The Challenges of Tracking The Idaho Killer
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2024
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In this episode, two of the very best at what they do discuss the challenges in tracking the Moscow, Idaho killer.
Tracy Walder is one of the few women to serve in both the Directorate of Operations at the CIA and as a Special Agent at the FBI.
From 2000 to 2004, Tracy served the CIA’s Counterterrorism Center Weapons of Mass Destruction Group, followed by the FBI's Chinese Counterintelligence team. During her time at the CIA, Tracy travelled to war zones and many other countries.
After leaving the CIA, Tracy became a Special Agent at the FBI’s Los Angeles Field Office, specializing in Chinese counterintelligence operations.
Tracy now works as an author, adjunct professor of Criminal Justice at Texas Christian University, and sits on the Board of Directors of Girl Security. She is the author of The Unexpected Spy
Monica Jordan is the President of Jordan Research & Consulting - one of the nation’s most sought after private investigators.
Her firm happens to be based in Tallahassee where concentrates primarily on criminal defense and civil cases in federal and state trial and appellate courts throughout the United States. She has handled more than fifty death penalty trials.
She worked with on notorious female serial killer Aileen Wournos post conviction team …
And, another name you know - Luis Rivera - Trial team (Dan Markel law professor murder) plea resolution
Let us never forget those young lives lost way too soon: Madison Mogen, 21, Kaylee Goncalves, 21, Xana Kernodle, 20, and Ethan Chapin, 20.
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I’m from Moscow and we are very small. James Fry is a great friend and he’s trying hard to keep it close to the vest. Thank you for recognizing the MPD.
Please tell them soo many people are praying for them specifically...Praying for allll of them working this case both directly and indirectly. God's Holy Spirit is eager to flood their hearts and guide their paths. Thank you 🙏🏻
@@bibi-3b I will. We wouldn’t have a town without the University Kids. We support them and yes we have minor issues but We are a community of people who love living there and haven’t been horrified since one of our own shot up the town and killed Officer Newbill.
But isn’t WSU only like 8 miles away…. that widens things out…. what is the rural population around there - in other words, do people live in the rural zones in that area? How big/busy are the highways? Those are things to think about regards to how small or large an unsub pool could be….
@@mark8337 yes WSU is just on the other border. Again I’m thinking that since he came from Hwy 8???? Troy or Deary?
Man, that sales force ad clip was pure propaganda (net zero carbon bs)….
The guests you get are incredible! And your questions are perfectly geared towards letting them demonstrate their expertise…well done.
Much thansk
Yes, the host does such a good job interviewing his guests. And I love that he doesn’t interrupt them when they’re speaking because that’s a pet peeve of mine. Some other interviewers constantly interrupt their guests and I find that very distracting and annoying. This host is respectful, thoughtful and calm.
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These ladies are brilliant. Thanks Joel for bringing them in to discuss this case. I agree with Monica when she says it is way worse to convict the wrong person.
So good these two
Not really rather werid comments especially about how they were the most beautiful on campus. Just werid
I understand that the dad wants answers… the problem is that he’s sharing these answers with the public and jeopardizing the integrity of the investigation.
Exactly! And according to the Coroner what he shared is not true! That's a problem! And he most certainly did say those things. ABC has a live clip of him saying it and the Fox reporter recorded it. The Dad needs to stop. I feel for him very much. But the things he is doing are not helpful in this case.
There must be some middle ground between le and the parents
I do not trust the county coroner'
Kaylee’s father is potentially compromising the investigation.
Agree
NEVER talk to cops without an attorney. DO NOT VOLUNTEER YOUR DNA OR TURN OVER ELECTRONIC DEVICES WITHOUT A WARRANT.
Unless you are innocent.
@@marknewton6984 Not.
Why not?
@Harold Pretorius some cops are unethical. The more notoriety a case has the more pressure builds to solve the case.
@@marknewton6984 not even then.
Excellent host and guests. Best TC channel on YT. Thanks so much.
