Should we be more EXCITED? | Warhammer Old World Thoughts
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- We are on the fence when it comes to Warhammer Old World. Its got some fantastic looking miniatures, but should we be more excited about it?
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I think it’s going to do much better than people think. Obviously I could be wrong, but a lot of the old kits, whilst being dated, still actually hold up when painted and if they get the pricing right (big of) more people might be willing to give the older stuff a go. Also, smart choice to start with two of the armies that haven’t had models released in well over a decade since they’ll sell well, even with just the old players who still play 8th eduction, army projects and 9th age. The fact that people love the total war games also might help.
Here’s hoping it does do well! The price for these older kits is going to be…..interesting
this is the problem with GW Its always investment vs popularity. The reality is investment=popularity half bake a release you get half the popularity.
Yeah this is totally right!
8th edition kill WHFB, increase in figure price combined with increased size of core units because of hoard rules and no entry level game made it too expensive and time intensive for new players. With 'TOW' I'm really hoping that they make the game scaleable and you can play with 500pts as easily as you can with 3000pts and because they are reusing old molded for core troops they will keep the price of these units down. But it is GW so not holding my breath.
It's still incredibly hard to speculate! Let's hope so though.
Agreed but unfortunately the decline started with the rampant powercreep of 7th edition army books, up to demons that basically killed an edition with incredibly solid core rules.
You're right in your reasoning but GW are so far beyond reason due to their shitty corporate take on everything so on that basis they'll release and it will be DOA or killed in the cradle... very regrettably. Tbh my gaming group went off WHFB before 8th edition: The expense and game system was not given enough "new lease of life" post-2000 imho and it ended up stagnating the game system.
Skirmish was ALWAYS the solution to the Old World/WHFB to create a much more accessible game system and points/army size with warbands aka Mordheim with each mini a unique character model (more or less) then use that to start as a basis to jumping to 500pts and beyond with more scenarios and campaigns...
Over time GW has ossified from the RPG/wargaming hybrid early days into a mere product company, losing sight of the secret sauce that made the games, the lore and more all so enjoyable...
I’m super excited for Old World. My whole games club collapsed after the end times. Then my life changed and I left the hobby for a bit. A career change and 2 kids later and I’m so ready for fantasy to come back. No disrespect to AoS but it lacks a lot of the charm of the old game, for me anyway.
Another thing I’m excited for are green gaming tables. With woods and farm buildings, fences rivers. After 2 editions of playing 40K and Heresy on grey and brown gaming tables I’m ready for a bit of whimsy. Looking forward to making a farmers field and gluing flowers to my square bases! I’m already building a fantasy version my favourite local pub for use in games!
That's such a real shame it collapsed, but imagine your old gaming buddies reuniting for the common cause! A man can dream.
I know what you mean, personally I love AOS but I'm really looking forward to that high fantasy aesthetic to return.
@@the_kieran_show they were a hyper competitive bunch tbh so I doubt it. My life’s moved on and I simply don’t have the time to commit to playing super cut throat Warhammer 3 x a week and probably a dozen more games on TTS in order to get good.
I agree, I really, really do not like AoS. As someone who’s been playing Fantasy for 30 years, AoS just feels awful to play.
The lore is also frighteningly bad.
@@Stonehorn in some cases yes. The new Flesh Eater Courts might make me fail my toughness test. FEC imho are one of the best factions GW have come up with in terms of lore and models for a long time.
Buying repackaged 20-30 year old kits at peak inflation prices for the nostalgia sums up this community.
I can't see the repurposed kits being as popular as broadcasted. A few for nostalgia purposes surely.
Going all out for Tomb Kings. I already have 10k of them, ready to MASSIVLY expand.
Got 3000 points of every army, besides Chaos Dwarves, not them.
Ho baby! I think Kieran will be doubling down aswell. Let's wait and see what the next preview brings eh?
I love the idea, can’t wait to paint some models. And large scale battles. I hate age of sigmar stuff.
Hopefully we get to see more minis soon!
To be fair, I would only be in it for the minis. Right now, most people in my hobby area just use free old online rules from fantasy days and thematically fitting off brand armies. I play Ogres and Skaven using Mantic Games minis and it works great. And I'm greatly tempted by the options for Chaos Dwarves, Tomb Kings, Greenskins, Undead and Daemons (Abyssals+Nightstalkers) they have. The new Dark Elves equivalent looks very fine, too.
It's certainly a super exciting time, can you expect a rules overhaul or more of a refresh if anything?
@@the_kieran_show not gonna lie, I see GW doing something in between, trying to take the best of earlier editions while mixing in some fresh ideas from AoS. After all, it isn't actual Warhammer Fantasy but something new based on the world.
