SIRUI's TINY 1.6x Saturn anamorphic set (35, 50 & 75mm) | REVIEW
Вставка
- Опубліковано 9 лип 2024
- I take a look at the TINY 1.6x full frame SIRUI Saturn anamorphic lenses - are they worth your time and money? Watch to find out!
Sample footage shot on the RED Komodo 6K, the majority of this footage was captured in Turin, Italy.
More about the lenses - bit.ly/3GqrglO
Check out the original 35mm review here: • Tiny lens, big look! |...
35mm sample footage: • SIRUI Saturn 35mm 1.6x...
SUPPORT THIS CHANNEL! Drop me a tip or buy me a coffee! PayPal Donation here: www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted...
Follow me on IG: / prossered
Threads: www.threads.net/@prossered
Portfolio: www.edprosser.com
Cheap screw-on diopters
UK - amzn.to/3RtdwgD
US - amzn.to/3NgNTxb
DE - amzn.to/487hhOq
SIRUI Saturn 50mm
UK - amzn.to/3RtrIpW
US - amzn.to/3Rwuv1G
DE - amzn.to/4a2mf0B
SIRUI Saturn 75mm
UK - amzn.to/41eCyn4
SIRUI 1.25x Adapter
UK - amzn.to/3sWXJNL
US - amzn.to/41dCyDS
DE - amzn.to/41cwqeR
📺 Favourite 7" monitor 📺
UK - amzn.to/3DLqjDN
US - amzn.to/3jEIiF3
DE - amzn.to/3Vwnluw
LUMIX S5 IIX
UK - amzn.to/3sScyRg
US - amzn.to/3ZeuIJ4
DE - amzn.to/3PfNVpc
These are affiliate links so I make a small commission when you buy from these links - no extra cost to you!
CHAPTERS
00:00 - Intro to the SIRUI Saturn 1.6x anamorphic lenses
01:12 - Introducing the new 50mm and 75mm focal lengths
02:13 - Features of the SIRUI Saturn set
03:15 - Image characteristics of the Saturn lenses
05:46 - Flaring across the lenses
06:38 - Combining these lenses with diffusion filters
07:14 - Issues with close focus? (use diopters!)
08:20 - Sharpness and distortion
09:13 - T2.9 & using them in lower light
09:38 - 2x Anamorphics with SIRUI's 1.25x adapter
11:47 - Are these the best choice for you?
13:25 - Final thoughts on the SIRUI Saturns
Hats off to SIRUI - thanks for the review !
Love this content Ed! I love also the background of these videos, my hometown Turin
We go a few times a year to visit my partner's family, I love visiting it's such a beautiful city!
Helpful review, thanks!
Great video as always and some lovely footage!
Thanks for stopping by!
Great review and sample footage Ed 🫡
Thanks man!
Your work is great! Truly enjoy your content man! Love the aesthetic and color profile of your content. 😁👍
Thanks appreciate it!
Great vid mate. Really good overview. I've actually been enjoying these lenses more than I thought I would to be fair. They definitely don't have wild character like Atlas, but maybe that's not such a bad thing as you could probably get away with using them across a wider variety of projects. Funky anamorphicness is lush, but niche. The Remus do look very interesting. Potentially a middle ground between Saturn and Mercury, 'character' wise. Nice job!
Yeah thanks, they will definitely be an easier sell to clients! These are the well behaved lenses you take home to meet the parents!
@@EdProsser Good way of putting it!
Another banger 🔥🙌🏼
Thanks pal!
Your reviews are detailed, thorough and meditative. More views, more subs for Ed!
Disclaimer: I don't know Ed, I'm just a dummy in Los Angeles.
Totally agree! More views forever!
Amazing work as always Ed! I was particularly interested to see how these little guys worked with the adapter for the 2x squeeze. The pics @11:20 on twilight in the street… 🙌🏻 incredible! I think it’s an especially good pairing with the Komodo for handheld because of its global shutter. On my S5iix handheld with Venus lenses and the adapter I have to hold my breath and stay still to avoid ‘jello’. No such difficulties with the Red’s global shutter. Really lovely!
Yes that's why I decided to test these on my Komodo, I find the LUMIX S5iix a bit awkward for anamorphic, tend to stick it in APS-C anyway and the form factor makes it a bit awkward.
I will probably cut something from the Italy footage as I spent a lot of time walking around and shooting stuff around the streets which I don't usually have time for.
