@@AntLeonardi01that I agree but his toxic level is not about “you win because you are bad” but more like complaining about character and the game design as well as just mocking other players
@@waxcutter9813 you walk and block until guile in corner. He’s also playing Juri with a Low fireball that can challenge or force guile to block or jump.
@@waxcutter9813 As a Marisa player, outside of mainly blocking/perfect parry can superman punch over them or use Scutum to not only counter the sonic boom but move closer to Guile.
I wouldn’t hate Leffen if he wasn’t such a prick about everything. He’s so entitled and he created the “life as a streamer is harder than a 9 to 5” and I’m not joking.
Man I just started my first job in construction and I'm not exactly a stranger to hard work, but this job is kicking my ass dude. I'd love to see leffen do this for a day, let alone a full week😂
@atkaschaI don't think it has anything to do with that. we don't know his mind but he gives off the impression of being very unhappy, he gets bent out of shape over everything. sajam once said every leffen tweet is like a despairing letter from a 19th century explorer or someone in a war.
@@Tory-JJ living embodiment of "gun to a fistfight" at high level his combo game is infinite. Got nerfed pretty heavily after a while to being manageable, but still powerfull. Uninterruptible blockstrings, being able to carry you to the wall off any hit, and force you to approach with no downsides a zoner usually has.
for sure home boy brings it on himself, comes to a new game entering a new community and just immediately starts acting arrogant as fuck about it, when he was jumping into tekken he played for like 6 months then youd see him on stream arguing with like VETERAN veteran players about the game like bro you just got here sit down lmao seems like he kinda doing the same thing here
He looks like the type who is only happy when he’s getting attention but then pretends he doesn’t care because he feels that comes off cooler 😂 He looks like he thinks he’s an anime character.
I love how everyone looks at this man and hates him for both his playstyle AND his way of treating other people, just comes to show you that even in any other scene, this dude is still hated.
@@felipecanadulce If Leffen was revolutionizing renewable energy or curing cancer I could totally get over him being an asshole. What's crazy to me is that Leffen plays videogames for a living and can't muster up the strength to be kind. He stopped being a villain the second he took his toxicity outside of the game.
@@SamX.Oit was an indefinite ban, that after 2 or 3 years, turned into a permanent ban, because apart of that ban was that he wasn’t allowed to talk about the ban
Leffen winning with happy chaos was a good thing. Everyone knows it’s broken, he knows it’s broken, his previous character lost to HC free, so might as well switch to the character and prove a point. Now HC should get a nerf, one that’s long overdue.
It is kinda weird, though, because at the point that Snake Eyez won that tournament, he had one of the highest number of hours played in Strive in terms of online level. So yes, I suppose it's so easy to win in these games after you've put more time into them than most other people have. 🤔
@DariusRivers For what some feel like is a mountain to climb others may feel like a walk in the park. True Snake Eyez put alot more time but Leffen got to the lvl to be in the same ring as him. A skill floor is the same regardless of how long it takes someone to get there, if we're at similar levels than it can go other way. The better man of that set was SE
Honestly I'm not sure if you were there back in the day, but he is unironically worse than LTG, and has done all the shit that LTG has done but worse, and he hasn't changed at all, just gotten better at hiding that part of himself and creating plausible deniability to fool people
@@PompousPoggs Because in the Smash community, as long as you are good pressing buttons and share the same opinion as the elite, you can get away with being a piece of shit
I mean leffen is a pro who says scrubquotes quite often especially when he was playing tekken. Hes one of those who if theyre not immediately good at the game he blames the game and not himself. Hes a good player but pretty childish
its why a lot of people hate him, he cant take responsibility for his own play when he loses. Yea hes a good player but come on my guy. take the L and move on
@@atles300nah bro I like leffen, he chats mad shit. And builds notoriety. I feel like he wants to antagonise people as it builds drama in the scene which is good for interest and viewership. Leffen always wants to play the villain.
@@DaRkLoRd-rc5yunah dude leffen is not 'playing the villain', he just says stupid shit, either because that's who he is or he's appealing to that fanbase
He criticized Tekken for its bloat, lack of frame data and TMMSWE later defended him. Alot of Leffen's criticisms about Tekken has been said about the entire Tekken community lol, ppl just hate Leffen so much that even when he makes a valid critique, ppl still hate him.
thats like every fighting game player here lol. snakeeyez will complain on his stream often and have so many reasons why he isnt as good as other players, also he was too scared to go to evo and get bodied
I love how everyone roasting him look like normal people And there's Leffen who looks like he survived a couple years inside a frozen mountain eating microwave pizza
More like anti-hero or rival character in anime. But he does sort of bring that upon himself, both in his personality and playing it up by embracing titles like "Godslayer" in Melee (before two of the gods started to retire due to health issues and another just retired).@@Unchainedful
I was all like "Ah, classic Snake Eyes. CapCom players just be saying ANYTHING. I'd like to see him back up those words." I fucking LOST IT when it cut to him winning a Strive major.
2:10 I completely agree with this. Guile and Zangief are the two major walls in Street Fighter that send most casual or new players packing. Zangief personally took me forever to figure out because he seemed so unstoppable once he got in range.
@waxcutter9813 by taking your time with him and parrying each boom as you get closer. Never play aggressively against a charge character like Guile. Baiting out a Flash kick is also a good counter to him. If he is standing, he can't flash kick. If he is walking forward, he can't sonic boom.
My best tip for beating zoners is to never get frustrated , they are trying to keep u frustrated so u either rush in and try to force an exchange and get punished, or u get beaten back with spam and accept ur fate of getting locked down and chipped to death. U have to be completely zen and play neutral till they get bored, practice ur combo confirms from stray hits and optimise ur burst options. Basicly u either want to develop neutral / defence so strong u weave in and out of their bullet hell while walking them down ,and they end up getting frustrated or stressed., or u develop an extremely strong pressure set up. Specifically against Ken’s fireball dp trap, neutral jump is ur friend, bait the uppercuts but be aware of another light dp on recovery , learn to react to the speed of every fire ball thrown , just because the last 8 are slow dosnt mean 9 won’t be fast.variations in fireball speed is how u mix up and condition the person trying to get in .
@@ParisPKbest advice is play the slow game because someone is going to get impatient eventually. If you control the pace of the game and just stay patient theyll try to get aggressive. Im a Gief main lol zoners are the least of my worries. The rushdown characters are the scariest especially when mfs jump like maniacs.
Its amazing to see the fgc dog on Leffen. He has done so much shit to the smash community who takes him in with a warm hug whenever he releases a twitlonger that is actually refreshing to see people with common sense talkin bout him
It's a good thing that Leffen dropped Tekken when he was playing Kazumi because it just shows that you can't shortcut your way to success in that game, and apparently here too in this instance of SF6
@MikoYotsuya292 yeah he did, competition is nowhere near as stiff as sf or tekken, and happy chaos is one of the most broken characters in any fighting game
@@MikoYotsuya292bro strive is a fuckin kusoge, what are u smokin? the only reason its in the main evo lineup is bc its the best selling anime fighter that isnt dbfz. it got offset by melty blood, which is less popular but its actually balanced and fun to watch.
