A Philadelphia Homocide unit would have been shocked and stunned walking in on this crime scene. The Moscow PD did the right thing calling in bigger agencies for assistance, many PD's wouldn't have done that so Moscow deserves everyone's respect.
@@SharpTac yeah they would have, they don't even solve half the murders here and they're mostly just shootings. The differences is there's a million cameras here so it would have been much harder to get away with. This person walked up on a dark house with a plan and took some back roads with basically no cameras and headed east
I went to the Holocaust Museum in Washington DC when I was 14, the gentleman that let us in gave us a card that had a picture of someone who died in the Holocaust ( along with bio) , he dug until he got me a 14 year old girl named Anna & I still have it. I also fainted by the 3rd level exhibit and a security guard had to carry me out to the lobby! I had never fainted from shock before or since what I saw that day! God bless your mother and what she & her loved ones went through 🙏❤
@@jemma6596 I'm 38 and my memory sucks, but I can remember so much of that experience! And I think it's important for people to see that so 1) it never happens again 2) no absolute Fool will deny it happened
@@sharonmorine5407 I said levels because you go through the exhibits and they constantly get worse, they have signs that say if you have heart problems, pregnant, etc. Enter with caution, and it was just really horrible pictures and items from what the pictures show & honestly you could probably guess , it's stamped in my memory forever.... I was 14 so that was several years ago
Very high risk. In Oregon a couple was attacked at 3am by an intruder. Man was stabbed to death and women somehow survived approximately 19 stab wounds. This was August 2021 I believe. There was another person in the residence as well. Very high risk in that attack too, same MO, individual never caught. Just makes me wonder if it’s possibly related.
Yes, so full of hatred and resentment..anger got the best of whoever did this. Threw caution into the wind..and so far is getting away with it. "JACK THE RIPPER" is rolling over in his grave.
@@tomd1434 the cops said it was robbery i read. there's also a stabbing of a 71 year old who was asleep in her bed. these 3 stabbing all happened less than 5 hours away, on the 13th of the month, about 18 months apart between 2020 and 2022
@@woodsack17 I heard about the 13th of the month too. I’m sure police are considering everything, but it just seems the possibility of these cases being possibly linked isn’t talked about enough. There are enough similarities to at least provoke a serious discussion, but doesn’t seem to get much attention. I think there’s a better chance that there’s one nut going around vs multiple nuts who just happen to kill people the same way.
One thing that’s hard for me to wrap my head around is that you had two pairs of housemates, the eventual victims, initially out of the house on the night preceding the murders, but out separately, and then returning separately during the wee hours of the morning and with no apparent coordination between the two groups. How - without being in communication with somebody in the house or being already in the house himself - would the attacker have known a safe time to begin slashing?
I understand the feelings of these family members, however, one must remember that there are 4 families and not just one involved. Even though I empathize with the Gonzalves family, by them speaking out on details that need to be hidden, is jeopardizing the investigation for all of the families. Hopefully nothing has/will jeopardize the conviction of the perpetrator.
I agreee. They are experiencing unimaginable pain and grief, but leaking details that need to be withheld for interrogation and prosecution is so unfair to the other families. Also, the expectations are just unrealistic. This is a MAJOR case, a complex crime scene and there's so much evidence to evaluate. This would be a hard undertaking for even a large metro area.
@@polkadots716 He's not protecting anyone. He's giving tabloid, inaccurate, shitty outlets like Fox and News Nation grist for their screaming headlines.
I think what makes this crime so popular is 1) it’s horrible and 2) not solved yet.I’m completely engrossed in this particular case I know there’s others on UA-cam that are popular but this is so interesting👋🏻🗽
The “online crime detectives” want to helps solve this. They have done the same with many other cases. What bothers me the most is that it’s not solved yet. I pray for a measure of justice 🕊🙏🏽🕯
Also the fact that they were asleep makes it even more terrifying! We all take for granted that our bed is a safe place. Heartbreaking is an understatement! 🙏🏽😢 ❤️🩹
The police asked for video & pictures multiple times from the beginning. The question is, it’s a small town, small area, if you know any of those victims frequented your vape shop, why didn’t they immediately pull up video and hand it over to the police? The police can only be in so many places at once. LE asked for video and pictures from everyone right away. Some media is just out to denigrate LE for clicks and views. It’s a short time after a killing with that vast of a crime scene. To expect an arrest that will end in a conviction this short a time later is unreasonable. People need to stop criticizing in this nascent stage. All it does is to help a potential defense attorney that will argue the forensics were bungled, LE is incompetent, etc because that’s the narrative certain media is pounding on the daily. Good guests here and every day. Glad your channel is growing. It deserves it.
I agree completely. Why didn't all of the businesses in the area save their video's from the day before and the day after the murders? Esp in this small town.
Is it likely that the police already have a suspect and they are doing surveillance on that person, waiting for an opportunity to retrieve a “DNA laden” object (e.g., paper cup, cigarette butt, etc.) discarded by the suspect to compare with the non-victim DNA collected at the crime scene?
The LE might have a suspect n be patiently waiting for a freshly used condom as well? Imagine the DNA on that thing? They would have that sucker nailed!!!!!
Just a guess but I think LE knows who it is. Maybe waiting for something ironclad for the arrest and conviction. I can't believe they know nothing. I think it's us who know the least.
I hope so. If they have DNA they can solve it even using genealogy if they have to. I think an award should be offered too because money talks and it's been over a month now.
Man, I was dying to hear Dr.Hyslip talk about cyber crime. I'm in college for CyberSecurity and really was hoping he would go into the cyber crime element of this case. Maybe we can get him back?
