Verses claiming that god can or does lie are found at 1 Kings22:23, 2 Chronicles18:22, Jeremiah 4:10, Jeremiah 20:7, and Ezekiel 14:9 ….1Kings 22:23 And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a alying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also…2 Chronicles18:22 And the Lord said, Thou shalt entice him, and thou shalt also prevail: go out, and do even aso. 22 Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath aput a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil against thee…. Jeremiah4:10 Then said I, Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people and Jerusalem, saying, Ye shall have peace; whereas the sword reacheth unto the soul…. Jeremiah20:7 O Lord, thou hast a deceived me, and I was deceived: thou art stronger than I, and hast prevailed… Ezekiel14:9 "If the prophet is deceived and speaks a word, I, the LORD, have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand on him, and ...
I had touched the hem of this topic very briefly when Live with The Kentucky Atheist yesterday. This was one of the things that accelerated my deconversion.
1 Kings22:23, 2 Chronicles18:22: Syria conquered Ramoth Gilead and for three years there was peace between Israel and Syria. Then the two Israel Kings (north and south) decide to reclaim Ramoth Gilead from Syria. The protocol is to ask God for permission (and with His consent, succeed). Four hundred prophets say "Go!", but the southern King is not convinced and finds Micaiah, who tells the Kings, "The prophets are lying, king Ahab will die." The Kings choose the prophets word, not Micaiah and Ahab is killed in battle. We know King Ahab believed Micaiah because he disguised himself to avoid attention. God spoke the truth through Micaiah, even as He allowed a lying spirit to enter the prophets. The question is whether the Kings will believe God, or pursue their own desire. Jeremiah4:10;20:7: God told Jeremiah to prophesy Israel's destruction, in complete contrast to all prophesies of Israel's 'safety and security'. Obviously everyone mocked and ridiculed him for pronouncing destruction and not peace and prosperity. And Jeremiah is confused, he expected God to give him words of peace and safety, but instead is told to predict death and destruction. It is Jeremiah's expectations that created the impression of God's deception/lies, not that God lied to him or Israel. Jeremiah is hoping that God has lied to him and Israel because he does not want God to destroy Israel and hopes that will not happen. It did, and that is when the Jews were scattered among the nations who have hated them since then. God kept His word to Jeremiah and vindicated his prophecies as true and factual. Ezekiel14:9: Therefore speak to them, and tell them, ‘Thus says the Lord Yahweh: “Every man of the house of Israel who takes his idols into his heart, and puts the stumbling block of his iniquity before his face, and comes to the prophet; I Yahweh will answer him therein according to the multitude of his idols; that I may take the house of Israel in their own heart, because they are all estranged from me through their idols.”’ (Eze 14:4-5 WEB) So the deception God gives the prophet, is the prophet's/inquirer's own creation. The prophet/inquirer created his own moral standard which God then applies to him, i.e. speaks to the person according to the person's moral standard, not God's. It is the person's belief in lies that causes his destruction, not that God lied to him, but if the idol did exist and was real, it would say exactly the lie God tells the person. "You believe the idol, then here is what it says to you according to your belief system". Only God has life, not the idol, so God must speak for the idol as the Idol (the name YHWH means, "self existent', 'I am what I am', or, 'I will be what I will be', in this case He will be your Idol to your own destruction). God tells the truth, "if you want lies, I will tell them to you, exactly as you define and believe in them." The righteousness of the blameless will direct his way, but the wicked shall fall by his own wickedness. The righteousness of the upright shall deliver them, but the unfaithful will be trapped by evil desires. (Pro 11:5-6 WEB) You choose to prove God a liar, so your lies will be your downfall. Do you wish to provide more 'evidence' of God lying because that is your truth, isn't it?
I noticed that if you're middle class and pray, God will heal you. But starving, abused babies and children around the world? Nah, he doesn't have time for that.
What when does it say that look at this verse Iam a father to the fatherless and mother to the motherless even in the Bible God has never wanted your money maybe it's because people buy into big corporate churches in asking for healing
Exactly! The Christian cult (which I know) who’s good in using Bible to middle class are good in getting donations and build new video studios about Jesus’s so and so stories for their fun, but no enjoyment to low class who are struggling everyday life😢where some can’t even purchase Bible.
Yes agree, the Christian cult I know is good in using Bible stories to middle class and asks for donations for a better video studios and museums to promote their org, but not every believers and outsiders can get to go to that new place cuz can’t afford the transportation where it’s located😅
@@lh1673 I understand brother you're plea many people give there money to big church pastors who promise them money by prayers and give false prophecy but that's not the Bibles problem as these people did not notice false prophets
The prophets weren't in that time false prophets arose God chose his own true prophet so he caused the other prophets to stumble and confuse by putting a lying spirit in charge of their tongues so all they spoke is lies as they themselves lied
@@christineveazey3705The problem, though, is that all those stories containing "correct diviners" where written after the events divined occurred which is the only reason they were correct in the first place. Any stories written about that happened before the events they divined and were wrong about gets the apologetic of the "lying spirit".
I think it's time to remove the tax-exempt status of American churches and use those funds for public education. Just imagine the impact on our schools if they were as well-funded as some mega-churches.
This is not a road you want to go down. Churches do not have any "special" exemption. Almost all of them are simply set up as 501(c)(3) non-profit corporations. Legally they are on the same footing as any other non-profit corporation. To remove the tax exemption for religious organizations would set a dangerous precedent which could be used to remove the tax exempt status of any non-profit organization that the government doesn't like.
@@whitemakesright2177 No, they are not like 501c3 non-profit corporations, in the sense that Churches don't have to open their books and prove their use like non-profits do. They don't have to sign up and meet all of the qualifications 501c3's do. They can of they're able, but they don't have to meet the 501c3 qualifications to be tax exempt.
You people want to defund everything you don’t like or agree with. Putting those funds into education would line the pockets of the same people miserably failing our kids as is. Public education needs to weed out the lunatics and hire better people who are competent. Not take money from churches so it can go from a dumpster fire to an over funded dumpster fire
Ditto: I can think of a few who did not live a long life and never failed to honor their father and mother. So my Baby Daughter never dishonored her mom and I and die din the womb at 8 1/2 months, so my brothers son never dishonored his parents before he was born and died just hours after birth. Same for my sister,; So one of the most righteous girls I went to school with, who no one could speak ill of died her senior year. I am sure others can think of people who did not dishonor their parents and did not live long lives. The Bible is raught with contradictions to say the least.
@@Radrook353 We are skeptical of the existence of anthropomorphic supreme beings. That's a fact. If you can't accept that we are being honest about our skepticism (and giving plenty of reasons for it), then that's your problem.
It gets simpler if you remember that most things are tribe related and we are all in tribes within tribes. I KIS by making reality as simple as possible, starting with reality itself. That being that it is the best possible reality at this point in time. The Gnostic Christian reality. Gnostic Christian Jesus said, "Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will reign over all. [And after they have reigned they will rest.]" "If those who attract you say, 'See, the Kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is under the earth,' then the fish of the sea will precede you. Rather, the Kingdom of God is inside of you, and it is outside of you. [Those who] become acquainted with [themselves] will find it; [and when you] become acquainted with yourselves, [you will understand that] it is you who are the sons of the living Father. But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty." As you can see from that quote, if we see God's kingdom all around us and inside of us, we cannot think that the world is anything but evolving perfection. Most just don't see it and live in poverty. Let me try to make you see the world the way I do. Here is a mind exercise. Tell me what you see when you look around. The best that can possibly be, given our past history, or an ugly and imperfect world? Candide. "It is demonstrable that things cannot be otherwise than as they are; for as all things have been created for some end, they must necessarily be created for the best end.” That means that we live in the best of all possible worlds, because it is the only possible world, given all the conditions at hand and the history that got us here. That is an irrefutable statement given entropy and the anthropic principle.
That’s what you get when you are juvenile, and actually just narrating your own narrative to a book written thousands of years ago in a language you do not understand
Isaac was a gifted child for a purpose. Obviously, you’re missing the point of the story why he would be demanded to be given up as Abraham refused to fulfill the purpose required for Isaac but obviously that’s lost on you as you don’t know Hebrew and you did not actually read the entire story and understand the purpose of its message.
@@Yosaif-Israel But he wasn't "given up", was he? So, tell me, what was the point of the story then? Because, from the admittedly English translation of the story, God wanted to test Abraham if he would actually do it to show how faithful he is. And Abraham was, well, fine with the idea of killing his child because God told him to. Side note: this also seemingly means that God is okay with child sacrifice.
@@iamfiefo then before I go into the lengthily biblical narrative, which begins at the beginning of the Genesis, as it’s consistent how come the text praises Abraham for not killing his son in the end so it seems you didn’t read it correctly or the English is really terrible
@@Yosaif-Israel It seems like God is rewarding Abraham for, you know, willing to go through with it. He didn't... but he would've done so _without any question or clarification_ if the angel didn't step in.
Wow, UA-cam queued-up a 45 second Scientology commercial themed "Think for yourself" during this MythVision episode. Irony is lost on the UA-cam Algorithm.
God Lies- 1 Kings 22:23, 2 Chronicles 18:22 "Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets.” Jeremiah 4:10 “Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people.” Jeremiah 20:7 “O Lord, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived.” Ezekiel 14:9 “And if a prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet.” 2 Thessalonians 2:11 “For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.”
Even Jesus said he spoke in parables to prevent people from understanding him. I think digging deeper into the parables for his meanings is a legit thing but yeah. If you want to speak to humans, say what you mean
@@HeidiSue60 _"I think digging deeper into the parables for his meanings is a legit thing..."_ What does this mean? “If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters - yes, even his own life - he cannot be my disciple." (Luke 14:26-27)
@@humanistreformation _"Ezekiel is a false prophet..."_ So was the fictional character known as Jesus- Jesus said his return would be imminent - 2,000 years ago! Jesus told his disciples that they would not die before his second coming: "There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom". (Matthew 16:28) "Some of you standing here will not taste death until you see the Kingdom come with power." (Mark 9:1-20) "The time is fulfilled and the kingdom of God is at hand." (Mark 1:15)
@@humanistreformation _"Jesus was a huge fraud!"_ Jesus is a fictional character created by Paul in 48 AD after the Daniel 9:25 prophesy expired unfulfilled.
I love that these two scholars talk about characters from the Bible like they're old friends. Nothing speaks to a deep understanding of the texts more than that. Thanks Derek for facilitating all this!
The whole point of that story we to test Abrahams resolve and he didn't do it any way like what and he didn't send deceiving spirits to Good people these Guys were clearly bad maybe you don't know this has happened before with the Tower of babel we're he confused the language of the in habitants
I clearly remember when it completely hit me that Yahweh absolutely was not the God I'd been told, nor the loving God Christ taught, but he was a terrible god with serious issues, and I could never return to thinking he was again... I was sitting in church, as usual. Hahaha. I believe in a God above other gods, but not this personified being, not the last 35 years. I refer to this source, this force, this all in all as The God, to make an easy reference. But since that day, I knew I'd find answers explaining much more and different from this religious dogma. I'm far more satisfied being a Spiritual person, rather than a religious person. I've extremely enjoyed all these different studies and research that I've found over all these years. And I appreciate it every bit. 👍🙏💜
Yaoldaboath is Yaveh The prince of lies “This world is his” The demented narcissistic usurper The Demiurge Once you accept this fact it ALL makes perfect sense BTW loved the dynamic of this round table You guys looked like you where having a blast
Well I'm a Christian and I actually am more in line with what Marcion says.... I do not believe that is the God Jesus was speaking about at all. Love your channel
Ge2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for *_in the day that thou eatest thereof_* thou shalt surely die. ... but they didn't. did they? Why didn't God say "in the day that thou eatest thereof I shall surely boot you out of the garden"? Because God lied. But not everybody in that story lies ... Ge3:2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: Ge3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. Ge3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: Ge3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened So the serpent told the truth; God lied!