The end goal will most likely be something close like what they did with the newest edition of Horus Heresy in my opinion. It would also fit, Horus Heresy is the "historical" 40k game, now "Old World" will be the "historical" AoS.
I also expect that a lot of later releases might be forgeworld, mirroring Horus Heresy, while GW will mostly focus on starter items and the current top dogs of their franchise.
I haven't spent a penny on AoS. When Old World comes out I'll be lining up to get High Elves and Orks when they come out. I have about 6000 points of each packed away in the closet.
Be fun to get all the old models out!
If it doesn't work out I can always go back to playing 6th edition Warhammer Fantasy Battle
Great idea!
I actually only played warhammer fantasy when I got into the hobby, so very interested to see what they do with it! Agree with the worry that there could be a buzz and then a decline (potentially worse than heresy I think) but hopefully the game is fun and they give each faction enough love and not just one new character for armies outside of TK and Bretonnia
I think people love a nostalgia trip, it sells after all. Regardless of the IP.
Like most things it'll be a "oh I remember this" until it's not nostalgic anymore and it dips.
They've already said they're releasing new models for like 6 of the original armies. Thats it. The rest get a 1 page PDF rules "update", and no reprints or new models of any kind. Cause the undead are "sleeping".
Yes.. thats an actual )#*$ing quote. The vampires are dead, so the zombies are sleeping. Cause ya know.. undead nappy time is a thing!
Actually the Vampire Counts (as in the Von Carsteins) are very weak at the moment in time the Old World is set in. Hel Fen happened, Mannfred was cut down (his eventual return is detailed in the 4th Ed Undead army book) and Vampires are not raising huge armies at this point in time. On the other hand the tomb kings are pretty active with Settra raiding the coasts of the Old World and the errantry wars ready to happen, so it’s quite a fine time to be undead but vampires are laying low.
As someone who doesn't play the game, and has no interest in the competitive side; this was fascinating to watch. Personally I'm just glad to see the old kits return for sale so others who have fallen in love with the setting can share their creativity with the world, or just take joy in collecting something they learned about through the massively popular Warhammer Fantasy video games.
I'm more excited to see the miniatures people paint and a fresh resurgence to the community, than knowing whether or not people play the game in their game stores.
I was inspired to paint my old metal and resin Chaos Dwarf project with the announcement; so even if the new release doesn't do well I'm sure there will be plenty who dust off their old armies, either on shelves or in boxes, and get enjoyment from their toys! Also curious to see if they will print new books around the Old World 'Age of Three Emperors.'
Thats such a nice take on it. Seeing a fresh range of artists take on nostalgic pieces that all can enjoy is a brilliant result.
There's certainly alot more to be said around a competitive aspect, whether it'll hold up as a game against the likes of 40k and AoS. But the hobby side will absolutely be a brilliant resurgence as you said.
I started collecting Warhammer Fantasy 6th edition stuff before Old World was announced as a little painting project. The announcement increased my excitement for doing 6th edition, but I'm still on the fence with the Old World.
Need no, want YES. Old Warhammer was best Warhammer, New Old Warhammer will hopefully live up to its legacy
Here’s hoping!
Im fucking hyped. I still play WFB more than any other game. My friends and I still play multiple older editions, and have almost every army between the 4 of us. We’ve been playing since 1993.
I still play in tournaments, and will for Old World as well.
Oh wow that’s really cool!
Old player here, yes we are exicited and miss our game. You both show your AoS roots which is ok. But its easy to see the bias while underplaying what destorying old world really meant. AoS was never a alternative to WHFB. I hope we get new younger players and will try locally to recurit and let them use my past armies. There is nothing like masses of ranks charging at one another and the excitement of psychology tests.
In fairness I don't think we really understand the gravity that the End Times brought! The last thing we want to be is ignorant, obviously AoS is the only of the two that we've dabbled in. Certainly excited for the future!
No interest in Old World; I get my rank & flank fix from Kings of War; and we already have a similar army to Tomb Kings.
Oh I've seen those advertised! They have some really brilliant models too.
I never liked the lore of Age of Sigmar with its floating balloon dwarves and 'eaaelves' having a stupid hat party and I never liked the rules either, so yes I am pining for an old-fashioned Tolkeenish fantasy game.
Stupid party hats 😂😂
Im really hoping for new beastmen moddles .
Fantasy / old world is a much different type of game than the other 3 main ones (which are esentially reskinned versions of the same framework...) if only because of the regiment setup.