Like this is funny but don't forget leffen conspired to lie about another smash player and ruined the dude's life for a time. Received no consequences.
I feel kinda bad for the GG community. Used to be known as one of the most high skill fighting game series and now people from other games are coming into strive and cleaning house
To be fair to Luffen, he was grinding out GGST and attending tournaments since day one (including EVO 2021 Online victory as Chipp), so he's not exactly an "outsider" to GG scene. I don't like the dude, but his dedication to the game is genuine.
@@enzogonzalez7140 anime fighters like strive have rarely ever been actually difficult, they've always had outsiders come in and smoke the easier subgenre
This video is making it look like Snake Eyez doesn't play Strive. Before the release of SF6, he was playing Strive all the time. It wasn't as if he just picked up the game to prove a point.
My favorite part of the reaction to Leffen's EVO win this year is that you can't even fully blame it on him playing HC because people were way more excited about Umisho winning the prior year.
I don’t mind dunking on Leffen when he’s being a prick - which to be fair is often - but damn when when he’s just existing. Especially the comments about his looks. Out of pocket imo.
I was really happy when snake eyes came out to play strive in texas showdown. I love seeing players from other games come and do well, especially with underused characters. Snake eyes especially is super sick, seeing him pop out of nowhere in Super turbo HD remix was awesome. It's trash though, that him doing well is used as a bludgeon against the game. It couldn't be because of matchup unfamiliarity, it's not because snake eyes is a fucking GOD, no, it's that Street fighter is just so much more skillful then strive. What a cancer take.
Yeah so much of the stuff in this video is pretty disrespectful towards strive, I thought we left all of this street fighter supremacy stuff back in sf4
i wanna see some streetfighter players hop on tekken 7 and do some first to 10s or something lol this video is probably the worst of it partially because leffen is the canon fodder but the vibe im getting is that street fighter players think they have some secret knowledge thats hidden behind playing street fighter for 10+ years XD
I love how pure and straight-forward his take on competition is. It's in direct contradiction with everything else that constitutes who and what he is as a man and professional fighting game player. A truly fascinating dichotomy.
I play GG Strive and the pros there aren't pro good compared to fighting games like SF, Tekken, KOF etc. It's just that there are barely any good players who take those games seriously. That's the case for most anime games. JimmyJTran who's a Tekken player just casually registered for UNIST at Evo and made top 3, and he didn't even mean to do that lol.
So I really don't like Leffen. I think he, as an individual, does not deserve respect. However, I do find some of this to be gatekeepy. People can play any and every fighting game and work towards success in all of them. Sure, gg and sf dont have a lot of overlap at the highest level. And sure, they are objectively very different. I'd even be willing to admit sf6 has more polish, especially at launch, then ggst. However, I do not think that makes a sf player better than a gg player.
Why are these guys bashing him for playing cheap shit, 90% of the pros play the cheap shit. It's also foolish to bash this guy by assuming he can't adapt to the street fighter style of play. There's a good chance he can. I mean he was good at DBFZ and Strive, 2 games that were no where similar to Smash. What a bunch of crap.
@@exorder2005 people saying that new players can't adapt isn't new to SF to be fair, but it's just that SF is a franchise with a LOT more legacy players with a big following that it's not surprising a lot of loud toxic voices will talk shit on newcomers. Yeah, it's completely unfounded, and if Leffen enjoys SF6 I hope he gets to shut them up, but it's not a unique problem to SF
I think it has less to do with the competition and more to do with the skill set being different. leffen is a lab monster who can run his game plan better than anyone, but he can't play footsies. the fact that he leaves a game and calls it trash if he isn't godlike right away doesn't help, this is a guy who dropped cammy right away bc people were initially calling her mid and she wasn't degenerate enough. but I'd say it was a smarter decision to stick with strive and win evo than be mid juri player #17377
@@QGfk1 im sorry man but you can’t tell me leffen can’t play footsies when I watched him play melee for years. They’re different games and the neutral is different. He preforms better than 99% of players that’s why he’s an Evo champ for multiple games. Just because he’s not good at street fighter doesn’t warrant this amount of hate. If you don’t like the characters he plays that’s fine but why attack his skin care?
Some of these comments are just hate on the fighting games he plays which is just pure elitism I understand y’all haters think street fighter is the best fighting game but it don’t take away from games like DBZ teller and guilty gear just because you can’t deal with 6P.
@@Chocolatebeeefleffen devotes alot of time to his games. those bring melee and strive. hes now won majors and huge tourneys for both or got 2nd consistently. do ppl rlly think he cant get atleast top 16 consistently in sf6 if he had the same time to to delve into it? its weird. he may not be a proven “goat adapter at fgs” like punk or sonic, but hes closer to that than most the niggas talkin in the video if i had to assume
@@trashiemoviestarnah he not getting top 16 consistently for at least 2-3 years. He didn't even need a year to win a evo in strive. Completely different competition
0:21 "Mash 6P with Happy Chaos." I also find it funny that when "Pro" players see zoning and other shit like that, they justify it and tell the person dealing with it that theyre the problem and need to find a way around it, but when its leffen doing it, they ridicule him for it.
I think this is because… most of the strive playerbase is newer, and hasn’t been playing fg’s for as long. You don’t really see those OLD school GG players playing strive. If they were, the skill gap might have been smaller.
As much as I hate leffen, this comment is no bueno: 1. People from other games trying your game is a good thing, gatekeeping is weird as hell 2. Leffen was pretty decent at Fighter Z too 3. Even in GG, he's playing the same game as everyone else. It's not his fault the game is balanced like shit There's plenty to dunk on leffen about, but idk about this
Of course man, it’s real hard to compete in a melee tournament when you aren’t used to the smell of a venue full of autistic pedophiles who haven’t showered in years.
Not only did this mother fucker try to pick up Tekken, but he got a BUNCH of help. I mean a LOT. Then after getting whooped while cheesing his way with Zafina, this mother fucker betrayed the people who helped him. After, they came in and whooped his ass for free and he never went back. That's why he plays STRIVE. Cause the game is designed for creeps like him that never wanted to learn a series that no longer even remotely plays like how it use to be.
The only guy with a good take on the video is Punk, the rest just sound really salty talking about characters and tiers when HC won evo last year and nobody gave a shit. Its funny how its always the mediocre pro players that talk the most shit.
Maybe because the guy who won last year wasn't a toxic pos like leffen? You know. Relevant information you leave out of your "argument". And LOL Snake Eyez and Punk mediocre? Bruh, you saltier than the ocean and just exposed it.