I loved the 2x image from these with th adapter!
Hi, I was thinking about buying the lumix s5sx specifically for anamorphic and found your comment about anamorphic on the lumix. Can you tell me any issue you see using these lenses with the lumix s52x?
The S5iix is great for anamorphic, but I find the read out speed of the sensor, especially in open gate to be quite slow. So I prefer to shoot in aps-c mode on the LUMIX cams as this renders really nice motion. Generally I think these are some of the best mirrorlesa cams to shoot anamorphic on
Good review… and props for mentioning other options. On that point I just preordered the Blazar Remus lens set. I have tons of super clean lenses. And when I shoot anamorphic I generally crop to 16:9, so I need as much character as I can get… without that I might as well just shoot spherical.
Anywho, good review!
Nice! I'm not quite sure on the Remus, love the idea of characterful FF Anamorphics in EF / PL but just wana see a bit more test footage as they've not been great in marketing them and pushing out varied sample footage.
Hey Ed, great as always. Wondering if you'd had a chance to try those Remuses out yet? Very tempted
Not used them yet, but am hoping to get a set on loan in the next month or two! Very much want to review these
@@EdProsser They look great so far. Seen mixed opinions on the 100mm, being soft wide open, but just stop down haha. I love the way you grade your footage man. That and exposing it so well. Always so moody in the best way
Keep it up!
Beautiful locations!
The model is beautiful too 😘
Wicked Ed - well put together. The lenses look super crisp & I'm struggling with the cleanliness vs character debate, which seems like an infinite war. These look like a great contender in the market for sure.
Yeah I hear you, I think if you're on FF you'll get a bit more magic from these. But I think if you're making an investment you'd get more use of these as they won't always be a hard sell. If you're doing more narrative or fashion stuff a set like the Remus might make more sense. I'm very tempted by them.
@@EdProsser I knowwww, but from what I've seen with the Remus (pre production anyways) they aren't super sharp so Im still on the fence haha. We shall see!
@@jondoeslifestuff yeah exactly they've not been great with the marketing drive I really need to see more before being confident enough to buy them.
I reached out to them to try test them but they said no.... 🫠 Maybe they'll have more sample units available soon.
@@EdProsser I too would like to see some more in depth looks. Keep us posted.
Great stuff ! It looks like things I didn’t like about the set is getting rounded out more with expanding the range, kinda annoyed I have to buy new diopters 😅 but not a huge deal!
Thanks man, yeah as always they're great with a few caveats. I'd be happy shooting a professional client project on them for sure, esp. as it's often easier to sell a clean look...
I'm super interested in the Blazar Remus though - just need to see a bit more footage before I commit to those.
Ed, thanks for the great review. I have the Saturn 35mm on my Sony FF camera, also the diopters (+1, +2 and +4). I'm thinking of expanding the set. In your opinion, do 50mm and 75mm make sense in my combination? I often struggle when focal lengths are so close together... Thank you and keep up the good work!
35, 50 and 75 are all fairly far apart in terms of look so should go well together, especially on FF where the 35 feels very wide!
Great!
Great review that goes over a lot the others don't! Do you think there is a need/place for using the diopters AND the 1.25x together? My gut tells me yes for consistency of the squeeze factor, but you may think otherwise...
Yes of course and it works well in the same way as using them on the lenses as they are. I actually had a set of larger diopters bought when I reviewed the 1.8x great Joy lenses (82mm filter I think). So they fit well with the 1.25x adapter.
They will work just as well with the adapter and I also used these when testing the Blazar Nero 1.5x adapter.
Great video as always! We always skip the mobility part when it comes to lenses but only when you have limited space you understand the need for a small lens. :)) At 0:30 it reminds me of how bad the lights are in Italy. Even with the correct setup it flickered like crazy on my GX85, I had to upload them to YT with the flickering. Even with a global shutter (on red) I see there are still issues with them, at least you don't get the banding. :))
So the slow mo stuff was shot in 40fps which is what causes the flicker as the lights would probably be 50hz so cam shutter and light frequency will be out of sync. when you got flicker what frame rate / shutter were you shooting?
@@EdProsser I was shooting at 24fps at 1/50 and I was still getting the banding. It didn't happen everywhere. Some lights were okey, some were not.
Ed, I absolutely love the look with the 1.25x adapter, which of course is due to the cinematographer as well!