It's success is a matter of how much are they willing to invest really. AoS grew only because they invested very heavily and the other alternative is more sci-fi. In terms of aesthetic, look of the army and display warhammer fantasy beats all of them. The problem is that some of the returning kits really show its age.
Yeah like we mentioned, the old kits look OLD and that’s definitely going to put some people off
Age of Sigmar succeeds precisely because it beats old fantasy in every way. The most important parameter is the quality of the community. Tell me honestly, is there anything more toxic than FB grognards and gatekeepers and their newborn fanboys from Total War?
@@Basil_Ghothickovitch They killed fantasy and really gave up on it way before that.
The only reason AoS did well is because they killed fantasy, they pushed and forced AoS very hard very early on, and it is a similar archetype of gameplay than 40k.
I don't think you can compare The Old World to Horus Heresy. A big issue with the Horus Heresy is that it's just Space Marines fighting Space Marines. There's very little variety and I can see why it's easy for people to get bored of it. The Old World, even if you ignore the armies that won't be part of the narrative, have like 9 unique armies. There's a lot more variety for people to want to jump around to different armies.
I also don't think you can just call it "nostalgia". Yes there is definitely nostalgia involved, but that downplays the fact that The Old World is a very different game to Age of Sigmar. There's almost no similarities between the two in how they play. Age of Sigmar wasn't just "Warhammer Fantasy" with a new coat of paint. It was an entirely different universe AND game. There's a lot of people who just didn't want to move to Age of Sigmar because they weren't a fan of the gameplay mechanics change, regardless of how they felt about GW blowing up the setting they loved.
As for a tournament scene, unless the game bombs spectacularly, I imagine there will be people who want to participate in tournaments with the game. Again, it's so different than AoS that those people can't just do an AoS tournament to scratch that itch.
The biggest barrier to entry will be seeing what they do with model counts and unit box prices. Warhammer Fantasy was difficult for people to get into back in the day due to the price of entry. 8th Edition made this worse when they added in the Horde mechanics and Steadfast, forcing people to field even BIGGER units than they would have before. That's the main thing GW needs to fix. They need to make sure the game is accessible to new players.
I'm excited but then again I never stopped playing so new rules will be a fun shake up for me.
From a new models/armies perspective I think my collecting is going to pivot into, what can I buy that I can proxy/play in both AoS and TOW rather than getting relisted very old sculpts.
I think most people will do the same tbh, the mix of two model ranges is always brilliant from a creativity aspect too.
It's extremely weird release, but I would say its not really comparable to Heresy.
Heresy is a (big) niche game based of the book hype and favorite 'faction' of 40k. Its mainly for hardcore and elder SM fans - I'm saying it because its more expensive (go Forgeworld) and based of rules that resemble more then 90s 40k than modern day. Its biggest advantage is on the other hand the very condensed range - they need only few kits to serve pretty much all factions - SM get the new stuff and represent 18 factions, daemons can be the regular daemons and Imperial guard can use Imperial guard - its a very solid core to serve a system that you are expanding (they still fucked it up with the year of the tank). And for the crazy ones you can go with full Forgeworld armies (or buy a tropical island with that money).
Old World is very different. It will rely on old players bringing back their armies to fill a void. There are too many factions, too many minis to really get the Warhammer Fantasy feeling served quickly. I really don't know how it will go. Luckily I am not interested as I'm currently not part of any gaming group and I have my huge HH/40k project to keep me busy, but even if things were different it would feel like a big risk to invest into it. Maybe if I finish my Dark Angels in a couple of years and either Kislev or Slanesh Chaos Warriors turn out to be really great model ranges I might do a collection for fun, but I have serious doubts - Total War Warhammer serves that itch pretty well.
It is going to be very interesting to see how expensive the new armies will be. New kits, mixed with old kits, mixed with resin and very depending on how big units will turn out to be. I guess I'm more interested in how GW will handle the business aspect of it all than the game itself.
I think you've made some really fair points.
I can see the whole release being a slow one aswell, as you've mentioned the sheer variety that each faction brings it'll need to be super tight to ensure they don't mess it up.
I doubt I will buy much in the way of models as I already 3d print everything I need. I also play 9th age and that works good for me., That being said I will probably get the rules.I am not sure why people keep bringing up Horus Heresy like it was a failed launch. It was a relaunch but HH as a game setting has been around since 6th or 7th Ed. and have already had a plethora of books and models released over the years and has its already committed fan base.
i have friends that started playing in the 90s but hated aos so much they stopped playing. then they decided to just do what they like and started up again with 6th. picking up models for cheap and building out multiple classic armies. i had moved to another part of the country so i was no longer playing and thus had no motivation to buy more models but i still have my original army. at this point theres very little chance any of us will buy new models from gw. we might look at the rulebook but ultimately we havent needed gw for over a very long time and now with 3d printing id rather have classic figures then.. whatever this is.
