AMD R7 7700X CPU review: ua-cam.com/video/LJeEd7_Cv90/v-deo.html AMD R9 7900X CPU review: ua-cam.com/video/s04TOQkzv3c/v-deo.html AMD R9 7950X CPU review: ua-cam.com/video/nRaJXZMOMPU/v-deo.html AMD R5 7600X CPU review: ua-cam.com/video/JM-twyjfYIw/v-deo.html And general specs on the AMD Zen 4 CPUs: ua-cam.com/video/hVnJbiYOCq4/v-deo.html
Nitrogen narcosis is caused by very high concentrations of nitrogen in the blood which require pressures higher than atmospheric to achieve (eg. under water/rapture of the deep). The bends (bubbles in blood) happen when you saturate your blood with nitrogen at one pressure then lower the pressure so it comes out of solution. Asphyxiation from lack of oxygen is what occurs when Nitrogen levels are too high under normal atmospheric pressure.
@@purplemonkeydishwasher6849 Speak for yourself buddy, maybe next time just put I don't care if you want to be rude, but trying to speak for all of us is frankly quite assumptuous and rude
Asphyxiation from a high nitrogen environments is actually incredibly dangerous. You body doesn’t know it needs oxygen, it only knows if it has too much CO2. So if you’re breathing nitrogen, you’re still breathing out CO2. So you can asphyxiate and pass out before you ever know you’re not breathing oxygen.
Nitrogen Narcosis isn't a problem at normal pressures, it is only really a concern when breathing pressurized gasses (Like when scuba diving). In normal conditions, adding a bunch of nitrogen to the air displaces the oxygen, so you suffocate.
@@GamersNexus When you say "Just", what do you mean? You seem to be a human in peril of death in the video. As an example of why workers safety is first than the show: ua-cam.com/video/SU4NUARNXt0/v-deo.html Yesterday on a Science Fair in my country the inoffensive LN2 in the expert hand of two stuntmants caused 18 wounded people in a big explosion when it mixed with water.
Hypoxia.... Or more commonly called suffocation. As you said ^^ lack of oxygen leading to cognitive dysfunction, unconsciousness, permanent brain damage then death.
Just gotta say this is one of the best channels of UA-cam, everything yall do is very well done and enjoyable to watch. Keep up the good work Steve and team.
I know you're memeing about the guy at the garage handing a flashlight "helping", but that's literally how apprentices become masters - by being around masters for an extended period of time and observing. Take pride in shadowing.
Love the use of the QMFS. I've been using that system since I upgraded my sisters system to 96mb of ram in the early 00's and decided she probably needed more than one fan in the system (Twist ties for the win)
I had a AMD Turion 64 X2 (way back in 2007), and the thing ran hot as hell...The cooling system on that HP laptop was a disaster and it ran most of its life way above 80/90ºC...it worked fine up to 119ºC and then would just shutdown.. When doing anything a bit demanding the temps would be easily around the 110/115ºC mark... The CPU was just fine doing that..the PC died after 11 years of use..and what failed was the nVidia 7150M "GPU"...the CPU was still working just fine. Sure, it was (i think) 65nm, not 5, mas I wouldn't be to concerned about the impact of 95ºC on CPU life..
I feel you. I used to have hp laptop with AMD CPU around the same time (the one in black with chrome trim. Can't remember the specs. Probably DV2 model.) Hot as hell.
1:31:12 You look like you're SUPER happy to be doing this OC live event.. I enjoy your enjoyment of the OC tonight.. I don't have the means to be able to get into the XOC myself, I just run an AIO and let AMD OC for me, but it works.. I'm on an x470 board with 2600x, I'm probably going to just stick with my ASUS board and upgrade to the 5800x3d when the price (if) comes down a little.. I have 32gb of 3200 ram and it's good, I don't really think I absolutely NEED pice4, pc is quick and I have SAM with my 5700xt already (which I was very surprised ASUS gave that to us with the x470-f gaming MB) But I do think a faster CPU would really really make my system smoke again. I was top 10% when I build it, I bought the 2600x when it was released, got lucky on the price.. Anyway I'm super happy to get a chance to live through Steve OC this amazing new processor!
I upgraded from a 2700x to a 5950x on my MSI x470 board when the processor dropped below $600 and went to 64gig ram. It has been a great all arounder for me as I game, video edit, music, stream, etc. waiting from GPU prices to drop a bit more when the new AMD and Nvidia cards come out. Looking at a 6750xt or 3070ti as both have versions that would actually fit in my case and have a 1000watt PSU which is plenty to run them. Have zero interest in the new GPU's as the new PSU requirements version 3.0 power supply and having a mini fusion power plant installed in the back yard to run it plus cranking up the A/C in the house to help keep it cool at well. :)
A friend of mine is using a X370 Crosshair VI hero with a 5800X3D, he upgraded from 2600X as well and it works really well. I however have jumped from a 2600X to a 12700K. Either way, it's a huge jump in performance and lower power consumption in normal use case, at least for me.
@@williamshoemake9578 So I got, if you think they're worth it, lucky in June of 2020 I got the xfx triple dissipation 5700xt for $369 on the jungle website. Literally a month or so before the explosion. I went from a Sapphire rx580 8gb, the+ version, anyway I fell into that.. this was my first build in years (I started actually in the 80s with a 386 sx as my first build) but most of the 2ks ran laptops and I had an upgraded Dell for years.. anyway I think staying with what I have and going 5800x3d and possibly rdna3 when it comes down, I'm just thrilled the amount of time AMD has supported AM4!
all that matters for coolers is how many watts. Fo anyone wondering what coolers are going to handle these use the higher end fx chips as a stand in. They ran at about the same power as these.
The Leidenfrost effect happens that keeps LN2 from causing damage to your skin. A small layer of steam forms preventing the LN2 from directly touching your skin. My chemistry professor also advocated for not wearing gloves as it provides a false sense of security/safety.
@@joshjlmgproductions3313 We're no longer in that era. The IPC of 12th and 13th gen match, if not surpass their Zen 3 and 4 counterparts. GHz does matter here.
