@@davids.8509 You are absolutely right. the Quran actually doesn’t support what is happening during the pilgrimage. It actually are from bukhari books which are unverifiable “according to” narrations which were written hundreds and hundreds years after the messenger Muhammed passed away. Basically the majority of Muslims today have broken off into sects bc of these questionable books being paired with The Holy Book. Once I started studying the Scripture in order to verify everything that is being done or to be done , I realized almost everything in the Muslim world is not supported by the Quran. We are to worship and turn to the One and Only Guardian Lord Who created the Heavens and the Earth. The myth of intercession is a lie. In every one of the Abrahamic peoples. The punishment is coming to us unless we turn back to One God and follow the Guidance which He has sent down to us as a mercy. The Lord Almighty, the Most Forgiving and Merciful guides whom He wills. His punishment is severe for the ones who turn away. See the Signs happening in YT channels. World of Signs is one. Peace
@sirchale9272 hundreds and hundreds of years??? Teachers of Imam bukhari were alive during lifetime of Hazrat Ali r.a who was son In law of Hazrat Muhammad saw and one of the prophets . Secondly we know what are authentic ahadees and what are weak . Authentic ahadees goes back to Prophet pbuh.
Correction. Hajj is not a pagan ritual, it was first made by Abraham and Prophet Muhammad PbuH was ordered by Allah to perform the Pilgrimage of Abraham. Allah simply means in Arabic The God, or The One True God. Prophet Muhammad PbuH is a direct descendant of Ismael. Kaaba was built by Ismael and his father Abraham, who was then ordered by Allah to establish Pilgrimage and call people to warship the one true God, Allah. The Arabs still kind of remembered Allah during the Prophet's time, they knew of Him, but over many many centuries being left without a revelation and guidance, they lost touch with their religion and began to worship idols. If asked, they would claim they still believed in Allah, but needed the idols to intercede for them. They even still performed the ambulation of the Kaaba and animal sacrifice, done in memory of Abraham when he was ordered by Allah to sacrifice his son Ismael. But by Prophet Muhammad's time, Kaaba was surrounded by 360 idols and Mecca elites treated the Pilgrimage as business event, rather than a spiritual one. They were oppressive to less fortunate in their society and were involved in all kinds debauchery and tribal in-fighting. And please, don't regurgitate the Islamophobic rhetoric about satanic verses. Islamophobia is as old as Islam and don't think those were not invented way back then to tarnish the Prophet's image, just as they're doing today. But Mash Allah, Islam is still steaming ahead despite all the evilness done against them all around the world ever since it's inception.
The Qur'an can be kind of difficult to understand and interpret, because it's like a collection of replies to questions/situations and polemics. So for example, the verse about "God is wherever you turn" is a response to the pagan argument that "These people don't even know where the right way to turn is in their religion". But you wouldn't know that unless you read the seerah (biography of Muhammed) in parallel and have notes where it says "and in this moment, this and this verse was revealed". So reading the Qur'an alone is like all the answers without the questions and circumstances surrounding them.
Exactly, the Quran itself apart from been the criterion it's a whole seera which was used to answer or refer to the prophet pertaining questions and happenings in his lifetime.
Quran is a stand alone document of oral transmission. The author directly talks to the reader. It also refers to past events based on the much later learnt principle of 'history repeats itself'. That is, it reminds the reader that previous civilizations got destroyed because of crossing certain limits and if we do the same, we will meet the same fate. It also refers to the prophet at times and refers to the future at times. But it is a continuous dialogue which has a unique style of its own. Its neither poetry nor prose. Most of the dialogue is pretty straightforward. However, there are some difficult verses and it acknowledges that they are difficult and foretells that some people will leave the straightforward ones and will only go after the difficult ones and bring about various interpretations. Nevertheless, Quran is for all the times and the events or examples it quotes from one population are generalizable to another similar population. It is misleading to assume that Quran came to be in response to questions of the people of a particular time. Although, there is a body of scholars who just hold that assumption.
@@waseemsstudy9140 No, what is misleading is to say that it's not. Another example, let's assume that God speaks to me or about me specifically here: [20:105-107] They ask you about the mountains. Say, "My Lord will wipe them out. He will leave them like a barren, flat land. Not even the slightest hill will you see therein, nor a dip." I never asked about "the mountains". I've never heard anyone ask me "what about the mountains?". Nobody has any problems with the mountains. So what is he talking about from *my* perspective? And if you'll say "it's somebody else asked something and he replied", well then it's a reply to somebody asking something, but that somebody is not me, and his answer isn't relevant to me, and you'd have to conclude that God is babbling. More examples, I'll assume that God is talking to me directly: [54:1] The Hour has come closer, and the moon has split. But I see the moon in the sky, it hasn't split. [54:2] Then they saw a miracle; but they turned away and said, "Old magic." What miracle? Who turned away? [54:3] They disbelieved, followed their opinions, and adhered to their old traditions. Who did? [54:4] Sufficient warnings have been delivered to alert them. Which warnings? Delivered to whom? There was no verse before 54:1 except for "In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful", which doesn't help understanding what he's talking about here. The Quran is very dependent upon its context. That's what the entire polemics was about in the past two decades, where people cited it out of context and said that it justifies horrible things in the present.
@@tzimisce1753 My apologies for not being clear. My own approach to reading Quran is to let it say what it has to say without any prejudice or assumptions. what I meant by the author of Quran directly talking to the reader was in collective sense that is talking to the species who could read or listen. Thus, Quran talks at a general level rather than a personal level. Many of the issues discussed at general level can be extrapolated to individual personal level. And many are not to be applied at an individual level. For example, if an instruction is at a community level Quran addresses 'you' in plural form rather than 'you' in singular form. Often that distinction is lost in translation as in English there is no plural or singular form of you. As for your example of personal one on one discourse with the author of Quran, I am citing 2:118 from Pickthall's translation. And those who have no knowledge say: Why doth not Allah speak unto us, or some sign come unto us? Even thus, as they now speak, spake those (who were) before them. Their hearts are all alike. We have made clear the revelations for people who are sure. (118) Now in verse 118 Quran is talking in general terms about people's objections and says it has already outlined detailed signs in the book for such people. So as far as I have understood it, and I don't claim any expertise, the objective of the Quran is to guide people. It deliberately avoids specific details of time and space and keep it simple and generalizable. When I come across such verses, I ask myself what's in it for me rather than asking when was it said, who was it said to, what was going on at that time, etc. I do read about these details in the commentaries just for interest but personally I don't dwell on them. All the best!
Very insightful and it is a parallel with the Letters of Paul in the New Testament that he is replied to churches, specifically and in context yet people transformed it into literal reading to their circumstances. We later understand that the Scriptures are not religious books but rather books of wisdom that we must have the desire to understand and therefore explore as opposed to using them with the purpose of winning debates.
Mr Howard didn’t clarify about jinn ! Jinn ‘s are another creation of god in Quran ref sura Jinn # 72 We want to see more discussion from Doctor Yasir Qadhi / Numan Ali khan/ Omar Sulayman About suras from Quran and seerah of prophet Muhammad SW . Thanks a lot
I don't know how to thank my Lord for giving me birth as a Muslim. My Lord, let me die in your religion. Lord God, grant us heaven tomorrow in the Hereafter. Alhamdulillah.
There was no accommodations to the pagans of Mecca about the rights of the pilgrimage. The Kaaba was the first house of worship built by Abraham and his son Ishmael. It was dedicated to the worship of the one God. 3:96 The first House (of worship) appointed for men was that at Bakka: Full of blessing and of guidance for all kinds of beings 3:97 In it are Signs Manifest; (for example), the Station of Abraham; whoever enters it attains security; Pilgrimage thereto is a duty men owe to Allah,- those who can afford the journey; but if any deny faith, Allah stands not in need of any of His creatures. Over time that place became a den of paganism. When the Muslims took over Mecca they rededicated it again and returned to its original purpose. I don’t see in that any pagan accommodations.
A place called Bacca is also mentioned in psalm 84 of the Bible. It is referring to a “House of worship” where people made Pilgrimage and even mentions a “well”
Bacca is actually the old name of Mecca { إِنَّ أَوَّلَ بَیۡتࣲ وُضِعَ لِلنَّاسِ لَلَّذِی بِبَكَّةَ مُبَارَكࣰا وَهُدࣰى لِّلۡعَـٰلَمِینَ } [Surah Āli-ʿImrān: 96] The first House [of worship] to be established for people was the one at ( بكة - Bakkah ) Mecca. It is a blessed place; a source of guidance for all people;
Appreciate the speaker's discussion from an academic and historian point of understanding. That's his domain and he shouldn't be asked about surahs that don't touch on historical or social issues. Very interesting podcast and great to learn some insights from a non Muslim academic's secular perspective. Thank you.
When young boy, Muhammad worked as a shepherd to help pay his keep (his uncle was of modest means). In his teens he sometimes traveled with Abu Talib, who was a merchant, accompanying caravans to trade centers. On at least one occasion, he is said to have traveled as far north as Syria.
@@PEH5806 what else he could be as a kid than shepherd most of the kids back then were shepherds ,and as they grew up a lots of them became somethong else more serious like merchants or fishermen and so on
@@abcvzz So are you saying in the time of prophets only prophets are shepherd and non others? If someone is a shepherd he must be a prophet? Come on, pls use your brain. The point is every prophet was a shepherd at one time regardless of their position in future so was the prophet Muhammad,( saw ).
Logic: If Islam is man made. Then why is it against all of men desire. No drinking, no womanizing, No clubbing. So bunch of men decided to wash clean 5 times a day and prostrate 5 times a day, seems like man made? No body since the comforter and his last message came out to have 1.8 billion followers to this day. God of Abrahim said: Those who turn away from me will have miserable life. God of Abrahim said: There eyes can see the truth but their heart are close. God of Abrahim said: I will prolong the life of evildoers, liars, wicked people, so on judgement day the can not claim, he never gave them enough time to repent. God of Abrahim said: Every soul will taste death and to us you will return. On that day, when facing God of Abrahim, evildoers, Liars, wicked people will lie from their mouth but their feet will speak, their hands will speak about the things they used to do. Nothing will be hidden from All Knowing, merciful 1 God. Kul hu wala hu ahad. May Allah or in Jesus Peace be upon him language Alah guide us all.
No womanizing? Like sex slavery that is mentioned in the Quran 4 times. Slave markets were open in Mecca until 1960's. My goodness read the Quran. The whole thing not just the good parts.
An important aspect that Dr. Johnston needs to consider with regard to the issue of prophet Muhammad peace be upon him writing the Quran is the fact that the Quran style, content, and other linguistic attributes are completely different than what the Arabs used to write at that time or before. None of the Arabic writings is anywhere like the Quran. It was completely alien to the Arabs themselves. So, it does not make sense to even suggest that Muhammad peace be upon him may have written the Quran. How could he when he is the product of the same culture and society he was raised in and then suddenly at the age of 40 began producing material that is completely alien to anything written by the soceity he was born into at that time or even before his time? Many experts concluded that he couldn’t have written the Quran. So, WHO DID WRITE THE QURAN? Muslims say the CREATOR is the author of the QURAN. ALLAH
That's right. If we also compare the linguistic style of the Hadith (words of the Prophet Muhammad SAW) and Quran they're too far different to come from the same man. Prophet Muhammad SAW was also illiterate, and didn't have any relations to Judaism and Christianity, thus he couldn't have gotten information from the other two religions.
@@raxxxdi Illiterate doesn't mean, you don't have informations about a lot of things that exist in the theological and philosophical tradition around you. Maybe Mohammad was quite a knowledgeable man...
@@neatwheat That's where you are wrong. Muhammad PBUH didn't grow up in areas where there are many Christians or Jews at all, he lived in the heart of Paganism in Mecca his whole life. There's precisely only one Christian living in that place and he is not related to Muhammad PBUH until later on in his life when he seeks out opinion for his spiritual experience in a cave. A poor orphaned young boy from birth, his mother died before he reached the age of 6, his grandfather also died shortly after that, and it was his uncle who raised him. He spent his time as a shepherd for his uncle and neighbors. His only experience of going outside the city growing up was the one time his uncle took him to Syam (current time Syiria, Palestine, Jordan and Lebanon) but before he even entered the place a Priest saw him and noticed the signs of Prophethood in the young boy so the Priest told his uncle to go back with the boy incase the other Priests or Jews Rabbis will try to kill him (because they would hate it that the final Prophet wasn't born from the Children of Israel). The life of Muhammad PBUH before prophethood and after (23 years of his mission) is documented by many first-hand accounts and can be scrutinized if you wish to do that as well. You'll see there's no way he was the one who came up with the Quran. It's not normal for a human being to be able to keep lying for 23 years while making one comprehensive book, with no contradictions, errors, completely different orders than it was compiled (meaning a chapter of the Quran can be revealed from the last verses first, while the other chapters are also in progress, before it completion) and on top of that he wasn't able to write it down to keep up with the progress. So yes, it's not humanly possible.
@@raxxxdi But what if people there knew more than we give them credit for? Which kind of pagans were there anyway? Were there even still polytheistic people then?
Ok, just checked it: Yes, there were. But he was sent to Syria at age 12 or 13, right? And there lived monotheistic semitic tribes. Gotta have picked up something there. And his uncle who took care of him for a while was the leader of an influential clan who gotta have had some education as an "upper class member" member of his clan. And Muhammad obviously worked as a travelling merchant for 20 years before he had the revelation in that cave in Mecca...
There we go. He Admited Quranic Arabic is different & difficult. Am glad he got that bit It is not the every Arabs Arabic. God said " let anyone produce even a chapter like that of the Quran. Till today no one has been able to even produce a chapter let alone a whole book like that.
hey roni. you are making excuses for quran but the claim that quran is inimitable is stupid. there were poets in muhammad's time who could do unusual things with arabic. and when you look for aramaic influences you can find them in quran.
@@georgeh8937 pre-islamic poetry (jahili) and islamic poetry cannot even touch the Qur'an. It's obvious you know neither, and you're just repeating things you've heard. I have studied both. as far as "aramaic influence", arabic, aramaaic, and hebrew are semitic languages, in close regionality, of course they're close.
@georgeh8937 😂😂😂😂😂 your joker, honestly lol Arabs were really good at poetry but when they heard the Qur’an they were astonished n couldn't believe what they were hearing! The Qur’anic language n poetry is too unique they knew it couldn't be man made. Behave your self lol
@@tacom0nsta658 hello scholarly muslim. written arabic was incomplete during the time of muhammad so it would have impossible to understand just by reading the written version. it would take another two centuries before the necessary diacritical marks were in wide use. that makes the claim of quran being god's eternal testament that resides in heaven to be poetical exaggeration and factually wrong. otherwise god would have told muhammad to correct written arabic immediately to make it possible for believers to understand quran without outside help from people who already memorized the recitations first so they know what the words are supposed to be. that is why modern scholars find quran full of nonsense that needs explanation like muhammad stealing from syriac sources.
