I don't get what's confusing about working class people in Europe being upset about the mass migration of low-skill workers from extremely different and even hostile cultures. Here are several costs born disproportionately by the working class as a result of that policy: 1. Decreased wages and job opportunities to low-skill indigenous workers due to increased competition. 2. Increase in crime rates and especially violent rape from migrants, which can often go unaddressed by the police (e.g. Sweden's complete failure to stem gang violence, the coverup of the thousands of victims of Pakistani rape gangs in Rotheram, etc.) 3. Harassment and character attacks from the political establishment (e.g. "You don't want mass migration; you must be a racist, far-right bigot!") 4. Jail-time for political speech or social media posts (e.g. a man jailed in the UK for saying "Who the f*ck is Allah" or the rape victim in Germany jailed for calling her attacker a pig.) 5. Loss of community cohesion and societal trust as a result of increased cultural diversity in neighborhoods (see Putnam's "Bowling Alone") It has been patently obvious for over a decade that the working class was upset about mass migration, particularly from North Africa and the Middle East. Voters across Europe have consistently asked traditional parties to address their concerns, and got nowhere. So now they are voting for the only parties who are honest about this issue and the confusion of the leftwing establishment is insulting at this point. Did you think you calling your political opponents names was going to suppress their appeal forever? The implicit assumption of your whole video is that Europe must necessarily go on a "multicultural journey" and that it's up to the working class indigenous population to 'have a difficult, vulnerable conversation' about their identity, etc. That isn't necessary. It's possible to for the political establishment to control the border, come clean about the low economic growth, and stop trying to fudge the numbers by just importing more people. That's what people are voting for. By the way, is that a statue of Baphomet in the background?
Thanks for engaging. I saw your other comment on the volume. For me and other people I've asked it's totally fine so I'm not sure what's going on there. Will use a mic next time. I'm not sure where you got the idea that I am calling anyone names. That's really not where I'm coming from. A core principle of Singularity as a political movement is that it doesn't have opponents. Additionally, I don't agree that the whole point of my video was that it's up to the working class indigenous population to 'have a difficult, vulnerable conversation' about their identity, etc. in order for Europe to go on a multicultural journey. If that's how it came off, perhaps I could have communicated my point better and will tune into that. My point was, Europe is on that journey and will continue to be. That is simply the nature of the world we're in and I am a yes to humanity's increasing unity in diversity. And for that to happen much more healthily than it has been, I think it's critical that all cultures and ethnic groups have a serious inquiry around healthy collective identity, and that includes white people. My point is that conversation seems very difficult to have. Many on the left are afraid of it, and many on the right can have a tendency to veer off into prejudice. My mention of working class white people is because they are often the ones struggling most and are most impacted by the cultural fragmentation I'm speaking to, but I do not see them as responsible for the conversation. And I agree that borders need to be rightly managed on top of that, and that what I am describing is not sufficient on its own. Perhaps I could have made that clearer too. To your point where you asked what is "confusing about working class people in Europe being upset about the mass migration of low-skill workers from extremely different and even hostile cultures", what I've attempted to share is that contact between people of different cultures is likely to go much smoother when both feel connected to a stable sense of identity and stability in their basic needs being met. Then, difference doesn't so easily become sensed as a problem. Not sure what you mean by 'hostile cultures'. Yes, that's a Baphomet statue. Baphomet is a representation of the integration of polarities to support full human integration - angel and animal, masculine and feminine. I care about that kind of integration in myself and my work. My understanding of the history of Baphomet is that it does back to the Middle Ages, where it was a focus of mystical contemplation for the Knights Templar who also understood it in this way, and of course that was one thing that ultimately had them so hunted and persecuted by order of the Pope, leading to why Friday 13th is an 'unlucky day'. The whole thing that Baphomet represents some kind of devil figure is brainwash from the Church that has tried to spread fear about the primal nature of human beings. It's just more of the body = sin thing.