So people are saying that Leffen. Somebody that has been playing other games isn’t that good in street fighter, the game he plays the least when competing with people that play that shut full time.
@@szymonmirek6389 I doubt that he "grinded" that much considering he grinds GG strive....ya know because he's a GG strive top player so I still agree with the OP. If he actually grinded SF6 like Riddles then I think he'd do alot better. I think trying to downplay his skill at this point is getting silly right brother. He's a 2 time Evo GG Strive champion and a 3rd place runner up, he did well in DBZ fighters before he dropped it. It's time to stop with downplaying his skill, you can hate him all you want, dude is extremely cringe and annoying at times but his skill in fighting games is commendable.
the fuck do you mean? no one was applauding his victories in melee because that shit wasn’t earned. all the real competition, that is to say the melee gods, moved on to other shit like raising families. leffen has always been lame
@@logandunlap9156 leffen beat every single one of the gods, and every player he played in his later years was better than the gods, and he still generally does well on his sparse attendance don't speak about things you don't even know man. which of the gods retired while leffen was at his peak? PPMD? much worse player than leffen
Snake Eyez sounds like a total hater but he's properly intuited that Leffen is indeed kind of a scumbag. He's probably not even aware of how Leffen has been saying shit that's out-of-pocket and making himself a pariah in the Smash scene for ages. idk if his behavior has been bad recently, but I know he's been considered controversial since like the pre-Smash 4 years.
leffen deserves it though, he might possibly have the most devoted fans for absolutely no reason if you spend 10 min checking the shit he's done. trash person deserves getting trashed. also a happy chaos player on top of it.
It's a little strange cause sajam dunked on snake eyez for saying dumb shit like SF players are so much better than players in any other fighting games during the sf4. Looks like he is regurgitating the same shit from 10 years ago 😞
Its fun to joke about leffen, But he legit caused serious damage to the smash community. Leffen + Reddit may have actually unironically destroyed the smash community.
Lies... 1:13 Snake had been playing and planning to compete using Potemkin at Texas Showdown for months, at least. He also said he was done with Strive after Texas Showdown a month before it happened. (He realized arcs systems or whatever intentionally made it so that when you press forward and back too fast, you get back dash. He went through all the games they touched and found that) Not a whim. He was playing Strive every stream in that time. Not a whim.
They act like GG is his only game. Winning LACS for melee and EVO for GG in the same year is absurd. Street fighter is low priority for him so I don’t know why they act like he should be embarrassed for losing. And for the record, I don’t even like Leffen.
Smash. Brothers. Is. Not. A. Real. Fighter. Or. A. Competitive. Game. At. All. Why even bring that up like its a bona fide? That's like bragging you're really good at pin the tail on the donkey🤣
@@OberynTheRedViperBruh don't insult Pin The Tail like that 😭 that game takes real skill! Poor Leffen plays Pin The Tail while looking in a mirror. Guess that's why his face be like that.
@@OberynTheRedViper I find it funny people say Melee isn't a competitive game when It's had 20+ years of competitive honing and a larger player base than most fighting games. It's like if half of SF players stayed playing SF2 and kept grinding till today.
@@anotherinternetperson8495 Try it? I play both, play smash way longer than SF, I'm diamond on SF6 (my first SF game) and get shit on in smash and I'm quite decent tbh
I play both, Smash is not close to as easy as you think it is. A good smash player will wash your ass before you get out of character select.@@anotherinternetperson8495
That wasn't the point of including that clip, the point was, Leffen couldn't even win a Texas showdown level event in SF6, at least snake could get a small W in Strive. With Pot no less. Leffen went to headstomper 2023 for SF6, Swedish tournament, 200 player bracket, no SF player of note attended, tierwhored with Juri Han, and STILL got washed.
@@Hxnsson It wasn't very clear in the video and the way it was edited tbh, Melee is just much of a timesink as SF6 so it makes sense leffen would not have results there, it also felt that you wanted to display that there's a sentiment among the FGC that games that are not SF6 and Tekken are just inherently easier or less competitive, which is harmful towards those games and unfair towards anime fighters like strive, remember that on its day during the pandemic strive carried the FGC while sf5 and tekken were both a netcode and release cycle nightmare.
You really really did your best to edit Snake out of context to make him sound like a hater when he was actually dissaproving of people booing him off the stage. On the acne thing, yeah he did that, but he clowns on people all the time, even Punk.
There's is no effort on my part to make Snake seem like a hater. He was mostly reading messages in chat, which i tried to convey by writing "CHAT:" followed by whatever they said like at 5:57 so that viewers know it wasn't snake himself that said it. He definitely didn't disagree with their messages most of the time, which is fine, he doesn't dislike leffen for no reason. Leffen has a very toxic history and has tried to discredit snakes wins in the past. Even if snake was a hater it would be kinda justified, but yeah, he's not.
Anyone want to elaborate on Leffen "toxic" history? Because so far I only get vague answers about him throwing groomer allegations against another Smash Bros player and getting Zero (who is confirmed to be a groomer) to almost take his existence away from himself unalive himself m outside of that it's also just "he is toxic, he is mean etc etc" ._.
Bruh that snake eyes clip. Jesus that was brutal and I love it. Calling the games Leffen plays "easy" is one thing but then going out and proving your point is insane. However I would love to see him do that with melee. I think it would be a little different.
I will say It definitely does feel like certain scenes have WAY more competitive players that makes winning big tournaments much more of a real challenge and a bigger achievement compared to others. I think its also a big reason why it took so long for someone like even Sonic Fox to really start getting actual respect because he had to play other games that aren't just NRS games before people actually started to see him as a genuinely a great player. In a lot of ways if you aren't in either Street Fighter, Tekken, or Melee then you're almost a second rate citizen even if you're great at what you do
I don't think anyone called smash toxic lol. Everyone calls it soy and full of pedos. No disrespect to individual players because I know like half of smash is really cool, and the game is hard and skillful. But the community is cringe. That's the perception. Not toxic.
It's funny to watch Leffen against Guile. He's sitting there thinking "Shit, this is what I do to people with Happy Chaos?"
Man leffen playing happy chaos feel so in character for him
He’s nowhere near as bad as DSP or LTG
@@AntLeonardi01that I agree but his toxic level is not about “you win because you are bad” but more like complaining about character and the game design as well as just mocking other players
@@waxcutter9813 you walk and block until guile in corner. He’s also playing Juri with a Low fireball that can challenge or force guile to block or jump.
@@waxcutter9813 As a Marisa player, outside of mainly blocking/perfect parry can superman punch over them or use Scutum to not only counter the sonic boom but move closer to Guile.
I wouldn’t hate Leffen if he wasn’t such a prick about everything. He’s so entitled and he created the “life as a streamer is harder than a 9 to 5” and I’m not joking.