The professor is well read, but I think he’s way off on the Hajj as the what he thought as concessions to the pagans are actually to the contrary of how he presented it. In Islam, All prophets were sent from the one God of the universe, including the father figure of Abraham, and the sacrifice comes from that tradition…in line with abrahamic faith. One more minute thing he got wrong, perhaps a slip of the tongue from him, in 628 the agreement between the Muslims and the Meccans, most of the concessions went the Meccans way !
Hope you can invited Dr Roy Casagranda in another your podcast who lectured and teach at Texas Colleges where he can share many thing about ancient civilization. He very passionate person to know ancient history and political. I watch his video where he tells story about important figure who conquered Persia and Eastern Rome empires where Syria and holy city today. I believe if podcast did happen many information and knowledge we can learn also could be enjoy discussion or dialogue.
Or maybe it is because scholarship has yet to break it. Or maybe because scholarship doesn't really care for polemics to begin with. Or maybe it has, for scholarship sees Hadith as later fabrications and not as authentic historical sources. Or maybe because this professor is pro-islam and isn't really critical about it.
Well done professor. Yes, *the 3 first battles in the history of Islam were initiated by..the Meccan pagans* . And yet Muhammad amnestied them when he came back victorious to Mecca.
@@srebalanandasivam9563 There are many miracles in the Quran. Examples * info that are scientifically correct * no contradictions * Over it is 19 * MANY
*The new and old Testaments were NOT yet translated into Arabic at the time of prophet Muhammad. No way then he could have been inspired by the Gospels and the Torah* .
Umm... There are a lot of Jews and Christians who lived in the Middle East before islam, you just have to chat with them. And most people who live that time can't read, write and even do complex math. So, most oral ideas are shared around that area, thus getting info from both testament is easy. Only the rich and powerful own those types of books while the poor, well you don't want rebellion from the people. The funny part, a Muslim channel made a cartoon for kids said khadija uncle translates the bible to Arabic. I like, wait, which is which? Did they translate or not?
@@lokisg3 The Bible, let's say indicates the sun rises in the east. The Quran, to mark its singularity, must announce the opposite, otherwise it had plagiarized the Bible ! What logic is this?
@@onlignebridge4224 First, explain the video in question. "Family Of Prophet Muhammad (SAW) Stories | Khadija (RA) Wife Of Prophet | Part 2 | Quran Stories" Then skip to 6:15 and listen that Khadija cousin translate the scripters in Arabic.
I suggest that the anchorman invites muslim scholars the likes of mohammad hijab, adnan rasid, shabir ally, zakir naik, kalid yasin, ali atae, uthan farouk, and many others who can explain what true Islami is , Quran, Allah. Prophet Muhammad pub, without bias etc
I disagree with him about what happened during the negotiations of Hudaybiyya. The pagan Meccans did not insist on having three gods mentioned in the treaty. The thing they objected to was the name Arrahman translated as compassionate which they claimed they are not familiar with. This guy is totally wrong. These are excerpts from one article: When the Treaty of Hudaybiyya was being indited, an incident took place which throws a revealing sidelight upon the character of the various protagonists engaged in drafting its terms. Dictating to Ali, the Prophet said: “Write, In the name of Allah, the Most Merciful, the Most Beneficent.” Suhayl, the Makkan envoy, at once raised objection, and said, “Do not write this. Instead, write, ‘In Thy name O Allah.'“ The Prophet complied with this demand. The Prophet next asked Ali to write: “This is a treaty of peace between Muhammad, the Messenger of God and the Quraysh...” Suhayl again objected, and said: “If we had acknowledged you a messenger of God, why would we be fighting against you? Therefore, do not write the words, ‘the Messenger of God,' and write only your own name and the name of your father.” The Prophet was agreeable to comply with this demand also but Ali had already written the words, “Muhammad, the Messenger of God,” and he refused to delete them. He said to his master: “This high rank has been bestowed upon you by Allah Himself, and I shall never delete the words ‘Messenger of Allah' with my hand.” Thereupon, the Prophet took the pen in his own hand, and deleted the words which were offensive to the idolaters. The Treaty of Hudaybiyya was signed on two copies, one for each party.
"Indeed We have created man, and We know whatever thoughts his inner self develops, and We are closer to him than (his) jugular vein" (Surah 50:16). This verse from Quran clearly tells us concept of GOD is not extreme remote in Islam as the Professor tried to point out several times.
I think what his meaning is this idea of an interventionist idea of GOD, This idea that God takes exacting action on human lives. Away from this idea of for example of Greek or Roman gods that personally effect human lives. I am more of the belief that yes Allah created the universe but Allah is all powerful but doesn't literally cause everything to occur. All occurrence is source to Him but not in the way we imagined a potter shapes and mould clay into a vase for example.
That fact that god had sent the prophet with a revelation a book, the idea that the prophet then passed away and a book was then revealed a couple a hundred years later is nonsense. The delivering of the book was the prophet's primary mission, the book was here, completed within the lifetime of the prophet.
The book wasn't revealed two hundred years later. They feeding y'all the wrong info and you just run with it. Prophet Muhammad shared everything that was revealed to him before he died. The complete revelation of the book took 20+ years. At the time of his death many Muslims memorized the Holy Quran and they had it written down also. The companion of Prophet Muhammad officially compiled it together. He was a companion so it couldn't have been 200yrs later.
It was compiled ten years after his death not 200 years it was compiled by his companions so clearly couldn’t be 200 years please do more research before commenting on something you know nothing about😂
these discussions on Islam are quite superficial and not well thought through... the guest doesnt mention the significance of Mecca for Muslims and Muhammad. Muslims believe that they are just following the religion of Abraham and the Kabaa was built by Abraham as a place for pilgrimmage and worship of one God. Over the centuries, the kabaa became a house for 360 idols and the pagans changed the pilgrimmage and rituals for paganism. When Muhammad conquered Mecca he destroyed all the idols and re-instated the pilgrimmage, in effect purifying the Kabaa and the pilgrimmage. Thus Muslims are not following paganism - rather they are following Abraham.
Regarding the year of elephant, the question is: how were the elephants watered in the Arabian desert? I am told an elephant drinks 300 liters of water daily. An auxiliary question would be about the tons of vegetation needed to feed them daily. There is no such resource available in Mecca region for hundreds of miles.
@@SomeMan001 plus, Mecca is not in desert, it is in Hijaz, there is campaigns recorded for elephants in Najd which is another plateau falling between Hijaz and desert with much less water
Because the story is made up. The Quranic verse about the "master of the elephant" provides no details. The verse in fact seems to be asking the believer to remember the Maccabees. There is no Islamic history in Mecca dating back earlier than the 8th century. Mecca is barren. Incapable of sustaining life without infrastructure.
@@issameg1 Bro, Makkah is an oasis in the desert that is also full of sand. If you didn't go there, then you have no idea what you're talking about. And don't tell me how it look now or it'll be a ridiculous argument.
@@samuelmorales2344 It didn't bring details because simply it was known to people in Makkah back then. Ans it is a miserable trial to stick that to your delusional thoughts about a connection existed only in your head between this and the Maccabees. lol
Just to remind in the Quran the king mentioned is not Alexander with Gog Magog story... Alexander was pagan king...while Quran mentioned a king believing in one God.... Also in the time Prophet Mosa ale salam old testament there was no Alexander....
When I read the interpretation of some verses of Quran I deeply realize it is not the same as in Arabic the images the beyond the between of the same word in Arabic isn't reflected as it in the interpretation however so unless you know Arabic you won't understand Quran .
Hey Derek, I hope you’re well. Thanks a lot for the discussion between you and Mr. Howard-Johnston. The conversation brought a few things to mind. 11 minutes in, Dr. James says something quite profound. “It’s hard to conceive that people would tamper fundamentally with the extraordinary story of the Prophet’s life. Given that he was their Prophet, that their faith was based upon the words he uttered and which they viewed as coming from God the Lone Supperme all inspiring God.” The key word here… uttered. And I don’t recall David (3s) being a shepherd, but he was a Prophet of God according to the Bible [Acts 2:30]. Wouldn’t that kill Sean Anthony’s whole premise? I found it quite sincere of you to state your belief on the likelihood of Muhammad’s words being pretty much preserved. Perks of talking to academics. Mr. Howard-Johnston made an unusual and unwarranted claim about the qibla being changed after the treaty, which seems false due to multiple reasons. Selective reading into the sira isn’t going to help anyone's case. The treaty was done when the Muslims were trying to make the pilgrimage, which logically means it was already a qibla by then. Additionally, it is important to know why the Qibla was facing Jerusalem, to begin with. It seems like Mr. Howard-Johnston is coming from a Christian mindset where he thinks that Muhammad is trying to impress the Christians and the Jews, while not considering the Quran constantly admonishing them. So how does that work? He even said it when he was talking about Surah 2. Quite bizarre. These Arabs were coming out of paganism and they needed to get used to praying to the unseen. The concept of the unseen is very important in Islam and these people needed to get used to it. So for over a decade, they prayed facing Jerusalem which was unseen, and then when they went to Medina, it changed to Mecca, making it also unseen. It’s literally that simple. Plus the treaty didn’t help any of the Quraish elite. They all died with the exception of two or three. So again, not sure where he’s getting this from. He also conveniently forgot to mention the part of the treaty where it says “Whoever flees to Muhammad from Mecca without the permission of his guardians will be sent back to the Quraysh, but whoever comes to the Quraysh from the Muslims will not be sent back to the Muslims” This is key because it falsifies a major part of his hypothesis. Plus it also seems like Mr. Howard-Johnston misunderstands the theology of the pre-Islamic Arabs. They believed in Allah but used these idols as intermediaries to the Creator. It is quite clear if the premise is wrong, anything added to it will most likely be wrong. In conclusion, I appreciate you giving your audience a chance to hear more about Islam and I’m sure these types of videos move people to read the Quran. So as a viewer and a believer, I thank you for that. I hope to see some of those personalities I’ve mentioned to you before. Have a great morning Derek and peace be with you.
But don't you duck the reason for the change of Kibla? Are you happy with it simply being a 'test'? If the 'Unseen' is originally Jerusalem, and Mecca is still 'Unseen' (but much less 'unseen' to Meccans?), why change from a very much 'Unseen' far-away Jerusalem to a much less 'Unseen' Mecca? Notwithstanding Jerusalem is clearly the Holy City for many Arabs pre-Islam. The paradox of Islam is trying to rationalize the urge to power in the world of Dunya, as opposed to a wholly spiritual or abstract, or 'Unseen' sense of truth? Ie you have to make political compromizes if you attempt to obtain temporal power ? The change of Qibla to Mecca makes a lot of sense in this respect. Render unto Caesar what is Caesars, Render unto God what is Gods, if we discuss 'spirituality' ? If you try and mix the two, it all get a bit murky doesn't it?
@@petergrimshaw492 [ But don't you duck the reason for the change of Kibla? ] Actually it makes a lot of sense because the Israelites periodically were promised that land (and occupied it briefly) after their Hijrah from Egypt. So it became their Qibla after they spread out into other lands following the destruction of the Second Temple. So for Muhammad, the Gentile Prophet, to be revealed by God that the Qibla is change to Mecca following the early Muslim's Hijrah (mirroring the Israelites), it makes full theological sense and is quite a meaningful event. [ If the 'Unseen' is originally Jerusalem, and Mecca is still 'Unseen' (but much less 'unseen' to Meccans?), why change from a very much 'Unseen' far-away Jerusalem to a much less 'Unseen' Mecca? ] Palestine was "unseen" when the Israelites were in Egypt. Does the argument work both ways? [ The paradox of Islam is trying to rationalize the urge to power in the world of Dunya, as opposed to a wholly spiritual or abstract, or 'Unseen' sense of truth? ] There is no paradox when it is in perfect continuity with Moses and the the rest of the Prophets who all held the same thing. There is no "spiritual vs worldly" dichotomy in the "Old Testament". God has full authority over this world and the next. That is why God revealed the Torah, not to be taken as metaphor but to build empires on. The Jews failed, the Christians failed, whereas the Muslims outlasted the Christians (namely Catholics). [ Render unto God what is Gods ] God's is all of creation. God is not a once-a-week hobby. God's Law is Law, full stop.
@@petergrimshaw492 Hello. My apologies, I didn't see this comment. Why are you under the impression that Islam teaches people to work for the dunya? It's quite the opposite. But I'm looking forward to your reasoning for the assumption.
@dadrew TV I believe your comment was removed. UA-cam removes links. What I mean is that the stories in the Quran do resemble the bible, but the details are different. Haman in the bible and the Quran are two different people. The one in the bible has no historical backing, while the Haman in the Quran does. This is one example of many
51:58 Ok2... I see where the professor is going... He's postulating that in the end, the Meccan leaders saw a win-win situation with the anticipation that many will still flock to Mecca keeping it thriving - because Mecca will still remain central and well visited
who are we (being a limited creature) to decide what God can do and cannot do? what for sure we are capable to do is to mess around with the creation of God; like climate for instance🙂
What an exchange of intelligent thoughts Derek is as I informed as the professor. Thanks Derek for presenting such an intellectual discussion and bringing Prof Johnston on board. We all learned a lot from it.
1:08:00 , there’s all sorts of inconsistencies in the Quran he says trying to answer or not answer rather to a question by some islamophobe . The professor started by saying: Inam not an Islamic scholar or a Quran scholar…. Then he should stick with that and his stories. As for the verse the guy was mockingly asking, not that he’s interested as I can tell: It simply states that the jinn were being shot and here is the actual verse and it’s English translation: ﴿وَأَنَّا كُنَّا نَقْعُدُ مِنْهَا مَقَاعِدَ لِلسَّمْعِ ۖ فَمَن يَسْتَمِعِ الْآنَ يَجِدْ لَهُ شِهَابًا رَّصَدًا﴾ [ الجن: 9] English - Sahih International And we used to sit therein in positions for hearing, but whoever listens now will find a burning flame lying in wait for him. Surah Al-Jinn
In a dialogue about religious beliefs, it is important to recognize that people hold diverse perspectives and interpretations based on their cultural, religious, and personal backgrounds. It is necessary to consider that no specific source or authority is the ultimate truth, as truth can be subjective and personal within the context of faith. Engaging in a respectful dialogue means being open to different perspectives, valuing mutual understanding, and seeking common ground. It is not about enforcing one viewpoint over another but about fostering understanding and empathy. as Muslim and an Arab (deeply infected by the contagious religion Islam as James Howard-Johnston called it) I am open to hear all viewpoint and interpretations as long as presented in a respectful way and context and maybe give the Islamic interpretation of some points. I have noticed an unfortunate trend among certain scholars and UA-camrs who tend to dismiss Islamic writings by asserting that they are biased. It is important to emphasize the significance of relying on credible external sources. However, I cannot help but question whether these external sources are entirely impartial when it comes to their own religious beliefs and perspectives. Making sweeping generalizations that Muslims are inherently biased while non-Muslims are unbiased is an oversimplification and can be seen as an exclamation rather than an accurate reflection of reality. Bias can exist within individuals of any religious or non-religious background. It is crucial to approach scholarly research with a critical mindset, evaluating sources based on their credibility, methodology, and their ability to provide a balanced presentation of various viewpoints at the end thank you all for reading my comment to this point
Even the Quran is a Hadeith! No ARCHEOLOGY or historical evidence from before the 7th century exists. There is NO proof that a real man named Mohammed ever lived in history like there is for outside sources. Many non-Christians wrote about Jesus during the first century. Not one ancient document had witnesses and documentation closer to actual events than the NT of the Bible. Not one.
