Terrific video showing the conditions the railroaders sometimes have to work in. Also that it is difficult work. Bravo to you for having stuck it out in the rain to capture this evolution.
Should’ve put a fresh crew on the head end, had the helpers push from the rear. Surprised the crew knocked the handbrakes off before getting the power together, risky endeavor. Supposed to get it all together let the reservoirs build back up, then release the handbrakes.
@LoganisTrainBoy1 they should've had sufficient power to begin with and avoided this mess but NS loves to underpower on this hill! But yes, a new head end crew and the 2nd engine set going to the rear would've been more effective.
@@HistoricBF In the Conrail Days BRPI would had a pair of Canton Helpers GP38-2'S to go up to Hudson in Summit County tied this in to the Rear and send it to Conway's West Hump Yard where this Train is Terminated. But NS loves to do things the Hard way and this only a 20 minutes from Conway at Highland Cut in Big Beaver
@@bobcobb7719 Bob I tell you this not how you got it done it getting done right with out getting no one hurt that what makes a difference, even normally this Train takes 19 hours but it actually took it 28 hours instead . Since it was Outlawed and C80 crew had to pick up that Train
@@zenoelea8239 Others mentioned elsewhere, at idle the thermostat was likely closed and once under power, when the radiators got hot again, the rainwater that accumulated probably steamed off. I can't say for sure either way but thank you for watching and commenting!
NS always wants to send you out right at the amount of tonnage rated for those engines. That only works when the rail is dry/not covered in snow. I have stalled many times because they simply wouldnt listen or had no other power to give us.
@@schinbone0 yes, they do it here regularly. Then PTC and the road foreman typically blame the crew! Thanks for watching and commenting. Stay safe out there!
@@a.r.gentum6517 You must work for NS too. I always make sure to go to the yardmaster and trainmaster and made sure they knew and that they can pull my tapes if there were any questions.
@@a.r.gentum6517 Yup! That's because Yardmasters get reamed for not getting the train out of the yard on time, so they just shove it out the door. Once they show a train as "departed" in the system, it becomes the Trainmaster's problem as an "over the road failure".
@@taijuan5087 Way way back in the day; instead of stalling; I would get out with 2 switch brooms and sweep fresh snow off the North and South rail for 2.5 miles to a tunnel; better than doubling the hill. Nowadays, I just don't give a shit... call a relief crew.
Great video and nice catch. i never saw a train go into an emergency or stall the closest I came to that was the other night when 38G stopped because the trailing unit was smoking really bad
This is what happens when you take out the crossover in New Galilee. There used to be one there I didn’t realize until this video that it has been removed. (Checked sat view in maps) I wonder when it was removed?
@jonglass I think it was when they installed the new signals, c.2012. CP WOOD was moved west towards Aley Hill and the one at Galilee was removed completely. MORADO was also removed but I think that was back in the PC or Conrail days.
Thanks for the play-by-play of all the action going on there. It was neat to see all of the steam pouring off of the GE's radiators and the engines struggling to get the train moving. Too bad they found the weakest knuckle on the train, though. 🤠👍
@@mitchellcollins1029 Thank you for watching and for the very nice comment. We appreciate it. Blessings upon you as well and have a very Merry Christmas!
This was very interesting Chad, that crew was having some terrible luck that day with a stall and coupler failure. Those ACU's are pretty hoss, notice an SD70ACe has two radiator fans and an ACU has 3, another way to tell the difference other than the cab numbers. You even caught old Mr. Mix! Was an eventful day, excellent video 👍🏻😎🇺🇲
@garrykelso5642 as explained in the description, the original crew outlawed and NS will rarely send out two crews regardless of what the crew suggests. Unfortunate reality of someone in Atlanta making decisions for an area they've never seen, preferring to listen to the bean counters instead of the crews that operate the hill every day.
How can they push the train backwards when the last two cars had their brakes set? Didn’t the helper conductor apply the brakes in the beginning of the video? Amazing!
