The Sonic and Sega All Stars Racing Retrospective

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  • Опубліковано 25 гру 2024

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  • @AstralKat
    @AstralKat  Рік тому +21

    Thank for watching the 3K special everyone, as I said in the video I'm taking a week off for a mental health reset so I'll see you all in 2 weeks with a new upload!
    You can join the discord server here! - discord.gg/NCD44sMRD8

  • @LeopoldLitchenstein
    @LeopoldLitchenstein Рік тому +55

    4:30 I can't hate on Danica's inclusion, if only because she helped fund the game. Apparently she was such a huge SEGA fan that she wanted to be immortalized in the game, so it's nice that they did it.
    Her model is kinda rough, though

    • @AstralKat
      @AstralKat  Рік тому +21

      Ahh, okay. That definitely makes her inclusion much more warranted.

    • @SomethingBoutEclipse
      @SomethingBoutEclipse 11 місяців тому +5

      @@AstralKatstill, kinda weird for her inclusion

    • @AlfieJr18224
      @AlfieJr18224 5 місяців тому +2

      ​@@SomethingBoutEclipseyeah

    • @MTHEDGEHOG
      @MTHEDGEHOG 4 місяці тому +1

      I don't mind it.

    • @silhouettoofaman2935
      @silhouettoofaman2935 3 місяці тому +1

      Ah, so it's a lot like Michael Jackson's inclusion in the Space Channel 5 games! That's pretty cool!

  • @EggoBoi
    @EggoBoi 4 місяці тому +12

    Fun fact: In Japan only, the pufferfish item in Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed is replaced with a Garbage Puyo from Puyo Puyo. It does the same thing, but it makes it stick out like a sore thumb, being the only franchise related item in that game.

  • @Goofyboxer
    @Goofyboxer Рік тому +100

    We need some modder to add the missing racers in the shift to Transformed to OG Sega all star racing, I will pray every night until it happens lol

    • @justinterry7853
      @justinterry7853 Рік тому +9

      The fact that this wasn't even something done before is a shame

    • @Sammyz_Official
      @Sammyz_Official 6 місяців тому +7

      My dear chu chus stuck in the og game 😔

    • @Goofyboxer
      @Goofyboxer 6 місяців тому

      @@Sammyz_Official fr

    • @slayer_west
      @slayer_west 4 місяці тому +6

      in general i wish both games had a bigger modding scene, both games have such massive potential

  • @veemon355
    @veemon355 7 місяців тому +10

    My comments on all 3 games:
    All-stars racing:
    - Pretty hype about it when the game announces. Most of the tracks are fun to race at.
    - Each character feels unique.
    - The character stats are unbalanced. Some characters have better stats when compared, like AiAi is a weak version of Sonic. In CPU matches, those with high handling always performs better than the rest. You can snake drift the whole track with them in endless boost if done correct. Using those with low accel and handling gets lots of disadvantages.
    Transformed:
    - A huge step up in track design and mechanic. It's so fun that I never feel bored play this game.
    - World tour is fun. Some events provide challenges.
    - The character stats look balance at the beginning, but then you'll realize the unlockable characters are mostly boost type character and they'll dominate almost half of the roster. Also when can to high level plays, boost characters seems to be a lot better than others.
    - Also pretty sad at Billy Hatcher not making the final cut to the roster.
    TSR:
    - A degenerated game compared to the previous 2. 9 out of 21 tracks are reused tracks? For real?
    - Story mode feels meh and forced, like everything are just mixed into a package with not much meaning.
    - 15 characters are too little. They could have characters outside the story mode, like the Riders series.
    - Team mechanic feels fun, but doesn't feel impactful to the overall game. Speed type characrers like Sonic and Shadow are obviously a lot better than the rest.
    - After finishing the game, I don't find myself replaying it again alone. Even I play online with my friends and communities, we only play the races with the team mechanic turned off, rather that playing what the game is trying to sell.
    Overall: Transformed > All-stars > TSR

  • @Bassnaut93
    @Bassnaut93 Рік тому +13

    In reference to the point about Transformed and its items. That game has the best overall item and combat design. The powerups are robust and nuanced. They allow for a good deal of application, while retaining a strong degree of player agency. Being that just about all powerups have some form of counterplay. Such as boost escaping from drones. Swarm is a skill based 1st place seeker. It doesnt guarantee a hit, rather it can impede the frontrunners flow heavily. Tbh, Quake from TSR is a much better take on the item.
    Such skill based design philosophies are also present in games like Blur, where some of the dev team for Transformed actually came from.
    Fan games such as Sonic Robo Blast 2 Kart also has a skill based approach to item/combat design.