@@user-nq9uo2rw9n but God didn't say "You shall surely die" - not according to the KJV Bible, anyway - he said ... Ge2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: Ge2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for *_in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die._* Get it? "IN THE DAY that thou eatest thereof" Not "if thou eatest of it, thou shalt die eventually" As to whether I will eventually die - that rates as one of the stupidest questions I have ever been asked. Next, you'll ask if I pay taxes. (It is said that life holds only two certainties - death and taxes.)
However, do not let this escape your notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah* as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day. 2 Peter 3:8 God didn't lie Adam didn't even live one complete day. Genesis 5:5 That narrative is completely destroyed.
@@TheSweetScience123 ... and when you try to win an argument by quoting the Bible to me, your narrative is destroyed (in my eyes) at that point. I believe that the Bible was written by men - God didn't come down, take up pen and paper (or chisel and rock, or whatever, and write it himself. And when men write, they write what they want other people to believe - they put down on paper (or rock, or clay tablets, etc) their vested interests - or maybe you really do believe that Adam was chatted up by a snake - and that the earth was flooded so that all the high montains were covered? Where did the flood waters go to? They didn't run to the sea like most floods do - because they *were* the sea - and you believe that in the Tower of Babel incident, there was a huge population, all speaking different languages (migrant workers) despite one of Noah's sons still being alive that that point? The Bible narratives simply don't hang together to make logical sense. When you are reading iot, be skeptical. Just like when you read anythiong else, don't just accept everything, but THINK! However, as *_you_* appear to believe in the veracity of the Bible, this should convince you that Adam didn't die on the day he was born (or made from clay, already adult) ... Ge5:3 And Adam lived *_an hundred and thirty years,_* and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth: Ge5:4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were *_eight hundred years:_* and he begat sons and daughters: Ge5:5 And all the days that Adam lived were *_nine hundred and thirty years:_* and he died. That seems like mor than a day! He was quite a guy - making progeny at more than 130 years! The Bible completely ignores his wife, but she must have been quite extraordinary too - giving birth at that age. So even though I don't put any credence in the Bible, it seems that its arithmetic is OK. 130 + 800 = 930. However, I don't believe that any human being has lived 930 years! I don't know how they measured a year, but it was a much shorter period than the year we use now. Maybe it was by the moon. 930 / 13 = 71.5 which is more acceptable - but even that doesn't pan out in all cases. It would mean that some of the Bible characters conceived children at less than 7 years of age.
@@user-nq9uo2rw9n No answer to my last comment? So do you now agree that according to Genesis, God lies? He's supposed to be almighty, and to be able to forsee the future - so either (1) he can't see the future, and is not what he's cracked up to be, or (2) The Bible makes an inaccurate statement, in which case, it can't be entirely trusted, or (3) God lied. Which is it in your opinion? On the other hand, Ge3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, *_Ye shall not surely die:_* Ge3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. Ge3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. Ge3:7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; So having concluded who lied, who told the truth? Acording to biblical text, it all happened pretty much h0ow the serpent said it would. Also, as a matter of interest, ... Ge3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life How did snakes get around before they were told to crawl on their belly? They haven't got arms or legs. And they don't eat dust - another lie.
7:25 I had a 'discussion' with my uncle who is a black Hebrew Israelite and said something similar to this when I said God commanded spirit to go and become a lying spirit and possess people. He really went and said that wasn't a command The spirit was just begging him to do it and he allowed it to go. Mind you, he can admit that YHWH is the head and commander of the heavenly army and that he will issue commands, but that little interaction right there did not count as a command. 🤦♂️ I told him it's things like this is why I don't trust preachers or a lot of religious folk. I don't know What he got more offended by, me saying that (since I used to be the Golden child biblical scholar of the family) or me calling him a Christian.
They are enclosed to their doctrines. An open minded person will find more truth than the opposite. Pastors usually warms them about not hearing someone else and to always be careful whom they listen to 😅
I’m right there with you. My intense, truth-seeking journey had actually began because I wanted to an even closer relationship with God. I will say this, while my journey eventually led me away from Christianity, I DO feel “closer” (better understanding, and peace) to the source of all. And I learned THAT is what Jesus was trying to do, too. Jesus was trying to wake everyone up from the deception of the “God” of the Old Testament, who is NOT the most high source of all life. And then Paul came along, and totally undermined Jesus’s true Essene teachings. He was the wolf in sheep’s clothing. Christians are just followers of Paul’s teachings, and don’t even know Jesus’s big-picture message. The Bible is trash; it was written with “the lying pen of the scribes”.
😮Interesting and quiet BAFFLING How Christians Refuse to see GOD HIMSELF CREATED EVIL. Even tho its plain as day in the Bible that includes the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. So GOD Is the CAUSE Of all of the SUFFERING In the World.
Could be like Music theory or ear training. When you start out you’re struggling to just execute the passage (get it’s plain meaning) but as your exposed to more music, themes, internalize them etc it’s not so much that new information is added so much as your greater depth of familiarity allows you to see the same material with different layers of depth. For a subjective art form such as music or poetry this is amazing. When trying to use an ancient text to proscribe moral behavior, this obviously becomes a horrific issue.
So you are saying everything came into existence from nothing (which is scientifically impossible) is more rational than to think, someone created this world? Can you give me arguments why this would make sense?
'For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass , one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from Mosaic law, till all be fulfilled.' Jesus, in Matt 5 18@@DrewClark-ov5up
No, to the contrary. Jesus came down in the flesh to sacrifice Himself for mankind, including you and me. Sarcasm and scoffing God will not change the truth. Proverbs 21:24. I really feel sorry for you guys and I mean it. 😢
Truth is what the facts are. Truth is that which can be demonstrated to comport with reality. Please demonstrate the truth of your claims, or accept you spoke dishonestly. Claiming truth without knowing it's true.
All these books of the OT. What outside Biblical evidence is available for the actual factual, historical existence of the prophets? Like Isaiah Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Amos, etc. etc. Books named after these so called divinely inspired men. What proof do we have outside of scriptures and traditions that these men were prophets and actually existed??
Its hard to provide proof of people like that existing when you're going that far back in time and with the way people wrote back in the day. That being said, we do know for a fact that Daniel was fake due to the way the earliest manuscripts were written (different styles of handwriting among other things). Then there's the fact that the book gets supposedly contemporary details very wrong but gets certain bits of the "future" right with the accuracy getting significantly worse the further it goes. There were prophets who were supposedly contemporary with Daniel who wrote about each other but never had a thing to say about Daniel.
Yah was angry at Ahab and the Israelites because they worshipped pagan gods. The israelites also worshipped Moloch and sacrificed children to this false god. That was one of the final straws that led to the Israelites being scattered from the promised land.
You can check out billy Carson. He researched alot of ancient texts and papyrus and stone tablets( the origins of the bible) also research the annunaki, after you do all the pieces of the puzzle will come together. There were many clever deities that posed as gods. That is why the bible is so confusing and hypocritical
@@patrickhein9470 That looks more like speculative scifi than historically based. I'm greek latin history and philology bachelor, so he doesn't satisfy my methodological standards.
@emanuelemarian242 I get it. You been taught something and embrace it whole heartedly. I was raised Christian and alot didn't make sense to me. After learning many things and trying to put things together, I have learned most things taught are lies. The stories that were written many millenia ago make sense. We were created by other intelligent beings. It explains the gap in evolution as well as the oddities in our DNA. Science has proven these tablets to be factual. Explain to me how ancient texts supposedly made up by ancient civilizations described our solar system in details that today's space exploration has confirmed. The texts also explain how the earth was created by a collision of planets and the asteroid belt. Nobody new about the asteroid belt until recently. Nobody knew that Neptune was spinning on a horizontal axis. Pluto was discovered just recently. But these texts talked about them all in detail. Saturn's rings and Jupiter's massive storms. They spoke of Mars when it still had atmosphere and water. There is no way it is sci-fi.
@@patrickhein9470 tablets are much more boring than that. They're are interesting for the history scholar, whom gets quite aroused by things most people find almost insignificant. For most of other, common, people a willing misinterpretation creates a similar effect through a fictional unexpected shrouded in mistery. It works because it sells a lot outside specialists' bubble.
I wish there were less sarcasm and jokes and more serious discussion. I am a fan of all the presenters. It is so challenging to follow the train of thought in between the giggles and laughter as they discuss the topic. I like all of you and had to add my two cents.
Yeah. They better have their giggles and sarcasm and enjoy it to the fullest whilst they and all other atheists are still alive. After their death, there will only be gnashing of theeth and tears. No use I qoute Bible verses as you don't believe the truth contained therein. You can mock the God of the Bible and followers of Jesus Christ as much as you like, but it will not stop true believers from believing in Christ. I really feel sorry for you guys. Pity you can't talk to Marilyn Mary O'Hare at this point in time before you die. She "sings" a different tune now than when she was alive.
@marcomoreno6748 - Thanks for your response, Marco. In fact, I do. I surmise that you are an atheist. It's your right to believe or not to believe in anything. If you are indeed an atheist, then it serves no purpose that I quote from the Bible or explain any other extra Biblical encounters that I have had with the Holy Spirit over the years. The reason is that nothing that I say will convince you. That which I encounter on a daily basis(and so do millions of true christians) can not be understood with one's intellect or by means of scientific research or physical evidence because it happens on a spiritual level. The spiritual sphere falls outside the physical realm and preceeds the latter. Hence, it can only be descerned and understood spiritually. Regards.
The Bible is an easy target to discredit. It can be misinterpreted and used by those who do not understand it and are ignorant of its language and ways it describes events and stories. But to those who see beyond all this alleged lies, the Bible and especially the New Testament give us hope for the future of humanity, it shows reality as it is, but it also shows how the Almighty works through that reality to accomplish a work of perfection that only He can do. Sin and evil became a part of His creation because of His creatures but the Almighty is using these elements as tools to makes us better, just as He used in the Old Testament the treason of Joseph brothers who sold him to merchants and later he was imprisoned, to keep people from dying from a famine about to come, the Almighty is using sin and evil for good. Jesus was also a victim of these evil but the Almighty used his rejection and death to rescue humanity from the power of sin. As we read in Revelation, the Almighty will be victorious and His desires will be done as He has purposed no matter the opposition, He will conquer death, which is the last enemy humanity is facing, He will do it for us.
In the bible, YHVH or Yahweh lies, he is not the father of Jesus/Yeshua. YHVH is an evil god of duality, actually one of the elohim that the Most High appointed over Israel/Jacob according to the bible. He most definitely repays evil with evil, a god of just recompense, Jesus nor His Father are like that and this mixing of the two into one "god" is fundamentally the issue with Christianity and their "view" of "god".
Elohim, The Mighty one, Archangel Micheal the Angel of the Lord mentioned so often in scripture, Yahweh is Satan, nothing to do with God,Saints are Greek, Septuagint was the original bible, why they always give you the Greek translation, ORIGINAL language obviously, Solomon's temple built by Hiram Abiff Satan himself,Titus was the Chrestus author of All biblical scripture, Greek, Jesus was the Greek word for saviour, Titus said when he crucified Jesus Lucifer,My God my God why have you forsaken me, classic, Pontius meaning God of the sea, Pilate meaning armed with a dart, Titus's satire, Titus says in the NT I'll make you fisherman of men, Titus aka Paul says Titus my ONE TRUE son in the faith, there's a clue in that statement, Titus was Ra Sol the creator, why he gave them Sol invictus to worship on the 25th December when the Sun resurrects again after 3 days, Titus's satire.
@@jericosha2842 yeah I’m not into Marcionism. The text is written as it is and unless Everything virtually is metaphor or Jesus was a liar… He is against YHVH. He plainly told the Israelites their father was not his and it was YHVH who they worshipped then and today.
Interesting seeing Kip on this channel. He was taken to task by Carrier and The Godless Engineer about the Historicity of Jesus. Kip seems like a pretty cool guy. Good content!
My question is....do you believe any of this stuff? Elohim/Annunaki, Enki, Enlil? Were those stories taken from even earlier stories not yet found? How much of this do you think is/was real? If any. Criticism may not be the best way to win over an audience. This channel isn't exactly breaking any records. With all due respect.
do an episode about the remote listening ability for the writers of the bible. how they can get within earshot of a conversation that is [allegedly] happening hundreds or even thousands of miles away.
