I'm super excited for these tyres. I think they will match the capability of my V-strom. Here in Britain, we don't get sandy roads all that much, but we do get a bit of cold weather, rain, and mud. So I'll be watching out for that mud test.
Next week... Mud next week. A HUGE storm is due in on Wednesday bringing snow to 2,000 feet! We will have MUD and Snow and probably some shenanigans! Thanks for watching! - Kyle
Thanks for the informative review! It's a bummer the wet traction isn't great since it rains a lot where i live and despite having all the ABS and TCS, it really comes down to the rubber. Thank you!
Glad it was helpful! I too was really surprised they did not utilize a dual compound for this tire. The tire is the heaviest of the Adv Tires and has a really hard rubber compound... not the greatest in the wet.
I have them mounted on my AT and love them. They don’t handle the wet as well as Road 6 but is the best 50/50 tire I’ve tried and it looks like I’ll be getting about 12,000 miles out of the rear. So for me they are a keeper. I’ll try the Raid on my CRF300L Rally on the next tire change.
Kyle - your tyre reviews are legendary. Thank you ! I only wish Dunlop Australia would import these here. Maybe I will have to ask the local BMW motorcycle club to bring in a container load... I don’t mind lower wet performance as long as dry road and dry dirt performance is good. Happy to compromise this way... I just worked out 47 degrees F is 8.3 degrees C. That’s cold !
I'm gonna be by in my tires from Chaparral motorsports because of you and the videos you post was on hold for 20 minutes and left a message so will see if I can find the Dunlap trail Max mission from my Africa twin
That’s a bummer re: the hold time. They are still running a skeleton crew after laying over 100 of us off... it’d be nice if they brought some of us back... but I’m not seeing that happen.
I'm not that satisfied of my Trailmax mission tires on wet asphalt, the rear tire breaks out too fast when I give a bit too much throttle. This is really scary in corners if you don't expect it. I first also thought it was due to rain coming after a long period of dry (heat wave) weather, that the asphalt would contain oil or rubber, but no, even after having 5000km on the tires, the back tire keeps on spinning on wet asphalt, just like you showed in the video... and I don't even have 140 bhp on the super tenere... As I leave the traction control ON (standard setting), getting onto the highway and accelerating fast from 50km/h to 120 km/h, in every gear 2nd,3rd,4th and straight out, you see the traction control light getting on an off... so it is a very good tire on dry asphalt, mud, sand, forrest roads; but I lack total confidence on wet asfalt.
Thank you for your real world feedback. It is a harder rubber compound than most of the other 50/50 tires in the segment. I did find that road surface had a lot to do with wet weather traction too... in the rain I did have to “dial back” my spirited riding tendencies over the long term use of the tire. Thanks for sharing your experience with us!
I am narrowing down my next tires for my 2018 KLR650 to the Dunlap Trailmax Mission, Mitas E07+, Motoz Adventure, and Shinko 700. I ride 98/2 in Florida, but the 2% is typically sugar sand or mud so I feel compelled to run 50/50 or 60/40 tires as my offroad skills are mediocre. I bought the bike with Mitas MC24 Invaders. On my 08 KLR 650 I ran Kenda Big Blocks and Shinko 244 Golden Boys. On my 08 650 vStrom came with Battlax A41 and put on some a little more dirt oreinted perhaps a Shinko 700. I sold the vStrom shortly after putting on the Shinko 700s. They seemed pretty good on dirt roads and hardpack trails, but I never took it in the sugar sand. My goals are a minimum of 6k-8k miles on a rear tire, decent wet road performance, and reasonable to pretty good sugar sand performance. I ride dirt roads and good trails to motocamp. I ride back roads for scenery and enjoyment. Semitechnical riding is sometimes a necessity to get to the destination. It is not the fun.
My followers in Florida LOVE the Motoz RallZ in the rear and the Dual Venture in the front. Second suggestion would be the Mitas E07+ or the new E12 which look amazing. I have a short video on those coming soon!
@@manybikes My cheap bone is thinking the Trailmax Mission might be the better value after mileage is factored in. Your review of the Mitas E-07 and E-07+ with the unpredicable washouts on the front discouraged me. The Motoz tires are still on the table as is the Shinko 700. The Shinko 700 is inexpensive and I believe I could spoon it one and off. I am not too sure whether I could spoon some of the other stiffer tires when on the road. The Trailmax Mission and Shinko 700 are not near as capable in sand and mud as the Motoz Tractionators, but they seem to be predictable. None of the other Mitas E-07 and E-07+ plus reviewers mention the unpredictability, but only you reviewed them in deeper sand. Right now the E07+ are the only more premium tire I have found in stock. I can by the Shinko 700. I have about 2-3 months to pull the trigger. Anything on the list will be a significant offroad improvement to the Mitas MC24 Invaders. To make matters worse, this fat old man is a squid rider. Standard gear is shorts, tennis shoes, and t-shirt. Forty plus years ago that would have been fine for semitechnical riding. My worst road rash as a teen was from low siding on my ten-speed bike when my pedal hit the ground. I got my calf, thigh, and upper arm. Off roading motorcycles was good for a few bumps, bruises, and burns.