  • @SSASR_Central
    @SSASR_Central Рік тому +36

    This was a very interesting take on the All-Stars Racing games. Shared some similar thoughts here I had toward them, characters having unique tricks in the first game for example. Course & Character representation in the first game is really something I wish they had expanded on considering they had released Metal Sonic DLC with Egg hangar. ~ SB_Crimson

    • @justinterry7853
      @justinterry7853 Рік тому +1

      The tricks are what made each of the characters stand out and maybe can show off what their personality/capabilities are

  • @brendenrichardson7109
    @brendenrichardson7109 Рік тому +10

    Genuinely great vid as always! I think this is a great idea for a subscriber milestone. Going back to your previous work and both updating it based on your current feelings, as well as touching on points you didn't cover in the original is a really great video concept! Although I've never really played any of these games, the way you talk about them makes me genuinely interested and invested in them. Hopefully we can get another sonic racing game that lives up to all-stars someday!

  • @dwaitley24
    @dwaitley24 Рік тому +7

    Hey, your videos are awesome!!! It always surprises me what people pay attention to in a casual vs. a speedrunning sense. It’s awesome seeing so much content for all stars racing in 2023!

    • @AstralKat
      @AstralKat  Рік тому +1

      Glad you like the content!

  • @TweezersUnlimited
    @TweezersUnlimited Рік тому +17

    Man its great to see how far this game has come considering I still only use the original release and it's fun as-
    OH MY GOD IS THAT DANICA PATRICK

  • @Destroyers007
    @Destroyers007 Рік тому +3

    im glad i found someone who likes this game as much as i do!

  • @soupzz_
    @soupzz_ 6 місяців тому +4

    take a shot everytime they say “genuinely” “honestly” or “actually”

  • @hitwid
    @hitwid Рік тому +6

    I would be happy if there was similar game to that legendary game that also has unique ultimates and stuff.

  • @sandman8920
    @sandman8920 Рік тому +2

    Just played this for the first time and I mad I didn’t play it sooner! It’s fantastic 😊

  • @ericclass8441
    @ericclass8441 2 місяці тому

    Funny little note for the first game. They made a side comic showing exactly why Sonic is forced to use a car like everyone else. Because when he didn't he won the race a few seconds after the 'go' signal went green.

  • @naoufalmtioui8236
    @naoufalmtioui8236 9 місяців тому +1

    i would say the first is the GOAT

  • @TwoManyPlushies
    @TwoManyPlushies 16 годин тому

    Great video and you really have told your opinion from a better and calmer perspective from your point of view instead of raging at the game like some people do, if those games were on a tier list here’s my list:
    Sonic & All Stars Racing Transformed: 1st: did improve on the original formula, added more Sega characters but I’ll admit they could’ve at least added 2 more Sonic characters, you can choose your mod for every racer.
    Sonic & Sega All Stars Racing: 1st & 2nd: OG Game, I missed the taunts that was in this game, overall this game was so much fun.
    Team Sonic Racing: 4th: just my personal opinion they need to add Sega representatives, it’s only Sonic characters which I really hated but had fun, could’ve been better.
    Sonic Racing Crossroads: ?: hopefully they re add Sega representatives and more Sonic characters.

  • @Chun-believable
    @Chun-believable 5 місяців тому

    You had my heart at Gum and MeeMee. I was surprised to not see you mention Cream being replaced in TSR.

  • @silhouettoofaman2935
    @silhouettoofaman2935 3 місяці тому

    In terms of track design, All-Stars Transformed easily outshines the rest of the trilogy. In service of the transforming vehicles, most of the tracks in the game evolve as the laps go on. Stunning set pieces are revealed, themes and routes change, and some chunks of the track get blown up, forcing you to take to the water and/or skies; and some tracks like Dragon Canyon even work all these things in one 3-lap succession! Sumo Digital had some incredible, out-of-the-box thinking when it came to track design here, even if not to characterization. This much cannot and shall not be denied!