Even if the game is bad... we get the models. So I'm 100% on board, lol.
... but comparing it to Heresy is not a good comparison... because it's not like we LOST 40K. People could still play with their Space Marines. By comparison, Rank and Flank is currently not in GW at all. Many of these armies cannot be used on the tabletop.
All hail new miniatures!
It won't be like Heresy. There is a community waiting for The Old World. Including AOS players and non AOS players. It doesn't necessarily mean that it will be more successful than Heresy. But it won't be the same story as Heresy.
Hope so!
So weird. You guys prefer the new sculpts and dislike metal kits. I feel the opposite. The new sculpts are too large and had dumb poses with too much fiddly detail. And metal models are the best. Plastic is okay, resin is total garbage.
BTW, a Tomb King on a centerpiece bone dragon has been previewed. So put your money where your mouth is!
Yeah we saw that reveal. That dragon is very cool so watch this space 👀
I’ve been playing Warhammer Armies Project for around 3 years now, so I honestly don’t really care too much about Old World. I already have a group I play armies project with, so I don’t really worry about wether or not old world will be good. I’ll give it a shot tho. Just hope they don’t take forever to release rules for the other factions.
I definitely think it'll be a slow burner. I think it's at risk of the Heresy hype train when the first 6 months it's hot property, then dives if there's not the support for it.
This relase will get me back in the hobby, i started looking for 2nd hand Brets but i could only find massively over priced early Ed models. Even if i can just get a army back togther and play older rules editions.. i just dont like the lore around AoS or the armies.
Gimme back my rank and file and my brettonians
Well it certainly seems like your prayers have been answered!
Super exciting that you're back in the hobby after a long break though 😁
I think GW waited just long enough for most people to either have rebased their armies or sold their armies so they'll have to buy new stuff if they want to play.
If I ran a business that's what I'd do! 😂
@@the_kieran_show I still have my armies and they're on square.
That doesn't mean I'm going to play or anything to do with the old world.
I really like Warhammer armies project are doing. 👍
I didn’t rebase anything. Still play every week or two. Mostly WAP or 5th, and 8th edition.
I got interested playing the total war releases. Was sad to see the world ended and get replaced by age of sigmar. Like the classic time period better. May not be a lot like me but I’m diving in.
That's certainly exciting! The Total War crowd will be gassed for it I'm sure 🤘
Fantasy was my gateway into the hobby and I am excited for the return but holding reservations on how they will roll it out. I have the suspision that we will not being see as many new minis as we want. I hope they will take it seriously and not just use the return as a quick money grab to boost quarterly revenue.
I think the popularity will dictate the miniatures we get. I imagine GW doesn’t want to be as cavalier and commit like they did with heresy
Well, I guess you guys are in with that recent release of the Tomb King on a Skeletal Dracolich!!
Haha.....yeahhhhhh
The priority of releases for heresy in annoying, and now they are about to bring out an epic scale game that will have units we need in plastic for heresy.
There’s just too many games.
We don't get Epic AT ALL. If people enjoy it that's great, but it just doesn't do it for us.
Heresy could have really benefitted for some troop options alot sooner. Tonks are fab but boots on the ground are always needed. Unless you're doing an armoured spearhead like an absolute maverick.
The one thing we need is fresh sculpts for several units, so as long as it delivers on that front, I'll be fine. Rules-wise there is plenty to choose and houserule from.
Absolutely right! I'm sure there's plenty more to see yet.
I agree with you the one god thing that does come from old world being supported would be more events that have this game at it. Hopefully it doesn’t start to die down however I think it will come down to the community as well as support.
Really hoping it doesn’t go the way heresy seems to be going and just stay stagnant with a player base that isn’t growing a great deal ☹️
@@the_kieran_show I hear ya! Heresy was like my bread and butter I absolutely love the setting but it is entirely dead in my area. I’m hoping that with positivity the old world will stay afloat. However it’s hard to say given the fact that WHFB wasn’t performing when they gave it the axe. It’s a numbers game
In my opinion and where fantasy shoots itself in the foot is when you
Have your army that’s pretty much it. Most people like myself will really only have to dust of their existing armies and I’m wondering if that is going to
Hurt the overall welcoming over the old world given that they are bringing back a lot of old minis.
What kind of a question is that
Yes!!!!
Kept my Dwarfs playing 6th edition for years.
Let's see what GW does with The Old World. Perhaps Nipon, Araby will come into play.