How much vignetting were you getting with the 35mm on the Panasonic? I'm thinking about this combo for the FX3
On the 35mm you'll definitely need to shoot in APS-C mode on a FF cam, I should have mentioned that. I mention it in my standalone vid on the adapter... I think. But yeah you'll need to crop in a bit. You can see here, even on a 50mm, on S35, a 2x anamorphic is pretty wide!
I'm thinking about making a standalone vid with some more 2x footage
@@EdProsser I appreciate the insight! Shooting 2x on a 16x9 sensor is weird. Techincally, the FX3 sensor is barely taller than the Alexa 35 sensor. So if one is wanting the full 2x on a 16x9 sensor (which is an insane 3.5 ratio). So really, a 2x s35 lens will produce a 2.35 ratio image without vignetting. But ya, I think with the open gate mode of Panasonic, I could totally see some harsh vignetting occuring!
@@jordanadudek yeah the 2x was all shot in 4:3 on the Komodo. It also has a 2x 6:5 mode. Never shot anamorphic on the FX3 but from what I gather it doesn't make life easy for you!
Fantastic footage Ed! And well considered review. Wil you be getting a chance to test the Remus? Interesting how those went in a different direction in terms of image, while still being small.
I would really love to test them, I've pestered them a lot but they didn't seem interested in sending me a sample... I'll keep trying.
May just buy them - but not seen enough sample footage yet to make my mind up...
On paper I prefer what the Remus are doing. Honestly I'd be happier to pay a bit more with slightly improved optics.
@@EdProsser The Newsshooter UA-cam channel have some outdoor footage with the Remus set that might give you more examples to go on.
@@forewarnedfilm yeah, I've seen most of what is out there atm. I've seen they've also sent out shims to some of the early testers which seems to have improved them as well.
I'm in no rush anyway, don't see any benefit in being an early adopter etc. if the Remus aren't the ones, no doubt there will be a bunch of affordable new sets announced next year 🤣 the onslaught of lenses if relentless atm
@@EdProsser It’s like busses - you wait ages for a decent, affordable set of anamorphics, then suddenly…
Great video and...that is my city! Hope you loved Torino.
My partner is from Torino so we go a lot - I love it!
Hello, If you shoot with 1.6x anamorphic lenses in a 4:3 format what aspect ratio you end up with?
Speaking of blazar, they can probably be used together with the rear adapter of laova 1.33 and get crazy compression on the super35 sensor
The Remus? Yeah am sure they can! I think there's a great joy adapter out already? My main concern would be that if the lenses aren't super clean out of the box you'll probably need to stop down a lot.
The benefit of these cleaner Saturns is that they handle anamorphic adapters pretty well.
Reconsidering these based on your footage! Wish I could see it more on a full frame sensor
I'm sure there are other people who have covered them from a FF perspective.
I have done a vid on the 35 which was a bit too wide for my liking on FF, so I mostly shot in APS-C. Wish there were EF or PL options and then people could use across camera systems, I don't like this trend of having glass locked into a mirrorless system.
PS - Russell Kent Nichols has shot some stuff on his channel with the DJI 4D that looks lovely
Curious if you have any updated opinions on the Remus as we have been seeing everything come out? I swear what I want is just a set of Great Joys with the same level of consistency that was applied to the Blazar Remus...
Hey! I saw another vid released today by Blazar that looked very promising... but I don't really see any benefit in being an early adopter given the lenses are unproven and they've not really shared them widely enough to push enough sample footage out from the UA-cam community.
The earliest runs of lenses also tend to be the ones with most build issues.
I would love to test them on my channel but Blazar refused to send me them. I'll keep trying...
Personally I'd rather just wait to see more sample footage and feedback from actual users before I make a decision and if they're not quite there... I'm sure there will be other releases in the year to come!
It's such a fast moving industry!
I know! New gear every couple seconds it seems. The Chromatic Aberration was sticking out a little bit to much to me in the sample videos...I can't decide when the best time will be to jump into a set of anamorphics.
I've enjoyed stumbling into your channel! Keep up the good work!
@@EdProsser
@@MattFitzgerald yeah that was my gripe with them too - the new sample footage shared on their official YT channel looks good though... but it also looks like a professional production - so they may have had a pro colourist tweak it... definitely check it out though.
