😂 man what’s awesome is how readily this information is available for consumption. When I started you had to go to film school to learn all of this (various channels, Peter McKinnon, potatoe jet, this guy and others. ). Now there is no excuse. Love these guys providing so much information.
Let this be a warning to other youtubers that are looking for a new topic for a vlog; don’t mess with anamorphics unless you are Obi Wan Kenobi or Tito Ferradans!
@@MAKEARTNOWCHANNEL I was just thinking when I read Patrick's comment that there's this zany American UA-camr who models himself after Tony Stark and puts heavy anamorphics on dinky gimbals.
Thanks for video Tito! Glad to see your production quality always keeps improving even after all these years. As affordable anamorphic becomes more widespread, we'll keep seeing these kinds of questions that us scope addicts know all too well. Your channel is still the go-to when it comes to anamorphic know-how, and I think that's something to be proud of. :)
Thanks for the shoutout Tito! I wholeheartedly agree. Once you've seen footage shot on an anamorphic projection lens looking incredible on the biggest ad screen in Europe... It really ends the quality question!
This is one of the best videos I've seen from you for a long as you deal with P.J.'s comments on this lens in a very (!) professional and nice way - congratulations! And you know what? Just the combination of your introductory video, P.J.'s great footage, and now your great comments make this lense even more attractive than ever before. Thanks to you and P.J.!
very competent and comprehensive argumentation against a rather emotional and not so profound "criticism"; the other guy not even knows about differing squeeze factors in relation to focussing... a simple beginners knowledge.. the same with the criticism about IBIS etc. thank you very much for your efforts to make that clear
Would it be effective to put a big circle on a slate so that you have a reference to calibrate the squeeze amount if you're sitting on an extreme for the lens's focal range?
Thanks for the video and the hard work you and your team put in. I've been a follower for ages and did my first lens mod after watching you do it, been quite a journey there. Love that attitude of appreciating things for what they are and whether they are suitable for the project, instead of judging by the labels that have been slapped on top of them. It's a huge topic, but honestly these days it feels like marketing and consumerism distract people from understanding why they use certain tools, and many people buy things without understanding why or understanding if there's a need for it.
I had already seen Potato Jet’s video and in reviewing it you produced a really useful resource for us all. My impression of Potato Jet is that he is a really lovely guy and I am sure he will appreciate your input. More reviews please :)
Man, thanks so much! I actually watched his video yesterday (again) and said to myself: ditch the idea of buying the 50mm from Sirui. Today, UA-cam recommended your video :)
Hi, I followed you a year now and also Potato J. But when I saw his „review“ I was laughing out loud because of the exact points you talk about. Very great form you to send out this correction in such a nice way. Love it. I will become a member of you Chanel and spend „a coffee“ a month to support you. Keep going with your content. Love it. Stefan
The squeeze issue - instead of adjusting the width, just stretch the height a tad. Lose a little of the top and bottom and you will maintain the width,.just remember to keep enough headroom.
Hi Tito & Potato Jet, just a quick update: in the meanwhile I purchased the lens, experimenting with it on my Lumix S1H since a few weeks. This lens exceeded my expectations by far: built like a tank, perfect smoothness of both focus and apperture, razor sharp from edge to edge, nice flares when light hits the lens directly from the front, on the other side quite robust against unwanted flaring (I did not expect this!). Yes, there is some little squeeze-breathing when focusing - but not too wild and a result of the selected construction and not Sirui's fault. Only challenge I still have with this lens is finding the perfect focus w/o using the internal EVF of my S1H, i.e. in run & gun mode. So, I am practicing and practicing and getting better every day. Another thing I was totally unaware of is that when using the 5.4 K mode on my S1H, this lens with its 1.6 squeeze factor turns my S1H into an 8,64 K monster! Yes, the additional resolution gets created by the NLE (in my case Davinci Resolve Studio) when interpolating additional pixels during horizontal desqueeze - but it all looks so great and immersive. When I recently used my spherical lens and reviewed the footage on my screen I felt like watching an 'amputated' piece of video. Guess what, this is my 'always on lens' for the time being. Thanks to Tito for bringing 'The Anamorphic' to so many of us!
One correction when you state Panasonic is the only manufacture with stabilization for anamorphic. - the canon c70 does this too - there is actually a menu option for anamorphic image stabilization although it is electronic stabilization and not true IBIS
my 2 cents: potato jet is a legit content creator, really funny dude, and has become super knowledgeable on general industry tech. his following completely warrants this kind of response so good on you for defending the lenses. THAT SAID, any real story teller with a true affinity for cinematic story telling would never complain about any of what potato jet had a problem with. youtubers in general tend to over analyze out of a need to make extensive content. and while their opinions absolutely matter, they should NEVER solely guide a true filmmakers decision. I.e. dismissing the adapters over extra time in post... when working on a budget you will always have to work extra in post on one thing or another. its a trade off so if you like the look of those anamorphic adapters, maybe the 5 seconds per clip in post is worth it. We live in such an amazing time for story tellers right now where we can buy everything we need to make a career defining feature film for under 10k but you'd never guess it if you only paid attention to youtubers who's entire jobs are to push the limits of tech designed to compete with equipment 10x more expensive. (bmpcc vs alexa videos crack me up) sorry this was so long winded but for me, the creators of affordable groundbreaking tech do far more for the creative space than any one person's opinion of their products. creators like Potato Jet are fantastic but let's not give them more power than they deserve.
the price of the gear doesn't matter as much. At least i wouldn't put that much thought into it. Take for instance the Ursa mini 12k is comparable to the alexa mini LF. Search ursa 12k vs alexa mini lf.