@@MCole-xz3cz I'm not sure if he was applying or releasing. Radio transmissions were rather garbled. Regardless, if they applied locomotive brakes while under load, the train would've been stretched end to end. Once released, since they were still fully on the hill, as the wheels presumably slip, gravity would do it's thing and take in the slack. Without wheel slip, I don't suspect it would have rolled back.
Great stuff Chad, appreciate you following and chaseing the helpers. Crazy seeing the train pulling the engines back down the hill. So what did you guys get to eat..
It's not overheated. It's pouring rain outside. While the GE isn't making huge power, there's not a lot of heat being sent up to be cooled at the radiator. Meanwhile, the rain keeps soaking everything. When the GE warms up, the thermostats open allowing a lot of hot water up into the radiator. Suddenly, the soaked radiator gets a bunch of heat from the inside warming it up, and that heat transfers through the metal. On the outside, it's soaking wet from the rain, so that moisture starts evaporating off the outside of the radiator. It's doing exactly what it's supposed to do, just with the added visual effect of the rain water being visually evaporated and rising away in a little cloud of fog.
@@stanpatterson5033 I thought that's what was happening, but I wasn't certain, so I did not want to put out bad info. Thank you for the concise explanation.
@@stefanodeluca-jl2si in this video, all 4 locomotives are linked by cable. In other videos, where there are locomotives in the middle of a train or at the end of a train, they are linked by radio
@pedrobarragan1294 the bell is just another safety precaution to warn people. The pitch is very different between the horns and the bells so it makes it more noticeable.
There is a clear need for battery\hybrid powered DPUs pull power from traction motors to charge or diesel hybrid to help in regenerative braking and hill pulling! Could also be designed to pull power only on down grades for recharging dynamically so as to not limit train engine power.
If the train had split why didn't the front locos take the front portion to the summit, the rear locos push the back portion to the summit and then sort out the broken coupling at the summit? Rather than risking the train ending up back in the same situation, stalled part way up the hill
@HistoricBF thank you. It's fairly close to truck drivers. Trucking is (or was when I drove some 6 years ago). 11 hours drive time 14 hours work day (with the 11 hours can stop when on-duty not driving. ) 80 hour work week (7 days) Then after the 8th day. You start to get hours back from the first day on duty and so on.
@railroadmack1 Thank you. That is correct, it was past the stalled engines and approaching us (myself and the outlawed crew) when the ditch lights came on.
@newjerseybill3521 yes, the term used for a crew that has run out of federally regulated operating time, when they must go off duty. The original crew was dropped off near my filming location to wait on a taxi (in this case, it was a supervisor) to return them to the yard or a hotel.
Great video! Thank you for braving the rain to capture this footage! What does “outlawed” mean for the crew? Over their rostered hours? You have a like and a new subscriber. Greetings from across the Pond! 🇬🇧
In the US, we have powerful locomotives, long, heavy trains and brainless decision-makers who may have gone to college but never actually worked in the field to know what it's like.
A couple of questions… What does the crew outlawed mean, is that out of operating time? When there was all that noise at full power, were they spinning their wheels and digging pits in the rails or were they at maximum stall condition? Why can’t you lot just say 12,000 tons or 13,500 US tons instead of 27,000,000 pounds? 🤷♂️
@grahamstretch6863 correct, out of operating time. I believe that was wheel slippage but from my vantage point, I was unable to see. If so, I would expect some damage to the head of the rail but I have not inspected it. I did say 13,600 ton and 13,500 ton in the video caption and description, respectively. So I can't answer that one as I don't know what you're referring to.
Yes outlawed or dead means out of time. It is 12 hours of working time per FRA, then 10 hours undisturbed rest, plus any time you were on duty past 12. For example, if the crew dies (runs out of time) on the line of road and it takes them 3 hours to get to a terminal and mark off duty, that would be 13 hours before they can call you for work. New engines will not burn the rail generally. Old engines were prone to that because they only had a wheel slip sensor on one axle instead of multiples. Source: 30 year NS engineer.