Yea all the cell phone data , maybe they can see the pings of any electronic devices on the killer when he was in the house off the houses router. So many thing cyber wise could be done
I’m sorry, not sorry. BUT these frat boys giving alibis for each other should NOT be considered as a legit alibi. They will lie and cover for each other. Same thing as a parent covering for their child! That is NOT a solid alibi IMO
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The police asked early on for persons with video to come forward. I think all those stores and businesses in that area should have saved their video from that time period.
Another great show. Thanks again. I can’t imagine what these families and their close friends are going through. This murderer needs to be caught soon. Hopefully they are still offering free counseling to anyone in this community.
Truly the best true crime content on UA-cam. As a fellow content creator, the only thing I wish you would change is your rate of commercials/ad placements (very easy to do in UA-cam studio). I'm guessing its set to very high to push folks to Patreon, which I get, but I'm getting ads ever few mins....hard to follow the great guests train of thought or comments.
@@JC-rl3nd No regrets here. I can continue to play the audio while checking email or text. I spend most days fishing and UA-cam content keeps me company without bothering with ads. Cable tv has little that interests me. Lately I’ve been learning about pickling, canning, and fermention between true crime updates. UA-cam Is a never ending archive of news and how-to info.
@@EASTSIDERIDER707 Yup, all your points are valid. I don't watch TV at all and I am primarily on UA-cam as I am a content creator with my own channel (you should start a channel as well ;-) and watch a ton of other creators content...whether that's true crime, music, hockey talk and like you a ton of how-to-info. I think you may have convinced me to get YT premium 🙏I think it's time.
I was disappointed in Fil's answer as to how the internet has changed crime. Essentially he said it hasn't had any impact. So perps aren't stalking potential victims online? Pedophiles aren't finding victims online through catfishing? Thieves aren't preying on homes whose owners show they're gone on vacation on their social media? Wow.
@@simonw1313 It's a reference to signal that human nature has not changed one bit over thousand of years, its not a specific religious reference just a benchmark in that evil has existed for thousands of years While some parts of the internet have encouraged some kinds of toxic behavior, there has been serial murderers for years. Look at Jack the Ripper cases in 19th century London, the killer was never identified.
@@mtngrl5859 - But the question was about how technology has changed the way crime occurs and created new criminal opportunities - not whether human nature has changed.
@@simonw1313 I think he viewed the question from his knowledge of human nature. While I do believe certain aspects of the internet age has encouraged toxic behavior. For example, its estimated that about 15% of the US population are Narcissists. Social media is a playground for these types of individuals. While I would disagree with the investigator's segregation of Sociopaths vs Psychopaths, typically both are Narcissists.
GREAT show always...I'm obsessed with this one thing and it doesn't get discussed much. What's often talked about is how the murderer got in but how the heck did he leave?? I'd like to hear different theories on that? He had to get in a car in order to get away quickly. It's not like he could just walk down the dark street and call an Uber all covered in blood?
Exactly and I'm very disappeared that ex cops from NYC whom I like, play her crap on their UA-cam channel, like her, and go her horrid show. She's always smirking too.
I'm really liking the guests on this channel. I subscribed recently and have not been let down yet. I cannot stand the other channels with the outrageous theories and the accusations. People have no idea how they are affecting the lives of innocent people or interfering with an active homicide investigation. There is nothing wrong with throwing ideas around and having conversations, but some of these people are plain nuts. Also, some sleuths are digging too deep and OVER analyzing things. I bet that when the truth comes out, many will be shocked at how simple it was. Right there. The internet, the news media, all want a fantastical story, but this is not a movie. Chances are this murder was committed by someone close who eventually will spill it to the wrong person, none of these college age kids can keep their mouths shut. Loose lips sink ships. I can only hope that happens anyway. My husband always says to go back to the scene. What was different about that night? Different about the days leading up to the crime? LE has info, I think they are heading in the right direction.
You're a good man however we just love your Mom...great guests and thank you for the thought provoking conversations... I lived there and have family and friends in Moscow still...I do give local cops some credit. The incidents they are accustomed to could be frat brother falls off balcony while mooning people
The problem with this case is that there are so many people around the 4 victims to many students visiting this house and to many victims at once. This is going to be extremely difficult to figure out.
I love your shows. Thank you for reading my comment yesterday. You have the best guests. I've been telling as many people as possible to come here because most folk I know are fed up with many of the bad actors and find it hard to find decent content.
I am wondering why everyone is expecting this murder to be solved within the first week. I wish it had been too, but I want the right person not a quick arrest with no evidence. Life is not a TV show and solved in 60 mins. Let's let the process happen for a right arrest and conviction. If not we get a scenario of a police theory and trying to make the suspect fit in.
Praying for the Moscow LE … they have new recruits/young officers that visualized these heinous evil crimes, I have seen a lot working in ER Trauma, but the traumatizing facts of what these blessed hearts & souls had too endure on November 13, 2022 … as a citizen only imagining what they visualized, I have no words So instead of producing verbiage against Moscow LE … I think we need too lift them up too the throne of our creator God… for strength too endure as they process, continue on this journey seeking JUSTICE for the 4beautiful souls and their precious grieving families Clue in FBI and all agencies who are on this journey with Moscow LE
@@frankie5354 Never thought about that, thank you for your kindness, and suggestion I don’t reside in Idaho, S Missouri is my roots, but my sweet mama was born and raised near Moscow (she resides in Heaven now) and I have multiple kinfolk all across Idaho, Utah and Oregon I will write a kind note in the Christmas card … Again thank you and God Bless Moscow, ID LE .. during their journey too bring JUSTICE for these beautiful souls who were murdered in evil cold blood, God Bless their families left behind, and all the men and women in Blue are working this case
@@FRAME5RS the content creator can determine how many commercials pop up during the video. I don’t mind a few but not constantly throughout the entire stream.