@@camille11izeChristian prince is just a liar and deceiver. Can't hold debate with intellectuals, only find people that have no knowledge of the Qur'an nor hadith and give them his interpretation. Everything he ever claims are debunked.
I have a lot to comment here, but since I see many already replied on some of the points I wanted to address, I will just add two things: First, the name of God “Allah” is not one of the three gods worshipped by pagans Arabs, I think he got it mixed up with Alat as in Hubal, Alat and Al-Uzza. But, they were aware of the name Allah is the supreme God above the mini gods which they were like the connection links between them and the supreme God and the actors on his behalf. Second, the Hudaibyah treaty was if someone reverted to Islam from Makkah and fled to Maddinah, is to be given back to Makkah where if someone wanted to leave Islam, can return safely to Makkah
Contrary to what ISIS committed, *the Qur'an offers just 2 options regarding the prisoners of war.: Setting them free or exchanging them against Muslim captives. Execution and enslavement are NOT envisaged* . See Chapter Muhammad, verse 4: "So when you meet those who disbelieve [ *in battle* ], strike [their] necks until, when you have inflicted slaughter upon them, then secure their bonds, and *either [confer] favor afterwards or ransom [them]* until the war lays down its burdens.."
There clearly is a distinction to make between the initial meaning of the coranic text (which was originally christian, though anti-trinitarian) and the meaning that was imposed (and distorted) later (9th and 10th centuries) by the abbassid caliphs (with the creation of the so-called "prophetic tradition" or "sunnah" with a multitude of hadiths, tafsir and siraa inventions). Their goal was to create a new religion serving their imperial interests of conquest and domination by the sword
He said the dating of the change of the qibla in the sira contradicts the dating of the soura(chapter) itself. I'm not sure if that's right or wrong but he said that.
One thing to be careful of is to avoid Judeo-Christian understandings when interpreting the Muslim viewpoint...for instance, Jinn and angels aren't necessarily immaterial, so that being affected by material things may not seem so odd. Jinn are believed to be made of a smokeless fire, whatever that means. And angels are believed to be made of light, whatever that means. In the classical Christian thought, angels and demons are immaterial. So this can be a huge difference
Islam is great religion no need to be proved by anyone and it’s a religion of future. God promised prophet Mohammed (ص) his name will be well known till end of time ( alive ). Even nowadays, most of Muslim baby boy named Mohammed Subhanallah !
The changing of Qiblah is a return to the original Qiblah of Abraham. Qur'an 2: 144 said the people of the book (Jews) knew such to be true. The Jews are so attached to the Phylactery (a model of the Kaaba?).
With all my respect Dr James you either lack so many information about the Kaaba, or you have just chosen to ignore those very information, which I think is the case. The point is that in Islam the Kaaba is a holy house built first by the father of humanity Adam, then demolished and built again by Abraham and his son Ishmael. This is the reason for the annual pilgrimage of the sons of Ismael (the Arabs) to Mecca. When the word of God was lost, pagans added idols in the Holy Cube to be worshiped along with the God of Abraham. Mohamed (pbuh) attempted and succeeded to take it back from the idol-worshiping tribe. Check first the already mentioned information and then check your knowledge of the language of the Qur'an, and finally, try to use its official new authorized version.
All religions. Very interesting as history and how we got here. What frees the mind? Not being brought up in religion. Ethics and morality exist by themselves and are expressed through justice. Non religious people look on aghast at what goes on.
Gog & Magog are Human Beings of different Asiatic Descents that are explicitly described as : Flat Nosed ,Broad faced ,Small eyed ... The Quran speaks about them being stopped by the pious King Cyrus the Great ( Thu Lqarnayn / The two Horned one )... Who built an infrastructure to stop the advancement of these Gog & Magog tribes...The verse ends with the idea that the purpose of this infrastructure will end & that peoples afterwards will go back to mixing with each other like waves do in the Sea !!! You cannot tell exactly who Gog & Magog are ..but these two tribes are among us ...They never ceased to exist since Cyrus the Great because they are Normal human beings breeding living & dying like all other humans .....Maybe they are the Chinese maybe the Koreans ....No one knows how these Asiatic people will reemerge in the end of days & under what political& Military expansion & ideology.
A few years back I took a Christian eschatology course. Anyway, during the class I asked what Gog Magog meant in Christianity? And the woman heading the group said it was a war with Russia. I don’t know, but it does appear we as people have been walking the same path as our ancient ancestors only in reverse. It does seem as if humanity from around this world are in more ways than we may ever realize are being brought back together.
For correction is not words of Muhammad, but words of God, and Allah sent prophet to different people at stage until the final and last prophet Muhammad.but Jew and Christian are in denial, Quran said categorically about oneness of God and so the previous prophet.
Thank you for great interview and knowledge of the guest; I watched it very late.. However, there are TWO critical mistakes, as also always Christian Missionaries do, (1) In the Quran, there is NO shooting STARS. The Quran stated clearly that those Divils when cross their authorised borders in the Heavens they will be hitted by METEORITES (Not STARS). (2) The Pagan God before Islam in the Kaaba was LLATA (اللات) and Not ALLAH (الله). These are two completely different names, I don't understand how came non-Muslims are completely confused, it seems that this is just FABRICATION from Christian Missionaries to deceive people !!??
Also they interpret jins as spirit which is totally wrong. Jins are created from smokeless fire which is matter itself. So the question is wrong considering the verse made reference to jins not spirit.
Few Notes: 1. Prophet Abraham had built the Ka’aba with his son Ishmael. The children of Ishmael continued to worship One true God until the time of Amr b. Luhayy b. Qam’a b. Khindiff who was the first to start the worshipping of idols. About him Prophet Muhammad once said, “I saw Amr b. Luhayy dragging his intestines in hell, and when I asked him about those who lived between his time and mine he said that they had perished…He was the first to change the religion of Ishmael, to set up idols, and institute the custom of the bahira, sa’iba, wasila, and hami.” 2. According to Ibn Ishaq, the ancient historian, “the beginning of stone worship among the sons of Ishmael was when Mecca became too small for them and they wanted more room in the country. Everyone who left the town took with him a stone from the sacred area to do honor to it. Wherever they settled, they set it up and walked round it as they went round Ka’aba. This led them to worship what stones they pleased and those which made an impression on them. Thus as generations passed they forgot their primitive faith and adopted another religion for that of Abraham and Ishmael. They worshipped idols and adopted the same errors as the peoples before them” (Seerah by Ibn Ishaq). 3. Even Western scholars who are hostile to Islam argue the point that monotheism was native to Arabia. H.A.R Gibb in his book ‘Muhammedanism’ argues that “The existence of a supreme God, Allah, is assumed as an axiom common to Muhammad and his opponents. The Koran never argues the point; what it does argue is that He is the one and only one. La ilaha illa’aalah, ‘there is no god but Allah. But it is more doubtful whether this is to be regarded as the direct deposit of Christian or Jewish teaching. In the Koran it is connected with a different tradition altogether, an obscure Arabian tradition represented by the so-called ‘hanifs’, pre-Islamic monotheists whose very name shows that the Syrians regarded them as non-Christians (Syriac “hanpa”, ‘heathen’). Muhammad glories in the name and attaches it as a distinctive epithet to Abraham, “who was neither Jew nor Christian.”
I don’t find the discussion neutral ! Under the guise of academics lots of attacks made. You should bring Islamic scholars on … they will blow your mind.
Good talk but sadly many things he said are purely 'theories'.. While there are sources that do shows & proves otherwise.. So i think he needs to stop cherry pick sources that fits his opinions & narratives..tho we even have non-muslims sources that do agree completely to the current islamic positions and beliefs system.. Other than that all his points can be verily easily counter as there are no definitive proofs for all his so call 'islam real history'!
Derek, that was a brilliant episode. Dr Howard Johnson is an absolute charmer and his ideas behind the change of direction between Jerusalem and Mecca was fascinating, plenty of food for thought. Bring him back I want to hear about Gog and Magog, that sounds like a superhero story!
It would be difficult for a good Muslim to lie about the life of our prophet pbuh as Muhammad pbuh warned about lying about him. Muslim sources are more reliable than non Muslim sources.
He says: “Mecca was a city-state.” And “Mecca was the largest city in Arabia?”Really? LoL Did they mint their own coins in Mecca? Romans and Persians were sitting there idly and not collecting taxes from a major city-state or appointing governors? What was the population of Mecca? Some Muslim scholars recently have estimated Mecca’s population at the time of Muhammad as 600-900!!! Hardly a city-state!! To have a proper city-state you need more than that as state employees, servants and law enforcement and military/defense!! On the year of elephant: sirah says Muhammad was born in 570 and that was the year of elephant. Professor Johnston says there is evidence of Abraha attacking in 570’s. Firstly there is some 10-20 yrs difference bw what archeology says as Abraha’s attack in Arabia and what Sirah says, secondly there is no archeological evidence Abraha actually attacked Mecca. I’m really baffled by some of his arguments and statements.
I just add this: the whole problem is that almost all the information about the life of Muhammad from the traditional islamic narrative which can be subjected to verification via outside sources or tools turns out to be false! And Professor Johnston is completely misinterpreting this fact and calls Sirah as being supported by outside evidence. Just the fact that the Sirah talks about the year of elephant doesn't mean much unless it's accurate about the exact time and location.
If your IQ allows you to believe Al Tabari’s hallucinations that Muhammad needed 10000 troops to conquer Mecca be my guest 🤣🤣. BTW what I said is exactly what Stephen Shoemaker says in his most recent book about Mecca.
@@traveleurope5756 I think your completely misunderstanding why he thinks the sirah can be used as a historical text to form a historical hypothesis. Bit of a clue 🤣 its the same reason why shoemaker cannot say they was no place in the hijaz called mecca 🤣 the difference is what was it, how big was it, did it have historical significance etc etc and everyone has different views that are shaped around a historical paradigm. All historical sources are unreliable by there nature, whereas originals are absent even more so. The points of sirah convergence 6 main points of convergence are reliable major events that are attested by epigraphic evidence, chronological drift (in this instance) doesn't undermine the convergence, it maybe signaling bad written or oral transmission, if the date lined up perfectly you might suspect it was a later forgery. As far as information that is Checkable the sirah is just as reliable as any other historical document in some instances. An argument from silence of meccan archeology is insufficient for a historian to ignore a historical text that has contained information that has proven useful in the past, as that's what they practice, the study of historical text.
@@thepennydreadful95 I think you are completely misunderstanding my arguments, his arguments and the Sirah 🤣My argument is that most objectively verifiable data from Sirah do not pass the verification test. Prof. Johnston is referring to very specific detailed data from the Sirah as evidence for its reliability, eg the "year of elephant" and "the Abrarah attack on Mecca" and he is ignoring that Sirah is WRONG about both of them! THE SIRAH IS WRONG ABOUT WHEN THE YEAR OF ELEPHANT WAS AND WHERE ABRAHAH ATTACKED. (A vague memory from these events could have survived till the time of Al Tabari and he simply chose to throw them in his stories, as simple as that. This doesn't mean he knew what he was talking about! ) The main thrust of the Sirah is that the Quraysh was the most affluent, powerful, and influential tribe among the Arabs and by the same token Mecca was the most important and richest city in Arabia, and by virtue of these Muhammad was able to unify the entire Arab tribes. So Mecca being a major city and not a village is a very critical aspect of the Sirah's narrative (exactly what Pro.f Johnston emphasized on). Most likely Mecca was a tiny village before Islam (and Al Zubair's actions), but was it the most important and affluent city of Arabia as the Sirah requires hard to believe! This is what Shoemaker says too.
Makkah pagan tradition was not pangan in its origin but from Abraham's monotheism as taught by God. Islam revived that tradition and cleaned up the pagan elements altogether
The discussion on Islam authenticity is undoubtedly favor its solid grounds. The relationship with Christian and Jewish doctrines is there but it is not fundamental in any way to Islam!
There are no inconsistencies in the Qur’an but there are nuances in the Holy Qur’an. A fluent Arabic reader/scholar, would be able to understand this but a non Arabic speaking scholar would NOT!
I am surprised that Battle of Mutah (year 629) is not mentioned. It was the first battle between Muslims and Byzantines and it was chronicled in non-muslim sources.
@@inquisitivemind007 no, apparently the non Muslim chronicles indicate that this war took place because the Arabs wanted to conquer Jerusalem but Muslim sources say that it was the killing of a Muslim messenger by the Romans which started this battle.
With regards to the sacrifices made during haj, these were not originally pagan rituals. They are linked to Abraham's story when Allah ordered him, in his old age, to sacrifice his only son as a test to his faith (Ishmael was the sacrifice as Isac hadn't been born yet) and when he was just about to carry out the order, Allah provided a ram to be sacrificed instead of Ishmael and because he passed the test Allah blessed him with a second son (Isac) . This became part of the ritual of haj which started at the time of Abraham and the Arabs afterwards, who are descendants of Ishmael and followed Abraham and Ishmael's faith, continued this ritual of sacrifice during haj and later on as they drifted away from the true faith into paganism, introduced some other activities to the haj which were not ordained by Allah. When prophet Mahammed PBUH came, he taught the believers how to perform haj the correct way and eliminated innovations that were not ordained by Allah and kept those acts that were actually part of the original haj as performed by Abraham.
Who says there's no demons / evil in Islam? Allah calls Satan our enemy and shares part of His conversation with Satan in Quran (15:42) "Over My true servants you will be able to exercise no power, your power will be confined to the erring ones, those who choose to follow you"
You mean ignorance? Agreed. It's easier to dismiss all the work you have to do to source the truth and blindly follow what feels good and convenient to you.
Belief? Do you mean faith? Yeah, these are in no way a reliable means to arrive at truth. Any assertion can be believed - if belief were reliable Hinduism would also be true. You are being very silly.
I find it very hard to believe JHJ is a historian. For example, how could a place like Mecca have supported a society large enough to have an army? How could it have supported even a few dozen people?
@@saadsalman6641 Queen Zubaydah had an aqueduct built to supply water to Mecca which was completed in 801AD. This provided water for the pilgrims. Prior to this, water was in very short supply. So I would suggest that in the 7th century, Mecca was barely a village. Following the establishment of Islam at the end of the 7th century, it began to grow, but could only become a city once it had a secure water supply.