@@HistoricBF Thanks for the response. Sorry, the 27,000,000lbs was about another comment. I had already forgotten about the title and had to use a conversion app to work it out because I’m not familiar with your measurement and I keep forgetting to halve the lbs and throw out some zeros to get your tons, our tons are 2,240lbs! 1am brain can’t handle the maths! D’oh!
@grahamstretch6863 no worries, I encountered that comment after responding to yours, then it made sense! Thanks for watching & commenting and have a great evening.
Just curious why didn't they clear the rescue train to travel up the track to the stalled train instead of having to go all that way 2 back again to switch tracks? Or with that summit being a known issue maybe load less weight and carriages in the first place.
@patmancrowley8509 as explained in the description, this is the highest point on the line between Pittsburgh and Chicago. The railroad name is Highland Cut, the local name is Summit Cut.
@@HistoricBF I agree the fact it’s being pulled on wet steel wheels and rails! So you gotta’ think whoever was in charge of setting up the power that day and how much to use, I wonder what their reaction was when and if they found out that it stalled out lol?!? 😅😅😅😅
@@sealdm I figure they had things backed up the whole way out your way! Assuming you're the Alliance reporter on Heritage Units, that is. Thanks for watching.
@@guydelapetodiere I believe they were marking position so they could slow as the backed into it again but I'm not entirely sure. Could be something safety related for traffic on track 2, I honestly don't know.
Ya. We were talking about what a glamorous job railroading could be watching the conductor slip off the ballast into the ditch. We kind of thought they might send their knuckle out on the other train but they probably know better than I.
As a Brakeman for The Milwaukee Road on The Coast Division we would never get sent out of Tacoma Yard with more tonnage than we could pull over Hyak. If we picked up along the way we would cut in a couple of slave units at Maple Valley before hitting the grade. I have no sympathy for these RR's because if they had a Conductor in the Caboose watching the air brakes release they never would have pulled their train in half.
@@Jeff97405 No, your statement was not at all dramatic. The video ended because the knuckle broke at an inaccessible location, and after seven hours in the rain, I had enough. Thanks for watching!
Watch RJ Corman clean up a derailment at this location, here: ua-cam.com/video/3Kl-eim2Rc8/v-deo.htmlsi=rgNPuTXd7KrN3kzf
Great video..These train crews can go through some frustrating days as what you captured here..Hats off to them for their skills and hard work..
Terrific video showing the conditions the railroaders sometimes have to work in. Also that it is difficult work. Bravo to you for having stuck it out in the rain to capture this evolution.
@@TomSchmidt-t4y thank you, I do appreciate it! I do not envy the conditions they face.
Should’ve put a fresh crew on the head end, had the helpers push from the rear. Surprised the crew knocked the handbrakes off before getting the power together, risky endeavor. Supposed to get it all together let the reservoirs build back up, then release the handbrakes.
@LoganisTrainBoy1 they should've had sufficient power to begin with and avoided this mess but NS loves to underpower on this hill! But yes, a new head end crew and the 2nd engine set going to the rear would've been more effective.
@@HistoricBF In the Conrail Days BRPI would had a pair of Canton Helpers GP38-2'S to go up to Hudson in Summit County tied this in to the Rear and send it to Conway's West Hump Yard where this Train is Terminated. But NS loves to do things the Hard way and this only a 20 minutes from Conway at Highland Cut in Big Beaver
@Steelers2841 exactly right!
Meh, job got done in the end and everybody got paid
@@bobcobb7719 Bob I tell you this not how you got it done it getting done right with out getting no one hurt that what makes a difference, even normally this Train takes 19 hours but it actually took it 28 hours instead . Since it was Outlawed and C80 crew had to pick up that Train
That was a great video! Not sure I was enjoying the rain, but it was fun to get a cameo! Great dedication to getting shots in garbage weather!