Going into a home in IDAHO is like playing Russian roulette. Except ALL the barrels are loaded but one. But this is a college town. And he got lucky. I live here in Idaho (not Moscow) and everyone is armed . In my neighborhood people have more gun safes than cars. You’re just taking your life into your hands by doing this anywhere here. This is NOT a blue state. I think the guy knew one or all of the victims, he knew they weren’t armed and not a threat to him .
I’m thinking you’re moving very slowly in this interview, & are asking very simple basic questions that most folks understand…. These 2 gentlemen are able to answer much higher level info.
I just subscribed because your guests are tremendous and you let them speak. I would love to hear you ask one of the investigative professional’s you have on what they think of this case possibly being connected with two other open cases, one in Oregon, and the other in Washington state. In Oregon there was a young couple attacked at around 3am while they slept. The man was stabbed to death and the woman miraculously survived approximately 19 stab wounds. This happened about one year before these Idaho murders. High risk for the killer and similar MO. The other case was in Washington state and a middle aged woman was killed in the same fashion while she slept in the early morning hours. This happened in 2020 I believe. The killer in both cases was never caught. My question is do these two cases in Oregon and Washington State raise the antennas of investigators in terms of a possible serial killer committing these crimes and how much so? Thanks.
Please check your email or contact page. I think it’s a very interesting perspective. Thank you. Luv your Co-host Mom. Thank you to the panel for their insight and the reality of how our community wants justice on a lawful conviction.
One of the problems with this case from the beginning is that authorities assured the public that there was no danger and they had the situation under control. Because of that, citizens who had fresh and pertinent information figured that the police had whatever they needed. Now, nearly a month later, some who could have provided crucial information in the beginning are starting to come forward. Unfortunately, at this point, video tapes have been overwritten, witnesses have left the area, and other evidence may no longer be available.
I don’t understand why LE in general, not just in this case, in their first broadcast, don’t tell every business, apartment building, home with video cameras to immediately preserve all video that might be pertinent within a 50 mile radius of the crime scene and voluntarily submit it to LE.
That would throw up an extraordinary amount of video material even if they just did it for the town of Moscow (25,000±) and it would be unimaginable. Though I guess if it was all submitted (and this might be your point) then they could file it all away geographically and return to it if needed in the future rather than turn up somewhere to find out it's been deleted last week. I'm guessing they did it for a substantial distance around the murder site and that's why the white car issue has arisen.
This is good content like to have them back as this unfolds. Also not sure but haven't heard on any other sites of them reviewing video the hours before the apparent crime. I'd say if they left a certain way they wood have entered or drove in and or walked in that way maybe hours before hand. But yes this is very complex and has reeled in, in the least my concerns and of others. I think also keeping this in news the perp can't make this go away my Hope's he just turns himself or lesser chance herself in .thanks again for getting the info out.
Who was your favorite character on the Barney Miller show? Mine Abe Vigoda as FISH. :) I was In grade school when that show was on and FISH was most definitely my hero. Lol
Not necessarily. Could have firmly wiped his shoes on the carpet before leaving and blood will rapidly congeal and become absorbed in clothing and not be dripping of him. Any blood traces would likely be small and need to be carefully looked for.
I can’t chill out if I am not excited. In my opinion, it’s clear in the beginning of the episode there was clear smearing or underrating profilings significance. Other episodes hold no weight to what is said here. No need to get sensitive about it. I just found it bizarre, simple as. You asked for comments, that’s mine.
That car also may have been seen in a TV update about the case a few days after it happened. You can definitely see a white car behind the building and up to the right through the woods.
I remember that very well. Bounty hunter's was waiting in side the dealership. That shoot out was off the chain the guy they was hunting. He took out 2 people quick. The bounty lost an them. 4 drilled.
@@SurvivingTheSurvivor thank you, really enjoying the variety of guests and your professional approach. Coming from a forensic background it’s great. Thank you!
Full disclosure, it was the death row inmate that brought the possibility of the killer already being in the house. This is from detective Ken Mains' channel.
I'm glad that one or more of the families have gotten attys. That helps to keep a little more control over what the families/police are releasing to the public. Also, having a atty walks the family through a process that none of us would ever want to go through.
Mr Gonclaves stated that the reason he hired a lawyer was in hopes that the lawyer will be able to put pressure on the police to force them to share more information with his family. Clearly, his reasons are purely selfish and not about being civil but to get what he wants and what he feels entitled to.
Yes, and they probably didn't know what they were or should be looking for, not being trained in any detective/law, so they didn't think to turn in video. Unfortunately.
Have you seen former detective Ken Mains' channel, "Unsolved No More"? He works on cold cases and did The History Channel documentary on The Hunt for the Zodiac. He is currently in contact with a death row inmate at San Quentin who interacts with serial killers x 40 years.
He lost me as he is elevating a brutal murderer who is a sociopath masquerading as a "profiler" . Both guys are just out for themselves. Please see Pat Browns latest video on this. She explains why its wrong what hes doing.
@@1ACL Fair enough, but I want to believe Bill is sincere in wanting to help with the Cold Cases as a way to help in paying back to society. Even if he is insincere, he certainly has some great insight because of being housed amongst the most psyco-of inmates. SQ is not for the weak.