It's not so much that potato jet was incorrect on alot of points, it's that he always talks like he is absolutely correct on everything he says. For me, PJ has a slight troll quality in his reviews. The way he man handles expensive gear is highly irritating. The most amazing camera can come out and PJ will most likely throw up a video saying why he will never buy it. It was so satisfying to see a calm, educated clap back video. SUBBED!
Great job sir, appreciated and well done. I enjoy your positive energy in pointing out that various equipment have both strengths and weaknesses but the operator must be sensible about how and when to use it.
Phenomenal response!! Invaluable information! I use with ease of understanding and practical experience two ISCO anamorphic adapters thanks to many of your posts and explanations! Thank you Anamorphic professor and please Keep it up!
Ok I know it's about the look you want but are the vazen easier to focus than the sirui ? I want to get the 32mm vazen anamorphic but Will I have a harder time getting the image I want than the 40mm vazen or 65mm ? You mentioned something about close up anamorphics not delivering as good a image as and the longer lengths ?
They're pretty similar. Sirui is sharper on critical focus, so it'll make it easier to tell what's focused and what's not. There's no 32mm Vazen though, so I have no idea of what you're talking about. As for longer focal lengths, that applies to adapter setups only, as most focusing solutions are tailored to 50mm taking lenses. When talking about an anamorphic LENS, you're unlikely to face those issues.
@@AnamorphicOnABudget yeah I think so. Also as someone who owns the Anamorphot-50 1.33x I raised my eyebrows a bit when he trash-talked them. It works incredibly well for my setup.
I thought his comments were a little harsh purely based on how great the footage he shot looked. But both the things he ran into and your further explanations gave some valuable insight in how these lenses work and differ from typical lenses. Thanks.
I am new to anamorphic. Do the Sirui anamorphic lenses work best on a micro four thirds sensor, or on an APS-C sensor....? Or are they just different with field of view, due to the difference between the sensor size between 4/3rds and APS_C? I do like the anamorphic look, and trying to decide between the two systems of either micro four thirds, or an APS-C type camera.
I'm glad you guys can have this civilized dialogue and add corrections to educate people rather than arguing :D no youtube drama here just film nerds who want to get the best results
It really bothers me when people talk about ‘faking the anamorphic look’ and are connoting to the flares. The ‘anamorphic look’ is the field of view you get from a cylindrical lens versus a spherical lens. That’s the look, the flares are simply a byproduct.
I don't think potato was dissing anamorphic so much as expressing his personal preference. He's allowed to have his opinions. Tito does a great job on the deep-dive in this response, I didn't think he was dunking on potato so much as explaining why anamorphic lenses are just... different!
Thank you! Yeah, I really like that Gene/Potato has brought anamorphic to a much wider audience! I don't want to put him down at all, just expand on ideas I thought could benefit viewers! :)
I own all 3 Sirui lenses. I have watch most of the review videos on all three. I cannot think of one review video that brings up the de-squeeze issue that Potato Jet raises. It is a valid point and one that will affect my use of the lenses going forward. We may not like Potato Jet conclusions but his technical observations were spot on. That is where this channel comes in because it helps us drill down on the issue and put things in perspective. We have to first understand the issue and then learn how to work with it. I am sure we will do that moving forward. I think we owe both these channels a debt of gratitude for their contributions on this topic.
You’re allowed to have opinions, BUT it would be more helpful if you actually did some more research, experience stuff, BEFORE putting it out there ;-)
Hi Tito, thanks for all the clarifications. Lot's of great info. Much needed. Do you have a link to the Oliver Kember video sample you referenced in your video?
@@filmstudent7389 Hey! I shot that footage with a Hypergonar nr.1 (the first 16mm anamorphic projection lens ever made, by Henri Chretien, the inventor of cinemascope!). I think the taking lens in those shots was a good old 58mm Helios!
@@cinesagaltd Thanks for letting me know. Amazing work. The shots from Tito's sample footage look truly stunning. Do you have a link anywhere to the full piece so we all can enjoy it in its entirety?
I had no idea about anamorphics. I was looking for a lens and saw an ad of a vintage "anamorphic lens". I was like "what the heck is an anamorphic?" This was about a year ago. Then I watched your video about anamorphic lenses. I decided to get one. Sirui had a 50mm out at that time. I wanted to get it but wasnt sure about the focal length. Then came out the 35mm. Still I couldn't convince myself to get one. But the anamorhic look, the blue horizontal lines were like sirens. Now I have the 24mm and it seems like I don't have enough. Thanks .
Haha. Which one would you recommend for starters and starting with anamorphic? Been researching these days and some time ago too. But, although the 50mm 1.8 is quite “cheap”, I feel that the 24mm could be more useful. BUT, seems to not have so much oval bokeh (duuuh, the wider the smaller bokeh balls…).
actually, potato made everything clear for those who never had an experience with anamorphic lenses, I think just a small amount of people (pro users or nerds like you will use it) and nothing wrong with whats potato mention in his videos, so guys don't blame Gene.
I have seen that squeeze factor change effect in classic cinemascope film during a shot with extreme focus pull. At the time I attributed it to the cinemascope lens, but wasn't sure exactly what I was seeing. There was one notable example, but it was long ago and I can't recall what film it was.
Great video Tito! I've always maintained that Potato Jet rushes his videos, which is understandable because he needs to get a lot of videos out weekly, but that results to some of his videos just being very poor representations of the product he is showcasing. Case and point, his Red Komodo "review". Thanks for the video!
To be honest, I enjoyed this video, and as a guy interested in cinematography and planning to invest in Sirui glasses, it was very informative. Hats off to you, from a brother you'll never meet.