Man I just started my first job in construction and I'm not exactly a stranger to hard work, but this job is kicking my ass dude. I'd love to see leffen do this for a day, let alone a full week😂
@@theboognishbuddy3895he would call the job "cheese based" and the working class "toxic"
Someone has to take the heel role
Fun fact: When Leffen won EVO, the camera panned to the audience and no one was smiling
He should’ve put his finger over his mouth like MJ 😅
The crowd actually went mild it was so perfect
@@superbones5000 do you have a video? I can’t find anything to back up your claims
@@hands-ongaming7180maybe twitch? Idk if evo saves its vods but it did happen for sure
@@hands-ongaming7180ua-cam.com/video/CL3UWyuLwaQ/v-deo.htmlm55s
Leffen gonna call for a sonic boom limit
💀
Based
"You cant do booms thats cheating!"
"I only have 2 special moves--"
"I SAID NO BOOMS!!"
😂😂😂
Leffen is the answer to the question "What if DSP actually was good at a game, but still had the same personality?"
Or LTG. Leffen can say some heinous shit and get away with far more than LTG can.
Ackackackackackackack
Lmao he's cold
@soki3005wasnt dsp a top sf player back then
@soki3005 You can learn a lot about a person's true self when they lose. When Leffen loses (or just doesn't get free wins), he goes full DSP.
This man Leffen don't even look happy with himself.
@atkaschaI don't think it has anything to do with that. we don't know his mind but he gives off the impression of being very unhappy, he gets bent out of shape over everything. sajam once said every leffen tweet is like a despairing letter from a 19th century explorer or someone in a war.
@atkaschathat definitely has nothing to do with winning but how are you winning. Gross to win? Makes no sense to me whatsoever.
Its hard to be happy when you have no friends
Because he don't know if he is a girl or a boy
@@QGfk1that’s a perfect description lol
Leffen getting the Chillindude treatment from Akainu was poetic justice lol
Just needed him to go, "My b," when he was getting interviewed. Ha ha ha!
What'd Leffen do to get a Fleet Admiral on his ass? (j/k)
@@writinggoose6059he played happy chaos, even for celestial dragons that's a step too far
@dmitrisemenoff6455 what is happy chaos, explain for someone not watching it all?
@@Tory-JJ living embodiment of "gun to a fistfight" at high level his combo game is infinite. Got nerfed pretty heavily after a while to being manageable, but still powerfull. Uninterruptible blockstrings, being able to carry you to the wall off any hit, and force you to approach with no downsides a zoner usually has.
Leffen is one of those people who's earned everything he's gotten, both good and ill.
😂
fucking facts
for sure home boy brings it on himself, comes to a new game entering a new community and just immediately starts acting arrogant as fuck about it, when he was jumping into tekken he played for like 6 months then youd see him on stream arguing with like VETERAN veteran players about the game like bro you just got here sit down lmao seems like he kinda doing the same thing here
It's called "shutting up the home crowd"
THIS
Leffen looks like xqc version of fighting games
acts like it too
@@JayDayKayat least when xqc malds it’s funny, Leffen just looks depressed
At least xqc is likeable to some degree
wochatidunknowhowtudealwitdisspamischeating
He's really not. He's another punchable face just like Leffen@@ZaWrldo
He looks like the type who is only happy when he’s getting attention but then pretends he doesn’t care because he feels that comes off cooler 😂 He looks like he thinks he’s an anime character.
He is amine protag
@@KyleTBelmontmore like a mc rival
dude that cringe ass pose he was doing when the stage doors opened. Yeeeeesh
are you describid snake eyes or punk right now?
@@arthurgadelha9430 leffen…
I love how everyone looks at this man and hates him for both his playstyle AND his way of treating other people, just comes to show you that even in any other scene, this dude is still hated.
Everyone is an overstatement.
I love LEFF
@@plasticbudgie I’m sorry to hear that
@@plasticbudgie air time limit lol
@@felipecanadulce If Leffen was revolutionizing renewable energy or curing cancer I could totally get over him being an asshole. What's crazy to me is that Leffen plays videogames for a living and can't muster up the strength to be kind. He stopped being a villain the second he took his toxicity outside of the game.
@@plasticbudgie I feel so bad for you.
Its honestly amazing seeing leffen just get dunked on by other fgc's, as a melee fan.
If melee was sane they would have just banned him, but no instead they banned hax for calling him out
@@dukecherry5169they banned him for a year tho
As a fan of both of FGC and Melee, this is the funniest irl crossover
@@dukecherry5169This the same community that let's pedos Scott free are you surprised they let that man in when he's done way worse
@@SamX.Oit was an indefinite ban, that after 2 or 3 years, turned into a permanent ban, because apart of that ban was that he wasn’t allowed to talk about the ban
Snake eyez hates leffen so much even his hair line don’t wanna b near him 💀
Booo that shit was wack af and dont make sense
Where y’all get this goofy stuff from? That joke was dog 💩
Lol
lmfaoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
@@icyhot5587 Lol, someone's feelings are hurt😂
Leffen winning with happy chaos was a good thing. Everyone knows it’s broken, he knows it’s broken, his previous character lost to HC free, so might as well switch to the character and prove a point. Now HC should get a nerf, one that’s long overdue.
Imean arc sys has a history of having questionable balance patches so i wont be surprised if they dont nerf him
They nerfed him some already it just wasn't enough so he's getting a handful next patch I belive
Good luck on that one. Arcsys likes to nerf top tier characters into the top tier.
Strive is just a garbage game tbh
@@Johngreggor99 he’s already confirmed to be nerfed, plus the system changes hurt his pressure a lot more than most chars
Kudos to Snake Eyes for backing it up.
It is kinda weird, though, because at the point that Snake Eyez won that tournament, he had one of the highest number of hours played in Strive in terms of online level. So yes, I suppose it's so easy to win in these games after you've put more time into them than most other people have. 🤔
Cause Texas showdown is on the same level as evo, right? Not a single person from the evo top 8 even participated.
@@DariusRiversit's "easy" looool
they were scared. @@bencegergohocz5988
@DariusRivers For what some feel like is a mountain to climb others may feel like a walk in the park. True Snake Eyez put alot more time but Leffen got to the lvl to be in the same ring as him. A skill floor is the same regardless of how long it takes someone to get there, if we're at similar levels than it can go other way. The better man of that set was SE
I used to hate Leffen back when he was playing melee. He deserves every ounce of criticism he’s ever gotten and will get.
Agreed. It's relieving to hear the fgc criticize him. I don't understand why there were not more Melee players giving him shit.