  • @freddy_is_thetruth
    @freddy_is_thetruth Рік тому +5

    They included Ralph to promote

  • @mouaznawras
    @mouaznawras 8 місяців тому

    transformed will always be my favorite out of the trilogy because of its gameplay that encourage you to always going to the top speed with drift boost/flips the only problem with it is that it doesn't scream confidence like the prequel did.

  • @dinklebum
    @dinklebum Рік тому +14

    You should definitely rate the different cars or vehicles from each game! Definitely some potential for another list there :D

    • @AstralKat
      @AstralKat  Рік тому

      That could get kind of difficult with Team sonic Racings customization mechanic, but I would certainly love to return to this trilogy again one day

  • @gabrielortiz308
    @gabrielortiz308 Рік тому +7

    We seriously need a new game. I won't rest until I get my Sonic & Sega All-Stars Racing with Hatsune Miku, Ristar, Arle Nadja, Kazuma Kiryu, and many more.

  • @s1ipstream889
    @s1ipstream889 10 місяців тому

    Hey, I really liked your video : D I noticed you were playing the pc version of the first all-stars game, and wanted to point out something I only found out a few days ago. If you launch the config menu from steam and set the low detail models to four-player, the game will look a lot better, i think on par with the 360 version. Have a great day : )

  • @Mythril_YT
    @Mythril_YT Рік тому +19

    I really disagree in the character roaster department. The Sega characters SHOULD outweigh the Sonic ones and that is coming from a gigantic sonic fan. The point of the games where never to be 50% sonic and 50% non sonic characters. I would gladly take Kiryu and Ichiban from Yakuza or Joker from P5 or even hatsune miku than whatever sonic character they come up with to add. A balanced roaster comes when the love for the franchises is equal. Heck, add a huge variety of franchises and lm fine with having just Sonic. Also l am a big fan of the first game, it's nice to see some love for it.

    • @AstralKat
      @AstralKat  Рік тому +8

      I did say that the fact that more non Sega characters wasn't a bad thing, but I still stand by my thoughts that more sonic characters should have been included, being as Transformed has less sonic characters than the original game, I don't want the roster to be 50/50, i just think that they should have added more sonic characters, because at the end of the day, its a sonic game first and foremost, even say 3 or 4 more sonic characters would have made me happy enough that I wouldn't have brought it up in the first place. Glad you enjoyed the video!

    • @hyperlink0366
      @hyperlink0366 Рік тому +1

      As far as I know, there are 3 series that are used frequently: sonic, (ofc) monkey ball and… i guess the Vocaloid rhythm games as well (If u don’t know what they are, u can look them up). Every other ip Sega has created are sitting in a grave waiting another 50 years until they get revived. The only representation they have is as dlc costumes or something like that. I’m not counting total war or football manager btw, they are region specific I think

    • @Nintempo520
      @Nintempo520 Рік тому +1

      ​@@hyperlink0366 samba de amigo got a whole new sequel coming in summer on nintendo switch

    • @ShockwaveFPSStudios
      @ShockwaveFPSStudios 9 місяців тому

      ⁠@@AstralKatOther than the fact Sonic is in the title of both games, Sega All-Stars Racing and All-Stars Racing Transformed are more or less part of the SEGA Superstars series.
      I think not having a lot of Sonic characters works best, as it gives more characters (SEGA or Guest Characters) a chance to be racers. Besides, Sonic has like a ton of characters, so I think having the recurring cast is enough.

    • @SlothSandwhich
      @SlothSandwhich 2 місяці тому +1

      The guy with the forklift and motorcycle is from yakuza I think

  • @crashelshidoxd2937
    @crashelshidoxd2937 Рік тому +2

    4:33 Ayrton Seena in angry birds go

  • @corbinpyles
    @corbinpyles 10 місяців тому +1

    I love the first game better because it has rules settings for the races. If all stars racing transformed had rules settings, and if they allow you to play custom games offline single player instead of having to have another player to play custom games, then it would've been my favorite one if it had all those features I just said.

    • @ShockwaveFPSStudios
      @ShockwaveFPSStudios 9 місяців тому

      Huh, funny. because I prefer S&ASRT because of how fun it is to play, compared to S&SASR where it’s just buggy.