@@MrMiz1113 Thanks! Always glad to include yoy
What a great video! One of the best I have watched in a very long time. Thank you!
@@aprotosimaki Thank you very much for those kind words! We are glad you enjoyed it, and we appreciate you watching and commenting.
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Thank you for the footage. Impressive, how long and heavy the trains are. Great problem solving. Best wishes to all of you. Be happy. 😊
@@guidobley7389 thank you. It is appreciated
It’s amazing how you followed the train Chad. Really enjoyed this one. Outstanding video! 💯😊
@@TwistedMacGyversTrains Thank you, I thought this one was worth the suffering!
@@HistoricBFMost definitely appreciate it!
I was wondering why they didn't put the helpers at the rear? Less chance of a broken coupler.
@Bryanja81 original crew outlawed and they didn't send a 2nd crew
Looking at the steam from the front loco cooler group suggests its got a bad coolant leak, and perhaps shut down.
@@zenoelea8239 Others mentioned elsewhere, at idle the thermostat was likely closed and once under power, when the radiators got hot again, the rainwater that accumulated probably steamed off.
I can't say for sure either way but thank you for watching and commenting!
Great video! I saw Wallie's upload explaining this crazy situation! Very neat catch!
@ThePennsylvanianRailfan2K24 thanks for watching
Excellent vid; 2 cheers for Precision Scheduled Railroading!
@robertdshannon5155 thanks for watching and commenting. Go PSR! Go away, far far away, that is...
Was the Outlawed Crew sent to Bed early with no dinner.
@@dozerblade With a firm scolding, I'm sure!
NS always wants to send you out right at the amount of tonnage rated for those engines. That only works when the rail is dry/not covered in snow. I have stalled many times because they simply wouldnt listen or had no other power to give us.
@@schinbone0 yes, they do it here regularly. Then PTC and the road foreman typically blame the crew! Thanks for watching and commenting. Stay safe out there!
"Just get the fucking train out of my yard!" If anything happens, we'll just have an investigation and then ask, "Why did u depart?"
@@a.r.gentum6517 You must work for NS too. I always make sure to go to the yardmaster and trainmaster and made sure they knew and that they can pull my tapes if there were any questions.
@@a.r.gentum6517 Yup! That's because Yardmasters get reamed for not getting the train out of the yard on time, so they just shove it out the door. Once they show a train as "departed" in the system, it becomes the Trainmaster's problem as an "over the road failure".
@@taijuan5087 Way way back in the day; instead of stalling; I would get out with 2 switch brooms and sweep fresh snow off the North and South rail for 2.5 miles to a tunnel; better than doubling the hill. Nowadays, I just don't give a shit... call a relief crew.
Great video and nice catch. i never saw a train go into an emergency or stall the closest I came to that was the other night when 38G stopped because the trailing unit was smoking really bad
@@loganvinkovich1882 they typically stall one or two a month here in the cut
This is what happens when you take out the crossover in New Galilee. There used to be one there I didn’t realize until this video that it has been removed. (Checked sat view in maps) I wonder when it was removed?
@jonglass I think it was when they installed the new signals, c.2012. CP WOOD was moved west towards Aley Hill and the one at Galilee was removed completely. MORADO was also removed but I think that was back in the PC or Conrail days.
Thanks for the play-by-play of all the action going on there. It was neat to see all of the steam pouring off of the GE's radiators and the engines struggling to get the train moving. Too bad they found the weakest knuckle on the train, though. 🤠👍
@@espeescotty thank you for watching and commenting!
Very nice work of documenting this incident.
Love the video. Especially the way you tell what's going on. Keep up the good work and GOD Bless
@@mitchellcollins1029 Thank you for watching and for the very nice comment. We appreciate it. Blessings upon you as well and have a very Merry Christmas!