I heard someone once defend his behavior by saying "There has to be a villain in everything" that's his entire personality, a villain. A piece of crap
Honestly I'm not sure if you were there back in the day, but he is unironically worse than LTG, and has done all the shit that LTG has done but worse, and he hasn't changed at all, just gotten better at hiding that part of himself and creating plausible deniability to fool people
@@PompousPoggspeople were tired of giving him shit lmao
@@PompousPoggs Because in the Smash community, as long as you are good pressing buttons and share the same opinion as the elite, you can get away with being a piece of shit
I mean leffen is a pro who says scrubquotes quite often especially when he was playing tekken. Hes one of those who if theyre not immediately good at the game he blames the game and not himself. Hes a good player but pretty childish
its why a lot of people hate him, he cant take responsibility for his own play when he loses. Yea hes a good player but come on my guy. take the L and move on
@@atles300nah bro I like leffen, he chats mad shit. And builds notoriety. I feel like he wants to antagonise people as it builds drama in the scene which is good for interest and viewership. Leffen always wants to play the villain.
@@DaRkLoRd-rc5yunah dude leffen is not 'playing the villain', he just says stupid shit, either because that's who he is or he's appealing to that fanbase
He criticized Tekken for its bloat, lack of frame data and TMMSWE later defended him. Alot of Leffen's criticisms about Tekken has been said about the entire Tekken community lol, ppl just hate Leffen so much that even when he makes a valid critique, ppl still hate him.
thats like every fighting game player here lol. snakeeyez will complain on his stream often and have so many reasons why he isnt as good as other players, also he was too scared to go to evo and get bodied
Leffen wasn't able to complete the combo tutorial in GG Xrd iirc.
Pretty sure it was the Johnny trials ye
He was straight up bitching about basic ass dust combos
I love how everyone roasting him look like normal people
And there's Leffen who looks like he survived a couple years inside a frozen mountain eating microwave pizza
Funnily enough, a lot of people just says he looks like a typical anime protagonist lol.
Bruh 😂🤣😂🤣😂💀💀
More like anti-hero or rival character in anime. But he does sort of bring that upon himself, both in his personality and playing it up by embracing titles like "Godslayer" in Melee (before two of the gods started to retire due to health issues and another just retired).@@Unchainedful
@@Unchainedfulwho tf says that???
@@Unchainedful And the acne doesn't help his case at all lol. I never knew he could look as sick as this before this tourney.
Snake Eyez is godlike, but that tournament he won had nowhere near the level of competition EVO had.
Texas showdown still brings in some very strong players.
@@judsonowens1304 The second strongest player at that tourney was LordKnight lol
@@judsonowens1304 not to the level evo does lmao that's the point.
I'mma be real. I just despise Leffen, as a person.
@@arachnofiend2859
Nothing really comes close to EVO, so you can say that for any tournament, no?@@Vexinz
I was all like "Ah, classic Snake Eyes. CapCom players just be saying ANYTHING. I'd like to see him back up those words."
I fucking LOST IT when it cut to him winning a Strive major.
WITH THE WORST CHARACTER IN THE GAME LOOOL
for real dude I was like "so do it then?" then bam. not to discredit strive players but damn maybe he's on to sum lmaoo
@@ViewtifulFGCWho's the worst character?
@@Akodakun it was potemkin at the time he won the tournament
Dude there was basically no top players at that tournament lmao
Snake is one of the few players who can backup trash talk with concrete results.
"concrete results" dude got 1st at a free strive tourney lol...
Kappa
@@doberman_hund yes... exactly... that was literally his point lmao
You also have to be a huge pos for snake to even want to talk trash. I've only ever seen him dump on ltg and leffen.
@@shmixedNshmoovedDude the other best player at that tournament was fucking lordknight💀
2:10 I completely agree with this. Guile and Zangief are the two major walls in Street Fighter that send most casual or new players packing. Zangief personally took me forever to figure out because he seemed so unstoppable once he got in range.
@waxcutter9813 by taking your time with him and parrying each boom as you get closer. Never play aggressively against a charge character like Guile. Baiting out a Flash kick is also a good counter to him. If he is standing, he can't flash kick. If he is walking forward, he can't sonic boom.
Any tips against a zoner? I’m new to street fighter and I’m having the time of my life but Ken was spamming fireballs and uppercuts
My best tip for beating zoners is to never get frustrated , they are trying to keep u frustrated so u either rush in and try to force an exchange and get punished, or u get beaten back with spam and accept ur fate of getting locked down and chipped to death. U have to be completely zen and play neutral till they get bored, practice ur combo confirms from stray hits and optimise ur burst options. Basicly u either want to develop neutral / defence so strong u weave in and out of their bullet hell while walking them down ,and they end up getting frustrated or stressed., or u develop an extremely strong pressure set up. Specifically against Ken’s fireball dp trap, neutral jump is ur friend, bait the uppercuts but be aware of another light dp on recovery , learn to react to the speed of every fire ball thrown , just because the last 8 are slow dosnt mean 9 won’t be fast.variations in fireball speed is how u mix up and condition the person trying to get in .
@@ParisPKbest advice is play the slow game because someone is going to get impatient eventually. If you control the pace of the game and just stay patient theyll try to get aggressive. Im a Gief main lol zoners are the least of my worries. The rushdown characters are the scariest especially when mfs jump like maniacs.
Its amazing to see the fgc dog on Leffen. He has done so much shit to the smash community who takes him in with a warm hug whenever he releases a twitlonger that is actually refreshing to see people with common sense talkin bout him
That's only a subsect of the melee crowd. Everyone else has similar attitudes towards him.
Yeah... Saying the smash community likes leffen is very far away from the truth
Nah he gets treated pretty much the same everywhere because he acts the same everywhere.
@@BxcarsEveryone in the smash community sided with him over the whole haxx thing
@@KingOfDarknessAndEvilnot everyone man. The ones that did just had platforms like being TO's hence the banning of hax for no reason.
It's a good thing that Leffen dropped Tekken when he was playing Kazumi because it just shows that you can't shortcut your way to success in that game, and apparently here too in this instance of SF6
True. Tekken and SF are way too stacked with hungry and talented players.
So you're saying that you can shortcut your winning Evo in GGST? stop the cope man... give credit where credit is due.
@@MikoYotsuya292 yes happy chaos is broken
@MikoYotsuya292 yeah he did, competition is nowhere near as stiff as sf or tekken, and happy chaos is one of the most broken characters in any fighting game
@@MikoYotsuya292bro strive is a fuckin kusoge, what are u smokin? the only reason its in the main evo lineup is bc its the best selling anime fighter that isnt dbfz. it got offset by melty blood, which is less popular but its actually balanced and fun to watch.
Like this is funny but don't forget leffen conspired to lie about another smash player and ruined the dude's life for a time. Received no consequences.
Mew2king?
@@dickthebirthdayboy2132no. Hax
What was the lie?