Hi and I hope that Your are having a great day. Many Thanks once again for covering this Case and being above All respectul and empathetic towards the Families and Victims which is paramount. Once again You have 2 more fascinating and experienced Guests who are answering questions in a factual manner and indeed are experts in their fields.💙💔💔💔💔🙏🙏🙏🙏
I came in late. My question would be if the house was a party house and many weekends there were people going in and out how difficult would it be to find suspect DNA and wouldn't a defense atty argue that point?
Hello guys, So in my opinion I think this guy planned this out very well. He wasn’t hiding in the house due to his surveillance he knew party house and the girls could possibly bring home friends to party after the bar. So he came in from back door, front door to risky escape route same way. He did it alone. Frat boys would have squeeled by now on each other especially with these seasoned FBI guys. Also he knew quiet little town not top notch police (sorry) to investigate 4 homicides. He wasn’t expecting this to be nationwide news so he’s nervous but ditched the Elantra by now. IMO Thank you
There's a chance that the Elantra just happened to be in the area. From some of the insights offered by national media, the killer had planned this crime, waited for the opportunity and pulled it off, It could very well be that the killer waited in the woods behind the house for the lights to go out and everyone fall asleep before entering the house and killing 4 people. Apparently the best escape route was out the back way, along a short train by a fenced in house and come out on a road less traveled and made his escape. No witnesses no motive.
@@johnadams5489imo it’s likely he will do this again. His rage was too intense. Alot of uncontrollable rage. Probably just 1 or 2 victims at a time not 4 anymore too risky. I hope you guys catch him before he does. Lots of prayers. Thank you for all you do. God Bless
I believe this monster was injured. Someone out there knows if someone who has a hand wound!!! How dare you cover for this “thing” ! You NEED to report this immediately!!
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STS has, without a doubt, set the bar for dissecting true crime. Outstanding as always Joel.
A Philadelphia Homocide unit would have been shocked and stunned walking in on this crime scene. The Moscow PD did the right thing calling in bigger agencies for assistance, many PD's wouldn't have done that so Moscow deserves everyone's respect.
I agree! And FBI and other pros are still on scene investigation.
In Philly, can confirm
@@SharpTac yeah they would have, they don't even solve half the murders here and they're mostly just shootings.
The differences is there's a million cameras here so it would have been much harder to get away with.
This person walked up on a dark house with a plan and took some back roads with basically no cameras and headed east
@@SharpTac you've missed my point completely!
Moscow PD knows the lay of the land if it's local they will get Him/Them. If it's SK He's gone and that's FBI territory.
I went to the Holocaust Museum in Washington DC when I was 14, the gentleman that let us in gave us a card that had a picture of someone who died in the Holocaust ( along with bio) , he dug until he got me a 14 year old girl named Anna & I still have it. I also fainted by the 3rd level exhibit and a security guard had to carry me out to the lobby! I had never fainted from shock before or since what I saw that day! God bless your mother and what she & her loved ones went through 🙏❤
Wow. Crazy story.
@@jemma6596 I'm 38 and my memory sucks, but I can remember so much of that experience! And I think it's important for people to see that so 1) it never happens again 2) no absolute
Fool will deny it happened
@@sharonmorine5407 I said levels because you go through the exhibits and they constantly get worse, they have signs that say if you have heart problems, pregnant, etc. Enter with caution, and it was just really horrible pictures and items from what the pictures show & honestly you could probably guess , it's stamped in my memory forever.... I was 14 so that was several years ago
The Idaho massacre was high risk for the perpetrator regardless of what he knew in advance.
Very high risk. In Oregon a couple was attacked at 3am by an intruder. Man was stabbed to death and women somehow survived approximately 19 stab wounds. This was August 2021 I believe. There was another person in the residence as well. Very high risk in that attack too, same MO, individual never caught. Just makes me wonder if it’s possibly related.
Yes, so full of hatred and resentment..anger got the best of whoever did this. Threw caution into the wind..and so far is getting away with it. "JACK THE RIPPER" is rolling over in his grave.
@@tomd1434 the cops said it was robbery i read. there's also a stabbing of a 71 year old who was asleep in her bed. these 3 stabbing all happened less than 5 hours away, on the 13th of the month, about 18 months apart between 2020 and 2022
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I heard about the 13th of the month too. I’m sure police are considering everything, but it just seems the possibility of these cases being possibly linked isn’t talked about enough. There are enough similarities to at least provoke a serious discussion, but doesn’t seem to get much attention. I think there’s a better chance that there’s one nut going around vs multiple nuts who just happen to kill people the same way.
One thing that’s hard for me to wrap my head around is that you had two pairs of housemates, the eventual victims, initially out of the house on the night preceding the murders, but out separately, and then returning separately during the wee hours of the morning and with no apparent coordination between the two groups. How - without being in communication with somebody in the house or being already in the house himself - would the attacker have known a safe time to begin slashing?
I am so happy to hear so many police and detectives sticking up for the Moscow Police. They know what goes on behind the scenes. The public does not!
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I understand the feelings of these family members, however, one must remember that there are 4 families and not just one involved. Even though I empathize with the Gonzalves family, by them speaking out on details that need to be hidden, is jeopardizing the investigation for all of the families. Hopefully nothing has/will jeopardize the conviction of the perpetrator.
I agreee. They are experiencing unimaginable pain and grief, but leaking details that need to be withheld for interrogation and prosecution is so unfair to the other families.
Also, the expectations are just unrealistic. This is a MAJOR case, a complex crime scene and there's so much evidence to evaluate. This would be a hard undertaking for even a large metro area.
