking he had it in the bag or something, didn't do much of anything the last round. Correctly called as even then or not, up to the 14th as it was, NOT going hard enough likely at LEAST gave the powers that be reason to keep the money making machine rolling a little longer. Far as Ali controvery goes, I know folks claim MANY of his fights were, but there really only is ONE (this third Norton bout) for real. I've rewatched Norton II, and the only controversial thing about that one to ME is why it wasn't UNANIMOUS, for ALI, though I had it 7-5, as Norton got arm weary late, and Ali made sure to come in at his dancing weight, 212, humbled by the first loss. Young had me worried for sure, against fattest ever Ali, as a kid, but a rewatch told me all I needed to know, those FOUR rounds, and multiple times within them, that he hid like a pansy, his head and body OUTSIDE the ropes, Ali even looking at the ref once, not doing anything, and leaning WAY out and over himself, beating on the chickenshit for doing so. WITHOUT all that, I had it scored a draw, or possibly a split decision for Young, true, but it was UNANIMOUS for ALI, which I'd forgot, which means he got penalized for those tactics, those rounds, no other way to explain it. Some say Shavers, but that was while a GOOD fight, in truth NOT hard to score, 9-6 I had it for Ali, and they showed the scoring between rounds, a gimmick, and Ernie saved his energy for late rounds, trying to show the world he was capable, and blew most of that in great 13th, 14th rounds for him, still winging in the 15th, Ali coming into that one tired, hurt, but ultimately nearly KOing Shavers in the last 20 seconds, the bell being Shaver's friend there, and Shavers later years admitting he thought at first he'd won, but saying, "I had some good rounds", but pacing was still a problem. And the Liston fights, people, PLEASE, he beat him like he was his Daddy, the first time, look at it, and Liston's face, made him quit, afraid of the KO that was COMING. The second, the punch DID land, Sonny was leaning forward, off balance, touches his gloves to the canvas, Ali over him, rolls away. NO, not enough to keep him down, and Sonny rolls over like a bad actor, so yeah, he either decided why bother, or was on the take (HE was a mob leg breaker, in the day, so believable), but either way, Ali looks PISSED, standing over him, like GET UP, SUCKER. The end result would have been no different, just a different round. In fairness to the old fighters, having to bow to the mob here or there, or benefit from them...Ali was uniquely blessed NOT ONLY of spirit, but owing to his chosen religion and association with the Nation of Islam, had the MUSCLE, behind the scenes, to keep such influences at bay. They didn't want to pick a fight with the power structure, but were well armed, and could tell any mobsters, I am guessing, to fuck right off, or else, i.e. a war. So in Ali's time, things got as cleaned up as they ever would be, and let's face it , they had showed with likely having Malcom X killed that they could do the do. THANKS, StudentofSweetScience, for bearing with my own longwinded debatings, same as Rich G and Dempsey and others, and thanks as well, for sharing your own well formed and considered opinions and considerable knowledge, TRULY. If we meet in heaven or the like, hopefully it is a place where dreams come true, and we can buy one another a beer and take our seats and watch some of these fantasies, and if The Brown Bomber or Brockton Blockbuster should prove me wrong, or Ali you or someone else, we can just marvel and congratulate, and say, "There's a rematch upcoming, see you there!" Hats off, to ALL fighters, bareknucklers to cage guys. I tend to keep my theorizing to a ring, gloves, the rules in play...but just as the story of a surly and tardy gas station attendant once got a, "Hey man, hurry up" from Ali, then gave Ali (young guy then) some barked words back about let him do his job, and a travel companion of Ali said, "You just whipped Sonny Liston, you gonna take that from him?", and Ali chose to respect and leave well enough alone, saying, "That man looks tougher than Sonny Liston", we all know, somewhere out there, unknown, are likely guys who in a different venue could whip all these guys we all love. PEACE!
Great fight! Man, Moore kept catching Rocky with that right early on, messing up Rocky's eye real bad, but Rocky just kept on coming. Great conditioning and will to win.
I wouldn't say Rocky was in prime physical condition. He did seem tired at times, but my gawd he was relentless! And props to Arch for holding his LH title for so long, whoa!
Imagine if Archie Moore was in his prime like Rocky was. Imagine also if Moore was a natural heavyweight like Marciano was. Good thing for Rocky that Moore was neither in his prime nor a natural heavyweight.
When Marciano closed in on opponents, he did it out of a crouch bobbing and weaving. He was very crafty and sly in the way he moved in on opponents. Ali said Rocky was surprisingly hard to hit cleanly.
Yes. He developed that funny style because of his short arms. He just wanted to land one of his haymakers [eg, 'Suzie Q'] and he was in tremendous shape, from an almost masochistic training regimen . . So he could pour it on, like he did here. He MISSED most of those punches, do you know how tiring that is? Even Rocky could get punched out . . But of course he could recover faster too. One fellow fighter once said of Floyd, "he always trains like he's broke". Many great later champions learned from Marciano.
The REAL Greatest Of All Time, Rocky Marciano. The guy was an absolute machine. A Roman Gladiator. As more time went on, he didn’t get tired at all, and in fact, he got stronger as the fight went on. He could take thousands of the hardest haymakers right on the chin and keep moving forward absolutely unfazed. It was genuinely incredibly unexplainable.
Archie fought a courageous fight here. The punch that decked the Rock was definitely more damaging than the Walcott punch that floored Rocky in the first round of the title fight, back in 52.
HOW THE FOOK CAN YOU DISLIKE THT ???? CLASSIC FIGHT. Good video pal. 10/10 for the courage of The Old Mongoose. As for Marciano. what can you say. ?? Anyone ?
You can say he was fortunate that every name fighter he faced was old. Joe Louis was 37. Joe Walcott was 38 and 39. Archie Moore was either 41 or 45. Ezzard Charles was 34 and 35....meanwhile, Marciano was in his prime for all of them.
@@davidgifford169 Marciano wasnt that fortunate, he started boxing at 25 and took alot of punishment in 7 short years. He fought ATGs who though past prime still topping the heavyweight division, and they all wanted that title
@@jmitch897 nope. That's a lie. Charles was 34 the first time and 35 the second time, but Marciano RETIRED at 32 after going life and death with a 42 year old light heavyweight who dropped him.
In Rocky's own words: "In my prime, I could have fought with any man alive". He doesn't say he could have beaten any man alive, but he would have fought a competitive fight. The punching power of the Rock at 185 could take out anybody at 220. Marciano vs Norton, one word comes to mind, T I M B E RRRR !
It looked like moor through a right hook but it didn't look like it had any power behind it however Rocky went down. Archie Moore, nickname the old mongoose held the record and far as I know still does hold the record for the most knockouts in any weight class.
Amazing. 2 fighters both from Brockton, both brilliant in their division, and both lives tragically cut short -- Rocky Marciano and of course Marvellous Marvin Hagler. 🇬🇧
One of the rare times Moore was the bigger man in a heavyweight fight. At weigh in they were equal but by fight time you could tell Moore was bigger. Rocky was without equal in conditioning, work rate, and punch volume. He sometimes averaged 130 punches a round, insane for a heavyweight. Insane for ANY weight. Even though he was 7 years younger than Moore, Rocky was old for a boxer of that style and work rate which is likely why he retired after this fight. At age 32 it's damn hard to keep up the maniacal training regimen required to fight like Rock did. Joe Frazier, who trained like a man possessed, said his fight training regimen merely equaled Marciano's normal every day regimen. Moore knew every trick in the book and that allowed him to survive very late into his career. Being perhaps the hardest lb for lb puncher in boxing history helped too. But even his best shot (and that was SLICK) floored Rock for a count of only 2. Rock's workrate was just too much for the ole Mongoose.
Marciano didn't take up boxing until he was 24. Yet he destroyed the best boxers of his day before retiring. I'll never understand why he didn't make it an even 50 - 0 record before hanging up the gloves.
@@uversa7 It's because his manager had wrongfully taken a huge percentage of Marciano's purse and Rocky got tricked into signing a contract where he paid much of his earnings to him. Also, he was up there in age too and felt he was deteriorating. So better to retire on top.
Merci mille fois pour ce beau moment historique si ont peut nous faire voir des moments historiques de Marcel serdant je suis preneur merci encore ❤️❤️❤️
Speaking of the last name Robinson suger ray Robinson was once asked would you fight rocky Marciano and rays manager said if we can make it happen we will and Robinson spoke up and said no because he’s smart
@@Xavier-wf4vz with how good ali dealt with rocky when they weren't suppose to be serious even though rocky was...I think robinson would've got the best of em in the long run. Rocky was a monster but robinson fought with a sword and shield and an agility of a leopard.
My God Marciano was ferocious. So strong, like a relentless machine that just kept advancing. Never seen anyone box like that, no foot work, just march forward and hit. His chin mustve been made of cast iron.
Actually he did have foot work that’s what allowed him to close distances and he even did a step over which is a no no in boxing but he was able to do it from time to time…. Watch ROCKY’S slide, slide shuffle leading in to his KO of Walcott in the title fight…. Watch it slow motion…. It’s his footwork that puts him in position to throw the most devastating single punch in history.
Charles (when he fought Marciaon the first time) was just off of a good win over Bob Satterfield. Archie Moore had just defeated for the umpteenth time, Nino Valdez, Walcott was the champion (he had just knocked out Ezzard Charles with one of the best left hooks ever seen) and Joe Louis had 12 straight victories since his loss to Charles.
@@jskypercussion well, Marciano never fought any prime heavyweights. He managed to beat jersey joe Walcott who was a good boxer, but mostly fought as a light heavyweight and was knocked in several prior fights, making him vulnerable to knockouts. He struggled to beat ezzard Charles who was suffering early symptoms of ALS. He managed to beat 37 year old washed up joe Louis, and in this fight he barely scraped by 41 year old Archie Moore who was just a ghost of his earlier self. Marciano didn’t hold the title very long, fight many notable fighters, and he never fought any good fighters in his prime. Put Marciano against joe Louis, Archie Moore or ezzard Charles when they were in their prime and it would be a far different story.