I think the game will be excellent as a system, just judging from the little they've previewed (and the fact it's apparently had iirc ~100 playtesters working on it since iirc 2019 a rarity in GW) and i think it will be a modest success but i have little interest in investing in the game. WHFB had quite a few REALLY dull, indistinct factions (AOS is pretty much a direct response to this point), and imo most of the lame factions are coming out first with a bunch of the interesting ones only supported with Legacy PDFs, for example Skaven and Vampire Counts. Who knows how long it will take to roll out the armies, i've heard rumours that the initial 9 armies are going to take 3 years! to come out.
Should have been Kislev Vs Chaos Dwarfs or something, then i might have been interested. If i do get caught in the Hype there's at least Greenskins or Empire (but i'd be doing a counts as army using AOS stuff) and that's assuming their Army Books come out close to release. Any chance we can see your Heresy Army/ some Heresy content Kieran(s)?
Because the new world doesn't appeal to everyone... and AoS is a completely different kind of game, GW doesn't produce anything like it and I don't play AoS not because of the lore but because the gameplay doesn't interest me, I have skirmish games I prefer.. What we don't have is a wargame and Warhammer old world is that.
yes well I am anyway, I gave up playing 40K and never got into AoS as the rule sets are far too simple and imo no fun, WHFB got me into this hobby and I'm hoping the Old World will get me playing again
Going to be frank most people in the Warhammer community are band wagonners. They just get excited for the newest thibg olay a couple of games and then whine about something wring with it. They proceed to get hyped for the new shiny thing only for the cycle to repeat.
I think that they should have made it the fun, silly Bombastic Warhammer of the early 90s rather than the joyless cashgrab of the 2000s.
100% agree.
This would have been the genius move, but they're not that smart.
Instead we get £170 for a massive box of models with stuff in there (skeleton horses) that was designed in 1989 - let that sink in.
I don't understand it on any level. Nostalgia is not enough for this to run on. A WFB ruleset is the exact opposite of the ruleset you would design to appeal to fans of the video games. The old sculpts don't appeal to people like me who are nostalgic for the setting, but primarily are collectors and painters. Heresy at least has a complete new model range. I have no clue what they're going for. The only thing I can think is that this is like the movie Morbius and they've looked at the internet noise around Fantasy and thought it was real enough to make Morbius 2.
Not 'old world'. Warhammer.
Maybe Warhammer fantasy battle.
Never old world.
Old world, new world, it's all fantasy to us!
Nostalgia is a hell of a drug but it can wear off fast. I tried playing a game of WHFB 8th edition again and I hated it. I'll stick to AoS and 40k.
Nostalgia also sells!
As someone who never had a whfb army im on the fence about how to start with the upcoming old world release. Do I try ebay hunt an army in the run-up to the launch (prices are varying wildly on OOP stuff) or do I wait and hope GW will package up the old kits at a somewhat affordable price? Tricky!
No matter what happens I know I'm painting some Bretonnians for competition - so im happy about those gorgoeus new sculpts.
My recommendation would be experiment with some eBay bits if you can get them for an appropriate price. Don't jump all in just yet because you can guarantee what you do get will get a shiny new refresh 😂
So many AoS models would fit in so well, insane to not use them.
Absolutely right!
The new character models look great, aside from the - very handsome - horses being ridiculously large, but the knights on foot are atrociously overdesigned.
Yeah there is a lot of details on those foot troops!
I started playing fantasy back in 6th edition - im looking forward to this coming out, and i would like to make a new army to play with. problem is i only have one friend who still has/plays Fantasy! if it doesn't attract any new gamers to my local gaming store, theres not much point in painting up a new army.
might just buy the rulebook though
Even just getting the rule book for some light reading sounds good!
I was and am a huge Fantasy fan. I've been mad bitter about the end time and AoS (even though I gave it a go) ever since. The salt is real. So I've been hype about the old world announcement ever since they released a picture of that square base 4 or 5 years ago.
Saying that though, I really don't think they've done enough to build excitement before the launch. And I really hope they release more than 2 armies as that basically ruins the tale of 4 gamers idea myself and my friends had planned for release... We can't all start the same two armies 🤔
I think we're a long way off the release just yet. My expectation is maybe 6 months or so? Early next year for sure.
I think it's also so so hard to speculate! That being said I'd love for all factions to get the same amount of love that we've seen for the Bret's. Im a sucker for vampires so some new ones certainly wouldn't go a miss!
The problem for games workshop is “if I can use these models for both games…” should just be books and bases not whole lines of minis
Yeah It does cut into potential profit I imagine!
No, unless they create a Grand Cathay range or perhaps they redid nearly the entire range of High Elves.
High elves would be cool!
