Thanks - I was quite pleased with how trimming progressed. The only real vice the model showed was spiraling in to the right, the left rudder Gurney flap seems to have mitigated that.
Hello, Very well done model. Could you do a tutorial on covering? Silver is not easy to apply and your covering job is flawless. What grit of sandpaper do you use? I assume you used a glue stick. Thank you
Covering method is pretty traditional. Sand the surfaces with 150 then 220 grit, polish off the sheeted areas with 600 grit. UHU clear glue stick as the tissue adhesive. Tissue on the sheet stab was applied dry, wing and fuselage tissue was applied damp (spritzed with 50/50 rubbing alcohol and water spray). On the wing I tried to get the tissue just snug rather than super-tight in an attempt to minimize warps. After covering wing was re-sprayed with the water/alcohol mix and blocked down to dry straight. Tissue was sealed with Krylon Colormaxx satin Crystal Clear spray. One thing I tried on this model that worked well: it was about 60 deg F when I sprayed the Krylon. Before spraying the model I put the spray can in a bucket of hot tap water for five minutes or so to warm it up - result was a much finer spray out of the can and a lighter coat of clear on the model. Two coats of Krylon applied in this manner added about .4g to the model. The only thing I do different when applying silver Esaki (as opposed to other tissues) is to spritz the shiny side with water/alcohol first, wait 10-15 seconds, then spritz the dull side. This helps keep the tissue from curling up and seems to slightly improve how it shrinks up as it dries. Hope this helps.
Awesome build and flight, Michael! As an FACer, thank you for bringing this unusual subject to my attention. Just got back from having a couple of copies of the plan made, as I am looking forward to this build:) I have two questions, if I might ask: 1.) Were you using a braided motor in the video with that many turns (about 2100 turns or so)? 2.) Did you need to cement the canopy edges together, or did you use tissue strips or something else to anchor them? Thank you very much for any advice you can give.
Hi Barry - the motor is braided about 200 turns before tying the knot. For the canopy, I folded the plastic sheet along the lines shown on the template until it was pretty much in shape, then glued the seams together using Micro Kristal Klear canopy glue. Framing was strips of silver tissue attached with the same canopy glue thinned with a bit of water. BTW, I put about 1/16" washout in both wings - seems to help steady things up in flight. Good luck with your build - let me know how it flies!
do you know of any good instructional videos on how to make these? i got a P-40 and i didn't know it was going to be this big of a project but i really want to build a good one
There's some great video tutorials here: ua-cam.com/play/PLP6c2w2UvGmeX5W-FBP4SbPbPydcHUBzG.html. Also, this book is a great guide: www.amazon.com/Rubber-Powered-Model-Airplanes-Design-Your-Own/dp/0938716190/ref=sr_1_6?crid=1X6J7BV9G559F&keywords=building+and+flying+rubber+model+airplanes&qid=1671836079&sprefix=building+and+flying+rubber+model+airplanes%2Caps%2C105&sr=8-6
Phil's a good guy - the model must have been attracted to his magnetic personality... It's really just my revenge for his Wisp attacking me a few months ago.
Flies long flights, Congrats I`m sixty and flying big one TMG thats touring motor glider. Dut model aircrafts are in my roots. Maybe thats why I know how the trim tab works, unlike many other pilot.
I am very impressed by what you achieved! Great plane indeed, although not selected by the French Air Force for production in 1938. They chose the very poor Morane-Saulnier 405 instead, whose performance were significantly lower. Why? Most probably because the Loire Nieuport factory was suspected of being heavily communist (therefore suspect of potential sabotage) and that Morane Saulnier was very well linked to government officials. Thanks for making this tiny aircraft fly, thinking it could have shaped history quite differently!
Thanks - it's a really beautiful aircraft. There's a nice Ace Whitman plan for a 28" span rubber free flight Nieuport 161 - would like to build that one some day.
Nice! I didn't know y'all were flying last Saturday. I know it was on the schedule but I guess you only send out emails if you aren't going to meet. Looking forward to the next one.
Great LONG flights for that little bird! Very cool!
Never heard of this plane before. Nice job!
God thats beautiful!
Obviously your covering abilities are top notch. Great stuff!
Best cool old models to build and fly! We all did it on Lowell street!
Very nice ship there. Wonderful flying field!
Beautifully built and flown! A real cracker. 🎄🌟👍
Great build and flying Mike! Brings to mind the descriptions on Dave Stott’s plans, “wandering flight pattern”
Very nice model.
Thanks Dave.
That's a special little model, seemed easier to trim than some others
Thanks - I was quite pleased with how trimming progressed. The only real vice the model showed was spiraling in to the right, the left rudder Gurney flap seems to have mitigated that.
