Competitive Pokemon is STILL Pay to Win
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
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In the most recent format for VGC, Regulation G, I built a team for someone who went to the world championship. I did this last year, too, so I decided to compare the two processes to see which build went smoother. The biggest issue is calyrex ice and calyrex shadow, who cost 90 us dollars to acquire via dlc and such. This was a problem last yearr with Urshifu, so is it fixed? Only this video will tell! Hopefully tera shard farming, money farming, etc, are all improved.
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Imagine how much money Game Freak would make if they decided to just implement a Pokemon Showdown style game. Call it Stadium 3. It would sell like hot cakes and would make formats accessible again without dumping $400 into old games.
they could easily do a monthly paid sub and it'd hit hard
@@imablisy I don't disagree with you, but I think the optics of selling a subscription to kids (that already needs a sub for the Switch Online) would be bad for their brand identity.
I don't care how they do it, it's just money sitting on the table and a question of "when?" and "if" they'll listen.
pokemon showdown itself ain't surviving if they do
@@scrunkore nah i think the showdown audience will be fine, i doubt many of them play the actual games so probably wouldnt own a console
I think the issue with a battle revolution/official pokemon showdown clone is that a vocal minority is actually going to spend money on it. "Pokemon Showdown exists and it's free, why wouldn't I just play that instead?" or "This is literally just a battle simulator and not much else, I wouldn't pay $60 for this even if the animations are pretty" I'd imagine would be popular sentiments regarding it because we already have Pokemon Showdown that functions well on it's own in everything besides visual appeal.
GameFreak could put insane amounts of effort into it and it'll sell just okay like Pokken Switch did. Even if we wanted to take Showdown out of the picture, realistically there's just no reason for Nintendo to make a battle revolution/stadium 3 styled game because it's already been integrated into the games at this point in the form of Battle Stadium, it would be amazing for the competitive players who play VGC but Smogon players and casuals likely won't care because singles without bans really isn't that fun and casual players care about more than just battles.
The only way I could really see an official showdown clone working is if it was a free service that required owning the game and you could create custom sets for pokemon you already own but would only be able to add them to battle teams, but then that would just isolate the people without the money to buy a switch/the game/dlc.
I love the idea that the school printer can just casually make the average student a millionaire if they rig the machine enough.
true in real life too you just go to jail for it
@@delta0xno
lol
@@ThoseOtherJeremysLieyes, literally theft if you abuse a system from a company to makw millions
@@ThoseOtherJeremysLie yes!
Wow Bugsy’s team has really had a face lift since Gold and Silver
I already have to go "okay a normal person would not do this" when RNG manipulation comes into play, no matter how quick everything else is.
I am a normal person
@@imablisy(I love this vid just saying lol)
Yeah, if you take away glitches because it's not what TPC intended (which is correct to do) then RNG manipulation doesn't make too much sense, either. Sure, some people could get lucky and find, say, a 1/10k chance in 10 attempts, but the intended way was for it to take on average 10k attempts.
Lmaooo,, the poke lotto rng and similarly, early den rng from sw/sh are rly easy to do. Just as accessible as time skipping in Animal crossing which ik a bunch of moms and grandmas were doin
@@imablisy lmao
Imagine if fighting games made you buy all the games in the series to transfer the strongest characters in the game and then also banned you if you pirated the games just to avoid spending 60+ more dollars AND made you train up your character yourself and not even guaranteeing perfect stats
"You can join our chess tournament but you have to make the pieces yourself"
@@TheMoccisand they must be made out of the finest wood and if they have any mistakes you can't use them
Your comment makes zero sense if you took a measly 5 seconds to think about it. Pokemon has over 1000 monsters to choose from. Name me one fighting game series that approaches even 100.
@Dimumouto well that just makes it worse. Instead of training 100 fighters you have to train 1000 pokemon - 10X the amount. And for fighting games most people only have 2-3 mains, there’s six pokemon on every team, not to mention you have to make multiple teams
Also, smash bros is over 90 and will likely have 100 when the next game in the series happens
Btw, you CAN "Complete" crown tundra dlc, but just until battle with rider Calyrex. They gate keep it until you become champion in the dumbest way.
"Oh, no. Calyrex looks so strong! If only there was a very strong trainer, that could catch it!" - the guy/gal with Urshifu, all the regis, birds, guaranteed suicune and any boxart legendary
yeah someone pointed this out in the stream chat. I didn't realize, big error whoops!
Came here to comment this 😭 its soooo annoying that you have to play through the whole game and dlc just to get one (technically two but whatever) Pokémon
@@hoopa_axolotl9293 buys a game expect to not play it* plays it
@@Yoshizuyuner the issue is that its REQUIRED if you want to use Calyrex as its not available any other way, if it was possible to get in S/V like Glastrier or Spectrier it wouldnt be an issue (this also applies to Enamorous as you have to play through PLA) this is like the first time they have cut out past gen mons but allow them in competition and it makes it needlessly tedious as you need more than just the current gen games + maybe the dlc
@@Yoshizuyuner it’s great and all for the first time around, but in order to complete the Pokédex you need both horses, which means you would need to play through the entire game and dlc for a second time just to get the second horse. And that is just from the casual player perspective. As laid out in the video, some people are required to get these games in order to use calyrex because it is available nowhere else, which would mean they would have to go through hours of gameplay just for calyrex
For anyone who says that it's like buying equipment for a sport, reminder that this was something they stopped doing during gen 6-8, but then decided to make a thing again in gen 9. It's the whole reason the origin marks exist. So in other words, Pokemon was pay to win until they stopped that jn gen 6, then they decided "hey let's make Pokemon Pay to Win against" in gen 9.