@@manybikes I finally purchased my unicorn tires. I opted for the Motoz GPS on the back and Dual Venture on the front. I purchased the Motion Pro bead breaker and 3ea tire leve set with short, long, and long curved. I passed on the Bead Buddy after seeing you use a small block of wood, something I have plenty of and it looks smaller than the professional tool. I even have some 1/2" PVC plug caps that I am going to try that are even smaller and lighter. Any thoughts on Ride-On balancer leak sealer on a KLR650? I didn't go quite as offroad as you recommended, but anything will be a substantial improvement over the Mitas MC24 when going offroad. I initially passed on the Motoz GPS because of the center strip, but I saw enough good rain reviews that changed my mind. Also, I am not seeing the lead spoke weights. What is up with that? Thanks for all the great video reviews!
I have been waiting for this installation, looking forward to future reviews. I am looking to replace a set of Pirelli MT 90's on the same bike. Dunlop like Pirelli is a tire I know I can trust. I have always had good performance and mileage with the D606's. That's the only tire that I ever use on my '97 RXC 620. I would like to see you get 6,000 plus miles. Thanks for a great video Kyle, keep them coming.
The video which will launch today shows this tire in Snow as compared to the Bridgestone AX41 and Michelin Anakee Adventure - It really is a 50/50 tire! I am shocked... It is wearing well too. I have over 600 miles on it now I think... The full review here and on ChapMoto.com will be coming up here shortly. Thanks for watching! - Kyle
It is at least 20% better off-road than the Anakee Adventure. I would say the Anakee Adventure is about 10% better on-road than the Mission. Different tires for different purposes for sure.
Your videos are amazing! I just spent several days going through tons of your reviews. I started riding off-road after 14 years of riding 2-3 years ago and absolutely love it. I'm contemplating between these two tires as well. I commute in London, do the occasional off-road weekend ride and longer trips such as recently riding the Trans European Trail for 8 days from London to Geneva and back with my current Metzeler Tourance tires, which need replacing soon. Since I ride a lot in the rain, I would love to know which one you would you say is better wet road between the Anakee Adventure and Mission? I saw your Anakee Adventure reviews mentioned the front wobble in sand which put me off compared to the Mission as it seems like it's more stable on the front. Did I understand that right? Finally, would you suggest a different rear tire to match the Mission that could last as long and perform the same but have better wet weather performance? I know I'm asking for a lot 😂
Hi Kyle. You run 30 psi front and rear for your tire tests. Would you run the same if you are touring and transitioning from tar seal to gravel all the time? I have a 1200 GSA and I normally run about 33 in the front (2.3 bar) and 39 in the rear (2.7 bar), so just a few psi off the road pressures. I am intermediate level at best off-road, so not going hard out. Just looking for a good balance to have good on-road handling and still have enough grip in the gravel.
The 30 psi for the test was just to give all the tires a fair playing field. When I tour, I typically run much higher street pressures somewhere in the neighborhood of 36 to 40 in the rear (depending on MFG specs) and 34 to 42 in front also dependent on the tire manufacturer recommendations. I CARRY A PUMP and Tire Repair items with me, so I do Air Down if going to be off-road for any length and Air Up before long pavement stretches. If transitioning from road to off road a lot... I keep them aired down for maximum traction everywhere. This sacrifices tire life, but the safety is well worth it. That's my 2 cents... Thanks for watching! - Kyle
Well... I think the TrailMax Mission is a better 50/50 tire as it has deeper grooves and more aggressive side walls. The Scorpion Rally STR is more of an 80/20 tire in my opinion but it has significantly better feedback from the road and does better in wet weather as the compound is MUCH softer than the Dunlop. It will wear out WAY quicker than the Dunlop too. Decisions. Decisions.
Great review, thank you! I was going to go for these until I saw how the rear performs on wet roads. As I live in Ireland where it rains A LOT and I ride probably 70/30, I need a softer rear. Can you recommend a good 50/50 or 60/40 tire with great wet asphalt grip but still great off-road in deep mud?
@@manybikes Thanks, I just looked them up: Motoz lists the RallZ as 10% road, 90% off-road, which makes me worry how they would handle on wet roads. Their 50/50 is the "Tractionator GPS", do you have any experience with that one (specifically wet roads)?