Thanks so much
Being sick and still doing the podcast just shows your dedication. Get well soon.
Thanks I thought you meant mentally … sick. Whew!
Superb programming; I'm captivated from beginning to end. You have garnered my full attention with your excellent interviewing and top notch guests. So many channels, not all, are using this horrible crime for less than kosher reasons, whereas you are respectfully offering the lay person a greater understanding of what transpires behind the scenes in crime solving.
#KeepItKosher
The fact that no one has came forward yet who was driving this car to me speak out loud, they have to know police are looking for them by new media--- could very well be the murder!!!
Chris was outside the crime scene tape. He was not walking through the crime scene.
Bruh they covered this ... the roommate DID see a bad crime scene then went outside and passed out ... a friend then talked to 911 about the passed out girl outside
LE has NOT confirmed this. This is a rumor started on FB or 4chan. Why are people still spreading unconfirmed stories??
This hasn’t been verified “bruh.” It’s an internet rumor.
Holy shit. I never realized how hard it was for people to understand the difference between a rumor and a fact.
Learn to figure the difference out. You can't always just believe whatever you read!
Some experts just seem really sincere. Nobody is perfect as I know the internet likes to nitpick(myself included). Your last two shows have been important info for the online public to absorb. Well done!
Thanks
These women were amazing
What a wealth of knowledge and experience. I hope they come back on the show
Tracy amazing guest, the way you views and talks about crime. Could listen to her all day.
For mid 40's she is hot. Honestly I thought she was late 20's
@@craigk2644 I developed quite the crush on her while watching this
Why do you not have 100s of thousands or millions of subscribers!!! This is an amazing show!! Hoping UA-cam puts you out there more!!!! ❤❤❤❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉🎉
Your guests are excellent, these two ladies are very knowledgeable and personable, and your moderation is too. From one “Jersey ex-pat” to another. Your shows are worthy of re-watch.
#Jersey4Life. Where in NJ?
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I dunno l expect more from.Tracy l dont think this her area of expertise
Both of these women have inspired me to pursue my career goal even more so. Thank you!
You have great guests . I hope your channel grows quickly
There is no forensic fairy wand that we can wave to help this be solved. That has to be a hard reality for these parents to accept on top of their horrendous grief and shock.
Well blaming the Cops isn't helping anyone! These cops are NOT Cowards! They are trying to find out who did this and get a conviction when they do. This is not some easy task like Dad thinks. He needs to educate himself on just how difficult this is for these Investigators. And he needs to be patient and trust the process. Anything less is just not helpful.
Everyone griefs different…his way is to be loud keep attention on his daughter case
@@xyz12345457 Yes exactly. I actually think the behavior of this family is quite strange if you want to know the truth. I mean let's go back to literally day 2 in to this case. It was Kaylee's Sister talking sh*t to the media giving them all this info and at the very same time busting the chops of the police. Saying they were not talking to neighbors, didn't ask for camera footage from neighbors. It was all a total lie! They most certainly had talked to the neighbors, and askes for camera footage on day 1! They had cops out canvassing the area asking ppl what they heard or saw. Kaylee's Sister made out like these police are bumbling idiots. And finding out from neighbors interviewed, that it was the absolute opposite. Ya know, why the hell did Alivia lie about all of that? Why did she make the big scene on different news outlets? Then a few more days and it's the entire family blasting the police. Then actually wondering why Police weren't calling them everyday. Well, if I were 1 of those police working hard on this case. Those ppl would be the last ppl I would want to call. Just saying. I would call Ethan's Parents or Maddie's Dad, or Xana's Dad. I would not want to call Kaylee's family because I wouldn't think it would matter what I told them. They'd still have it out for me. And even their Lawyer talking. Saying if they call Police and leave a msg. They demand a call back immediately! Well excuse me, but this Police dept is investigating a quadruple homicide rn. They may not be able to call this family back immediately and cater to every little question they have. Why does this family treat these police like they are responsible for Kaylee's death? I see only rage toward the police with this family, not for the killer. I find it very strange, and I have never seen this before with any other homicide case. Literally not once. And we have 3 other families here. And strange none of them are behaving this way. It's as if Kaylee's family forgets completely that there are 3 other kids who were murdered there besides Kaylee. They act like Kaylee is the only victim that matters and I find it incredibly self centered and thoughtless.