This shouldn't be defended
Totally agree, Been losing my mind about how terrible Gen 9's transfer system is. The mark system worked perfectly fine, I have no idea why they decided to change it just so you could transfer Pokemon back and forth between gens 8 and 9. Losing the ability to transfer up Legacy movesets along with allowing non-native Pokemon into the competitive scene are such irritating downsides to something that was already working perfectly fine
@@munchrai6396 if anything what was added in gen 8, the option to lose the legacy moves for being able to battle in online battles, that was actually a good system. You opt into it. You can say "nah I'd like my special Mon to keep this special move".
You can't anymore. Wasn't even thinking about how stupid that is when I was complaining about how P2W Pokemon is.
How does it get even worse
in a perfect world gamefreak would implement showdown into the link battle menu and we’d use that for competitive
yep
The monkey paw being it probably be a subscription service that also requires the online subscription
With the ability to port your own team, if you want, like in the old school Pokemon Stadium*
That defeats the purpose being a Pokemmon trainer. You are suppossed to breed, and raise the pokemon which means you have to grind.
@@martonyomchale342people don’t see themselves as actual Pokémon trainers when they play competitively they see them selves as battlers
6:00 it's only from the postgame of Shield specifically! which is extra bad because last generation Zamazenta was absolutely nowhere in VGC, while Zacian was one of the most prominent Pokemon in the format, so most VGC players probably bought Sword + DLCs. so even if they already owned a Gen 8 game, they would have to buy *a second one*!
Bugsy literally did lol
These vgc team building videos are some of the most high-quality pokemon content on youtube, always looking forward to your uploads
thank you
This is one of the best ads for Showdown...
Gamefreak: *Holding a DMCA hammer over showdowns head*
The fact that showdown wasn't taken down by Nintendo, knowing their antics (RIP Uranium and Prism) is a miracle.
The time investment in making a usable VGC team is so inexplicable to me. The comments about "well, if you're going to Worlds, you're probably already a superfan who bought all the games" is untrue because not everyone paid that much for games, but also because just because someone plays VGC tournaments doesn't mean they enjoy PLAYING all those games (including alt version), and it especially doesn't mean they enjoy grindy tasks. Doing blueberry quests or making sandwiches may be fun in some contexts for some people, but for some people it would just be unbearably tedious. I play Showdown all the time because I am super interested in competitive pokemon, but I don't even play official games at all because I don't like them.
Yeahhh, for the most part Showdown is the reason so many people are into VGC. You have to really be confident in your team before you build it in game because it can take lots of grinding and money depending on if you need certain things like Vitamins, TMs, tera shards, or IVs. I think EVs are a really cool idea but IVs just unnecessarily gatekeep certain pokemon from being easily accessible. Most pokemon don't absolutely need 0 Atk IV even if it's good to have a lower atk IV, but most trick room pokemon absolutely need 0 Speed IV which can be really annoying in cases like Ursaluna Bloodmoon or Calyrex where resets take long.
All these arguments just prove that vgc players have been cheating
How can you guys not see this
@@panmanafro good for them, im glad theyre just typing in what pokemon they want into a cheat machine and aren't wasting their time on some arbitrary grind
@@panmanafrodo you think only rich people with tons of free time should be the only ones allowed to compete?
Why are you world champ if you're so morally pure @@panmanafro
Amazing video as usual! Im glad someone is shedding light on this subject with multiple videos
Thanks! Love FSG, your videos got me through the misery of my commute for years haha.
@@imablisy LOL im glad i could be of help! I hope the right people see your vids and at least make 0 iv bottle caps or something
Don't worry, they will be available in the next DLC. You just need to pay 99,99 dollars and your firstborn child. Also only one per DLC as a bonus for buying it.
So have fun buying the game again with the DLC to be able to obtain more.
Kind Regards from the MoneyMachine
@@imablisyat least the price went down from $510 to $90
@@FalseSwipeGaming stop glazing this false agenda Pokemon is fine and it’s not pay to win you can use whatever you want and Blissy is frightened to play me. He knows I’ll prove myself right in front of everybody.
They need some kind of "rusty bottle cap" item or something to let you set a Pokemon's IVs to 0.
I would use this before every Pokémon I trade fr
I feel like this single change would alleviate most problems. Considering how much time it takes in those videos just to hunt for the "perfect" 0 Attack/Speed IVs.
Why is it important?
@@DarukiNeo-il2jt trick room mons want to be as slow as possible hence you want 0 speed ivs for that stat, theres also reason to if your pokemon is a special attacker to make your Atk IV 0 as well for the few cases where that would matter. So its quite important actually and a way to set IVs to 0 easily would be nice to go along with the bottle cap we already have
I always loved competitive Pokémon, and my first real try was back during S/M. Took me about 400 hours to build a totally competent and legit team, and then the season changed and my team needed to be rebuilt. Wasn’t willing to put another 400 hours in BEFORE I EVEN GOT TO BATTLE, so begrudgingly I simply see competitive Pokémon an an exercise in who has the most money AND free time.
That's how it is for anything competitive. Training, coaches, travel cost, equipment, it all adds up. You need a job that is flexible with time off and pays you enough money to cover all the cost. The price is the price.
@@martonyomchale342 this is an esport, an not one that has an official league like LOL or Overwatch, you need shouldn't equipment to play a video game
@martonyomchale342 If competitive pokemon was meant for adults with free time then why do the junior and senior divisions exist? Those are the divisions for kids under 18, if competitive was made for people with free time then why do they allow children with school schedules to compete?
@@Ray-wz8sg You wouldn't be at tournaments even if that was the case. If you have money for travel you have money for the equipment.
@@noinfo1018 Competitive Pokemon like all sports, esports, compeitive hobbies are for people with time and money. Children have time seeing as how they aren't in school 4 months out the year, and during the school year they can travel to the events as they are usually held on the weekends.
For working adults you work during the weeks, schedule flight and hotel for the event, the event is usually on the weekend, you show up friday, the event is saturday/sunday. If you get knocked out day 1 you got a day to explore the city. In Europe you get 4 weeks paid vacation in most countries so travel is easy, pay is good in Europe.