One because of the holy spirit or God to because these are famous events peoples words are repreated and some things in the Bible are pretty famous like the prophecy of the star of David which talks about king bringing someone to curse Israel but could not why because God was with archeological digging found the prophecy of the star written on ancient paper or something so what does it mean that the story became famous so Israel picked up what happened and wrote it down
@@orpheemulemo8053 and then theres about a hundred private conversations between various rival kingdom's kings in private conversation that are recounted time and time again. "holy spirit" is slang for "i made it up" btw
@@siecheil He didn't make it up learn history these countries the Bible talks about not only exist each in some point went to war with Israel the Book of kings is called by archeologist one of the most hysterical books ever because it's easily trace back you should actually go and major in history before you start talking or watch this channel Bible expedition
@@orpheemulemo8053 some do. many dont. there was no group named "ashkenaz" living in armenia. theres actually little to no archaelogical or contemporary evidence for much of the people, places, names, cities, towns, kingdoms, wars, and events described in the bible. the enslavement and exodus from egypt is a great example. the kingdom of jerusalem wasnt even a kingdom so much as it was a few mudhuts. the architecture itself was really built by the romans and various other civilized peoples who presided over the inhabitants. dont you watch this channel? thats not even taking into account the supernatural elements. to be fair, there are accurate historical events too, but theyre often overshadowed by overly exaggerated, biased, and completely nonsensical accounts when they do manage to get something right. even the new testament is riddled with factual errors that wouldnt have been made by people living in judea during the time they claimed to be witnessing events unfold. referring to pilate as a procurator rather than a prefect is one such case. theres thousands of mistakes and this guy makes a career out of pointing mamy of them out.
@@orpheemulemo8053 im very much learned in history, its how i know the vast majority of the events are nonsense. and the ones they do manage to get right often are exagerrated, erroneous (i.e. times, places, etc) or otherwise unreliable. i wrote out a much longer reply but youtube censored it so im just gonna leave this comment as is. maybe itll get through the filters, maybe it wont.
God is never lie. Because the spirit of truth is the God. Jesus is the holispirit, that's why he is not God. But he said, the spirit of truth will come after me
GOD DOESN'T LIE! God of Universe Who created everything does not have a throat to speak as humans. People who dare to speak or write from the name of God are lying .
[Framing the problem]: *It is impossible for a contradictory thing to be true.* A non-contradictory thing could be true or false, depending on context, but at least has the *possibility* of being true. ❌️Contradictory Theology, Mathematics and Physics (Knowing Good; Functions; limit built into every operation)❌️: 1. The Genesis 1 character and the Genesis 2 character are the exact same character. 2. Zero is not fundamental and nonzero numbers are fundamental (Newton/Einstein calculus). 3. 0D is not locally real and 1D, 2D, 3D, 4D are locally real (Newton/Einstein physics). ✅️Non-contradictory Theology, Mathematics and Physics (Knowing Good from Evil; Relations defined by constraints; limit is a separate operation)✅️: 1. The Genesis 1 character and the Genesis 2 character are polar opposite characters. 2. Zero is fundamental and nonzero numbers are not fundamental (Leibniz calculus). 3. 0D is locally real and 1D, 2D, 3D, 4D are not locally real (Leibniz physics). [🐴Materialism/Empiricism💩 version of Religion]: Interpreting the Bible with the Genesis 1 character and the Genesis 2 character as the exact same character generates near 70,000 contradictions (see reason project) and requires heavy apologetics. A Bible interpretation which includes near 70,000 contradictions (impossible to be true) is what a snake-oil salesman would sell you. 🐍 [🐶Materialism/Empiricism💩 version of Science]: The standard model of physics is Einstein's 3+1 space-time, which are considered locally real, where 0 is considered not locally real...been that way since Newton for zero vs nonzero numbers. Problem is...quantum physics proved the observable universe (1D, 2D, 3D and 4D) is actually not locally real...and that was over a year ago! (Yes, Leibniz was correct after all.) 🦧 [Layman's terminology of locally real vs not locally real]: locally real = more real (Leibniz said "necessary") not locally real = less real (Leibniz said "contingent") [Closing arguments]: The Materialism/Empiricism package brings with it all the contradictions, false dichotomies, paradoxes and literally "life's biggest questions". It's been a year why is everyone still using Logic, Calculus and Geometry that is contradictory at the most fundamental level? If both Religion and Science removed their "Materialist/Empiricist-perspective shades 👓" (which hasn't been true for a year) and put on their "Realist-perspective shades 👓" (which has been true for a year) they would not only cease to argue...they'd agree with each other (world first 🪙).
[infinity and zero, God, soul]: in·fin·i·ty MATHEMATICS a number greater than any assignable quantity or countable number (symbol ∞). (In counting numbers 0 is the subject where positive integers "1, 2, 3 and 4 etc" are the objects). What is the meaning of zero in Webster's dictionary? a. : the arithmetical symbol 0 or 0̸ denoting the absence of all magnitude or quantity. b. : additive identity. specifically : the number between the set of all negative numbers and the set of all positive numbers. Zero is the most important number in mathematics and is both a real and an imaginary number with a horizon through it. Zero-dimensional space is the greatest dimension in physics and is both a real and an imaginary dimension with an event horizon through it. Isn't⚡God⚡supposed to be outside of space (1D, 2D, 3D) and time (4D)? Well, 0D is outside of space and time: 0D (not-natural) = dimensionless and timeless 1D, 2D, 3D (natural) = spatial dimensions 4D (natural) = temporal dimension Read Leibniz's Monadology 📖 and consider that the Monad is the zero-dimensional space binding our quarks together with the strong force (it is). The other side of the Monad is Monos (Alone) and this side is Monas (Singularity) and there's an event horizon between them. So El/Elohim or Theos/Logos etc pick your language. Quarks are dimensionless (no size) and timeless (not-natural). The two main quark spin configs two-down, one-up (subatomic to neutron) and two-up, one-down (subatomic to proton) could easily be construed as the male (upward facing trinity) and female (downward facing trinity) image that Elohim made us in during Genesis 1. Quarks (no spatial extension) experience all 3 fundamental forces plus have a fractional electric charge⚡and that's why protons and neutrons (spatial extension) have electrons orbiting around them. In Geometry any new dimension has to contain within it all previous dimensions. This holds true with it being impossible for protons and neutrons (spatial extension) to exist without subatomically containing within themselves quarks (no spatial extension). "Something (spatial extension) from Nothing (no spatial extension)". A) The postulated soul, 👻, has 1. no spatial extension 2. zero size 3. exact location only B) Quarks are mass with no size measured in Megaelectron Volts. Mass with no size is a unique equation in that it has no spatial extension. Conclusion: A and B are the same thing.
[Important point 👉 (dont forget)]: 0D (zero) is different from 1D-10D (nonzero) because 0D is a not-natural dimension whereas 1D-10D are natural dimensions. 0D monad (Creator event horizon) 1D, 2D, 3D are spatial (space) dimensions 1D line 2D width 3D height 4D, 5D, 6D are temporal (time) dimensions 4D length 5D breadth 6D depth 7D, 8D, 9D are spectral (energy) dimensions 7D continuous 8D emission 9D absorption 10D black hole (Destroyer event horizon) It is impossible for anything 1D-9D to approach 0D or 10D due to their event horizons. 10D contains a placeholder 0 (not locally real) for its event horizon. Only 0D is locally real on this side. The other side of the event horizon at the zero-of yourself (near horizon) is God. The other side of the event horizon of a black hole (far horizon) is not God. Anything we know about black holes (Destroyer) we know the opposite of that is true for monads (Creator). It's a mirror universe with 0D at the center. This side (Elohim; Singularity) is contingent and less real (the natural dimensions anyway) and the other side (El; Alone) is necessary and more real (pretty sure the entirety of the other side remains locally real or "more real") The zero-of ourselves (more real 👻) was made by the Holy Trinity (Elohim; possessive; God's) in Genesis 1 which should not be confused with the Unholy Trinity (Elohim; plural; gods) in Genesis 2-3 who constantly messes with the 1D, 2D, 3D parts of us (less real 🤷♂️). Blind fool Yah Tsebaoth (Yaldabaoth) is chief of the false Elohim. "the LORD of the gods", or "smartest retard".
[Monad in philosophy/cosmogony]: Monad (from Greek μονάς monas, "singularity" in turn from μόνος monos, "alone") refers, in cosmogony, to the Supreme Being, divinity or the sum "I am" of all things. The concept was reportedly conceived by the Pythagoreans and may refer variously to a single source acting alone, or to an indivisible origin, or to both. The concept was later adopted by other philosophers, such as Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz, who referred to the Monad as an *elementary particle.* It had a *geometric counterpart,* which was debated and discussed contemporaneously by the same groups of people. [In this speculative scenario, let's consider Leibniz's *Monad,* from the philosophical work "The Monadology", as an abstract representation of *the zero-dimensional space that binds quarks together* using the strong nuclear force]: 1) Indivisibility and Unity: Monads, as indivisible entities, mirror the nature of quarks, which are deemed elementary and indivisible particles in our theoretical context. Just as monads possess unity and indivisibility, quarks are unified in their interactions through the strong force. 2) Interconnectedness: Leibniz's monads are interconnected, each reflecting the entire universe from its own perspective. In a parallel manner, the interconnectedness of quarks through the strong force could be metaphorically represented by the interplay of monads, forming a web that holds particles together. 3) Inherent Properties: Just as monads possess inherent perceptions and appetitions, quarks could be thought of as having intrinsic properties like color charge, reflecting the inherent qualities of monads and influencing their interactions. 4) Harmony: The concept of monads contributing to universal harmony resonates with the idea that the strong nuclear force maintains harmony within atomic nuclei by counteracting the electromagnetic repulsion between protons, allowing for the stability of matter. 5) Pre-established Harmony: Monads' pre-established harmony aligns with the idea that the strong force was pre-designed to ensure stable interactions among quarks, orchestrating their behavior in a way that parallels the harmony envisaged by Leibniz. 6) Non-Mechanical Interaction: Monads interact non-mechanically, mirroring the non-mechanical interactions of quarks through gluon exchange. This connection might be seen as a metaphorical reflection of the intricacies of quark-gluon dynamics. 7) Holism: The holistic perspective of monads could symbolize how quarks, like the monads' interconnections, contribute holistically to the structure and behavior of particles through the strong force interactions. [Monad in mathematics, science and technology]: Monad (biology), a historical term for a simple unicellular organism Monad (category theory), a construction in category theory Monad (functional programming), functional programming constructs that capture various notions of computation Monad (homological algebra), a 3-term complex Monad (nonstandard analysis), the set of points infinitesimally close to a given point
"Some first follow the true Savior but then turn away to worship a dead man." - the revelation of Peter THE WORLD RULER TRIES TO KILL ME And then a voice of the world ruler came to the angels: “I am god and there is no other god but me.” But I laughed joyfully when I examined his conceit. But he went on to say, “Who is the human?” And the entire host of his angels who had seen Adam and his dwelling were laughing at his smallness. And thus did their thought come to be removed outside the majesty of the heavens, away from the human of truth, whose name they saw, since he is in a small dwelling place. They are foolish and senseless in their empty thought, namely, their laughter, and it was contagion for them. The whole greatness of the fatherhood of the spirit was at rest in its places. And I was with him, since I have a thought of a single emanation from the eternal ones and the unknowable ones, undefiled and immeasurable. I placed the small thought in the world, having disturbed them and frightened the whole multitude of the angels and their ruler. And I was visiting them all with fire and flame because of my thought. And everything pertaining to them was brought about because of me. And there came about a disturbance and a fight around the seraphim and cherubim, since their glory will fade, and there was confusion around Adonaios on both sides and around their dwelling, up to the world ruler and the one who said, “Let us seize him.” Others again said, “The plan will certainly not materialize.” For Adonaios knows me because of hope. And I was in the mouths of lions. And as for the plan that they devised about me to release their error and their senselessness, I did not succumb to them as they had planned. And I was not afflicted at all. Those who were there punished me, yet I did not die in reality but in appearance, in order that I not be put to shame by them because these are my kinsfolk. I removed the shame from me, and I did not become fainthearted in the face of what happened to me at their hands. I was about to succumb to fear, and I suffered merely according to their sight and thought so that no word might ever be found to speak about them. For my death, which they think happened, happened to them in their error and blindness, since they nailed their man unto their death. Their thoughts did not see me, for they were deaf and blind. But in doing these things, they condemn themselves. Yes, they saw me; they punished me. It was another, their father, who drank the gall and the vinegar; it was not I. They struck me with the reed; it was another, Simon, who bore the cross on his shoulder. It was another upon whom they placed the crown of thorns. But I was rejoicing in the height over all the wealth of the rulers and the offspring of their error, of their empty glory. And I was laughing at their ignorance.