@@Canownit Hun he does not need to say 1 word to keep attention on this case. The entire world knows about this case. It is a huge national news covered case. He only trashes the police and it's gotten very old. Where is his anger toward the killer?
@@xyz12345457 I'm glad some ppl see the same thing I do here. And yw. Everybody needs to speak out on this. The Police and investigators on this case need our support too. If ppl think this has been easy for them to go in and see these 4 kids murdered this way, they have no idea how hard it is for them. Many of these Police have kids of their own who are the same age. It's hard on them too. And ppl need to stop bashing them. They are working very hard. They will solve this case.
Great guests and every time I hear more about this case I feel so sorry for these poor young adults 😢 🙏 I’m addicted to your channel it is so educational.
I can’t believe that someone with that car out that night doesn’t know they’re looking for them, come forward and give your alibi 😊
Great content! It's refreshing to hear their professional opinions that offer valuable insights into criminal investigations. It's so many armchair detectives, who can't solve a simple math problem, but think they can, or have solved this case.
Ethan’s brother was called to the scene
Reportedly it was he or his sister who told their parents
This is what the parents reported
Grieving father is not weird ...he is in the anger stage . Stop with interrogating him. What nonsense and inhuman. Oh bill O'Reilly does not care that you don't like him.
When I lost my 27 year old war veteran son. I never went through anger, I went through denial first to the point I kept telling my ex-husband he needed to go wake him up. I also went through prolonged crying, where I got some help from my therapist. I never understood people saying anger is one of the stages of dealing with the death of someone you loved.
Does anyone actually like Bill O’Reilly. He paid 32 million dollars to ONE of his many sexual assault accusers. Not a good guy. Right. Left. Or center.
Chris McDonough (sp) didn’t cross the crime seen tape. His dna, fingerprints, and footprints will not be part of the crime scene. He was walking on the street, passing the trash cans (which are inside the crime scene tape) and sees the glove. That glove is partially covered with snow. And, if you go look at video from the first day or two, you can see that glove, on the ground, beside the trash cans, inside the crime scene tape.
Thank you for always having such knowledgeable et compelling guests et conversation
I really enjoyed these ladies as guests!
These are great livestreams! Thanks. One quibble at 17:02 I'd disagree that the FBI handles tips better. They have resources and budget for sure, but an awful history acting on tips. The Miami FBI office, with over 1,000 agents, never bothered responding to 2 tips they received about school shooter Nikolas Cruz more than 5 months before the shooting. They received detailed tips that included his name and address with actionable info about disturbing activities. Never bothered to look into it.
More well known is the shameful case of Dr Larry Nassar, who abused hundreds of gymnasts, including many Olympians. The FBI received numerous complaints including actionable evidence including emails and sworn statements from more than 1 Olympic athlete.The FBi failed to act for more than a year. They moved only after the athletes went to media. Later, some of the athletes accused FBI agents of lying about their statements. The FBI failed to act on that tip as well.
These are just 2 famous examples. There are many more.
If local police has the manpower to handle it, they should handle things like tips because they actually have skin in the game. The FBI answers to no one.
Good to know!
Yeah their priority is investigating the oathkeepers and parents at school board meetings. And helping censor Twitter and Facebook
100% correct
@@xyz12345457 The FBI's resources should be brought to bear. But they need to be supervised.
Thank you for your channel. It's a breath of fresh air with experienced professionals on your panel instead of pure speculation from most UA-cam channels.
Glad you enjoy it!
No doubt in my mind, this killer will be caught. They have the best of the best working on this case.
