A Disc? or A Ball? Flat or Global Earth Analysis Continued

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  • @johnfanortney7535
    @johnfanortney7535 3 місяці тому +2

    The answer to your question about not seeing Antarctica is perspective. The moisture in the air above sea LEVEL prevents visibility. The same moisture explains why the bottom of a ship "disappears" when it moves INTO the horizon. A pair of binoculars will bring the ship back into visibility if the moisture allows visibility. The ship does not tilt away as it moves over a curve and the water does not flow with the curve. As male means male and female means female so level means level. It doesn't mean curve.
    How will people in the southern hemisphere see the Lord Jesus in Revelation 1:7?

    • @dr.nickmargusd.th.s.2511
      @dr.nickmargusd.th.s.2511  3 місяці тому

      Appreciate the response. Light bends. So, there would not be an issue for the Messiah to do this upon His return (Revelation 1:7; 19:11-18). Additionally, with technology, we can easily view globally important events as they happen.
      I don't buy the moisture explanation. How is it that we can clearly see the oceans, with the exceptions of cloud cover and storms?
      Pertaining to level at sea, and water not flowing in a curved fashion, gravitational attraction keeps everything, including the water, intact and pulls everything to center. This is why you can't jump away from the globe and float away into space.
      One of the other commentators made a good point as well. If the ice keeps melting do to global extreme weather patterns, and the Earth is flat, we will eventually slip off the flat earth into space and float away. Right? Lol.
      Here is another good point made by someone. See Mt 12:40. How does Jesus spend three days and three nights in the Heart of the earth, if it is flat?
      How do we account for the three heavens in II Corinthians 12 fitting into this imaginary dome over the firmament? You see, there are so many holes in this flat earth theory just based on scripture alone.

    • @johnfanortney7535
      @johnfanortney7535 3 місяці тому +1

      @@dr.nickmargusd.th.s.2511 Well, I don’t buy the light bending idea for the Second Coming. Revelation 20:9 mentions the breadth (width - Ephesians 3:18) of the earth. A circle has breadth, but a ball only has diameter. Dr. Ruckman stated in his commentary on Psalm 19 that the earth is a circle and the sun travels in circuit. I’m not saying he believed in the flat earth. He did consider geocentricity, which makes no sense on a globe. Dr. Ruckman also mentioned the firmament was FIRM. It would have been interesting if the “revival” of the flat earth was in play before his death.
      The stationary plane does not discount the idea of the heart of the earth. God stated in the Ten Commandments not to worship any idol including one from UNDER the earth. Ezekiel mentioned the nether parts of the earth. It is known that palaces had prisons underneath; God has prisons under the earth. The children of Israel walked on the bottom of the Red Sea, but it was called the heart of the sea in Exodus 15:8.
      The first heaven is the open firmament where the birds fly. The second heaven is the firmament with the lights within it. The third heaven is right above the firmament as Ezekiel stated there is a throne above the firmament. The third heaven is likely to not be more than 100 miles above our heads.
      There are ideas on both sides of this issue that are difficult to explain or understand. The globe has MORE problems to explain than the stationary plane. If the sun didn’t stand still for Joshua or travel backwards for Hezekiah, what happened? If the earth stopped ONE of its motions, it would have killed everyone. Martin Luther mentioned this idea against the heliocentric model when it was introduced in his day by Copernicus.
      Buoyancy, density, and electromagnetism are more consistent scientific ideas than the inconsistency of the theory of gravity.
      There are many holes in the globe theory. Here are a few:
      1. No one feels the four motions of a spinning, speeding, spiraling, and space wobbling globe.
      2. Level means level, not curve; such as, sea level.
      3. Horizon means horizontal, not curve.
      4. The Pythagorean theorem for a sphere (distance in miles squared times .666 feet equals feet below the horizon) reveals there is no curve.
      5. The physics of water at rest is always level.
      6. NASA lies habitually.
      7. There is no tide on lakes or ponds.
      8. The North Star remains constant.
      9. If the force of gravity is equal around the globe, people in the north would weigh more due to the gravitational pull with less centrifugal force of the spin.
      10. Flight paths are consistent with the Gleason's map rather than the globe.
      11. Not one person at NASA thought of having a camera snap a photo of the earth in any of the six faked missions to the moon.
      12. Curiosity, the Mars rover, has been spotted on Devon Island of Greenland.
      13. I have never landed upside down in Sydney, nor have I felt the 1000 mph crosswind of the aether at the equator as the plane traveled sideways.
      I apologize for the length of this comment. The globe or the flat earth ideas should not be deal breakers for anyone. May the Lord bless.