Wow, the length and weight of that train are just amazing 👏 ❤
@@ALTNABREAC-UNCOVERED it was a heavy one!
Somebody way underpowered this consists. Lost man hours and tracks are taking beating.
@@alexmodern6667 they almost did it again today!
This was very interesting Chad, that crew was having some terrible luck that day with a stall and coupler failure. Those ACU's are pretty hoss, notice an SD70ACe has two radiator fans and an ACU has 3, another way to tell the difference other than the cab numbers. You even caught old Mr. Mix! Was an eventful day, excellent video 👍🏻😎🇺🇲
Ps excellent description to, you spent some time typing that
@stretchlimo7275 thanks Eddie, it was a long, cold day but I enjoy documenting the stalls here.
@@stretchlimo7275 thank you for noticing!
Outstanding coverage of everything taking place with great info. in the sub-titles. Some fantastic wet weather railfanning out there !!
@backalleyrailroading2835 thank you, it's greatly appreciated
18:02 Amazingly different looking sets of running gear on those two locomotives 7265 vs 4387. Anyone know what that's all about?
@gragor11 4387 is a General Electric AC44C6M and 7265 is an EMD SD70ACU; different manufacturers, different designs
@HistoricBF isn't that one of the reasons engineers prefer the GE? Better ride with GE design?
@@Bryanja81 Most of the crews I've talked to, yes. Most seem to like the EMD controls but GE comfort. They say the SD70 series is a hard ride.
Interesting and awesome video. Thank for sharing and have a great rest of your Wednesday. Steve
@@StormySkyRailProductions thanks Steve, you too!
@@HistoricBF Your welcome and thank you also.
Why not put the extra power to the rear of the train instead of the head end?
@garrykelso5642 as explained in the description, the original crew outlawed and NS will rarely send out two crews regardless of what the crew suggests. Unfortunate reality of someone in Atlanta making decisions for an area they've never seen, preferring to listen to the bean counters instead of the crews that operate the hill every day.
How can they push the train backwards when the last two cars had their brakes set? Didn’t the helper conductor apply the brakes in the beginning of the video? Amazing!
@@MCole-xz3cz I'm not sure if he was applying or releasing. Radio transmissions were rather garbled. Regardless, if they applied locomotive brakes while under load, the train would've been stretched end to end. Once released, since they were still fully on the hill, as the wheels presumably slip, gravity would do it's thing and take in the slack. Without wheel slip, I don't suspect it would have rolled back.
Wow, that was violent! There must be some deep gouges in the railhead after that.
Great stuff Chad, appreciate you following and chaseing the helpers. Crazy seeing the train pulling the engines back down the hill. So what did you guys get to eat..
@TriGogglin Yeah, this one was pretty wild the whole way around. I had a hot roast, beef sandwich and wallir and aaron shared the cream of sumyunguy
@HistoricBF 🤣🤣🤣
Wet rail, probably out of sand, on a curve, the train was doomed from the get-go. But, it's still the engineer's fault. lol
@@a.r.gentum6517 yep, that's typically who they blame out here
What was with loco 4387 emitting steam from the radiators unlike the other locos?
wondering the same thing my friend
@ScojoDak I can't say, I never heard anything on the radio about it but it did it 3 or 4 times
never seen an overheated GE before neat video EMDs are the best that train stalled at the perfect spot
I thought I was seeing steam not smoke. !
@@Gwen-x6d could be steam this is the first time iv seen this
It's not overheated. It's pouring rain outside. While the GE isn't making huge power, there's not a lot of heat being sent up to be cooled at the radiator. Meanwhile, the rain keeps soaking everything. When the GE warms up, the thermostats open allowing a lot of hot water up into the radiator. Suddenly, the soaked radiator gets a bunch of heat from the inside warming it up, and that heat transfers through the metal. On the outside, it's soaking wet from the rain, so that moisture starts evaporating off the outside of the radiator. It's doing exactly what it's supposed to do, just with the added visual effect of the rain water being visually evaporated and rising away in a little cloud of fog.