@@Ice-pe6vi
That he is a pedo, sexual abuser or something forgot the details
@@Ice-pe6vihax situation
As someone who grew up playing smash from 2015-2019, this makes me sooo happy
I feel kinda bad for the GG community. Used to be known as one of the most high skill fighting game series and now people from other games are coming into strive and cleaning house
To be fair to Luffen, he was grinding out GGST and attending tournaments since day one (including EVO 2021 Online victory as Chipp), so he's not exactly an "outsider" to GG scene. I don't like the dude, but his dedication to the game is genuine.
Thats strive alright. They made everything easier and created some bullshit characters like happy chaos
@@enzogonzalez7140 anime fighters like strive have rarely ever been actually difficult, they've always had outsiders come in and smoke the easier subgenre
@@tobywessling1282 I'm curious in examples now
Strive is the Brawl of the Guilty Gear franchise.
I prefer when Japanese players win, they're much more humble and if they say something, I usually don't understand it.
That shit is boring bruh. You might as well just watch a bunch of bots play at that point
@@TAGkaihe like watching robots
@@TAGkaiThere's entertaining gameplay tho. I love to see how a player from another country play
Thing vs thing:japan
@@TAGkaione name. Daigo
This video is making it look like Snake Eyez doesn't play Strive. Before the release of SF6, he was playing Strive all the time. It wasn't as if he just picked up the game to prove a point.
Snake saying *slurp* glizzy! Was something I didn't know I needed until now
My favorite part of the reaction to Leffen's EVO win this year is that you can't even fully blame it on him playing HC because people were way more excited about Umisho winning the prior year.
I don’t mind dunking on Leffen when he’s being a prick - which to be fair is often - but damn when when he’s just existing. Especially the comments about his looks. Out of pocket imo.
I didnt know Leffen got this much hate outside of Smash that's wild
Deserved tho
In smash too
You think he goes outside the Smash community and acts different?
Only reason I still can stand Punk is his funny voice that somehow is not irritating
?? why they got so much punk slander? lmao he's chill af.
His voice is od
I think Punk is hilarious af
Punk is a top tier player, but at times he can be pretty cringe too 😂😂
Come own neow
I was really happy when snake eyes came out to play strive in texas showdown. I love seeing players from other games come and do well, especially with underused characters. Snake eyes especially is super sick, seeing him pop out of nowhere in Super turbo HD remix was awesome.
It's trash though, that him doing well is used as a bludgeon against the game. It couldn't be because of matchup unfamiliarity, it's not because snake eyes is a fucking GOD, no, it's that Street fighter is just so much more skillful then strive. What a cancer take.
What do you mean? They're both "grounded footsie fighting games". /s
Yeah so much of the stuff in this video is pretty disrespectful towards strive, I thought we left all of this street fighter supremacy stuff back in sf4
@@notmyfullname598strive is ass, cry about it. They can not even be compared
i wanna see some streetfighter players hop on tekken 7 and do some first to 10s or something lol this video is probably the worst of it partially because leffen is the canon fodder but the vibe im getting is that street fighter players think they have some secret knowledge thats hidden behind playing street fighter for 10+ years XD
@@twentytwenty8653 if I'm being honest I got that vibe from some Tekken players too, make the elitists from both games fight
I liked when Leffen was talking shit about Tekken but couldn't get passed mid ranks.
Punk is so unintentionally funny lmao
it's his duck voice, everything sounds funnier
Hes such an idiot it's hilarious
how is it 2023 and we STILL have people saying SF players are more skilled than players of other games.
Great video lmao that punk roast is some classic shit. Shouts out to Kami and Dragon Eyez too.
He scratched his head when she said he was good at sf
I mean he is good at sf not as good as she was saying but he would smash most above avg players
This is pretty hard on leffen and i want to be fair to the guy because he gets a lot of hate.
It wasnt nearly hard enough on him.
Reminder Leffen lied about other players in the Smash community to obliterate their lives.
Lied about some pedophile, who cares
@@DriscosWorldmore than one dude, like 10+ people
I love how pure and straight-forward his take on competition is.
It's in direct contradiction with everything else that constitutes who and what he is as a man and professional fighting game player.
A truly fascinating dichotomy.
I didn’t hear anyone hating on Leff all I heard was facts 😂
"I CAN'T CANCEL MY WHIFF BUTTON INTO GUNSHOT"
Goddamn Punk lol
An L for Leffen is a W for the world
It’s funny every statement made is true
Coming from melee here, he’s now your problem. PLEASE keep him 🙏 💀
I play GG Strive and the pros there aren't pro good compared to fighting games like SF, Tekken, KOF etc. It's just that there are barely any good players who take those games seriously. That's the case for most anime games. JimmyJTran who's a Tekken player just casually registered for UNIST at Evo and made top 3, and he didn't even mean to do that lol.
So I really don't like Leffen. I think he, as an individual, does not deserve respect. However, I do find some of this to be gatekeepy. People can play any and every fighting game and work towards success in all of them. Sure, gg and sf dont have a lot of overlap at the highest level. And sure, they are objectively very different. I'd even be willing to admit sf6 has more polish, especially at launch, then ggst. However, I do not think that makes a sf player better than a gg player.
Radically different games, even within GG series Strive is very different game than the others.
Pretty much this. I don’t like leffen’s personality whatsoever, but all the takes in this video are just as pathetic as the whining he does.
Dipshits
@@HieronymousLexAh yes, "whining".
@@WeldonSirloindick in ur goup cough it up
After everything Leffen has done, any Ls from him are Ws.
6:42 whats the name of that song? The lyrics are Westside Gunn from 2 stings but the beats if completely different
One of the few moments I actually agree with Punk's trashtalking.
I get not liking someone and feeling like they shouldn't be at certain events, but the insults about his appearance are just juvenile.
Why are these guys bashing him for playing cheap shit, 90% of the pros play the cheap shit. It's also foolish to bash this guy by assuming he can't adapt to the street fighter style of play. There's a good chance he can. I mean he was good at DBFZ and Strive, 2 games that were no where similar to Smash. What a bunch of crap.
Op isn't familiar with the grass roots style of the fgc. That's sad.
@@exorder2005 people saying that new players can't adapt isn't new to SF to be fair, but it's just that SF is a franchise with a LOT more legacy players with a big following that it's not surprising a lot of loud toxic voices will talk shit on newcomers.
Yeah, it's completely unfounded, and if Leffen enjoys SF6 I hope he gets to shut them up, but it's not a unique problem to SF
@@exorder2005He would rather complain about the game than adapt. He was shitting on the whole Tekken community because he was losing in 7.
@exorder2005 is because he slandered others for playing what to him was at the time, cheap shit
Its really funny seeing Leffen basically going from a smash underdog to heel. Its like an evil anime arc with examples i cant recall
5:02 - LOL that transition 😂
This should be added to a most satisfying videos compilation.
Well in they defense, it’s Leffen.
He’s like the Leafy of gaming.