Dude I just watched this for the lens review (wicked by the way), but I noticed the b-roll in Turin and that big hall/gardens place which I've forgotten the name of. I literally uploaded a video from that exact spot in September 😅 what a ridiculously small world! If you watch my recent Turin videos you'll notice I literally shot in the exact same spots 😂🎬
Haha just checked it out! Amazing work, my partner is from Turin so we visit a few times a year, first time visiting those gardens though!
I wonder what kind of results you can get out of these lenses if you use the laowa 1.33x adapter on the front of these
I guess just a bit more squeeze and a wide frame that you'd probably have to crop. If I get the adapter in at some point I'll give it a go!
Hi Ed! If you had to choose (for the time being) between the 35mm or 50mm (or even the 75mm) which would you choose? I’m looking to pick up one very soon and eventually pair it with a second but for the moment, just one.
Is the 50mm to tight for some indoor locations? Ex. Filming in a gym, in a church, sunroom inside a home, etc.
What are you shooting on, full frame or S35? I'd probably go with the 50, but it depends how you like to shoot. The 35 is wide and the lack of good close focus means it's difficult to use as an all purpose lens
@@EdProssermy apologies, I am shooting on a FF Sony FX3 and I have an FX30 as my secondary.
@@EdProsser Actually, I will be picking up two right off the rip. And complete the set down the road a bit. I was thinking of the 35mm and the 75mm but I’m afraid I’ll be missing something special with the 50mm… I’m also indecisive and probably thinking about this too much. Anyways, I appreciate your input and appreciate your videos! Keep up the awesome work!
Thanks Ed. From using the komodo for a few months now ive noticed for low light you dont really have a choice but to go down to 1.4 f stop and set the iso to 400 ish. If you are on a 2.8 and iso 400 the monitor is so dark that you cant see what ur doing and the image is also very noisy. So i guess for low light u will need a speed booster on any anamorphic or most cinema lenses.
It's definitely not a low light beast! But I've got usable results at 1000, but yes generally shooting 400 iso in darker scenes is the cleanest way to go. Noise reduction does work well too. But I was shooting at F4 on the 2x adapter which was really pushing it!
After having bought this set of lenses (and the 1.25x adapter), I have a question for you - do you have issues with the adapter and 35mm combo? I am finding that I can see the inner edge of the 1.25x adapter in my frame when using the 35mm... this is made even worse when I change focus on either part, and MUCH worse is a diopter is attached.,,
It'll depend on your sensor size and acquisition aspect ratio, but on FF on the 35mm you'll generally get vignetting. When I shot with it on my LUMIX S5iix I shot in APS-C mode.
@@EdProsser gotcha. Yeah using my FX6 in FF mode, so that makes sense. Thanks!
Wouldn't the adapter make my saturn with neutral flares turn into blue? The adapter is blue flare ? Also do you think the Saturn 75mm will be too tight on aps-c sensor for music videos ?
It didn't seem to do this on mine, I've found the flaring in the adapter very subtle so the lens flaring still comes through nicely
hehe, world ending. i sincerely appreciate your indepth reviews/observations. so much easier to understand with all the examples. cheers.
thanks man - try to fill it up with sample footage rather than forcing you to stare at my ugly mug.
Nice video. Well put together. I would say for me I will pass on these as I can’t see that characteristic waterfall bokeh which is the whole point of anamorphic for me. I was expecting to see it with the adapter to bring it to 2x but even then it looked practically spherical to me. The Blazar 1.5x looks much more interesting. I plan to get those & pair then either their 1.33x adapter for 2x.. 👌🏿💥👍🏿 Thanks for posting.
Yeah I think there are two camps of lens addicts the clean, modern fans and the grungey character fans (I'm with you) - the only issue I can see with the 1.5x Remus + adapter is that they don't look super clean or sharp to begin with so I'm guessing you'll have to stop down a lot when adding an adapter to get acceptable results.
@@EdProsser yes agree with you, I prefer the dirtier imperfect look. Well I’ll investigate their 1.33x and if no good I’ll just have to get another from someone else 👍🏿. Fantastic we have the options these days though..
Is there a review somewhere that shows what the footage looks like before being squeezed?
You could rip / download the footage and just squeeze it if you want to see what it might look like... Is there a reason why you'd want to see it?
@@EdProsser I’m just curious what I’d be looking at live while I shoot and how different it would be to frame.