@@stanpatterson5033 that is the best logical idea i came up with too now you confirmed it.thank you
@@stanpatterson5033 I thought that's what was happening, but I wasn't certain, so I did not want to put out bad info. Thank you for the concise explanation.
Bellissimo video. Grazie. Mi togli una curiosità: i telecomandi con le loco di spinta di coda, come vengono collegati, via radio o via cavo. Grazie
@@stefanodeluca-jl2si in this video, all 4 locomotives are linked by cable. In other videos, where there are locomotives in the middle of a train or at the end of a train, they are linked by radio
@HistoricBF grazie, volevo la conferma.
@@stefanodeluca-jl2si Welcome!
Hola saludos una pregunta cual es el propocito de que la locomotora tañe su campana en cada cruce veicular gracias y asta luego
@pedrobarragan1294 the bell is just another safety precaution to warn people. The pitch is very different between the horns and the bells so it makes it more noticeable.
I thought the rule of thumb for horsepower was 1hp per ton on a train?
@@Bryanja81 NS seems to love under-powering big trains on difficult hills!
There is a clear need for battery\hybrid powered DPUs pull power from traction motors to charge or diesel hybrid to help in regenerative braking and hill pulling! Could also be designed to pull power only on down grades for recharging dynamically so as to not limit train engine power.
@robertpeters9438 thanks for watching and commenting
Did this train block road crossings in new galilee ? ... At least it was daylight.
@stankulesza8107 it blocked McKinley Road in Big Beaver but it was not long enough to affect New Galilee. The tail was near the Ashwood Road overpass.
If the train had split why didn't the front locos take the front portion to the summit, the rear locos push the back portion to the summit and then sort out the broken coupling at the summit? Rather than risking the train ending up back in the same situation, stalled part way up the hill
one hell of a coupling
@@NS5000 they were hitting pretty hard, I thought I'd seen one break closer to the head
Whats with the Ge radiator blowing steam like that ive never seen that before
I'm not even a qualified rail fan... This looks like a royal cluster... Impressive work capturing it all though.
@@ShainAndrews It certainly was! Thank you for watching, and have a great day!
What are the hours for the train crews?
Im curious if its the same as tractor trailer drivers.
@@2dogsmowing 12 hours working, 10 hours rest + 1:1 for each hour on duty beyond the 12 worked hours
@HistoricBF thank you.
It's fairly close to truck drivers.
Trucking is (or was when I drove some 6 years ago).
11 hours drive time
14 hours work day (with the 11 hours can stop when on-duty not driving. )
80 hour work week (7 days)
Then after the 8th day. You start to get hours back from the first day on duty and so on.
@@2dogsmowing I wondered how that worked.Thank you for the explanation
Very good video. You did a great job. Was I mistakened, or were the ditch lights not on the last train coming around the S curve until it got close?
@railroadmack1 Thank you. That is correct, it was past the stalled engines and approaching us (myself and the outlawed crew) when the ditch lights came on.
@@HistoricBF "outlawed crew"?
@newjerseybill3521 yes, the term used for a crew that has run out of federally regulated operating time, when they must go off duty. The original crew was dropped off near my filming location to wait on a taxi (in this case, it was a supervisor) to return them to the yard or a hotel.
The SD9043MACs were designed to accept a 6000HP engine but they never got one.
@@armandoperez7967 thanks for watching and commenting
Was 4387 overheated. Or just hot with the smoke coming off the rear
@@jasonbrunault7902 I'm not sure, I never did hear. Sorry!
That's just steam from rain water on radiator. Water is not always flowing through radiator. When water valves open it makes the steam.
@old_school_guy thanks, that's what I thought was going on, but did not know with a certainty, so I did not want to put bad information out.
Great video!
Thank you for braving the rain to capture this footage!