Absolutely agree and frankly, Mr Gonclaves is a bit of a bully.
@@feralLove he's suspicious, IMO.
Steve Goncalves doesn't care if he causes any problems. He's not stupid. He doesn't care, and I'm curious to know what he _thinks_ he's accomplishing.
@@polkadots716 He's not protecting anyone. He's giving tabloid, inaccurate, shitty outlets like Fox and News Nation grist for their screaming headlines.
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Thank you for bringing all of these experts on panel! The amount of knowledge & experience is priceless! New subscriber! ❤
I think what makes this crime so popular is 1) it’s horrible and 2) not solved yet.I’m completely engrossed in this particular case I know there’s others on UA-cam that are popular but this is so interesting👋🏻🗽
Exactly to the point
The butchered hot blondes boost the interest level 100%.
The “online crime detectives” want to helps solve this. They have done the same with many other cases.
What bothers me the most is that it’s not solved yet. I pray for a measure of justice 🕊🙏🏽🕯
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Pls keep in mind that the families read these 😢
Also the fact that they were asleep makes it even more terrifying! We all take for granted that our bed is a safe place.
Heartbreaking is an understatement!
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Great you always say the names of those who lost their lives.
The police asked for video & pictures multiple times from the beginning. The question is, it’s a small town, small area, if you know any of those victims frequented your vape shop, why didn’t they immediately pull up video and hand it over to the police? The police can only be in so many places at once. LE asked for video and pictures from everyone right away.
Some media is just out to denigrate LE for clicks and views. It’s a short time after a killing with that vast of a crime scene. To expect an arrest that will end in a conviction this short a time later is unreasonable. People need to stop criticizing in this nascent stage. All it does is to help a potential defense attorney that will argue the forensics were bungled, LE is incompetent, etc because that’s the narrative certain media is pounding on the daily. Good guests here and every day. Glad your channel is growing. It deserves it.
My thought about the Vape Guy. Why didn’t he take action and go say something earlier. 😢
I agree completely. Why didn't all of the businesses in the area save their video's from the day before and the day after the murders? Esp in this small town.
Exactly! They are responsible if this guy gets away for not taking the initiative of handing over their videos. Shame on those business owners 😡
In every post where someone is saying, 'Stop criticizing LE,' I notice they are criticizing citizens. If criticism is wrong, stop doing it yourself.
The vape guy was possibly already interviewd by police. We have no idea, but its likely.
Is it likely that the police already have a suspect and they are doing surveillance on that person, waiting for an opportunity to retrieve a “DNA laden” object (e.g., paper cup, cigarette butt, etc.) discarded by the suspect to compare with the non-victim DNA collected at the crime scene?
The LE might have a suspect n be patiently waiting for a freshly used condom as well? Imagine the DNA on that thing? They would have that sucker nailed!!!!!
Just a guess but I think LE knows who it is. Maybe waiting for something ironclad for the arrest and conviction. I can't believe they know nothing. I think it's us who know the least.
@@ddwm_mua I agree.
@T-Lo336 I have to believe it. I'd go nuts thinking otherwise lol
I hope so. If they have DNA they can solve it even using genealogy if they have to. I think an award should be offered too because money talks and it's been over a month now.
I’ve been following this crime for a week now, this is becoming my favorite channel. Great questions and great guests
Man, I was dying to hear Dr.Hyslip talk about cyber crime. I'm in college for CyberSecurity and really was hoping he would go into the cyber crime element of this case. Maybe we can get him back?
Going to do a whole show on it. Soon.
@@SurvivingTheSurvivor You're always a few steps ahead of us
@@SurvivingTheSurvivor Great idea! Thank you and looking forward to it😀👍🇨🇦
Yea all the cell phone data , maybe they can see the pings of any electronic devices on the killer when he was in the house off the houses router. So many thing cyber wise could be done
Yes my friend who worked in a major City also in this profession talked alot about the computer internet ECT when I talked to her .
Happy to hear Detective Water’s brave opinions. Will be following your channel regularly now!
Welcome aboard! Happy to have you
I’m sorry, not sorry. BUT these frat boys giving alibis for each other should NOT be considered as a legit alibi. They will lie and cover for each other. Same thing as a parent covering for their child! That is NOT a solid alibi IMO
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Alot of good info guys thanks 👍. Makes me understand more on this case .
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The police asked early on for persons with video to come forward. I think all those stores and businesses in that area should have saved their video from that time period.
Another great show. Thanks again. I can’t imagine what these families and their close friends are going through. This murderer needs to be caught soon. Hopefully they are still offering free counseling to anyone in this community.
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Bull crap
Love your channel! I'm glad I found you. You always have an excellent panel/guests.
Glad you enjoy it!
Truly the best true crime content on UA-cam. As a fellow content creator, the only thing I wish you would change is your rate of commercials/ad placements (very easy to do in UA-cam studio). I'm guessing its set to very high to push folks to Patreon, which I get, but I'm getting ads ever few mins....hard to follow the great guests train of thought or comments.
UA-cam Premium gives a better viewing experience.
@@EASTSIDERIDER707 Been contemplating getting it to be honest. I guess if you’re on YT enough, might be worth it.
@@JC-rl3nd No regrets here. I can continue to play the audio while checking email or text. I spend most days fishing and UA-cam content keeps me company without bothering with ads. Cable tv has little that interests me. Lately I’ve been learning about pickling, canning, and fermention between true crime updates. UA-cam Is a never ending archive of news and how-to info.