The RallZ has a more aggressive lug design, but is softer rubber and therefore grips great in all street scenarios. Yes, I have run the GPS and it is a great tire but I still think the RallZ is a better tire for you. Here is a video I made... RallZ vs the GPS: ua-cam.com/video/5LFOI65uXRw/v-deo.html
Thanks again for another great video, now go get those in some sand and mud please so I can make up my mind on what tires your selling me for my GSA 1250
Pat Watson I tried! But Mother Nature was not working with me!!! Next week for sure... I hope the deep sand dries out over the weekend... and then we get Rain, mud & Snow mid-week!
@@patwatson1573 I will probably be there too... want me to bring my 1190 with the tires mounted to the show so you can see them? Bring a helmet and RIDE them... I'll have my 4 year old with me... and the 1190 will be in the truck... but I'll unload it for you and you can take a spin. Long Beach harbor has some nice sand ;)
Kyle Bradshaw ...sounds great until the lifeguards call the POleece on me! Nah your photos and video really showed them well but I appreciate the offer! Hopefully I see ya there!
Do these compete against the Anakee Wild, AX41, and TKC80 or are they more geared to the TKC70 / 70Rocks and maybe Anakee Adv. They look capable but just not blocky like other 50/50 advertised tires. Looking for something for my R1200GSA for touring and fire roads.
What you are calling out is exactly what I’ve been struggling with... how can a true 50/50 tire be so round and have such “innocent looking” blocks or knobbies. I had it out in the mud and snow yesterday and it did surprisingly well... headed out again this morning to punish them again. Full video review on Monday (I hope)... stay tuned!
Blown away... this tire killed it today in the snow. They are not as blocky as the visually accepted 50/50 tires, but they performed today as good if not better than a TKC80 in all areas. I’m pretty shocked. The tread pattern really worked. I’ll get today’s video up as quickly as possible. Thanks for watching!
Kyle Bradshaw that’s insane!! I would have never expected it to preform anywhere near a full on knobby. In the words of Arthur C Clarke, “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.”
micromelis I’ve been trying my best to make these tires fail or to prove they aren’t worthy of a 50/50 title due to their sheepish looks... the wolf inside has prevailed on each outing. I too still want to “test more” as I still can’t really believe it.
Great review, Kyle, thank you for that. Now, would you recommend these tyres for a lighter bike like my rally-converted Husky 701 without any rid modes, traction control and a "dongled" rear ABS?
Absolutely my pleasure! I would recommend the Motoz Desert HT for your 701 as it is one of the lighter tires that will give you amazing hook up with great mileage. Here I am 10 years ago explaining my results on the Desert HT on my KTM 950 Se: ua-cam.com/video/et4p6i6IDGk/v-deo.html
Great video as always Kyle. I'm stuck, trying to decide between the Dunlops and the Pirelli Rally STRs. My V-Strom 650XT has Karoo 3's which are perfectly capable off-road but I'm not too impressed with their on-road ability. They are also noisy and rough riding. I realize they Dunlops are considered 50/50s while the STRs or not. With that said how would you compare these two tires? Are the STRs better on road? How much better in your opinion are the Dunlops off road when compared directly with the STRs? Thanks again for your outstanding content!
Alright Neil... here we go... Thanks for watching by the way, much appreciated. When you are ready to purchase (if you don't go through a local shop - I do like it when you support local) Give me a shot to fulfill your order on a site I have just created: www.MotoCityParts.com Back to the topic at hand... The Karoo 3's are great off road but they are very bumpy an loud... that is for sure! The STR is a "sportbike tire" on the street. The sidewall is soft and provides AWESOME feedback from the road. It is sticky, has a great profile and feels really really good. That being said... I really did not like it much off road. The blocks are too big and the voids too small to really grip the dirt like I would want / expect. The Dunlop is a great 50/50 tire but it has its drawbacks too. It is HEAVY and for the limited HP of the 650, that might be a hindrance. The Mission does well off road, but don't expect to go all the places you have taken the Karoo 3 "easily" as it is no where near as aggressive as the Karoo 3 in the dirt. On the street its a good tire too. Nice profile, good rubber compound and it just works. The STR is 1/2 the dirt tire that the Mission tire is, which is half of what the Karoo 3 is ;) Conversely the STR feels like a full on sportbike tire on the street, the Mission is a true 50/50 and the Karoo 3 as you know isn't too good. It really depends on where you want to make the sacrifice / compromise.... on the street or in the dirt. Hope this helps! - Kyle
Jeremy Smith Ha! Ha! Have you seen my AT Review where I compare it to my 1190? Both are AMAZING bikes in their own rights, but the “hair on fire” nature of the KTM is downright addicting! I DO WISH my KTM was as trusty as your Honda though!! That’d be a Win / Win! Thanks for watching. - Kyle
Soumen Bhattacharya I really wanted to like the E07 More than I did. It is a super popular tire… And I understand why… But I personally did not believe the performance was there. This Dunlop tire is in my opinion a better choice
This was the comment I was looking for! I debated for awhile between Trailmax and E-07. I ride a 2020 Honda CB500X primarily on fire roads. The stockers suck.