You sèem to be a thoughtful and well-meaning person, and i hope you take this feedback in the spirit in which it's given - that is, as an encouragement to revisit your fundamental assumptions about the feasibility and desirability of social unity in a multicultural world. To my mind, we can only have true diversity when cultures have autonomy so they can develop and express themselves according to their own beliefs and values. Inevitability, there will be fundamental differences between them (i.e. diversity), and some will espouse values that just don't mesh with each other. How, then, do you expect to impose unity on them while stll respecting their differences? What you seem to be proposing is a kind of homogeneous cultural/racial soup in which all true diversity is lost. Essentially, you can't have both unity and diversity. You have to pick one or the other. IMO, the unity model would replace the rich variety of cultural expressions with something much duller.
Thanks for engaging and for your consideration of where I'm coming from. To expand on that, my position is that that underneath all the diversity is always-already an underlying unity. This is what practitioners and contemplatives in every mystical tradition through time have experienced and said. Experiencing that reality is basically a spiritual matter, and one I feel is critical for us navigating the tensions between unity and diversity increasingly present for humanity. Here's a piece on this from the Singularity website: www.singularity-earth.org/read/monadic-politics
Part 1 I have to say, I salute you for venturing out into the land your people have always warned you about: the dark corners of conservative thought. Attempting to form a connection is always admirable. Your definition of us will surprise you when you find out how we define ourselves. Of course, we know about you because your ideology is trumpeted from every parapet in our society. You may want to turn around now because you might just end up captured in our deviousness. But okay, here we go. I've noticed your points all return to race and economics (no surprise there) when neither has anything to do with our own self-definitions. I assume these two items are close to the extent of your definition of us because it has been my observation that left wing ideas begin and end there. The definitions and pre-assumptions are those the left has provided for you--despite how we define ourselves. There seems to be a definition of us based on the left's vision of what we are REALLY thinking, which has little to do with our own. This amazing capacity by the left to be able to enter into someone's mind and discern a person's "inner truth" despite what they claim can only be viewed with envy from our side. If you want an open discussion of the injustices of the white man, let's have it. I'll bet I've heard most every one of your talking points as has everybody in Western society due to the left's lock on nearly all forms of communication. On the other hand, what you hear from me in the following I expect will be mostly new to you. The only reason being that your ideology has managed to suppress all alternative thought for those who choose to remain cloistered in the impregnable, sanitized walls it has created for itself, safely nested in the collective. And it might surprise you that from the conservative point of view we see your philosophy as tribal and anti-intellectual for the reasons I will explain below. The division of people have been couched in terms of left-right or liberal-conservative that have become so twisted as to be nearly meaningless today. The real division, and one I fear is eternal (that being my own personal opinion) is between those born with a collectivist mind vs. those born with an individualist mind. One may be unduly influenced by their surroundings and influences, but at heart I believe these innate traits are inherent to us and reflect in us much in the way as does the statue you referred to in another comment. But once that person brought up with alternate ideas to their natural state are exposed to the ideas that make his/her mind race and heart soar, they will then slowly change to the side in tuned with their basic genetics (again, my personal opinion). This schism is innate in human nature--one, collectivist and characterized by the feminine; the other, individualist, characterized by the masculine. What I will talk about here are the extreme dangers and destruction the near complete takeover of our society by one of the two, the collectivist, have resulted in as they have come to dominate our society while masculinity and individualism have been demonized and suppressed. When you say things like, ". . . what that requires, to actually be healthy is that every sphere of my identity be moving out as an individual into the wider and wider collective spheres that I'm a part of," not being an individualist, there is no way I can explain to you how frightening that sounds. Everything in your aura exerts that feminine side (just from the reference of a dichotomy). As you speak to the individualists listening to you, you speak in a soothing way, which I'm sure is considered positive and approachable to you but to the individualist sounds like a mother speaking to her children who can't understand an adult's world. Visions form in my mind like the Louise Bourgeois statue "Maman" looming over the child as the dominating mother who protects her child while suffocating its own inner thoughts and natural development in a web of complete control. A need not only to keep it