Noob question here, isn’t age of sigmar kind of overlapping with the old world setting? It’s both medieval fantasy and they even have factions in AOS that are “revamped” of old world’s
I have no idea but I'm just pleased to see some cool minis 🤓🤓
@@the_kieran_show Fair enough actually, why not seeing this in a positive light, you are correct 👍
Warhammer Fantasy failed, yes, because of a bloated 60-100 page ruleset, but mainly because of price and model count.
Does anyone think GW have learned? Or going to make the exact same mistakes as before?
Let's face it. The anti-Warhammer pro-AoS faction at GW won and Old World has been designed to FAIL. It's designed to fail on arrival due to internal GW politics (plus the bizarre insistence on releasing the game 2023 for the 40th anniversary, only to be held back to 2024 - when originally set for a 2025 full release). It's designed to fail.
Agree, I can't see any deep insight into the game design, learning from so many decades, just seems a hastily wheeled out cash-grab from a mindless corporate entity. Deep shame as some of the lore and models are my absolute favourites...
i want one thing from old world.
New skavens but as far as i know we wont get new skavens
Yeah it does sound like they aren’t being supported for Old World
As an old WHFB player who hated the original AoS, i was initially excited to hear about The Old World. The more I hear, the less I'm looking forward to it. The mix of overpriced FW resin figures and 20 year old GW plastics just turns me off.
Hence the half baked launch comment from our side. I think the logic is pretty air tight from GW, it makes absolutely no sense having a full plastic launch on a game that may die in 12 months time.
i dont get the nostalgia bait thing. do you want the old world or not. the models are the damn same.
Nostalgia sells!
Some of the models look fab, but I think I'll mainly be seeing them as conversion fodder.
The cities of Sigmar army box looked like a great way of making a "mediaeval feel" Imperial Guard army. And the only way I'd consider painting/playing IG 😂
Haha you'll never convince us! 😂
turning all 20x20 base to 25x25 will turn off so many ppl
See that I can totally agree with. Surely there's some clever people out there that have made the correct movement trays? Save all that hassle!
The Bretonia - Tomb Kings starter set is an instant pre-order for me
Leaks suggest otherwise 👀👀
@@the_kieran_show as soon as I posted this I saw the leaks saying there will be no starter set 🥲. Oh well I’m still getting me some knights and skelly boys ⚜️💀
We need food and water.
Amen
ROTFL. Im 47, worked for GW, played it all since 1st edition and I was a big fan of Fantasy Battle.....then it was canceled....did I stop ? No, like many I went to different rules AND models (Not age of sigmar, barf) , and now I have zero interest in any offering GW brings with regards to Fantasy, none. The model quality is NOT a draw for me at all, considering the wealth of rad 28mm fantasy stuff out there by various companies and rules sets that allow me to stat those models and get them to the table without them having to be some sort of army book specific unit. If you enjoy the expensive shackles of GW then by all means play their games, but I have been out since 6th edition 40k. Metal figs are much nicer to paint on by the way, and with modern metals you aren't losing a thing.
I want to be excited for Old World (Warhammer Fantasy is what got me interested in the hobby when I was a kid) but I just can't find the hype for it.
I think it's a very strange one. There's alot more to come for sure, I don't think it'll release until next year at this stage.
@@the_kieran_showearly next year (possibly February) is the word. GW itself has been confirming this.
Old world is just an excuse to use the old fantasy modells again and sell new. GW is just a greedy shit hole. and i never understood why they need forge world. i sometimes buy Modells from other creators wich are good and cheap and can proxy or kitbach nearly every army.
They will definitely be printing money with these releases!
I think it's a product for nobody. The grogs that already have full armies will not pay a dime. The newbies will be put off by the high cost of entry. The other GW clients are already playing other games and probably won't move. The only client here is a person that always wanted a fantasy army and can now afford it, and did not move to other games after AoS became a thing. I predict this game will tank hard after the initial release hype dies down.
Interesting take. Do you not think the new ruleset and range (partial) refresh will inspire a new wave of interest?
@@the_kieran_show I think you guys captured it perfectly in one of the comments. It will fizzle out as quickly as it will come since they will treat it like HH or worse. And we know how keen geedubya is on upkeeping a "failing franchise".
I hope they don't just launch with Bretonnia and Tomb Kings. I will pick up the damsel models and maybe the new pegasus but I'm never going to paint a whole army of these guys. If they also launched with some of the old Empire and Orcs kits I'd be willing to buy in and add to the success of the launch and hopefully keep it healthy for future.