This was 1955, Ali fought Moore in 1962. The famous picture of Ali looking down at a knocked out Moore. Rocky fought him 7 years earlier, when he still had steam. Marciano had the best stamina of any heavyweight I've ever seen.
As others have stated, Archie Moore's professional career is unparalleled. If the light heavy division was as popular and prestigious as the Middle and Heavies he may have maintained an unprecedented championship run. Amazing!
Moore really was amazing, I need to watch more of his fights. But, what would you say was his ideal weight? Neither Archie nor Rocky would not be heavyweights today [and so what].
Wow! No respect for one of the best boxers ever! Even if he had less competition (Which I don't agree with you on.), he still went 49-0! 43 of them were KOs! You can't take that away from someone who worked as hard as he did!
One thing that I noticed after watching this fight ofr the 100th time is that Marciano was such a brilliant strategist. After getting kncoked down he made an adjustment that stopped Moore from being able to punch back effectively. He threw a lot of short powerful punches that Moore was too busy worrying about to get any offense of his own going. Rocky was one hell of a fighter. Great guy too. One of the best EVER!
Rocky really didn't have any great challenges in his career. He fought Moore, Charles, Wallcot,and Louis. How old were these guys? I think you already know. What if Mike Tyson won the title at 29 by beating a guy 39? What would you say?
Marciano started old he was 25 his first pro fight...Joe Louis said Marciano hit harder than any boxer he had ever boxed,quite a compliment from a boxer who held the title 1937 -1949 12 years and 25 title defenses.
This is pure gold. It don’t get better. I love Marciano. But Archie Moore, is a MAN. Love both of them. To give Marciano that kind of fight at his age. God, what a stud
BristolViceSquad you forget that a peak foreman got beat by a washed up version of Ali and lennox lewis is the most overrated boxer of all time i expected you to say something like larryholmes
BristolViceSquad Ali dominated in his fight against foreman he wasn't just standing in the ropes taking punches he was throwing the more powerfull punches even before the KO and lennox fought holyfield past their prime lost to oliver mccall and hasim rahman who are both mediocre boxers should have lost in his fight against ray mercer got lucky against vitali briggs and bruno on paper he looks good but when you actually watch him fight you relise hes overrated
I never saw Rocky backup for more a than a step his whole career. He was a machine, relentlessly moving forward and wearing his opponents down until they were open for the thundering right. He fought like it never occurred to him he could lose.
My goodness Rocky really put it on Archie, wow, for such a size difference you can see Rocky was the greatest of all the fighters of that era, easily the GOAT.
Add to that the fact that Marciano had more endurance than any fighter in history because he did more road work and fought more consecutive rounds in training. I read in one of his biographies that in training for one of his fights, he sparred 250 consecutive rounds!
23:45-24:58, my goodness, nonstop haymakers from a heavyweight. Absolutely crazy. None of that jab jab move jab hold crap. And wow that last round. Absolutely relentless
Yes, I just learned recently he developed his style, rather unique from what I've watched, because of his short arms . . He really was tricky. And that gazelle punch . .
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I met Rocky when I was just a boy...early 60's. My dad and I were in line to get hamburgers and my dad saw Rocky also waiting nearby so we went over and talked with him. No one else around. Shook his hand and I'll tell you I remember it being a HUGE hand and it felt as strong as steel to me. Very impressive and nice guy. A gentleman.
Quelle chance 🙂
Wow , you met the Champ😂❤
I had the pleasure of meeting Archie 20 years after this,... He taught me how to throw a devastating uppercut and shovel hook.... Great man, very humble and extremely tough
that is one cool story. Archie is ,after all is said and done, my favorite fighter. the KO King, w/ 131(I think).
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Video footage proves Rocky Marciano was a cheat. He felt the need to cheat his way to victory. ua-cam.com/video/d85PqloBq68/v-deo.html
Tell me tell me
Rocky Marciano had a True Chin, great Stamina, and just Phenomenal Punching Power in this Fight.
Strong Italian man!👍🥊💪🇺🇲🇮🇹
So unlike the crisp colors and supersharp video of current broadcasts, but so great to see the fight live and in its entirety, as if on an old TV, with a calm commentator rather than a cheerleader for the promotion.
Archie was crafty and tough., you don’t win 185 fights for nothing . He could just not last the onslaught of punches Marciano through. Man he don’t give you anytime to take a breather in a round . He was always on his opponent from bell to bell.
Rocky was a tough SOB.
I liked it when Ali said we were all the "greatest for our time." That was in the 1990's. Ali had great respect for Rock.
Because he knew he couldn't have beat him.
Carlson 1990 cause he damn well knew he would have fucked him up good and proper.
Difference between a spitfire and a jet plane,a horse and cart and a racing car.
Marciano was garbage
Carlson 1990 nonsense. He would have outpointed Rock or stopped him on cuts. It wouldn't have been easy.
No he was the best of his era and ducked nobody, but Ali would have crucified him.
Cus was wrong.
Anyone who talks crap about Marciano clearly hasn’t watched the tapes. Guy is a one man wrecking crew and won’t stop coming forward for 15 rounds, throwing bombs. Hard to beat a guy like that in a fight lol
Dont know who was talking smack about Marciano. That is crazy because he was durable had a great chin high motor and could through powerful shots with any hand from any angle. He was not always the strongest man in the ring but he would throw them hands with all kinds of torque. Not fair to compare him with the champions of 80,90, and forward. You could not put those fighters in his time and expect them to be the same either.
Are you freaking kidding urging Moore's 42 years old in this fight.
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Exactly why I just left my comment in the general reply.
Many of the good fighters Rocky fought were past their primes...like Archie and Joe Louis.
Joe would NOT have lost to Rocky during his prime and damn near 12 year reign.
Facts like archie moore was surviving this fight cause of his experience. In all honesty, if he was 20 years younger this would for sure be a different fight and rocky would be trouble the entire time
@@nofilteralltruth Foreman was 45 when he won the title on his come back a good chunk of the current top 10 are pushing 40 and Moore was older when he gave Ali a good fight
By hell Archie took a bloody beating,total respect for him.....As for the undisputed heavy weight champion of the world.....RIP Rocky Marciano you truly are an inspiration for the boxing fraternity......
Video footage proves Rocky Marciano was a cheat. He felt the need to cheat his way to victory. ua-cam.com/video/d85PqloBq68/v-deo.html
It's a shame that the great Archie Moore is known mostly for his loses to Marciano and Ali. However, even in his defeat his ring brilliance is undeniable. MMA and boxers should spend hours studying his every move. It takes me 30 minutes to watch one full round.
damn right, but one reason I call him my favorite fighter, is that he did move up to fight Patterson, Clay, and the Rock.he was a gladiator, and it rubbed off on George Foreman, who had Archie quietly in his corner. George ended up winning a second world title (the linear title)20 yrs. after losing it.
UA-camr Archie was was tuff even as he got older he just stayed clean and wanted no part of under world stuff and I do think he was denied a lot in younger years cause you know he wouldn't cooperate I do think he should of been champ for a while. politics coming from a Canadian Italian wow. I'm a Tyson fan
UA-camr Archie was was tiff man
cldnt have said it better. same. is there a better app for watchin yt vids in slowmo? i use mxplayer which is pretty decent. just curious if u found better one
After Moore retired, both Ali and Foreman (among many others) approached the Old Mongoose to train them. Those who beat him still had great respect for him, including Marciano here.
Some of the most brutal pressure fighting I've ever seen at heavyweight
Man have heavyweights gotten bigger. These guys are both 188lbs... crazy
and Archie went up for this fight
Rocky just wore him down with that constant pressure
yes ur right and as far as the bigger guys...these days they r soft compared to these guys..15 rounds and they always knocked out the guys above200 pounds cuz they were not in shape enough
@@jerometruitt1452 I like them both archie wanted MARCIANO badly putting up posters...archie is a tuff sob 👍but while campaigning for this fight he did make a remark about MARCIANOs wife ...I guess he wanted MARCIANO BADLY he got HIS wish
The last round ended in 79 seconds of the round . Rocky threw 72 punches in that round almost 1 a second . Unbelievable. If you are tired you can’t stand up to that onslaught for long . Archie a great fighter non the less
44 Marciano opponents: We see their entire "CAREER" record, not a partial record. Seeing a boxers complete resume gives a more accurate evaluation how good, or how bad they are. Professional boxers can easily be evaluated using US school grades A, B, C, D, and F.
Lee Epperson - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs (F-level)
Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs (F-level)
Gilbert Cardone - 0 wins 3 losses with 0% KOs (F-level)
John Edwards - 1 win 2 loss with 33% KOs (F-level)
Bill Hardeman - 1 win 6 losses with 0% KOs (F-level)
Humphrey Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KOs (F-level)
Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs (F-level)
James Connolly - 12 wins 9 losses with 33% KOs (F-level)
Harry Bilazarian - 15 wins 12 losses with 35% KOs (F-level)
Bob Jefferson - 3 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs (F-level)
Harold Mitchell 4 wins 17 losses with 4% KOs (F-level)
Gilley Ferron - 4 wins 13 losses with 17% KOs (F-level)
Artie Donato - 7 wins 13 losses with 10% KOs (F-level)
Johnny Pretzie - 10 wins 13 losses with 33% KOs (F-level)
Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs (F-level)
Pete Louthis - 32 wins 14 losses with 35% KOs (D-level)
Tommy DiGiorgio - 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KOs (F-level)
Kenne Simmons - 9 wins 22 losses with 12% KOs (F-level)
Art Henri -18 wins 29 losses with 18% KOs (F-level)
Jimmy Walls - 20 wins 41 losses with 7% KOs (F-level)
Ted Lowry - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs F-level)
Ted Lowry (twice) - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs F-level)
Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs (F-level)
Gino Buonvino (twice) - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs (F-level)
Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs (F-level)
Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs (F-level)
Willis Applegate -12 wins 16 losses with 13% KOs (F-level)
Lee Savold - 104 wins 45 losses with 50% KOs (D-level)
Phil Muscato - 56 wins 23 losses with 25% KOs (D-level)
Bill Wilson - 56 wins 27 losses with 51% KOs (D-level)
Johnny Shkor - 31 wins 19 losses with 42% KOs (F-level)
Fred Beshore - 35 wins 17 losses with 24% KOs (D-level)
Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs looks okay until you see he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.