@@EASTSIDERIDER707 Yup, all your points are valid. I don't watch TV at all and I am primarily on UA-cam as I am a content creator with my own channel (you should start a channel as well ;-) and watch a ton of other creators content...whether that's true crime, music, hockey talk and like you a ton of how-to-info. I think you may have convinced me to get YT premium 🙏I think it's time.
I need help with this. How do I limit the ads? Only leave clickable ads mid roll up. That’s it. Don’t allow anything else
I was disappointed in Fil's answer as to how the internet has changed crime. Essentially he said it hasn't had any impact. So perps aren't stalking potential victims online? Pedophiles aren't finding victims online through catfishing? Thieves aren't preying on homes whose owners show they're gone on vacation on their social media? Wow.
Yeah, he's wrong about that.
Yeah his response was a bit shallow and dismissive. I also wince when people start bringing religion into explaining human nature.
@@simonw1313 It's a reference to signal that human nature has not changed one bit over thousand of years, its not a specific religious reference just a benchmark in that evil has existed for thousands of years
While some parts of the internet have encouraged some kinds of toxic behavior, there has been serial murderers for years. Look at Jack the Ripper cases in 19th century London, the killer was never identified.
@@mtngrl5859 - But the question was about how technology has changed the way crime occurs and created new criminal opportunities - not whether human nature has changed.
@@simonw1313 I think he viewed the question from his knowledge of human nature. While I do believe certain aspects of the internet age has encouraged toxic behavior. For example, its estimated that about 15% of the US population are Narcissists. Social media is a playground for these types of individuals. While I would disagree with the investigator's segregation of Sociopaths vs Psychopaths, typically both are Narcissists.
GREAT show always...I'm obsessed with this one thing and it doesn't get discussed much. What's often talked about is how the murderer got in but how the heck did he leave?? I'd like to hear different theories on that? He had to get in a car in order to get away quickly. It's not like he could just walk down the dark street and call an Uber all covered in blood?
Unless it was one of the two possible suspects that live within a football field…
@@jeremyboushie1123 "live within a football field"? What the heck does that mean? Nothing.
Ashley Banfield is the worst example of covering this case. She tries to create issues where none exist.
Exactly and I'm very disappeared that ex cops from NYC whom I like, play her crap on their UA-cam channel, like her, and go her horrid show. She's always smirking too.
NewsNation is a joke.
Yes...and she Badgers the parents like they are suspicious.
I no longer watch her
Absolutely. Sensationalist. Reflects on the network, they want this kind of narrative.
👋🏻🗽👏🏻frantic application.excellent way of describing that in such away
I'm really liking the guests on this channel. I subscribed recently and have not been let down yet. I cannot stand the other channels with the outrageous theories and the accusations. People have no idea how they are affecting the lives of innocent people or interfering with an active homicide investigation. There is nothing wrong with throwing ideas around and having conversations, but some of these people are plain nuts. Also, some sleuths are digging too deep and OVER analyzing things. I bet that when the truth comes out, many will be shocked at how simple it was. Right there. The internet, the news media, all want a fantastical story, but this is not a movie. Chances are this murder was committed by someone close who eventually will spill it to the wrong person, none of these college age kids can keep their mouths shut. Loose lips sink ships. I can only hope that happens anyway.
My husband always says to go back to the scene. What was different about that night? Different about the days leading up to the crime? LE has info, I think they are heading in the right direction.
Can you imagine if a parent knew their child did this and wasn't coming forward?? 😱
You're a good man however we just love your Mom...great guests and thank you for the thought provoking conversations... I lived there and have family and friends in Moscow still...I do give local cops some credit. The incidents they are accustomed to could be frat brother falls off balcony while mooning people
What’s not to love? Ha. She’s great.
Fascinating interview. Wish there wasn’t so many annoying ads but I get it.
The problem with this case is that there are so many people around the 4 victims to many students visiting this house and to many victims at once.
This is going to be extremely difficult to figure out.
I love your shows. Thank you for reading my comment yesterday. You have the best guests. I've been telling as many people as possible to come here because most folk I know are fed up with many of the bad actors and find it hard to find decent content.
Wow, thank you!
YES!! Stepping up the content like no other 👏🏼😘 Love STS
You have a knack for booking the right people. Top shelf!😊
Really enjoyed the retired detective’s perspective here. I agree it might come down to a simple answer
Great channel
The detective has the most insight due to his acutely experience through his career , and has a very balanced view , that’s how cases get resolved
I am wondering why everyone is expecting this murder to be solved within the first week. I wish it had been too, but I want the right person not a quick arrest with no evidence. Life is not a TV show and solved in 60 mins. Let's let the process happen for a right arrest and conviction. If not we get a scenario of a police theory and trying to make the suspect fit in.
Awesome show....
Praying for the Moscow LE … they have new recruits/young officers that visualized these heinous evil crimes, I have seen a lot working in ER Trauma, but the traumatizing facts of what these blessed hearts & souls had too endure on November 13, 2022 … as a citizen only imagining what they visualized, I have no words
So instead of producing verbiage against Moscow LE … I think we need too lift them up too the throne of our creator God… for strength too endure as they process, continue on this journey seeking JUSTICE for the 4beautiful souls and their precious grieving families
Clue in FBI and all agencies who are on this journey with Moscow LE
Send a Christmas card to them. Let them know that they are lifted up in prayer. ❤
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Never thought about that, thank you for your kindness, and suggestion
I don’t reside in Idaho, S Missouri is my roots, but my sweet mama was born and raised near Moscow (she resides in Heaven now) and I have multiple kinfolk all across Idaho, Utah and Oregon
I will write a kind note in the Christmas card …
Again thank you and God Bless Moscow, ID LE .. during their journey too bring JUSTICE for these beautiful souls who were murdered in evil cold blood, God Bless their families left behind, and all the men and women in Blue are working this case
Fil Waters is the best of the best! I wish he was heading up this very sad investigation!!!
