On this same track several miles back down the line during a big flood on the river during the 1957 or 1963 flood a train ended up in the flooded river where the tracks were washed out. This was what a retired Engineer for CSX told me and he didn't say whether the any of the crew died,. A road was made down to the river and a train of D-9 dozer pulled the locomotive out of the river.
Railroads are lobbying to allow the minimum number of crew to be lowered from 2 to 1. I'm sure that their ultimate goal is to have no crew to pay at all. So, no matter how bad the wreck the number of workers injured will always be low.
During a 51+ year railroad career I had the opportunity to work at different wreck sites where both wreck trains with 250 ton rail bound wrecking cranes were used and where the cats with the sidewinder A frames were used. Both highlighted the applied physics of mass and angles in accessing, lifting and moving the damaged equipment. The sidewinder cats win hands down for their combined abilities to access and move the damaged equipment. The 250 ton wrecking cranes require blocking and bracing the outriggers for each different lift the cranes made - resetting the blocking and bracing was a manpower undertaking of 10 to 15 minutes for each change of position. The sidewinders carry their own operator adjustable counterweighting.
@@jonsworld5307 It's a PSR / boardroom railroading issue. Dangerous weather and reports of flooding that could compromise the tracks? Can't take any breaks, a late shipment would cut into the bottom line! Extra track inspections ahead of trains? Can't do that, PSR fired all those "extra" workers! Reroute the trains? Can't do that, PSR abandoned everything short of the minimum to keep trains running from terminal to terminal.
Cpkc got this once while calgary alberta to vancouver bc main line due mountain range worse winter.This trains wreck was in news in western canada few times.Thanks video😮
KittyCat power at its Best, pardon the pun, the KittyCat D9,s winched up one hundred fifty tons of dead loco up the river bank without breaking a sweat, their meowing must be heaven for any KittyCat Addict.
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looks just like the scene on the old N&W on the Tug river when one of their big malleys hit a rock slide and went into the river. the engineer , Blanchard , survived and was ever after called " tug".
This train here was in the Shelby yard waiting on a crew change. These two men were to take this train to i believe Kingsport Tenn. I thought that was odd i remember not long ago when the trains had four man crews. I read the accident report and these two men were put through the mill and the investigators could not find any fault in the two man crew and agreed the landslide did it all. For those who want to read the report it is on NTSB web site.
I am surprised that railroads don’t have unmanned drone vehicles to run out front of freight trains that would signal the locomotive behind. It seems like a simple concept, relatively inexpensive Do they already do this?
WOW there are UA-cam channels for HD towing and recovery using Heavy Wreckers and bragging about how strong their Heavy Wreckers are .. But to take a whole Train and drag it sideways up a cliff weighing thousands of tons is just mind blowing to see and picking up the train and placing it back on the tracks and starting the train engine back up outstanding work Guys and Gals ... Does anyone know what was the lifting capacity on the mini cranes and the pulling power of the winches on the bulldozers
@@jimihendrix991 no not thousands of tonnes but still heavy if u included all the railcars that's thousands of g Tons the person who made the comment saying thousands of tonnes he could of meant all the wagons cars ect
Wouldnt it have been easier to lift the loco with barge mounted cranes, swing the loco aboard the barge & float it downstream to a convenient offloading point? Or does RJ Corman not own any barges or barges with cranes? !
If the locomotives will roll even with some repairs , they'll be taken to a yard to remove any salvagable parts. If not , they'll be scrapped where their at.
Around 1992 outside of Portland, Oregon I saw the aftermath of the United States largest train wreck. It seemed like it took months to straighten it out.
@@happycats5195The engine you hear running was NOT the locomotive you see. It was obviously from another piece of equipment. It's baffling that you would think they even attempt to start a locomotive with such extensive damage. Every system on that loco was damaged beyond repair, so starting the engine would not only be a waste of time, but dangerous and nearly impossible for many reasons: One, the complete lack of fuel; Two, the complete lack of any safe electrical systems; Three, there would be absolutely no reason to do so. It could not move under its own power, even IF they did make the engine run.