Long time follower here looking for an answer. I got the Sirui anamorphic lens via indie gogo with the canon r mount. I can't seem to find a canon r to Leica L adapter. What would you advise. I'm trying to use this on the sigma FP. Is there a possible combination of adapters ?
Canon RF and Leica L have identical flange distances, meaning there's no way you can adapt one to the other. The only solution is to replace the lens mount. You can check out MTF Services in the UK as they used to offer such option. :)
I am a highly experienced photographer and have yet to meet a lens - any lens at all, that I did not like. But I do like choosing the right lens for the job. That is where the experience comes in. Mister Potato needs to apply himself more succinctly in terms of critical review of technical attributes he does not yet quite understand.
Don’t forget Terrence Wilkins wonderful work with his Cinelux. But hey I’m glad Mr. Potato finds the adapters not to his liking, and his subscribers will stop driving the prices up for us true aficionados.
impressive video, I do not know much about anamorphic lenses, I would like to use anamorphic or anamorfake lenses, any easier method to convert helios 402 or sigma art 35mm to anamorfake?
Is saying that these lenses would be fine for a professional wedding shoot an over simplification? While it is easy to imagine some of the amazing shots they could produce it is hard to imagine the bride groom, wedding party or guests etc being enthusiastic about overly rounded faces in close up shots. This is just not the type of compromise people accept lightly. For the video producer to correct for all of this in the editing process would require quite a bit of work and without a reference picture how would one calculate the correct amount of desqueeze? Perhaps a video dedicated to this topic would be in order. You could demonstrate a work flow for a real life project and demonstrate how people might best manage this problem from the selection of the best lens down to the editing process. I assume that if you use a lower desqueeze factor you then have to crop the video to produce a consistent aspect ratio etc. Potato Jet has indeed pointed out a very real issue here. As someone who owns Sirui lenses I am sure it something we can work around but your expertise could speed that process along.
I appreciate the suggestion of for a more in-depth video and I assure you I'm working on that! Potato Jet did point a real issue, I never dismissed that, I thank him for bringing it up. In the meantime, one of the easiest ways to work around the issue is to use close up filters, which will help you stay closer to infinity focus and a consistent aspect ratio. The overall aspect ratio is also not such a big issue, as we're talking about 2-5% difference in rescaling the shot as a whole, after properly desqueezed. :)
@@AnamorphicOnABudget I am glad you are considering a follow on video. I always knew the squeeze factor varied but none of the many reviews that I had watch pointed out the implications in such dire terms so clearly this has me a little concerned. I was glad you took up the topic because that is how I actually learned about the Potato Jet video. My biggest concern is keeping the work flow relatively simple. If you have to treat every close up shot separately in the work flow then for some projects that becomes problematic. Avoiding the problem by staying closer to infinity focus definitely seems like the logical approach but that that does limit the range of the lens. I will look forward to a future video and thank you for all you do for the community.
I just got a Sony a74 and then today bought the full frame 50mm emount. Whats a diopter? Do I need one?all I wanted to do was shoot imax w my broke a$$ and now im like 10k deep lol.
Anamorphic is definitely not for everyone. If someone doesn't like it, there's plenty to criticize. Generally thoguh, the image issues some dislike, are the vary aspects fans love. Including high expense, cumbersomeness ect. Some people enjoy the challenge and the problem solving.
You missed his point, the choice of a lens is not only because of a look and budget. Potato jet highlights a real problem that you denied and called "accepting compromise". If a lens makes you go to after effects and fix you shot one by one, it's affecting your workflow. and it's not a harsh thing to say "I personally won't use it in a professional shot" it's to be realistic and say your true opinion. Potato jet meant that professional shot required reliable equipment, and this lens is not reliable for him, he can use a different anamorphic lens and still get the look he is after. He said the word "personally" because for some people like you this workflow is fine because you get a low cost lens with anamorphic. Idk if I sound angry in this comment, just want to say that everything is good. Btw I agree with some of the rest of the stuff you talked about.
Great video and great channel. I have a talking head UA-cam channel and find these anamorphic lenses really interesting. Question is, if you had $1.000 for a lens and you are doing talking heads and b-roll with a gh5,gm1, and bmpcc 4k, what lens would you buy?
He has the best way of testing this lens right behind him: The circular poster on the wall! Shoot this in the centre of the frame then the edges a measure if the horizontal compression is different!
It is good you uploaded this video. I just like every conversation about this topic and we as filmmakers should discuss about our projects and videos to gain more and more knowledge out of it.
Thanks for such great info as usual. And thanks for making me realize my Panasonic has that cool advantage of stabilization with anamorphic. Why is it that Panasonic can stabilize the anamorphic - Does it have to be done the anamorphic mode that accompany’s some of their cameras??
Yes. They then apply a different type of stabilization, when in Anamorphic Mode. Pretty cool. Anamorphic on the go! You have to be open and flexible nowadays, not stubborn yourself to rigs and stuff, if the situation is NOT requesting it.
what I've noticed in terms of the 1.33 ratio is that davinci resolve automatically puts it into a 1.25 ratio by default...I then have to adjust it manually to 1.33...
No it doesn't. Just change the pixel size to 1.33X in clip attributes in the media panel. Then change the resolution in project properties by multiplying the horizontal resolution by 1.33X.
Great vid! Quick question: Do I need to set my internal camera settings in a specific way so that the anamorphic effect becomes clear and noticeable? Thanks again for the great video.
Wow. Awesome video. So much good information. I'm about to buy this 35mm for a film I'm about to shoot on the Panasonic S5. It's available for L mount now. (At least according to Amazon and B&H. Hope that's true) Excited to shoot with it, and grateful I found your channel. About to devour some more of your videos. Thanks for sharing all this valuable infornation. Much appreciated.