safe, but also for it to become so close to her as to become a functional part of the mother's own body. Our minds are distinct, we speak different languages and the only way my mind works is to give reasons for what I believe. My mind is not accessed through my emotional corridors. When you state that you would like an open and honest discussion, well, it's coming right at you. You open your podcast by defining truth by a storyline you have been taught. It is stated as fact and then you quickly move on to the implications. That doesn't work for the individualist mind, although it is certainly proven a winning formula for the collectivist. You mention the Syrian immigrants coming into Germany with your number one priority maintaining their tribal culture which in so many cases is in direct conflict with traditional Western culture, a sum total of centuries of thought and open debate concluding in the tenets of The Enlightenment. You make an assumption that a multicultural world is inevitable. The only reason to believe that is that the left has had a lock on the narrative by means of its most illiberal takeover of our news media, our entertainment industry, our universities, K-12 education (US), and now in the US it has even been proven that your people have ideologically captured the FBI and CIA. These are all the ways our society has to understand the world around them but that are now under the control of a single philosophy. If not but for a new unexpected technology, the internet, by now all alternate thought would have been completely stamped out. Think about it. Prior to the internet, the left was in near complete control of how our nations' people viewed the world around them, and now they have taken over the highest enforcement agencies of our society. This is not what Western civilization had in mind when the tenets of The Enlightenment were made manifest in classically liberal thought. The Enlightenment was the West's gift to the world; now it has been so debased by leftist collectivists, who have proven to hold no innate ability to appreciate it, resulting in it no longer having the strength it once held. The many attacks on classically liberal thought from the West itself has done nothing but undermine its legitimacy. (Cont. in Part 2)
@@caracoidwren944 you have pretty much entirely misrepresented or not understood where I’m coming from, and I don’t really mind as I’m so interested by what you wrote! You’re a compelling writer. I love the dark underground rebel intellectual philosophical vibes… My immediate impulse is I’d be fascinated to have a zoom call with you to discuss these points. Seriously, intellectually, historically, and genuinely. I’d be very curious to actually discuss these things. I imagine there will be much we we’d disagree on, and my sense is it would be a fascinating conversation. My condition would be a shared commitment to listen to each other and respectful communication. Would you be open to that? P.S. Singularity’s politics is neither of the political right, left, or centre. It’s of the core. Happy to discuss what that means.
@@singularity-2050 Would absolutely love to. But a problem with a Zoom-type call is I have no camera on my computer nor microphone. Would love to do it all the same, but I think we're restricted to this forum or, if you prefer it be private, by email directly to each other's email addresses. I actually do prefer written because it gives me a chance to think about what's being said and how to respond. Always in direct conversations it is so easy to miss each other's points or by other means to keep two people from honest engagement. I'm not a performer. My brain works at a slow grinding pace, which I at least have succeeded in convincing myself that this is the only way to absorb the information, process it, and be able to pull up long held information in my memories that are subject to getting passed over in conversation. It's the only way I know to be able to think deeply.
@@caracoidwren944 I apologise it's taken me a good while to respond to you here. Life dragged me in! Sad to hear you don't have the tech for a zoom call. Maybe on a smart phone you might have or could borrow? I don't feel I can do an email exchange owing to how full my life is, but I hope we find a way to have that conversation as I think it would be fascinating!
@@singularity-2050 (Sorry, I've spent all day fighting the entire Arab world online.) No worries about the late date. And I feel exactly the same way. I have a cell phone but its not set up either for anything other than making a phone call on. I only recently got it and have hated it ever since. As you can guess, I'm 61 years old. The only other option I know of is a phone call.
I have no white guilt. Nor am I privileged because of the color of my skin. Why do people continue to push racist models like this and systems that judge people by race? Will they ever learn that racism is impractical and damages souls?
I don't get what's confusing about working class people in Europe being upset about the mass migration of low-skill workers from extremely different and even hostile cultures. Here are several costs born disproportionately by the working class as a result of that policy:
1. Decreased wages and job opportunities to low-skill indigenous workers due to increased competition.
2. Increase in crime rates and especially violent rape from migrants, which can often go unaddressed by the police (e.g. Sweden's complete failure to stem gang violence, the coverup of the thousands of victims of Pakistani rape gangs in Rotheram, etc.)