@@frankszanto What about ummayad era. Hajj and Umra were routine worships. Zubeda was Abbasid queen. Her canal was meant not for a new city, but a city where pligrimage was already performed.
@@saadsalman6641 Sure, pilgrimage was being performed, but there was not enough water to support a city. The Zamzam spring could only support a small village, not a city.
In the battle of Badr, Satan himself comes and urges the pagans from mecca to destroy the Noble prophet and his followers, he was the one talking with Abu jahal, telling him best chance to wipe out Islam. Howard has a lot to learn,
"Have you not seen how those who have been forbidden to hold secret conversations go back afterwards and hold them, and conspire with one another in what is sinful, hostile, and disobedient to the Messenger? When they come to you they greet you with words God has never used to greet you, and say inwardly, ‘Why does God not punish us for what we say?’ Hell will be punishment enough for them: they will burn there- an evil destination." - Qur'an, Surah 58:8
@@oceanmachine1906 you realize that every christian believes the same for those who deny the "true" faith of Christ. And every Jew believes that same fate awaits christians and muslims.. plus, having lived with Muslims all my life, very many of them won't make it to heaven either., The conqueror determines the faith. The conquered faith is deemed from the devil... Rinse and repeat.
As for an English translation, multiple versions are available on the internet which are easier to search than printed copies. Given the contradictions in the Quran, and the doctrine of abrogation, it is important to read it in chronological sequence, with the later verses first. There is an edition by Tommy Robinson and Peter McLougnlan in the standard chronological order, but which also discusses the difficulty of reconstructing it.
Wow this man is right on the money. the hudaibia treaty was THE turning point of Islam. Scheikh Imran Hussein talked about the specifics of this important point in islam as a lecture about the political brilliance of the prophet.
Congratulations to Dr Howard for understanding quite accurately the monotheistic doctrine in Islam. He has also confirmed the seerah or the history of the Prophet Mohamed (pbuh) through his own historical sources. Dr Howard may have understood that Quran is the historical testimonial for the events during the 23 years of the Prophetic mission where the time, places and the circumstances of the revelations of every verse in Quran have been recorded. Dr Howard would've realised that Prophet Mohamed (pbuh) was indeed a mighty messenger of God Almighty sent in the chain of messengers Abraham, Moses, Solomon, David and Jesus ( peace be upon all of them). Dr Howard should explore the narrative in verse 17:1 in Quran about his miraculous night journey from Makkah in Arabia to Al Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem and met with the spirits of all previous prophets. He transformed the nomad Arabic population into a powerful civilization within 23 years of his prophethood so that Muslims later conquered Persia, Byzantine empire and Jerusalem. After the conquest of Jerusalem the second Caliph Omer declared the church of Sepulchre the holiest shrine in Christianity, where the empty tomb of Jesus (pbuh) is believed to be located, under the protection of Muslims. Even today the decree of Caliph Omar is displayed outside the church and the keys of the church is held with Palastenian Muslims. Please see the following short documentary for further details. ua-cam.com/video/PrsqNJIRGPUu/v-deo.html
@Shashank Tripathi From your name I can guess that you are Hindu. Fighting of Dharma or justice against evil is universal such as Rama against Ravana and the battle in Mahabharatha. Prophet Mohmed's struggle against his persecutors was similar. You must study the rise of Islam from a tribal nomadic community to powerful Islamic empires in Asia, Europe and Africa. Please refer to Mythvision podcast ua-cam.com/video/NQxKg2FtoqY/v-deo.html&si=EnSIkaIECMiOmarE
The transformation effected by Muhammad and the Quran on the Arab peoples of the time was indeed impressive but does not prove that Islam is the truth that it claims to be. For instance if the Torah and Injeel were revealed by the same Deity and Muslims now claim they have been tampered with and are not trustworthy, why should we believe the same Deity can preserve the Quran? That is just one of very many problems with Islam's claims. It is a man made concoction which takes advantage of the human need for a Deity and moral law but does not display evidence of being a divine revelation.
@@thenowchurch6419 The reason why Torah and Injeel are not protected by God is that they were revealed to a particular community and for a limited period. Quran is the last revelation for the whole mankind. Please consider the following to recognise the Quran as divine scripture. Prophet Mohmed was illiterate in reading and writing of Arabic language and he was incapable of producing a a document of 6146 verses of excellent literature in Arabic language. It was initially memorised by the Prophet then his companions and to date millions have memorised it. Its preservation for the last 1,400 years is through oral traditions. If all manuscripts and written records are destroyed it can be reproduced to its original text by hundreds of thousands of Qari, those who memorised it, all over the world. It cannot be said to any other scriptures available to mankind.
@@nakeebissadeen1606 With all due respect you are just parroting talking points that do not make sense or line up with truth. If we grant that the Torah was temporary and only for one nation, then we should acknowledge that the Injeel ( The Gospels) were sent to call all nations and that is why there are Christians in most nations of the world. It is a lie to say that the Gospel message was temporary or only for one nation. The Gospels were translated into Greek and various languages including English in order to reach the whole known world but the Quran is written in a language that only a small percentage of the world understands and we are told that it cannot be properly understood by non-Arabic speakers. That does not qualify as a universal revelation. The identity of Muhammad is shrouded in mystery and the composition of the Quran is as well. We have no proof that it came from just one man. Was Muhammad a merchant who would have had to have been literate or was he a poor illiterate keeper of livestock? How do you explain the strong hadiths that claim parts of the Quran were forgotten and some pages were eaten by a goat according to Aisha? On top of that we have Islamic scholar Yassur Khadi claiming that there are gaping holes in the narrative that the Quran was perfectly preserved. The recitations by Muslims around the world have differences, some minor and some are major. It cannot be accurately remade if all manuscripts were destroyed. Those are myths given to the lay Muslims like yourself by the scholars. Study this more in depth and you will see.
@@thenowchurch6419 Onus is on me to clear your misconceptions. First of all Gospels are not Injeel. The revelations to Jesus was in Hebrew Aramaic language. Gospels, written in Greek by unknown authors, are a mixture of third party narrative of what God said, what Jesus said and what others said about Jesus. Original Aramaic version of Injeel became extinct when Jewish Christianity was eliminated in Jerusalem during the third century AD. Seerah of Prophet Mohamed or his history was recorded by early Islamic historians and later confirmed by non Islamic sources as Dr Howard mentioned in the above interview. The revelation of each and every verse of the Quran was recorded with the location, period and circumstances. Arabic is not a minority language. The language was adopted by many countries such as Egypt, many African countries and even in countries under the Ottoman empire. Today it is either spoken or adopted as a second language by 2 billion Muslims around the world. You Don have to listen to Dr Yasir Qathi. Please watch Mythvision podcast on the preservation of the Quran to understand that the standardised version of the Quran as early as 20 years after the death of the Prophet, by his closest companion Caliph Othman is same as what is currently available after 1 400 years. There are 7 different recitations of the Quran without any change in the meaning dating back to the prophet. For example, the same words and vowels in the English language are pronounced differently in England, USA, Australia and even in India.
Quran chapter one is the author descriptions Allah. Just like other books where the author details himself. Quran chapter two. Describe the chronology of events to Islam. Quran Arabic ALM Other languages is translation Definition of believers Definition of disbelievers The creation of the universal and human replacing the Jinns kind who were before humans. The replacement created the rebellion Jinns who is the Devil who was not plrased being replaced by human and became the enemy. The story of human replaced jin in this chapter come for Islam (Ishmael)to replace Jews (Issac) the old family feud Sarah and Hagar. The enemy between Jews and Islam. Israelites failed Mosses 1500 BC mission and became people with no land. Returned to Egypt and God displeased. Jews killed Jesus and refused God guidance and later Christians changed from Jesus teachings believing in God to Jesus is god's. Hance Muhammad of Ishmael son of Abraham and Quran last revelation and Mecca center of the Islam religion aftre Jerusalem. After aya 150 the laws of Islam were introduced. Then came the story of David empire returning of Israel to Jerusalem for their first promise 1000 BC. Note 1921 return is the second and final return read chapter 17 for details. The David empire failed after Abuchadnazar destroyed Jerusalem Solomon and took Israelites to Babylon. Follow the story of the man with his donkey who question himself as to who will build the Jerusalem after it was destroyed. So God made him slept for hundred years building Jerusalem by parsian king and God made Uzair Ezra or Ezekiel with his donkey come to life to rewrite the Torah. But jews said Uzair Ezekiel also wrote Ezekiel prophecies 38 that listing countries to be destroyed that would come to help Palestine. That is the enemity of jews against Islam. Quran chapters arranged by God have great meaning but failed to under stood. Gog ma Gog or Juj ma Juj in Quran it has nothing to do with Russia. The descriptions of Gog ma Gog was given by prophet and it was confirmed to be Chinese. The china great empire. Watch UA-cam Basam jarrar gog ma Gog in Arabic. The journey of Dhulqarnain the two horns or the two centuries. The journey of Jews from the West sunset to East sun rise via Jerusalem for hundred years. Must understand the Quran chapter 17 and 18 describes the journey and chapter 19 that Jesus returns after jews hundred years in Jerusalem 2021 and increased by ten that by 2030. The prophecy of Quran from chapter 17 of prophet night journey for Macca 631 lebaration and 2031 for Jerusalem liberation and return of Jesus is on the making. Read Quran for your salvation.
Al- Baqarah is not last surah been sent to the Prophet ﷺ. The last complete surah is surah al-Nasr (which exactly like we are witnessing today).. and the last ayah is in surah Al-Maidah (which came during the prophet's last hajj.. hajjatul wada').
Islam already failed, and failed miserably, completely, from internal failure, first and foremost, too late to say that it will prevail, certainly not in its shape and form, if it will prevail it will be in the form of the Chinese communist party or what it makes of Islam, by redeeming Allah and the prophet, so that he may rest in peace.
1:13:49 His understanding of spirit is rooted in christianity. Because in Islam jinns are not considered as spirit but a creation of Allah made from smokeless fire. The answer is right there in the Qur'an for them.
Prophet Muhammed never compromised on creed. Earlier in his Meccan period pagans offered him to worship his God and their gods at the same time. He never bowed to these ridiculous ideas.
Hey man.. this is not so logical thing to say since Quraish pagans were not denying Allah / God but they worshiped him as the most high deity .. the issue was that they worshiped other lesser deities alongside Allah / God
@@dtrez3866 it's portrayed as if Muhammad recanted this soon After, but I think it was a little longer than a day 😂 perhaps as long as it took for the meccans to realised this new movement has a potential.
@@dtrez3866 Doesn't make an awful lot of sense in any hypothetical situation that Muhammad would go from "don't associate partners with God" to "ok, your partners are ok" then back to "don't associate partners with God". Also given that the early Muslims indeed ended up martyrs for rejecting the Meccan idols, it wouldn't make any sense for Muhammad to sudden cop out of it only to then suddenly go back to the original point.
in brief islam didnt take on pagan rituals it brought back the rituals of Abraham and Ismael who worshiped the one and only God
Yeah sure, because Abraham used to kiss stones, and kill their apostates.
@@davids.8509 you will be fine
You know the truth but ya heart too enclosed to accept
@@davids.8509
You are absolutely right.
the Quran actually doesn’t support what is happening during the pilgrimage.
It actually are from bukhari books which are unverifiable “according to” narrations which were written hundreds and hundreds years after the messenger Muhammed passed away.
Basically the majority of Muslims today have broken off into sects bc of these questionable books being paired with The Holy Book.
Once I started studying the Scripture in order to verify everything that is being done or to be done , I realized almost everything in the Muslim world is not supported by the Quran.
We are to worship and turn to the One and Only Guardian Lord Who created the Heavens and the Earth.
The myth of intercession is a lie. In every one of the Abrahamic peoples.
The punishment is coming to us unless we turn back to One God and follow the Guidance which He has sent down to us as a mercy.
The Lord Almighty, the Most Forgiving and Merciful guides whom He wills.
His punishment is severe for the ones who turn away. See the Signs happening in YT channels. World of Signs is one.
Peace
@@davids.8509Prophet of Allah won't do any injustice .
@sirchale9272 hundreds and hundreds of years??? Teachers of Imam bukhari were alive during lifetime of Hazrat Ali r.a who was son In law of Hazrat Muhammad saw and one of the prophets . Secondly we know what are authentic ahadees and what are weak . Authentic ahadees goes back to Prophet pbuh.
Correction.
Hajj is not a pagan ritual, it was first made by Abraham and Prophet Muhammad PbuH was ordered by Allah to perform the Pilgrimage of Abraham. Allah simply means in Arabic The God, or The One True God.
Prophet Muhammad PbuH is a direct descendant of Ismael. Kaaba was built by Ismael and his father Abraham, who was then ordered by Allah to establish Pilgrimage and call people to warship the one true God, Allah.
The Arabs still kind of remembered Allah during the Prophet's time, they knew of Him, but over many many centuries being left without a revelation and guidance, they lost touch with their religion and began to worship idols. If asked, they would claim they still believed in Allah, but needed the idols to intercede for them. They even still performed the ambulation of the Kaaba and animal sacrifice, done in memory of Abraham when he was ordered by Allah to sacrifice his son Ismael. But by Prophet Muhammad's time, Kaaba was surrounded by 360 idols and Mecca elites treated the Pilgrimage as business event, rather than a spiritual one. They were oppressive to less fortunate in their society and were involved in all kinds debauchery and tribal in-fighting.
And please, don't regurgitate the Islamophobic rhetoric about satanic verses. Islamophobia is as old as Islam and don't think those were not invented way back then to tarnish the Prophet's image, just as they're doing today. But Mash Allah, Islam is still steaming ahead despite all the evilness done against them all around the world ever since it's inception.
It's pagan
@@faithfultoyeshua4576 If it's pagan why is it in the ancient testament?
@@mortvald what's ancient testament
@@faithfultoyeshua4576 Psalms of david, Torah
@@mortvald verse
The Qur'an can be kind of difficult to understand and interpret, because it's like a collection of replies to questions/situations and polemics.
So for example, the verse about "God is wherever you turn" is a response to the pagan argument that "These people don't even know where the right way to turn is in their religion". But you wouldn't know that unless you read the seerah (biography of Muhammed) in parallel and have notes where it says "and in this moment, this and this verse was revealed". So reading the Qur'an alone is like all the answers without the questions and circumstances surrounding them.
Exactly, the Quran itself apart from been the criterion it's a whole seera which was used to answer or refer to the prophet pertaining questions and happenings in his lifetime.
Quran is a stand alone document of oral transmission. The author directly talks to the reader. It also refers to past events based on the much later learnt principle of 'history repeats itself'. That is, it reminds the reader that previous civilizations got destroyed because of crossing certain limits and if we do the same, we will meet the same fate. It also refers to the prophet at times and refers to the future at times. But it is a continuous dialogue which has a unique style of its own. Its neither poetry nor prose. Most of the dialogue is pretty straightforward. However, there are some difficult verses and it acknowledges that they are difficult and foretells that some people will leave the straightforward ones and will only go after the difficult ones and bring about various interpretations. Nevertheless, Quran is for all the times and the events or examples it quotes from one population are generalizable to another similar population. It is misleading to assume that Quran came to be in response to questions of the people of a particular time. Although, there is a body of scholars who just hold that assumption.