Also, I hope we can use the new AoS kits which have equivalents in Old World. For example, the new aggradon lancers for Seraphon are basically updates of the old Lizardmen cold one riders, but they are significantly bigger and come in boxes of 3 rather than 5. Am I going to be able to run them in Old World? I wouldn't want to have to use the old derpy cold one riders especially when I know how nice they could look. If I knew I could use kits like these I'd already be buying loads of Seraphon models so I had an army on launch, but GW haven't done a very good job at all communicating or giving confidence to players. It would be good to get more concrete news on base sizes so I know where I stand.
I think that the game will launch with all existing models, but Bret's and Kings being the two main factions to begin the focus.
I think the community will do a phenomenal job with the existing AOS models and incorporating them into the OW setting.
@@the_kieran_show Fortunately a lot of the 'crossover' newer kits (saurus warriors, chaos knights...etc) seem to fit nicely on the newer sized squares.
@@corbingovers7559 This is really weird! Don't fantasy fanboys curse EVERY Age of Sigmar miniature as "soulless 3D", as opposed to the old "with character"?
I'm not even talking about the fact that placing models from another setting will ruin the atmosphere, right?
Try placing Napoleonic soldiers in the Roman era. And what? It's all same humans, isn't it?
@basilghothickovitch8233 the differences for those kits are very very small. It's mostly just "up-rezzing" the kit. All the design motifs are identical. The only weird model for WHFB from lizardmen will be the saurus knights as they'll remain the old goofy dinos. New vs old chaos warriors are just more detailed. Most of the new cities stuff would believably work in empire if you removed the gargoyles.
@@corbingovers7559 I wouldn’t go so far as to use the new cities of sigmar stuff as empire. But you do you :D the new Lizardmen, goblins, chaos, and vampire counts are all totally usable. As you say it’s the Saurus cavalry which is a weird one because they’re so much bigger
Its NOT warhammer Fantasy. I REALLY wish people would STOP calling it that. Its 100% a lie. Theyve already said its a "Slimmed down streamlined reimagining" In other words, its Age of Shitmar 3.5. Half the armies from Fantasy are getting absolutely NOTHING but a 1 page PDF "update" to their rules, and if you dont have the models? Oh well, sucks to be you! The REST of the factions are getting (of course) a full 60+ dollar "codex" + another 60+ "Rulebook".. and a handful of models per faction that are "new". They arent even updating the ranges themselves, giving us more Finecast garbage reprints and metal on resin trash that EVERYONE hated..
This is going to bellyflop SO badly its going to be hard to watch. NONE of my Fantasy friends are even remotely interested whatsoever. They'll buy the new models and use them for Kings of War.. thats about it.
Yeah can totally see the fine cast and metals kits being a tough sell to most people!
@@the_kieran_show When your whole game design philosophy is based around trying to clap back against Mantic Games ad campaign completely putting you on blast for the whole world to see.. it becomes alot clearer.
In case you didnt know this.. the ONLY (and I do mean ONLY) reason they even announced this was because Mantic Games launched a new edition of KoW, and ran a huge ad campaign openly mocking GW's treatment of their Fantasy community. Less than a week later, suddenly, out of the blue.. GW has a "Surprise Announcement" for their fans.. and its a LOGO.. they literally had *nothing* else to offer. It was a complete humiliation. Pretty much most of the community predicted this was going to be a half-assed cash grab.. and here we are!
That's a whole lot of words and energy spent on deranged lies from start to finish except for the likely price range of the books. Get help.
In the end you defeated your whole argument. You said your friends will "buy the models and use them for Kings of War." Sounds like GW still wins with that scenario playing out.
@@Nick-jo2js Actually no, I didnt. You're just not thinking it through.
If I buy 1 box of the new cavalry. Did i buy the books? No. Did I buy the Codexes? Nope. Did I buy a starter box? No. Did I buy an army box? Nope. Did I buy custom dice? Nope. Did I purchase reprinted product to round out the purchase and field an army? Nope. Am I actively looking for a game of this at my local hobby store? Nope. Will anyone else? Nope.
So... sure, you're right. GW will get that 50 bucks from me and a few of my friends. Thats what? 300 bucks?
My last 40k Army cost me almost $2,000.
Thats a net loss for GW of (at least) $1,300 a person. Hypothetically of course, as nobody can predict the future. However, smart people can make pretty good guesses.
My prediction? A whole lotta starter boxes rotting on store shelves as nobody touches it. Just like the original age of sigmar boxes did way back in the day.
Not buying any more GW products, sorry 👍
Hey no-one is making ya!