Chris is GREAT ! Invite him
It crosses my mind that the killer or killers could’ve snuck in earlier and laid in wait. The students came home at different times, although close together. The two that came first could’ve been killed in the room. And then, when the second couple came, the killer(s) could’ve come out of hiding and killed them. That way they don’t have to handle four people at one time. And there are ways to silence people with a hand or a knife?
These women are so admirable 💜
If you aren’t familiar with the Michael Cummins case from TN, it’s something to look at. He killed his entire family of 6 people with a knife. I think if it’s a crime of passion and someone was on a high from a drug, anything can happen.
Thanks to Tracy for clarifying the 911 call situation.
She didn't. She spread a rumor, bc that's all that is.
@@ashleypg1708 This explanation seems just probable and reasonable, but may not be true. It's speculation like almost everything we seem to "know" about the case. In reality all we know FOR SURE is the 4 kids were slaughtered in the dead of night. That's it. We don't know who called, what they saw, what was said in the call, the sequence of the killings, nor the way the killer got in, how he got out, was he alone or not. We don't know 99% of the circumstances of this crime, because this 99% is kept close to the vest by the police, and rightly so.
@@agatamars exactly, which is why this expert shouldn't claim in interviews that this rumor has been confirmed.
@@agatamars I don't think that rumor is 1 bit true. Because go back to the 1st presser. The Chief of police did not understand why the roomates had called friends over instead of calling 911. And he did not understand why they then all waited, before they called 911. The Police Chief thought it was very odd their explanation. If the roomates saw the crime scene, there would be no reason at all for the friends they invited over to report it as an unconscious person. Also go back to Ethan's Parent's full interview. Ethan's Mother is very clear. She says Ethan and Xana were found in the same room. They were found in Xana's br. This bit that Ethan was found in the hallway or kitchen is just not true at all. They were both in Xana's br. It is common sense to know the roomates could not get the door to open and they called Ethan's Brother and Sister, thinking Ethan was unconscious. No roomate passed out! The roomates could not even get in the rooms! They did not see the crime scenes.
Thank you for your content… your channel is great the best guest ! When I get your channel’s notifications I immediately go to your channel 👋🏻🗽
The snow melted and it was underneath. He never went on the property but he took photo of it and contacted the police.
He told the ISP who were right there at the house.
Watching replay. Great show and guest speakers. No worries about your cold. I have it too. It’s that time of year.
Thanks for listening
I’m loving your panels through this case.
Idk how you do it....but you sure do get some superb guest. Very impressive. So much better than the drivel offered on most channels. Keep up the good work.
This is a very solid discussion. Good panel
Another solid episode...👍
They know who did it but they need evidence to conviction 100% so some lawyer don't get this murder off will take time, I pray for parents soon but, they want a conviction too!!!
How do you know? Oh, you don’t.
Oh please nothing is 100 per cent. They need probable cause so stop with that oft repeated line.
This was just an amazing, informative, super interesting show! Thank you, and thanks to your two wonderful guests. No cheap sensationalism, just pure knowledge and professionalism.
As for the screams question, three things come to my mind: 1. I can easily imagine the perpetrator puncturing/cutting the crucial spots in the victims bodies - windpipes, throats, hearts; they wouldn't be able to scream or to even make a sound, or if they did manage to do it, it would be probably a quiet moaning; 2. The perpetrator could have easily covered the victims mouths (surely with girls) with his hand or a pillow to muffle the sounds, while sitting on them; 3. If the victims were sound asleep and inebriated they would be totally disoriented as to what was going on (maybe even thinking for a few seconds if it was a dream), and would be just slow in ther reactions, physical and/or vocal.
This all could explain the lack of loud screams.
Tracy is my new Hero , The combo of Beauty and brains is unbeatable and she is humble and down to earth to boot .. and is that was not enough she is also so relatable
Change sheets, change toothbrush, have lots of clear fluids. Chicken rice soup. Clean bathroom and kitchen sinks. Put ice in wash clothes for head. Put Vicks vapor rub under nose. If tension headache put icy hot on shoulders
Thanks for the tips!