@@waseemsstudy9140 No, what is misleading is to say that it's not.
Another example, let's assume that God speaks to me or about me specifically here:
[20:105-107] They ask you about the mountains. Say, "My Lord will wipe them out. He will leave them like a barren, flat land. Not even the slightest hill will you see therein, nor a dip."
I never asked about "the mountains". I've never heard anyone ask me "what about the mountains?". Nobody has any problems with the mountains. So what is he talking about from *my* perspective? And if you'll say "it's somebody else asked something and he replied", well then it's a reply to somebody asking something, but that somebody is not me, and his answer isn't relevant to me, and you'd have to conclude that God is babbling.
More examples, I'll assume that God is talking to me directly:
[54:1] The Hour has come closer, and the moon has split.
But I see the moon in the sky, it hasn't split.
[54:2] Then they saw a miracle; but they turned away and said, "Old magic."
What miracle? Who turned away?
[54:3] They disbelieved, followed their opinions, and adhered to their old traditions.
Who did?
[54:4] Sufficient warnings have been delivered to alert them.
Which warnings? Delivered to whom?
There was no verse before 54:1 except for "In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful", which doesn't help understanding what he's talking about here.
The Quran is very dependent upon its context. That's what the entire polemics was about in the past two decades, where people cited it out of context and said that it justifies horrible things in the present.
@@tzimisce1753 My apologies for not being clear. My own approach to reading Quran is to let it say what it has to say without any prejudice or assumptions.
what I meant by the author of Quran directly talking to the reader was in collective sense that is talking to the species who could read or listen.
Thus, Quran talks at a general level rather than a personal level. Many of the issues discussed at general level can be extrapolated to individual personal level. And many are not to be applied at an individual level. For example, if an instruction is at a community level Quran addresses 'you' in plural form rather than 'you' in singular form. Often that distinction is lost in translation as in English there is no plural or singular form of you.
As for your example of personal one on one discourse with the author of Quran, I am citing 2:118 from Pickthall's translation.
And those who have no knowledge say: Why doth not Allah speak unto us, or some sign come unto us? Even thus, as they now speak, spake those (who were) before them. Their hearts are all alike. We have made clear the revelations for people who are sure. (118)
Now in verse 118 Quran is talking in general terms about people's objections and says it has already outlined detailed signs in the book for such people.
So as far as I have understood it, and I don't claim any expertise, the objective of the Quran is to guide people. It deliberately avoids specific details of time and space and keep it simple and generalizable. When I come across such verses, I ask myself what's in it for me rather than asking when was it said, who was it said to, what was going on at that time, etc. I do read about these details in the commentaries just for interest but personally I don't dwell on them.
All the best!
Very insightful and it is a parallel with the Letters of Paul in the New Testament that he is replied to churches, specifically and in context yet people transformed it into literal reading to their circumstances. We later understand that the Scriptures are not religious books but rather books of wisdom that we must have the desire to understand and therefore explore as opposed to using them with the purpose of winning debates.
No the idol rites is not incorporated in Hajji rituals
I love my Tajweed Qur'an with meaning and translation in English.
Which one is that please?
I love reason and common sense. I win.
Bet you love 8:4 and 9:5 too
@@dalegamburg8995I think you didnt mean 8:4 🤡
But keep trying tho 😂
From an infidels perspective you must admit chapters 8 and 9 are quite horrifying...I could ld quote but I didn't want to freak out UA-cam
Muslims believe that hajj elements predate pagans and go to Abraham/Ismael.
Mr Howard didn’t clarify about jinn ! Jinn ‘s are another creation of god in Quran ref sura Jinn # 72
We want to see more discussion from Doctor Yasir Qadhi / Numan Ali khan/ Omar Sulayman About suras from Quran and seerah of prophet Muhammad SW .
Thanks a lot
I don't know how to thank my Lord for giving me birth as a Muslim. My Lord, let me die in your religion. Lord God, grant us heaven tomorrow in the Hereafter. Alhamdulillah.
Read the new Testement including the book of John 🙂
O My Lord, give me death except on the religion of Abraham the Truthful (Peace be upon him)
@@glenncorbett1665 read the Qur'an bro
There was no accommodations to the pagans of Mecca about the rights of the pilgrimage. The Kaaba was the first house of worship built by Abraham and his son Ishmael. It was dedicated to the worship of the one God.
3:96 The first House (of worship) appointed for men was that at Bakka: Full of blessing and of guidance for all kinds of beings
3:97 In it are Signs Manifest; (for example), the Station of Abraham; whoever enters it attains security; Pilgrimage thereto is a duty men owe to Allah,- those who can afford the journey; but if any deny faith, Allah stands not in need of any of His creatures.
Over time that place became a den of paganism. When the Muslims took over Mecca they rededicated it again and returned to its original purpose. I don’t see in that any pagan accommodations.
A place called Bacca is also mentioned in psalm 84 of the Bible. It is referring to a “House of worship” where people made Pilgrimage and even mentions a “well”
Bacca is actually the old name of Mecca
{ إِنَّ أَوَّلَ بَیۡتࣲ وُضِعَ لِلنَّاسِ لَلَّذِی بِبَكَّةَ مُبَارَكࣰا وَهُدࣰى لِّلۡعَـٰلَمِینَ }
[Surah Āli-ʿImrān: 96]
The first House [of worship] to be established for people was the one at ( بكة - Bakkah ) Mecca. It is a blessed place; a source of guidance for all people;
Dr James gave very honest explanation regarding Quran.. as historian.. very attractive video.
Appreciate the speaker's discussion from an academic and historian point of understanding. That's his domain and he shouldn't be asked about surahs that don't touch on historical or social issues. Very interesting podcast and great to learn some insights from a non Muslim academic's secular perspective. Thank you.
When young boy, Muhammad worked as a shepherd to help pay his keep (his uncle was of modest means). In his teens he sometimes traveled with Abu Talib, who was a merchant, accompanying caravans to trade centers. On at least one occasion, he is said to have traveled as far north as Syria.
And your point is?
@@Leo-wy1by
My point is he was a shepherd before became a merchant. Every prophet was a shepherd
@@PEH5806 subhanallah
@@PEH5806
what else he could be as a kid than shepherd most of the kids back then were shepherds ,and as they grew up a lots of them became somethong else more serious like merchants or fishermen and so on
@@abcvzz
So are you saying in the time of prophets only prophets are shepherd and non others? If someone is a shepherd he must be a prophet? Come on, pls use your brain. The point is every prophet was a shepherd at one time regardless of their position in future so was the prophet Muhammad,( saw ).
Logic: If Islam is man made. Then why is it against all of men desire. No drinking, no womanizing, No clubbing. So bunch of men decided to wash clean 5 times a day and prostrate 5 times a day, seems like man made? No body since the comforter and his last message came out to have 1.8 billion followers to this day. God of Abrahim said: Those who turn away from me will have miserable life. God of Abrahim said: There eyes can see the truth but their heart are close. God of Abrahim said: I will prolong the life of evildoers, liars, wicked people, so on judgement day the can not claim, he never gave them enough time to repent. God of Abrahim said: Every soul will taste death and to us you will return. On that day, when facing God of Abrahim, evildoers, Liars, wicked people will lie from their mouth but their feet will speak, their hands will speak about the things they used to do. Nothing will be hidden from All Knowing, merciful 1 God. Kul hu wala hu ahad. May Allah or in Jesus Peace be upon him language Alah guide us all.
No womanizing? Like sex slavery that is mentioned in the Quran 4 times. Slave markets were open in Mecca until 1960's. My goodness read the Quran. The whole thing not just the good parts.
An important aspect that Dr. Johnston needs to consider with regard to the issue of prophet Muhammad peace be upon him writing the Quran is the fact that the Quran style, content, and other linguistic attributes are completely different than what the Arabs used to write at that time or before. None of the Arabic writings is anywhere like the Quran. It was completely alien to the Arabs themselves.
So, it does not make sense to even suggest that Muhammad peace be upon him may have written the Quran. How could he when he is the product of the same culture and society he was raised in and then suddenly at the age of 40 began producing material that is completely alien to anything written by the soceity he was born into at that time or even before his time?
Many experts concluded that he couldn’t have written the Quran.
So, WHO DID WRITE THE QURAN?
Muslims say the CREATOR is the author of the QURAN.
ALLAH
That's right. If we also compare the linguistic style of the Hadith (words of the Prophet Muhammad SAW) and Quran they're too far different to come from the same man. Prophet Muhammad SAW was also illiterate, and didn't have any relations to Judaism and Christianity, thus he couldn't have gotten information from the other two religions.
@@raxxxdi Illiterate doesn't mean, you don't have informations about a lot of things that exist in the theological and philosophical tradition around you. Maybe Mohammad was quite a knowledgeable man...
@@neatwheat That's where you are wrong. Muhammad PBUH didn't grow up in areas where there are many Christians or Jews at all, he lived in the heart of Paganism in Mecca his whole life. There's precisely only one Christian living in that place and he is not related to Muhammad PBUH until later on in his life when he seeks out opinion for his spiritual experience in a cave.
A poor orphaned young boy from birth, his mother died before he reached the age of 6, his grandfather also died shortly after that, and it was his uncle who raised him. He spent his time as a shepherd for his uncle and neighbors. His only experience of going outside the city growing up was the one time his uncle took him to Syam (current time Syiria, Palestine, Jordan and Lebanon) but before he even entered the place a Priest saw him and noticed the signs of Prophethood in the young boy so the Priest told his uncle to go back with the boy incase the other Priests or Jews Rabbis will try to kill him (because they would hate it that the final Prophet wasn't born from the Children of Israel).
The life of Muhammad PBUH before prophethood and after (23 years of his mission) is documented by many first-hand accounts and can be scrutinized if you wish to do that as well. You'll see there's no way he was the one who came up with the Quran. It's not normal for a human being to be able to keep lying for 23 years while making one comprehensive book, with no contradictions, errors, completely different orders than it was compiled (meaning a chapter of the Quran can be revealed from the last verses first, while the other chapters are also in progress, before it completion) and on top of that he wasn't able to write it down to keep up with the progress. So yes, it's not humanly possible.
@@raxxxdi But what if people there knew more than we give them credit for? Which kind of pagans were there anyway? Were there even still polytheistic people then?
Ok, just checked it: Yes, there were.
But he was sent to Syria at age 12 or 13, right? And there lived monotheistic semitic tribes. Gotta have picked up something there. And his uncle who took care of him for a while was the leader of an influential clan who gotta have had some education as an "upper class member" member of his clan. And Muhammad obviously worked as a travelling merchant for 20 years before he had the revelation in that cave in Mecca...
How bout Islam talks to the inner nature of people and that’s why it appealed and appeals today to so many people that are converting…
There we go. He Admited Quranic Arabic is different & difficult. Am glad he got that bit
It is not the every Arabs Arabic. God said " let anyone produce even a chapter like that of the Quran. Till today no one has been able to even produce a chapter let alone a whole book like that.
hey roni. you are making excuses for quran but the claim that quran is inimitable is stupid. there were poets in muhammad's time who could do unusual things with arabic. and when you look for aramaic influences you can find them in quran.
@@georgeh8937 Please don’t make yourself a laughing stock 😂
@@georgeh8937 pre-islamic poetry (jahili) and islamic poetry cannot even touch the Qur'an. It's obvious you know neither, and you're just repeating things you've heard. I have studied both. as far as "aramaic influence", arabic, aramaaic, and hebrew are semitic languages, in close regionality, of course they're close.
@georgeh8937 😂😂😂😂😂 your joker, honestly lol Arabs were really good at poetry but when they heard the Qur’an they were astonished n couldn't believe what they were hearing! The Qur’anic language n poetry is too unique they knew it couldn't be man made. Behave your self lol
@@tacom0nsta658 hello scholarly muslim. written arabic was incomplete during the time of muhammad so it would have impossible to understand just by reading the written version. it would take another two centuries before the necessary diacritical marks were in wide use. that makes the claim of quran being god's eternal testament that resides in heaven to be poetical exaggeration and factually wrong. otherwise god would have told muhammad to correct written arabic immediately to make it possible for believers to understand quran without outside help from people who already memorized the recitations first so they know what the words are supposed to be. that is why modern scholars find quran full of nonsense that needs explanation like muhammad stealing from syriac sources.
It is hyprocricy for someone criticizing Christianity to promote Islam. Atkeast former is indigenous to some extent.
آلله أكبر
ولله العزة و لرسوله الكريم وللمؤمنين و المؤمنات الأحياء منهم و الأموات
The professor is well read, but I think he’s way off on the Hajj as the what he thought as concessions to the pagans are actually to the contrary of how he presented it.
In Islam, All prophets were sent from the one God of the universe, including the father figure of Abraham, and the sacrifice comes from that tradition…in line with abrahamic faith.
One more minute thing he got wrong, perhaps a slip of the tongue from him, in 628 the agreement between the Muslims and the Meccans, most of the concessions went the Meccans way !
Hope you can invited Dr Roy Casagranda in another your podcast who lectured and teach at Texas Colleges where he can share many thing about ancient civilization. He very passionate person to know ancient history and political. I watch his video where he tells story about important figure who conquered Persia and Eastern Rome empires where Syria and holy city today. I believe if podcast did happen many information and knowledge we can learn also could be enjoy discussion or dialogue.
Abraham pbuh started the pilgrimage it was not copied from the pagans, I thought that you studied Islam??
The only religion that has withstood modern scholarship is Islam, which gave us the true word of God
Or maybe it is because scholarship has yet to break it.
Or maybe because scholarship doesn't really care for polemics to begin with.
Or maybe it has, for scholarship sees Hadith as later fabrications and not as authentic historical sources.
Or maybe because this professor is pro-islam and isn't really critical about it.
😂
Has it now??
Hahaha
Alhamdulillah
Well done professor. Yes, *the 3 first battles in the history of Islam were initiated by..the Meccan pagans* . And yet Muhammad amnestied them when he came back victorious to Mecca.
Ha, I just realized I have his book in my library, and I've read it.
Quran is a miracle
What's the miracle in it? Please pinpoint exactly
@@srebalanandasivam9563
There are many miracles in the Quran.
Examples
* info that are scientifically correct
* no contradictions
* Over it is 19
* MANY
@@srebalanandasivam9563 It's a bunch of nonsense.
@@AAA-q3f4j It's nonsense.
@@rephaimog4186
DN"T BE JEALOUS
*The new and old Testaments were NOT yet translated into Arabic at the time of prophet Muhammad. No way then he could have been inspired by the Gospels and the Torah* .