@@the_kieran_show Lol have you been in a GW store recently? 🤣
Fr though the steady price hikes in the face of cheap 3D printing technology just strikes me as unnecessarily greedy
I was a Tomb King Player and I was so heartbroken when the ends times ended Fantasy. Settra was such a boss during the end times and I was always holding out hope for them to come back in Sigmar, then I might actually get into it. OBR were close to TK, but not quite the pull I needed.
I have 10K 8th edition points for TK, so I will at least dabble in this and buy the shiny new thing. Especially if they update the ushabti. If what they did with the Kroxigors and cold ones is anything to go buy, I honestly cant wait to see them.
Worst case I will keep playing 9th age/KOW with shiny new plastic.
I think if they get the love that the Bret's have received then you'll absolutely be pre ordering some shiny new ones 😂
Why would anyone bend over and spread their cheeks for GW price gouging when Kings of War exists?
Re-releasing 20+ year old Bretonnia models as part of the very first launch is a big mistake, and i consider it fumbling the launch out of the gate. If they want to command a premium pricepoint (which they will), then they should provide a premium product. I have a full High Elves army from years ago, and I would love to start a new army for ToW with all new minis. That being said, I'm not going to buy old models at today's prices. I'm sure some others feel the same. GW needs to put some skin in the game if they want fans to reciprocate. Bretonnia and Tomb kings should both be completely new minis. I can see the argument for using some minis released towards the end in 8th edition, but beyond that they have no business bringing them back.
Yeah the old minis thing is a little strange. Hoping that if it does well then some of those old kits will get revisited like they did for heresy
@@the_kieran_show agreed- if they wind up revisiting them down the road, that would be awesome!
I was hyped from the time they announced it to the time they announced almost all the models will be old and most of the new ones will be Resin, with a handful of new plastics. Honestly I went from ready to jump in at launch to deciding to sit on the sidelines. It feels very low effort.
Forgeworld and GW have sold me to many rubbish resin casts for me to buy anything from them in resin.
It's very strange isn't it! Seems a split between a safe financial decision on their part and a half baked launch.
@@the_kieran_show The thing is, I think there are a lot of people like me who would have bought in, who will probably stay out of it now.
No.
It just Warhammar. Stop being a special boy, GW.
Hot take, all Warhammer is great, just depends on your preference! 😂
Hot take 2;
Age of Sig is not Warhammar
Il be making dawnbringer Bretonnians for AOS
Awesome idea! 🤘
Just play Conquest
I think heresy is failing, because they went with a 30k setting , rather then a 40k. Most players want 40k.
Heresy is the 30k setting? 😅
U dumb bro?
I wouldn't be sure its failing. I seriously doubt GW ever expected it to be as big as 40k - and nobody needs a second 40k. What would be the point of it except splitting your player base in two camps? Heresy serves a different audience. The only question is if its profitable for GW, which isn't the same as saying its as big as 40k.
Sales of Heresy apparently dropped when it became known that miniatures could not be used in 40k. "Legend rules" is rightly considered a grave and costs no more than toilet paper.
It’s also insulting, of course, how GW took a whole bunch of 40k models to insert into the Heresy - like the Brass Scorpion and the Decimator.
Age of Sigmar is awful, so yeah we do need it for a proper fantasy setting 💙
Both the Horus Heresy and the Old World are purely commercial products to make more money for Games Workshop. There is no charity here.
In this regard, the prospects for the Old World are unclear: "fantasy battles" were closed because they sold poorly. Many people could play, but preferred to buy non-GW models. Historical medieval knights, landsknechts or just generic dwarves or elves. Another way - pirate resin recast. And most importantly: Era of 3D printing now.
How much can GW earn in such a situation?
Worst of all: when "fb" was closed, the most toxic elements left the hobby, which is why Age of Sigmar has the friendliest and cheerful Warhammer community.
Now the grognards and gatekeepers are back. How do you imagine Age of Sigmar and T0W fans being in the same room? Like fox and chiken?
I think an old world fan and a sigmar fan being in the same room is akin to having to go to a party and your ex that you hate is going to be there 😆
Nope. The lore of the old world is so stagnant and leaves little to no room for creativity. If I want rank n' flank I'll play Conquest. Fresh takes on fantasy races, fun rules, and amazing 38mm models.
I'll be honest I'm not super clued up! I know a little but I'm hoping there's some sweet UA-cam channels that can indulge me.
stagnant and little room for creativity? Spoken like a person whose never actually played in that setting.
LOL conquest is dumb and dead already
@@skeith1543 K, thanks for telling what I have and haven't played.
@@GlitchyBunny Right, right, i suppose i should've just said 'lack of imagination.' yu seem like the type that needs to be ritz'd with flashy crap to stay amused.
Blink 182?....😂😢😅
Don't you dare sir!