@@AnamorphicOnABudget yep! Expect these were internal versus being at the front. (Since Dan likes to use rear filters for effects like pro mists) also I just find it cooler when a large budget will still employ diy techniques. (Or this case ask ARRI to do it for you)
Damn! I love this channel so, as much as I love anamorphics, dayum! Thanks for this Tito, you rock. And there's nothing wrong with what Gene said, but Tito went deeper obviously, what our friend PotatoJet wanted was a light review on his channel talking as open as possible, and he did which is why I think he is a great person and a fun with lots of informational bits channel. Again, the expert here will be Tito.
Whew! I just bought one and then, a week later saw the Potato video, buyers remorse ensued. So, I appreciate your voice of reason here. I am a little more at ease now, just need to get a great shot with it for the full cure
Good job, Tito; valid rebuttal! We don't all have the same privileges and getting to work with this or that gear. It's best to remain humble, thankful, encouraging and enthusiastic about our craft and art. Anamorphics have been a niche within a niche for so long: it's nice to see the availability of the various flavors to a wider group of film makers. In the end, it's what you make with what you've got. Thanks for keeping it real.
We made a pretty cool short film with 2 sirui anamorphic lenses and a Sony fx6, it ended up looking pretty beautiful. Using anamorphic lenses for regular content creation such as vlogs, weddings and live events is kind of missing the point of what you can do with an anamorphic lens.
Can u suggest some diopters for medium and close up shots using the 50,35,24 mm sirui anamorphic lenses . I don't want to worry about figuring out what to change the desqueez setting to get the proper look.
Hi tanks for your video. Would like to talk about stabilisation in anamorphic. Do you think that the new Sony “gyro” stabilisation works with Sirui anamorphic? I think it should. But is my thought. Tanks for your opinion in advanced.
Nice video,I have VD-01 anamorphic lens and how do you desqueeze the image. I'm having Samsung Android phone and kindly suggest the app to get the right footage. Is there any third party app?
You can desqueeze it out of the camera using filmic pro and mcpro24fps. I highly recommend mcpro24fps purely due to the features for the lut settings available to you
Some people only worship high end equipments. Try being an indie filmmaker with no money. Professionalism is not about equipments, it's about attitude, craftmanship and skills.
i have been looking at the full frame lens that sirui has. i film on an a7iii and it can only record video in 16:9 and im not a huge fan of the 2.8:1 aspect ratio you get with it. anyone that has any thoughts?
I wouldn’t take other people’s opinions to heart .. anyone who knows anything of substance about filmmaking knows that this is all subjective. I own all 3 Sirui Anamorphic’s, and for me, yes.. FOR ME, they work fine.. a great distraction to move the audiences attention away from the stark digital acquisition of the camera.
I bought a SonyA7 and looking to buy my first lens , it’s mainly just to shoot movies, which lens do you recommend I buy first , I really like the price of the 24mm sirui, but like the flexibility of DZO 20-55 but I love the look of anamorphic, and Sony being full frame I’ve come to learn probably wasn’t the camera I should have bought?
This is the nerdiest diss track ever and I love it!
This comment made me laugh!
Shaggy's bring the fire.
😂 man what’s awesome is how readily this information is available for consumption. When I started you had to go to film school to learn all of this (various channels, Peter McKinnon, potatoe jet, this guy and others. ). Now there is no excuse. Love these guys providing so much information.
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Let this be a warning to other youtubers that are looking for a new topic for a vlog; don’t mess with anamorphics unless you are Obi Wan Kenobi or Tito Ferradans!
Hear hear.
hold my beer. :)
@@MAKEARTNOWCHANNEL I was just thinking when I read Patrick's comment that there's this zany American UA-camr who models himself after Tony Stark and puts heavy anamorphics on dinky gimbals.
Oh that is an awesome response.
The Anamorphic Professor has spoken
Thanks for video Tito! Glad to see your production quality always keeps improving even after all these years. As affordable anamorphic becomes more widespread, we'll keep seeing these kinds of questions that us scope addicts know all too well. Your channel is still the go-to when it comes to anamorphic know-how, and I think that's something to be proud of. :)
Thank you so much for the support, Chris!
Thanks for the shoutout Tito! I wholeheartedly agree. Once you've seen footage shot on an anamorphic projection lens looking incredible on the biggest ad screen in Europe... It really ends the quality question!
A well-spoken response, I commend you on that. I'm a 1st AC and it's nice to see someone informing people the truth with varying anamorphics
This is one of the best videos I've seen from you for a long as you deal with P.J.'s comments on this lens in a very (!) professional and nice way - congratulations!
And you know what? Just the combination of your introductory video, P.J.'s great footage, and now your great comments make this lense even more attractive than ever before.
Thanks to you and P.J.!
very competent and comprehensive argumentation against a rather emotional and not so profound "criticism"; the other guy not even knows about differing squeeze factors in relation to focussing... a simple beginners knowledge.. the same with the criticism about IBIS etc. thank you very much for your efforts to make that clear
So We have to de squeeze in post if we shoot with an anamorphic lens or we can use the footage like shot by other spherical lenses ?
You have to desqueeze.
@@AnamorphicOnABudget Thank you sir
Would it be effective to put a big circle on a slate so that you have a reference to calibrate the squeeze amount if you're sitting on an extreme for the lens's focal range?
That's a pretty good idea, as long as your AC is doing a good job of focusing the slate on the head of each shot!
@@AnamorphicOnABudget draw a circle on every actors forehead, problem solved.
@@Ephisus Didn't they sort of do that for Jamie Lee Curtis' character in Everything Everywhere All At Once? Not for this reason, sadly. hahahah
This is a wierldly specific site that just happens to be very timely. Right place at the right time.
So glad you pointed this out! Great response!