Hello, Very well done model. Could you do a tutorial on covering? Silver is not easy to apply and your covering job is flawless. What grit of sandpaper do you use? I assume you used a glue stick. Thank you
I too would love to see the answers to these questions. great model!!!
Covering method is pretty traditional. Sand the surfaces with 150 then 220 grit, polish off the sheeted areas with 600 grit. UHU clear glue stick as the tissue adhesive. Tissue on the sheet stab was applied dry, wing and fuselage tissue was applied damp (spritzed with 50/50 rubbing alcohol and water spray). On the wing I tried to get the tissue just snug rather than super-tight in an attempt to minimize warps. After covering wing was re-sprayed with the water/alcohol mix and blocked down to dry straight. Tissue was sealed with Krylon Colormaxx satin Crystal Clear spray.
One thing I tried on this model that worked well: it was about 60 deg F when I sprayed the Krylon. Before spraying the model I put the spray can in a bucket of hot tap water for five minutes or so to warm it up - result was a much finer spray out of the can and a lighter coat of clear on the model. Two coats of Krylon applied in this manner added about .4g to the model.
The only thing I do different when applying silver Esaki (as opposed to other tissues) is to spritz the shiny side with water/alcohol first, wait 10-15 seconds, then spritz the dull side. This helps keep the tissue from curling up and seems to slightly improve how it shrinks up as it dries.
Hope this helps.
Hi Michael, Thank you very much for sharing your method. I definitely learned some new ways from the way you cover a model.
Great model! I have the plans for it in one of my drawers. Might buy some balsa and build one too.
Do it! Lots of fun for the time invested.
Love it!
Thanks John - it's a hoot!
Awesome build and flight, Michael! As an FACer, thank you for bringing this unusual subject to my attention. Just got back from having a couple of copies of the plan made, as I am looking forward to this build:) I have two questions, if I might ask: 1.) Were you using a braided motor in the video with that many turns (about 2100 turns or so)? 2.) Did you need to cement the canopy edges together, or did you use tissue strips or something else to anchor them? Thank you very much for any advice you can give.
Hi Barry - the motor is braided about 200 turns before tying the knot. For the canopy, I folded the plastic sheet along the lines shown on the template until it was pretty much in shape, then glued the seams together using Micro Kristal Klear canopy glue. Framing was strips of silver tissue attached with the same canopy glue thinned with a bit of water. BTW, I put about 1/16" washout in both wings - seems to help steady things up in flight. Good luck with your build - let me know how it flies!
@@michaelkelly7338 Thank you for all of the tips, Michael:) Also, I enjoy watching the videos that you post!
do you know of any good instructional videos on how to make these? i got a P-40 and i didn't know it was going to be this big of a project but i really want to build a good one
There's some great video tutorials here: ua-cam.com/play/PLP6c2w2UvGmeX5W-FBP4SbPbPydcHUBzG.html. Also, this book is a great guide: www.amazon.com/Rubber-Powered-Model-Airplanes-Design-Your-Own/dp/0938716190/ref=sr_1_6?crid=1X6J7BV9G559F&keywords=building+and+flying+rubber+model+airplanes&qid=1671836079&sprefix=building+and+flying+rubber+model+airplanes%2Caps%2C105&sr=8-6
What was the building material? Balsa?
Yes, balsa covered with tissue.
...it dived on the man in the orange jacket, must be a "Jerry" :-)
Phil's a good guy - the model must have been attracted to his magnetic personality... It's really just my revenge for his Wisp attacking me a few months ago.
Flies long flights, Congrats I`m sixty and flying big one TMG thats touring motor glider. Dut model aircrafts are in my roots. Maybe thats why I know how the trim tab works, unlike many other pilot.
I am very impressed by what you achieved!
Great plane indeed, although not selected by the French Air Force for production in 1938. They chose the very poor Morane-Saulnier 405 instead, whose performance were significantly lower. Why? Most probably because the Loire Nieuport factory was suspected of being heavily communist (therefore suspect of potential sabotage) and that Morane Saulnier was very well linked to government officials.
Thanks for making this tiny aircraft fly, thinking it could have shaped history quite differently!
Thanks - it's a really beautiful aircraft. There's a nice Ace Whitman plan for a 28" span rubber free flight Nieuport 161 - would like to build that one some day.
So tiny!
Nice! I didn't know y'all were flying last Saturday. I know it was on the schedule but I guess you only send out emails if you aren't going to meet. Looking forward to the next one.
Sorry Victor - I just checked the emails I sent out and found I'd somehow dropped your email from the list. I think I've fixed it now...my apologies.
@@michaelkelly7338 No worries. I needed to work anyway. See you soon. Thanks
Love it!