Yeah, me too Scott! Me too! Thanks for watching the attempt... I did learn more about the tires, and I like them even more than the 1st ride... just still skeptical of the 50/50 rating. That’s really what I want to get to the bottom of... - Kyle
Well, after having been on this Mission tire for just over 1,000 miles now and in so many different terrains... it really does have on-road characteristics of a more street orientated 80/20 tire as it is quiet, super smooth and rails in the corners. Off-Road I find it to be a great 50/50 tire which has totally exceeded my expectations. Behind the 8 ball a little... Monday you should see my more all terrain encompassing video of this tire. Sorry for the wait and thank you for watching. - Kyle
Good informative video Kyle. I'm looking for the 'best' road tyre for my Street 500 and would also like to change rear from 15 to 16" Have you any suggestions? Thanks in advance 👍😘🇦🇺✝
Yes sir, thank you for watching. To increase wheel size, that would entail getting a completely new wheel. I know that all the touring bikes can swap wheels no problem but I am unsure about what is compatible with the 500. What does BEST mean to you? Mileage or cornering performance? There are tires for both and their are tires that do both really well but not as good as the single producers. - Kyle
Hands down the fastest, most stable 50/50 tire in the segment. I was blown away today with their grunt in about 10” of snow for miles. They just worked. Quite impressive really.
I noticed in the wet aproaching traffic parked at red lights there was some degree of confidence. Like, he didn't brake too gingerly so should suit me in Australia for 50/50. They seem very capable offroad: ua-cam.com/video/CZ2Rt0C-dbc/v-deo.html
Nice @everysinglesunday link ;) Travis is "The Man"... and the Dunlop is THE TIRE! Pretty good everywhere for a 50/50... Stay tuned for a Hard Adventure ride with Travis that almost killed me... Multiple Times... Mr. Brock is an animal!
I have had so much fun on this road back in the day... My jeep, bikes, quads... Im looking for the ultimate 50/50. Has to be superb on wet pavement, but able to hold its own on the dirt and dry pavement twisties. Am I asking for too much:)?
Oregon Motorcycle my current favorite is the Bridgestone AX41, but it wears out quick. The Dunlop TrailMax mission is second, but it’s wet weather wasn’t what the AX41 was. The Motoz RallZ was my favorite before these other two came around. Love that rear tire! But the front is rain-groove cement phobic... and can get scary.
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I think I found my tire for 2020. Thanks Kyle, you truly are the best at this stuff.
It’s really a Bitcoin’ tire! I TRIED to make it an 80/20 tire... but it really is a true 50/50 tire! You won’t be disappointed. - kyle
A great series of indepth reviews. a much better job than many "professional" journalists.
Jeep it up!!
Thanks for watching! Happy to be informative and entertaining. - Kyle
Recorded in Mexico
Not on public roadways
Good one Kyle!!
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tahoehiker You like that ;)
I'm super excited for these tyres. I think they will match the capability of my V-strom. Here in Britain, we don't get sandy roads all that much, but we do get a bit of cold weather, rain, and mud. So I'll be watching out for that mud test.
Next week... Mud next week. A HUGE storm is due in on Wednesday bringing snow to 2,000 feet! We will have MUD and Snow and probably some shenanigans! Thanks for watching! - Kyle
Thanks for the informative review! It's a bummer the wet traction isn't great since it rains a lot where i live and despite having all the ABS and TCS, it really comes down to the rubber. Thank you!
Glad it was helpful! I too was really surprised they did not utilize a dual compound for this tire. The tire is the heaviest of the Adv Tires and has a really hard rubber compound... not the greatest in the wet.
I have them mounted on my AT and love them. They don’t handle the wet as well as Road 6 but is the best 50/50 tire I’ve tried and it looks like I’ll be getting about 12,000 miles out of the rear. So for me they are a keeper. I’ll try the Raid on my CRF300L Rally on the next tire change.
Nice!
Kyle - your tyre reviews are legendary. Thank you !
I only wish Dunlop Australia would import these here. Maybe I will have to ask the local BMW motorcycle club to bring in a container load...
I don’t mind lower wet performance as long as dry road and dry dirt performance is good. Happy to compromise this way...
I just worked out 47 degrees F is 8.3 degrees C. That’s cold !
Great feedback. Why isn’t Dunlop importing them?!? Maybe I’ll look into shipping you a container. You can then sell them for profit ;)
I'm gonna be by in my tires from Chaparral motorsports because of you and the videos you post was on hold for 20 minutes and left a message so will see if I can find the Dunlap trail Max mission from my Africa twin
That’s a bummer re: the hold time. They are still running a skeleton crew after laying over 100 of us off... it’d be nice if they brought some of us back... but I’m not seeing that happen.