3. Harassment and character attacks from the political establishment (e.g. "You don't want mass migration; you must be a racist, far-right bigot!")
4. Jail-time for political speech or social media posts (e.g. a man jailed in the UK for saying "Who the f*ck is Allah" or the rape victim in Germany jailed for calling her attacker a pig.)
5. Loss of community cohesion and societal trust as a result of increased cultural diversity in neighborhoods (see Putnam's "Bowling Alone")
It has been patently obvious for over a decade that the working class was upset about mass migration, particularly from North Africa and the Middle East. Voters across Europe have consistently asked traditional parties to address their concerns, and got nowhere. So now they are voting for the only parties who are honest about this issue and the confusion of the leftwing establishment is insulting at this point. Did you think you calling your political opponents names was going to suppress their appeal forever?
The implicit assumption of your whole video is that Europe must necessarily go on a "multicultural journey" and that it's up to the working class indigenous population to 'have a difficult, vulnerable conversation' about their identity, etc. That isn't necessary. It's possible to for the political establishment to control the border, come clean about the low economic growth, and stop trying to fudge the numbers by just importing more people. That's what people are voting for.
By the way, is that a statue of Baphomet in the background?
Thanks for engaging. I saw your other comment on the volume. For me and other people I've asked it's totally fine so I'm not sure what's going on there. Will use a mic next time.
I'm not sure where you got the idea that I am calling anyone names. That's really not where I'm coming from. A core principle of Singularity as a political movement is that it doesn't have opponents.
Additionally, I don't agree that the whole point of my video was that it's up to the working class indigenous population to 'have a difficult, vulnerable conversation' about their identity, etc. in order for Europe to go on a multicultural journey. If that's how it came off, perhaps I could have communicated my point better and will tune into that.
My point was, Europe is on that journey and will continue to be. That is simply the nature of the world we're in and I am a yes to humanity's increasing unity in diversity.
And for that to happen much more healthily than it has been, I think it's critical that all cultures and ethnic groups have a serious inquiry around healthy collective identity, and that includes white people.
My point is that conversation seems very difficult to have. Many on the left are afraid of it, and many on the right can have a tendency to veer off into prejudice. My mention of working class white people is because they are often the ones struggling most and are most impacted by the cultural fragmentation I'm speaking to, but I do not see them as responsible for the conversation. And I agree that borders need to be rightly managed on top of that, and that what I am describing is not sufficient on its own. Perhaps I could have made that clearer too.
To your point where you asked what is "confusing about working class people in Europe being upset about the mass migration of low-skill workers from extremely different and even hostile cultures", what I've attempted to share is that contact between people of different cultures is likely to go much smoother when both feel connected to a stable sense of identity and stability in their basic needs being met. Then, difference doesn't so easily become sensed as a problem. Not sure what you mean by 'hostile cultures'.
Yes, that's a Baphomet statue. Baphomet is a representation of the integration of polarities to support full human integration - angel and animal, masculine and feminine. I care about that kind of integration in myself and my work. My understanding of the history of Baphomet is that it does back to the Middle Ages, where it was a focus of mystical contemplation for the Knights Templar who also understood it in this way, and of course that was one thing that ultimately had them so hunted and persecuted by order of the Pope, leading to why Friday 13th is an 'unlucky day'. The whole thing that Baphomet represents some kind of devil figure is brainwash from the Church that has tried to spread fear about the primal nature of human beings. It's just more of the body = sin thing.
You sèem to be a thoughtful and well-meaning person, and i hope you take this feedback in the spirit in which it's given - that is, as an encouragement to revisit your fundamental assumptions about the feasibility and desirability of social unity in a multicultural world.
