@@bayoen9819 lucky there's a backup party at all. most other dq games, that wouldve been a game over. actually idk how this is not a game over, i forgot cuz haven't played for a long time
A vicious golden girl appears! The vicious golden girl suddenly attacks! The vicious golden girl casts Kathwack! Some of the party die! The party are wiped out!
i feel like there should be a universal rule in any jrpg that instant kill spells have less priority over any other move even if the enemy speed stat is higher than the player’s it’s almost never fun imo
Played the first nine regular games and have beaten all but vi and viii(primarily due to some complexities of both)and can say I have never wiped in this fashion outside of the gold batboon's suck-rifice spells in the original nes version of Dragon Warrior ii.
But those items even in DQ7 have a 100% chance to break AFTER a death spell would normally kill you so you really better off using ARMORS that have a null/resist DEATH spell effect in the case of DQ7 only Melvin Aria Maribel can equip those angel robes buyable END of disc 1 in DQ7's case.
Kathwack is a group based kill spell since all group based skills have a ka jn them like kacrackle the odds of it going your entire party is 30'/. So yeah it's bullshit
I really wanna replay the game, but unlike the first time, where I had the entire pandemic to 100% it, I don’t have that much time luxury anymore. Maybe if I do some good managing, I can squeeze in a good chunk of progress each day.
I hate that draconian challenge so much because it doesn't separate the 'game over on hero death' and 'restart from last save on game over', the first one I want to do, but sure as hell not the second.
This is one reason i prefer action rpgs over turn based ones. If the enemy uses an overpowered instakill attack, you're screwed. You have to either be super overleveled to tank it, or hope rng lets you block or dodge it. At least in an action game you could just dodge roll.
You can use anti-instant kill spells or accessories to block them. Double up with Anti-ambush accessories or passives if the game has them. Also speaking of "dodge rolling" ... the player willfully engaged this monster because it appeared on the world map, so it's not like it was a surprise that was sprung on the party. Also why does not anyone have more agility than the monster does? Modern DQ doesn't have AGI boost stuff?
@@shirrenthewanderer414youre not gonna know that the first time you encounter this monster. And i shouldnt need extremely specific situational rare accesories just to not get BS'd.
@@OmegaChase1002"Extremely specific situational rare accessories?" You mean you just want to spam attacks and sweep it under the rug and be done with it. What would be the point of random encounters then?
@@OmegaChase1002 'instakill bullshit" is part of a strategy game... IF the game gives you the means to deal with it. I don't know about DQ4 onward, but there are two instants of instant death that infuraite me... the Dark Elves in the Ice Cave in FF1, if you encounter them they will surprise you 75% of the time and drop multiple Fire3/Bane spells on you that will 1RKO your party, and this is the last dungeon before the airship, where you could have gotten the ProtectRings, and then DQ2, where the last section has Silver and Gold Batboons that have AoE Defeat and Sacrifice that can wipe out your party right after getting out of a VERY long maze.
Ah yes.
OP when the enemy uses it.
But useless when i use it
the only time instakills work is
a: when you got nothing left to lose and use it *
b: when an enemy uses it
u need to use it against a large group of enemies example luminary trials
"some of the party die"
*entire party dies*
(not the backup party)
@@bayoen9819 lucky there's a backup party at all. most other dq games, that wouldve been a game over. actually idk how this is not a game over, i forgot cuz haven't played for a long time
Erik: *THATS FOR BEING AN ASS*
A vicious golden girl appears!
The vicious golden girl suddenly attacks!
The vicious golden girl casts Kathwack!
Some of the party die!
The party are wiped out!
the Party: Oh yayyy! It's the metal hand!
The metal hand: i should use kathwack to not let them get my xp.
The revival spell has a 50% chance to work.
Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure.
That time it failed 4 times in a row must have been my imagination
i feel like there should be a universal rule in any jrpg that instant kill spells have less priority over any other move even if the enemy speed stat is higher than the player’s
it’s almost never fun imo
Thank god this spell isn't in smash
Imagine if it was though..