Barney Miller was one of the best written and cast sit-coms of the era. Colombo was another favorite.
too many commercial interruptions!
Premium YT is the best $12 a month you'll ever spend. No commercials anywhere.
@@FRAME5RS the content creator can determine how many commercials pop up during the video. I don’t mind a few but not constantly throughout the entire stream.
Going into a home in IDAHO is like playing Russian roulette. Except ALL the barrels are loaded but one. But this is a college town. And he got lucky. I live here in Idaho (not Moscow) and everyone is armed . In my neighborhood people have more gun safes than cars. You’re just taking your life into your hands by doing this anywhere here. This is NOT a blue state.
I think the guy knew one or all of the victims, he knew they weren’t armed and not a threat to him .
Great comment - agree 💯.
I’m thinking you’re moving very slowly in this interview, & are asking very simple basic questions that most folks understand…. These 2 gentlemen are able to answer much higher level info.
Um did this guy just disparage Die Hard? The best Christmas movie ever.
I just subscribed because your guests are tremendous and you let them speak.
I would love to hear you ask one of the investigative professional’s you have on what they think of this case possibly being connected with two other open cases, one in Oregon, and the other in Washington state.
In Oregon there was a young couple attacked at around 3am while they slept. The man was stabbed to death and the woman miraculously survived approximately 19 stab wounds. This happened about one year before these Idaho murders. High risk for the killer and similar MO.
The other case was in Washington state and a middle aged woman was killed in the same fashion while she slept in the early morning hours. This happened in 2020 I believe. The killer in both cases was never caught.
My question is do these two cases in Oregon and Washington State raise the antennas of investigators in terms of a possible serial killer committing these crimes and how much so? Thanks.
With the FBI’s involvement and their profiler’s I’m certain they’d make the connection to those murders even if they’re in two neighboring states.
True, but the woman was 71.
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71 yes. Middle aged was not an accurate description. Appreciate the correction.
We want Karmela back!!!!......tell her that all 40 million people who watch this channel, all are demanding her presence ON THE SHOW..... YUP
Please check your email or contact page. I think it’s a very interesting perspective. Thank you. Luv your Co-host Mom. Thank you to the panel for their insight and the reality of how our community wants justice on a lawful conviction.
One of the problems with this case from the beginning is that authorities assured the public that there was no danger and they had the situation under control. Because of that, citizens who had fresh and pertinent information figured that the police had whatever they needed. Now, nearly a month later, some who could have provided crucial information in the beginning are starting to come forward. Unfortunately, at this point, video tapes have been overwritten, witnesses have left the area, and other evidence may no longer be available.
I don’t understand why LE in general, not just in this case, in their first broadcast, don’t tell every business, apartment building, home with video cameras to immediately preserve all video that might be pertinent within a 50 mile radius of the crime scene and voluntarily submit it to LE.
That would throw up an extraordinary amount of video material even if they just did it for the town of Moscow (25,000±) and it would be unimaginable. Though I guess if it was all submitted (and this might be your point) then they could file it all away geographically and return to it if needed in the future rather than turn up somewhere to find out it's been deleted last week.
I'm guessing they did it for a substantial distance around the murder site and that's why the white car issue has arisen.
They say the killer is not professional, yet no clues, cold leads, no suspect....sounds pretty experienced to me!
Great guests, STS. I liked Fil's idea of getting the satellite photos.
This is good content like to have them back as this unfolds. Also not sure but haven't heard on any other sites of them reviewing video the hours before the apparent crime. I'd say if they left a certain way they wood have entered or drove in and or walked in that way maybe hours before hand. But yes this is very complex and has reeled in, in the least my concerns and of others. I think also keeping this in news the perp can't make this go away my Hope's he just turns himself or lesser chance herself in .thanks again for getting the info out.
LE doesn't need to investigate all 22,000 white Elantras, only the ones that are actually roadworthy. Which is more like 5-10.
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If the perpetrator were of wealthy means,. Anything can happen. As an example, paying off someone to get rid of a car.
Who was your favorite character on the Barney Miller show? Mine Abe Vigoda as FISH. :) I was In grade school when that show was on and FISH was most definitely my hero. Lol
Great guests as always 🙏👏🙏🎄⛄🎄⛄
Happy holidays!
I just love the Marine Term KISS. I have to remember that one and Yes Many Thanks for Your Service.💙
I feel the suspect is known to the crime scene/ victims crime of anger….. sadly.
Lives close to area
Same! I believe he's still around too. He's close, really close & he's talking A LOT.
Wouldn't there be many bloody footprints outside, yet looks pristine outside
Not necessarily. Could have firmly wiped his shoes on the carpet before leaving and blood will rapidly congeal and become absorbed in clothing and not be dripping of him. Any blood traces would likely be small and need to be carefully looked for.
Profiling is 100% necessary. The smearing of profiling in this episode is just bizarre.
I agree n I'm gonna go so far as to say this episode kind of sucks, it's a snooze fest!
Mickey + Damian chill out. No one is smearing anything. It’s not the guests expertise. We just had Ann Burgess on. Google her.
I can’t chill out if I am not excited. In my opinion, it’s clear in the beginning of the episode there was clear smearing or underrating profilings significance. Other episodes hold no weight to what is said here. No need to get sensitive about it. I just found it bizarre, simple as. You asked for comments, that’s mine.