Umm... There are a lot of Jews and Christians who lived in the Middle East before islam, you just have to chat with them. And most people who live that time can't read, write and even do complex math. So, most oral ideas are shared around that area, thus getting info from both testament is easy. Only the rich and powerful own those types of books while the poor, well you don't want rebellion from the people.
The funny part, a Muslim channel made a cartoon for kids said khadija uncle translates the bible to Arabic. I like, wait, which is which? Did they translate or not?
@@lokisg3 A cartoon channel claaims the Testaments were translated into Arabic and you buy that?
@@lokisg3 The Bible, let's say indicates the sun rises in the east. The Quran, to mark its singularity, must announce the opposite, otherwise it had plagiarized the Bible ! What logic is this?
@@lokisg3 To sum it up, if the Quran was what you claim, most jews and Christians would embrace its content.
@@onlignebridge4224
First, explain the video in question. "Family Of Prophet Muhammad (SAW) Stories | Khadija (RA) Wife Of Prophet | Part 2 | Quran Stories"
Then skip to 6:15 and listen that Khadija cousin translate the scripters in Arabic.
I suggest that the anchorman invites muslim scholars the likes of mohammad hijab, adnan rasid, shabir ally, zakir naik, kalid yasin, ali atae, uthan farouk, and many others who can explain what true Islami is , Quran, Allah. Prophet Muhammad pub, without bias etc
I like how genuinely curious the host is and he asks pretty insightful questions
Quran comes closest to finding the truth than any other ancient scripture. You guys are having trouble accepting that
THE QURAN IS THE BOOK OF TRUTH AND GUIDANCE SURELY WITHOUT DOUBT
#ReligionIsFiction - All of it
I disagree with him about what happened during the negotiations of Hudaybiyya. The pagan Meccans did not insist on having three gods mentioned in the treaty. The thing they objected to was the name Arrahman translated as compassionate which they claimed they are not familiar with. This guy is totally wrong.
These are excerpts from one article:
When the Treaty of Hudaybiyya was being indited, an incident took place which throws a revealing sidelight upon the character of the various protagonists engaged in drafting its terms.
Dictating to Ali, the Prophet said: “Write, In the name of Allah, the Most Merciful, the Most Beneficent.” Suhayl, the Makkan envoy, at once raised objection, and said, “Do not write this. Instead, write, ‘In Thy name O Allah.'“ The Prophet complied with this demand.
The Prophet next asked Ali to write: “This is a treaty of peace between Muhammad, the Messenger of God and the Quraysh...” Suhayl again objected, and said: “If we had acknowledged you a messenger of God, why would we be fighting against you? Therefore, do not write the words, ‘the Messenger of God,' and write only your own name and the name of your father.”
The Prophet was agreeable to comply with this demand also but Ali had already written the words, “Muhammad, the Messenger of God,” and he refused to delete them. He said to his master: “This high rank has been bestowed upon you by Allah Himself, and I shall never delete the words ‘Messenger of Allah' with my hand.” Thereupon, the Prophet took the pen in his own hand, and deleted the words which were offensive to the idolaters.
The Treaty of Hudaybiyya was signed on two copies, one for each party.
He wouldnt care about your dissagreement.
Sometimes, people just need to find something to encourage their skeptical opinion.
"Indeed We have created man, and We know whatever thoughts his inner self develops, and We are closer to him than (his) jugular vein" (Surah 50:16). This verse from Quran clearly tells us concept of GOD is not extreme remote in Islam as the Professor tried to point out several times.
I think what his meaning is this idea of an interventionist idea of GOD, This idea that God takes exacting action on human lives. Away from this idea of for example of Greek or Roman gods that personally effect human lives. I am more of the belief that yes Allah created the universe but Allah is all powerful but doesn't literally cause everything to occur. All occurrence is source to Him but not in the way we imagined a potter shapes and mould clay into a vase for example.
@@afandingaiman exactly ultimately the route we take is our decision that's why not everyone will get to Janna
Who are “we”?
@@kiko8u the divine "we" similar to the royal "we" it doesn't mean multiple deity...it is just how it is translated to English.
@@kiko8u as in the Bible man created in OUR likeness
That fact that god had sent the prophet with a revelation a book, the idea that the prophet then passed away and a book was then revealed a couple a hundred years later is nonsense. The delivering of the book was the prophet's primary mission, the book was here, completed within the lifetime of the prophet.
The book wasn't revealed two hundred years later. They feeding y'all the wrong info and you just run with it. Prophet Muhammad shared everything that was revealed to him before he died. The complete revelation of the book took 20+ years. At the time of his death many Muslims memorized the Holy Quran and they had it written down also. The companion of Prophet Muhammad officially compiled it together. He was a companion so it couldn't have been 200yrs later.
It was compiled ten years after his death not 200 years it was compiled by his companions so clearly couldn’t be 200 years please do more research before commenting on something you know nothing about😂
these discussions on Islam are quite superficial and not well thought through... the guest doesnt mention the significance of Mecca for Muslims and Muhammad. Muslims believe that they are just following the religion of Abraham and the Kabaa was built by Abraham as a place for pilgrimmage and worship of one God. Over the centuries, the kabaa became
a house for 360 idols and the pagans changed the pilgrimmage and rituals for paganism. When Muhammad conquered Mecca he destroyed all the idols and re-instated the pilgrimmage, in effect purifying the Kabaa and the pilgrimmage. Thus Muslims are not following paganism - rather they are following Abraham.
Regarding the year of elephant, the question is: how were the elephants watered in the Arabian desert? I am told an elephant drinks 300 liters of water daily. An auxiliary question would be about the tons of vegetation needed to feed them daily. There is no such resource available in Mecca region for hundreds of miles.
The troops that took elephants wanted to go to Mecca and didn't reach it.
I believe in Yemen where they came from there were springs and cultivation.
@@SomeMan001 plus, Mecca is not in desert, it is in Hijaz, there is campaigns recorded for elephants in Najd which is another plateau falling between Hijaz and desert with much less water
Because the story is made up. The Quranic verse about the "master of the elephant" provides no details. The verse in fact seems to be asking the believer to remember the Maccabees. There is no Islamic history in Mecca dating back earlier than the 8th century. Mecca is barren. Incapable of sustaining life without infrastructure.
@@issameg1 Bro, Makkah is an oasis in the desert that is also full of sand.
If you didn't go there, then you have no idea what you're talking about. And don't tell me how it look now or it'll be a ridiculous argument.
@@samuelmorales2344 It didn't bring details because simply it was known to people in Makkah back then. Ans it is a miserable trial to stick that to your delusional thoughts about a connection existed only in your head between this and the Maccabees. lol
Just to remind in the Quran the king mentioned is not Alexander with Gog Magog story... Alexander was pagan king...while Quran mentioned a king believing in one God.... Also in the time Prophet Mosa ale salam old testament there was no Alexander....
When I read the interpretation of some verses of Quran I deeply realize it is not the same as in Arabic the images the beyond the between of the same word in Arabic isn't reflected as it in the interpretation however so unless you know Arabic you won't understand Quran .
Hey Derek, I hope you’re well. Thanks a lot for the discussion between you and Mr. Howard-Johnston. The conversation brought a few things to mind.
11 minutes in, Dr. James says something quite profound.
“It’s hard to conceive that people would tamper fundamentally with the extraordinary story of the Prophet’s life. Given that he was their Prophet, that their faith was based upon the words he uttered and which they viewed as coming from God the Lone Supperme all inspiring God.”
The key word here… uttered.
And I don’t recall David (3s) being a shepherd, but he was a Prophet of God according to the Bible [Acts 2:30]. Wouldn’t that kill Sean Anthony’s whole premise?
I found it quite sincere of you to state your belief on the likelihood of Muhammad’s words being pretty much preserved. Perks of talking to academics.
Mr. Howard-Johnston made an unusual and unwarranted claim about the qibla being changed after the treaty, which seems false due to multiple reasons. Selective reading into the sira isn’t going to help anyone's case.
The treaty was done when the Muslims were trying to make the pilgrimage, which logically means it was already a qibla by then. Additionally, it is important to know why the Qibla was facing Jerusalem, to begin with. It seems like Mr. Howard-Johnston is coming from a Christian mindset where he thinks that Muhammad is trying to impress the Christians and the Jews, while not considering the Quran constantly admonishing them. So how does that work? He even said it when he was talking about Surah 2. Quite bizarre.
These Arabs were coming out of paganism and they needed to get used to praying to the unseen. The concept of the unseen is very important in Islam and these people needed to get used to it. So for over a decade, they prayed facing Jerusalem which was unseen, and then when they went to Medina, it changed to Mecca, making it also unseen. It’s literally that simple.
Plus the treaty didn’t help any of the Quraish elite. They all died with the exception of two or three. So again, not sure where he’s getting this from.
He also conveniently forgot to mention the part of the treaty where it says “Whoever flees to Muhammad from Mecca without the permission of his guardians will be sent back to the Quraysh, but whoever comes to the Quraysh from the Muslims will not be sent back to the Muslims” This is key because it falsifies a major part of his hypothesis.
Plus it also seems like Mr. Howard-Johnston misunderstands the theology of the pre-Islamic Arabs. They believed in Allah but used these idols as intermediaries to the Creator.
It is quite clear if the premise is wrong, anything added to it will most likely be wrong.
In conclusion, I appreciate you giving your audience a chance to hear more about Islam and I’m sure these types of videos move people to read the Quran. So as a viewer and a believer, I thank you for that. I hope to see some of those personalities I’ve mentioned to you before.
Have a great morning Derek and peace be with you.
But don't you duck the reason for the change of Kibla?
Are you happy with it simply being a 'test'?
If the 'Unseen' is originally Jerusalem, and Mecca is still 'Unseen' (but much less 'unseen' to Meccans?), why change from a very much 'Unseen' far-away Jerusalem to a much less 'Unseen' Mecca?
Notwithstanding Jerusalem is clearly the Holy City for many Arabs pre-Islam.
The paradox of Islam is trying to rationalize the urge to power in the world of Dunya, as opposed to a wholly spiritual or abstract, or 'Unseen' sense of truth?
Ie you have to make political compromizes if you attempt to obtain temporal power ? The change of Qibla to Mecca makes a lot of sense in this respect.
Render unto Caesar what is Caesars, Render unto God what is Gods, if we discuss 'spirituality' ?
If you try and mix the two, it all get a bit murky doesn't it?
@@petergrimshaw492 [ But don't you duck the reason for the change of Kibla? ]
Actually it makes a lot of sense because the Israelites periodically were promised that land (and occupied it briefly) after their Hijrah from Egypt. So it became their Qibla after they spread out into other lands following the destruction of the Second Temple.
So for Muhammad, the Gentile Prophet, to be revealed by God that the Qibla is change to Mecca following the early Muslim's Hijrah (mirroring the Israelites), it makes full theological sense and is quite a meaningful event.
[ If the 'Unseen' is originally Jerusalem, and Mecca is still 'Unseen' (but much less 'unseen' to Meccans?), why change from a very much 'Unseen' far-away Jerusalem to a much less 'Unseen' Mecca? ]
Palestine was "unseen" when the Israelites were in Egypt. Does the argument work both ways?
[ The paradox of Islam is trying to rationalize the urge to power in the world of Dunya, as opposed to a wholly spiritual or abstract, or 'Unseen' sense of truth? ]
There is no paradox when it is in perfect continuity with Moses and the the rest of the Prophets who all held the same thing. There is no "spiritual vs worldly" dichotomy in the "Old Testament". God has full authority over this world and the next. That is why God revealed the Torah, not to be taken as metaphor but to build empires on. The Jews failed, the Christians failed, whereas the Muslims outlasted the Christians (namely Catholics).
[ Render unto God what is Gods ]
God's is all of creation. God is not a once-a-week hobby. God's Law is Law, full stop.
@dadrew TV with corrections.. like a fact checker
@@petergrimshaw492 Hello. My apologies, I didn't see this comment.
Why are you under the impression that Islam teaches people to work for the dunya? It's quite the opposite. But I'm looking forward to your reasoning for the assumption.
@dadrew TV I believe your comment was removed. UA-cam removes links. What I mean is that the stories in the Quran do resemble the bible, but the details are different. Haman in the bible and the Quran are two different people. The one in the bible has no historical backing, while the Haman in the Quran does. This is one example of many
51:58 Ok2... I see where the professor is going... He's postulating that in the end, the Meccan leaders saw a win-win situation with the anticipation that many will still flock to Mecca keeping it thriving - because Mecca will still remain central and well visited
who are we (being a limited creature) to decide what God can do and cannot do? what for sure we are capable to do is to mess around with the creation of God; like climate for instance🙂
What an exchange of intelligent thoughts Derek is as I informed as the professor. Thanks Derek for presenting such an intellectual discussion and bringing Prof Johnston on board. We all learned a lot from it.
1:08:00 , there’s all sorts of inconsistencies in the Quran he says trying to answer or not answer rather to a question by some islamophobe .
The professor started by saying: Inam not an Islamic scholar or a Quran scholar…. Then he should stick with that and his stories.
As for the verse the guy was mockingly asking, not that he’s interested as I can tell:
It simply states that the jinn were being shot and here is the actual verse and it’s English translation:
﴿وَأَنَّا كُنَّا نَقْعُدُ مِنْهَا مَقَاعِدَ لِلسَّمْعِ ۖ فَمَن يَسْتَمِعِ الْآنَ يَجِدْ لَهُ شِهَابًا رَّصَدًا﴾
[ الجن: 9]
English - Sahih International
And we used to sit therein in positions for hearing, but whoever listens now will find a burning flame lying in wait for him.
Surah Al-Jinn
In a dialogue about religious beliefs, it is important to recognize that people hold diverse perspectives and interpretations based on their cultural, religious, and personal backgrounds. It is necessary to consider that no specific source or authority is the ultimate truth, as truth can be subjective and personal within the context of faith.
Engaging in a respectful dialogue means being open to different perspectives, valuing mutual understanding, and seeking common ground. It is not about enforcing one viewpoint over another but about fostering understanding and empathy.
as Muslim and an Arab (deeply infected by the contagious religion Islam as James Howard-Johnston called it) I am open to hear all viewpoint and interpretations as long as presented in a respectful way and context and maybe give the Islamic interpretation of some points.
I have noticed an unfortunate trend among certain scholars and UA-camrs who tend to dismiss Islamic writings by asserting that they are biased. It is important to emphasize the significance of relying on credible external sources. However, I cannot help but question whether these external sources are entirely impartial when it comes to their own religious beliefs and perspectives. Making sweeping generalizations that Muslims are inherently biased while non-Muslims are unbiased is an oversimplification and can be seen as an exclamation rather than an accurate reflection of reality. Bias can exist within individuals of any religious or non-religious background. It is crucial to approach scholarly research with a critical mindset, evaluating sources based on their credibility, methodology, and their ability to provide a balanced presentation of various viewpoints
at the end thank you all for reading my comment to this point
I am most interested in the Hadeeth.
Even the Quran is a Hadeith!