To my mind, we can only have true diversity when cultures have autonomy so they can develop and express themselves according to their own beliefs and values. Inevitability, there will be fundamental differences between them (i.e. diversity), and some will espouse values that just don't mesh with each other. How, then, do you expect to impose unity on them while stll respecting their differences? What you seem to be proposing is a kind of homogeneous cultural/racial soup in which all true diversity is lost.
Essentially, you can't have both unity and diversity. You have to pick one or the other. IMO, the unity model would replace the rich variety of cultural expressions with something much duller.
"you can't have both unity and diversity. "
Yes you can. Shared goals generate unity, and diversity creates ideas of how to achieve that goal.
Thanks for engaging and for your consideration of where I'm coming from.
To expand on that, my position is that that underneath all the diversity is always-already an underlying unity. This is what practitioners and contemplatives in every mystical tradition through time have experienced and said. Experiencing that reality is basically a spiritual matter, and one I feel is critical for us navigating the tensions between unity and diversity increasingly present for humanity.
Here's a piece on this from the Singularity website: www.singularity-earth.org/read/monadic-politics
Part 1
I have to say, I salute you for venturing out into the land your people have always warned you about: the dark corners of conservative thought. Attempting to form a connection is always admirable. Your definition of us will surprise you when you find out how we define ourselves. Of course, we know about you because your ideology is trumpeted from every parapet in our society. You may want to turn around now because you might just end up captured in our deviousness. But okay, here we go. I've noticed your points all return to race and economics (no surprise there) when neither has anything to do with our own self-definitions. I assume these two items are close to the extent of your definition of us because it has been my observation that left wing ideas begin and end there. The definitions and pre-assumptions are those the left has provided for you--despite how we define ourselves. There seems to be a definition of us based on the left's vision of what we are REALLY thinking, which has little to do with our own. This amazing capacity by the left to be able to enter into someone's mind and discern a person's "inner truth" despite what they claim can only be viewed with envy from our side. If you want an open discussion of the injustices of the white man, let's have it. I'll bet I've heard most every one of your talking points as has everybody in Western society due to the left's lock on nearly all forms of communication. On the other hand, what you hear from me in the following I expect will be mostly new to you. The only reason being that your ideology has managed to suppress all alternative thought for those who choose to remain cloistered in the impregnable, sanitized walls it has created for itself, safely nested in the collective. And it might surprise you that from the conservative point of view we see your philosophy as tribal and anti-intellectual for the reasons I will explain below.
The division of people have been couched in terms of left-right or liberal-conservative that have become so twisted as to be nearly meaningless today. The real division, and one I fear is eternal (that being my own personal opinion) is between those born with a collectivist mind vs. those born with an individualist mind. One may be unduly influenced by their surroundings and influences, but at heart I believe these innate traits are inherent to us and reflect in us much in the way as does the statue you referred to in another comment. But once that person brought up with alternate ideas to their natural state are exposed to the ideas that make his/her mind race and heart soar, they will then slowly change to the side in tuned with their basic genetics (again, my personal opinion). This schism is innate in human nature--one, collectivist and characterized by the feminine; the other, individualist, characterized by the masculine. What I will talk about here are the extreme dangers and destruction the near complete takeover of our society by one of the two, the collectivist, have resulted in as they have come to dominate our society while masculinity and individualism have been demonized and suppressed.
When you say things like, ". . . what that requires, to actually be healthy is that every sphere of my identity be moving out as an individual into the wider and wider collective spheres that I'm a part of," not being an individualist, there is no way I can explain to you how frightening that sounds. Everything in your aura exerts that feminine side (just from the reference of a dichotomy). As you speak to the individualists listening to you, you speak in a soothing way, which I'm sure is considered positive and approachable to you but to the individualist sounds like a mother speaking to her children who can't understand an adult's world. Visions form in my mind like the Louise Bourgeois statue "Maman" looming over the child as the dominating mother who protects her child while suffocating its own inner thoughts and natural development in a web of complete control. A need not only to keep it safe, but also for it to become so close to her as to become a functional part of the mother's own body. Our minds are distinct, we speak different languages and the only way my mind works is to give reasons for what I believe. My mind is not accessed through my emotional corridors.