Eddie Ross - 19 wins 5 losses with 72% KOs looks okay until you see he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.
Bob Quinn - 20 wins 4 losses with 58% KOs looks okay until you see he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.
Bernie Reynolds - 53 wins 13 losses with 49% KOs looks okay until you see he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.
Pat Richards - 24 wins 9 losses with 39% KOs looks okay until you see who he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.
Carmine Vingo - 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KOs looks good until you see ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.
Don Cockell - 66 wins 14 losses with 46% KOs looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.
Harry Matthews - 90 wins 7 losses with 58% KOs is a good B-level resume. Problem is he was a natural middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight. Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. Shouldn't one have to beat credible Heavyweight opponents to be respected as a legitimate Heavyweight champion?
Even Marciano's best 3 opponents Walcott-Charles-Moore lost (68) times and were KO'd (20) times. Marciano never faced an elite fighter in his prime. Name one, just one prime elite fighter Marciano beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Walcott Charles Moore were in their prime when they fought Marciano?
*In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results- the real stumblebums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time fights, the less-talented fighter often gets the bulk of the cash; he is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably--The Ring Magazine
IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0.. WAY TOO MANY HOMELESS WALK-IN D AND F-LEVEL BOXERS TAKIN-DIVES AND PADDIN RECORDS FOR EASY $$$.. OR BEING FORCED TO BY THE SICILIAN UNDERWORLD THAT CONTROLLED EVERY SINGLE FACET OF BOXING DURING THE 50s!!! EVEN LITTLE ROCKY HAD SICILIAN MAFIA BOSS CARBO IN HIS BACK POCKET PROTECTING HIM BECAUSE THEY WERE MAKING MILLIONS THROUGH HIM.. THE DAY AFTER HE RETIRED HE IMMEDIATELY ABANDONED HIS KIDS AND WIFE TO CONNECT WITH HIS UNDERWORLD FRIENDS WHO HELPED HIM START HIS LOANSHARKING BUSINESS.. CRY AND SCREAM ALL YA WANT BECAUSE IT CANNOT EVER SWEEP IT UNDER THE CARPET!!! IT WAS REAL AND VERY WELL DOCUMENTED SO STOP LIVING IN DENIAL
Rex Layne - 50 wins 17 losses with an abysmal 48% KOs (C-level). Keep in mind that C-level is an average fighter that's still capable of winning a title. Layne scores an extremely low 15 points for his top 10 ranked appearances throughout his career. Who did he beat? His best win was against Walcott, but everybody beat Jersey Joe so no biggie.
Jersey Joe Walcott - 49 wins 20 losses with an abysmal 44% KOs (C-level). Walcott scores 55 points for his top 10 positions. Walcott fought for the title 6 times and lost 5 times. He's more famous for his losses than his wins. Ali scored 164 points. Louis scored 138. Wladimir 136. Lennox 111. Holyfield 109. Holmes 88. Foreman 86. Frazier 84. Tyson 77 and little Marciano only scored 48 points. Ali is the only Heavyweight with an A+ level. Marciano is B-level for his weak competition. *I'll ad a comment below explaining Walcott's C-level resume in detail.
Archie Moore - 186 wins 23 losses with a low-power 60% KOs (A-level at Light heavyweight and C-level at Heavyweight). Moore accumulated 156 points at Light heavyweight and only 21 at Heavyweight. Moore misses his A+ level at Light heavyweight because 23 losses is way too many. Ali only had 5. Louis only had 3. Lennox only had 2. Wladimir only had 5. Liston only had 4. Vitali only had 2. Bowe only had 1 etcetera. BUT BUT Moore had 220 Fights!!! Well little Rocky only had 49 so stop whining.
Ezzard Charles - 95 wins 25 losses with the lowest ever 42% KOs. (B-level at Light heavyweight and B-level at Heavyweight). Charles only compiled 24 points at Light heavyweight and 59 points at Heavyweight. Too many losses. Fight 4 fights lose 1 fight, fight 4 lose 1, fight 4 lose 1, fight 4 lose 1, fight 4 lose 1. Y'all act as if 25 losses are Meaningless. If Fury has 1 loss he'll be thrown under the bus for eternity. But it's perfectly okay to sweep Charles's twenty five losses under the carpet because he fought my little hero so it's all good. Charles is considered the greatest light heavyweight of all time, correct? How is that possible with only 24 points? Well because he beat Moore 3 times. It's a tricky situation because Charles got caught in the middle between Light heavyweight and Heavyweight. He only weighed 181-lbs when he won his "vacant-paper" Heavyweight title. Without doubt the weakest "Heavyweight" era of All-Time.
MARCIANO WAS EXTREMELY LUCKY
RIGHT TIME, RIGHT PLACE, THEN QUITS EARLY
Cool. Hop in the ring with him, then. I'm sure you'd handle him no problem.
Consider that in the Dec. 1962 Ring magazine poll of 40 boxing experts it was Jack Dempsey that was rated the # 1 Heavyweight of all time with Joe Louis 2nd, Jack Johnson 3rd and Marciano finishing a distant 7th, way behind Dempsey. If he was considered 7th in 1962 how does he propel to the top 5, when since then we have had Muhammad Ali who faced much tougher competition, the big power hitting George Foreman, Larry Holmes who made 20 title defenses, the bigger, faster and more powerful Mike Tyson, and the giant Lennox Lewis who at 6’5” 245 pounds would enjoy a 60 pound weight advantage over Marciano? This is a key point. Boxing historians Herb Goldman and Charley Rose rated Marciano at # 8, "Mr. Boxing, himself," Nat Fleischer rated him at # 10 and John McCallum's Survey of Old Timers (survey of a group of historians and writers) had him at # 9. No major historian who saw Maricano in their lifetime thought he was a top 7 all time Heavyweight and 68 years have passed since Rocky retired.
*SO HOW EXACTLY DOES A LITTLE 184 POUND CRUISERWEIGHT WITH DWARFISM ARMS POSSIBLY GO FROM 7TH 8TH 9TH & 10th PLACE DURING THE 60s AND EARLY 70s TO TOP THREE (3) IN 2023???*
*Bcus his ranking is now determined by modern computer metric algorithms. Problem is this man-made program was coded to exclude "WEIGHT" from the equation.* That's why little 165lb Heavyweight champion Bob Fitzsimmons from the 1800s is ranked ahead of 240lb Riddick Bowe who only lost "one" time. How's it possible 185lb Marciano ranks higher than Foreman, Holmes, Tyson, Holyfield, Lewis, Vitali, Bowe, Wladimir, Fury etcetera??? *Well now we all know why!!!*
Somehow ranking bodies manage to *exclude WEIGHT from their metric* even though they *ACKNOWLEDGE SEVENTEEN (17) DIFFERENT "WEIGHT" CLASSES,,* imagine that.
The computer only sees what it's programmed to see. Algorithms only see Marciano fought 4 Hall of Famers and went 49-0, it doesn't see Charles had ALS and 41yr old Moore was a light heavyweight moonlighting at Heavyweight. The algorithms can not see 37yr old Louis was forced to come out of retirement and 39yr old Walcott was a Journeyman that was given 6 attempts at the title bcus the division was so weak. *THAT'S WHY RANKINGS SHOULD ALWAYS BE LOOKED UPON WITH A GRAIN OF SALT!*
@@Bronco_Billy_Jack_Hills you’re like a robot 😂 but I agree completely with how overrated rocky was if he had fought floyd Patterson it would’ve exposed him big time cause even if he did win he would’ve had a lot of trouble with a guy who Liston KOd in 1 round twice
Moore was amazing. Despite the tons of punishment he took in the ring over nearly 30 years he was as sharp and articulate as a professor even in his 80's.
Yes, I saw an interview with him and Howard Cosell in the . . 70s? Amazingly, he had all his marbles, and smart and witty. Boy that sure isn't the case for a lot of fighters.
What an effort by Moore! Crafty and brave, I never saw a man take a beating the way he did in the 6th and comeback and win the next round.
Great fighter to watch.
When you talk about great fights this is one of the best.
Take it back say 5years 7 are eight and Rocky would get his butt kicked.
@@barrykime5580 bro shut up
@@barrykime5580 pas excuse il a perdue
Marciano was an amazing man. The way he stood in there and slugged it out, he was one hell of a man.
Yes! WHITE boxers actually FOUGHT instead of DANCED!
They are both true greats....
But Ali took boxing to a new level.
I like how the announcer is respectful of both fighters....
In 1955 it was probably still a little more dicey that way.
(Tho no mention of Rocky's Round 6 punch after the bell...maybe since he owed Archie one, they didn't call it!)
Helluva Fight.
@@mr.blackhawk142 Enough of the racial jabs, which is stupid.