33:30 about this whole "nitrogen is in the air so its safe" so it's basicly neutral in air - it is there but doesn't do anything to You. The problem is by adding it more (liquid N2 evaporates) You are lowering percentage of oxygen in the air and that is the risk. The same logic applies to any other not toxic gas(like CO2). Edit: it's not the same as scuba diving, the pressure difference is the problem there. When You are diving the pressure in the water increases as You are going deeper so You need higher pressure in Your oxygen tank to be able to breathe. If You are comming to the surface to quickly air pressure in Your body doesn't have enough time to drop and it's starting to expand and tearing the tissue(the same as the helium ballon if You let it fly away and rise where the air pressure is lower)
yes, 100% atmosphere, how much is nitrogen how much is oxygen. we are normally in around 20% oxygen, around 80% nitrogen and trace amounts of various others. trace is like 1%. so i dont see people dying of too much nitrogen, but like you said, lack of oxygen. adding more nitrogen into your work area pushes that % up above 80%, which is the next gas that gets pushed out? most noticeably oxygen.
I really like how AMD has taken out all the potential user error with automatic voltage regulation. Things like golden samples and cooling all likely still apply ( assuming they aren't all golden samples at this point ). Case airflow and liquid cooling = overclock is a cool concept. The X3D versions of these CPU's are going to be monsters with this overclock concept.
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The issue with liquid N2 without proper ventilation is that it'll displace all the oxygen in the room at some point, and you'll die from asphyxiation. If the percentage of oxygen in the air is 10% or less it can result in death, and anything less than 19% concentration can cause headaches, dizziness, vomiting, etc. Normal air has 21% oxygen, so you don't have too many percentage points to play with in a closed environment.
i was using LN2 in a small closet and I'm fine besides the creatures that randomly pop in and out of existence in my peripheral vision; they are always watching and commenting, like youtube viewers.
@@purplemonkeydishwasher6849 As Steve says, he's in a large and well ventilated room, so there's always fresh air coming in to replace the oxygen he's breathing and keep the nitrogen from accumulating. He's just really bad at explaining what sort of precautions to take and why you need to take them.
_"The issue with liquid N2 without proper ventilation is that it'll displace all the oxygen in the room at some point, and you'll die from asphyxiation."_ Thanks for the tip! 🤗
So I went to JPL and a NASA engineer explained to me that cooling in a vacuum is actually quite a challenge. This is why you see NASA sending up space planes to test new vapor chamber designs. Yes space is cold but its difficult to move heat around in a vacuum due to the lack of a medium. They basically use massive heat syncs and vapor chambers to cool things in space. Unlike a PC they will do things like run heat pipes to the internal chassis and put giant a heat sync on the outside of the space craft. In any case you could just build a cooling chamber like they do for "quantum computers" and it would cost less and be more effective.
I installed a GT 730 in a computer from over 10 years ago. It helped a lot with things like league of legends. A gaming GPU though... I would not call it that. League at 1080p is 55-65 FPS. The start of the first game of the day sometimes has hard glitching at the start of the game but is gone within 5 min of the first game.
Still blows my mind that a 7950X at 5.5Ghz completely wrecked Intel's CB 12900K 7Ghz+ record with minimal tuning. Insane the jumps in IPC that AMD has had in the last couple generations, these chips are absolute MONSTERS. Can't wait to see the 7000 series GPUs & what they can do.
@@jaylapointe1654 vs 8... and 8 little cores also there doing nothing? but for the next gen 13900k, 8 big 16 small cores probably going to 7 ghz again to wreck the amd chip...
The port80 codes or debug codes as you describe them. Actually aren't just a 7 segment display. They actually require a chip that will decode the io port 80 and then display data written there. So you will need an Isa,pci,lpc,pcie chip, fpga or something on the board that can decode that. So yes they do cost more and more as time goes on. As the busses you can use for them get more and more costly to use.
it is only really a concern when breathing pressurized gasses (Like when scuba diving). In normal conditions, adding a bunch of nitrogen to the air displaces the oxygen, so you suffocate. love you
Liquid nitrogen has a melting point (evap point) of -196 celsius / -321 farenheit so when its put in any environment thats warmer then its liquid form it evaporates into a gas.
8700k and 1080ti, asus prime mobo. Which should I upgrade first? Now 3080s are affordable I was hoping that? Unsure if the 8700k bottlenecks a 3080? Or lack of ddr5 means i cant get 4000 series so upgrade mobo etc. It barely runs cyberpunk on lower settings. But has heaps of coilwhine when it does.
Depends your games that you play. I just upgraded 9700k(4.9ghz all core) to 12700kf(5.3ghz all p-core and 4.3ghz e-core) and gpu remein same 1080ti. I play rust, cs go and games that are more cpu heavy than gpu and gained allmost douple fps at everything. Generally i think gpu is better to be bottleneck than cpu.
If I were you, I'd buy a 3080. I have one and it runs 1440p Elden Ring Ultra and Cyberpunk Ultra with raytracing at about 65 fps. Not sure how much your CPU will bottleneck it though, I run a 3800x Ryzen
i have never understood why evga or msi have never made a real ln2 Oc board, one pci express slot at the far end of the board, no passive components on the top side of the motherboard chipset and mosfets on underside too, so basically you would have a cpu socket ram slots and a pci slot on the board nothing to spoil. for a firm like evga etc its really easy to do with multi layer boards, the best bit is you could charge what you liked for it, and ln2 users would buy it.
Oxygen displacement is a bigger issue than narcosis at normal pressure, which will cause you to suffocate. "Air" might be mostly nitrogen, but your body's circulatory system is used to 95-100% oxygen saturation. If it drops below that, it QUICKLY becomes dangerous.
Just a thought, If the processor is designed to work most effectively at a temp of 90/95 then cooling it below that point becomes counter intuitive as it will always try to raise it's temp to the designed optimum which in itself requires more power just to heat it up.
I'm not sure how much it will cost you but you absolutely can test a payload in the vacuum of space mounted to the outside of the space station, it's called an ELC/EXPCA (Express Logistics Carrier/Express Carrier Avionics). There are four of these racks mounted on the outside of the station with each supporting up to 2 payloads. Mostly NASA and Universities are the ones sending science payloads to the station, I'm not sure if you need a specific scientific mission that NASA has to agree upon or if you can just sign up and foot the bill to send anything up, but I'm sure you could make it happen if you really wanted. I think there's probably a bit of a waiting list at the moment though.