Now in the US it's harder to get time off but again the events are on the weekends. Schedule off a few events if you work weekends. Olympians don't sit at home for 4 years training. They work regular jobs for the most part.
"paying for your equipment is normal in other sports!! you people are entitled" yeah but you can GET soccer balls and shinguards at a store. imagine if you had to pay 300 dollars for a soccer ball because they stopped making them 30 years ago and that's the tournament standard. and they tase you if you buy an identical ball that somebody made in their basement
AND that is forgeting the TIME INVESTMENT in Time and RNG bullshit.
Like, is a brand new ball, so for competition you have to kick it 1000 times, then let it at the sun 6.2 hours, and kick it 400 more times
No wonder people HACK So much.
This is so BULSHIT and Scummy, and is for medium low tournament where the price is what? 1000 dollar 1st, and anyone under 4th just got a net loss with travel and housing.
Also you can argue buying scarlet and violet IS buying the soccer ball but they are specifically planning the way you can obtain those pokemons he talks about in the video to make you buy every single game
But in this case the old games aren’t required-
17:40 - "G-Moltres flies around really fast and you have to be really good on the Roto-bike to catch it"
Meanwhile, I just noticed it followed a set path and waited in a spot that was in the path and when I checked on the game after a few minutes, I was in a battle with it
_G-Zapdos_ is the one you need to be good with the Roto-bike for, because ol' Kickin' Chickin' will book it from you and you just gotta keep at it until it starts slowing down from exhaustion
really takin it back to the good ol hunter gatherer days with that gapdos chase
I discovered the set path of Moltres by accident, I came to the islands, got up to do something else and was surprised to see Moltres on my screen when I returned
I am now calling it Kickin' Chickin' at all times.
Having Calarex not be in SV and forcing you to buy SWSH is one of the scummiest ways to make you pay more. Awful practice. having almost every legendary from SWSH's DLC, but 1 is a huge middle finger from GF
They don’t have the new Regis or the birds
Bro gen it its free😂
@@imablisy You are correct I completely forgot about them and was thinking only Calarex.
It's not scummy though
No genies either. No lando, no thundy, no torn. I don't have SS so I have to try and arrange trades online just to compete.
For a company that loves releasing unfinished slop, GF sure know how to inflate playtime and macrotransactions
You say that like its some grand accomplishment
They get away withbit because Nintendroned will buy everything because Nintendo is their god and personality, and they can do no wrong.
@@XmortoxX1990 why are you taking this so personally
@@XmortoxX1990 Are these "nintendrones" in the room with us right now ?
I'm not even convinced it's that. I think they just really expect you to have Sw/Sh + DLC
As a VGC player, I really like that you highlighted the galarian moltres hunt and having to make that pivot. I've built multiple teams for a tournament where I start to build it in game, and then have to make a 180 after further testing shows I wanna update that team in some way.
Pokemon becoming the king of making overpowered dlc pokemon and making sure everyone who wants to compete properly will have to buy the game holy shit man, i dont even play the game competitively outside showdown and i feel bad seeing this happen
I'm a bit confused on how glitches are considered apart from Gamefreaks vision of the game but RNG manipulation isn't. Surely when they were making the games they weren't intending for players to manipulate the game in such a way.
You've shown they're okay with it, but you didn't say they weren't okay with the glitches either. So to me they seem like they're in the same boat.
Apologies if I'm misunderstanding something.
Both aren't intended to be abused by the user. However technically how the RNG got implemented is intentional.
Computers basically suck at being truly random. It's all just math and an input essentially. So if you know how it works you can exploit it easily.
And from the games view the Pokémon caught this way are 100% legit.
So technically you could exclude rng manipulation. However this YTubist has lots of RNG manipulation content. Plus it's something everyone can do with relatively low effort. Compared to normal soft resetting.
What wolfman above said, there is just no way to weed out rng manipulated pokes from legit ones like you can with genning and glitching so they can't really enforce a ban on the method.
in essence rng manip is learning the pattern of the machine and using it to your advantage. Like if you went to a slot machine, and you know the exact second you needed to pull a lever for a jackpot. In the case of pokemon, its about knowing which specific actions would get you a specific pokemon, like take 200 steps east from the starting town then encounter a pokemon, and it will be shiny. A player playing normally could have done the exact same action as one who did a manipulation. but using a glitch isn't something that could be done unless the glitch was extremely simple, like item duplicating rare candies.
To be clear, neither are a part of their vision of the game. They just can't reasonably do anything about it.
Ultimately, the only thing they officially care about is what they check for at the event. This is limited in scope to your 6 Pokemon team only. Everything outside of the 6 Pokemon you plan to use is, even if frowned upon, fair game.
Want to just spawn in 999 of all the items? Go for it. What's the difference between you with 999 of an item and someone who bought 999 of an item from a store? They can assume you cheated it in based on the quantity of 999's, but ultimately... you could have done it legit, and 1 false ban undoes the progress of 100,000 real bans.
I completely agree Rng manipulation gives me the same energy as stacking cards in poker
The problem is that there are DLC exclusive pokemon. If you want to be playing at a competitive level, you *have* to get the DLC for Ogerpon, Blood Moon Ursaluna, Raging Bolt, and/or Smeargle.
I don't think it's super unreasonable to buy the dlc to compete, but buying old games, yeah it's fucked up.
You don't need the DLC to transfer in a Smeargle.
I think the main issue is that Calyrex is the best restricted pokemon right now and it's not even available in the game despite the horses being here, so you have to buy/replay through Sword/Shield just to get it which is really annoying. Spending $30 - 35 for the DLC nets you more than just those mons so there's other reasons to buy it, but my issue mainly comes from locking specific pokemon behind past games because like blisy said it's absolutely fucked up.