It's very interesting to read these comments below. This atheistic religion is just as dogmatic as some Christians I know. As a believer in the one that rose again, how could mortal man ever know for sure. We could argue back and forth forever and still never really know. Even though science has tried to create life from non-life, still the mystery goes on. The precision of the universe is fascinating to comprehend, with so far no scientific answer. Fun to watch the other sides obsession with what you would call "a fabricated story." I guess the bottom line is, we all have to make a living some way.
I was raised a Christian so i don't understand why Christians don't accept the fact that Abram was a Chaldean. Even Judaism came from multiple gods. Even Abraham is saying this one is ours.
Biblically, there's no dividing line between good and evil, as the Bible references "the evil spirit of the Lord, but, more importantly, there's no dividing line between true and false either. In fact, it might be easier for the comparatively innocent Satan to be good and tell the truth.
You obviously don't study the scriptures, just like these other people here. You are all so easily fooled by these clowning trash creators. I destroy their false narrative with ease, because I study seeking truth.
@@illusiveman8027 I quoted directly from the Bible. What are you talking about? Again 1 Kings 16:30-33 King Ahab was known as the worst of the kings because of his worship of false gods. Read it and humble yourself, as you are terribly wrong.
Thank you all, so very much, for doing these shows. I like to find the answers to the hard questions myself, but its validating to hear that others are finding the awareness hidden in the scriptures. Yaull are in the right path, but never stop asking questions..Please continue on the path and dont stop asking questions... there is so much more to be found. Look inside yourselves and try to find the Understanding behind "They took wives of their choosing"... Im a decent looking guy and I have the freedom to take a wife of my choosing. 😮
You guys should know the Bible talks about a lot of things happening in history not all does the Bible agree with morally but those things happened and the fact the Bible is true is it doesn't lie to you that those things happened example the cannanites were a tribe near Israel that worshipped mollech they did so by burning there children alive and you know what God said those who sacrifice their children will be put to death not anyone who helps him God's anger will be upon him don't look for things to be angry at God also God hasn't lied once in the Bible
Even with the existence of God, man created in His image still has absolute control of the narrative. History is written by the victor. Myths and legends most times tell the thuths that the victims are bound to suppress.
Jesus called it too when he told the pharisees...."You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies."
@ responsibility: first the bible was written by men! Men can be manipulated by desires . Do you think that those 400 prophets were RIGHTEOUS MEN CHOSEN BY? IT TOOK SEVEN GENERATIONS FROM ADAM BEFORE ONE RIGHTEOUS MAN COMES. PLEASE. USE THE BRAIN YOU WERE GIVEN
1kings 22:23 doesn’t have “The Lord” lying but rather giving permission to a spirit to lie to the prophets. 2 Chronicles 18:22 is retelling of 1kings 22:23 Jeremiah 4:10 is a prophecy about the coming judgment on Israel to go into captivity in Babylon …the mentioning of Jeremiah saying God deceived was because the priest in Israel was telling the king to not worry basically where Jeremiah was a true prophet telling the truth of what God showed him. Jeremiah 20:7 the prophet is saying he is being made fun of and not respected because of what God told him what to say to the people of Israel and since the people don’t believe Jeremiah they think he’s a joke. Ezekiel 14:9 is a condition of one who turns to another god and the persuades another prophet of god to follow after the other god … and as an example to be a sign to Israel he will allow them to co tongue and cut them off from Israel …. Based on the context ….i don’t think God is a liar. In fact I think according to the text he did exactly what he said he would do as you see later on when you continue to read.
I don’t see how this is a problem, God has sovereignty over all things including whether someone should live and die. He’s completely justified to kill anyone at any moment. Yet he can’t lie? Why not? Because you want to know everything? He might be lying about his promises? He clearly does it for humanities best interest. And he hasn’t broken a promise from what I have seen.
25:59 + a minor verse (1 Kings 20;35) Because you have not obeyed the Lord (didnt hit/ injure the prophet), as soon as you leave me a lion will kill you.” And after the man went away, a lion found him and killed him. fanfiction at its greatest
God will be acquitted of this accusation that he's been lying. Simply because all these accusations were simply taken from stories in scriptures that God never wrote in the first place.
Was Daniel written in the 600s BCE or 200s BCE? I thought Dr. Josh said 6th century in this video. I've been watching so many ancient scholarship videos I'm losing track. 😊
Romans 2: 14-15 14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: 15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;) Romans 5:13 13(For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. If the nations, other than Israel did not have “the law” then what judgement were they guilty off? The Law strictly for Israel.
The New Testament clearly says this. 2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: These are people not incline to believe a lie, but God will make them believe it. Because if they were going to believe it anyway, why would god have to do anything? Only makes sense God would have to do something like that would be if they would not have believed it on their own. So god will make them believe it and then punish them for believing it. Where is the "free will" in that?
Such a small area has produced so many religions that cherish peace yet spend all there life warring with one tribe or another.Since spiritual awareness happened to save people,correct bad attitude and bring happiness the hatred problem has not been solved in two thousand years.Love of war,greed and selfishness still overtakes compassion and empathy and the entire middle east always be a powder keg ready to explode.A nuclear Pakistan.Iran or North Korea supplying weapons to militia groups adds even more uncertainty how quick ww3 starts.
Why do many myrhicists chide those Christians who take a fundamentalist view of the scriptures, and then themselves presume a fundamentalist view of those verses which they employ when they attempt to refute the Biblical narrative?
They are still problems with the text, whatever way you look at it. You can choose to ignore them, but they are still problems that should lead you to question the truthfulness of the scripture.
@kennethyakovac665 yeah, that doesn't mean it shouldn't be discussed or criticised though. There's not much else, but the bible, for Christians to go on, let's be honest.
@@oliverthompson9922 Other than the apocrypha, the many gnostic books, including other pseudopigeaphical works, the Dead Sea Scrolls, not to mention the Moabite Stone and Assyrian Tablets, etc. Admittedly, the latter two provide archaeological/historical support to the Bible rather than addressing theological claims regarding topics like "does God lie". Critical scholarship definitely has value. And it makes theose who are lazy thinkers in the denominational Churches have to think.
God is gracious and he will turn his life and light away from you on the day of judgement. From than on you will be spending eternity in darkness, complete silence and unimaginable pain. You will be cursing your mother for giving birth to your miserable life. But hey, God is gracious and will grant you the desires of your heart. Enjoy
For if God spared not the Angels that sinned, but cast them downe to hell, and deliuered them into chaines of darkenesse, to be reserued vnto iudgment:
Downe? Deliuered? Chaines? Darkenesse? Reserued? Vnto? Iudgment? You can't be speaking in tongues if you want people to understand your message. May the holy power of spellcheck guide you in all future endeavors.
The Bible is not christian, it's the shared Book of the three major monotheist religions wich are Judaism, Islamism and Christianism. What is exclusively christian is the Gospel, as well as the Quram is only muslim and the Torah is jew.
Verses claiming that god can or does lie are found at 1 Kings22:23, 2 Chronicles18:22, Jeremiah 4:10, Jeremiah 20:7, and Ezekiel 14:9 ….1Kings 22:23 And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a alying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also…2 Chronicles18:22 And the Lord said, Thou shalt entice him, and thou shalt also prevail: go out, and do even aso. 22 Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath aput a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil against thee…. Jeremiah4:10 Then said I, Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people and Jerusalem, saying, Ye shall have peace; whereas the sword reacheth unto the soul…. Jeremiah20:7 O Lord, thou hast a deceived me, and I was deceived: thou art stronger than I, and hast prevailed… Ezekiel14:9 "If the prophet is deceived and speaks a word, I, the LORD, have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand on him, and ...
Oh. Is that why Islam says God is the greatest of deceivers?
the list is much longer.
I had touched the hem of this topic very briefly when Live with The Kentucky Atheist yesterday. This was one of the things that accelerated my deconversion.
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1 Kings22:23, 2 Chronicles18:22: Syria conquered Ramoth Gilead and for three years there was peace between Israel and Syria. Then the two Israel Kings (north and south) decide to reclaim Ramoth Gilead from Syria. The protocol is to ask God for permission (and with His consent, succeed). Four hundred prophets say "Go!", but the southern King is not convinced and finds Micaiah, who tells the Kings, "The prophets are lying, king Ahab will die." The Kings choose the prophets word, not Micaiah and Ahab is killed in battle. We know King Ahab believed Micaiah because he disguised himself to avoid attention. God spoke the truth through Micaiah, even as He allowed a lying spirit to enter the prophets. The question is whether the Kings will believe God, or pursue their own desire.
Jeremiah4:10;20:7: God told Jeremiah to prophesy Israel's destruction, in complete contrast to all prophesies of Israel's 'safety and security'. Obviously everyone mocked and ridiculed him for pronouncing destruction and not peace and prosperity. And Jeremiah is confused, he expected God to give him words of peace and safety, but instead is told to predict death and destruction. It is Jeremiah's expectations that created the impression of God's deception/lies, not that God lied to him or Israel. Jeremiah is hoping that God has lied to him and Israel because he does not want God to destroy Israel and hopes that will not happen. It did, and that is when the Jews were scattered among the nations who have hated them since then. God kept His word to Jeremiah and vindicated his prophecies as true and factual.
Ezekiel14:9:
Therefore speak to them, and tell them, ‘Thus says the Lord Yahweh: “Every man of the house of Israel who takes his idols into his heart, and puts the stumbling block of his iniquity before his face, and comes to the prophet; I Yahweh will answer him therein according to the multitude of his idols; that I may take the house of Israel in their own heart, because they are all estranged from me through their idols.”’ (Eze 14:4-5 WEB)
So the deception God gives the prophet, is the prophet's/inquirer's own creation. The prophet/inquirer created his own moral standard which God then applies to him, i.e. speaks to the person according to the person's moral standard, not God's. It is the person's belief in lies that causes his destruction, not that God lied to him, but if the idol did exist and was real, it would say exactly the lie God tells the person. "You believe the idol, then here is what it says to you according to your belief system". Only God has life, not the idol, so God must speak for the idol as the Idol (the name YHWH means, "self existent', 'I am what I am', or, 'I will be what I will be', in this case He will be your Idol to your own destruction).
God tells the truth, "if you want lies, I will tell them to you, exactly as you define and believe in them."
The righteousness of the blameless will direct his way, but the wicked shall fall by his own wickedness. The righteousness of the upright shall deliver them, but the unfaithful will be trapped by evil desires. (Pro 11:5-6 WEB)
You choose to prove God a liar, so your lies will be your downfall. Do you wish to provide more 'evidence' of God lying because that is your truth, isn't it?
Christians "the bible has no flaws"
*points to obvious flaw* "You're cherry-picking!!"
We know it was written by Man with divine inspiration, we are not muslims to claim it has no flaws
@potocalter6207 you don't even know who wrote any of them. The gospels are anonymous. Even christian scholars agree.
@@davidspencer343 sure, Say they are "anonymous" but this doesnt mean its written director from God, thats islam with the quran
@potocalter6207 I'd go as far as to say neither come from god in any way it seems
[points to obvious flaw "You're cherry-picking!!"]
Cherry-picking what?
I noticed that if you're middle class and pray, God will heal you. But starving, abused babies and children around the world? Nah, he doesn't have time for that.