Steve don't forget to test the new ECO mode on the Ryzens 7000, the 105W mode looks insane, stop making a fool of yourself by talking about 95C and high power draw when there is clearly a solution
I got the last Arctic desk fan on amazon even though it took a month to get its a badass little fan. I use either to keep cathair or we- uh vape from my dreamachine works great in tandem with a levoit core 400s air purifier. They create a wall of air to protect my o11 Evo intakes, or i twist it to my workstation for soldering or keep dust and shmoo off delicate cpus/mobos. Careful it can hurt quite a bit even on lowest setting. OO also if aimed in the back of your docked Steamdeck (not right on it) will allow clocks to boost 2-5%. If you can find something like that its very good unlike my novel 12v to usb noctua's. Loved this when it first came out, i just got my 5950X at peak performance hitting 31k on R23 with new msi x570-s Ace Max . Undervolt and pbo not All core ratio clock! Thanks GN love the new coasters and skelly shirts!
Guys, we hear a lot about bottle necks when trying to get the best FPS etc. I've never seen a vidoe on how your average gamer can find out where thier systems is bottlenecked Please fix this asap. : )
If semiconductor manufacturers develop tunnel diode logic ICs, they get a speed power product 100,000 times better than CMOS. One problem is that the 300mm slices need to be flat within 2 atoms.
I don't think you can use temperature as an input variable like you would in other overclocking. To measure heat dissipation you want to know how many watts you're throwing into the system while holding the temperature level. Since liquid nitrogen overclocking usually has dynamic temperature AND your controlling temp with a torch, keeping a level temp while measuring power isn't valid. One option would be some controlled addition of liquid nitrogen keeping the temperatures as stable as possible. The problem is throttling happens at the upper limit. Obviously it's easier to make it into a sport and just look for top end results, but for actual analytics, you'd need more control. By the way, you'd have two ways to check against each other. Evaporation of a volume of liquid nitrogen is in watts, and stable temperature power input is in watts.
Temperature - "a human readable representation of energy" @53:20 I had to un-think a lot to figure that one out! Like needing a propane torch...because your ln2 is too cold...hilarious! Hey it works!
I want to get a good idea for how much i should explain on the liquid nitrogen on the setup side? yes or no? do you want me to explain more about the setup? or do u want us to just start? yes is do you want to learn more about this?
I think I missed it. But are you guys gonna do direct die ln2 externe oc? Der 8auer saw normal usage temps drop about 20°c I imagine you could get better scores that way to with LN² to. Nonetheless this channel is great. I always look forward to this content when new tech drops. It's a given that Steve and the rest of GN team get thier LN² stock back up and give us this. A masterpiece of content.
Man youtube needs to let people know when this stuff happens. I think i was actually at micro center buying one of these when you started the stream. I need to know what "cooler" (lets face it, 7000 series needs a continuous supply of ln2) to pair with this thing. My theory is 360 minimum. 420 may just take longer to get to 95c. Sometimes i would just like to flip the mobo into a mount of snow and call it a day.
its probably impossible to get it off of 95C using any type of ambient temperature cooler. by design. the 95 means nothing its how many watts you want to remove.
@@ndgoliberty ya especially when everything is tied to temperature. Great way to freak out your customer base, kinda like how 100c+ is totally fine for gddr6x ...ook? 😕
There is the ability to manually undervolt it or turn eco mode on to keep power draw low, heat generation low, and stay near the performance of not doing either. Eco mode does tend to slightly drop performance for vastly lower power draw (like 65 watts or 105 vs 170 to 250 watts). As for the manual undervolting, I have heard that there is a video showing how to do it and that it can sometimes increase performance.
Overclocking a pc in space would be even harder without a medium like air or water to carry the excess heat away. Dealing with waste heat is one of the biggest problems in space which is why they have to be so careful about facing things they don't want to get hot away from the sun because once they heat up they only way to get rid of the excess heat is to let it radiate away which is really slow.
a PC in the vacuum of space would overheat VERY quickly. Yes space is cold, but it's also a vacuum, and most cooling relies on moving some stuff (usually air or water) over hot surfaces to carry heat away. There's nothing in space to carry the heat away.
Pretty sure it's in celsius. Even in the united states when it comes to PC and even more to extreme overclocking, CPU (and other components) temperatures are in Celsius. So, yes, this CPU is at past ice cold temperatures !! (Hence the frost everywhere) PS I'm french
Overclocking is space is a BAD idea. Simple reason: even if you can block off the crazy hot sunlight (remember, no atmosphere to absorb any of that), no air means no airflow! Cooling will be radiation-only and very inefficient. The plus side is that finally a 'radiator' is the right name for the cooler.
@@GewelReal Well technically yes, but by how much. For example how does the clock speed compare between a 360mm AIO / 240mm AIO / expensive air cooler / budget air cooler. That would be a really interesting comparison.
Crazy thing is, if you accidentally replace all the oxygen in the room with Nitrogen your body won't warn you about the asphyxiation until it is too late, because we are so accustomed to breathing nitrogen.
It's because the human body is extremely sensitive to the carbonic acid that builds up in the bloodstream from too much CO2 . Most other gases (helium, nitrogen, etc.) will NOT create carbonic acid, so your body wouldn't know you are asphyxiating until you go hypoxic and pass out.
You're half right. Our bodies only notice when we exhale Carbon Dioxide not when we take in Oxygen. What that means is when you go into a room with very little or no oxygen you're body would still think it's fine because you would still be exhaling Carbon Dioxide despite the potentially dire circumstances. Additionally that means that we cannot accurately tell what we're breathing at any given time.
@@alfredooliva5175 It takes less than a minute of breathing pure nitrogen to knock a person unconscious due to lack of oxygen, and everything seems normal except it gets exponentially harder to think, until you stop thinking......
I'm upgrading to the amd 7600x. Is their an improvement over the 3600x? I have a 3080 non overclocked gpu. I wonder if their is a improvement, or is the 3600x good enough for the 3080?
The Board I'm going to use. Will be the asus prime x670e pro, Ram 6000mhz ddr5, the rest of my old system will be the rest. Is this a good improvement.