@ddespair just take any frame and squeeze horizontal by 1.6x. When you should you usually desqueeze on your monitor to preview your frame properly
If you had to choose between this Sirui 35mm 1.6 or Laowa Nanomorph 35 on Komodo for short film shot in NYC which would you prefer?
Hahaha so specific on the location! I haven't shot on the Nanomorph primes, but maybe they have a better close focus than the Sirui? But maybe I'd opt for the Sirui as it has a bit more squeeze...
@@EdProsser lolol, yeah I tried to paint a picture but not sure how that applied to the question in hindsight. so I meant the 35mm nanomorph for 35 sensor compared to 35mm saturn which I believe is FF? I know Komodo is s35, so in theory the Laowa nanomorphic seems like the easy answer, but I'm curious if one felt easier to run and gun / grade than the other?
@@jamescasteel8990 I haven't shot on the Nanomorph primes. Only on their zoom lenses. I think they're both fairly similar probably?
How do they compare to Sirui’s other full frame anamorphic lineup? Aside from weight and form factor, are there any major differences?
I haven't shot with the other Sirui lenses people seem to prefer the larger 1.6x Venus line so I assume there are some differences
@@EdProsser I have the Venus line but the size, weight and non uniform squeeze factor is a bit annoying. I’ll try to find some comparison reviews. Thanks!
What are your honest thoughts on these lenses vs the DZOs?
The DZO Pavos? I've not shot on them, but I think they look a lot more interesting! They're only Super 35 and 2x anamorphic so not super comparable... They'll give you a more classic anamorphic look than these, but they're a lot more expensive and larger.
I meant the vespids. I know its quite hard to compare the two but for image quality how do they compare?
@@cruisechill1813 yes quite hard to compare as different types of lenses and image quality is very subjective... The Sirui are very clean and sharp. The Vespids are also very sharp but less clean (maybe?). Obviously Vespids don't flare in the same way and have better close focus and more focal lengths. Also avail in EF / Pl
which of the three did you like best?
On the Komodo I found myself using the 50mm the most - seemed like the most versatile focal length
I have the 35 and while it is extremely sharp, I often wish it had more character. Then along comes the Remus lenses. They have the character I desire but are so unsharp, they almost appear out of focus. I wish there was a cheap lens set that sits somewhere in the middle of the two. Fairly sharp but with lots of character. I guess we can't have it all at this price point.
I need to see more from the Remus seems like the only sent a few pre-production units out and some of those soft images may have been shimming issues, who knows. The Remus look good but I'd rather pay a bit more for slightly better performing glass. I think most people would - keen to see more from them once people start shooting with them, but feels like a missed opportunity if they're not quite there.
I wish we had anamorphics with vintagey distortion but at the sirui price point.
Blazar Remus!
@@EdProsser holy crap
@@KnapfordMaster98 they're also about to release some crazy looking 2x budget Anamorphics, they will look wild
@@EdProsser I'll be sure to keep an eye on them, thanks!
Great Review, but after Blazar released the Remus Set I do not see any competition for them anymore.
No competition to the Remus? I'm not totally sold on the Blazar Remus lenses, and this is coming from someone who likes character and grunge in a lens. There's been so little sample footage shown from them it doesn't fill me with confidence - I wouldn't drop money on them until more people have reported back on using them.
They look close but not close enough to justify buying. Quietly interested to find out how people rate them
Blazar lenses ar so soft compared to sirui. When you strat adding filters it's even softer. Great if you want your 6k camera to look like 720p
I guess it's yet to be determined how sharp the Remus will be - some have suggested that the early sample footage had shimming issues - so might not be reflective of the actual lens...
It's disappointing they've not really engaged with the community to send out samples and get more feedback / sample footage out there - I wouldn't feel confident pre-ordering those lenses from what I've seen .
I'll be eagerly paying attention to what the early adopters have to report back on when they get these lenses next year.
if ed has a 100000 fans, then im one of them
if ed has just one fan, then im him
if ed has no fans that means im dead
Don't die, I need all the fans I can get!!
For me they look like they have a pincushion distortion instead of an barrel distortion..
kind a weird and I don't like the look..but as you said..its a matter of taste!
Yes - mention this in the review, it can be corrected quite easily tho. But on the 35 on FF it's pretty severe.
True..I just had a quick look the first couple of minutes..didn´t get to the sharpness and distortion part the first time 😬
Tanks for your video ;)!... cheers@@EdProsser