This is why you dont allow a RR or even a highway dept to dig a shelf out of a cliff face above a river. If you have to re route 30 miles or more out of your way, so be it. !
Sending out the track inspector ina rsil truck .no use a train but it was heavy rain .no use the train .ok what rock from a land slide .that never happened before.
@@happycats5195the mute button works fine until there is commentary and the sounds of the work being completed interspersed with the music. My solution to this is just add you to the “DO NOT RECOMMEND THIS CHANNEL “ list.
Our rail system is no system at all , that is why it is and shall remain the laughing stock of the world. But as long as the shareholders receive their dividend, it is OK .
I'm just glad to hear that while injured, that the crew are alive. Could have been way worse.
On this same track several miles back down the line during a big flood on the river during the 1957 or 1963 flood a train ended up in the flooded river where the tracks were washed out. This was what a retired Engineer for CSX told me and he didn't say whether the any of the crew died,. A road was made down to the river and a train of D-9 dozer pulled the locomotive out of the river.
Railroads are lobbying to allow the minimum number of crew to be lowered from 2 to 1. I'm sure that their ultimate goal is to have no crew to pay at all. So, no matter how bad the wreck the number of workers injured will always be low.
Side boom cats are amazing.
During a 51+ year railroad career I had the opportunity to work at different wreck sites where both wreck trains with 250 ton rail bound wrecking cranes were used and where the cats with the sidewinder A frames were used. Both highlighted the applied physics of mass and angles in accessing, lifting and moving the damaged equipment. The sidewinder cats win hands down for their combined abilities to access and move the damaged equipment. The 250 ton wrecking cranes require blocking and bracing the outriggers for each different lift the cranes made - resetting the blocking and bracing was a manpower undertaking of 10 to 15 minutes for each change of position. The sidewinders carry their own operator adjustable counterweighting.
Good to read that the crew were saved .That's was a brilliant endeavor of the recovery crews
RJ Corman are masters of their craft.
Makes me glad I'm not a Trainmaster anymore. The root cause analysis would be the train master didn't test enough. Thanks frulla
Yep, thought I heard a conductor yelling about he told them to inspect the tracks "and now we're all over the ground!"
it hit mud slide how was he so post to know it was going to come off the hill at that exact moment
Yeah, no way of telling with mudslides@@jonsworld5307
@@happycats5195 yep i live like 5 miles from where this happen it was Dearing a flood
@@jonsworld5307 It's a PSR / boardroom railroading issue. Dangerous weather and reports of flooding that could compromise the tracks? Can't take any breaks, a late shipment would cut into the bottom line! Extra track inspections ahead of trains? Can't do that, PSR fired all those "extra" workers! Reroute the trains? Can't do that, PSR abandoned everything short of the minimum to keep trains running from terminal to terminal.
Wow, and I thought my job was tough. Amazing drone work there.
Cpkc got this once while calgary alberta to vancouver bc main line due mountain range worse winter.This trains wreck was in news in western canada few times.Thanks video😮
KittyCat power at its Best, pardon the pun, the KittyCat D9,s winched up one hundred fifty tons of dead loco up the river bank without breaking a sweat, their meowing must be heaven for any KittyCat Addict.
looks just like the scene on the old N&W on the Tug river when one of their big malleys hit a rock slide and went into the river. the engineer , Blanchard , survived and was ever after called " tug".
This train here was in the Shelby yard waiting on a crew change. These two men were to take this train to i believe Kingsport Tenn. I thought that was odd i remember not long ago when the trains had four man crews. I read the accident report and these two men were put through the mill and the investigators could not find any fault in the two man crew and agreed the landslide did it all. For those who want to read the report it is on NTSB web site.
I am surprised that railroads don’t have unmanned drone vehicles to run out front of freight trains that would signal the locomotive behind. It seems like a simple concept, relatively inexpensive
Do they already do this?
Great idea. If you listen closely you can hear the conductor yelling at the engineer that he told him there would be a rock on the tracks in 1/2 mile.
Must be D9 cats pulling that monster up that bank there good at what they do RJ Gorman
Was this filmed with a drone? If so what model? Rock solid video!