Thanks for the video and the hard work you and your team put in. I've been a follower for ages and did my first lens mod after watching you do it, been quite a journey there.
Love that attitude of appreciating things for what they are and whether they are suitable for the project, instead of judging by the labels that have been slapped on top of them. It's a huge topic, but honestly these days it feels like marketing and consumerism distract people from understanding why they use certain tools, and many people buy things without understanding why or understanding if there's a need for it.
Great Video. Thanks a lot for pointing these out!
I had already seen Potato Jet’s video and in reviewing it you produced a really useful resource for us all. My impression of Potato Jet is that he is a really lovely guy and I am sure he will appreciate your input. More reviews please :)
Man, thanks so much!
I actually watched his video yesterday (again) and said to myself: ditch the idea of buying the 50mm from Sirui.
Today, UA-cam recommended your video :)
Hi, I followed you a year now and also Potato J. But when I saw his „review“ I was laughing out loud because of the exact points you talk about.
Very great form you to send out this correction in such a nice way. Love it.
I will become a member of you Chanel and spend „a coffee“ a month to support you.
Keep going with your content. Love it.
Stefan
Thank you! It's awesome when more people join! Come on folks, it's easy!
The squeeze issue - instead of adjusting the width, just stretch the height a tad. Lose a little of the top and bottom and you will maintain the width,.just remember to keep enough headroom.
Thank you for your service Tito!
Hi Tito & Potato Jet,
just a quick update: in the meanwhile I purchased the lens, experimenting with it on my Lumix S1H since a few weeks.
This lens exceeded my expectations by far: built like a tank, perfect smoothness of both focus and apperture, razor sharp from edge to edge, nice flares when light hits the lens directly from the front, on the other side quite robust against unwanted flaring (I did not expect this!).
Yes, there is some little squeeze-breathing when focusing - but not too wild and a result of the selected construction and not Sirui's fault.
Only challenge I still have with this lens is finding the perfect focus w/o using the internal EVF of my S1H, i.e. in run & gun mode. So, I am practicing and practicing and getting better every day.
Another thing I was totally unaware of is that when using the 5.4 K mode on my S1H, this lens with its 1.6 squeeze factor turns my S1H into an 8,64 K monster!
Yes, the additional resolution gets created by the NLE (in my case Davinci Resolve Studio) when interpolating additional pixels during horizontal desqueeze - but it all looks so great and immersive.
When I recently used my spherical lens and reviewed the footage on my screen I felt like watching an 'amputated' piece of video.
Guess what, this is my 'always on lens' for the time being.
Thanks to Tito for bringing 'The Anamorphic' to so many of us!
One correction when you state Panasonic is the only manufacture with stabilization for anamorphic. - the canon c70 does this too - there is actually a menu option for anamorphic image stabilization although it is electronic stabilization and not true IBIS
Thank you! The C70 is fairly new, so I was not aware of that!
my 2 cents: potato jet is a legit content creator, really funny dude, and has become super knowledgeable on general industry tech. his following completely warrants this kind of response so good on you for defending the lenses.
THAT SAID, any real story teller with a true affinity for cinematic story telling would never complain about any of what potato jet had a problem with. youtubers in general tend to over analyze out of a need to make extensive content. and while their opinions absolutely matter, they should NEVER solely guide a true filmmakers decision. I.e. dismissing the adapters over extra time in post... when working on a budget you will always have to work extra in post on one thing or another. its a trade off so if you like the look of those anamorphic adapters, maybe the 5 seconds per clip in post is worth it.
We live in such an amazing time for story tellers right now where we can buy everything we need to make a career defining feature film for under 10k but you'd never guess it if you only paid attention to youtubers who's entire jobs are to push the limits of tech designed to compete with equipment 10x more expensive. (bmpcc vs alexa videos crack me up)
sorry this was so long winded but for me, the creators of affordable groundbreaking tech do far more for the creative space than any one person's opinion of their products. creators like Potato Jet are fantastic but let's not give them more power than they deserve.
the price of the gear doesn't matter as much. At least i wouldn't put that much thought into it. Take for instance the Ursa mini 12k is comparable to the alexa mini LF. Search ursa 12k vs alexa mini lf.
It's not so much that potato jet was incorrect on alot of points, it's that he always talks like he is absolutely correct on everything he says. For me, PJ has a slight troll quality in his reviews. The way he man handles expensive gear is highly irritating. The most amazing camera can come out and PJ will most likely throw up a video saying why he will never buy it. It was so satisfying to see a calm, educated clap back video. SUBBED!
He'll never buy it because all gear manufacturers will send him for free so he can be snobbish about that lol
Great job sir, appreciated and well done.
I enjoy your positive energy in pointing out that various equipment have both strengths and weaknesses but the operator must be sensible about how and when to use it.
This is beautiful! I love responses like this
Phenomenal response!! Invaluable information! I use with ease of understanding and practical experience two ISCO anamorphic adapters thanks to many of your posts and explanations! Thank you Anamorphic professor and please Keep it up!
Ok I know it's about the look you want but are the vazen easier to focus than the sirui ? I want to get the 32mm vazen anamorphic but Will I have a harder time getting the image I want than the 40mm vazen or 65mm ? You mentioned something about close up anamorphics not delivering as good a image as and the longer lengths ?
They're pretty similar. Sirui is sharper on critical focus, so it'll make it easier to tell what's focused and what's not. There's no 32mm Vazen though, so I have no idea of what you're talking about.
As for longer focal lengths, that applies to adapter setups only, as most focusing solutions are tailored to 50mm taking lenses. When talking about an anamorphic LENS, you're unlikely to face those issues.