@@mr.blackhawk142White 😂
BTW WILLIE PEP WAS WHITE & HE ACTUALLY RAN DURING FIGHTS 😂
These guys would like a word…
They fought toe to toe
No dancing here 🤡
Joe Louis(prime )
Mike Tyson
Foreman
Ron Lyles
KennNorton
Joe Frazier
Larry Holmes
Sonny Liston
Lennox Lewis
Evander Holyfield
AND ALL WOULD KILL ROCKY 😂
@@mr.blackhawk142Yes, we can see socioeconomic history by watching sports across eras . .
Archie fought more than 250 profesdional fights, trained in so many corners, involved in so many title fights, he is incomparable.
Marciano was reported as spending up to eight hours a day before a fight on his stomach muscles. He could take any punch to the body easily.
This allowed him to keep coming forward and punching without fear. He wore everybody down with his strength.
how is it 8 hours on the stomach muscles? doing what?
Do you even know how boxers train because what you just said is completely ignorant . You clearly don't know squat about training..... I suppose he also ran 30 miles a day when training for a fight ? Another gross exaggeration from one of your ignorant Rocky fans.... geezuz
@@author7027 probably planking
Don't take my word for this, but I seem to recall reading about 25 years ago that Mike Tyson regularly did 3000 (3 zeroes) sit ups a day (don't know how many days a week). If true, that would explain a lot of the power he had. After all, he wasn't the biggest heavyweight of his era.
@@RobertDavis-qh1ry he said that when they asked him about his back
Marciano's stamina was incredible. He must have thrown 100 punches in the last minute of round 6 alone without any sign of fatigue.
Marciano is the most overrated heavyweight champion ever
@@jacksonjames7177 cope
@@jacksonjames7177 cry
@@jacksonjames7177 no ali was, liston fights were fixed
@@jacksonjames7177 Not if you could have asked Ali, or some of the other greats.
Rocky threw 113 punches in round 4. He had crazy conditioning damn.
Never seen a fighter as conditioned til this day facts!!!
Consider that in the Dec. 1962 Ring magazine poll of 40 boxing experts it was Jack Dempsey that was rated the # 1 Heavyweight of all time with Joe Louis 2nd, Jack Johnson 3rd and Marciano finishing a distant 7th, way behind Dempsey. If he was considered 7th in 1962 how does he propel to the top 5, when since then we have had Muhammad Ali who faced much tougher competition, the big power hitting George Foreman, Larry Holmes who made 20 title defenses, the bigger, faster and more powerful Mike Tyson, and the giant Lennox Lewis who at 6’5” 245 pounds would enjoy a 60 pound weight advantage over Marciano? This is a key point. Boxing historians Herb Goldman and Charley Rose rated Marciano at # 8, "Mr. Boxing, himself," Nat Fleischer rated him at # 10 and John McCallum's Survey of Old Timers (survey of a group of historians and writers) had him at # 9. No major historian who saw Maricano in their lifetime thought he was a top 7 all time Heavyweight and 68 years have passed since Rocky retired.
*SO HOW EXACTLY DOES A LITTLE 184 POUND CRUISERWEIGHT WITH DWARFISM ARMS POSSIBLY GO FROM 7TH 8TH 9TH & 10th PLACE DURING THE 60s AND EARLY 70s TO TOP THREE (3) IN 2023???*
*Bcus his ranking is now determined by modern computer metric algorithms. Problem is this man-made program was coded to exclude "WEIGHT" from the equation.* That's why little 165lb Heavyweight champion Bob Fitzsimmons from the 1800s is ranked ahead of 240lb Riddick Bowe who only lost "one" time. How's it possible 185lb Marciano ranks higher than Foreman, Holmes, Tyson, Holyfield, Lewis, Vitali, Bowe, Wladimir, Fury etcetera??? *Well now we all know why!!!*
Somehow ranking bodies manage to *exclude WEIGHT from their metric* even though they *ACKNOWLEDGE SEVENTEEN (17) DIFFERENT "WEIGHT" CLASSES,,* imagine that.
The computer only sees what it's programmed to see. Algorithms only see Marciano fought 4 Hall of Famers and went 49-0, it doesn't see Charles had ALS and 41yr old Moore was a light heavyweight moonlighting at Heavyweight. The algorithms cannot see 37yr old Louis was forced to come out of retirement and 39yr old Journeyman Walcott was given 6 attempts at the title bcus the division was so weak. *THAT'S WHY RANKINGS SHOULD ALWAYS BE LOOKED UPON WITH A GRAIN OF SALT!*
@@Bronco_Billy_Jack_HillsYeah, for sure Marciano at that weight would not have to fight those guys . . Either that, or he would be bigger too. I really believe it is meaningless to compare athletes across eras. One should compare the eras instead.
@@Bronco_Billy_Jack_Hills49 fights and 49 wins might have something to do with it
@@johntate5722 49-0 has absolutely nothing to do with anything. It only has to do with skin tone. Period.
Archie Moore & Jersey Joe were great fighters. What a treat to watch these vids.
Moore was 38 according to him, 40 according to his Mother,Walcott was 38,old men for the fight game.
Inan Raeder yes, that’s what I don’t like about Marciano and Tyson ,they beat old legends.
well they had one thing in common they both got koed by rocky, maybe that's there
bond
@@DHEMGHJS Moore and Walcott were old but they were like Bhop for their age, they were dominating top fighters even at their age. Archie Moore knocked out prime ATG Harold Johnson, battered prime heavyweight standouts Nino Valdes and Bob Baker same year he fought Marciano. Held the undisputed 175 title and top 10 ranking at heavyweight for years after this fight
@@JeffPenaify Valdes was the end of year number 1 contender in1953 & 1954
I loved his sportsmanship, and the fact that although he fought with such ferocity, he always seemed to be the first guy there to help his opponent get off the canvas. He was a Champ with great respect and dignity !
Bob C Rocky retired with advice of his idol Joe Louis .His style his stature had to eventually wore him out. Prime eg. 1974 should have been Ali last fight. 1955 and we are still talking about him. Some folks might not like it but have learn to live with it . Rocco is greatest FIGHTER of all time.
+Bob C Exactly right. Rocky was a champion in and out of the ring. Although Ali had a champion's heart, he made it acceptable for a star athlete to be a jerk, and that will always tarnish his legacy and indeed all of American society.
Marciano was one of the dirtiest fighters to hold the heavyweight title.He hit after the bell, butted, hit low ,and twice when men were on the floor, watch his fights for F*cks Sake!
Inan Raeder well I disagree I don't see him head butting you know how many fighters have hit aponents after the bell as you claim Marciano did .I think it's something else that's making you uneasy about Marciano
Marciano was a dirty fighter that is a fact.He hit Moore after the bell and butted him.He hit Lastarza low,and butted him, and lost points for it.He hit C*ckell low, after the bell and while he was on the floor he also butted him.What do you think would make me uneasy about Rocky? I bought these fights 45 years ago and have seen them hundreds of times I know what I'm talking about.
Archie Moore said that Marciano was the strongest man he ever fought and remember he twice fought 6'3" 215 pound heavyweight Nino Valdez.
I was just a little kid in the 50's when these great fights took place and I remember the excitement on friday night when I would watch the fights with my dad. It is a shame boxing is no more.
Rocky's cardio was just on another level. Kept the same unrelenting pace throughout the fight and just waited for the other guy to give in. Put any fighter from any era in there with the Rock and you'll get exactly the same result and the reason is simple. You can't beat a man who doesn't know how to lose.
even tysons former trainer said that Rocky would be the hardest fight for Tyson because of his power, stamina and toughness
Dis they have drug tests back then??
@@martindupuy3907Rocky was addicted to training.
@@martindupuy3907 They had no PED's back then
Video footage proves Rocky Marciano was a cheat. He felt the need to cheat his way to victory. ua-cam.com/video/d85PqloBq68/v-deo.html
What a tough guy that Archie Moore was. What great fight.
The respect Rocky Marciano had for Archie Moore and vice versa is legendary class acts
A better time for boxing! Two gladiators giving their all! Respect after the battle is over!🥊🥊👌😉
Yea you know what’s going on
Archie Moore held animosity towards Marciano but, on the other side of the coin, Marciano never put down another boxer in public.
Video footage proves Rocky Marciano was a cheat. He felt the need to cheat his way to victory. ua-cam.com/video/d85PqloBq68/v-deo.html
Archie had 219 professional Fights! That's insane.
186 wins 23 losses.
You could tell when Rocky laid it on him relentlessly and he is sitting up on the mat with the a look of astonishment.
He had never fought a guy like Rock nor would ever again
"Why the hell isn't this guy tiring?"
It didn't help that Moore was the light heavyweight champ moving up in weight, nor did it help that Moore was either 41 to 45 years of age at the time. How would it have turned out if Moore was 32 and Marciano was 41 and moving up in weight to fight the bigger man?
@@davidgifford169 he was 39
And actually went 37-3 after this loss.
So to down play Rocky's victory is silly
@@davidgifford169 Also Archie Moore is the number 2 pound for pound of all time on boxrec.
Ezzard Charles is number 1.
Both lost to Rocky
@@LordDirus007 He got knocked cold in 5 rounds by Floyd Patterson a year after this fight. To upplay Rocky's victory is silly.
Archie didnt age, this was one of Marcianos hardest fights. I respect him for that
Oh, he aged, alright. Had he been 31 instead of 41 and a natural heavyweight instead of moving up in weight we'd have seen an amazing fight. He put up a great fight for a 41 year old light heavyweight.
@@davidgifford169 in this fight, Archie was fighting someone similar to a LHeavy. on paper, the Rock from Brockton was one of the lightest to reach HW. like Jack Dempsey, he never fought over or near 200lbs. another guy w/ legendary power.