WOW there are UA-cam channels for HD towing and recovery using Heavy Wreckers and bragging about how strong their Heavy Wreckers are .. But to take a whole Train and drag it sideways up a cliff weighing thousands of tons is just mind blowing to see and picking up the train and placing it back on the tracks and starting the train engine back up outstanding work Guys and Gals ... Does anyone know what was the lifting capacity on the mini cranes and the pulling power of the winches on the bulldozers
Thanks
''...up a cliff weighing thousands of tons...'' Say what?
AC4400CW loco weight = 426,000 lb (193,000 kg, 213 US tons)
@@jimihendrix991still as lot of weight though to pull up a hill , 🙏😉
@@leenettywilson528 213 tons isn't thousands though...is it
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@@jimihendrix991 no not thousands of tonnes but still heavy if u included all the railcars that's thousands of g
Tons the person who made the comment saying thousands of tonnes he could of meant all the wagons cars ect
What's with the cut (cross-fade) at 3:28?
God bless our heroic firefighters!
Wouldnt it have been easier to lift the loco with barge mounted cranes, swing the
loco aboard the barge & float it downstream to a convenient offloading point?
Or does RJ Corman not own any barges or barges with cranes?
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thatll buff right out
Been a lot cheaper to run a patrol ahead of any train in Mountain territory in the rainy season.
Esp. with Chemical Freight
@@bobbybeeman7280 Railroads seem to be able to get away with a lot of sketchy practices...
What do they do with the wreck? Scrap it on site?
If the locomotives will roll even with some repairs , they'll be taken to a yard to remove any salvagable parts. If not , they'll be scrapped where their at.
Around 1992 outside of Portland, Oregon I saw the aftermath of the United States largest train wreck. It seemed like it took months to straighten it out.
That cost CSX some serious coin.
Was it scrapped or salvaged
They're both scrapped that's what I heard
All 3 were scrapped. Great to hear the engines running after such a collision
they burnt from the ethanal they halling wasnt anything to salvage but rusty bent steel
@@happycats5195The engine you hear running was NOT the locomotive you see. It was obviously from another piece of equipment. It's baffling that you would think they even attempt to start a locomotive with such extensive damage.
Every system on that loco was damaged beyond repair, so starting the engine would not only be a waste of time, but dangerous and nearly impossible for many reasons: One, the complete lack of fuel; Two, the complete lack of any safe electrical systems; Three, there would be absolutely no reason to do so. It could not move under its own power, even IF they did make the engine run.
@@CJOlinwow somebody gets it .
How much booze was lost?
John Deere 850J pipe layers, certainly have some winch power. Very awkward recovery position.
the wreck of the old 97
That will buff out.
Yes
This is why you dont allow a RR or even a highway dept to dig a shelf out of a cliff
face above a river. If you have to re route 30 miles or more out of your way, so be it.
!
Serious accident. Could have been worse.
Glad no one was hurt
Imagine being on the toilet or sleeping in the bed in the nose of a locomotive and this happens...rude awakening !
Sending out the track inspector ina rsil truck .no use a train but it was heavy rain .no use the train .ok what rock from a land slide .that never happened before.
Planning and Engineering Shame... why is cheap always more important than safe?
Not a whole lot there to salvage...
I see no cliff.
scrap it.........
The music junked another video 👎👎👎👎💩💩💩😬
Mute button?
@@happycats5195 or not so damn loud
@@happycats5195the mute button works fine until there is commentary and the sounds of the work being completed interspersed with the music. My solution to this is just add you to the “DO NOT RECOMMEND THIS CHANNEL “ list.
I really liked the music. However I’m a musician and can enjoy more than one thing at a time.
@@july8xx- just turn on the captions and turn down the sound. I also run it at 1.5 or 1.75 speed so I still know what is being said.
Our rail system is no system at all , that is why it is and shall remain the laughing stock of the world. But as long as the shareholders receive their dividend, it is OK .
listen you pompus daffy old fool,american r/r are the best.put that in your pipe and smoke it.
totaled locomotive
Locomotive's,as in like all three!
Like watching paint dry in an elevator.
Enjoyed it so much, you had to share, huh?
Click bait. Not a cliff. It was a slope.