@@MarshtompGames I was unaware of that. I was under the impression that the ability to transfer was locked behind the DLC.
@@zdelrod829
Mercifully, that hasn't been the case even since SwSh
Whenever new DLC allows new 'mons, as long as they're technically allowed now, you can transfer 'em in, DLC or not
Having slogged through Shield recently, I can confirm, I transferred in a bunch of 'mons, a lot of which were only added in IoA and CT, and I still had 'em even without buying the DLC
Although I can't speak from experience with SV because I don't have it and don't plan on having it any time soon, but optimistically, I imagine the same is true for that
This doesn’t even mention how the DLC Paradox Pokemon are version exclusives that you only get one of each. Raging Bolt is a very common pick on teams this year, but if you have Violet, you can’t get one.
They had no issue giving us 2 Miraidons/Koraidons before.
if you think theyll ever let us have two of the cover legendary ever again lmfao that was pretty much just there to cover up a plot hole
@@Ninja1Ninja2 yeah its really just to give us a tradable version to complete the dex with
@@Ninja1Ninja2 it happened in sun and moon too.
It's not even a true dupe, the tradable one is wasted if you don't keep it, because your bike won't transfer to the next pokemon game, you'll still be missing a box legendary
@Ninja1Ninja2 in the earlier versions of sv, you could clone the legendary
Ive said this before ine of the biggest problems is that if youve been playing the games since you popped out the womb, youre fine.
But say you just started competitive in gen 9...well you can still make teams and compete youre just at a disadvantage in terms of not only resources but also experience which means youd have to be absorbing everything you need like a sponge in order to get anywhere
1) Trading is a viable option, you just need to be smart when trading. You shouldn't feel safe or confident accepting a traded Urshifu that has 6 natural perfect IVs and the best possible nature, that's more than likely hacked. But a 3IV sub-optimal or bad nature is something you can almost entirely trust is legit because nobody would go through the trouble of genning in a mon that is sub optimal and needs to be grinded up in game
2) Any skill based game takes years to build up skill in dude. Chess grandmasters don't become them in a month. And even given Pokemon's fash shifting metagame, part of that is the case BECAUSE people are genning and causing it to now shift and change faster than it would naturally.
This isn't the only case of genning causing the very problem they claim is the reason why they gen. Trick Room Enamorus is prime example where it's a mon where the time investment is so insane to get one that it would be almost non-existent without genning. Even if you blast through Legends Arceus to get to Enamorus, its still like a few hours to get one encounter and have a 1/64 chance it has 0 IVs in speed (given it can range from 0-31 and the 1/2 chance it has to be a guaranteed 31 IV), meaning most players who do play legit wouldn't go for it. So now we have a team archetype built around a Pokemon that is nearly inaccessible to legit players, yet somehow this is Pokemon's fault for making this build hard to obtain and not the fault of genners cheating to use a good strategy that wouldn't even be popular or relevant if it weren't for them genning in the first place??
The only argument I see working is an IV-reducing item/NPC, but beyond that point what else could they possibly do besides just injecting PKHex into the game as a facility? And at that point it would literally be just a tacet endorsement of cheating. Like that isn't how this should work, we don't bend to the will of people who deliberately break the rules of competition, we crack down on them.
And that’s just like every competition in the world. If you don’t have the resources and experience, you’re at a disadvantage.
@UltraBall23 yes but every other competition in the world doesnt make it so obtuse and confusing to get the right resources even when you're doing everything right
@@Wyvernn_ it’s not complicated… just play the games. Y’all make it complicated by adding extra and necessary steps.
@@Wyvernn_ "obtuse and confusing" bruh just catch the mons and do raids for patches and bottle caps and buy the mints. Like jesus it's not confusing at all
My favourite part about these uploads is seeing how verlisify will have a mental breakdown over them.
Oh god, that person needs serious medical help
@@wehrwolff6447 I genuinely hate him for how he makes it seem like a bad thing to be against cheaters in Pokemon. Like he goes right to insulting people out the gate instead of rationally explaining why the arguments in favor of genning are misguided and has such an anti-cheating stance that he is willing to say even cheating for the sake of battling your family/friends in an old game with a now dead official ladder (like genning for USUM Wifi Battles or something) is still bad.
Like he takes what shouldn't be an unpopular opinion and does more damage to it and makes a bunch of contrarians to counter his hard stuck position
Verlisify is mentally handicapped
@@dorkenspache8353 Agreed. Honestly just seems like drama farming on YT. Like I could get some arguments against cheating, however he on one hand goes on and on about how evil cheating is but then has the dumbest stances.
For example he basically said that Pokémon locked behind Paywalls in older games etc. are fine, because it's just a nice bonus for longtime fans.
Like he doesn't seem to want fair competition. Just wants to vent and screech and get known for that.
@@wehrwolff6447 Yeah he doesn't actually follow a sound logic to debunking arguments in favor of cheating and just makes bold generalizations like "oh this person's cheating because they have a shiny" like no??
Meanwhile, the easiest way to counter pro-cheating arguments is just saying "find a friend who will trade you their random meh legendaries or do team building for you" yet he doesn't
Since there's already Rental Teams, QR codes, and all that- Why can't we manually make the team ourselves??
What I mean is something like this: You own the pokemon, legally, obviously, and then you place it on the rental team. However, you can modify its stats in that rental team, and ONLY in there, something like Showdown, just an easy way to fix Ivs, Evs, Nature, Moves without of all the hustle of redoing it everytime..
I mean, after all it's just a rental team, it'll Only work with online battles, and whenever a new game and generation comes out, it'll be completely obsolete since it'll move over the new games. There's not risk of cheating and hacking, you simply need to own the pokemons!