@Kenneth Takacs Jr You don't know how old Moore was, so save your corrections. He was either 39 or 42, no one knows. But what we DO know is that Floyd Patterson knocked him cold in 5 a year after Marciano wore him down. Ali should have been so lucky to have the parade of challengers that Marciano enjoyed. Louis, too. Dempsey. Johnson. Anyone who ever was named heavyweight champ would have feasted on the guys Marciano did, but none of them quit while they were young like Rocky did to preserve that 0.
@@davidgifford169 Archie Moore was the number 1 heavyweight contender and has a fantastic heavyweight resume, the only guys to stop him at heavyweight were Ali, Patterson and Rocky. Archie Moore in his late 30s was still a ATG at 175 and wrecking elite prime heavyweight and 175ers
@Kenneth Takacs Jr Yes one of the greatest ever was Archie, but he actually fought 42 more times after Rocky , for an incredible 8 more years in fact....A great great fighter....
Two of the greatest knockout artists ever. Fighting at the same weight of 188lbs. Just an epic style matchup from two guys who really knew how to punch
I've never seen a boxer take such a beating. I'm just as amazed at how Moore took so many killer punches as of how Marciano was able to deliver them. Moore had the gift, or instinct of how to shift and bob his head only inches to either avoid a punch or reduce the impact of a punch. Very elusive. This match was the closest thing to humanly impossible at two extremes, punching and being punched that I've seen.
Yes, it's incredible how many punches Rocky MISSED. If he had connected more, it would've been shorter. He actually punched himself out at least once, but Moore no longer had any power in his own punches from roughly round 4 on.
The fight should have been stopped at end of round 8. 🎉 ❤
I read some replies how Archie gassed out from age in this fight. I disagree, despite him being 38. He defeated Nino Valdes four months before the Marciano fight in 1955 and went full speed to the end, actually won the last two rounds. He slowed down here from the devastating body shots and head blows from Marciano. Despite his incredible longevity in the ring, Archie was still human.
I got tired watching this guy pressure him.
I once read that when Marciano got knocked down that the referee forgot about the eight count being waived for this fight. The referee supposedly got to the count of six before he realized his mistake, and given the level of physical condition that Marciano was in, this six seconds was more than enough recovery time. I’ve always wondered what might have happened if Moore had not been made to wait. It’s telling that Marciano never fought again, despite being in his very early thirties.
@@davidbrandel1311 He only got knocked down on one knee and Moore's complaint was reviewed a million times by the boxing commission and dismissed. I don't see it either. Archie is the one who had no chin after this beating. He only fought four light heavyweights after this bout in the next five years, none of them were number one contenders, so the NBA yanked Archie's LH title in 1960. The general opinion then was there was no one left for Marciano to fight. He beat all of the top HW contenders and the LH champion. His wife and mother were pressuring him to quit and his manager had screwed him to death. Moore was the fighter permanently diminished, not Marciano. Archie fought for eight more years against light heavyweights barely in the top ten and heavyweights with 20 and 0 records against nobodies or 50 percent winning records and two pro wrestlers who only boxed once in their life-against Archie. I admire Archie's passion for the sport. If he hadn't fought Marciano I think he would have had a lot more wins against bigger name fighters, but that would apply to Joe Louis, Jersey Joe, Lee Savold, LaStarza and other fighters who were never the same after the Marciano bouts.
Just sour grapes from moore
@@williamanderson6006 Archie was always a charmer and deservedly respected as the warrior he was but he had tons of excuses for his losses. In the 1980s he told Roy Firestone on the show called 'Sportslook' that he was fifteen years older than Rocky Marciano. He was actually only seven years older.
Moore was an AWESOME athlete. Old but still better than Marciano here in some ways. If you don't know this you don't know anything about boxing history. But Marciano would die before giving up the possibility to win a match. Marciano is an example of strong determination. The WILL that go beyond the technique and the body structure. You can't beat a man who don't know what surrendering is.
+xritaly - old my ass! Same age as W Klitschko. Anyways, Archie was a better technician but the same archie at 10 years younger would have been beaten by Marciano in the same fashion...maybe 3 rounds or so further in but the end result would be the same. Marciano was too relentless, too durable. Remember that Moore had been beaten multiple time throughout his career and by subpar opponents too. It is what it is.
+xritaly YOU ARE RIGHT!!!! WONDERFULL DESCRIPTION OF ROCKY FIGHITIN' STYLE!
+Ajeje666 year grand pa. killer
and yet he lost to Marciano twice ...hmmm? in what ways was he better ? Rocky is fighting with multiple herniated disc if you dont know this you dont know anything about boxing history
5 years at the most as Rocky may have been older than he let on and Moore was younger by three years than he told people.
End of round 6 Archie Moore shows an amazing will to stay on his feet he was in deep water what a great fight
Такие бои и записи, должны реставрировать и показывать в идеальном качестве,во всех боксерских секциях!!!!
Archie Moore has been underrated, he jabbed like Ali and Brawled like Foreman, sometimes displaying explosive hooks like Tyson. More HD highlighted for Archie Moore!
He was foremans trainer
I'm a 3RD GENARATION CANADIAN ITALIAN AND no doubt ARCHIE MOORE TUFF SOB...BUT I DO THINK POLITICS PLAYED A PART IN HIS CAREER FOR THE WOTSE...HE IS TRULY A MACHINE TO KEEP GOING FOR THST THAT LONG.....RIP
Good observation man!! I saw the exact same thing in his movements
I really don't understand why people constantly try to tear down these great fighters by saying he couldn't have beat this or that guy- the facts are Marciano was a great fighter and he beat many other great fighters. I know I would hate to fight anyone with a punch half as powerful as he had. When the commentator said many of the punches weren't landing squarely I found it was the ones that just crazed my head and ribs that hurt the worst. This would have been one fight I would have gladly paid to see- thanks for posting it!
Happy huWhite Man you are rite maybe the 3rd reason his ethnicity
The great fighters he defeated were in their geriatric years. The rest were bums
@@miguelarouca4150 Archie Moore at 38 was still one of the greatest all time lol he's like Bhop with knockout power
@@JeffPenaify Moore was a blown up heavyweight. Marciano also fought many other fighters who had blown up to heavyweight such as Don Cockell.
@@SimplyThatGuy12 Moore was the number 1 contender at heavyweight and held a phenomenal resume at weight class. He would have been multi time heavyweight champion in modern multi belt eras.
The current undisputed heavyweight champion and greatest heavyweight of this generation is a blown up heavyweight.
This was a different era.... This is when men had to be hard. Nobody back then crying because the power is out and the PlayStation doesn't work. True fighters here. Hats off to both.
Very true , this was when boxing was boxing
Men often have to be hard. Git yo hand off yo fo head!
@@raul_138 00ml
I was born early 50.s my boyhood hero then and today was Archie Moore...i am fortunate to have a signed T shirt by him.. its so precious to me.. and i.ll be buried with it...i still say any boxer with a 100% record must go down in history as the true greatest....no question about it Rocky Marciano is surely the greatest heavweight ever....i love the way Rocky batteŕed Moore into submission thèn helped him to his feet amazing man that was the stamp of a true championwhen you get the job done you show respect to your opponent who made your greatness possible...
Archie Moore's tuff willing determined fighter great fight gentleman.
rocky was just unbelievable, unbelievable ...
The onslaught by rocky from 23 .25m mark is "breathtaking" never seen anybody be able to keep throwing bombs relentlessly it's incredible!!! And even the exchange cos moore comes firing back but to no avail its like the rock was just possessed ✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾
Yes, that may have been his greatest asset, his conditioning. It was frightening watching that relentless assault. He wrote/said something about being in shape, and I'm only a fan but from watching many, many fights across all eras, conditioning is one of the most important parameters in a big fight. Most great champions who came later--Roy Jones, Tommy Hearns, Marvin Hagler, Floyd, Manny . . OK, probably not Duran so much, but . . took their conditioning seriously.
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Two of the greatest heavyweights ever.
You mean greatest heavyweight and greatest light heavyweight
Those two fighters will always be the greatest legends of all time. There will be no longer created another boxer just like Marciano and Moore.
Marciano had 3 great punches. Left hook,right uppercut, and that overhand right
and an indomitable and relentless attacking style. He was murder.
Nope,left hook then right straight
Over rated.... I think that he was fortunate to fight in the era that he did... after the peak of Joe Louis ezzard Charles and Joe Walcott and before Cleveland Williams sonny Liston and Muhammad Ali....
@Scott Williams I am not crazy at all.... I have never rated Marciano....he was fortunate to have fought in the era of boxing that he did...
@Scott Williams Joe Louis was past his peak Joe Walcott was past his peak and ezzard Charles was past his peak... Marciano was fighting men who were past their best and never very good in the first place like Don cockell and lee Omaha and Roland la starza... and avoiding the danger men like nino valdes... and the other top ten ranking fighters.... people seem to overlook that although he was forty nine and zero.... only six were title fights... four were rematches against Walcott and Charles and the other two were don cockell and Archie Moore.... who was already in his middle thirties by the time he fought against Marciano..... I think that Marciano was probably too strong for the young Floyd Patterson.... but I don't think that he would have been able to get past Cleveland Williams and sonny Liston would have destroyed him... Muhammad Ali would have danced around him and easily picked him off at distance and Joe Frazier would have broken him down.... I think that he was a wildly over rated champion.... crude easy to hit and protected....who was fortunate to fight at the time that he did....
Incredible what Archie Moore endured here. Impressive individual
Yes, and all the way to the end of his life, he still had all his marbles. Sadly, that ain't so for too many fighters . . .
One powerful characteristic that I love about Rocky is his hulking pressure.He just kept on punching.Just goes to show,if you train hard and focus the way he did tremendous results are inevitable.I heard he was a maniac when it came down to training.