What does “outlawed” mean for the crew? Over their rostered hours?
You have a like and a new subscriber.
Greetings from across the Pond! 🇬🇧
@darrenhillman8396 thanks so much. Welcome aboard! Yes, they are allowed, by federal law, 12 hours in control of the train.
what was the raod flares used for
@@stuartfarrell6729 I believe they were just marking their position for when they returned after dropping off the original crew.
I'm surprised anything stops those things. Your trains in the US are huge.
@@gssf.gr29 Bad decisions by planning and higher-ups probably stop more trains than anything else, here in the US... Thank you for watching!
In the US, we have powerful locomotives, long, heavy trains and brainless decision-makers who may have gone to college but never actually worked in the field to know what it's like.
Really great video!!
@@lynne6417 thank you!
Very nice Brian. What route does that Daventry Doncaster take? Cheers Mate.
A couple of questions…
What does the crew outlawed mean, is that out of operating time?
When there was all that noise at full power, were they spinning their wheels and digging pits in the rails or were they at maximum stall condition?
Why can’t you lot just say 12,000 tons or 13,500 US tons instead of 27,000,000 pounds? 🤷♂️
@grahamstretch6863 correct, out of operating time.
I believe that was wheel slippage but from my vantage point, I was unable to see. If so, I would expect some damage to the head of the rail but I have not inspected it.
I did say 13,600 ton and 13,500 ton in the video caption and description, respectively. So I can't answer that one as I don't know what you're referring to.
Yes outlawed or dead means out of time. It is 12 hours of working time per FRA, then 10 hours undisturbed rest, plus any time you were on duty past 12. For example, if the crew dies (runs out of time) on the line of road and it takes them 3 hours to get to a terminal and mark off duty, that would be 13 hours before they can call you for work.
New engines will not burn the rail generally. Old engines were prone to that because they only had a wheel slip sensor on one axle instead of multiples.
Source: 30 year NS engineer.
@@HistoricBF
Thanks for the response.
Sorry, the 27,000,000lbs was about another comment.
I had already forgotten about the title and had to use a conversion app to work it out because I’m not familiar with your measurement and I keep forgetting to halve the lbs and throw out some zeros to get your tons, our tons are 2,240lbs! 1am brain can’t handle the maths! D’oh!
@grahamstretch6863 no worries, I encountered that comment after responding to yours, then it made sense! Thanks for watching & commenting and have a great evening.
@@schinbone0 thanks for your expertise on the subject, we appreciate you
Just curious why didn't they clear the rescue train to travel up the track to the stalled train instead of having to go all that way 2 back again to switch tracks? Or with that summit being a known issue maybe load less weight and carriages in the first place.
My best bet would be 3 rear DPU's and one engine up front
@dkillalegend typically a consist this size would be 2 head end engines and one mid dpu but NS loves to underpower here for some reason
Nice video! Really cool
@@kevinmaddog3064 thanks for watching
They started their pull with ~1.012 HP per ton, if both our numbers of HP and weight are right
Now that's RailRoading!!!
@@joebidenbites1015 thank you!
Beautiful Norfolk Southern Railway ❤
@@freddykagin some things never change!
😢 was it stall or knuckle breaking 💔
@@DaleRunningbear yes. As explained in the description, the train stalled. They broke the knuckle when trying to restart.
Very cool. I’ve never seen anything like this before.
@@Baystateboy125 Glad you enjoyed the video, thank you for the comment!
why did the engineer throw away those torches at minute 16:00?
Explain your terms we can understand- what do you mean crew is outlawed? Are they now convicts for a train breakdown?
I wonder why they call it the "Highland cut."
@patmancrowley8509 as explained in the description, this is the highest point on the line between Pittsburgh and Chicago. The railroad name is Highland Cut, the local name is Summit Cut.
27 million lbs is crazy weight
@mikelowery5741 kind of hard to wrap my mind around it!