I'm not that satisfied of my Trailmax mission tires on wet asphalt, the rear tire breaks out too fast when I give a bit too much throttle. This is really scary in corners if you don't expect it.
I first also thought it was due to rain coming after a long period of dry (heat wave) weather, that the asphalt would contain oil or rubber, but no, even after having 5000km on the tires, the back tire keeps on spinning on wet asphalt, just like you showed in the video... and I don't even have 140 bhp on the super tenere...
As I leave the traction control ON (standard setting), getting onto the highway and accelerating fast from 50km/h to 120 km/h, in every gear 2nd,3rd,4th and straight out, you see the traction control light getting on an off... so it is a very good tire on dry asphalt, mud, sand, forrest roads; but I lack total confidence on wet asfalt.
Thank you for your real world feedback. It is a harder rubber compound than most of the other 50/50 tires in the segment. I did find that road surface had a lot to do with wet weather traction too... in the rain I did have to “dial back” my spirited riding tendencies over the long term use of the tire. Thanks for sharing your experience with us!
I am narrowing down my next tires for my 2018 KLR650 to the Dunlap Trailmax Mission, Mitas E07+, Motoz Adventure, and Shinko 700. I ride 98/2 in Florida, but the 2% is typically sugar sand or mud so I feel compelled to run 50/50 or 60/40 tires as my offroad skills are mediocre.
I bought the bike with Mitas MC24 Invaders. On my 08 KLR 650 I ran Kenda Big Blocks and Shinko 244 Golden Boys. On my 08 650 vStrom came with Battlax A41 and put on some a little more dirt oreinted perhaps a Shinko 700. I sold the vStrom shortly after putting on the Shinko 700s. They seemed pretty good on dirt roads and hardpack trails, but I never took it in the sugar sand.
My goals are a minimum of 6k-8k miles on a rear tire, decent wet road performance, and reasonable to pretty good sugar sand performance. I ride dirt roads and good trails to motocamp. I ride back roads for scenery and enjoyment. Semitechnical riding is sometimes a necessity to get to the destination. It is not the fun.
My followers in Florida LOVE the Motoz RallZ in the rear and the Dual Venture in the front. Second suggestion would be the Mitas E07+ or the new E12 which look amazing. I have a short video on those coming soon!
@@manybikes My cheap bone is thinking the Trailmax Mission might be the better value after mileage is factored in. Your review of the Mitas E-07 and E-07+ with the unpredicable washouts on the front discouraged me. The Motoz tires are still on the table as is the Shinko 700. The Shinko 700 is inexpensive and I believe I could spoon it one and off. I am not too sure whether I could spoon some of the other stiffer tires when on the road. The Trailmax Mission and Shinko 700 are not near as capable in sand and mud as the Motoz Tractionators, but they seem to be predictable.
None of the other Mitas E-07 and E-07+ plus reviewers mention the unpredictability, but only you reviewed them in deeper sand. Right now the E07+ are the only more premium tire I have found in stock. I can by the Shinko 700.
I have about 2-3 months to pull the trigger. Anything on the list will be a significant offroad improvement to the Mitas MC24 Invaders.
To make matters worse, this fat old man is a squid rider. Standard gear is shorts, tennis shoes, and t-shirt. Forty plus years ago that would have been fine for semitechnical riding. My worst road rash as a teen was from low siding on my ten-speed bike when my pedal hit the ground. I got my calf, thigh, and upper arm. Off roading motorcycles was good for a few bumps, bruises, and burns.
@@manybikes I finally purchased my unicorn tires. I opted for the Motoz GPS on the back and Dual Venture on the front. I purchased the Motion Pro bead breaker and 3ea tire leve set with short, long, and long curved. I passed on the Bead Buddy after seeing you use a small block of wood, something I have plenty of and it looks smaller than the professional tool. I even have some 1/2" PVC plug caps that I am going to try that are even smaller and lighter.
Any thoughts on Ride-On balancer leak sealer on a KLR650?
I didn't go quite as offroad as you recommended, but anything will be a substantial improvement over the Mitas MC24 when going offroad. I initially passed on the Motoz GPS because of the center strip, but I saw enough good rain reviews that changed my mind.
Also, I am not seeing the lead spoke weights. What is up with that?
Thanks for all the great video reviews!
I have been waiting for this installation, looking forward to future reviews. I am looking to replace a set of Pirelli MT 90's on the same bike. Dunlop like Pirelli is a tire I know I can trust. I have always had good performance and mileage with the D606's. That's the only tire that I ever use on my '97 RXC 620. I would like to see you get 6,000 plus miles. Thanks for a great video Kyle, keep them coming.