No ARCHEOLOGY or historical evidence from before the 7th century exists. There is NO proof that a real man named Mohammed ever lived in history like there is for outside sources. Many non-Christians wrote about Jesus during the first century. Not one ancient document had witnesses and documentation closer to actual events than the NT of the Bible. Not one.
@rachael3050 the Quran is a Hadeeth!
Watch Christian Prince he knows them by heart! He will answer any question or challenge.
When something is analyzed it always has to have a baseline. You have something to relate it to. Maybe you need to realize and accept this?
@@camille11izeChristian prince is just a liar and deceiver. Can't hold debate with intellectuals, only find people that have no knowledge of the Qur'an nor hadith and give them his interpretation.
Everything he ever claims are debunked.
I have a lot to comment here, but since I see many already replied on some of the points I wanted to address, I will just add two things:
First, the name of God “Allah” is not one of the three gods worshipped by pagans Arabs, I think he got it mixed up with Alat as in Hubal, Alat and Al-Uzza. But, they were aware of the name Allah is the supreme God above the mini gods which they were like the connection links between them and the supreme God and the actors on his behalf.
Second, the Hudaibyah treaty was if someone reverted to Islam from Makkah and fled to Maddinah, is to be given back to Makkah where if someone wanted to leave Islam, can return safely to Makkah
Contrary to what ISIS committed, *the Qur'an offers just 2 options regarding the prisoners of war.: Setting them free or exchanging them against Muslim captives. Execution and enslavement are NOT envisaged* . See Chapter Muhammad, verse 4: "So when you meet those who disbelieve [ *in battle* ], strike [their] necks until, when you have inflicted slaughter upon them, then secure their bonds, and *either [confer] favor afterwards or ransom [them]* until the war lays down its burdens.."
There clearly is a distinction to make between the initial meaning of the coranic text (which was originally christian, though anti-trinitarian) and the meaning that was imposed (and distorted) later (9th and 10th centuries) by the abbassid caliphs (with the creation of the so-called "prophetic tradition" or "sunnah" with a multitude of hadiths, tafsir and siraa inventions).
Their goal was to create a new religion serving their imperial interests of conquest and domination by the sword
Qiblah changed in 624 according to Seera. Hudaybiah was signed in 628. Second chapter was revealed over 9 years.
He said the dating of the change of the qibla in the sira contradicts the dating of the soura(chapter) itself. I'm not sure if that's right or wrong but he said that.
Seera is bogus knowledge; except some….
@@obaidulhaque7687 lol 😆 okay you seem to know more than everyone
One thing to be careful of is to avoid Judeo-Christian understandings when interpreting the Muslim viewpoint...for instance, Jinn and angels aren't necessarily immaterial, so that being affected by material things may not seem so odd. Jinn are believed to be made of a smokeless fire, whatever that means. And angels are believed to be made of light, whatever that means.
In the classical Christian thought, angels and demons are immaterial. So this can be a huge difference
Islam is great religion no need to be proved by anyone and it’s a religion of future. God promised prophet Mohammed (ص) his name will be well known till end of time ( alive ). Even nowadays, most of Muslim baby boy named Mohammed Subhanallah !
The changing of Qiblah is a return to the original Qiblah of Abraham. Qur'an 2: 144 said the people of the book (Jews) knew such to be true. The Jews are so attached to the Phylactery (a model of the Kaaba?).
The best translation to get is The Clear Qur'an by Mustafa Khatab
I disagree, it's not faithful to the Arabic. Clear Quran by Talal Itani is way better.
I disagree too. Clear Quran by Mustafa Khattab has many errors in translation. It contains much interpretation in many cases.
i think one should check out several translations. Unfortunately no translation can nail the meaning 100%
syed abuala moudoodi meaning of quran is best in all time ;its original in urdu but translated in all languages ;just google it and purchase online
With all my respect Dr James you either lack so many information about the Kaaba, or you have just chosen to ignore those very information, which I think is the case. The point is that in Islam the Kaaba is a holy house built first by the father of humanity Adam, then demolished and built again by Abraham and his son Ishmael. This is the reason for the annual pilgrimage of the sons of Ismael (the Arabs) to Mecca. When the word of God was lost, pagans added idols in the Holy Cube to be worshiped along with the God of Abraham. Mohamed (pbuh) attempted and succeeded to take it back from the idol-worshiping tribe. Check first the already mentioned information and then check your knowledge of the language of the Qur'an, and finally, try to use its official new authorized version.
All religions.
Very interesting as history and how we got here.
What frees the mind?
Not being brought up in religion.
Ethics and morality exist by themselves and are expressed through justice.
Non religious people look on aghast at what goes on.
Russia is not part of Gog n Magog. It’s a wrong perception.
Volga valley is gog and magon.currently russia
Gig and Magog are not Russia lol, Magog is king of the locusts.
Gog & Magog are Human Beings of different Asiatic Descents that are explicitly described as : Flat Nosed ,Broad faced ,Small eyed ...
The Quran speaks about them being stopped by the pious King Cyrus the Great ( Thu Lqarnayn / The two Horned one )... Who built an infrastructure to stop the advancement of these Gog & Magog tribes...The verse ends with the idea that the purpose of this infrastructure will end & that peoples afterwards will go back to mixing with each other like waves do in the Sea !!!
You cannot tell exactly who Gog & Magog are ..but these two tribes are among us ...They never ceased to exist since Cyrus the Great because they are Normal human beings breeding living & dying like all other humans .....Maybe they are the Chinese maybe the Koreans ....No one knows how these Asiatic people will reemerge in the end of days & under what political& Military expansion & ideology.
A few years back I took a Christian eschatology course. Anyway, during the class I asked what Gog Magog meant in Christianity? And the woman heading the group said it was a war with Russia. I don’t know, but it does appear we as people have been walking the same path as our ancient ancestors only in reverse. It does seem as if humanity from around this world are in more ways than we may ever realize are being brought back together.
For correction is not words of Muhammad, but words of God, and Allah sent prophet to different people at stage until the final and last prophet Muhammad.but Jew and Christian are in denial, Quran said categorically about oneness of God and so the previous prophet.
You have to let your guests develop their ideas
Thank you for great interview and knowledge of the guest; I watched it very late..
However, there are TWO critical mistakes, as also always Christian Missionaries do,
(1) In the Quran, there is NO shooting STARS. The Quran stated clearly that those Divils when cross their authorised borders in the Heavens they will be hitted by METEORITES (Not STARS).
(2) The Pagan God before Islam in the Kaaba was LLATA (اللات) and Not ALLAH (الله). These are two completely different names, I don't understand how came non-Muslims are completely confused, it seems that this is just FABRICATION from Christian Missionaries to deceive people !!??
Also they interpret jins as spirit which is totally wrong. Jins are created from smokeless fire which is matter itself. So the question is wrong considering the verse made reference to jins not spirit.
Few Notes:
1. Prophet Abraham had built the Ka’aba with his son Ishmael. The children of Ishmael continued to worship One true God until the time of Amr b. Luhayy b. Qam’a b. Khindiff who was the first to start the worshipping of idols. About him Prophet Muhammad once said, “I saw Amr b. Luhayy dragging his intestines in hell, and when I asked him about those who lived between his time and mine he said that they had perished…He was the first to change the religion of Ishmael, to set up idols, and institute the custom of the bahira, sa’iba, wasila, and hami.”
2. According to Ibn Ishaq, the ancient historian, “the beginning of stone worship among the sons of Ishmael was when Mecca became too small for them and they wanted more room in the country. Everyone who left the town took with him a stone from the sacred area to do honor to it. Wherever they settled, they set it up and walked round it as they went round Ka’aba. This led them to worship what stones they pleased and those which made an impression on them. Thus as generations passed they forgot their primitive faith and adopted another religion for that of Abraham and Ishmael. They worshipped idols and adopted the same errors as the peoples before them” (Seerah by Ibn Ishaq).
3. Even Western scholars who are hostile to Islam argue the point that monotheism was native to Arabia. H.A.R Gibb in his book ‘Muhammedanism’ argues that “The existence of a supreme God, Allah, is assumed as an axiom common to Muhammad and his opponents. The Koran never argues the point; what it does argue is that He is the one and only one. La ilaha illa’aalah, ‘there is no god but Allah. But it is more doubtful whether this is to be regarded as the direct deposit of Christian or Jewish teaching. In the Koran it is connected with a different tradition altogether, an obscure Arabian tradition represented by the so-called ‘hanifs’, pre-Islamic monotheists whose very name shows that the Syrians regarded them as non-Christians (Syriac “hanpa”, ‘heathen’). Muhammad glories in the name and attaches it as a distinctive epithet to Abraham, “who was neither Jew nor Christian.”
Source?
I don’t find the discussion neutral ! Under the guise of academics lots of attacks made. You should bring Islamic scholars on … they will blow your mind.
God, I love those glasses that split apart at the nose. Impresses me more than splitting the moon. Really need to get me a pair.
@@reflect7868 Will do!
Good talk but sadly many things he said are purely 'theories'..
While there are sources that do shows & proves otherwise..
So i think he needs to stop cherry pick sources that fits his opinions & narratives..tho we even have non-muslims sources that do agree completely to the current islamic positions and beliefs system..
Other than that all his points can be verily easily counter as there are no definitive proofs for all his so call 'islam real history'!
Derek, that was a brilliant episode. Dr Howard Johnson is an absolute charmer and his ideas behind the change of direction between Jerusalem and Mecca was fascinating, plenty of food for thought.
Bring him back I want to hear about Gog and Magog, that sounds like a superhero story!
It would be difficult for a good Muslim to lie about the life of our prophet pbuh as Muhammad pbuh warned about lying about him.
Muslim sources are more reliable than non Muslim sources.
He says: “Mecca was a city-state.” And “Mecca was the largest city in Arabia?”Really? LoL Did they mint their own coins in Mecca? Romans and Persians were sitting there idly and not collecting taxes from a major city-state or appointing governors? What was the population of Mecca? Some Muslim scholars recently have estimated Mecca’s population at the time of Muhammad as 600-900!!! Hardly a city-state!! To have a proper city-state you need more than that as state employees, servants and law enforcement and military/defense!!
On the year of elephant: sirah says Muhammad was born in 570 and that was the year of elephant. Professor Johnston says there is evidence of Abraha attacking in 570’s. Firstly there is some 10-20 yrs difference bw what archeology says as Abraha’s attack in Arabia and what Sirah says, secondly there is no archeological evidence Abraha actually attacked Mecca. I’m really baffled by some of his arguments and statements.
I just add this: the whole problem is that almost all the information about the life of Muhammad from the traditional islamic narrative which can be subjected to verification via outside sources or tools turns out to be false! And Professor Johnston is completely misinterpreting this fact and calls Sirah as being supported by outside evidence. Just the fact that the Sirah talks about the year of elephant doesn't mean much unless it's accurate about the exact time and location.
😂 Its Mel a Jay's conspiracy minded acolyte 🤣
If your IQ allows you to believe Al Tabari’s hallucinations that Muhammad needed 10000 troops to conquer Mecca be my guest 🤣🤣. BTW what I said is exactly what Stephen Shoemaker says in his most recent book about Mecca.
@@traveleurope5756 I think your completely misunderstanding why he thinks the sirah can be used as a historical text to form a historical hypothesis. Bit of a clue 🤣 its the same reason why shoemaker cannot say they was no place in the hijaz called mecca 🤣 the difference is what was it, how big was it, did it have historical significance etc etc and everyone has different views that are shaped around a historical paradigm. All historical sources are unreliable by there nature, whereas originals are absent even more so. The points of sirah convergence 6 main points of convergence are reliable major events that are attested by epigraphic evidence, chronological drift (in this instance) doesn't undermine the convergence, it maybe signaling bad written or oral transmission, if the date lined up perfectly you might suspect it was a later forgery. As far as information that is Checkable the sirah is just as reliable as any other historical document in some instances. An argument from silence of meccan archeology is insufficient for a historian to ignore a historical text that has contained information that has proven useful in the past, as that's what they practice, the study of historical text.
@@thepennydreadful95 I think you are completely misunderstanding my arguments, his arguments and the Sirah 🤣My argument is that most objectively verifiable data from Sirah do not pass the verification test. Prof. Johnston is referring to very specific detailed data from the Sirah as evidence for its reliability, eg the "year of elephant" and "the Abrarah attack on Mecca" and he is ignoring that Sirah is WRONG about both of them! THE SIRAH IS WRONG ABOUT WHEN THE YEAR OF ELEPHANT WAS AND WHERE ABRAHAH ATTACKED. (A vague memory from these events could have survived till the time of Al Tabari and he simply chose to throw them in his stories, as simple as that. This doesn't mean he knew what he was talking about! ) The main thrust of the Sirah is that the Quraysh was the most affluent, powerful, and influential tribe among the Arabs and by the same token Mecca was the most important and richest city in Arabia, and by virtue of these Muhammad was able to unify the entire Arab tribes. So Mecca being a major city and not a village is a very critical aspect of the Sirah's narrative (exactly what Pro.f Johnston emphasized on). Most likely Mecca was a tiny village before Islam (and Al Zubair's actions), but was it the most important and affluent city of Arabia as the Sirah requires hard to believe! This is what Shoemaker says too.
Makkah pagan tradition was not pangan in its origin but from Abraham's monotheism as taught by God. Islam revived that tradition and cleaned up the pagan elements altogether
The Quran is the only religious and secular book that has remain unchanged since 7th century and memorized by millions of peol[ple over the world.
That's not remotely true.
What a waste of time
Wrong. Sacrifice of Goat etc was not pandering to pagans. Jews and Christians were sacrificing animals from well before.
It always proves itself.
The Hajj is also a relic of Abraham and Ishmael. See the book of Rabbi Lipkin; Back to Mecca.
The revelation order of the suras can be found in line. Thanks guys good video
The discussion on Islam authenticity is undoubtedly favor its solid grounds. The relationship with Christian and Jewish doctrines is there but it is not fundamental in any way to Islam!
There are no inconsistencies in the Qur’an but there are nuances in the Holy Qur’an. A fluent Arabic reader/scholar, would be able to understand this but a non Arabic speaking scholar would NOT!
Not even that as Arabic of 7th century has been lost
Pff, clever hack... I do not find any inconsistencies in the Quran but I do see them in understanding.
Great video!
Awesome. A genuine host and a byzantologist who also knows islam⚡⚡
Please read the Noble Quran and learn a lot more about Jesus and Mary chapter 19 and Islam.
Very interesting accept that Dr. James missed the fact that Haj is found in the old testament in the story of Moses. It's not a pagan practice.
Which verse
I am surprised that Battle of Mutah (year 629) is not mentioned. It was the first battle between Muslims and Byzantines and it was chronicled in non-muslim sources.
Did Muhammad lead the battle?
@@inquisitivemind007 no, apparently the non Muslim chronicles indicate that this war took place because the Arabs wanted to conquer Jerusalem but Muslim sources say that it was the killing of a Muslim messenger by the Romans which started this battle.