When you state that you would like an open and honest discussion, well, it's coming right at you.
You open your podcast by defining truth by a storyline you have been taught. It is stated as fact and then you quickly move on to the implications. That doesn't work for the individualist mind, although it is certainly proven a winning formula for the collectivist. You mention the Syrian immigrants coming into Germany with your number one priority maintaining their tribal culture which in so many cases is in direct conflict with traditional Western culture, a sum total of centuries of thought and open debate concluding in the tenets of The Enlightenment. You make an assumption that a multicultural world is inevitable. The only reason to believe that is that the left has had a lock on the narrative by means of its most illiberal takeover of our news media, our entertainment industry, our universities, K-12 education (US), and now in the US it has even been proven that your people have ideologically captured the FBI and CIA. These are all the ways our society has to understand the world around them but that are now under the control of a single philosophy. If not but for a new unexpected technology, the internet, by now all alternate thought would have been completely stamped out. Think about it. Prior to the internet, the left was in near complete control of how our nations' people viewed the world around them, and now they have taken over the highest enforcement agencies of our society. This is not what Western civilization had in mind when the tenets of The Enlightenment were made manifest in classically liberal thought. The Enlightenment was the West's gift to the world; now it has been so debased by leftist collectivists, who have proven to hold no innate ability to appreciate it, resulting in it no longer having the strength it once held. The many attacks on classically liberal thought from the West itself has done nothing but undermine its legitimacy. (Cont. in Part 2)
@@caracoidwren944 you have pretty much entirely misrepresented or not understood where I’m coming from, and I don’t really mind as I’m so interested by what you wrote! You’re a compelling writer. I love the dark underground rebel intellectual philosophical vibes…
My immediate impulse is I’d be fascinated to have a zoom call with you to discuss these points. Seriously, intellectually, historically, and genuinely. I’d be very curious to actually discuss these things. I imagine there will be much we we’d disagree on, and my sense is it would be a fascinating conversation. My condition would be a shared commitment to listen to each other and respectful communication.
Would you be open to that?
P.S. Singularity’s politics is neither of the political right, left, or centre.
It’s of the core.
Happy to discuss what that means.
@@singularity-2050 Would absolutely love to. But a problem with a Zoom-type call is I have no camera on my computer nor microphone. Would love to do it all the same, but I think we're restricted to this forum or, if you prefer it be private, by email directly to each other's email addresses.
I actually do prefer written because it gives me a chance to think about what's being said and how to respond. Always in direct conversations it is so easy to miss each other's points or by other means to keep two people from honest engagement. I'm not a performer. My brain works at a slow grinding pace, which I at least have succeeded in convincing myself that this is the only way to absorb the information, process it, and be able to pull up long held information in my memories that are subject to getting passed over in conversation. It's the only way I know to be able to think deeply.
@@caracoidwren944 I apologise it's taken me a good while to respond to you here. Life dragged me in! Sad to hear you don't have the tech for a zoom call. Maybe on a smart phone you might have or could borrow? I don't feel I can do an email exchange owing to how full my life is, but I hope we find a way to have that conversation as I think it would be fascinating!
@@singularity-2050 (Sorry, I've spent all day fighting the entire Arab world online.) No worries about the late date. And I feel exactly the same way. I have a cell phone but its not set up either for anything other than making a phone call on. I only recently got it and have hated it ever since. As you can guess, I'm 61 years old. The only other option I know of is a phone call.
@@caracoidwren944 got it. let's have a phone call then. How about you email me at jonathan@synergyforum.org and we work out the details.
Dreadful sound - all bass - no consonants - unintelligable - I give up - @ 0:08 seconds.
The sound quality is clear. Perhaps there may be an issue on your end?
I have no white guilt. Nor am I privileged because of the color of my skin. Why do people continue to push racist models like this and systems that judge people by race? Will they ever learn that racism is impractical and damages souls?
@@singularity-2050
No. It’s very soft. Tough to hear you, like you’re whispering.
Yeah I have my volume cranked and I can barely hear you.