No one on earth traibed like rocky
could u imagine poor ole rocky against the likes of lennox lewis
Yes. It’s basically like khabib. They train so much harder than everybody and the result is they’re so much better than everybody. Work = results
@@tgh223 well obviously. But rocky is better p4p. He’d be a cruiser weight or a light heavyweight today
@@tgh223 Lennox would get knocked out
I’m surprised no one notices what happens at 27:44 - Rocky slips a left jab by Archie Moore, and then feints with a right (exposing Archie Moore’s right side) then Marciano lands a crushing left hook and then a sledge hammer right. All of this happens within 5 seconds - Marcianos speed is amazing.
Take a look at the KO in the 2nd Walcott fight. Incredible handspeed. You have to watch it frame by frame to see how it was done.
Marciano is the GOAT. He reallly was.
@@albanyorganics3030 you have to really watch how that old guy took his last pay check ha ha ha ha ha
@@albanyorganics3030 lunatic
Rocky Marchiano is the greatest boxer who had ever lived. He is truly the god of boxing with the record of 49-0 with 43 knockouts nobody can beat that.
thats a dam lie old archie more beat him the ref cheated look at the fight and see the truth.
Ali, Louis, for me, do. But this guy is crazy bad, and definitely in the top few, on one hand.
Hi SOSS. I am in the process of watching some of Rocky's fights again (I had VCR tapes of 70-90 OLD fights in the 90's, a number of Rocky's), having gone through MOST of Ali's recently, and need to watch more, for sure.
But I will tell you ROUGHLY, I put him EITHER in the mid range of the top ten or possibly, at worst, just outside it, taking into account a lot of experts and the fact I haven't seen MOST of his fights yet, i.e. I might potentially be swayed to lower things SOME. I also will allow, once I have revisited (READ MORE, too) guys like Dempsey or Jack Johnson, Tunney...he could go a wee higher than I have him. Many factors, and I don't like to go off half cocked or get ahead of myself, trying to EXACTLY place him.
I have Ali then Louis, think their careers largely parallel one another, oddly, and with polarities. If Ali goes on without Exile, I honestly would hate all the Joe Frazier drama lost, but don't think he loses pre-exile, nor to Norton. In any event, no need for three fights with them both. He might well have gone almost EXACTLY the same, record wise, as Louis, either without a loss or with one POSSIBLY to Norton, maybe owing to that baffling for him style, same as Joe had ONE loss before retiring, and like Joe, I think 11 or under 12 years reign is very possible. Of course Louis has more KOs, but Ali would have more, too, without exile, likely a bakers dozen more fights without question give or take one or two, but then Louis lost about the same time or more as Ali, to WWII. The parallels.
I just know Louis is WONDERFUL, power in both mitts, SCIENTIFIC, never wasted a punch, all of that. But he had problems with speed fighters, Conn being one of them, all of what looks like a buck seventy eight in pounds, have to check on that (smile). So that is why I think Ali. But I think any discussion for ATG has to include those two, first and foremost.
PEACE (and I know I am but a drop of water in an ocean of humanity, but most experts, they have it Louis or Ali, Ali or Louis.).
If they fought THREE TIMES, nobody goes 3-0, don't think. So I again, put myself on Mr. Versatility. Joe was UNBLEMISHED in rematches, something like 14-0 I read, or with guys who gave him trouble of any kind. Once he saw you, he could analyze you, find your weak link (not as much film in those days). But the speed thing, along with a superior chin, I believe, if he could weather Joe, I think he'd clutch, survive. Then he'd stay just outside, mostly (would not NEED to dance all night, vs. Joe)...but hopefully we all get to find out in the afterlife!
P.S. While I do think Ali wins on cuts or decision, I DO NOT think it is any easy fight by any strecch, for Ali. He leaves ALL foolishness and showboating aside, or else. Dimensions are Marciano's undoing, mostly. Then again, at 6'3 and 212, Marciano would lose that compact, power swinging, but he'd be fearsome as hell nonetheless, and he was already that, at 5'10 and a quarter, 185. The stamina thing was incredible, but a young, 1960s Ali is the only other cat I see matching that, while mostly avoiding all he could, winning on cuts or points, i.e. TKO or decision. Not to say Rocky COULDN't surprise , cause he had dynamite, for sure!
Very nice SOSS. I agree, one ought to look at it from a few different angles. Most likely DO strictly look at a head to head, but whereas Lennox Lewis likely gives Rocky a ton of trouble (not convinced he wins flat out, or even wins, with HIS chin, and Rocky's stamina, but 6'5, 230 or whatever, etc spells trouble for Rock, style-wise), in no way would I consider HIM ranked all time ahead of Rock.
So yeah, other considerations. Length of reign, strength of opposition, did they duck or avoid anybody (I think even Joe only fought TWO black fighters, but you please correct me if that is a wrong memory on my part)...but ALSO, one needs to weigh or discount even that, a tad, as after Jack Johnson rubbing his self in white America's face (took guts), the old timers will tell us, America and more specifically the managers didn't want their white fighters (or possibly even black Joe Louis, who seemed a good soldier, all around) to fight black fighters, up until around the late 40's, early fiftties.
An inexact science, to be sure, this whole speculative and unprovable WHO is the All Time Best game that is fun to play. But I think guys like yourself, Rich G, myself, and anybody who truly APPRECIATES the history of it, does try to consider as many angles as are fair and right. And of course, the guys before film, you make great points on (or before MUCH film on them).
Me, since I grew up on and love Ali (got to admit ones one unconscious as well as overt bias), I tend to debate some of the lovers of sluggers, "Tyson would kill Ali", or "49-0, 43 KOs, there IS NO DEBATE" type of posts.
I ALSO, FWIW, tend to discount to a degree great fighters' LATE in career, i.e. OLD or OUT OF RETIREMENT fights, and not just because Ali lost to Holmes and Berbick at 38 and beyond. Joe Louis at 37 and a half LOOKED studly, even 10 pounds heavier but well muscled vs. Marciano, who was 27, but that might as well have been undigested red meat in his colon like we all supposedly have, as he was pretty well done as a fighter, paying back the IRS, and post KO, he fought only exhibitions. I do not KNOW, but am guessing he was likely just fighting for dough then, so no offense to Marciano or his fans (and I am one), but as far as rating Joe Louis, and considering his overall record, I think the better measure of the man is his record (with just that one loss to Schmeling) up to his retirement. I say this, because, as well, you will hear the ignorant say things like a guy had too many losses, for them, and forget maybe the guy had over a hundred wins, or that he fought MANY MORE TIMES A YEAR than some modern fighter they prefer. Saddler, he fought I think 22 and 24 times in a year one or two years! Ali, as a HEAVY, 8 times, 6 times, etc. Fighting and fighting again three weeks later, folks need to respect what these guys did, risked, and likely HAD to, owing to power structure, and low pay, etc.
Of course, we all have bias, some like the boxers, some the sluggers. I see Joe Louis as a perfect blend of both of those things, which is why he is often rated first, maybe slightly more as second, which of course, as with Dempsey, is something that likely has to do with folks dying off, as well, who love this game and like to rate them all.
Again, Joe reigned "under" 12 years, as the bankers like to say about the prices of stocks, meaning close to 12. And he lost about four to the war. Tough to argue with that, and of course, as Jack Johnson paved a way, so did Joe, and on to Ali, one for the other, Ali for the rest, as to MONEY exploding. Joe was all man, and a killer with scientific skill. But his particular weak link is Ali's ultimate strength, and we all know he had many himself, the most versatile fighter of the heavies, so that is saying considerable much. Speed, and the smarts to stay out of range, against a shuffling, methodical Louis, I KNOW it is maybe 6 of one, half a dozen of the other, but beyond my love and heart, if I had to bet the house of my loved ones lives to be freed from kidnappers, I would bet on Ali, because of this.
Joe, of course was young, but that KO by Schmeling weighs in, for me, as well. I discount the Marciano one, as far as taking his true measure, same as the TKO of Ali at about the same age, vs. for me about tail end top ten all time Holmes, of course younger. It could be said to be an anomaly, Joe being what, all of 22 or so? But Ali got caught a cpl left hooks himself, survived to KO his man. Splitting hairs, like I said, I don't think we get anything but a split, in three fights, if they could stand facing one another that many (basically only Frazier and Ali ever gave us all that brutality at the Heavies slot, three times).
But for me, beyond the head to head, as you say. Sure, he refused induction, but boxing leaped prematurely, and we lost years, same as Louis did. But the superior chin, I believe, belongs to Ali, as well.
And Ali fought them ALL, no question, period. Like it or not, politics, race, MONEY spent by mostly white fans, etc...Jack Johnson, Dempsey, Louis to a degree, Rocky even (sorry, Rich, as well, if reading), there are guys it seems to me they COULD have fought, but did not. MANY big, rated top ten at some point in their careers guys, 6'2 and 200 plus pounds, that Marciano was not matched with (I have a saved blog that a guy in and around the fight game for some decades compiled). Rich also informed me that the Vingo fight, put into a Coma by Rock, likely colored his mental killer instinct vs. LaStarza I, which MOST feel Marciano flatly should have lost on decision, not won. I can believe that, Ez Charles changed to a boxer more, after he killed a guy. But there is always the flip side of the coin.
Folks will say Liston was only 13-1 or 19-1 or whatever, he practically killed Vingo, so why would he fight green Liston? Or that Floyd Patterson's Cus D'Amato wanted to groom Floyd a spell, not knowing Rocky would retire after Moore. Believable, true. But then you hear folks telling you to read January of whatever 1956 Sports Illustrated, the trainer for one or both claiming vehemently that they got avoided, pure and simple...and remember, Floyd had yet to get KO'd (as he did some number of times) by Johansson, or Liston twice, so his chin was not really an issue exposed, but he WAS much faster, younger, and LIston WAS a 6 foot guy who projected himself about 6 foot ten, with a pole axe of a jab, and power. Watching Marciano his last few, and post fight, seeing his face, him getting felled twice by Walcott, Moore, as 38 and 41 year old guys, with a cpl light heavies he fought, and the like...lets just say there is SOME debate, there. I don't blame him for retiring, and I could totally believe Floyd could just flat be KO'd by Rock, but I DID read that once Floyd lost to Johansson, Rocky went back to the gym, for about a month, then realized he didn't have it in him to pay the price. But does that mean Floyd ducked him, as he did Liston for six years, or that Rock saw a slower, older fighter with just a big right in Ingmar, and cherry picked, though he decided not to, ultimately?