7600x is a significant upgrade from the 3600x, almost 30% IPC gain. the 3600x is definitely 'good enough' for the 3080 but some performance may be left on the table. Not very much though, 3000 series was solid, I have a 3800x and a 5600x and prefer the 3800x.
@@joshjlmgproductions3313 I impulse bought it already and a asus Stix 670e-a board with ddr5 6000 waaaay overkill I think I wanted cheaper board but didn't like their looks so I have a motherboard that costs more than the cpu I guess the saving grace is I can upgrade if they come out with a 3d variant
In 6 months no one will be complaining about AM5 total costs anymore. RAM, boards and CPUs will all be lower in price. Only expensive parts will be GPUs and Gen5 SSDs
Isn't it possible to use nitro, in a custom loop water cooler? Manufacturers from AIOs and custom water loops, are going to do something, now that we know 13th gen Intel's dies also going to be very hot, if you see the specs?
7700X is stuck in a weird spot, just like the 5800X. I think it will become relevant when the 7800X3D release, price can go down a tiny bit at that time to justify its existence.
Thanks Steve for the advice on OCP regarding the ThreadRipper Pro 5995WX and dual RTX 4090 build. A bit sad, I had hoped not to need 2 cables to the wall (and to avoid the extra weight 😅), but so be it. I knew it was going to be close to the limit... Thoughts on Corsair AX1600i vs EVGA SuperNOVA 1600W for the first one? I'm going based off 400W for the TRP using PBO, and an 800W spike from one 4090, plus motherboard, RAM, 9 fans and a pump. A smaller ~800W for the other 4090... or perhaps a 1300W and an additional 3090Ti, given that I would have a lot of potential power headroom 🤔 Might start to strain a bit the cooling capacity of the 3x360mm rad custom loop setup that'll fit in my O11D-XL though. 😅 Edit: oh yeah, regarding multiple PSUs, the MSI WS WRX80 motherboard I'm getting has headers for 2 additional PSUs!
4090s are not available for preorder yet, and I'm not even sure when Australia is going to get the iChill Frostbite (seems to be the only one with a waterblock for custom loops right now) so I will probably have a bit of time to wait, meanwhile you guys release reviews of them, before I can actually order one. So I might defer the PSU(s) until then. Could I ask you to have a look at whatever power spikes you notice from the 4090 and maybe extrapolate the kind of PSU setup someone like me might need? 🙏 Edit: and before anyone comments saying that SLI is dead - I know - this is obviously not (primarily) for gaming, although the 4090 I connect to the display will do just fine for that. I do 3D rendering using Blender, LuxCore, and Octane. And yes I know nVIDIA killed NVLink too, not really happy about that, I won't be able to pool the memory across cards anymore. But I can still utilise as many cards as the loop can afford to cool, the software doesn't care. And I will have 7 PCIe 4.0 x16 slots!
I heard of one reason of using low-end video cards when doing extreme over-clocking is that they intend to use less system resource and good for benchmarking. I can neither prove it to be true or false. Someone may be able to answer it.
I also heard this. Saying that the TUF and FTW3 clock higher than even the strix and kingpin. I only saw 1 video about it tho. I want more people to test it
AMD R7 7700X CPU review: ua-cam.com/video/LJeEd7_Cv90/v-deo.html
AMD R9 7900X CPU review: ua-cam.com/video/s04TOQkzv3c/v-deo.html
AMD R9 7950X CPU review: ua-cam.com/video/nRaJXZMOMPU/v-deo.html
AMD R5 7600X CPU review: ua-cam.com/video/JM-twyjfYIw/v-deo.html
And general specs on the AMD Zen 4 CPUs: ua-cam.com/video/hVnJbiYOCq4/v-deo.html
Hey don't you have a ln2 knowledge video? Might be helpful to link it so you don't need full explanations
0:00:00 Steve explain yourself what is that sound
What is the monitor called that you use for measuring the temperature and clocks with?
Nitrogen narcosis is caused by very high concentrations of nitrogen in the blood which require pressures higher than atmospheric to achieve (eg. under water/rapture of the deep). The bends (bubbles in blood) happen when you saturate your blood with nitrogen at one pressure then lower the pressure so it comes out of solution. Asphyxiation from lack of oxygen is what occurs when Nitrogen levels are too high under normal atmospheric pressure.
"Check out the big brain on Brad! You a smart mutha f'er, that's right."
@@purplemonkeydishwasher6849 I cared shit I read it and was interested lol 😂
@@purplemonkeydishwasher6849 Speak for yourself buddy, maybe next time just put I don't care if you want to be rude, but trying to speak for all of us is frankly quite assumptuous and rude
Asphyxiation from a high nitrogen environments is actually incredibly dangerous. You body doesn’t know it needs oxygen, it only knows if it has too much CO2. So if you’re breathing nitrogen, you’re still breathing out CO2. So you can asphyxiate and pass out before you ever know you’re not breathing oxygen.
My cats breathe smells like cat food.
Nitrogen Narcosis isn't a problem at normal pressures, it is only really a concern when breathing pressurized gasses (Like when scuba diving). In normal conditions, adding a bunch of nitrogen to the air displaces the oxygen, so you suffocate.
Just displaces oxygen, that makes sense. Thanks!
You should have a medical doctor hooking up Steve to some monitors testing for oxygen and urea in the blood. Can we overclock Steve?
@@GamersNexus When you say "Just", what do you mean? You seem to be a human in peril of death in the video. As an example of why workers safety is first than the show:
ua-cam.com/video/SU4NUARNXt0/v-deo.html Yesterday on a Science Fair in my country the inoffensive LN2 in the expert hand of two stuntmants caused 18 wounded people in a big explosion when it mixed with water.
Hypoxia.... Or more commonly called suffocation. As you said ^^ lack of oxygen leading to cognitive dysfunction, unconsciousness, permanent brain damage then death.
A REALLY good idea would be having a pulse-ox on for a couple sessions, have an idea of how much of an affect it's having.
Just gotta say this is one of the best channels of UA-cam, everything yall do is very well done and enjoyable to watch. Keep up the good work Steve and team.
100% agreed. Honestly even the financial sector has started noting - waiting for the Gamers Nexus trusted reviews on so many topics
I know you're memeing about the guy at the garage handing a flashlight "helping", but that's literally how apprentices become masters - by being around masters for an extended period of time and observing. Take pride in shadowing.