The video which will launch today shows this tire in Snow as compared to the Bridgestone AX41 and Michelin Anakee Adventure - It really is a 50/50 tire! I am shocked... It is wearing well too. I have over 600 miles on it now I think... The full review here and on ChapMoto.com will be coming up here shortly. Thanks for watching! - Kyle
Thanks Kyle, look forward to lunchtime mud.
We are due for three big storms beginning Wednesday... Stay tuned! Thank you for watching!
@@manybikes Thanks for the updates. Much appreciated.
@@manybikes You have the perfect weather for testing the wet performance. I am waiting for that... Thanks Kyle
How is it perform compared with Michelin Anakee adventure?
It is at least 20% better off-road than the Anakee Adventure. I would say the Anakee Adventure is about 10% better on-road than the Mission. Different tires for different purposes for sure.
Your videos are amazing! I just spent several days going through tons of your reviews.
I started riding off-road after 14 years of riding 2-3 years ago and absolutely love it. I'm contemplating between these two tires as well.
I commute in London, do the occasional off-road weekend ride and longer trips such as recently riding the Trans European Trail for 8 days from London to Geneva and back with my current Metzeler Tourance tires, which need replacing soon.
Since I ride a lot in the rain, I would love to know which one you would you say is better wet road between the Anakee Adventure and Mission? I saw your Anakee Adventure reviews mentioned the front wobble in sand which put me off compared to the Mission as it seems like it's more stable on the front. Did I understand that right? Finally, would you suggest a different rear tire to match the Mission that could last as long and perform the same but have better wet weather performance? I know I'm asking for a lot 😂
I'm thinking trailmax mission in front, TKC 70 rocks rear. 2022 ktm 1290 SAS.
Fantastic combo!
Not according to the tech at the dealership. I'll die a tragic death 😂
Hi Kyle. You run 30 psi front and rear for your tire tests. Would you run the same if you are touring and transitioning from tar seal to gravel all the time? I have a 1200 GSA and I normally run about 33 in the front (2.3 bar) and 39 in the rear (2.7 bar), so just a few psi off the road pressures. I am intermediate level at best off-road, so not going hard out. Just looking for a good balance to have good on-road handling and still have enough grip in the gravel.
The 30 psi for the test was just to give all the tires a fair playing field. When I tour, I typically run much higher street pressures somewhere in the neighborhood of 36 to 40 in the rear (depending on MFG specs) and 34 to 42 in front also dependent on the tire manufacturer recommendations. I CARRY A PUMP and Tire Repair items with me, so I do Air Down if going to be off-road for any length and Air Up before long pavement stretches. If transitioning from road to off road a lot... I keep them aired down for maximum traction everywhere. This sacrifices tire life, but the safety is well worth it. That's my 2 cents... Thanks for watching! - Kyle
Dunlop trail max or Pirelli scorpion rally STR? Which one you prefer for better road grip and wet conditions?
Well... I think the TrailMax Mission is a better 50/50 tire as it has deeper grooves and more aggressive side walls. The Scorpion Rally STR is more of an 80/20 tire in my opinion but it has significantly better feedback from the road and does better in wet weather as the compound is MUCH softer than the Dunlop. It will wear out WAY quicker than the Dunlop too. Decisions. Decisions.
@@manybikes Thanks for this. Helps me
Great review, thank you! I was going to go for these until I saw how the rear performs on wet roads. As I live in Ireland where it rains A LOT and I ride probably 70/30, I need a softer rear. Can you recommend a good 50/50 or 60/40 tire with great wet asphalt grip but still great off-road in deep mud?
The MotoZ RallZ is my favorite all around tire. It does well everywhere.
@@manybikes Thanks, I just looked them up: Motoz lists the RallZ as 10% road, 90% off-road, which makes me worry how they would handle on wet roads. Their 50/50 is the "Tractionator GPS", do you have any experience with that one (specifically wet roads)?
The RallZ has a more aggressive lug design, but is softer rubber and therefore grips great in all street scenarios. Yes, I have run the GPS and it is a great tire but I still think the RallZ is a better tire for you. Here is a video I made... RallZ vs the GPS: ua-cam.com/video/5LFOI65uXRw/v-deo.html
I was thinking Trailmax front, TKC 70 Rocks rear. 1290 SAS
Thanks again for another great video, now go get those in some sand and mud please so I can make up my mind on what tires your selling me for my GSA 1250
Pat Watson I tried! But Mother Nature was not working with me!!! Next week for sure... I hope the deep sand dries out over the weekend... and then we get Rain, mud & Snow mid-week!
Kyle Bradshaw well I will. Be waiting! I’m headed to the LB motorcycle show tomorrow and look forward to hopefully seeing them in person
@@patwatson1573 I will probably be there too... want me to bring my 1190 with the tires mounted to the show so you can see them? Bring a helmet and RIDE them... I'll have my 4 year old with me... and the 1190 will be in the truck... but I'll unload it for you and you can take a spin. Long Beach harbor has some nice sand ;)
Kyle Bradshaw ...sounds great until the lifeguards call the POleece on me! Nah your photos and video really showed them well but I appreciate the offer! Hopefully I see ya there!