What when does it say that look at this verse Iam a father to the fatherless and mother to the motherless even in the Bible God has never wanted your money maybe it's because people buy into big corporate churches in asking for healing
Exactly! The Christian cult (which I know) who’s good in using Bible to middle class are good in getting donations and build new video studios about Jesus’s so and so stories for their fun, but no enjoyment to low class who are struggling everyday life😢where some can’t even purchase Bible.
Yes agree, the Christian cult I know is good in using Bible stories to middle class and asks for donations for a better video studios and museums to promote their org, but not every believers and outsiders can get to go to that new place cuz can’t afford the transportation where it’s located😅
@@lh1673 I understand brother you're plea many people give there money to big church pastors who promise them money by prayers and give false prophecy but that's not the Bibles problem as these people did not notice false prophets
@@orpheemulemo8053 In the Bible, God kills a married couple just because they didn't give all their money to the church
The writers made the lying spirit up to explain why the prophets were constantly being proven wrong.
How so
The prophets weren't in that time false prophets arose God chose his own true prophet so he caused the other prophets to stumble and confuse by putting a lying spirit in charge of their tongues so all they spoke is lies as they themselves lied
but if they lie then can they truly be called prophets?@@orpheemulemo8053
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@@christineveazey3705The problem, though, is that all those stories containing "correct diviners" where written after the events divined occurred which is the only reason they were correct in the first place. Any stories written about that happened before the events they divined and were wrong about gets the apologetic of the "lying spirit".
I think it's time to remove the tax-exempt status of American churches and use those funds for public education. Just imagine the impact on our schools if they were as well-funded as some mega-churches.
THIS
This is not a road you want to go down. Churches do not have any "special" exemption. Almost all of them are simply set up as 501(c)(3) non-profit corporations. Legally they are on the same footing as any other non-profit corporation. To remove the tax exemption for religious organizations would set a dangerous precedent which could be used to remove the tax exempt status of any non-profit organization that the government doesn't like.
@@whitemakesright2177 No, they are not like 501c3 non-profit corporations, in the sense that Churches don't have to open their books and prove their use like non-profits do. They don't have to sign up and meet all of the qualifications 501c3's do. They can of they're able, but they don't have to meet the 501c3 qualifications to be tax exempt.
@@botarakutabi1199 they are 501c3’s though. Just because they automatically qualify as tax exempt doesn’t change the fact they are a 501c3
You people want to defund everything you don’t like or agree with. Putting those funds into education would line the pockets of the same people miserably failing our kids as is. Public education needs to weed out the lunatics and hire better people who are competent. Not take money from churches so it can go from a dumpster fire to an over funded dumpster fire
The bible explicitly promises a long life if you honor your mother and father. There are many examples of this promise not being kept.
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God did not write the holy word...Man did. God wrote the commandments
Ditto: I can think of a few who did not live a long life and never failed to honor their father and mother. So my Baby Daughter never dishonored her mom and I and die din the womb at 8 1/2 months, so my brothers son never dishonored his parents before he was born and died just hours after birth. Same for my sister,; So one of the most righteous girls I went to school with, who no one could speak ill of died her senior year. I am sure others can think of people who did not dishonor their parents and did not live long lives. The Bible is raught with contradictions to say the least.
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You don’t understand Hebrew scripture obviously as you presented in your non-understanding fashion right here
A cult sees no lies
True 🙏
Then atheism qualifies with flying colors.
@@joestar6194How God simply did not lie
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Atheism is simply a position, on the lack of compelling evidence for deities. At least try to keep up
@@Radrook353 We are skeptical of the existence of anthropomorphic supreme beings.
That's a fact. If you can't accept that we are being honest about our skepticism (and giving plenty of reasons for it), then that's your problem.
What a complex world we live in where culture, history and identity all overlap.
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So true
It gets simpler if you remember that most things are tribe related and we are all in tribes within tribes.
I KIS by making reality as simple as possible, starting with reality itself. That being that it is the best possible reality at this point in time.
The Gnostic Christian reality.
Gnostic Christian Jesus said, "Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will reign over all.
[And after they have reigned they will rest.]"
"If those who attract you say, 'See, the Kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you.
If they say to you, 'It is under the earth,' then the fish of the sea will precede you.
Rather, the Kingdom of God is inside of you, and it is outside of you.
[Those who] become acquainted with [themselves] will find it; [and when you] become acquainted with yourselves, [you will understand that] it is you who are the sons of the living Father.
But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."
As you can see from that quote, if we see God's kingdom all around us and inside of us, we cannot think that the world is anything but evolving perfection. Most just don't see it and live in poverty. Let me try to make you see the world the way I do.
Here is a mind exercise. Tell me what you see when you look around. The best that can possibly be, given our past history, or an ugly and imperfect world?
Candide.
"It is demonstrable that things cannot be otherwise than as they are; for as all things have been created for some end, they must necessarily be created for the best end.”
That means that we live in the best of all possible worlds, because it is the only possible world, given all the conditions at hand and the history that got us here. That is an irrefutable statement given entropy and the anthropic principle.
Depending on who’s got the pen to document “history”, the correct word would be -overlap- smother😑
Love the one where He told Abraham told him to sacrifice his only son. And an angel, not God, told Abraham on the 11th hour that He was only kidding.
That’s what you get when you are juvenile, and actually just narrating your own narrative to a book written thousands of years ago in a language you do not understand
Isaac was a gifted child for a purpose. Obviously, you’re missing the point of the story why he would be demanded to be given up as Abraham refused to fulfill the purpose required for Isaac but obviously that’s lost on you as you don’t know Hebrew and you did not actually read the entire story and understand the purpose of its message.
@@Yosaif-Israel But he wasn't "given up", was he?
So, tell me, what was the point of the story then? Because, from the admittedly English translation of the story, God wanted to test Abraham if he would actually do it to show how faithful he is. And Abraham was, well, fine with the idea of killing his child because God told him to.
Side note: this also seemingly means that God is okay with child sacrifice.
@@iamfiefo then before I go into the lengthily biblical narrative, which begins at the beginning of the Genesis, as it’s consistent how come the text praises Abraham for not killing his son in the end so it seems you didn’t read it correctly or the English is really terrible
@@Yosaif-Israel It seems like God is rewarding Abraham for, you know, willing to go through with it. He didn't... but he would've done so _without any question or clarification_ if the angel didn't step in.
Wow, UA-cam queued-up a 45 second Scientology commercial themed "Think for yourself" during this MythVision episode. Irony is lost on the UA-cam Algorithm.
The keyword 'LIES' probably triggered it.
They probably pay extra for that kind of product placement. Algorithm is about making money.
I’ve had christian music and church events advertised when clicking on occult/satanist videos. SOMEONE’s got a sense of humor 😜
God Lies-
1 Kings 22:23, 2 Chronicles 18:22
"Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets.”
Jeremiah 4:10
“Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people.”
Jeremiah 20:7
“O Lord, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived.”
Ezekiel 14:9
“And if a prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet.”
2 Thessalonians 2:11
“For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.”
Even Jesus said he spoke in parables to prevent people from understanding him. I think digging deeper into the parables for his meanings is a legit thing but yeah. If you want to speak to humans, say what you mean
@@HeidiSue60
_"Even Jesus said he spoke in parables to prevent people from understanding him."_
Source?
Oh, and provide evidence that Jesus existed.
@@HeidiSue60
_"I think digging deeper into the parables for his meanings is a legit thing..."_
What does this mean?
“If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters - yes, even his own life - he cannot be my disciple."
(Luke 14:26-27)
@@humanistreformation
_"Ezekiel is a false prophet..."_
So was the fictional character known as Jesus-
Jesus said his return would be imminent - 2,000 years ago!
Jesus told his disciples that they would not die before his second coming:
"There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom".
(Matthew 16:28)
"Some of you standing here will not taste death until you see the Kingdom come with power."
(Mark 9:1-20)
"The time is fulfilled and the kingdom of God is at hand."
(Mark 1:15)
@@humanistreformation
_"Jesus was a huge fraud!"_
Jesus is a fictional character created by Paul in 48 AD after the Daniel 9:25 prophesy expired unfulfilled.
I love that these two scholars talk about characters from the Bible like they're old friends. Nothing speaks to a deep understanding of the texts more than that. Thanks Derek for facilitating all this!
This sending of false spirits and the sacrifice story of Abraham and Isaac always were sticking points for me even when I believed in the bible
The whole point of that story we to test Abrahams resolve and he didn't do it any way like what and he didn't send deceiving spirits to Good people these Guys were clearly bad maybe you don't know this has happened before with the Tower of babel we're he confused the language of the in habitants
LOVE IT! And, glad to see Kip even though I saw a title that said he left us! ♥
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I clearly remember when it completely hit me that Yahweh absolutely was not the God I'd been told, nor the loving God Christ taught, but he was a terrible god with serious issues, and I could never return to thinking he was again... I was sitting in church, as usual. Hahaha. I believe in a God above other gods, but not this personified being, not the last 35 years. I refer to this source, this force, this all in all as The God, to make an easy reference. But since that day, I knew I'd find answers explaining much more and different from this religious dogma. I'm far more satisfied being a Spiritual person, rather than a religious person. I've extremely enjoyed all these different studies and research that I've found over all these years. And I appreciate it every bit. 👍🙏💜
We Are MythVision
No, no, no!
We.
Are.
Mythvision.
@@stevenbatke2475 ok ok 😁😂
@@stevenbatke2475 Derek does that shit just to piss me off. He's such a goofy troll 😂
@@marcomoreno6748 the more dramatic he says it, the funnier it is ;)
Yaoldaboath is Yaveh
The prince of lies
“This world is his”
The demented narcissistic usurper
The Demiurge
Once you accept this fact it ALL makes perfect sense
BTW loved the dynamic of this round table
You guys looked like you where having a blast
Any thoughts on negative utilitarianism?
Well I'm a Christian and I actually am more in line with what Marcion says.... I do not believe that is the God Jesus was speaking about at all. Love your channel
The folks in the Old Testament were, by definition, not Christians.
Ge2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for *_in the day that thou eatest thereof_* thou shalt surely die.
... but they didn't. did they? Why didn't God say "in the day that thou eatest thereof I shall surely boot you out of the garden"? Because God lied. But not everybody in that story lies ...
Ge3:2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
Ge3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
Ge3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
Ge3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened
So the serpent told the truth; God lied!
One question I have you... will you die eventually
@@user-nq9uo2rw9n but God didn't say "You shall surely die" - not according to the KJV Bible, anyway - he said ...
Ge2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
Ge2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for *_in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die._*
Get it? "IN THE DAY that thou eatest thereof" Not "if thou eatest of it, thou shalt die eventually"
As to whether I will eventually die - that rates as one of the stupidest questions I have ever been asked. Next, you'll ask if I pay taxes. (It is said that life holds only two certainties - death and taxes.)
However, do not let this escape your notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah* as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day.
2 Peter 3:8
God didn't lie
Adam didn't even live one complete day.
Genesis 5:5
That narrative is completely destroyed.
@@TheSweetScience123 ... and when you try to win an argument by quoting the Bible to me, your narrative is destroyed (in my eyes) at that point. I believe that the Bible was written by men - God didn't come down, take up pen and paper (or chisel and rock, or whatever, and write it himself. And when men write, they write what they want other people to believe - they put down on paper (or rock, or clay tablets, etc) their vested interests - or maybe you really do believe that Adam was chatted up by a snake - and that the earth was flooded so that all the high montains were covered? Where did the flood waters go to? They didn't run to the sea like most floods do - because they *were* the sea - and you believe that in the Tower of Babel incident, there was a huge population, all speaking different languages (migrant workers) despite one of Noah's sons still being alive that that point? The Bible narratives simply don't hang together to make logical sense. When you are reading iot, be skeptical. Just like when you read anythiong else, don't just accept everything, but THINK!
However, as *_you_* appear to believe in the veracity of the Bible, this should convince you that Adam didn't die on the day he was born (or made from clay, already adult) ...