I remember the days of joy and excitement when I purchased my first computer at SEARS.... an INTEL 100 MHz Pentium processor!
R.I.P. Sears
turn on the turbo button
Yay, cool to see you using the fan mount thingy I sent y'all. Must be almost 2 years ago now.
Love the use of the QMFS. I've been using that system since I upgraded my sisters system to 96mb of ram in the early 00's and decided she probably needed more than one fan in the system
(Twist ties for the win)
Great to have another XOC livestream again! Hoping to see a 13th Gen stream as well from you guys.
I had a AMD Turion 64 X2 (way back in 2007), and the thing ran hot as hell...The cooling system on that HP laptop was a disaster and it ran most of its life way above 80/90ºC...it worked fine up to 119ºC and then would just shutdown..
When doing anything a bit demanding the temps would be easily around the 110/115ºC mark...
The CPU was just fine doing that..the PC died after 11 years of use..and what failed was the nVidia 7150M "GPU"...the CPU was still working just fine.
Sure, it was (i think) 65nm, not 5, mas I wouldn't be to concerned about the impact of 95ºC on CPU life..
Those had faulty cooling pad thickness. You likely weren't making sufficient pressure or contact.
I feel you. I used to have hp laptop with AMD CPU around the same time (the one in black with chrome trim. Can't remember the specs. Probably DV2 model.) Hot as hell.
I love Steve's sense of humor.
same lol
He's the best xD
1:31:12 You look like you're SUPER happy to be doing this OC live event.. I enjoy your enjoyment of the OC tonight.. I don't have the means to be able to get into the XOC myself, I just run an AIO and let AMD OC for me, but it works.. I'm on an x470 board with 2600x, I'm probably going to just stick with my ASUS board and upgrade to the 5800x3d when the price (if) comes down a little.. I have 32gb of 3200 ram and it's good, I don't really think I absolutely NEED pice4, pc is quick and I have SAM with my 5700xt already (which I was very surprised ASUS gave that to us with the x470-f gaming MB) But I do think a faster CPU would really really make my system smoke again. I was top 10% when I build it, I bought the 2600x when it was released, got lucky on the price.. Anyway I'm super happy to get a chance to live through Steve OC this amazing new processor!
I upgraded from a 2700x to a 5950x on my MSI x470 board when the processor dropped below $600 and went to 64gig ram. It has been a great all arounder for me as I game, video edit, music, stream, etc. waiting from GPU prices to drop a bit more when the new AMD and Nvidia cards come out. Looking at a 6750xt or 3070ti as both have versions that would actually fit in my case and have a 1000watt PSU which is plenty to run them. Have zero interest in the new GPU's as the new PSU requirements version 3.0 power supply and having a mini fusion power plant installed in the back yard to run it plus cranking up the A/C in the house to help keep it cool at well. :)
A friend of mine is using a X370 Crosshair VI hero with a 5800X3D, he upgraded from 2600X as well and it works really well. I however have jumped from a 2600X to a 12700K.
Either way, it's a huge jump in performance and lower power consumption in normal use case, at least for me.
@@williamshoemake9578 So I got, if you think they're worth it, lucky in June of 2020 I got the xfx triple dissipation 5700xt for $369 on the jungle website. Literally a month or so before the explosion. I went from a Sapphire rx580 8gb, the+ version, anyway I fell into that.. this was my first build in years (I started actually in the 80s with a 386 sx as my first build) but most of the 2ks ran laptops and I had an upgraded Dell for years.. anyway I think staying with what I have and going 5800x3d and possibly rdna3 when it comes down, I'm just thrilled the amount of time AMD has supported AM4!
all that matters for coolers is how many watts. Fo anyone wondering what coolers are going to handle these use the higher end fx chips as a stand in. They ran at about the same power as these.
Happy to see the ln2 overlooking back agan.
Can't wait to see what you can do with lapping and possibly de lidding.
I've been waiting for LN2 content for so long :)
The Leidenfrost effect happens that keeps LN2 from causing damage to your skin. A small layer of steam forms preventing the LN2 from directly touching your skin. My chemistry professor also advocated for not wearing gloves as it provides a false sense of security/safety.
6.9 GHz gang, let's go!
I'd like to see how Ryzen 7000 series performance varies with various coolers, especially Noctua.
considering the 13th gen intel chips have hit 6 ghz with just air cooling this result is actually kind of sad
@@slaytronic htey got to 8ghz on nitrogen
@@slaytronic GHz doesn't mean a lot. Bulldozer has the record for the fastest core speed, but it's far from the fastest processor.
@@joshjlmgproductions3313 We're no longer in that era. The IPC of 12th and 13th gen match, if not surpass their Zen 3 and 4 counterparts. GHz does matter here.
@@crylune The IPC of 12th gen does not match Zen 4, otherwise Zen 4 wouldn't be getting better single-threaded scores for its clockspeed.
33:30 about this whole "nitrogen is in the air so its safe" so it's basicly neutral in air - it is there but doesn't do anything to You. The problem is by adding it more (liquid N2 evaporates) You are lowering percentage of oxygen in the air and that is the risk. The same logic applies to any other not toxic gas(like CO2).
Edit: it's not the same as scuba diving, the pressure difference is the problem there. When You are diving the pressure in the water increases as You are going deeper so You need higher pressure in Your oxygen tank to be able to breathe. If You are comming to the surface to quickly air pressure in Your body doesn't have enough time to drop and it's starting to expand and tearing the tissue(the same as the helium ballon if You let it fly away and rise where the air pressure is lower)
yes, 100% atmosphere, how much is nitrogen how much is oxygen. we are normally in around 20% oxygen, around 80% nitrogen and trace amounts of various others. trace is like 1%. so i dont see people dying of too much nitrogen, but like you said, lack of oxygen. adding more nitrogen into your work area pushes that % up above 80%, which is the next gas that gets pushed out? most noticeably oxygen.
>any other not toxic gas(like CO2)
Isn't CO2 a deadly poison?
I really like how AMD has taken out all the potential user error with automatic voltage regulation. Things like golden samples and cooling all likely still apply ( assuming they aren't all golden samples at this point ). Case airflow and liquid cooling = overclock is a cool concept.
The X3D versions of these CPU's are going to be monsters with this overclock concept.