Even if I didn't dislike Leffen, he's swedish and I'm finnish so I hate him by default.
i love finnish people now
Finally a real reason to hate him
Leffen also couldn't play Tekken.
I love snakes gameplay but I can’t call Leffen illegitimate because he has skill but he’s not ready for that SF6 competition.
I think it has less to do with the competition and more to do with the skill set being different. leffen is a lab monster who can run his game plan better than anyone, but he can't play footsies. the fact that he leaves a game and calls it trash if he isn't godlike right away doesn't help, this is a guy who dropped cammy right away bc people were initially calling her mid and she wasn't degenerate enough. but I'd say it was a smarter decision to stick with strive and win evo than be mid juri player #17377
@@QGfk1 im sorry man but you can’t tell me leffen can’t play footsies when I watched him play melee for years. They’re different games and the neutral is different. He preforms better than 99% of players that’s why he’s an Evo champ for multiple games. Just because he’s not good at street fighter doesn’t warrant this amount of hate. If you don’t like the characters he plays that’s fine but why attack his skin care?
Some of these comments are just hate on the fighting games he plays which is just pure elitism I understand y’all haters think street fighter is the best fighting game but it don’t take away from games like DBZ teller and guilty gear just because you can’t deal with 6P.
@@Chocolatebeeefleffen devotes alot of time to his games. those bring melee and strive. hes now won majors and huge tourneys for both or got 2nd consistently. do ppl rlly think he cant get atleast top 16 consistently in sf6 if he had the same time to to delve into it? its weird. he may not be a proven “goat adapter at fgs” like punk or sonic, but hes closer to that than most the niggas talkin in the video if i had to assume
@@trashiemoviestarnah he not getting top 16 consistently for at least 2-3 years. He didn't even need a year to win a evo in strive. Completely different competition
LOL that beginning segment is the funniest I've ever seen punk 😂😂😂 I think I need to start watching his stream lol
the vid was already great enough but the westside outro made it goated
Watching people hate Leffen is beautiful.
Leffen hate WILL be tolerated
0:21 "Mash 6P with Happy Chaos."
I also find it funny that when "Pro" players see zoning and other shit like that, they justify it and tell the person dealing with it that theyre the problem and need to find a way around it, but when its leffen doing it, they ridicule him for it.
"Guilty Gear players arent as strong as Street Fighter players" aw hell nah bruh tryna start a war😭
I think this is because… most of the strive playerbase is newer, and hasn’t been playing fg’s for as long.
You don’t really see those OLD school GG players playing strive.
If they were, the skill gap might have been smaller.
its not hate, his happy chaos run in strive was easily the worst looking grand finals of any gg game.
when are we as the smash community gonna learn that being good at smash doesn’t mean we know shit about other games bro, this shit is embarrassing
As much as I hate leffen, this comment is no bueno:
1. People from other games trying your game is a good thing, gatekeeping is weird as hell
2. Leffen was pretty decent at Fighter Z too
3. Even in GG, he's playing the same game as everyone else. It's not his fault the game is balanced like shit
There's plenty to dunk on leffen about, but idk about this
Some games take more time to get good at. We know Punk and Snake Eyes would struggle more with Smash Melee than Leffen has been with SF6
Of course man, it’s real hard to compete in a melee tournament when you aren’t used to the smell of a venue full of autistic pedophiles who haven’t showered in years.
They don't even think is competitive, to them IT's a party game.
I'll to see them get destroyed in melee xD
We are talking about fighting games here, sir.
@@raymondcampusano2991 they play fighting games they should win at any game automatically right?
@@racuncaithey play fighting games, they have no interest in playing melee, which is not a fighting game.
Didn't this guy also try tekken got rekt and left? not even sure if he reached tekken proplay
basically, he said the gimmicks were too much. but he did reach the best rank in like 2 weeks so yea
@@BlackWeeeb He never got anywhere close to the "best rank" in Tekken, the fuck.
Not only did this mother fucker try to pick up Tekken, but he got a BUNCH of help. I mean a LOT. Then after getting whooped while cheesing his way with Zafina, this mother fucker betrayed the people who helped him. After, they came in and whooped his ass for free and he never went back. That's why he plays STRIVE. Cause the game is designed for creeps like him that never wanted to learn a series that no longer even remotely plays like how it use to be.
@@BlackWeeebhe got to at max 18-22 dan, while the proplayers are at 35-765 dan
I am so glad you showed Snakeyez winning with Pot because I was so going to comment about it otherwise
This is a much needed video, perhaps a bit too late even. Better late than you know
The only guy with a good take on the video is Punk, the rest just sound really salty talking about characters and tiers when HC won evo last year and nobody gave a shit. Its funny how its always the mediocre pro players that talk the most shit.
snake eyez is not a mediocre player and leffen is just shitty as a human being which is the actual reason he gets hate
Maybe because the guy who won last year wasn't a toxic pos like leffen?
You know. Relevant information you leave out of your "argument".
And LOL
Snake Eyez and Punk mediocre? Bruh, you saltier than the ocean and just exposed it.
People talk about him using HC because everyone knows he treats people terribly whenever he loses or when he gets in an argument. He's a scumbag
So people are saying that Leffen. Somebody that has been playing other games isn’t that good in street fighter, the game he plays the least when competing with people that play that shut full time.
Yeah it's silly I know.
leffen played previous street fighter and he grinded sf6, there are new sf6 players that are doing way better with the same time he had.
@@szymonmirek6389 I doubt that he "grinded" that much considering he grinds GG strive....ya know because he's a GG strive top player so I still agree with the OP. If he actually grinded SF6 like Riddles then I think he'd do alot better. I think trying to downplay his skill at this point is getting silly right brother. He's a 2 time Evo GG Strive champion and a 3rd place runner up, he did well in DBZ fighters before he dropped it. It's time to stop with downplaying his skill, you can hate him all you want, dude is extremely cringe and annoying at times but his skill in fighting games is commendable.
Bro had a redemption arc in Melee and immediately went back to his villain arc
the fuck do you mean? no one was applauding his victories in melee because that shit wasn’t earned. all the real competition, that is to say the melee gods, moved on to other shit like raising families. leffen has always been lame
What redemption arc 💀💀 only leffens viewers like him, everyone what knows he's a shit head that just happens to be good at games
@@logandunlap9156 leffen beat every single one of the gods, and every player he played in his later years was better than the gods, and he still generally does well on his sparse attendance
don't speak about things you don't even know man. which of the gods retired while leffen was at his peak? PPMD? much worse player than leffen
#FREEHAX
i wouldn't say this is hating but LTG on the other hand sure
Huh
Aint no way you called snake eyes ltg
@@ExeltedTV Who confuses Snake Eyez with LTG?