@@AnamorphicOnABudget I meant the 28mm vazen
I watched that video and wanted to ask about that "warping" effect
Did I answer it here?
@@AnamorphicOnABudget yeah I think so. Also as someone who owns the Anamorphot-50 1.33x I raised my eyebrows a bit when he trash-talked them. It works incredibly well for my setup.
I thought his comments were a little harsh purely based on how great the footage he shot looked. But both the things he ran into and your further explanations gave some valuable insight in how these lenses work and differ from typical lenses. Thanks.
I am new to anamorphic. Do the Sirui anamorphic lenses work best on a micro four thirds sensor, or on an APS-C sensor....? Or are they just different with field of view, due to the difference between the sensor size between 4/3rds and APS_C? I do like the anamorphic look, and trying to decide between the two systems of either micro four thirds, or an APS-C type camera.
Just different fields of view. They'll work great with either. :)
I'm glad you guys can have this civilized dialogue and add corrections to educate people rather than arguing :D no youtube drama here just film nerds who want to get the best results
It really bothers me when people talk about ‘faking the anamorphic look’ and are connoting to the flares. The ‘anamorphic look’ is the field of view you get from a cylindrical lens versus a spherical lens. That’s the look, the flares are simply a byproduct.
I don't super agree with this, but I don't think I'll be able to change your mind. :P
I don't think potato was dissing anamorphic so much as expressing his personal preference. He's allowed to have his opinions. Tito does a great job on the deep-dive in this response, I didn't think he was dunking on potato so much as explaining why anamorphic lenses are just... different!
Thank you! Yeah, I really like that Gene/Potato has brought anamorphic to a much wider audience! I don't want to put him down at all, just expand on ideas I thought could benefit viewers! :)
I own all 3 Sirui lenses. I have watch most of the review videos on all three. I cannot think of one review video that brings up the de-squeeze issue that Potato Jet raises. It is a valid point and one that will affect my use of the lenses going forward. We may not like Potato Jet conclusions but his technical observations were spot on. That is where this channel comes in because it helps us drill down on the issue and put things in perspective. We have to first understand the issue and then learn how to work with it. I am sure we will do that moving forward. I think we owe both these channels a debt of gratitude for their contributions on this topic.
You’re allowed to have opinions, BUT it would be more helpful if you actually did some more research, experience stuff, BEFORE putting it out there ;-)
Generally speaking.
Hi Tito, thanks for all the clarifications. Lot's of great info. Much needed. Do you have a link to the Oliver Kember video sample you referenced in your video?
I don't! Oli sent me the file directly. You can find more of his stuff at www.cinesaga.com :)
@@AnamorphicOnABudget Thank's Tito. Did he tell you what Anamorphic and taking lenses he used?
@@filmstudent7389 Hey! I shot that footage with a Hypergonar nr.1 (the first 16mm anamorphic projection lens ever made, by Henri Chretien, the inventor of cinemascope!). I think the taking lens in those shots was a good old 58mm Helios!
@@cinesagaltd Thanks for letting me know. Amazing work. The shots from Tito's sample footage look truly stunning. Do you have a link anywhere to the full piece so we all can enjoy it in its entirety?
tito is literally the goat this is so well informed and respectful!!
man i like how you explain it and you saved me time talking to my friends about it am just gonna share this video with them :)
I had no idea about anamorphics. I was looking for a lens and saw an ad of a vintage "anamorphic lens". I was like "what the heck is an anamorphic?" This was about a year ago. Then I watched your video about anamorphic lenses. I decided to get one. Sirui had a 50mm out at that time. I wanted to get it but wasnt sure about the focal length. Then came out the 35mm. Still I couldn't convince myself to get one. But the anamorhic look, the blue horizontal lines were like sirens. Now I have the 24mm and it seems like I don't have enough. Thanks .
Haha.
Which one would you recommend for starters and starting with anamorphic?
Been researching these days and some time ago too.
But, although the 50mm 1.8 is quite “cheap”, I feel that the 24mm could be more useful.
BUT, seems to not have so much oval bokeh (duuuh, the wider the smaller bokeh balls…).
I love the way that you response to potato jet... you have to do a colab guys!!
actually, potato made everything clear for those who never had an experience with anamorphic lenses, I think just a small amount of people (pro users or nerds like you will use it) and nothing wrong with whats potato mention in his videos, so guys don't blame Gene.
Totally! That's even how I start the video. :)
I have seen that squeeze factor change effect in classic cinemascope film during a shot with extreme focus pull. At the time I attributed it to the cinemascope lens, but wasn't sure exactly what I was seeing. There was one notable example, but it was long ago and I can't recall what film it was.
Gene never said the filters were bad he just said he personally hated them
Nice.
Right he put words in his mouth thank m you
You're a classy dude. This channel deserves to grow 10-20 times. Like right now.
Wow ! This video is so great and so clear!! Thanks mate!!
Tito is the man! We love anamorphic for imperfections!
Great video Tito! I've always maintained that Potato Jet rushes his videos, which is understandable because he needs to get a lot of videos out weekly, but that results to some of his videos just being very poor representations of the product he is showcasing. Case and point, his Red Komodo "review". Thanks for the video!
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To be honest, I enjoyed this video, and as a guy interested in cinematography and planning to invest in Sirui glasses, it was very informative. Hats off to you, from a brother you'll never meet.
Long time follower here looking for an answer. I got the Sirui anamorphic lens via indie gogo with the canon r mount. I can't seem to find a canon r to Leica L adapter. What would you advise. I'm trying to use this on the sigma FP. Is there a possible combination of adapters ?