I can hear and see you just fine
Aaah just missed it
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3 & 1/2 hours too late. ;P Better luck next time? :)
@@Skradgee stoopid
Walks into the store and buys a bunch of vaseline and says.., I swear it is for my motherboard
The issue with liquid N2 without proper ventilation is that it'll displace all the oxygen in the room at some point, and you'll die from asphyxiation. If the percentage of oxygen in the air is 10% or less it can result in death, and anything less than 19% concentration can cause headaches, dizziness, vomiting, etc. Normal air has 21% oxygen, so you don't have too many percentage points to play with in a closed environment.
Good thing we have ac
He has a large enough space
i was using LN2 in a small closet and I'm fine besides the creatures that randomly pop in and out of existence in my peripheral vision; they are always watching and commenting, like youtube viewers.
@@purplemonkeydishwasher6849 As Steve says, he's in a large and well ventilated room, so there's always fresh air coming in to replace the oxygen he's breathing and keep the nitrogen from accumulating. He's just really bad at explaining what sort of precautions to take and why you need to take them.
_"The issue with liquid N2 without proper ventilation is that it'll displace all the oxygen in the room at some point, and you'll die from asphyxiation."_
Thanks for the tip! 🤗
So I went to JPL and a NASA engineer explained to me that cooling in a vacuum is actually quite a challenge. This is why you see NASA sending up space planes to test new vapor chamber designs. Yes space is cold but its difficult to move heat around in a vacuum due to the lack of a medium. They basically use massive heat syncs and vapor chambers to cool things in space. Unlike a PC they will do things like run heat pipes to the internal chassis and put giant a heat sync on the outside of the space craft. In any case you could just build a cooling chamber like they do for "quantum computers" and it would cost less and be more effective.
Can't wait to see Q&A's in the side channel!
I installed a GT 730 in a computer from over 10 years ago. It helped a lot with things like league of legends. A gaming GPU though... I would not call it that. League at 1080p is 55-65 FPS. The start of the first game of the day sometimes has hard glitching at the start of the game but is gone within 5 min of the first game.
Still blows my mind that a 7950X at 5.5Ghz completely wrecked Intel's CB 12900K 7Ghz+ record with minimal tuning. Insane the jumps in IPC that AMD has had in the last couple generations, these chips are absolute MONSTERS. Can't wait to see the 7000 series GPUs & what they can do.
16 Full power cores vs 8... is it really that mind blowing?
@@jaylapointe1654 vs 8... and 8 little cores also there doing nothing?
but for the next gen 13900k, 8 big 16 small cores probably going to 7 ghz again to wreck the amd chip...
@@timyt13 Probably going to 8GHz +, for the P cores.
The port80 codes or debug codes as you describe them. Actually aren't just a 7 segment display.
They actually require a chip that will decode the io port 80 and then display data written there.
So you will need an Isa,pci,lpc,pcie chip, fpga or something on the board that can decode that.
So yes they do cost more and more as time goes on. As the busses you can use for them get more and more costly to use.
Yes we can hear and see you fine. Sounds the same as the live stream. 😜
So wild for me to see gaming testing with liquid nitrogen and a blowtorch 😂
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Awesome work Steve and the GN team !
Great stream Steve! Y’all work so hard! Keep it up 🙂
why is the power supply fan not turning ?
it is only really a concern when breathing pressurized gasses (Like when scuba diving). In normal conditions, adding a bunch of nitrogen to the air displaces the oxygen, so you suffocate. love you
Liquid nitrogen has a melting point (evap point) of -196 celsius / -321 farenheit so when its put in any environment thats warmer then its liquid form it evaporates into a gas.
8700k and 1080ti, asus prime mobo.
Which should I upgrade first?
Now 3080s are affordable I was hoping that? Unsure if the 8700k bottlenecks a 3080? Or lack of ddr5 means i cant get 4000 series so upgrade mobo etc.
It barely runs cyberpunk on lower settings. But has heaps of coilwhine when it does.
Depends your games that you play. I just upgraded 9700k(4.9ghz all core) to 12700kf(5.3ghz all p-core and 4.3ghz e-core) and gpu remein same 1080ti. I play rust, cs go and games that are more cpu heavy than gpu and gained allmost douple fps at everything. Generally i think gpu is better to be bottleneck than cpu.
@@Jjanssoni id like cyberpubk to run in at least 1440 smoothly and look better. Not ultra but better than low
@@BurntFaceMan In that game especially 1440p cpu doesnt matter that much but id still get better cpu and later upgrade gpu.
If I were you, I'd buy a 3080. I have one and it runs 1440p Elden Ring Ultra and Cyberpunk Ultra with raytracing at about 65 fps.
Not sure how much your CPU will bottleneck it though, I run a 3800x Ryzen
The true power of these chips will shine with a beefy psu and it being delided. Cant wait!
You see the video of the guy who makes the grizz liquid Tim he delided a ryzen 7000 series and it drop like 20 degrees.
i have never understood why evga or msi have never made a real ln2 Oc board, one pci express slot at the far end of the board, no passive components on the top side of the motherboard chipset and mosfets on underside too, so basically you would have a cpu socket ram slots and a pci slot on the board nothing to spoil.
for a firm like evga etc its really easy to do with multi layer boards, the best bit is you could charge what you liked for it, and ln2 users would buy it.
Oxygen displacement is a bigger issue than narcosis at normal pressure, which will cause you to suffocate. "Air" might be mostly nitrogen, but your body's circulatory system is used to 95-100% oxygen saturation. If it drops below that, it QUICKLY becomes dangerous.
Just a thought, If the processor is designed to work most effectively at a temp of 90/95 then cooling it below that point becomes counter intuitive as it will always try to raise it's temp to the designed optimum which in itself requires more power just to heat it up.
Woot, overclocking season!
You can do SFF with 7950X locked at 65w or 105w and still beat 5950X in single / all core scores , not sure what you are talking about stave
I'm not sure how much it will cost you but you absolutely can test a payload in the vacuum of space mounted to the outside of the space station, it's called an ELC/EXPCA (Express Logistics Carrier/Express Carrier Avionics). There are four of these racks mounted on the outside of the station with each supporting up to 2 payloads. Mostly NASA and Universities are the ones sending science payloads to the station, I'm not sure if you need a specific scientific mission that NASA has to agree upon or if you can just sign up and foot the bill to send anything up, but I'm sure you could make it happen if you really wanted. I think there's probably a bit of a waiting list at the moment though.