I heard on a youtube channel yesterday a person who is related to a Moscow Police Officer say that the wounds on the two girls upstairs where so horrific that their livers and lungs were both literally destroyed.
Wow. Whoever said "this may be a little above their pay grade" when speaking of the moscow police, wins the most condescending remark award.
He moved in and out of the students circles and is between 20 to 30 years old. Because he moved so freely among the students he is close in age to them. He was stalking the students for at least a month and has killed before. He stumbled onto this college town. It is a guy. No doubt. The house was chaotic in terms of people coming in and out and people who lived there sometimes not present during parties. When the police stopped by for a noise complaint they were not able to talk to someone who lived there. I stayed at a college town for 5 years getting my graduate degrees but all the homes I lived in pretty much were locked at night and the residents were around. It’s a horrible situation and the students had every right to feel secure in a university town but there are some bad dudes out there and you got to always keep that in mind.
Really good. These two are great.
I love Monica!!! She's no bullshit!! " Everybody wants to be a pirate until it's time to do pirate shit!!" Classic.
Since the white Hyundai was spotted turning on a nearby street after it passed the service station, the authorities have a location to concentrate an initial search for that vehicle.
There is a commenter that caught my attention on a different video and raised my eyebrows. The thought people with theories about a killer known to victims were stupid and tried to point towards it being gang related (naming MS 13). This does not fit Mara Salvatrucha et al M.O.s. It also struck me as odd because the way the commentor spoke didn't fit the profile they were using. I wondered if they paid someone for access to an old YT account. Username is 'AKenyanWoman'. They sounded like a young White male U.S. American
I decided to poke the bear a bit and then they clammed up and didn't respond or post anymore.
I thought they did say what they wanted the Hyundai for…needed to find the occupants because they may have seen something important. Did I misunderstand?
I do think the killer is likely to watch this show in particular because it's one of few that consistently has experts on and they want to see what professionals are thinking.
Do they get that channel in Africa?
@@marknewton6984 anyone can watch any YT channel from anywhere. The things the person said didn't sound like a woman and sounded like they were in US. Even mentioned a different US case. It just struck me as someone using a false cover on YT.
@@marknewton6984serious question, after reading several of your comments, is JS your suspect or is he a LE official suspect (unnamed)? Can he be connected to the Elantra or is the car a red herring?
Hope you feel better soon! Try oregano oil. Wonderful guests ☺️👍
Thank you! Will do!
Just goes to show how T.V has muddled real life crime situation's.......
The 911 call was because the roommates that survived - one of them fainted from the horrific crime scene - went outside and fainted. Those were the roommate’s friends calling 911 it got misinterpreted with the murders. It was completely separate.
Please learn the difference between what's fact/confirmed and what's rumor/unconfirmed.
@@YaakovEzraAmiChi please enlighten us what the fact is!
@@lisaforte1575 The fact is what the police said. It's all that's officially known.
How is this hard to understand? The version in OP is nothing but an unconfirmed rumor. It has never been officially confirmed by the relevant authorities
@@lisaforte1575 Do they not teach you people in school? Or did you drop out?
@@YaakovEzraAmiChi so you don't know what the fact of the matter is?
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Joel I’m so glad you mentioned Pat Tillman. We love him! He was my Uncle Bruce Snyder recruited Pat at Arizona State along with the Amazing dream team with Jake, Juan, and the that whole dream team I was so fortunate to get to know him and his wife Marie When he lost his life in Afghanistan I still grieve for that wonderful man He was one of a kind and he is missed dearly 💔
Among all the streams about this,excellent substance! Thank you all.
@44:20 He did not go beyond the crime tape… He already said that it’s not like he was peeking in windows and touching things so his footprints would be irrelevant because he was walking where anyone could walk. What it will do is if that glove is relevant or maybe even if it isn’t, it will give the defense attorneys. If it does go to trial something to point out and say the law enforcement missed this initially and they suck basically and didn’t handle things, right
I recently saw that the glove was traced back to a police officer who happened to drop it.