Canon RF and Leica L have identical flange distances, meaning there's no way you can adapt one to the other. The only solution is to replace the lens mount. You can check out MTF Services in the UK as they used to offer such option. :)
I am a highly experienced photographer and have yet to meet a lens - any lens at all, that I did not like. But I do like choosing the right lens for the job. That is where the experience comes in. Mister Potato needs to apply himself more succinctly in terms of critical review of technical attributes he does not yet quite understand.
I love your energy. thank you, I have been almost made my decisions by Jet's opinion only, thank you for making everything clear up.
Don’t forget Terrence Wilkins wonderful work with his Cinelux. But hey I’m glad Mr. Potato finds the adapters not to his liking, and his subscribers will stop driving the prices up for us true aficionados.
thank you, just followed him on vimeo
impressive video, I do not know much about anamorphic lenses, I would like to use anamorphic or anamorfake lenses, any easier method to convert helios 402 or sigma art 35mm to anamorfake?
Subscribed. Love the amount of knowledge this guy has to offer.
Hey @anamorphiconabudget, so should we turn off image stabilization and just handle it in post? Don't have panasonic.
For best results, yes. :)
Is saying that these lenses would be fine for a professional wedding shoot an over simplification? While it is easy to imagine some of the amazing shots they could produce it is hard to imagine the bride groom, wedding party or guests etc being enthusiastic about overly rounded faces in close up shots. This is just not the type of compromise people accept lightly. For the video producer to correct for all of this in the editing process would require quite a bit of work and without a reference picture how would one calculate the correct amount of desqueeze? Perhaps a video dedicated to this topic would be in order. You could demonstrate a work flow for a real life project and demonstrate how people might best manage this problem from the selection of the best lens down to the editing process. I assume that if you use a lower desqueeze factor you then have to crop the video to produce a consistent aspect ratio etc. Potato Jet has indeed pointed out a very real issue here. As someone who owns Sirui lenses I am sure it something we can work around but your expertise could speed that process along.
I appreciate the suggestion of for a more in-depth video and I assure you I'm working on that! Potato Jet did point a real issue, I never dismissed that, I thank him for bringing it up. In the meantime, one of the easiest ways to work around the issue is to use close up filters, which will help you stay closer to infinity focus and a consistent aspect ratio. The overall aspect ratio is also not such a big issue, as we're talking about 2-5% difference in rescaling the shot as a whole, after properly desqueezed. :)
@@AnamorphicOnABudget I am glad you are considering a follow on video. I always knew the squeeze factor varied but none of the many reviews that I had watch pointed out the implications in such dire terms so clearly this has me a little concerned. I was glad you took up the topic because that is how I actually learned about the Potato Jet video. My biggest concern is keeping the work flow relatively simple. If you have to treat every close up shot separately in the work flow then for some projects that becomes problematic. Avoiding the problem by staying closer to infinity focus definitely seems like the logical approach but that that does limit the range of the lens. I will look forward to a future video and thank you for all you do for the community.
I have the 50mm & 35mm Sirui Anamorphic lenses, I'm not complaining.
I’m glad there is another point. I just saw potato jets video
I just got a Sony a74 and then today bought the full frame 50mm emount. Whats a diopter? Do I need one?all I wanted to do was shoot imax w my broke a$$ and now im like 10k deep lol.
You are the internets jedi master of anamorphic.....love this channel....
Anamorphic is definitely not for everyone. If someone doesn't like it, there's plenty to criticize. Generally thoguh, the image issues some dislike, are the vary aspects fans love. Including high expense, cumbersomeness ect. Some people enjoy the challenge and the problem solving.
Thankyou for the explanation! Very helpful 🙏🙏
amazing video Tito, thanks for making it !
You missed his point, the choice of a lens is not only because of a look and budget.
Potato jet highlights a real problem that you denied and called "accepting compromise". If a lens makes you go to after effects and fix you shot one by one, it's affecting your workflow. and it's not a harsh thing to say "I personally won't use it in a professional shot" it's to be realistic and say your true opinion. Potato jet meant that professional shot required reliable equipment, and this lens is not reliable for him, he can use a different anamorphic lens and still get the look he is after. He said the word "personally" because for some people like you this workflow is fine because you get a low cost lens with anamorphic.
Idk if I sound angry in this comment, just want to say that everything is good. Btw I agree with some of the rest of the stuff you talked about.
Great video and great channel. I have a talking head UA-cam channel and find these anamorphic lenses really interesting. Question is, if you had $1.000 for a lens and you are doing talking heads and b-roll with a gh5,gm1, and bmpcc 4k, what lens would you buy?
Sirui 35mm on MFT mount.
@@AnamorphicOnABudget that’s the one I had in mind :)
@@AnamorphicOnABudget I only have 1-2 meter room to film though 🤔 is that gonna be tight?
@@AnamorphicOnABudget just ordered it :)
He has the best way of testing this lens right behind him: The circular poster on the wall! Shoot this in the centre of the frame then the edges a measure if the horizontal compression is different!
It is good you uploaded this video. I just like every conversation about this topic and we as filmmakers should discuss about our projects and videos to gain more and more knowledge out of it.
Thanks for such great info as usual. And thanks for making me realize my Panasonic has that cool advantage of stabilization with anamorphic. Why is it that Panasonic can stabilize the anamorphic - Does it have to be done the anamorphic mode that accompany’s some of their cameras??
Yes.
They then apply a different type of stabilization, when in Anamorphic Mode.
Pretty cool.
Anamorphic on the go! You have to be open and flexible nowadays, not stubborn yourself to rigs and stuff, if the situation is NOT requesting it.
what I've noticed in terms of the 1.33 ratio is that davinci resolve automatically puts it into a 1.25 ratio by default...I then have to adjust it manually to 1.33...
For real?