Steve don't forget to test the new ECO mode on the Ryzens 7000, the 105W mode looks insane, stop making a fool of yourself by talking about 95C and high power draw when there is clearly a solution
He already did in a previous video.
I got the last Arctic desk fan on amazon even though it took a month to get its a badass little fan. I use either to keep cathair or we- uh vape from my dreamachine works great in tandem with a levoit core 400s air purifier. They create a wall of air to protect my o11 Evo intakes, or i twist it to my workstation for soldering or keep dust and shmoo off delicate cpus/mobos. Careful it can hurt quite a bit even on lowest setting. OO also if aimed in the back of your docked Steamdeck (not right on it) will allow clocks to boost 2-5%. If you can find something like that its very good unlike my novel 12v to usb noctua's. Loved this when it first came out, i just got my 5950X at peak performance hitting 31k on R23 with new msi x570-s Ace Max . Undervolt and pbo not All core ratio clock! Thanks GN love the new coasters and skelly shirts!
Thank you for using metric system in your speech as we do in the rest of the world too 😎
Guys, we hear a lot about bottle necks when trying to get the best FPS etc. I've never seen a vidoe on how your average gamer can find out where thier systems is bottlenecked Please fix this asap. : )
The (patent pending) QFMS (Quick fan mount system) needs RGB otherwise it'll never catch on, also needs renaming to the XQFMS.
What the hell is the Tiger King doing in my pick up truck?
i can hear you fine
You just blew my mind when pouring LN2 on your skin....
Might not be financially feasible but would love to see the GN crew do a LHe cooling run
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Solution for the 🐈 sleeping on the mod mat put a Box next to it 😁 They prefer the boxes that there 200 $300 cat beds come in.
If semiconductor manufacturers develop tunnel diode logic ICs, they get a speed power product 100,000 times better than CMOS.
One problem is that the 300mm slices need to be flat within 2 atoms.
Awesome stream! Great to see new platforms being pushed
Coming in clear.
I don't think you can use temperature as an input variable like you would in other overclocking. To measure heat dissipation you want to know how many watts you're throwing into the system while holding the temperature level. Since liquid nitrogen overclocking usually has dynamic temperature AND your controlling temp with a torch, keeping a level temp while measuring power isn't valid. One option would be some controlled addition of liquid nitrogen keeping the temperatures as stable as possible. The problem is throttling happens at the upper limit. Obviously it's easier to make it into a sport and just look for top end results, but for actual analytics, you'd need more control. By the way, you'd have two ways to check against each other. Evaporation of a volume of liquid nitrogen is in watts, and stable temperature power input is in watts.
Hold up Steve ! I've got my front case fans wired to the chassis mate 👍 lost the screws hahaha bit of Aussie ingenuity 🤣😂
Lol
Temperature - "a human readable representation of energy" @53:20 I had to un-think a lot to figure that one out! Like needing a propane torch...because your ln2 is too cold...hilarious! Hey it works!
I want to get a good idea for how much i should explain on the liquid nitrogen on the setup side? yes or no? do you want me to explain more about the setup? or do u want us to just start? yes is do you want to learn more about this?
That's a great looking GPU, which one is that? I might have found what I need to upgrade to....
first time watching a stream of yours. You're pretty funny, loved all the jokes!
Good golly you are aging well. Thank you for constantly bringing curious, methodological lab-reports to th public.
IM DEAD 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂"NASA if you would like to colab it would be good for me, I have nothing to offer...."
Thanks Steve
I think I missed it. But are you guys gonna do direct die ln2 externe oc? Der 8auer saw normal usage temps drop about 20°c
I imagine you could get better scores that way to with LN² to.
Nonetheless this channel is great. I always look forward to this content when new tech drops. It's a given that Steve and the rest of GN team get thier LN² stock back up and give us this. A masterpiece of content.
1:52:12 Jay was not watching.
Man youtube needs to let people know when this stuff happens. I think i was actually at micro center buying one of these when you started the stream. I need to know what "cooler" (lets face it, 7000 series needs a continuous supply of ln2) to pair with this thing. My theory is 360 minimum. 420 may just take longer to get to 95c. Sometimes i would just like to flip the mobo into a mount of snow and call it a day.
its probably impossible to get it off of 95C using any type of ambient temperature cooler. by design. the 95 means nothing its how many watts you want to remove.
^^^
It took 8 seconds under a 360
A 420 might make it 10 or 15 but it'll still boost as hard as it can until it hits 95
@@ndgoliberty ya especially when everything is tied to temperature. Great way to freak out your customer base, kinda like how 100c+ is totally fine for gddr6x ...ook? 😕
There is the ability to manually undervolt it or turn eco mode on to keep power draw low, heat generation low, and stay near the performance of not doing either. Eco mode does tend to slightly drop performance for vastly lower power draw (like 65 watts or 105 vs 170 to 250 watts). As for the manual undervolting, I have heard that there is a video showing how to do it and that it can sometimes increase performance.
Overclocking a pc in space would be even harder without a medium like air or water to carry the excess heat away. Dealing with waste heat is one of the biggest problems in space which is why they have to be so careful about facing things they don't want to get hot away from the sun because once they heat up they only way to get rid of the excess heat is to let it radiate away which is really slow.
Yeah I think we should overlclock Mr. Beve Sturke. He should be able to hold stably at -400c at 8ghz.
a PC in the vacuum of space would overheat VERY quickly. Yes space is cold, but it's also a vacuum, and most cooling relies on moving some stuff (usually air or water) over hot surfaces to carry heat away. There's nothing in space to carry the heat away.
For me as a European this title was very strange (we use Celsius, you just made 7950xt cold as ice, and downed it at -50° lower :D )
Pretty sure it's in celsius. Even in the united states when it comes to PC and even more to extreme overclocking, CPU (and other components) temperatures are in Celsius. So, yes, this CPU is at past ice cold temperatures !! (Hence the frost everywhere) PS I'm french
@@lordazyks3134 finally! Cpu hotter 🔥 😍!!!