Ge5:3 And Adam lived *_an hundred and thirty years,_* and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:
Ge5:4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were *_eight hundred years:_* and he begat sons and daughters:
Ge5:5 And all the days that Adam lived were *_nine hundred and thirty years:_* and he died.
That seems like mor than a day! He was quite a guy - making progeny at more than 130 years! The Bible completely ignores his wife, but she must have been quite extraordinary too - giving birth at that age.
So even though I don't put any credence in the Bible, it seems that its arithmetic is OK. 130 + 800 = 930. However, I don't believe that any human being has lived 930 years! I don't know how they measured a year, but it was a much shorter period than the year we use now. Maybe it was by the moon. 930 / 13 = 71.5 which is more acceptable - but even that doesn't pan out in all cases. It would mean that some of the Bible characters conceived children at less than 7 years of age.
@@user-nq9uo2rw9n No answer to my last comment? So do you now agree that according to Genesis, God lies? He's supposed to be almighty, and to be able to forsee the future - so either (1) he can't see the future, and is not what he's cracked up to be, or (2) The Bible makes an inaccurate statement, in which case, it can't be entirely trusted, or (3) God lied.
Which is it in your opinion?
On the other hand,
Ge3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, *_Ye shall not surely die:_*
Ge3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
Ge3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
Ge3:7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked;
So having concluded who lied, who told the truth? Acording to biblical text, it all happened pretty much h0ow the serpent said it would.
Also, as a matter of interest, ...
Ge3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life
How did snakes get around before they were told to crawl on their belly? They haven't got arms or legs. And they don't eat dust - another lie.
7:25
I had a 'discussion' with my uncle who is a black Hebrew Israelite and said something similar to this when I said God commanded spirit to go and become a lying spirit and possess people.
He really went and said that wasn't a command The spirit was just begging him to do it and he allowed it to go.
Mind you, he can admit that YHWH is the head and commander of the heavenly army and that he will issue commands, but that little interaction right there did not count as a command. 🤦♂️
I told him it's things like this is why I don't trust preachers or a lot of religious folk. I don't know What he got more offended by, me saying that (since I used to be the Golden child biblical scholar of the family) or me calling him a Christian.
They are enclosed to their doctrines. An open minded person will find more truth than the opposite. Pastors usually warms them about not hearing someone else and to always be careful whom they listen to 😅
I’m right there with you. My intense, truth-seeking journey had actually began because I wanted to an even closer relationship with God. I will say this, while my journey eventually led me away from Christianity, I DO feel “closer” (better understanding, and peace) to the source of all. And I learned THAT is what Jesus was trying to do, too. Jesus was trying to wake everyone up from the deception of the “God” of the Old Testament, who is NOT the most high source of all life. And then Paul came along, and totally undermined Jesus’s true Essene teachings. He was the wolf in sheep’s clothing. Christians are just followers of Paul’s teachings, and don’t even know Jesus’s big-picture message. The Bible is trash; it was written with “the lying pen of the scribes”.
They know but choose to ignore. You show them the lies and they just ignore and say oh that's out of context.
It's also interesting to note the Micaiah got punched in the face by one of the other prophets for revealing the lie.
You can get punched in the face too. They did the same. Thing to the king of Israel Micah 5
😮Interesting and quiet BAFFLING How Christians Refuse to see GOD HIMSELF CREATED EVIL. Even tho its plain as day in the Bible that includes the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. So GOD Is the CAUSE Of all of the SUFFERING In the World.
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Wonderful discussion. A pleasure to get to see it. Thank you
Ahab's sin was the worst one a king can commit. He was not a winner.
Thought it was worshiping Baal
So how do we sack God?
Impeachment?
I are also MythVision just sitting here by myself! 😉 👵 ❤
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I wonder if being able to synthesize different meanings from the same text is similar to the phenomenon of seeing faces in nature
Pareidolia
Could be like Music theory or ear training. When you start out you’re struggling to just execute the passage (get it’s plain meaning) but as your exposed to more music, themes, internalize them etc it’s not so much that new information is added so much as your greater depth of familiarity allows you to see the same material with different layers of depth.
For a subjective art form such as music or poetry this is amazing. When trying to use an ancient text to proscribe moral behavior, this obviously becomes a horrific issue.
Love love love this! Love the storm cloud in the background too…. Slight reference to the storm deity Yahweh .. lol 😉
God doesn't lie because, well, there is no God... 🤔
i believe there is a God. But it's definitely not yhwh
So you are saying everything came into existence from nothing (which is scientifically impossible) is more rational than to think, someone created this world? Can you give me arguments why this would make sense?
the God of the Old Testament and New Testament aren’t the same
Why does Jesus say everything in the Old Testament is true then?
That's not the narrative that won, sorry...
@@DocReasonableHe doesn’t
'For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass , one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from Mosaic law, till all be fulfilled.' Jesus, in Matt 5 18@@DrewClark-ov5up
@@DrewClark-ov5up What was every jot and tittle referring to then? He at least said you have to follow ALL the old laws.
No, to the contrary. Jesus came down in the flesh to sacrifice Himself for mankind, including you and me. Sarcasm and scoffing God will not change the truth. Proverbs 21:24. I really feel sorry for you guys and I mean it. 😢
Truth is what the facts are. Truth is that which can be demonstrated to comport with reality. Please demonstrate the truth of your claims, or accept you spoke dishonestly. Claiming truth without knowing it's true.
All these books of the OT. What outside Biblical evidence is available for the actual factual, historical existence of the prophets? Like Isaiah Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Amos, etc. etc.
Books named after these so called divinely inspired men.
What proof do we have outside of scriptures and traditions that these men were prophets and actually existed??
Its hard to provide proof of people like that existing when you're going that far back in time and with the way people wrote back in the day.
That being said, we do know for a fact that Daniel was fake due to the way the earliest manuscripts were written (different styles of handwriting among other things). Then there's the fact that the book gets supposedly contemporary details very wrong but gets certain bits of the "future" right with the accuracy getting significantly worse the further it goes.
There were prophets who were supposedly contemporary with Daniel who wrote about each other but never had a thing to say about Daniel.
True, but they are very far in history… archeological evidence didn’t find anything about them.. myths…
Yah was angry at Ahab and the Israelites because they worshipped pagan gods. The israelites also worshipped Moloch and sacrificed children to this false god. That was one of the final straws that led to the Israelites being scattered from the promised land.
I'd like to know more about Yahweh BEFORE his manipulation as ethno-nationalistic god. It's a shame we don't know much more.
You can check out billy Carson. He researched alot of ancient texts and papyrus and stone tablets( the origins of the bible) also research the annunaki, after you do all the pieces of the puzzle will come together. There were many clever deities that posed as gods. That is why the bible is so confusing and hypocritical
@@patrickhein9470 That looks more like speculative scifi than historically based. I'm greek latin history and philology bachelor, so he doesn't satisfy my methodological standards.
@emanuelemarian242 I get it. You been taught something and embrace it whole heartedly. I was raised Christian and alot didn't make sense to me. After learning many things and trying to put things together, I have learned most things taught are lies.
The stories that were written many millenia ago make sense. We were created by other intelligent beings. It explains the gap in evolution as well as the oddities in our DNA. Science has proven these tablets to be factual.
Explain to me how ancient texts supposedly made up by ancient civilizations described our solar system in details that today's space exploration has confirmed. The texts also explain how the earth was created by a collision of planets and the asteroid belt. Nobody new about the asteroid belt until recently. Nobody knew that Neptune was spinning on a horizontal axis. Pluto was discovered just recently. But these texts talked about them all in detail. Saturn's rings and Jupiter's massive storms. They spoke of Mars when it still had atmosphere and water. There is no way it is sci-fi.
@@patrickhein9470 tablets are much more boring than that. They're are interesting for the history scholar, whom gets quite aroused by things most people find almost insignificant. For most of other, common, people a willing misinterpretation creates a similar effect through a fictional unexpected shrouded in mistery. It works because it sells a lot outside specialists' bubble.
I wish there were less sarcasm and jokes and more serious discussion. I am a fan of all the presenters. It is so challenging to follow the train of thought in between the giggles and laughter as they discuss the topic. I like all of you and had to add my two cents.
Yeah. They better have their giggles and sarcasm and enjoy it to the fullest whilst they and all other atheists are still alive. After their death, there will only be gnashing of theeth and tears. No use I qoute Bible verses as you don't believe the truth contained therein. You can mock the God of the Bible and followers of Jesus Christ as much as you like, but it will not stop true believers from believing in Christ. I really feel sorry for you guys. Pity you can't talk to Marilyn Mary O'Hare at this point in time before you die. She "sings" a different tune now than when she was alive.
@@jskok3280 Got any evidence that dead people gnash their teeth and cry tears?
What proof do you have that your claims are true? @@jskok3280
@@jskok3280 Do you care whether the things you believe are true?
@marcomoreno6748 - Thanks for your response, Marco. In fact, I do. I surmise that you are an atheist. It's your right to believe or not to believe in anything. If you are indeed an atheist, then it serves no purpose that I quote from the Bible or explain any other extra Biblical encounters that I have had with the Holy Spirit over the years. The reason is that nothing that I say will convince you. That which I encounter on a daily basis(and so do millions of true christians) can not be understood with one's intellect or by means of scientific research or physical evidence because it happens on a spiritual level. The spiritual sphere falls outside the physical realm and preceeds the latter. Hence, it can only be descerned and understood spiritually. Regards.
What a handsome tie my Josh is wearing!
*your* josh? 🤨
@@marcomoreno6748 OOPS!
@@marcomoreno6748 Nice of you to call to my attention!!
We know who the REAL LIAR is. Calling God a Liar is blaspheming the Holy Spirit and THAT is a BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIG NO -NO!!!!
Spooooky threats 😱
Of course, if you look at the context, Ahab and his wife Jezebel were both pitiful and corrupt.
The Bible is an easy target to discredit. It can be misinterpreted and used by those who do not understand it and are ignorant of its language and ways it describes events and stories. But to those who see beyond all this alleged lies, the Bible and especially the New Testament give us hope for the future of humanity, it shows reality as it is, but it also shows how the Almighty works through that reality to accomplish a work of perfection that only He can do. Sin and evil became a part of His creation because of His creatures but the Almighty is using these elements as tools to makes us better, just as He used in the Old Testament the treason of Joseph brothers who sold him to merchants and later he was imprisoned, to keep people from dying from a famine about to come, the Almighty is using sin and evil for good. Jesus was also a victim of these evil but the Almighty used his rejection and death to rescue humanity from the power of sin. As we read in Revelation, the Almighty will be victorious and His desires will be done as He has purposed no matter the opposition, He will conquer death, which is the last enemy humanity is facing, He will do it for us.
I love Dr. Bowen’s bow tie!!! 🤩🤩🤩
In the bible, YHVH or Yahweh lies, he is not the father of Jesus/Yeshua. YHVH is an evil god of duality, actually one of the elohim that the Most High appointed over Israel/Jacob according to the bible. He most definitely repays evil with evil, a god of just recompense, Jesus nor His Father are like that and this mixing of the two into one "god" is fundamentally the issue with Christianity and their "view" of "god".
Is what you're saying any different than 2nd Century Gnosticism or are you just iterating a Gnostic world view?
I’m iterating what’s written in the text.
Elohim, The Mighty one, Archangel Micheal the Angel of the Lord mentioned so often in scripture, Yahweh is Satan, nothing to do with God,Saints are Greek, Septuagint was the original bible, why they always give you the Greek translation, ORIGINAL language obviously, Solomon's temple built by Hiram Abiff Satan himself,Titus was the Chrestus author of All biblical scripture, Greek, Jesus was the Greek word for saviour, Titus said when he crucified Jesus Lucifer,My God my God why have you forsaken me, classic, Pontius meaning God of the sea, Pilate meaning armed with a dart, Titus's satire, Titus says in the NT I'll make you fisherman of men, Titus aka Paul says Titus my ONE TRUE son in the faith, there's a clue in that statement, Titus was Ra Sol the creator, why he gave them Sol invictus to worship on the 25th December when the Sun resurrects again after 3 days, Titus's satire.