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No it doesn't. Just change the pixel size to 1.33X in clip attributes in the media panel. Then change the resolution in project properties by multiplying the horizontal resolution by 1.33X.
You mentioned that these lenses work well with Panasonic.. Could this be gh5? I'm planning on moving into that direction.. Thanks man!
Yep, the GH5 is perfect for them. :)
Great response! I hope he sees the video. You bring up some great points.
Great vid! Quick question: Do I need to set my internal camera settings in a specific way so that the anamorphic effect becomes clear and noticeable? Thanks again for the great video.
Nope! The lens does the heavy lifting. :)
@@AnamorphicOnABudget Thank you for replying. Much appreciated!
Wow. Awesome video. So much good information. I'm about to buy this 35mm for a film I'm about to shoot on the Panasonic S5. It's available for L mount now. (At least according to Amazon and B&H. Hope that's true) Excited to shoot with it, and grateful I found your channel. About to devour some more of your videos. Thanks for sharing all this valuable infornation. Much appreciated.
Seems like the chillest dude ever 😂
A side note john wick did not use a streak filter. They actually used an older technique of using fishing wires.
Fishing line is pretty much the same as a streak filter! Here's ARRI's take on it: www.arri.com/news-en/master-anamorphics-on-john-wick-ii-
@@AnamorphicOnABudget yep! Expect these were internal versus being at the front. (Since Dan likes to use rear filters for effects like pro mists) also I just find it cooler when a large budget will still employ diy techniques. (Or this case ask ARRI to do it for you)
Is there any way to solve the squeeze changing tjong or do I have to keyframe it to work in editing?
You have to keyframe. :(
Damn! I love this channel so, as much as I love anamorphics, dayum! Thanks for this Tito, you rock.
And there's nothing wrong with what Gene said, but Tito went deeper obviously, what our friend PotatoJet wanted was a light review on his channel talking as open as possible, and he did which is why I think he is a great person and a fun with lots of informational bits channel. Again, the expert here will be Tito.
ive learned a ton from your vids man thanks
Someone had to say it!
I have XT4 and sirui 50mm and Stabilization working so well
That stabilization, did you set it to 50mm or to its spherical counterpart, which is about 31-32mm?
Great stuff Tito! Keep rocking 🔥🔥
Wow there is a lot to learn about Anamorphic Lenses! Thanks for this insightful video!
Whew! I just bought one and then, a week later saw the Potato video, buyers remorse ensued. So, I appreciate your voice of reason here. I am a little more at ease now, just need to get a great shot with it for the full cure
Great analysis, great critique. Keep the good work!
Much appreciated!
Good job, Tito; valid rebuttal! We don't all have the same privileges and getting to work with this or that gear. It's best to remain humble, thankful, encouraging and enthusiastic about our craft and art. Anamorphics have been a niche within a niche for so long: it's nice to see the availability of the various flavors to a wider group of film makers. In the end, it's what you make with what you've got. Thanks for keeping it real.
Very professional response. Great job bro!
We made a pretty cool short film with 2 sirui anamorphic lenses and a Sony fx6, it ended up looking pretty beautiful. Using anamorphic lenses for regular content creation such as vlogs, weddings and live events is kind of missing the point of what you can do with an anamorphic lens.
Can u suggest some diopters for medium and close up shots using the 50,35,24 mm sirui anamorphic lenses .
I don't want to worry about figuring out what to change the desqueez setting to get the proper look.
Hi tanks for your video. Would like to talk about stabilisation in anamorphic. Do you think that the new Sony “gyro” stabilisation works with Sirui anamorphic? I think it should. But is my thought. Tanks for your opinion in advanced.
Nice video,I have VD-01 anamorphic lens and how do you desqueeze the image. I'm having Samsung Android phone and kindly suggest the app to get the right footage. Is there any third party app?
I'm not familiar with phone workflows anymore, I'd do everything in a computer. :(
You can desqueeze it out of the camera using filmic pro and mcpro24fps. I highly recommend mcpro24fps purely due to the features for the lut settings available to you
@@stuckonurbanstudio thank you very much
Where can I get that shirt?
Here: anamorphic.creator-spring.com/listing/i-see-the-world-in-cinemascope?product=369
Thanks for the video, very well explained!
Some people only worship high end equipments. Try being an indie filmmaker with no money. Professionalism is not about equipments, it's about attitude, craftmanship and skills.
Glad you brought it up.
i have been looking at the full frame lens that sirui has. i film on an a7iii and it can only record video in 16:9 and im not a huge fan of the 2.8:1 aspect ratio you get with it. anyone that has any thoughts?
Crop the sides of 2.8:1 to 2.4:1. :)
@@AnamorphicOnABudget i might end up doing that, as the squeeze factor changing is a bit of a dealbraker
Thanks for the encouragement Tito! I feel more confident now to bring the DIY 2X Elmoscope onto my next professional project 👍🤓
I wouldn’t take other people’s opinions to heart .. anyone who knows anything of substance about filmmaking knows that this is all subjective. I own all 3 Sirui Anamorphic’s, and for me, yes.. FOR ME, they work fine.. a great distraction to move the audiences attention away from the stark digital acquisition of the camera.
You can feel his rage that he is trying SUUUUUUPER hard to hold in
I bought a SonyA7 and looking to buy my first lens , it’s mainly just to shoot movies, which lens do you recommend I buy first , I really like the price of the 24mm sirui, but like the flexibility of DZO 20-55 but I love the look of anamorphic, and Sony being full frame I’ve come to learn probably wasn’t the camera I should have bought?
Nice man! Very positive energy response
This the second video I’ve seen of yours coming at potato’s. Okay I’m subbed now
Second? Maybe you've seen it twice? hahaha.
Thank you so Much sir For Guide us
Thank you! :D