Wow… was the brand I’ve always bought and pushed. I was such a fan boy that I am not even sure what to go with next
HAHAHAH, "I have win 7 at home, fight me"
Overclocking is space is a BAD idea. Simple reason: even if you can block off the crazy hot sunlight (remember, no atmosphere to absorb any of that), no air means no airflow! Cooling will be radiation-only and very inefficient. The plus side is that finally a 'radiator' is the right name for the cooler.
Hi Steve, love your content. your slightly a nose ahead of Jayztwocents ...lovya both :)lol
hair seems to be looking extra funky in this video
Would be intereting to see performance with different types of coolers. At what point will the 7950x throttle?
it is always throttling
@@GewelReal Well technically yes, but by how much. For example how does the clock speed compare between a 360mm AIO / 240mm AIO / expensive air cooler / budget air cooler. That would be a really interesting comparison.
@@MegaNeonHD just read how much each cooler can dissipate and then compare it to the efficiency curve of the CPU
That cute lil graphics card with its tiny fan
Thank you
Thought this was live yesterday, so would have been after Intel's 13th gen announcement, IE the 13900K is out on October 20th?
the excel bit was hilarious
How you liking the HX1500i? ;)
Steve you glorious bastard
Crazy thing is, if you accidentally replace all the oxygen in the room with Nitrogen your body won't warn you about the asphyxiation until it is too late, because we are so accustomed to breathing nitrogen.
huh??
It's because the human body is extremely sensitive to the carbonic acid that builds up in the bloodstream from too much CO2 . Most other gases (helium, nitrogen, etc.) will NOT create carbonic acid, so your body wouldn't know you are asphyxiating until you go hypoxic and pass out.
You're half right. Our bodies only notice when we exhale Carbon Dioxide not when we take in Oxygen. What that means is when you go into a room with very little or no oxygen you're body would still think it's fine because you would still be exhaling Carbon Dioxide despite the potentially dire circumstances. Additionally that means that we cannot accurately tell what we're breathing at any given time.
@@alfredooliva5175 It takes less than a minute of breathing pure nitrogen to knock a person unconscious due to lack of oxygen, and everything seems normal except it gets exponentially harder to think, until you stop thinking......
Too bad we can't live on just nitrogen eh?
We're you running Cinebench r23 in high priority?
I bought my Asus Crosshair X470 Hero at 259USD, The Crosshair X670 Hero price is now 890USD..... (Prices in Sweden)
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Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should.
I'm upgrading to the amd 7600x. Is their an improvement over the 3600x? I have a 3080 non overclocked gpu. I wonder if their is a improvement, or is the 3600x good enough for the 3080?
The Board I'm going to use. Will be the asus prime x670e pro, Ram 6000mhz ddr5, the rest of my old system will be the rest. Is this a good improvement.
7600x is a significant upgrade from the 3600x, almost 30% IPC gain.
the 3600x is definitely 'good enough' for the 3080 but some performance may be left on the table. Not very much though, 3000 series was solid, I have a 3800x and a 5600x and prefer the 3800x.
You could save a bit and buy a 5800X3D or a 5950X instead, and get more performance.
@@joshjlmgproductions3313 I impulse bought it already and a asus Stix 670e-a board with ddr5 6000 waaaay overkill I think I wanted cheaper board but didn't like their looks so I have a motherboard that costs more than the cpu I guess the saving grace is I can upgrade if they come out with a 3d variant
@@davide4725 thanks
In 6 months no one will be complaining about AM5 total costs anymore. RAM, boards and CPUs will all be lower in price. Only expensive parts will be GPUs and Gen5 SSDs
Isn't it possible to use nitro, in a custom loop water cooler? Manufacturers from AIOs and custom water loops, are going to do something, now that we know 13th gen Intel's dies also going to be very hot, if you see the specs?
7700X getting no love…
7700X is stuck in a weird spot, just like the 5800X.
I think it will become relevant when the 7800X3D release, price can go down a tiny bit at that time to justify its existence.
Thanks Steve for the advice on OCP regarding the ThreadRipper Pro 5995WX and dual RTX 4090 build. A bit sad, I had hoped not to need 2 cables to the wall (and to avoid the extra weight 😅), but so be it. I knew it was going to be close to the limit...
Thoughts on Corsair AX1600i vs EVGA SuperNOVA 1600W for the first one? I'm going based off 400W for the TRP using PBO, and an 800W spike from one 4090, plus motherboard, RAM, 9 fans and a pump.
A smaller ~800W for the other 4090... or perhaps a 1300W and an additional 3090Ti, given that I would have a lot of potential power headroom 🤔
Might start to strain a bit the cooling capacity of the 3x360mm rad custom loop setup that'll fit in my O11D-XL though. 😅
Edit: oh yeah, regarding multiple PSUs, the MSI WS WRX80 motherboard I'm getting has headers for 2 additional PSUs!
4090s are not available for preorder yet, and I'm not even sure when Australia is going to get the iChill Frostbite (seems to be the only one with a waterblock for custom loops right now) so I will probably have a bit of time to wait, meanwhile you guys release reviews of them, before I can actually order one. So I might defer the PSU(s) until then. Could I ask you to have a look at whatever power spikes you notice from the 4090 and maybe extrapolate the kind of PSU setup someone like me might need? 🙏
Edit: and before anyone comments saying that SLI is dead - I know - this is obviously not (primarily) for gaming, although the 4090 I connect to the display will do just fine for that. I do 3D rendering using Blender, LuxCore, and Octane. And yes I know nVIDIA killed NVLink too, not really happy about that, I won't be able to pool the memory across cards anymore. But I can still utilise as many cards as the loop can afford to cool, the software doesn't care. And I will have 7 PCIe 4.0 x16 slots!
at 53.45 how did you remove the fan since you didnt disconect the cable
I fall asleep to hasanabi clips and somehow I wake up with gamers Nexus
I heard of one reason of using low-end video cards when doing extreme over-clocking is that they intend to use less system resource and good for benchmarking. I can neither prove it to be true or false. Someone may be able to answer it.
I also heard this. Saying that the TUF and FTW3 clock higher than even the strix and kingpin. I only saw 1 video about it tho. I want more people to test it
I'm in love with that cup of CPU's on the right hand side
lol, now we gotta know the bagel story !!