    • @dr.nickmargusd.th.s.2511
      @dr.nickmargusd.th.s.2511  3 місяці тому

      Brother
      Appreciate the insight. Ruckman indeed was not dogmatic about either side of geocentric or heliocentric. I’m not dogmatic either about either side of the issue, however, telescopes have viewed heavenly bodies orbiting stars. This of course doesn’t prove that in every case the heavenly bodies of a star system orbit the stars.
      I understand the issues people have with the global model. Yet, NASA doesn’t cover up everything. Although I will give you, they sure do cover up a lot.
      Some other major issues I have with the flat earth 🌎 I may discuss sometime. For now, I am open to the truth, primarily, the truth from scripture, as I am certain that you are as well. This is really what we all want, at least, those of us who are followers of the Messiah. And one day he will expound to us all of the mysteries that we may not yet understand.
      Shalom aleichem Brother

  • @Freddy-Da-Freeloadah
    @Freddy-Da-Freeloadah 3 місяці тому +2

    Columbus thought the earth was shaped like a pear. Can that be disproved by Nautical miles? I think that derived from a mideval belief that the Garden of Eden was still in existence, and they had to find it for some Eschatological reason... That is implied in Columbus' letters...
    IMHO
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Columbus#Shape_of_the_Earth
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Figure_of_the_Earth#Pear_shape

  • @alanwatts9232
    @alanwatts9232 3 місяці тому

    Thanks Dr. Margus, I'm wondering with all the global warming we're supposed to be having, when the ice ring melts do we get washed out over the edge?

  • @thycircle79
    @thycircle79 3 місяці тому

    Biblical cosmology " is a far better title than the loaded " flat earth one. Grace and peace

  • @cherylcooper1885
    @cherylcooper1885 2 місяці тому +1

    Every eye will see Jesus because of wireless internet.

  • @stevenfetzer4911
    @stevenfetzer4911 3 місяці тому

    Did Jesus spend 3 days inside of a disc?

    • @thycircle79
      @thycircle79 3 місяці тому

      Biblical cosmology does not imply a disk. Grace and peace

    • @johnfanortney7535
      @johnfanortney7535 3 місяці тому

      There are prisons in the nether parts of the stationary plane like prisons in the dungeons of a palace.

    • @thycircle79
      @thycircle79 3 місяці тому

      @@johnfanortney7535 indeed there are, the Lord talks about the "bars" in the book of Job. Grace and peace.

  • @rudypoo4370
    @rudypoo4370 3 місяці тому +2

    Bible (flat) earth since 2015

  • @tonycostanzo4276
    @tonycostanzo4276 3 місяці тому

    every eye shall see him ,thats only possible on a flat earth

    • @cherylcooper1885
      @cherylcooper1885 2 місяці тому

      It’s called cell phones / wireless internet cameras

    • @AWretchedMan
      @AWretchedMan 2 місяці тому

      Lol no everyone will see him no matter if your 10 miles underground in a mine lollll

    • @cherylcooper1885
      @cherylcooper1885 2 місяці тому

      @@AWretchedMan nope, not even close. Bible said you could be on the highest mountain, hidden under a rock, or at the deepest depth of the sea and He will know where to find you.