LTG > leffail
It's not hating when it's TRUE.
i can agree on some of punk point but damn i was expecting snake eyez to be more mature (i dont know if anything happened between those two btw)
Snake Eyez sounds like a total hater but he's properly intuited that Leffen is indeed kind of a scumbag. He's probably not even aware of how Leffen has been saying shit that's out-of-pocket and making himself a pariah in the Smash scene for ages. idk if his behavior has been bad recently, but I know he's been considered controversial since like the pre-Smash 4 years.
If you thought he was mature, you have not seen his streams.
leffen deserves it though, he might possibly have the most devoted fans for absolutely no reason if you spend 10 min checking the shit he's done. trash person deserves getting trashed.
also a happy chaos player on top of it.
Snake eyes be more mature?! LMAO you really haven’t seen anything leffen has done have you? Leave it to blind hypocritical fanboys
It's a little strange cause sajam dunked on snake eyez for saying dumb shit like SF players are so much better than players in any other fighting games during the sf4. Looks like he is regurgitating the same shit from 10 years ago 😞
To be fair snake eyez is just on a completely different level LOL
Theres no way he plays Zoner Guile after complaining about Jigglypuff camping for mkst of his career
Nah hating on bros appearance is mad cringe
as a melee watcher, im really glad to know the fgc hates him as much as 90% of us do
I felt the whole fgc community say “What???” At 2:33 With him Lmao
Tekken players laughing at both SF6 and leffen
snake eyez potemkin was so hype dude
Its fun to joke about leffen, But he legit caused serious damage to the smash community. Leffen + Reddit may have actually unironically destroyed the smash community.
Him and Nairo. Leffen is annoying and I hate him, but at least he didn’t do what Nairo did.
Lies... 1:13 Snake had been playing and planning to compete using Potemkin at Texas Showdown for months, at least. He also said he was done with Strive after Texas Showdown a month before it happened. (He realized arcs systems or whatever intentionally made it so that when you press forward and back too fast, you get back dash. He went through all the games they touched and found that)
Not a whim. He was playing Strive every stream in that time.
Not a whim.
They act like GG is his only game. Winning LACS for melee and EVO for GG in the same year is absurd.
Street fighter is low priority for him so I don’t know why they act like he should be embarrassed for losing.
And for the record, I don’t even like Leffen.
Smash. Brothers. Is. Not. A. Real. Fighter. Or. A. Competitive. Game. At. All. Why even bring that up like its a bona fide?
That's like bragging you're really good at pin the tail on the donkey🤣
@@OberynTheRedViper melee is one of the hardest games in the world what are you talking about? Lmao. You just sound uneducated.
@@OberynTheRedViperhaha I guess you cant win in smash melee huh?
@@OberynTheRedViperBruh don't insult Pin The Tail like that 😭 that game takes real skill!
Poor Leffen plays Pin The Tail while looking in a mirror. Guess that's why his face be like that.
@@OberynTheRedViper I find it funny people say Melee isn't a competitive game when It's had 20+ years of competitive honing and a larger player base than most fighting games. It's like if half of SF players stayed playing SF2 and kept grinding till today.
i don't think this dude has any fans
When snake eyez said "just go and clean up real quick" i fuckin died 💀💀💀
Damn and I thought the Smash community was salty
Smash community hates him too. They just too pussy to actually say it out loud
SF6 players think their game is hard 😭
@@gasaiv2lmao certainly harder than smash
@@anotherinternetperson8495 Try it? I play both, play smash way longer than SF, I'm diamond on SF6 (my first SF game) and get shit on in smash and I'm quite decent tbh
I play both, Smash is not close to as easy as you think it is. A good smash player will wash your ass before you get out of character select.@@anotherinternetperson8495
Not even SnakeEyez would compare Texas Showdown to evo lmfao
That wasn't the point of including that clip, the point was, Leffen couldn't even win a Texas showdown level event in SF6, at least snake could get a small W in Strive. With Pot no less.
Leffen went to headstomper 2023 for SF6, Swedish tournament, 200 player bracket, no SF player of note attended, tierwhored with Juri Han, and STILL got washed.
@@Hxnsson It wasn't very clear in the video and the way it was edited tbh, Melee is just much of a timesink as SF6 so it makes sense leffen would not have results there, it also felt that you wanted to display that there's a sentiment among the FGC that games that are not SF6 and Tekken are just inherently easier or less competitive, which is harmful towards those games and unfair towards anime fighters like strive, remember that on its day during the pandemic strive carried the FGC while sf5 and tekken were both a netcode and release cycle nightmare.
@@badluck. That's what I am thinking man, this video is straight up propaganda. It almost makes me like Leffen in a weird way.
@@jmax1245it’s cuz you gai
@@jmax1245 It's cause it is prop. He played Pot. Pot is 4 buttons. If you get 2 cmd grabs. You can usually win.
You really really did your best to edit Snake out of context to make him sound like a hater when he was actually dissaproving of people booing him off the stage.
On the acne thing, yeah he did that, but he clowns on people all the time, even Punk.
There's is no effort on my part to make Snake seem like a hater. He was mostly reading messages in chat, which i tried to convey by writing "CHAT:" followed by whatever they said like at 5:57 so that viewers know it wasn't snake himself that said it. He definitely didn't disagree with their messages most of the time, which is fine, he doesn't dislike leffen for no reason. Leffen has a very toxic history and has tried to discredit snakes wins in the past. Even if snake was a hater it would be kinda justified, but yeah, he's not.
You slurping
Reach
Anyone want to elaborate on Leffen "toxic" history? Because so far I only get vague answers about him throwing groomer allegations against another Smash Bros player and getting Zero (who is confirmed to be a groomer) to almost take his existence away from himself unalive himself m outside of that it's also just "he is toxic, he is mean etc etc" ._.
@@DANCERcow you could just search on UA-cam you know. Lots of videos and documentaries will pop out if you do lol
Bruh that snake eyes clip. Jesus that was brutal and I love it. Calling the games Leffen plays "easy" is one thing but then going out and proving your point is insane. However I would love to see him do that with melee. I think it would be a little different.
I will say It definitely does feel like certain scenes have WAY more competitive players that makes winning big tournaments much more of a real challenge and a bigger achievement compared to others. I think its also a big reason why it took so long for someone like even Sonic Fox to really start getting actual respect because he had to play other games that aren't just NRS games before people actually started to see him as a genuinely a great player.
In a lot of ways if you aren't in either Street Fighter, Tekken, or Melee then you're almost a second rate citizen even if you're great at what you do
anyone else think snake eyes just comes off as super insecure and jealous?
winning ggst at evo is easy apparently
Funny how people call the smash scene toxic but god the fgc is so much worse
Same community
Well, there was a whole bunch of groomers found out in the smash community.
I don't think anyone called smash toxic lol. Everyone calls it soy and full of pedos. No disrespect to individual players because I know like half of smash is really cool, and the game is hard and skillful. But the community is cringe. That's the perception. Not toxic.