Hey, Marciano was ALL HEART, the parts that weren't Killer power and wolverine like stamina. NOT disparaging, but if Louis only fought two black fighters himself (he was VERY POPULAR, if he demanded it, he could have given more guys a chance, if he WANTED to, my guess), and Ali fought them ALL, even Shavers at 35, for Pete's sake, and so many greats (golden era, heavies) when past his prime in the 70's, I have to weigh that in his favor.
One last thing--again, boxing being such a dirty business, we all know that jewish and italian mobsters ran it for so long, the way it was--if you maybe didn't take a dive some fight, no title shot for you. Not the fighter's fault. But Marciano, of all fighters, can not be said to be immune to benefiting from his association with Mr Carbo, was it? In other words, a ref or judge, in the LaStarza, or maybe Lowry fight, I can see some help there, if you will. I mean, apocryphal story or true, i.e. the mobster yelling at Rock's dad about what he was cooking for him, Rock telling him never do that again, wasn't Carbo or whomever's son in the plane with Marciano the night he died?
NOT denigrating--his skills, prowess...just saying, even leaving mobsters out of things, just considering boxing commisions, corrupt as they be, MANY a Champion got the benefit of controversial calls, decisions. Ali, he may have gotten such help in the third Norton bout, one I admittedly have saved for among the last three or four to rewatch, to be honest. Ali was bigger than boxing then, it was close, and to also be honest, Norton had some hubris, thinking he had it in the bag or something, didn't do much of anything the last round. Correctly called as even then or not, up to the 14th as it was, NOT going hard enough likely at LEAST gave the powers that be reason to keep the money making machine rolling a little longer.
Far as Ali controvery goes, I know folks claim MANY of his fights were, but there really only is ONE (this third Norton bout) for real. I've rewatched Norton II, and the only controversial thing about that one to ME is why it wasn't UNANIMOUS, for ALI, though I had it 7-5, as Norton got arm weary late, and Ali made sure to come in at his dancing weight, 212, humbled by the first loss. Young had me worried for sure, against fattest ever Ali, as a kid, but a rewatch told me all I needed to know, those FOUR rounds, and multiple times within them, that he hid like a pansy, his head and body OUTSIDE the ropes, Ali even looking at the ref once, not doing anything, and leaning WAY out and over himself, beating on the chickenshit for doing so. WITHOUT all that, I had it scored a draw, or possibly a split decision for Young, true, but it was UNANIMOUS for ALI, which I'd forgot, which means he got penalized for those tactics, those rounds, no other way to explain it. Some say Shavers, but that was while a GOOD fight, in truth NOT hard to score, 9-6 I had it for Ali, and they showed the scoring between rounds, a gimmick, and Ernie saved his energy for late rounds, trying to show the world he was capable, and blew most of that in great 13th, 14th rounds for him, still winging in the 15th, Ali coming into that one tired, hurt, but ultimately nearly KOing Shavers in the last 20 seconds, the bell being Shaver's friend there, and Shavers later years admitting he thought at first he'd won, but saying, "I had some good rounds", but pacing was still a problem. And the Liston fights, people, PLEASE, he beat him like he was his Daddy, the first time, look at it, and Liston's face, made him quit, afraid of the KO that was COMING. The second, the punch DID land, Sonny was leaning forward, off balance, touches his gloves to the canvas, Ali over him, rolls away. NO, not enough to keep him down, and Sonny rolls over like a bad actor, so yeah, he either decided why bother, or was on the take (HE was a mob leg breaker, in the day, so believable), but either way, Ali looks PISSED, standing over him, like GET UP, SUCKER. The end result would have been no different, just a different round.
In fairness to the old fighters, having to bow to the mob here or there, or benefit from them...Ali was uniquely blessed NOT ONLY of spirit, but owing to his chosen religion and association with the Nation of Islam, had the MUSCLE, behind the scenes, to keep such influences at bay. They didn't want to pick a fight with the power structure, but were well armed, and could tell any mobsters, I am guessing, to fuck right off, or else, i.e. a war. So in Ali's time, things got as cleaned up as they ever would be, and let's face it , they had showed with likely having Malcom X killed that they could do the do.
THANKS, StudentofSweetScience, for bearing with my own longwinded debatings, same as Rich G and Dempsey and others, and thanks as well, for sharing your own well formed and considered opinions and considerable knowledge, TRULY. If we meet in heaven or the like, hopefully it is a place where dreams come true, and we can buy one another a beer and take our seats and watch some of these fantasies, and if The Brown Bomber or Brockton Blockbuster should prove me wrong, or Ali you or someone else, we can just marvel and congratulate, and say, "There's a rematch upcoming, see you there!"
Hats off, to ALL fighters, bareknucklers to cage guys. I tend to keep my theorizing to a ring, gloves, the rules in play...but just as the story of a surly and tardy gas station attendant once got a, "Hey man, hurry up" from Ali, then gave Ali (young guy then) some barked words back about let him do his job, and a travel companion of Ali said, "You just whipped Sonny Liston, you gonna take that from him?", and Ali chose to respect and leave well enough alone, saying, "That man looks tougher than Sonny Liston", we all know, somewhere out there, unknown, are likely guys who in a different venue could whip all these guys we all love.
PEACE!
What a time to be alive where anyone has access to these old fights
Great fight! Man, Moore kept catching Rocky with that right early on, messing up Rocky's eye real bad, but Rocky just kept on coming. Great conditioning and will to win.
I wouldn't say Rocky was in prime physical condition. He did seem tired at times, but my gawd he was relentless! And props to Arch for holding his LH title for so long, whoa!
Imagine if Archie Moore was in his prime like Rocky was. Imagine also if Moore was a natural heavyweight like Marciano was. Good thing for Rocky that Moore was neither in his prime nor a natural heavyweight.
@@davidgifford169 cry
@@raul_138 You crying? Sorry to hear that.... Damn bro
@@davidgifford169 marciano was 31...not his prime
Thanks for this post. For 41 yrs old, Moore was great fighting a young Rocky. 136 kos in his career out of 186 fights he was tough with 23 Ls.
Marciano threw 62 punches in 1:19 during the last round .... That is incredible: 62 punches in 79 seconds. Two great champions.
And most were power punches with a good pop at the end!
and at the nine round
never see
When Marciano closed in on opponents, he did it out of a crouch bobbing and weaving. He was very crafty and sly in the way he moved in on opponents. Ali said Rocky was surprisingly hard to hit cleanly.
Yes. He developed that funny style because of his short arms. He just wanted to land one of his haymakers [eg, 'Suzie Q'] and he was in tremendous shape, from an almost masochistic training regimen . . So he could pour it on, like he did here. He MISSED most of those punches, do you know how tiring that is? Even Rocky could get punched out . . But of course he could recover faster too. One fellow fighter once said of Floyd, "he always trains like he's broke". Many great later champions learned from Marciano.
Ali never fought him?
The REAL Greatest Of All Time, Rocky Marciano. The guy was an absolute machine. A Roman Gladiator.
As more time went on, he didn’t get tired at all, and in fact, he got stronger as the fight went on.
He could take thousands of the hardest haymakers right on the chin and keep moving forward absolutely unfazed. It was genuinely incredibly unexplainable.
Archie fought a courageous fight here. The punch that decked the Rock was definitely more damaging than the Walcott punch that floored Rocky in the first round of the title fight, back in 52.
How can you not love Rocky Marciano?
Rocky was absolutely great!! Archie Moore was a tremendous boxer as well!
HOW THE FOOK CAN YOU DISLIKE THT ???? CLASSIC FIGHT. Good video pal. 10/10 for the courage of The Old Mongoose. As for Marciano. what can you say. ?? Anyone ?
You can say he was fortunate that every name fighter he faced was old. Joe Louis was 37. Joe Walcott was 38 and 39. Archie Moore was either 41 or 45. Ezzard Charles was 34 and 35....meanwhile, Marciano was in his prime for all of them.
Ezzard charles was only a year older than marciano
@@davidgifford169 Marciano wasnt that fortunate, he started boxing at 25 and took alot of punishment in 7 short years. He fought ATGs who though past prime still topping the heavyweight division, and they all wanted that title
@@davidgifford169 No one forced them to get in the ring you drop kick
@@jmitch897 nope. That's a lie. Charles was 34 the first time and 35 the second time, but Marciano RETIRED at 32 after going life and death with a 42 year old light heavyweight who dropped him.
Archie always fought heavier and younger men...Marciano never fought after this fight...the old man gave Marciano a rough time..
In Rocky's own words: "In my prime, I could have fought with any man alive". He doesn't say he could have beaten any man alive, but he would have fought a competitive fight. The punching power of the Rock at 185 could take out anybody at 220. Marciano vs Norton, one word comes to mind, T I M B E RRRR !
Norton would have beet Marciano
I wasn't impressed
@@williamweir2744 If both same size, Marciano would hammer Norton into submission! No desrespect to Ken, but Marciano was a beast!💪🥊🏋️♂️😲🇮🇹🇺🇲
@william weir lol nice joke
Ali would have killed maracional
It looked like moor through a right hook but it didn't look like it had any power behind it however Rocky went down.
Archie Moore, nickname the old mongoose held the record and far as I know still does hold the record for the most knockouts in any weight class.