They could make it so much easier.. but nope, instead they reverted some of the TMs to one time usage so even more grind I guess! :D
They did that to give raids more drops
@@stonalisa3729 terrible answer to the problem though :\
My idea is once you register the Pokémon in the pokedex you can use it in VGC/online battles, there would be a team build menu where you can use any Pokémon you registered, pick it’s nature, ivs/evs, moves, and abilities. You would still need to buy the item from playing the game and to use shinies you just need to catch the shiny form
Something like this where it’s a build a team menu would pretty much solve people hacking competitive ready Pokémon instead of dozens of hours and buying multiple games you only need a few or 1 game and spend a couple hours planning/making a team
@@awesomeguy9513 I think the same as you, they could even make a game for competitive only, and require you to register the pokemon on your pokedex to use them on this game. you would still require to catch/trade the mons, and acquire some of the games, but it wouldn't matter how you would do it. and after you catch one exemplar once, you can use it on the game and do whatever you want with stats.
Anyway, there is a ton of ways to do this better than what it currently is, it is just gamefreak that doesn't want to do it.
That's not what Pokemon is about.
1:46 I LITERALLY NEVER NOTICED THOSE SYMBOLS CHANGED OMG
galar has one too
I understand what you're saying here about this whole thing. But the most pay to win thing is the airline. Costs me 650$ Canadian to the last regional I went to. Hotel for 3 nights, and everything else I needed to do im pretty sure I can buy every pokemon game ever released at retail after 2 tournys
Kek, I just made a comment about this. Experienced players will tell you that their number one tip is to get a credit card with good airline and hotel rewards. I've done the math, and if you want a reasonable chance of getting your invite, it costs about $10,000 United States dollars for event travel. Pokemon is pay-to-win because it's a game that must be played physically in order to acquire enough championship points to go to Worlds.
it would be so easy for game freak to just create a new pokemon stadium/battle revolution game that could be a free expansion if you have the latest gen game, plus it means we could get those animations in those games, which look really good to me personally
5:55 I’m not sure if this was mentioned already, but you are able to continue the Calyrex story line very early into SwSh, however, you MUST become the champion before the game will let you challenge the grass deer
They just need a simulator for competitive play. Either that or keep putting bandaids on bullet wounds
"people who want to play competitively already have every game" is wild. everyone has a first pokemon game and for many of them it's the newest one
@@brie1619 yep it’s so crazy!
There is probably a far larger existing player base than what SV added to it.
@@xenocide1307 Sword and Shield sold 1 million copies more than SV so there is a larger amount existing players than new ones. There probably more people who own both Sword/Shield and SV than people who just owns SV. It doesn't really matter though since trading is a thing (just find a good community to help you out).
Really disappointed you didn't count up the total cost again, especially now since Pokebank is only available on select 3DSs with it already installed.
i miss the old intro with the feraligatr cry
we got an OG here lol
Its funny game freak makes pokemon moves so hyper specific to get in older games yet get mad absolutely it.
I feel like adding an item like the fresh start mochi for iv’s instead of ev’s would be a huge improvement. That way you can grab whatever Pokemon you need off the GTS and not have to worry at all because all its traits are fully customizable.
thanks for the video, I've been building legit competitive teams ever since S/V came out and I just learned a lot how to make things WAY quicker than how I was doing before
Can we get a Video for item Printer RNG? This would Save me some hours
I kinda want one for the Cram o matic because that's just... Arcane black magic
There's a tool for item printer RNG called ItemPrinterDeGacha. You just search in there for what you're looking for and set the time on your switch. That's really all there is to it.
This would be dope, Blisy.
Seconded. I know how it works but i like blissy's style.
This is a good video for the sake of creating content, but you can't just say things like "no glitches cause that is not the way game freaking intended" and then pull out RNG manipulation which is obvious that's not the way game freak intended either 😂
Otherwise it wouldn't be as hard as it is
Edit: also you could argue the GTS is even more a way Gamefreak intended and you can get legendary and box legendary pokemon really easily there without paying extra for games you don't own, the only problem apart from not able to ask for specific IVs is that the GTS sucks at detecting hacked pokemon so it kind of defeats the purpose
Wait are people *actually* comparing VGC to professional sports???? Are... are they stupid???
11:31 WOOOAH what’s that room?! Is it in the depths? I get so disoriented with caves in some of these games, I don’t think I’ve ever seen it!
it's a hidden room before the final room
Let’s hope that when Gen 10 comes around, GameFreak actually takes into account the sometimes absurdity of building a Competitive Pokémon and make it a thing of the past so even more people can play competitively
I kinda wanna have that hope too, but... it's Game Freak. They'll probably find another way to make the grind either more tedious, or expensive (possibly both!).
A man can dream, but I've lost faith in it at this point.
I think instead of improving competitive, why not focus on.. I don't know, making a finished game?
@@justindishaw3219 You do have a good point!
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They won't, trust me. They have been doing the same for years, and sales are better year after year, they won't change it.
I don't know why, but why did you get Zacian from the Safari Zone Warden? (But seriously, how did he get it, it's not an Oddish!)
I entirely agree with a showdown style team builder, would not be to hard to this data exist separately. Honestly they could build their own Pokémon showdown like game just for competitive players, but they would loose out on revenue.
What's funny is that I don't think I've ever gotten landorus in black and white because uh.. I couldn't figure out how the event worked, or something. Same with Keldeo
I was always bummed about it as a kid :(
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@@acetrainerdevin1164 DEVIN WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE
WHAT THE FUCK
I just wanted to know how you actually got the landorus :(
you need both thundurus and tornadus in your team in black/white for landorus to appear in the shrine
skill issue
Yo the two screaming birds used to verify your decisions are back! 23:58
Game freak=company, companies make money
Some day I hope we get something like Rusted Bottle Caps to set IVs to 0
I don't think rng manip is bad or wrong, but it feels weird to allow. You even said "I want to assess how Game Freak INTENDED for team building to work" less than a minute before. Manipulating RNG was obviously never intended, it was intended to be random.