    • @corbinpyles
      @corbinpyles 9 місяців тому

      That's fine👍

  • @DaCaptainDerpy
    @DaCaptainDerpy Рік тому +6

    While this original game was only ok, it makes me really annoyed that Sega milks Sonic and just uses them for the future games instead.
    Like imagine how much hype a Skies of Arcadia or Billy Hatcher re release would be. (which they were in the first game before the Sonic bug took over)

  • @stuartscott2466
    @stuartscott2466 7 днів тому

    I’ve only played the first one but did buddy just say Danica Patrick. Of all the real life racers in the world, Danica Patrick. What were they thinking

  • @NoahsaturneScratch
    @NoahsaturneScratch Рік тому

    I only played the og and damn as someone who grew up with Mario Kart Wii I absoluty loved All Stars as a kid. ESPECIALY Opa-Opa, easy S tier character.

  • @Pinkanator
    @Pinkanator 9 місяців тому +3

    I'm not sure if anyone's pointed this out yet but, in the japanese release of Transformed, the Blowfish is replaced by a Garbage Puyo! It's a minor difference that adds a very large amount of charm I feel the item pool is sorely lacking. If the rest of the items were more specific like that, I think the experience would be much improved, bring back the speed shoes, make the firework a monkey ball, that sort of thing?

    • @AstralKat
      @AstralKat  9 місяців тому

      Definitely agree

    • @Pinkanator
      @Pinkanator 9 місяців тому

      @@AstralKat I'm honestly surprised no-one's modded it into the western PC release, but then noone has been too inclined to fiddle with that game in general. On a sidenote, literally just bought a 360 so I can ensure I have the definitive releases of the 2 before the store closes in july ^^;

  • @dravenmartinez6311
    @dravenmartinez6311 5 місяців тому +2

    Fun fact in the Japanese version the blowfish is replaced with garbage poyos from the poyo poyo series

    • @AstralKat
      @AstralKat  5 місяців тому +3

      Thats infinitely better than the stupid blowfish, no clue why they changed it

    • @dravenmartinez6311
      @dravenmartinez6311 5 місяців тому +2

      @AstralKat because this was before poyo poyo tetris so no one knew what poyo poyo was

  • @nikotheanubianjackal9114
    @nikotheanubianjackal9114 11 місяців тому +4

    I'm tired of pretending that marine the racoon doesnt exsist.
    She shoulda been paired with blaze and silver

  • @rockinggamerdude
    @rockinggamerdude 19 днів тому

    I like sonic all stars racing transform because of the transformer mechanic. I just wish it was used more and maybe even a modeing community.

  • @SirenChats
    @SirenChats Рік тому +2

    Good video!

  • @nullbyt
    @nullbyt Рік тому +2

    5:00 Miku gets a pass

    • @sortinglies6017
      @sortinglies6017 Рік тому +2

      Huh????

    • @crashelshidoxd2937
      @crashelshidoxd2937 Рік тому +2

      @@sortinglies6017context Hatsune Miku was going to be a Playable character in Sonic and All Stars Racing Transformed but she got scraped and replaced by Gum

  • @no4983
    @no4983 8 місяців тому

    1:18 you’ve already earned my like. We have the same favorite racing game, and the same pain of seeing it fail to be reproduced by the sequel. Who decided to remove the motorcycles🤢

  • @jasomega2446
    @jasomega2446 10 місяців тому +1

    10:35 I agree

  • @envemailer
    @envemailer 7 місяців тому +1

    i wish opa-opa made it to transformed :( they were one of sega's first mascots even predating alex kidd iirc

  • @XP9724
    @XP9724 10 місяців тому +1

    All i want is the first one to be backwards compatible like Transformed so i can play as Banjo😮‍💨😮‍💨

  • @tylermartell2023
    @tylermartell2023 7 місяців тому +1

    I would love to see another Sega and all stars racing with the addition of 6 player split screen, 70 playable racers, Xbox avatar as Xbox exclusive, Nathan Drake as PlayStation exclusive, Luigi as Nintendo Switch exclusive, 36 players online/LAN with the addition of 6 player split screen, 6 team race, 6 team battle, elimination, capture the flag, domination, and free for all race

  • @notsupesta
    @notsupesta Рік тому +1

    Recently my Wii copy of the first game broke and I'm so broken over it dude

    • @Lttaylortt
      @Lttaylortt 11 місяців тому +1

      It's on Steam on pc and it's not that much to get it

  • @SlothSandwhich
    @SlothSandwhich 2 місяці тому

    I LOVED this game, 8 loved it way better than Mario kart

  • @Yousef77077
    @Yousef77077 5 місяців тому

    Transformed is good

  • @emiliano5113
    @emiliano5113 Рік тому

    My dream is one day sumo digital will make a new kart racing like the concept art with each character in their own unique vehicle (like Sonic on foot, tails on the tornado, shadow on the bike, gilius on a dinosaur ect), personality and all star moves from the first game, mechanics and gameplay from transformed and items and remixes from team (or at least more interesting ones pulled off from each franchise). The roster should be SEGA ips only, with sonic cast being max 5 characters cause that way will give more space to obscure characters or that were cut between games