Ruby ridge was NOT a terrorist act ! It was an ATF attack on a minimally important criminal that went bad on the LE side as well as the deaths of innocent woman & children .
I thought the survivors called Ethan's brother because he lived right across the street?
You know it's barely imaginable because of how horrendous the first blows must have been. That is what kind of wound would both debilitate and make screaming and fighting back impossible. So a mastery of knife killing and alot of strength would be pre-requisite.
Yes I’ve thought of this too. I know it sounds crude, but he must have dispatched the victims very efficiently and quickly. I wonder what kind of injuries he would have had?
Feel better Joel - you are needed!
Thanks Helen
Bingo. Love the show today!!! TY.
So glad!
Great show.. police have to keep it quiet
And yet another spectacular interview. StS never disappoints. Re the father, absent Mike Williams tenacious mother and the constant pressure she exerted for decades, Mike Williams murder may still be unsolved. I believe the same would be true for Dan Markel's case as well.
Amen! I'm also getting tired of folks ragging on the dad, who is a shining example of a parent standing up for his child.
All this blather about 'jeopardizing the investigation' is BS, IMO. Cops are famous for leaking details of investigations. Typically the held back details can only be held back because they were discovered at the autopsy or in some way that makes these details unknown to the majority of the cops on the scene.
Brilliant! 🎉
I think its best for the police not to tell the family anything, otherwise I think some of them (family) would still be talking to the news so the police is probably choosing the lesser of two evils and it’s withholding info from the family.
I certainly hope you notified authorities about that suspicious post. Many serial killers follow their own cases, and have been found with newspaper clippings, etc of their own cases. And remember BTK was found by tracing his IP address to the church where he was a deacon.
The one false statement about the killer is that he night not be a big guy at all. Keep in mind that Ethan was a big guy and an athlete. However a man with a large knife would have the advantage.
Or a woman/women with large knives would have the advantage. Unless the police know for sure it was a man who committed these awful murders. Women can kill too.
I get tired of hearing defense attorneys say prosecutors bungled the OJ case. They presented overwhelming evidence including DNA. That jury was either biased or stupid.
Right werid compassion she made
Both….
I am concerned that the police seemed to be unaware that there was a camera aimed at the road leading to the house. I hope they have now canvassed every business and home to locate cameras and preserve the data before it is lost. Not exactly rocket science.
Darn cool ladies. Very enlightening. Thansky.
I wouldn’t let them look through my phone or get my dna. This lady is right we have a constitution!
Cops should have pulled all video within 5 miles around 1122 a few weeks ago. Wth a gas station employee checks videos and finds the Elantra!
Tend to agree
Thia is a great show and guests!
Im not sure if the roommates running outside and passing out has actually been confirmed. Great video tho.
Exactly. That disappointed me about this video.
It hasn’t. I was very surprised to see this “expert” stating it as fact. Unbelievable
They can’t TRUST THE FAMILY NOT TO TELL ANYTHING THE POLICE WOULD SHARE WITH THE FAMILY. Dang can’t you people see how they are in the press every second. They inject themselves in the investigation; that troubling.
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Pertinent sound information about this horrific event.
1:01.44 thank you for clearing that up me. Now all this makes sense.
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The more that are involved the more difficult it is to keep a secret. I find it hard to believe that it is more than one person.
That is true but keeping secrets might get easier that so many students left the area and won’t be coming back.
They know who did it. Gathering evidence...
It’s one person
It’s all about the shared incentives. As long as one doesn’t draw the heat the incentives stay the same. But if, it turns hot in the kitchen, first to squeal scores the deal and those incentives just changed. Lookout, here comes your trouble and consequences. Lol
Really interesting. Best thoughts I've heard on this case.