Id be more worried about travel and lodging costs to play vgc than the price of the games. Before you can even think about playing vgc you gotta pay the logistical costs which can be ridiculous. Ill never play vgc id rather save up money for a nice vacation instead. Also if you hack you do so at your own risk.
Yeah, can’t defend not having Calyrex in the SV DLC, but still including the horses.
Moon channel did a good video on Pokemon Showdown and copyright protection. If Pokemon were to make a Pokemon Showdown type of game to create Pokemon, Pokemon Showdown itself is killed off due to it being so similar to their copywritten material. I also feel the video is a good explanation as to why they have people grind and train Pokemon intstead of just doing the create-a-Pokemon deal a lot of people want.
I think that's another reason Gamefreak hate people hacking in Pokemon. It hurts their copyright by using a non Pokemon company system to get Pokemon.
Hey speaking of Showdown and “Create-A-Pokemon” That’s an actual format where you can use smogon-made fakemon. There’s this Fire/Fairy mon with Pixilate Extreme Speed but none of its stats go above 100. I wonder how it and the other guys made for CAP would do in a VGC format.
If they wanted to, they could nuke Pokémon Showdown from orbit for using "Pokémon" in their name.
@@qwilliams1539 The video I referenced talked about just that. They don't, because the Pokemon games and Pokemon Showdown are very different in tone. Creating your own Pokemon Showdown will end Pokemon Showdown, and I guarentee it wouldn't have the same features as current Showdown.
What y'all asking for doesn't makes sense
Most fans of Pokémon don’t even know what they want…if you gave it to them they would all be mad about something else. They hate anything and everything until it’s aged 8-10 years then it was gold right out of the rear of God. Completely removed from reality and believe a multi-billion dollar company should cater to a small subset of angry fans.
@@ksprice45exactly if you had a device on the game that just let you have a slider so you can get the evs you want then it would make the game completely useless for story mode and raids. No rare candies. Like the community is trash forreal
These time grind are also that amount of time when you know how it works. There's also the barrier of entry of having to learn what every single one of these things is and how they work in each game.
2:21 “depending on your age” bro why you so loud shut up
why you subscribed shut up
@@imablisythis was a comment made in jest. it’s a “quit calling me old” comment, not a “shut up” one.
LOL atleast he didn't say GBA. I would have crumbled into dust if I heard that
Now imagine building a team without former knowledge or a real game plan.
EDIT: Or without knowing anybody in the community to help you out.
Just imagining the pain of someone getting into competitive VGC this year. It hurts
That's basically every competitive community that has this much depth in there game: you won't get very far trying to figure everything out on your own.
@@xenocide1307 I've played several other games and Pokemon is probably the worst. It's completely aids. Cancer balls, even.
I really don't think this has anything to do with money. A tiny fraction of players will ever engage with this side of the game.
Building competitive teams honestly sounds so much easier than it was back when I actually built on cart in Gen 6. It's just the pay to win nature that is obnoxious. And it wouldn't matter all that much for Regulation H, which I've been much more interested in, EXCEPT for the fact that Ursaluna Bloodmoon is in the format. Why did it have to be Bloodmoon? Why doesn't that get to count as a legendary, when Battle Bond Greninja does count?
12:30 The high speed ribbon flailing for every move is just sending me dog
your right the game is money grabbing, they are in business to make money after all. you are also right getting competitive pokemon is tedious but kind of should have some level of difficulty.
however a slider is just not the answer for competitive pokemon, as it invalidates catching pokemon all together ya know the main focus of the game, catching them all, as to what the answer is im not quite sure, but a slider is just not it, even if it deters people from just hacking, it will likely never happen and shouldnt happen.
the pokemon company should put even more work to catch hacking in vgc tournaments.
people seem to think that by saying hacking is bad, and that getting pokemon should be a little hard or maybe even cost a bit if you want to go get pokemon from another gen is "elitist" and that by allowing anyone and everyone to just slide their pokemon to whatever they want is best so that anyone can play, is just grandstanding. a weak cover up excuse hiding behind a veil of "think about the little people"
being a "world champion" or "regional champion" is a significant title and the people who put in the work and have the skills to back it up should mean something.
it should not have any difficulty to built teams for competitive play.
I'm sorry if this sounds stupid but where could I see this sheet with the dates and times for each item I would like the item printer to give me? I dont seem to see which of this description links it is exactly. Thanks in advance :)
I thought you where doing a giveaway for white 1 XD at 23:15
26:26 did you forget that home has a search function in the switch version that has many filters you can use to narrow the search
homes search function only searches through whatever game you're connected to and home itself. I was using search I just didn't know which game the dog was in and I have 4 lol
@@imablisy yeah that's fair
I think that you should be able to use hologram pokemon or something. It functions the same as a regular mon, and you can simply go into an editor and add it to your team for battles, but can't use it in the story or something. That way people still have an incentive to train up their own mons if they want to. But they don't NEED to just to compete
imagine trying to make a team and not knowing about rng mapipulation
I think it’s worth noting that most legendaries are available for free if you transfer them from raids in Pokemon Go. The problem there is that legendaries are locked to having a minimum attack IV of 20, so if you want to be perfectly optimal then it doesn’t work for special attacking legendaries. Zamazenta would be fair game though.
Of course this is another band-aid solution. Some important Pokemon (like Calyrex) are still not available, and it’s up to Niantic whether the Pokemon you want is available or not. Still, it’s at least an option for reducing the number of games you need to buy
the real problem is go is cringe
@@imablisy Haha can’t argue with that
Go also has a lot of limitations: IRL travel, limited raid passes, needing an active community, limited transfers, ect...