@@inquisitivemind007 no. Zaid bin hartha then khalid bin walid. But during life time of the prophet
With regards to the sacrifices made during haj, these were not originally pagan rituals. They are linked to Abraham's story when Allah ordered him, in his old age, to sacrifice his only son as a test to his faith (Ishmael was the sacrifice as Isac hadn't been born yet) and when he was just about to carry out the order, Allah provided a ram to be sacrificed instead of Ishmael and because he passed the test Allah blessed him with a second son (Isac) . This became part of the ritual of haj which started at the time of Abraham and the Arabs afterwards, who are descendants of Ishmael and followed Abraham and Ishmael's faith, continued this ritual of sacrifice during haj and later on as they drifted away from the true faith into paganism, introduced some other activities to the haj which were not ordained by Allah. When prophet Mahammed PBUH came, he taught the believers how to perform haj the correct way and eliminated innovations that were not ordained by Allah and kept those acts that were actually part of the original haj as performed by Abraham.
Thanks for sharing this
Who says there's no demons / evil in Islam? Allah calls Satan our enemy and shares part of His conversation with Satan in Quran (15:42) "Over My true servants you will be able to exercise no power, your power will be confined to the erring ones, those who choose to follow you"
All this conversation prove one thing: intelligence is not enough to understand and find the faith.
Belief is also about the heart.
You mean ignorance? Agreed. It's easier to dismiss all the work you have to do to source the truth and blindly follow what feels good and convenient to you.
Belief? Do you mean faith?
Yeah, these are in no way a reliable means to arrive at truth. Any assertion can be believed - if belief were reliable Hinduism would also be true. You are being very silly.
Yes Muhammad is ummiy means a "gentile". Not illiterate.
Brilliant
Thank you.
It’s odd he calls him a profit.
Mohamed was a warlord.
I find it very hard to believe JHJ is a historian. For example, how could a place like Mecca have supported a society large enough to have an army? How could it have supported even a few dozen people?
When do u think the city was built?😊
@@saadsalman6641 Queen Zubaydah had an aqueduct built to supply water to Mecca which was completed in 801AD. This provided water for the pilgrims. Prior to this, water was in very short supply. So I would suggest that in the 7th century, Mecca was barely a village. Following the establishment of Islam at the end of the 7th century, it began to grow, but could only become a city once it had a secure water supply.
@@frankszanto What about ummayad era. Hajj and Umra were routine worships. Zubeda was Abbasid queen. Her canal was meant not for a new city, but a city where pligrimage was already performed.
@@saadsalman6641 Sure, pilgrimage was being performed, but there was not enough water to support a city. The Zamzam spring could only support a small village, not a city.
What are you talking about? To this day Zamzam spring provides its waters to millions of pilgrims 24/7
In the battle of Badr, Satan himself comes and urges the pagans from mecca to destroy the Noble prophet and his followers, he was the one talking with Abu jahal, telling him best chance to wipe out Islam. Howard has a lot to learn,
As Carrier fan, I'd be interested in mystery religion influence on Islam. Who could take a stab at that?
"Have you not seen how those who have been forbidden to hold secret conversations go back afterwards and hold them, and conspire with one another in what is sinful, hostile, and disobedient to the Messenger? When they come to you they greet you with words God has never used to greet you, and say inwardly, ‘Why does God not punish us for what we say?’ Hell will be punishment enough for them: they will burn there- an evil destination." - Qur'an, Surah 58:8
@@oceanmachine1906 you realize that every christian believes the same for those who deny the "true" faith of Christ. And every Jew believes that same fate awaits christians and muslims.. plus, having lived with Muslims all my life, very many of them won't make it to heaven either.,
The conqueror determines the faith. The conquered faith is deemed from the devil... Rinse and repeat.
@@jullietmburu9672
What?really son?
But you gonna make it to heaven?
Ha! For sure!
😂
As for an English translation, multiple versions are available on the internet which are easier to search than printed copies. Given the contradictions in the Quran, and the doctrine of abrogation, it is important to read it in chronological sequence, with the later verses first. There is an edition by Tommy Robinson and Peter McLougnlan in the standard chronological order, but which also discusses the difficulty of reconstructing it.
Wow this man is right on the money. the hudaibia treaty was THE turning point of Islam. Scheikh Imran Hussein talked about the specifics of this important point in islam as a lecture about the political brilliance of the prophet.
Aka BSer
If this show ran for 12 hours I still would’ve watched it all. Amazing guest please make this a more occurring guest
Congratulations to Dr Howard for understanding quite accurately the monotheistic doctrine in Islam. He has also confirmed the seerah or the history of the Prophet Mohamed (pbuh) through his own historical sources.
Dr Howard may have understood that Quran is the historical testimonial for the events during the 23 years of the Prophetic mission where the time, places and the circumstances of the revelations of every verse in Quran have been recorded.
Dr Howard would've realised that Prophet Mohamed (pbuh) was indeed a mighty messenger of God Almighty sent in the chain of messengers Abraham, Moses, Solomon, David and Jesus ( peace be upon all of them).
Dr Howard should explore the narrative in verse 17:1 in Quran about his miraculous night journey from Makkah in Arabia to Al Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem and met with the spirits of all previous prophets. He transformed the nomad Arabic population into a powerful civilization within 23 years of his prophethood so that Muslims later conquered Persia, Byzantine empire and Jerusalem.
After the conquest of Jerusalem the second Caliph Omer declared the church of Sepulchre the holiest shrine in Christianity, where the empty tomb of Jesus (pbuh) is believed to be located, under the protection of Muslims. Even today the decree of Caliph Omar is displayed outside the church and the keys of the church is held with Palastenian Muslims. Please see the following short documentary for further details.
ua-cam.com/video/PrsqNJIRGPUu/v-deo.html
@Shashank Tripathi From your name I can guess that you are Hindu. Fighting of Dharma or justice against evil is universal such as Rama against Ravana and the battle in Mahabharatha. Prophet Mohmed's struggle against his persecutors was similar. You must study the rise of Islam from a tribal nomadic community to powerful Islamic empires in Asia, Europe and Africa. Please refer to Mythvision podcast
ua-cam.com/video/NQxKg2FtoqY/v-deo.html&si=EnSIkaIECMiOmarE
The transformation effected by Muhammad and the Quran on the Arab peoples of the time was indeed impressive but does not prove that Islam is the truth that it claims to be.
For instance if the Torah and Injeel were revealed by the same Deity and Muslims now claim they have been tampered with and are not trustworthy, why should we believe the same Deity can preserve the Quran?
That is just one of very many problems with Islam's claims.
It is a man made concoction which takes advantage of the human need for a Deity and moral law but does not display evidence of being a divine revelation.
@@thenowchurch6419 The reason why Torah and Injeel are not protected by God is that they were revealed to a particular community and for a limited period. Quran is the last revelation for the whole mankind.
Please consider the following to recognise the Quran as divine scripture.
Prophet Mohmed was illiterate in reading and writing of Arabic language and he was incapable of producing a a document of 6146 verses of excellent literature in Arabic language.
It was initially memorised by the Prophet then his companions and to date millions have memorised it. Its preservation for the last 1,400 years is through oral traditions.
If all manuscripts and written records are destroyed it can be reproduced to its original text by hundreds of thousands of Qari, those who memorised it, all over the world. It cannot be said to any other scriptures available to mankind.
@@nakeebissadeen1606 With all due respect you are just parroting talking points that do not make sense or line up with truth.
If we grant that the Torah was temporary and only for one nation, then we should acknowledge that the Injeel ( The Gospels) were sent to call all nations and that is why there are Christians in most nations of the world.
It is a lie to say that the Gospel message was temporary or only for one nation.
The Gospels were translated into Greek and various languages including English in order to reach the whole known world but the Quran is written in a language that only a small percentage of the world understands and we are told that it cannot be properly understood by non-Arabic speakers.
That does not qualify as a universal revelation.
The identity of Muhammad is shrouded in mystery and the composition of the Quran is as well.
We have no proof that it came from just one man.
Was Muhammad a merchant who would have had to have been literate or was he a poor illiterate keeper of livestock?
How do you explain the strong hadiths that claim parts of the Quran were forgotten and some pages were eaten by a goat according to Aisha?
On top of that we have Islamic scholar Yassur Khadi claiming that there are gaping holes in the narrative that the Quran was perfectly preserved.
The recitations by Muslims around the world have differences, some minor and some are major. It cannot be accurately remade if all manuscripts were destroyed.
Those are myths given to the lay Muslims like yourself by the scholars.
Study this more in depth and you will see.
@@thenowchurch6419 Onus is on me to clear your misconceptions.
First of all Gospels are not Injeel. The revelations to Jesus was in Hebrew Aramaic language. Gospels, written in Greek by unknown authors, are a mixture of third party narrative of what God said, what Jesus said and what others said about Jesus. Original Aramaic version of Injeel became extinct when Jewish Christianity was eliminated in Jerusalem during the third century AD.
Seerah of Prophet Mohamed or his history was recorded by early Islamic historians and later confirmed by non Islamic sources as Dr Howard mentioned in the above interview. The revelation of each and every verse of the Quran was recorded with the location, period and circumstances. Arabic is not a minority language. The language was adopted by many countries such as Egypt, many African countries and even in countries under the Ottoman empire. Today it is either spoken or adopted as a second language by 2 billion Muslims around the world.
You Don have to listen to Dr Yasir Qathi. Please watch Mythvision podcast on the preservation of the Quran to understand that the standardised version of the Quran as early as 20 years after the death of the Prophet, by his closest companion Caliph Othman is same as what is currently available after 1 400 years.
There are 7 different recitations of the Quran without any change in the meaning dating back to the prophet. For example, the same words and vowels in the English language are pronounced differently in England, USA, Australia and even in India.
Quran chapter one is the author descriptions Allah. Just like other books where the author details himself.
Quran chapter two.
Describe the chronology of events to Islam.
Quran Arabic ALM
Other languages is translation
Definition of believers
Definition of disbelievers
The creation of the universal and human replacing the Jinns kind who were before humans.
The replacement created the rebellion Jinns who is the Devil who was not plrased being replaced by human and became the enemy. The story of human replaced jin in this chapter come for Islam (Ishmael)to replace Jews (Issac) the old family feud Sarah and Hagar. The enemy between Jews and Islam.
Israelites failed Mosses 1500 BC mission and became people with no land. Returned to Egypt and God displeased.
Jews killed Jesus and refused God guidance and later Christians changed from Jesus teachings believing in God to Jesus is god's.
Hance Muhammad of Ishmael son of Abraham and Quran last revelation and Mecca center of the Islam religion aftre Jerusalem.
After aya 150 the laws of Islam were introduced.
Then came the story of David empire returning of Israel to Jerusalem for their first promise 1000 BC. Note 1921 return is the second and final return read chapter 17 for details.
The David empire failed after Abuchadnazar destroyed Jerusalem Solomon and took Israelites to Babylon.
Follow the story of the man with his donkey who question himself as to who will build the Jerusalem after it was destroyed. So God made him slept for hundred years building Jerusalem by parsian king and God made Uzair Ezra or Ezekiel with his donkey come to life to rewrite the Torah. But jews said Uzair Ezekiel also wrote Ezekiel prophecies 38 that listing countries to be destroyed that would come to help Palestine. That is the enemity of jews against Islam.
Quran chapters arranged by God have great meaning but failed to under stood.
Gog ma Gog or Juj ma Juj in Quran it has nothing to do with Russia.
The descriptions of Gog ma Gog was given by prophet and it was confirmed to be Chinese.
The china great empire. Watch UA-cam Basam jarrar gog ma Gog in Arabic.
The journey of Dhulqarnain the two horns or the two centuries. The journey of Jews from the West sunset to East sun rise via Jerusalem for hundred years. Must understand the Quran chapter 17 and 18 describes the journey and chapter 19 that Jesus returns after jews hundred years in Jerusalem 2021 and increased by ten that by 2030.
The prophecy of Quran from chapter 17 of prophet night journey for Macca 631 lebaration and 2031 for Jerusalem liberation and return of Jesus is on the making.
Read Quran for your salvation.
Very interesting reading of the Quran and the early history of Islam. The importance of fate does seem like a good point.
See my comment.
*_Islam reinstated the Abrahamic rituals, not the Pagan culture._*
Al- Baqarah is not last surah been sent to the Prophet ﷺ.
The last complete surah is surah al-Nasr (which exactly like we are witnessing today).. and the last ayah is in surah Al-Maidah (which came during the prophet's last hajj.. hajjatul wada').
The last ayah is in albaqarah which is
(وانقو يوماً ترجعون فيه إلى الله ..) الآية
@@faisalmu no the last verse is in Surah Almaidah sura 5
اليوم اكملتُ لكم دينكم وأتممتوا عليكم نعمتي ورضيت لكم الإسلام دينا
The last verse as recognized by most of the narrators and scholars is: واتقوا يوما ترجعون فيه الى الله...
Muhammad So Love ❤ 😍 💖 ❣ 💕 💘 ❤ 😍 💖 ❣ 💕 💘 ❤ 😍 💖 ❣ 💕 💘
Islam will prevail, with or without u!! may allah guide the sincere ones. ameen.
Islam already failed, and failed miserably, completely, from internal failure, first and foremost, too late to say that it will prevail, certainly not in its shape and form, if it will prevail it will be in the form of the Chinese communist party or what it makes of Islam, by redeeming Allah and the prophet, so that he may rest in peace.
Lol
@@himmsingz hahahaa so funny 🤣😂
😂😂😂 LOL, IT'S FAKE
Guide them to do what? Marry 6 year old girl then divorce them and send them on there way to I another? Or have do Mutta?
“Matter does not affect spirits” 🤡 does the genius know jins can posses material bodies, can move matter from here to there?
1:13:49 His understanding of spirit is rooted in christianity. Because in Islam jinns are not considered as spirit but a creation of Allah made from smokeless fire.
The answer is right there in the Qur'an for them.
@@zaPolymath correct!
Prophet Muhammed never compromised on creed. Earlier in his Meccan period pagans offered him to worship his God and their gods at the same time. He never bowed to these ridiculous ideas.
Hey man.. this is not so logical thing to say since Quraish pagans were not denying Allah / God but they worshiped him as the most high deity .. the issue was that they worshiped other lesser deities alongside Allah / God
@@dtrez3866 it's portrayed as if Muhammad recanted this soon After, but I think it was a little longer than a day 😂 perhaps as long as it took for the meccans to realised this new movement has a potential.
@@tarafahomsy The issue was that they could accept Allah as the Creator, but not as the Lord. Big difference.
@@dtrez3866 Doesn't make an awful lot of sense in any hypothetical situation that Muhammad would go from "don't associate partners with God" to "ok, your partners are ok" then back to "don't associate partners with God".
Also given that the early Muslims indeed ended up martyrs for rejecting the Meccan idols, it wouldn't make any sense for Muhammad to sudden cop out of it only to then suddenly go back to the original point.