@@HistoricBF I agree the fact it’s being pulled on wet steel wheels and rails! So you gotta’ think whoever was in charge of setting up the power that day and how much to use, I wonder what their reaction was when and if they found out that it stalled out lol?!? 😅😅😅😅
What is meant by the term “outlawed”?
I presume that the curve is not helping with traction for climbing the grade.
Nice video. I now have the answer to what I heard on scanner
@@sealdm I figure they had things backed up the whole way out your way! Assuming you're the Alliance reporter on Heritage Units, that is. Thanks for watching.
what is wrong with 4387???
@VirginianRailway I never heard so I unfortunately do not know.
@@HistoricBF clearly SOMETHING is up with it...smoking like a stuck pig
Shit, wonder if the outlaw crew ate some of that console for lunch. That was a really hard joint.
Why do they throw two fireworks?
@@guydelapetodiere I believe they were marking position so they could slow as the backed into it again but I'm not entirely sure. Could be something safety related for traffic on track 2, I honestly don't know.
Cool , Video! keeo up the awesome work.
@TheJanitor2000 thank you!
Great video
@@johns8488 Thank you! We appreciate you watching and commenting.
Great video!
@@williamcwynar9300 thanks Bill!
@@HistoricBF Yes sir!
EMDs are brought out when the real heavy duty work needs to be done.
@@TK-ec5bv agree!
What state?.
@@raymondmartin7130 western Pennsylvania
State of Confusion, apparently.
Notice how they need EMD power to rescue them? Solution: just use EMD units and this problem would be avoided
269 savedthose guys from a big hike!
Ya. We were talking about what a glamorous job railroading could be watching the conductor slip off the ballast into the ditch. We kind of thought they might send their knuckle out on the other train but they probably know better than I.
Great videography, you kept your powder... err, your lens dry. Thank you.
Groovy!
5:25 Bonk
As a Brakeman for The Milwaukee Road on The Coast Division we would never get sent out of Tacoma Yard with more tonnage than we could pull over Hyak. If we picked up along the way we would cut in a couple of slave units at Maple Valley before hitting the grade. I have no sympathy for these RR's because if they had a Conductor in the Caboose watching the air brakes release they never would have pulled their train in half.
Dont give me no drama FULL SPEED AHEAD!
@@Saullavado44 if only that easy lol
NOSSA :? COMO ELA É LINDA.?
@@cladioalberto9564 I cannot get Google to accurately translate from Portuguese, but thank you for watching and commenting!
I wouldn't want to be standing at the front of that train as it slam couples with another.
Called a "break in two" to railroaders.
wow, what a tug o war!
@@scottsmith7051 it was interesting to see!
@ I bet! Incredible work beating the weather to show us the full story....masterfully done!
@scottsmith7051 thank you, much appreciated!
What are the red flares for?
269 stopped to help
Typical NS behavior
@@RibbonRailProfuctions Par!
Excellent vid🙏🙏🙏🙏🇳🇿
I like the video
@@TrainboyRR thank you for watching, I'm glad you enjoyed it
@ Your welcome for watching
Push from the rear
It's not "pulled back" it's called "pushed back"! 👿
@@duanewing3008 If that's the biggest mistake I made in a 23-minute video, after 8 or so hours in the freezing rain, I'll take! Thanks for watching
8 and sand baby
That worse than going to see the TITANIC and leaving before the boat sank....
@Jeff97405 I'll trust your opinion since you're apparently better versed in drama. Thanks for watching!
I said what I said cause you ended the video before we could see which car actual broke the knuckle...no drama here.
@@Jeff97405 No, your statement was not at all dramatic. The video ended because the knuckle broke at an inaccessible location, and after seven hours in the rain, I had enough. Thanks for watching!
Helpers on the rear , make sense on a pull such as that. But I don’t know anything I’m an idiot……😮
@@cavemanengineering8308 makes sense to me!
Lovely
@@davepearce9135 thank you