Pat Watson Sounds great!
Which tire would you recomend for a R1200GSA ride from California to Alaska? Thanks
This tire or the Motoz GPS tire.
@@manybikes Thanks for the information.. Is the Mitas 07+ comparable? Thanks
@@georgesolomon5696 kind of... many people like them... me, not so much.
@@manybikes Thanks for the feedback
Do these compete against the Anakee Wild, AX41, and TKC80 or are they more geared to the TKC70 / 70Rocks and maybe Anakee Adv. They look capable but just not blocky like other 50/50 advertised tires. Looking for something for my R1200GSA for touring and fire roads.
What you are calling out is exactly what I’ve been struggling with... how can a true 50/50 tire be so round and have such “innocent looking” blocks or knobbies. I had it out in the mud and snow yesterday and it did surprisingly well... headed out again this morning to punish them again. Full video review on Monday (I hope)... stay tuned!
Blown away... this tire killed it today in the snow. They are not as blocky as the visually accepted 50/50 tires, but they performed today as good if not better than a TKC80 in all areas. I’m pretty shocked. The tread pattern really worked. I’ll get today’s video up as quickly as possible. Thanks for watching!
Kyle Bradshaw that’s insane!! I would have never expected it to preform anywhere near a full on knobby. In the words of Arthur C Clarke, “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.”
micromelis I’ve been trying my best to make these tires fail or to prove they aren’t worthy of a 50/50 title due to their sheepish looks... the wolf inside has prevailed on each outing. I too still want to “test more” as I still can’t really believe it.
The average cruising speed in LA is about 2 MPH!
Ha! Ha! Ha! Sorry... the outskirts of LA ;)
What about a klr ? Lot less power to break the traction lose on wet roads. Think they’d be good ?
Yes! I rode them on a T7 in the rain and they stuck like glue!
@@manybikes just wanna make sure before I try to lean into a turn and bowling back down the highway
Yeah... on the 1190 they were a bit slick in the rain but on the T7 I had zero issues with traction. Overall they are a fantastic tire.
Great review, Kyle, thank you for that.
Now, would you recommend these tyres for a lighter bike like my rally-converted Husky 701 without any rid modes, traction control and a "dongled" rear ABS?
Absolutely my pleasure! I would recommend the Motoz Desert HT for your 701 as it is one of the lighter tires that will give you amazing hook up with great mileage. Here I am 10 years ago explaining my results on the Desert HT on my KTM 950 Se: ua-cam.com/video/et4p6i6IDGk/v-deo.html
Kyle Bradshaw Thanks!!!
Great video as always Kyle. I'm stuck, trying to decide between the Dunlops and the Pirelli Rally STRs. My V-Strom 650XT has Karoo 3's which are perfectly capable off-road but I'm not too impressed with their on-road ability. They are also noisy and rough riding. I realize they Dunlops are considered 50/50s while the STRs or not. With that said how would you compare these two tires? Are the STRs better on road? How much better in your opinion are the Dunlops off road when compared directly with the STRs? Thanks again for your outstanding content!
Alright Neil... here we go... Thanks for watching by the way, much appreciated. When you are ready to purchase (if you don't go through a local shop - I do like it when you support local) Give me a shot to fulfill your order on a site I have just created: www.MotoCityParts.com Back to the topic at hand... The Karoo 3's are great off road but they are very bumpy an loud... that is for sure! The STR is a "sportbike tire" on the street. The sidewall is soft and provides AWESOME feedback from the road. It is sticky, has a great profile and feels really really good. That being said... I really did not like it much off road. The blocks are too big and the voids too small to really grip the dirt like I would want / expect. The Dunlop is a great 50/50 tire but it has its drawbacks too. It is HEAVY and for the limited HP of the 650, that might be a hindrance. The Mission does well off road, but don't expect to go all the places you have taken the Karoo 3 "easily" as it is no where near as aggressive as the Karoo 3 in the dirt. On the street its a good tire too. Nice profile, good rubber compound and it just works. The STR is 1/2 the dirt tire that the Mission tire is, which is half of what the Karoo 3 is ;) Conversely the STR feels like a full on sportbike tire on the street, the Mission is a true 50/50 and the Karoo 3 as you know isn't too good. It really depends on where you want to make the sacrifice / compromise.... on the street or in the dirt. Hope this helps! - Kyle
@@manybikes thank you Kyle. I will check out your website also...!!
The ease in which you hit 150 causes a bit of jealousy within me - AT owner :D
Jeremy Smith Ha! Ha! Have you seen my AT Review where I compare it to my 1190? Both are AMAZING bikes in their own rights, but the “hair on fire” nature of the KTM is downright addicting! I DO WISH my KTM was as trusty as your Honda though!! That’d be a Win / Win! Thanks for watching. - Kyle
Your AT is more dependable.