@@1BlueYoshi not every pokemon needs a 0IV in Attack, I see some people do it for all their special attackers and it’s completely unnecessary. You hardly see Foul Play
problem with raids is that you need an active community of friends of at least 6-7 people to do legendary raids properly (and this is coming from someone who IS NOT from the US, where apparently most of the go community is located), if you either don´t have friends or have very few friends that play go (like me), you are on a bit of a screw up. And even then some limitations are that you can only get one free pass per day, meaning that if you fail the raid, you have to waste real money for a premium pass OR waiting for the next day, and also that raid pokemon are in rotation constantly, so you have to wait WEEKS just to probably see the legendary you need on raids
A few observations I've made recently that might be worth sharing:
- Sword/Shield and Scarlet/Violet have physical copies that come with the DLC, released almost two years after the initial release date.
They are, however, made in limited quantities and some revisions (such as both Scarlet and Violet copies I bought recently here in New Zealand) don't come with both DLC packs included - they're still a separate (free) download.
These get hard to obtain after a while, and considering the retail price isn't a discount over buy the game (physical or digital) + DLC, only make sense for collectors. That, and once they sell out, they become prohibitively expensive (the SWSH ones are a rip-off already).
- Though it's easier to use items for EV training now (and you can even buy PP Ups), they're still stupidly expensive. I think cutting the price by 90% once you beat the main story would be a good compromise so that your team isn't over-levelled for PvE but so that PvP isn't a huge grind. If each drug cost $1000 instead of $10,000, it'd be a lot more accessible. Or, you know, introduce proper PvE level scaling so that them making your team overpowered is a moot point.
- It's still far quicker and easier to hack. You can even use things like LiveHeX to check IVs on Legends as you play. You still can't back up your Pokemon saves even when paying for Nintendo Switch Online, and to get decent mileage out of Home, you have to pay a subscription for that too.
Also, Game Freak's hack checks are still terrible enough that any time you use the GTS or Wonder Trade, you're almost guaranteed to get something that's hacked, and yet less obviously hacked things will get you disqualified from VGCs.
This point may be rather obvious, but when an unofficial tool like PKHeX is better equipt to deal with these issues, why are we paying so much to Nintendo/Game Freak/TPCi when they're offering us less value? I hacked my Switch just so I can back up my saves (though sometimes I edit them too, but needlessly limited-time Mystery Gift content is also awful and a good reason to hack). Why pay for backups when these (and Animal Crossing) are the only games that you _can't_ back up? It's all so tiresome.
Realaitically I think if Pokemon wants to fix a lot of these problems they need to introduce a fun, thought provoking, mini game that is used to grind up a currency or similar that can be used to redeem for basically everything related to training.
Such as buying eggs that will hatch into the Pokemon you need, with options for 0 speed/attack. This includes exclusives and legendaries.
Maybe they could lock the progression behind a dozen hours of rank building or something first, but at a certain point it needs to be possible to aquire every legal pokemon on any version of the game.
Trading would still be easier and quicker, but thats never reliable and owning two consoles is not a solution.
As an person who used to hack vgc teams since early scarlet and violet, however after my switch online was gone, so i have to actually do the team building myself, it was long to bulid to train all of my mons, however i finally finish the team.
I’m always surprised that they don’t have a native version of PKHex that allows someone to craft their team for matches easily.
The thing that always confused me was the rental team function. It makes sense for people to borrow a team sure, but at that point why not just make it a “simulated mode” where any Pokémon you’ve caught can be featured in there as an online only battle Pokémon.
You’d be able to adjust what you want inside the builder such as EV, IV, Nature, Ability, heck even shiny if you’ve registered that Pokémon as a shiny in your dex. Then it’s just save the team and send them out into battle for online battles only. We can go one step further and make a cool effect on the Pokémon being holograms to show the ones that were made for battle.
It honestly seems like Nintendo hates people who play their games competitively.
A perk for completing the dex could be a showdown like pokemon editor
Crazy that pokemon games dont have two styles of comp battling where one option is a showdown type thing and another is a classic mode where only trained mons are allowed, huge L that qol change isnt in the modern titles
Boo hoo, imagine being upset that your competitive tournament, with 5 digit prize support, has a small monetary commitment required.
yeah it's called entry fees.
lol my obsession in this game is building and breeding minmaxed perfect pokemon. I do not battle at all.
I like your solution at the end. The threefold plan pretty much works.
My personal defense for there still being any teambuilding at all is because theres still value in bringing a competetive team you made. Theres some level of satisfaction there, and imo thats one of the only reasons to play an official release as opposed to showdown if you're just interested in competetive.
However making Pokemon harder to train but then making that training only really necessary for post game content like Battle Facilities still works well. It is the best way to have our cake and eat it too under the scenario that pvp becomes sliders
26:23 there’s literally a search function in home my guys
man, this RNG stuff that you do, is no like really counterintuitive to the video's proposal, beacause if the video is "How nintendo want" the RNG should be part of the game, also not everyone know RNG manupulation exists in pokemon game, I only know beacause of your videos, but if I need to do that, we probably be impossible to me, that would have to learn from 0, my first language is not english(which explains my writing mistakes) which makes it extremely difficult for me to learn these techniques. I know the idea here is to see it from the perspective of pro players and for those who want to make the first team for a tournament and have no knowledge of RNG control. My idea is not to speak badly of your video, just to bring up another point.
It's still cheating. This guy just wants to make ot sound like it's not.
22:35 I mean...explaining how its "legal" isnt a good indicator of it actually being so. It looks like you were save scumming pretty much?
I do think pay to win is problematic online, but in person tournaments are like $60 to enter. I think at that point DLC for calyrex isn’t so bad
@@kingyveltal1623 you are paying money for an advantage in competition. Its bad.
Secondhand you can still buy sw/sh + dlc (cartridge version) really cheap (35-45€) if you search well but yeah... you still need to buy it.
Pokémon white goes insaly high there, here it sells for 40€-50€ boxed.