That car also may have been seen in a TV update about the case a few days after it happened. You can definitely see a white car behind the building and up to the right through the woods.
100's of white cars in the area.. possible but small chance
Yes, i think it was seen in a local tv channel 7 report.
Is it the only car captured on video? What links it to the crime? Is it the only vehicle in the area at that specific time?
I remember that very well. Bounty hunter's was waiting in side the dealership. That shoot out was off the chain the guy they was hunting. He took out 2 people quick. The bounty lost an them. 4 drilled.
I’m sad for the people who don’t know Barn, Wojo, Harris, Fish, Nick, Levitt, Detrich, inspector Luger, etc? 💖💖💖💖💖🤣🤣🤣
The best!
Hi from 🇬🇧 UK
🇬🇧 here, too. X
Welcome!
@@SurvivingTheSurvivor thank you, really enjoying the variety of guests and your professional approach. Coming from a forensic background it’s great. Thank you!
@@kazzawright8158 great, hi, which county?
Maybe that car has a distinct mark that makes it stand out
Like blood
Missed it by a skosh. Watching on the rebound!
I'm also wondering if the killer was already in the house before the kids came home?
Cuddling the dog? Which room was he found in?
@@arielsea9087 It's just a question, don't get upset.
Full disclosure, it was the death row inmate that brought the possibility of the killer already being in the house. This is from detective Ken Mains' channel.
I've been wondering the same thing. Totally possible. There were two vacant rooms in the house.
@@cynthiaguarino2016 That's an interesting point.
I'm glad that one or more of the families have gotten attys. That helps to keep a little more control over what the families/police are releasing to the public. Also, having a atty walks the family through a process that none of us would ever want to go through.
Mr Gonclaves stated that the reason he hired a lawyer was in hopes that the lawyer will be able to put pressure on the police to force them to share more information with his family. Clearly, his reasons are purely selfish and not about being civil but to get what he wants and what he feels entitled to.
Good to see Dr.Heislit- go Bulls.
Love your mom! She's the star of the show.
My mother was from Central America and I love hearing Carmela’s accent.
She sure is
I believe that the Moscow pd put out notice that any and all businesses were asked in the beginning to provide or go through their security video.
Yes, and they probably didn't know what they were or should be looking for, not being trained in any detective/law, so they didn't think to turn in video. Unfortunately.
I am hoping that every fake wannabe detective who accuses an innocent gets sued by that person.
Have you seen former detective Ken Mains' channel, "Unsolved No More"? He works on cold cases and did The History Channel documentary on The Hunt for the Zodiac. He is currently in contact with a death row inmate at San Quentin who interacts with serial killers x 40 years.
Just watched that. Exactly my theory.
Yes..great podcast
Yep,he is great👍
He lost me as he is elevating a brutal murderer who is a sociopath masquerading as a "profiler" . Both guys are just out for themselves. Please see Pat Browns latest video on this. She explains why its wrong what hes doing.
@@1ACL Fair enough, but I want to believe Bill is sincere in wanting to help with the Cold Cases as a way to help in paying back to society. Even if he is insincere, he certainly has some great insight because of being housed amongst the most psyco-of inmates. SQ is not for the weak.
Let's not make this more complicated
Hi and I hope that Your are having a great day. Many Thanks once again for covering this Case and being above All respectul and empathetic towards the Families and Victims which is paramount. Once again You have 2 more fascinating and experienced Guests who are answering questions in a factual manner and indeed are experts in their fields.💙💔💔💔💔🙏🙏🙏🙏
How do you manage to get such good guests? You're only missing John Kelly now?
Steven Cohen is our secret sauce. We worked together at Fox News.
Anyone judging this fathers actions!!! SHAME ON YOU!
SHAME ON STEVE GONCLAVES FOR DISRESPECTING THE MOSCOW PD
I came in late. My question would be if the house was a party house and many weekends there were people going in and out how difficult would it be to find suspect DNA and wouldn't a defense atty argue that point?
Hello guys,
So in my opinion I think this guy planned this out very well. He wasn’t hiding in the house due to his surveillance he knew party house and the girls could possibly bring home friends to party after the bar. So he came in from back door, front door to risky escape route same way. He did it alone. Frat boys would have squeeled by now on each other especially with these seasoned FBI guys. Also he knew quiet little town not top notch police (sorry) to investigate 4 homicides. He wasn’t expecting this to be nationwide news so he’s nervous but ditched the Elantra by now. IMO
Thank you
There's a chance that the Elantra just happened to be in the area. From some of the insights offered by national media, the killer had planned this crime, waited for the opportunity and pulled it off, It could very well be that the killer waited in the woods behind the house for the lights to go out and everyone fall asleep before entering the house and killing 4 people. Apparently the best escape route was out the back way, along a short train by a fenced in house and come out on a road less traveled and made his escape. No witnesses no motive.
@@johnadams5489imo it’s likely he will do this again. His rage was too intense. Alot of uncontrollable rage. Probably just 1 or 2 victims at a time not 4 anymore too risky. I hope you guys catch him before he does. Lots of prayers. Thank you for all you do. God Bless
I agree with You nonhardened Frat Boys Roomates and other obvious Suspects would have cracked by now.
That old lady is giving me the creeps just standing there
I believe this monster was injured. Someone out there knows if someone who has a hand wound!!! How dare you cover for this “thing” ! You NEED to report this immediately!!
If they have noticed...they may be in fear as well. But let's hope!
Keep helping the suspect. Keep giving him ways to escape! Good job!
I lived outside of Houston in Pasadena and LaPort for almost 7 years from mid 80s to 92.