Thanks for the great video! How do they compare to Mitas E07?
Soumen Bhattacharya I really wanted to like the E07 More than I did. It is a super popular tire… And I understand why… But I personally did not believe the performance was there. This Dunlop tire is in my opinion a better choice
This was the comment I was looking for! I debated for awhile between Trailmax and E-07. I ride a 2020 Honda CB500X primarily on fire roads. The stockers suck.
I hope the next ride answers some questions we all want to know
Yeah, me too Scott! Me too! Thanks for watching the attempt... I did learn more about the tires, and I like them even more than the 1st ride... just still skeptical of the 50/50 rating. That’s really what I want to get to the bottom of... - Kyle
Rain begins in 15 minutes... the weather app says ;)
We have rain, mud, and snow.. 👍🏻
@@manybikes I would be happy with a 60-40 rating with that nice round profile for canyon riding.
Well, after having been on this Mission tire for just over 1,000 miles now and in so many different terrains... it really does have on-road characteristics of a more street orientated 80/20 tire as it is quiet, super smooth and rails in the corners. Off-Road I find it to be a great 50/50 tire which has totally exceeded my expectations. Behind the 8 ball a little... Monday you should see my more all terrain encompassing video of this tire. Sorry for the wait and thank you for watching. - Kyle
Good informative video Kyle. I'm looking for the 'best' road tyre for my Street 500 and would also like to change rear from 15 to 16" Have you any suggestions? Thanks in advance 👍😘🇦🇺✝
Yes sir, thank you for watching. To increase wheel size, that would entail getting a completely new wheel. I know that all the touring bikes can swap wheels no problem but I am unsure about what is compatible with the 500. What does BEST mean to you? Mileage or cornering performance? There are tires for both and their are tires that do both really well but not as good as the single producers. - Kyle
Hi Kyle, great review as allways! Is this the fastest tyre wich can perform off road? Thank's!
hdjnfirnfn hdhdjjdkdk Dude... was out this morning in the mud & snow on the tire - full video will be up on Monday. I am impressed. That’s for sure.
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Hands down the fastest, most stable 50/50 tire in the segment. I was blown away today with their grunt in about 10” of snow for miles. They just worked. Quite impressive really.
@@manybikes Thank's, and wich is the fastest in 70-30 range? I have now a set of 705's and thei are wobbling over 100 m/h
Can't believe how fast they drive in California.
Yup... gotta "go with the flow" or you'll get run over!!!
I noticed in the wet aproaching traffic parked at red lights there was some degree of confidence. Like, he didn't brake too gingerly so should suit me in Australia for 50/50. They seem very capable offroad: ua-cam.com/video/CZ2Rt0C-dbc/v-deo.html
Nice @everysinglesunday link ;) Travis is "The Man"... and the Dunlop is THE TIRE! Pretty good everywhere for a 50/50... Stay tuned for a Hard Adventure ride with Travis that almost killed me... Multiple Times... Mr. Brock is an animal!
I have had so much fun on this road back in the day... My jeep, bikes, quads...
Im looking for the ultimate 50/50. Has to be superb on wet pavement, but able to hold its own on the dirt and dry pavement twisties. Am I asking for too much:)?
Oregon Motorcycle Still searching for the perfect Unicorn tire!
Kyle Bradshaw no I’m waiting for an answer from you 😂
Oregon Motorcycle my current favorite is the Bridgestone AX41, but it wears out quick. The Dunlop TrailMax mission is second, but it’s wet weather wasn’t what the AX41 was. The Motoz RallZ was my favorite before these other two came around. Love that rear tire! But the front is rain-groove cement phobic... and can get scary.
“Recorded in Mexico” LOL. MY A$$.
Well kind of... Many years ago! Alta California ('Upper California'), also known as Nueva California ('New California'), among other names[a], was a province of New Spain, formally established in 1804. Along with the Baja California peninsula, it had previously comprised the province of Las Californias, but was split off into a separate province in 1804 (named Nueva California).[1] Following the Mexican War of Independence, it became a territory of Mexico in April 1822[2] and was renamed Alta California in 1824. The claimed territory included all of the modern U.S. states of California, Nevada, and Utah, and parts of Arizona, Wyoming, Colorado, and New Mexico. In the 1836 Siete Leyes government reorganization, the two Californias were once again combined (as a single departamento). That change was undone in 1846, but rendered moot by the U.S. military occupation of California in the Mexican-American War.
First rain of the season...100 mph on the freeway...not the smartest thing in the world. Other than that nice video
Pushing limits... thanks for watching!
dude this sound is awful!!! please change your mic ;-)
The rain ruined that one... Sorry!