I'm currently getting back into VGC mostly because the upcoming Regulation H doesn't allow legendaries at all, so all the Pokémon in the format are (relatively) easy to obtain. Though, I didn't play Scarlet all the way through when it came out (only just went back and finished it the other week) and I never got the DLC (will maybe do so at a later date but not right now), so I'm still at kind of a disadvantage.
Some of my suggestions as to what GameFreak should do in future games to make acquiring competitively viable Pokémon easier:
- Include ways to encounter all past legendaries in the base games on release, keep the version exclusives for all I care but please just add this. and also please don't make them annoying like the ultra wormholes in Gen7
- Include ways to make legendaries and other static encounters reappear even if you have already caught them
- Add a Rusty Bottlecap, that works just like the normal Bottlecap except it reduces the selected stat to 0
- Please, for the love of god, please bring back the daycare. This picnic shit is ridiculous.
- Include official ways to make vitamins and PP Ups easy to acquire without having to money grind for hours
- If there is some kind of resource comparable to Tera Shards in this game, just make those accessible in some way as well. No more mindless raid grinding pls
Oh man, as someone who loves to use Trick Room I FELT that bit about a Rusty Bottle Cap.
Good news is, it's actually insanely easy to grind money and Tera shards in the DLC. In Teal Mask you get a charm that dramatically increases the Tera Shards you receive after Raid Battles, and in Indigo Disk there's this weird machine where you put in those pokemon materials and it spits out all kinds of items including nuggets, bottle caps, leftovers, evolution stones, etc. You can get a ton of money from this thing from just grinding against Chansey who give lots of Exp. and Hp Evs so you get a lot out of them very quickly.
Legendaries are not allowed,but bloodmoon is, and is top tier
Instructions unclear, you now need 500 shards to change tera type
I was a picnic hater, but it's better than the daycare system I think. I'd rather afk than have to walk in circles to get eggs.
24:30 re: transfers, you can't even easily get access to them today since the 3DS eshop shut down and it's impossible to get access to bank and poketransporter legitimately. A friend of mine, who had downloaded Pokemon Transporter, can't even use it anymore because he forgot to update it in time.
So if somebody wanted to get a Landorus through gen 5 they'd need to get:
- both pokemon black and white (Landorus requires both Thundurus and Tornadus, and they're exclusive)
- a used 3DS that has bank and transporter already downloaded
- a second DS console to trade with yourself
I realize that modding a 3DS is easy and you could probably get access to bank and the transporter that way, but it'd probably be breaking TPC's no hacking rules for VGC anyway and at that point you might as well just use PkHex.
The time and money aspect is why I chose the TCG over VGC. If they made a Pokemon Showdown clone then I would definitely get into VGC.
bro forgot the games included with the pokemon
One of the ultimate ironic jokes about modern EV training is that in an effort to make a "more honest" method of team building, it's just literally drugs, collectable junk, and shelling out a bunch of money and time both in game and irl.
It's become more effective to just buy a team from someone else, and frankly, I don't know why a cottage industry of competitive vendors aren't really around.
It means only kids still in school, who still have a wealth of free time, can really afford the time to do things legitimately. And that's equally unfair to the adults who have the money, but no time to keep up.
I do feel like the pokemon company does have a slight justification in making people play all their games if they are going to put together these big events that cost a lot of money. Maybe its pay to win, but it seems fair to me if you are getting games. Its not a microtransactions at least. The big thing is the time sink. They need to make it so you can adjust ivs however you want with items or something. Its not fun mashing a for 10 hours when you need a different iv zamazenta.
they are the most profitable media franchise in the world giving out peanuts cmon now.
I am of the opinion that all Pokemon that are useable in a current regulation should be attainable in that ccurrent set of games (Scarlet and Violet in this case), its so scummy otherwise, they make more than enough money as it is. I suppose if you're a top player you could just build a good team with all accessible mons on Sc/Vi, and exclude those others as they aren't 100% needed for every team, but all should have the option regardless imo.
honestly you're the goat for doing these. a player gets a team and you get great content. love these vids
At least regulation H will be cheaper in way? assuming you can get regular mons, tms and evolving items from trades with people and asking for help to evolve legend arceus mons, BM ursaluna should be the only one that cant be obtained in a fresh file with no dlc, or im missing someone?
Starters are still a pain.
@@zxb995511 Yes and no, spend some time doing wonder trades and you'll get a bunch of starters.
To be fair, Archaludon and BM Ursaluna are both >10% usage for Reg H preview atm. They'll be popular picks for the format.
@@SirenXD. True, but even them, just the game and dlc is cheaper than now.
6:00 Small correction but calyrex cannot be caught until you have become the champion. You can do the entire quest chain except for catching him before championship
Now stay how much it’s cost to travel and win enough points to get to worlds.
also printing machine RNG discovery is insanely huge. I've been wondering for ages if this was a possibility for tera shards and I'm just blown away and so excited to see this. Thank you so much for introducing this process to everyone!
Now Pokemon isn’t a series but a base game with two decades of expansions that are for some reason all in the Meta
They set up such an obvious push to get people to get the other games, then Luca Ceribelli went and won with a team that can be entirely caught in Violet plus DLC. I feel like this will only encourage Game Freak to keep doing this, however.
I understand why you do it, but I find it a stretch to say rng manipulation is intended. I think if true randomness was possible, it would be in the games. It's sad that with all the accessibility improvements, we still have to abuse the limits of computation to get specific, meta-defining mons in a "reasonable" amount of time
great video Bliss! worlds made me really want to try VGC. I have 2 kids and a buncha debt i’m trying to pay down. life hits hard sometimes and it’s bogus that i can’t use pokemon from pokemon go cause i don’t have the unlocked pokédex. also can’t get other pokemon cause of DLC. shits ruff
Chatot: ...what am I, an RNG Manip to you?
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