Amazing. 2 fighters both from Brockton, both brilliant in their division, and both lives tragically cut short -- Rocky Marciano and of course Marvellous Marvin Hagler. 🇬🇧
Those punches were bombs. Moore was really tough to resist and fight back for 9 rounds.
One of the rare times Moore was the bigger man in a heavyweight fight. At weigh in they were equal but by fight time you could tell Moore was bigger. Rocky was without equal in conditioning, work rate, and punch volume. He sometimes averaged 130 punches a round, insane for a heavyweight. Insane for ANY weight. Even though he was 7 years younger than Moore, Rocky was old for a boxer of that style and work rate which is likely why he retired after this fight. At age 32 it's damn hard to keep up the maniacal training regimen required to fight like Rock did. Joe Frazier, who trained like a man possessed, said his fight training regimen merely equaled Marciano's normal every day regimen. Moore knew every trick in the book and that allowed him to survive very late into his career. Being perhaps the hardest lb for lb puncher in boxing history helped too. But even his best shot (and that was SLICK) floored Rock for a count of only 2. Rock's workrate was just too much for the ole Mongoose.
Marciano didn't take up boxing until he was 24. Yet he destroyed the best boxers of his day before retiring. I'll never understand why he didn't make it an even 50 - 0 record before hanging up the gloves.
@@uversa7 It's because his manager had wrongfully taken a huge percentage of Marciano's purse and Rocky got tricked into signing a contract where he paid much of his earnings to him. Also, he was up there in age too and felt he was deteriorating. So better to retire on top.
Incredibly hard men. So much respect. Rocky so brutally persistent, the 6th round omg. I will say, wow, those counts are fast.
Merci mille fois pour ce beau moment historique si ont peut nous faire voir des moments historiques de Marcel serdant je suis preneur merci encore ❤️❤️❤️
O melhor de todos os TEMPOS ROCK MARCIANO . PERMANECEU INVICTO . NENHUMA DERROTA .
Wow this would’ve been huge today ... today we got Nate Robinson vs. Jake Paul lol 😂
Speaking of the last name Robinson suger ray Robinson was once asked would you fight rocky Marciano and rays manager said if we can make it happen we will and Robinson spoke up and said no because he’s smart
@@Xavier-wf4vz with how good ali dealt with rocky when they weren't suppose to be serious even though rocky was...I think robinson would've got the best of em in the long run. Rocky was a monster but robinson fought with a sword and shield and an agility of a leopard.
@@sorakazama7031 Robinson is one of the very few fighters to have mind boggling speed and deviating power especially for Somone of his size
@@Xavier-wf4vz only other is Roy jones jr.
@@sorakazama7031 yea Roy jones jr is amazing my favorite Philly shell fighter
Thanks for the upload man. Awesome fight!!!
My God Marciano was ferocious. So strong, like a relentless machine that just kept advancing. Never seen anyone box like that, no foot work, just march forward and hit. His chin mustve been made of cast iron.
That Italian might not have been human! Rock was bull-like strong!🐂🐂💪😲🇮🇹🇺🇲🥊
Actually he did have foot work that’s what allowed him to close distances and he even did a step over which is a no no in boxing but he was able to do it from time to time…. Watch ROCKY’S slide, slide shuffle leading in to his KO of Walcott in the title fight…. Watch it slow motion…. It’s his footwork that puts him in position to throw the most devastating single punch in history.
Charles (when he fought Marciaon the first time) was just off of a good win over Bob Satterfield. Archie Moore had just defeated for the umpteenth time, Nino Valdez, Walcott was the champion (he had just knocked out Ezzard Charles with one of the best left hooks ever seen) and Joe Louis had 12 straight victories since his loss to Charles.
little quick on the ten count compared to the others in the match. Archie was a warrior! thank u for uploading this
Marciano is the GREATEST !!!
rocky the warrior
That was some wild wide open style Rocky had. He wasn’t easy to hit. He used his fists like clubs. Love these old fight films. Thank you.
2 boxing legends they both left a great legacy in the sport Archie Moore is probably one of the greatest light heavyweights that ever lived.
Yes I agree coming from a Canadian ITALIAN he was great moore
Respect to both these warriors.
Marciano, to my mind, had the greatest stamina of any heavyweight ever. It was other-worldly.
Marciano is the best all time fighter!
U gotta be a fool
@@mallorylivingston1342 You are the fool for not recognizing Marciano is the best.
@@jskypercussion one of the best
@@jskypercussion well, Marciano never fought any prime heavyweights. He managed to beat jersey joe Walcott who was a good boxer, but mostly fought as a light heavyweight and was knocked in several prior fights, making him vulnerable to knockouts. He struggled to beat ezzard Charles who was suffering early symptoms of ALS. He managed to beat 37 year old washed up joe Louis, and in this fight he barely scraped by 41 year old Archie Moore who was just a ghost of his earlier self. Marciano didn’t hold the title very long, fight many notable fighters, and he never fought any good fighters in his prime. Put Marciano against joe Louis, Archie Moore or ezzard Charles when they were in their prime and it would be a far different story.
@@jamie91995 Those fighters were prime, and Rocky kicked their butts. He kicked everyone's butt. Nothing you can do, racist hater.
This was 1955, Ali fought Moore in 1962. The famous picture of Ali looking down at a knocked out Moore. Rocky fought him 7 years earlier, when he still had steam. Marciano had the best stamina of any heavyweight I've ever seen.
Jack Johnson as well but there were 2 fighters who fought 115 rounds for like 8 hours so idk man
As others have stated, Archie Moore's professional career is unparalleled. If the light heavy division was as popular and prestigious as the Middle and Heavies he may have maintained an unprecedented championship run. Amazing!
Moore really was amazing, I need to watch more of his fights. But, what would you say was his ideal weight? Neither Archie nor Rocky would not be heavyweights today [and so what].
Wow! No respect for one of the best boxers ever! Even if he had less competition (Which I don't agree with you on.), he still went 49-0! 43 of them were KOs! You can't take that away from someone who worked as hard as he did!
One thing that I noticed after watching this fight ofr the 100th time is that Marciano was such a brilliant strategist. After getting kncoked down he made an adjustment that stopped Moore from being able to punch back effectively. He threw a lot of short powerful punches that Moore was too busy worrying about to get any offense of his own going. Rocky was one hell of a fighter. Great guy too. One of the best EVER!
Marciano feared no one!👌🤙😀🥊🇮🇹🇺🇲
I keep finding myself coming back to this fight. lol
the REAL greatest. of all time. 49-0 it speaks. for itself
He won the title from an old man. His most notable fights were against old men. Overrated champion.
Rocky really didn't have any great challenges in his career. He fought Moore, Charles, Wallcot,and Louis. How old were these guys? I think you already know. What if Mike Tyson won the title at 29 by beating a guy 39? What would you say?
@james graham UNBEATEN
Big respect for Archie Moore. Can't help wondering if it would have finished differently, had they both been 39 yrs old...
You're the only one here that points that out. Archie was long in the tooth. Marciano vs Patterson would of been better. Marciano stayed retired.
That was one of the best fights I’ve seen and have total respect for both fighters.
Wham bam Rocky didn't give a damn!
Awesome champion!!
Marciano started old he was 25 his first pro fight...Joe Louis said Marciano hit harder than any boxer he had ever boxed,quite a compliment from a boxer who held the title 1937 -1949 12 years and 25 title defenses.
Joe Louis also said that the toughest fighter he ever fought was Tony Galento.
This is pure gold. It don’t get better. I love Marciano. But Archie Moore, is a MAN. Love both of them. To give Marciano that kind of fight at his age. God, what a stud
Rocky Marciano was the Best ever!
From 1952- 1956-ever.
CRAP
BristolViceSquad then who is
BristolViceSquad you forget that a peak foreman got beat by a washed up version of Ali and lennox lewis is the most overrated boxer of all time i expected you to say something like larryholmes
BristolViceSquad Ali dominated in his fight against foreman he wasn't just standing in the ropes taking punches he was throwing the more powerfull punches even before the KO and lennox fought holyfield past their prime lost to oliver mccall and hasim rahman who are both mediocre boxers should have lost in his fight against ray mercer got lucky against vitali briggs and bruno on paper he looks good but when you actually watch him fight you relise hes overrated
I never saw Rocky backup for more a than a step his whole career. He was a machine, relentlessly moving forward and wearing his opponents down until they were open for the thundering right. He fought like it never occurred to him he could lose.
Marciano was strongest man to ever lace on the gloves! 👍😉🥊💪🇺🇲🇮🇹
My goodness Rocky really put it on Archie, wow, for such a size difference you can see Rocky was the greatest of all the fighters of that era, easily the GOAT.
Two great champions.... RIP
These guys were the same weight. Marciano's last fight and he took out the great Archie Moore. That's called wearing him out.
I swear there is nothing better than classic boxing my god!
Add to that the fact that Marciano had more endurance than any fighter in history because he did more road work and fought more consecutive rounds in training. I read in one of his biographies that in training for one of his fights, he sparred 250 consecutive rounds!
23:45-24:58, my goodness, nonstop haymakers from a heavyweight. Absolutely crazy. None of that jab jab move jab hold crap. And wow that last round. Absolutely relentless
Great fight by two great fighters. Admiration and respect for the best boxing warrior champion Rocky Marciano.
Great fight by the both these legends. I hope people will remember Archie was 41 years old here.
archie was 37 years old and that is a fact, he was 43 when he fought ali
Rocky was much smaller however. Sorry. Take care.
Marciano took a lot of hits but due to his crouch they don't seem to be heavy hits. And he was just relentless, strong and in incredibly good shape.
Yes, I just learned recently he developed his style, rather unique from what I've watched, because of his short arms . . He really was tricky. And that gazelle punch . .