It's just so odd that not one finger print or foot print of any kind 🤔
That's not true there was a partial hand print on one of the back windows, but because there was so many people that were in and out of that house, there is no way to determine if it is relevant to the crimes.
My take on this mysterious character is that he works as a skilled tradesman. A tradesman is versatile enough in all hand tools. Knives and cutting machines especially.Being a skilled laborer usually you’re in the background, nobody really notices you, and your circle is very tight. A skilled laboring crew are able to transform a chaotic job site to a sparkling calm showroom environment very swiftly.I wonder if law enforcement had look into skilled contractors in and around the area.
He could have done work on the house or nearby and encountered the girls that way. Great thinking.
@@rosierosie62 yeah I would check to see if there was any repair/installs and if any work was subcontracted out.
What about a Fraternity that uses those types of tools...? One not far from the house.
Great idea if your looking to renovate your house lol. This was not random.
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I still speculate that it was 2 killers. And with more involved…Both came through the door that a subject opened for them. Then they took different routes once they were inside. There possibly could be a subject tasked with driving off and opening/closing door/or evidence transfer from the killers. The killer on the 2nd floor possibly struggled for the initial seconds after stumbling upon and a male and female. However was quickly supported by the killer that just did the hit on 3rd floor. There’s more involved in my speculation, that is also why it’s giving so hard of a time to investigators, different subjects were tasked with different things to do while the killing took place.
You've become your mother!! I love it, lol. Thank you for covering this case so well. 40% of homicides go unsolved.. Whoa. So much going on in this small town. A suicide, an accidental drowning and these 4 homicides. That is a lot of a small community like Moscow.
I was stunned by that number. 4/10. No answer.
@@SurvivingTheSurvivor I can't stop thinking about it. 4 out of 10. Unreal.
Mr. SDS, would you be able to increase the volume that you record and upload your videos - especially your guests? It is very hard to hear everyone without my speaker right next to my ear. When the commercials come in, it blows out my ears.
Respectfully,
You HOH viewer
Tracy Walder sound like a very experienced person in terms of investigating crime scenes
Chris found the glove on the side!!!! It was on the edge of the crime scene. He did not walk through the crime scene. From outside looking in and he didn't touch anything!!!!!
Uh oh, I didn't catch that part of the video, are they accusing him of walking thru the crime scene? Chris would never do that. He is one of the best detectives in the country.
@@ashleypg1708 Yes, they were given incomplete information about Chris finding the glove and assumed he had walked through the crime scene. 🙄Of course, Chris didn't cross the crime scene tape and immediately pointed the glove out to an officer working the scene who collected it as potential evidence. The glove was partially covered with melting snow.
@@ashleypg1708 yes. They alluded to people interjecting themselves into investigations. Walking through crime scenes. No one knew what they were talking about. Before this question he should have done some searching to see that glove can be seen in video from the first day or so. He did say Chris didn’t cross the tape. But he didn’t stop the guest from talking about people interjecting themselves into investigations and crossing crime scene tape.
This was great. These guests are so smart.
@42:27 Oooh, sounds like another "If the glove don't fit"
It may not have been random but to say that the victims had to be known is somewhat of a leap. The house was like a crystal ball, prime territory for voyeurs. The girls flaunted their beauty, although they were not as attractive as they seemed if you see the tik tok videos of them in their dressed down reality inside the home. Someone who didn't know them initially could have crashed a party there easily and, over time planned out and executed this attack to satiate a latent desire for control and domination. I personally agree that this is likely someone they knew, but I couldn't rule out the other option.
This was excellent.
They Know who did it and he split.
So glad I decided to click on your channel. Great content. All your guests are extremely informative. I'm kinda a crime sluth and for this horrific crime I've stopped watching some of my favorite true crime community y/t channel's b/c as far as I'm concerned I just want facts not the rumor mill. This case is so sad. My thoughts and prayers are with the families. Thank you.... new subscriber here.
I can't shake the notion that this was a professional hit. Way, way, way too many variables for an unexperienced killer to anticipate. I think the underlying story is big.