    • @AstralKat
      @AstralKat  Рік тому +1

      The only thing I disagree with is sonic on foot, I think having him in a car makes the most sense, I just think it'd be a little jarring having him running along the racecourse

  • @oshawottchannel
    @oshawottchannel 6 місяців тому +1

    4:41

  • @finaldestination12345
    @finaldestination12345 Рік тому +3

    If Sega is making other Sonic Racing game, here are the characters I want to see plus the un-Sonic character.
    Unlockable Characters:
    Sonic
    Tails
    Knuckles
    Amy
    Cream
    Big
    Shadow
    Rouge
    Omega
    Sliver
    Blaze
    Sticks
    Vector
    Charmy
    Espio
    Jet
    Wave
    Storm
    Eggman
    Metal Sonic
    Deadly Six
    AiAi
    Billy
    Beat
    Alex Kidd
    Ulala
    Amigo
    B.D Joe
    Lockable Characters:
    MeeMee
    Baby
    GonGon
    Gum
    Pudding
    Opa-Opa
    Zobio and Zobiko
    Vyse
    NiGHTS
    Reala
    Bonanza Brothers
    Ryo
    Chu Chu
    Jacky and Akira
    Gilius
    Joe Musashi
    Hatsune Miku
    Rusty Rose (Sonic Prime)
    Nine (Sonic Prime)
    Tikal
    Chaos
    Movie Sonic
    Movie Tails
    Movie Knuckles
    Movie Eggman

    • @trippzy7440
      @trippzy7440 Рік тому +1

      The bonanza brothers😢

    • @Chillguystatus
      @Chillguystatus Рік тому +2

      If we’re talking a real followup to Sonic & all-stars racing, I think we should cut down on the number of Sonic characters. Part of the joy of Sonic & allstars racing was seeing old & new Sega characters race alongside Sonic.

    • @optimuscrime1023
      @optimuscrime1023 11 місяців тому

      I’ll be honest I don’t like this list, WAAAAYYYYY too much sonic characters

    • @Chillguystatus
      @Chillguystatus 11 місяців тому

      @@optimuscrime1023 What this roster needs is a large withdrawal of Sonic characters and more room for Sega properties old & new

  • @fivejedis
    @fivejedis 4 місяці тому

    I always see people prefer Transformed and I get it, I like the transformation gimmick butthe original felt better imo. It had more personality and the karts felt good, like they had weight to them, Transformed and Team Racing just feel floaty, which personally I do not like. If they ever make another one I hope they make one true to the original.
    In a perfect world, we'd get the personality and quirkyness of the original and heavier karts with the transformed mechanic.

  • @ghost-ee7ld
    @ghost-ee7ld Рік тому +1

    U should rank all cars of each sonic racing gamr

  • @Cityofember313
    @Cityofember313 10 місяців тому

    What about the ds version

  • @starymarine
    @starymarine 8 місяців тому

    Seems to me like you are not showing the game video title suggest but one of later ones.

    • @AstralKat
      @AstralKat  8 місяців тому +1

      I'm literally talking about all three games in the video, its called a retrospective for a reason because its covering the entire trilogy and making some corrections to a much older video, maybe you should watch the vid before commenting next time

  • @angeldoyle859
    @angeldoyle859 Рік тому +2

    first!

  • @brendenrichardson7109
    @brendenrichardson7109 Рік тому +1

    Second!

  • @PilloTheStar
    @PilloTheStar 7 місяців тому +5

    I have a headcannon that team sonic racing was gonna have other sega/third party characters, but during tryouts cream the rabbit accidentally ran over wreck it ralph with her car, causing her to get fired and for other third party characters companies to pull out. This explains why cream and non-sonic characters aren't in the game, and why the ralph in wreck-it ralph 2 acts like he has brain damage.

  • @might_delete_this_channel
    @might_delete_this_channel Рік тому

    We aint gonna talk about how cream got replaced with chaos 😭