Your conclusion is what happens when you take it all literally. That's why Marcion said The Father is not the god of the OT, but is an evil deity.
@@jericosha2842 yeah I’m not into Marcionism. The text is written as it is and unless Everything virtually is metaphor or Jesus was a liar… He is against YHVH. He plainly told the Israelites their father was not his and it was YHVH who they worshipped then and today.
IF God really looked like that intro picture... I don't know how I'd feel about that :(
Interesting seeing Kip on this channel. He was taken to task by Carrier and The Godless Engineer about the Historicity of Jesus. Kip seems like a pretty cool guy. Good content!
My question is....do you believe any of this stuff? Elohim/Annunaki, Enki, Enlil? Were those stories taken from even earlier stories not yet found? How much of this do you think is/was real? If any.
Criticism may not be the best way to win over an audience. This channel isn't exactly breaking any records. With all due respect.
Mesopotamia is the cradle of false religion. This is when men began to claim to be Gods. Twisting the truth just like these guys.
This channel is one in long line of religious sensationalism that has zero desire for truth, just entertainment for profit. ( prophet).
Easy. Because they've already accepted faith and belief. Meaning, they've accepted lies blindly.
the concept of god or gods is nonsense. I realized it at 13yrs old when I was forced to read the bible.
THAT'S PROBABLY WHY THEY USE THE TERM:
" *THE BIBLE CODEX* "
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do an episode about the remote listening ability for the writers of the bible. how they can get within earshot of a conversation that is [allegedly] happening hundreds or even thousands of miles away.
One because of the holy spirit or God to because these are famous events peoples words are repreated and some things in the Bible are pretty famous like the prophecy of the star of David which talks about king bringing someone to curse Israel but could not why because God was with archeological digging found the prophecy of the star written on ancient paper or something so what does it mean that the story became famous so Israel picked up what happened and wrote it down
@@orpheemulemo8053 and then theres about a hundred private conversations between various rival kingdom's kings in private conversation that are recounted time and time again.
"holy spirit" is slang for "i made it up" btw
@@siecheil He didn't make it up learn history these countries the Bible talks about not only exist each in some point went to war with Israel the Book of kings is called by archeologist one of the most hysterical books ever because it's easily trace back you should actually go and major in history before you start talking or watch this channel Bible expedition
@@orpheemulemo8053 some do. many dont. there was no group named "ashkenaz" living in armenia. theres actually little to no archaelogical or contemporary evidence for much of the people, places, names, cities, towns, kingdoms, wars, and events described in the bible. the enslavement and exodus from egypt is a great example. the kingdom of jerusalem wasnt even a kingdom so much as it was a few mudhuts. the architecture itself was really built by the romans and various other civilized peoples who presided over the inhabitants. dont you watch this channel? thats not even taking into account the supernatural elements. to be fair, there are accurate historical events too, but theyre often overshadowed by overly exaggerated, biased, and completely nonsensical accounts when they do manage to get something right. even the new testament is riddled with factual errors that wouldnt have been made by people living in judea during the time they claimed to be witnessing events unfold. referring to pilate as a procurator rather than a prefect is one such case. theres thousands of mistakes and this guy makes a career out of pointing mamy of them out.
@@orpheemulemo8053 im very much learned in history, its how i know the vast majority of the events are nonsense. and the ones they do manage to get right often are exagerrated, erroneous (i.e. times, places, etc) or otherwise unreliable. i wrote out a much longer reply but youtube censored it so im just gonna leave this comment as is. maybe itll get through the filters, maybe it wont.
It's good because God does it sounds like Trump saying,if the president does it it's legal.
A law and order ruler and rule breaker who is himself above the law. Romans 13 shows him to be an avatar of God, the scofflaw Hammurabi.
Great to hear from these two experts. Their knowledge and understanding is fantastic, esp. Dr. Bowen!
They dont want to see it. They choose or are conditioned or programmed to filter out the realities of life.
God is never lie. Because the spirit of truth is the God. Jesus is the holispirit, that's why he is not God. But he said, the spirit of truth will come after me
GOD DOESN'T LIE! God of Universe Who created everything does not have a throat to speak as humans. People who dare to speak or write from the name of God are lying .
Amazing video man good job
[Framing the problem]:
*It is impossible for a contradictory thing to be true.*
A non-contradictory thing could be true or false, depending on context, but at least has the *possibility* of being true.
❌️Contradictory Theology, Mathematics and Physics (Knowing Good; Functions; limit built into every operation)❌️:
1. The Genesis 1 character and the Genesis 2 character are the exact same character.
2. Zero is not fundamental and nonzero numbers are fundamental (Newton/Einstein calculus).
3. 0D is not locally real and 1D, 2D, 3D, 4D are locally real (Newton/Einstein physics).
✅️Non-contradictory Theology, Mathematics and Physics (Knowing Good from Evil; Relations defined by constraints; limit is a separate operation)✅️:
1. The Genesis 1 character and the Genesis 2 character are polar opposite characters.
2. Zero is fundamental and nonzero numbers are not fundamental (Leibniz calculus).
3. 0D is locally real and 1D, 2D, 3D, 4D are not locally real (Leibniz physics).
[🐴Materialism/Empiricism💩 version of Religion]:
Interpreting the Bible with the Genesis 1 character and the Genesis 2 character as the exact same character generates near 70,000 contradictions (see reason project) and requires heavy apologetics. A Bible interpretation which includes near 70,000 contradictions (impossible to be true) is what a snake-oil salesman would sell you. 🐍
[🐶Materialism/Empiricism💩 version of Science]:
The standard model of physics is Einstein's 3+1 space-time, which are considered locally real, where 0 is considered not locally real...been that way since Newton for zero vs nonzero numbers.
Problem is...quantum physics proved the observable universe (1D, 2D, 3D and 4D) is actually not locally real...and that was over a year ago!
(Yes, Leibniz was correct after all.) 🦧
[Layman's terminology of locally real vs not locally real]:
locally real = more real (Leibniz said "necessary")
not locally real = less real (Leibniz said "contingent")
[Closing arguments]:
The Materialism/Empiricism package brings with it all the contradictions, false dichotomies, paradoxes and literally "life's biggest questions". It's been a year why is everyone still using Logic, Calculus and Geometry that is contradictory at the most fundamental level?
If both Religion and Science removed their "Materialist/Empiricist-perspective shades 👓" (which hasn't been true for a year) and put on their "Realist-perspective shades 👓" (which has been true for a year) they would not only cease to argue...they'd agree with each other (world first 🪙).
[infinity and zero, God, soul]:
in·fin·i·ty
MATHEMATICS
a number greater than any assignable quantity or countable number (symbol ∞).
(In counting numbers 0 is the subject where positive integers "1, 2, 3 and 4 etc" are the objects).
What is the meaning of zero in Webster's dictionary?
a. : the arithmetical symbol 0 or 0̸ denoting the absence of all magnitude or quantity.
b. : additive identity. specifically : the number between the set of all negative numbers and the set of all positive numbers.
Zero is the most important number in mathematics and is both a real and an imaginary number with a horizon through it.
Zero-dimensional space is the greatest dimension in physics and is both a real and an imaginary dimension with an event horizon through it.
Isn't⚡God⚡supposed to be outside of space (1D, 2D, 3D) and time (4D)?
Well, 0D is outside of space and time:
0D (not-natural) = dimensionless and timeless
1D, 2D, 3D (natural) = spatial dimensions
4D (natural) = temporal dimension
Read Leibniz's Monadology 📖 and consider that the Monad is the zero-dimensional space binding our quarks together with the strong force (it is). The other side of the Monad is Monos (Alone) and this side is Monas (Singularity) and there's an event horizon between them. So El/Elohim or Theos/Logos etc pick your language.
Quarks are dimensionless (no size) and timeless (not-natural). The two main quark spin configs two-down, one-up (subatomic to neutron) and two-up, one-down (subatomic to proton) could easily be construed as the male (upward facing trinity) and female (downward facing trinity) image that Elohim made us in during Genesis 1.
Quarks (no spatial extension) experience all 3 fundamental forces plus have a fractional electric charge⚡and that's why protons and neutrons (spatial extension) have electrons orbiting around them.
In Geometry any new dimension has to contain within it all previous dimensions. This holds true with it being impossible for protons and neutrons (spatial extension) to exist without subatomically containing within themselves quarks (no spatial extension).
"Something (spatial extension) from Nothing (no spatial extension)".
A) The postulated soul, 👻, has
1. no spatial extension
2. zero size
3. exact location only
B) Quarks are mass with no size measured in Megaelectron Volts. Mass with no size is a unique equation in that it has no spatial extension.
Conclusion: A and B are the same thing.
[Important point 👉 (dont forget)]:
0D (zero) is different from 1D-10D (nonzero) because 0D is a not-natural dimension whereas 1D-10D are natural dimensions.
0D monad (Creator event horizon)
1D, 2D, 3D are spatial (space) dimensions
1D line
2D width
3D height
4D, 5D, 6D are temporal (time) dimensions
4D length
5D breadth
6D depth
7D, 8D, 9D are spectral (energy) dimensions
7D continuous
8D emission
9D absorption
10D black hole (Destroyer event horizon)
It is impossible for anything 1D-9D to approach 0D or 10D due to their event horizons. 10D contains a placeholder 0 (not locally real) for its event horizon. Only 0D is locally real on this side.
The other side of the event horizon at the zero-of yourself (near horizon) is God.
The other side of the event horizon of a black hole (far horizon) is not God.
Anything we know about black holes (Destroyer) we know the opposite of that is true for monads (Creator).
It's a mirror universe with 0D at the center. This side (Elohim; Singularity) is contingent and less real (the natural dimensions anyway) and the other side (El; Alone) is necessary and more real (pretty sure the entirety of the other side remains locally real or "more real")
The zero-of ourselves (more real 👻) was made by the Holy Trinity (Elohim; possessive; God's) in Genesis 1 which should not be confused with the Unholy Trinity (Elohim; plural; gods) in Genesis 2-3 who constantly messes with the 1D, 2D, 3D parts of us (less real 🤷♂️).
Blind fool Yah Tsebaoth (Yaldabaoth) is chief of the false Elohim. "the LORD of the gods", or "smartest retard".
[Monad in philosophy/cosmogony]:
Monad (from Greek μονάς monas, "singularity" in turn from μόνος monos, "alone") refers, in cosmogony, to the Supreme Being, divinity or the sum "I am" of all things.
The concept was reportedly conceived by the Pythagoreans and may refer variously to a single source acting alone, or to an indivisible origin, or to both.
The concept was later adopted by other philosophers, such as Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz, who referred to the Monad as an *elementary particle.*
It had a *geometric counterpart,* which was debated and discussed contemporaneously by the same groups of people.
[In this speculative scenario, let's consider Leibniz's *Monad,* from the philosophical work "The Monadology", as an abstract representation of *the zero-dimensional space that binds quarks together* using the strong nuclear force]:
1) Indivisibility and Unity: Monads, as indivisible entities, mirror the nature of quarks, which are deemed elementary and indivisible particles in our theoretical context. Just as monads possess unity and indivisibility, quarks are unified in their interactions through the strong force.
2) Interconnectedness: Leibniz's monads are interconnected, each reflecting the entire universe from its own perspective. In a parallel manner, the interconnectedness of quarks through the strong force could be metaphorically represented by the interplay of monads, forming a web that holds particles together.
3) Inherent Properties: Just as monads possess inherent perceptions and appetitions, quarks could be thought of as having intrinsic properties like color charge, reflecting the inherent qualities of monads and influencing their interactions.
4) Harmony: The concept of monads contributing to universal harmony resonates with the idea that the strong nuclear force maintains harmony within atomic nuclei by counteracting the electromagnetic repulsion between protons, allowing for the stability of matter.
5) Pre-established Harmony: Monads' pre-established harmony aligns with the idea that the strong force was pre-designed to ensure stable interactions among quarks, orchestrating their behavior in a way that parallels the harmony envisaged by Leibniz.