It would be like an auto-homing PK thunder, multiple of them.
Sakurai plays dragon quest like the rest of Japan and probably experienced the same shit in dq4 etc.
Fr
Just happened to me but with Pandora’s box instead
Kiryl’s having a meltdown over this, I bet.
Played the first nine regular games and have beaten all but vi and viii(primarily due to some complexities of both)and can say I have never wiped in this fashion outside of the gold batboon's suck-rifice spells in the original nes version of Dragon Warrior ii.
This shenanigans is why bounce exists
The player did not have an opportunity to use bounce
shenanigans like this is why Dieamends exists. Item that prevent instant death while in character inventory.
@@johngeralt good save. I always have my characters hold one
But those items even in DQ7 have a 100% chance to break AFTER a death spell would normally kill you so you really better off using ARMORS that have a null/resist DEATH spell effect in the case of DQ7 only Melvin Aria Maribel can equip those angel robes buyable END of disc 1 in DQ7's case.
@@johngeralt OHHH IN INVENTORY?! Oh yeah that thing's not an equippable 😂 literacy has left me
Im sorry that was fking hilarious xD knowing me, I'd be mad as hell cuz hate my my main character or fav character dies
Ok 1 what are the odds of that? And 2 I'M SORRY WHAT?!
Kathwack is a group based kill spell since all group based skills have a ka jn them like kacrackle the odds of it going your entire party is 30'/. So yeah it's bullshit
It's much more fun on Draconian Questlines when you have to start back at your save point. DQXI One of the greatest time sinks of all time.
I really wanna replay the game, but unlike the first time, where I had the entire pandemic to 100% it, I don’t have that much time luxury anymore. Maybe if I do some good managing, I can squeeze in a good chunk of progress each day.
I hate that draconian challenge so much because it doesn't separate the 'game over on hero death' and 'restart from last save on game over', the first one I want to do, but sure as hell not the second.
Luckily that this did not happen during boss fights, or else it will be very irritating.
I hope you learned your lesson
I always got at least one character with whack immunity just for this stuff
This is why I specifically geared everyone in my party with protection against insta death hats.
Farming MP seeds from these dudes... Jesus.
I love this game
Jesus
lmao
This is one reason i prefer action rpgs over turn based ones.
If the enemy uses an overpowered instakill attack, you're screwed. You have to either be super overleveled to tank it, or hope rng lets you block or dodge it.
At least in an action game you could just dodge roll.
You can use anti-instant kill spells or accessories to block them. Double up with Anti-ambush accessories or passives if the game has them. Also speaking of "dodge rolling" ... the player willfully engaged this monster because it appeared on the world map, so it's not like it was a surprise that was sprung on the party. Also why does not anyone have more agility than the monster does? Modern DQ doesn't have AGI boost stuff?
@@shirrenthewanderer414youre not gonna know that the first time you encounter this monster. And i shouldnt need extremely specific situational rare accesories just to not get BS'd.
@@OmegaChase1002"Extremely specific situational rare accessories?" You mean you just want to spam attacks and sweep it under the rug and be done with it. What would be the point of random encounters then?
@@shirrenthewanderer414 no i just dont want instakill bullshit in my strategy game.
@@OmegaChase1002 'instakill bullshit" is part of a strategy game... IF the game gives you the means to deal with it. I don't know about DQ4 onward, but there are two instants of instant death that infuraite me... the Dark Elves in the Ice Cave in FF1, if you encounter them they will surprise you 75% of the time and drop multiple Fire3/Bane spells on you that will 1RKO your party, and this is the last dungeon before the airship, where you could have gotten the ProtectRings, and then DQ2, where the last section has Silver and Gold Batboons that have AoE Defeat and Sacrifice that can wipe out your party right after getting out of a VERY long maze.