6) Non-Mechanical Interaction: Monads interact non-mechanically, mirroring the non-mechanical interactions of quarks through gluon exchange. This connection might be seen as a metaphorical reflection of the intricacies of quark-gluon dynamics.
7) Holism: The holistic perspective of monads could symbolize how quarks, like the monads' interconnections, contribute holistically to the structure and behavior of particles through the strong force interactions.
[Monad in mathematics, science and technology]:
Monad (biology), a historical term for a simple unicellular organism
Monad (category theory), a construction in category theory
Monad (functional programming), functional programming constructs that capture various notions of computation
Monad (homological algebra), a 3-term complex
Monad (nonstandard analysis), the set of points infinitesimally close to a given point
"Some first follow the true Savior but then turn away to worship a dead man." - the revelation of Peter
THE WORLD RULER TRIES TO KILL ME
And then a voice of the world ruler came to the angels: “I am god and there is no other god but me.” But I laughed joyfully when I examined his conceit. But he went on to say, “Who is the human?”
And the entire host of his angels who had seen Adam and his dwelling were laughing at his smallness. And thus did their thought come to be removed outside the majesty of the heavens, away from the human of truth, whose name they saw, since he is in a small dwelling place. They are foolish and senseless in their empty thought, namely, their laughter, and it was contagion for them.
The whole greatness of the fatherhood of the spirit was at rest in its places. And I was with him, since I have a thought of a single emanation from the eternal ones and the unknowable ones, undefiled and immeasurable. I placed the small thought in the world, having disturbed them and frightened the whole multitude of the angels and their ruler. And I was visiting them all with fire and flame because of my thought.
And everything pertaining to them was brought about because of me. And there came about a disturbance and a fight around the seraphim and cherubim, since their glory will fade, and there was confusion around Adonaios on both sides and around their dwelling, up to the world ruler and the one who said, “Let us seize him.” Others again said, “The plan will certainly not materialize.” For Adonaios knows me because of hope. And I was in the mouths of lions. And as for the plan that they devised about me to release their error and their senselessness, I did not succumb to them as they had planned. And I was not afflicted at all.
Those who were there punished me, yet I did not die in reality but in appearance, in order that I not be put to shame by them because these are my kinsfolk. I removed the shame from me, and I did not become fainthearted in the face of what happened to me at their hands. I was about to succumb to fear, and I suffered merely according to their sight and thought so that no word might ever be found to speak about them.
For my death, which they think happened, happened to them in their error and blindness, since they nailed their man unto their death. Their thoughts did not see me, for they were deaf and blind. But in doing these things, they condemn themselves. Yes, they saw me; they punished me.
It was another, their father, who drank the gall and the vinegar; it was not I. They struck me with the reed; it was another, Simon, who bore the cross on his shoulder. It was another upon whom they placed the crown of thorns. But I was rejoicing in the height over all the wealth of the rulers and the offspring of their error, of their empty glory. And I was laughing at their ignorance.
It's very interesting to read these comments below. This atheistic religion is just as dogmatic as some Christians I know. As a believer in the one that rose again, how could mortal man ever know for sure. We could argue back and forth forever and still never really know. Even though science has tried to create life from non-life, still the mystery goes on. The precision of the universe is fascinating to comprehend, with so far no scientific answer. Fun to watch the other sides obsession with what you would call "a fabricated story." I guess the bottom line is, we all have to make a living some way.
Strange in New Testament Christianity the devil is a liar.
Even in the stories they knew their gods knew what GOD IS.
I was raised a Christian so i don't understand why Christians don't accept the fact that Abram was a Chaldean. Even Judaism came from multiple gods. Even Abraham is saying this one is ours.
Biblically, there's no dividing line between good and evil, as the Bible references "the evil spirit of the Lord, but, more importantly, there's no dividing line between true and false either. In fact, it might be easier for the comparatively innocent Satan to be good and tell the truth.
Satan lies. He hates us.
That's your god
09:30 is this lying allowed because of Tikkun olam?
Jews did not give permission to Rome to copy their books and add to them 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The blind leading the blind 🫣
The assassination of King Ahab, the greatest king of ancient kingdom of Israel, always bothered me.
King Ahab was known to be among the worst kings, because of the FALSE WORSHIP!!!
1 Kings 16:30-33
You obviously don't study the scriptures, just like these other people here. You are all so easily fooled by these clowning trash creators. I destroy their false narrative with ease, because I study seeking truth.
Just read:
1 Kings 16:30-33
@@TheSweetScience123Read the actual historical accounts, instead of the opinions of the scribes who wrote the hebrew bible.
@@illusiveman8027 I quoted directly from the Bible. What are you talking about? Again 1 Kings 16:30-33 King Ahab was known as the worst of the kings because of his worship of false gods. Read it and humble yourself, as you are terribly wrong.
Thank you all, so very much, for doing these shows. I like to find the answers to the hard questions myself, but its validating to hear that others are finding the awareness hidden in the scriptures. Yaull are in the right path, but never stop asking questions..Please continue on the path and dont stop asking questions... there is so much more to be found.
Look inside yourselves and try to find the Understanding behind "They took wives of their choosing"... Im a decent looking guy and I have the freedom to take a wife of my choosing. 😮
You guys should know the Bible talks about a lot of things happening in history not all does the Bible agree with morally but those things happened and the fact the Bible is true is it doesn't lie to you that those things happened example the cannanites were a tribe near Israel that worshipped mollech they did so by burning there children alive and you know what God said those who sacrifice their children will be put to death not anyone who helps him God's anger will be upon him don't look for things to be angry at God also God hasn't lied once in the Bible
Think of any great cinematic movie, it's the lies that amuse us most before the truth captivates us.
Even with the existence of God, man created in His image still has absolute control of the narrative. History is written by the victor. Myths and legends most times tell the thuths that the victims are bound to suppress.
Ecclesiastes 1:7-9. If we realize the repetition we can except this existence like de jah vu. Everything Is NOW.
Your mistake is assuming every god in the Bible portrayed as God actually is God.
Jesus called it too when he told the pharisees...."You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies."
God does not lie but people do.
Sure
@ responsibility: first the bible was written by men! Men can be manipulated by desires . Do you think that those 400 prophets were RIGHTEOUS MEN CHOSEN BY? IT TOOK SEVEN GENERATIONS FROM ADAM BEFORE ONE RIGHTEOUS MAN COMES. PLEASE. USE THE BRAIN YOU WERE GIVEN
1kings 22:23 doesn’t have “The Lord” lying but rather giving permission to a spirit to lie to the prophets.
2 Chronicles 18:22 is retelling of 1kings 22:23
Jeremiah 4:10 is a prophecy about the coming judgment on Israel to go into captivity in Babylon …the mentioning of Jeremiah saying God deceived was because the priest in Israel was telling the king to not worry basically where Jeremiah was a true prophet telling the truth of what God showed him.
Jeremiah 20:7 the prophet is saying he is being made fun of and not respected because of what God told him what to say to the people of Israel and since the people don’t believe Jeremiah they think he’s a joke.
Ezekiel 14:9 is a condition of one who turns to another god and the persuades another prophet of god to follow after the other god … and as an example to be a sign to Israel he will allow them to co tongue and cut them off from Israel ….
Based on the context ….i don’t think God is a liar. In fact I think according to the text he did exactly what he said he would do as you see later on when you continue to read.
What's with the tie? Is he trying to make a statement?
God doesn't lie. God didn't write the bible. Liars did.
I don’t see how this is a problem, God has sovereignty over all things including whether someone should live and die. He’s completely justified to kill anyone at any moment.
Yet he can’t lie? Why not? Because you want to know everything? He might be lying about his promises? He clearly does it for humanities best interest. And he hasn’t broken a promise from what I have seen.
When god is made up by humans, of course "he" can do anything including lying, murder, deceit, hate...
God allows for deception in the context of wrath. He does not lie himself. and to evoke the Euthyphro dilemma is really confused.
God needs therapy. And a restraining order.
Wrath is a sin
Ahab was a dictator not a King annointed by Yahweh
So Ahav was the most sinful king ever, if you factor it in your reading may change. He was meant to die at this war but not the good king
25:59 + a minor verse (1 Kings 20;35) Because you have not obeyed the Lord (didnt hit/ injure the prophet), as soon as you leave me a lion will kill you.” And after the man went away, a lion found him and killed him.
fanfiction at its greatest
In Judges 1:19 , YHVH is afraid of Iron wagons.
God will be acquitted of this accusation that he's been lying. Simply because all these accusations were simply taken from stories in scriptures that God never wrote in the first place.
God never lied because he has never said nor done anything. It is a vacuously true statement. The monsters under my bed have never lied, either.
Samaria is a city in northern Israel made into the capital, much like Jerusalem is the capital of Judea but the region is not called Jerusalem!
Was Daniel written in the 600s BCE or 200s BCE? I thought Dr. Josh said 6th century in this video. I've been watching so many ancient scholarship videos I'm losing track. 😊
You shall get to know the truth and may connect be shown you
What does it said in origina hebrew , it can be a problem in the translation
Im use to those mistakes with translatons
Romans 2: 14-15
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)
Romans 5:13
13(For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
If the nations, other than Israel did not have “the law” then what judgement were they guilty off?
The Law strictly for Israel.
Christianity and Islam should be cabalistic Judaism, but like Rabbi says, its duality.
The New Testament clearly says this.
2 Thessalonians 2:11
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
These are people not incline to believe a lie, but God will make them believe it. Because if they were going to believe it anyway, why would god have to do anything? Only makes sense God would have to do something like that would be if they would not have believed it on their own.
So god will make them believe it and then punish them for believing it. Where is the "free will" in that?
Such a small area has produced so many religions that cherish peace yet spend all there life warring with one tribe or another.Since spiritual awareness happened to save people,correct bad attitude and bring happiness the hatred problem has not been solved in two thousand years.Love of war,greed and selfishness still overtakes compassion and empathy and the entire middle east always be a powder keg ready to explode.A nuclear Pakistan.Iran or North Korea supplying weapons to militia groups adds even more uncertainty how quick ww3 starts.
God can do whatever he wants
you should also cover islam more often
Why do many myrhicists chide those Christians who take a fundamentalist view of the scriptures, and then themselves presume a fundamentalist view of those verses which they employ when they attempt to refute the Biblical narrative?
They are still problems with the text, whatever way you look at it.
You can choose to ignore them, but they are still problems that should lead you to question the truthfulness of the scripture.
@@oliverthompson9922 of course. The text is millennia old. Scholars go back and forth on the text.
@kennethyakovac665 yeah, that doesn't mean it shouldn't be discussed or criticised though.
There's not much else, but the bible, for Christians to go on, let's be honest.
@@oliverthompson9922 Other than the apocrypha, the many gnostic books, including other pseudopigeaphical works, the Dead Sea Scrolls, not to mention the Moabite Stone and Assyrian Tablets, etc. Admittedly, the latter two provide archaeological/historical support to the Bible rather than addressing theological claims regarding topics like "does God lie". Critical scholarship definitely has value. And it makes theose who are lazy thinkers in the denominational Churches have to think.
God is gracious and he will turn his life and light away from you on the day of judgement.
From than on you will be spending eternity in darkness, complete silence and unimaginable pain. You will be cursing your mother for giving birth to your miserable life. But hey, God is gracious and will grant you the desires of your heart.
Enjoy
For if God spared not the Angels that sinned, but cast them downe to hell, and deliuered them into chaines of darkenesse, to be reserued vnto iudgment:
Downe? Deliuered? Chaines? Darkenesse? Reserued? Vnto? Iudgment?
You can't be speaking in tongues if you want people to understand your message. May the holy power of spellcheck guide you in all future endeavors.
The big question is why???
These two kingdoms and kings were WORSHIPPING FALSE gods. All you have to do is read the account yourself and you will see.
Most people don't care to read and study the Bible, they would rather take the chance for someone to give them a false representation.
The Bible is not christian, it's the shared Book of the three major monotheist religions wich are Judaism, Islamism and Christianism. What is exclusively christian is the Gospel, as well as the Quram is only muslim and the Torah is jew.