Why The Supra Is STILL Toyota's Biggest Mistake
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- Опубліковано 12 лип 2023
- The MKIV Supra is perhaps the fastest, best looking, and most DESIRABLE supercar killer ever created by man.
Or so say the testosterone fueled teenagers on the internet.
And in some ways, Supra kids, you may be right!
But - the only reason any car enthusiast freaks out when they see one
Is because NOBODY bought them.
This is the MKIV Toyota Supra. A car that EVERY enthusiast knows and respects, but one that FAILED MISERABLY in its own time - and tarnished the Supra name, forever.
This is the story of the MKIV Supra
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In the 90s, the manager at the local Dairy Queen had a Mark IV Supra, and would proudly park it next to the Dairy Queen sign
Which Should One Suggest So Be It Done In Regards To One Flagging A Supra In Such A Manner
😂😂
I grew up in the 90s I remember seeing a Supra back then practically new and remember the feeling that car was special before I ever see it on the big screen.
I have only ever seen one of these supra's in irl, it belonged to to a woman that worked at a local diy store. It was low slung had the widest body kit i've ever seen and the biggest exhaust outlets. The kicker of my short story is....she was in her early to mid 70's yep you read that right she was a senior citizen.
Holy shit😂😂 she woulda been the coolest grandma out there just because it wasn't stock
she a savage grandma
It's just like Lexus LFA. It was so expensive when it was launched but now people are starting to look for it
The first time I seen a Mark 4 Supra was at a Toyota dealership near the Gwinnett Mall area in Duluth, GA back in the fday. If my memory is correct the MRSP was like $50k. That was a real expensive car for the average working person back in the 90's.
Now the Gwinnett mall is dead
Been my dream car since I was 9 in 95
If a recall correctly at the time in stock trim the Supra was considered heavy and slow by the local media here in Australia. In comparisions at the time (in stock trim remember) it would not see what way an RX-7 went, could not even keep up with a much cheaper 200SX and would slowly see the 300ZX's (non turbo) taillights disparear in to distance too, all for more money than any of them - and this was not just in a staight line either, local production car racing at the time also showed it was not at the front of the pack either. If I remember too, thay when often even shown the door by the hot hatches of the time in traffic light duals on Saturday nights. Turn the boost up and it became a differing story as everone knows, but stock for stock (with the 206kW limited power in place) it was easily the worst of all the Japanese coupes at the time.
I have a couple of automotive magazines from the early 90's featuring the supra and they are very positive about the supra's stock performance and build quality. Also many car manufacturers started building more track focused cars from their existing models which toyota never did with the supra it being a gt car so seeing the supra fall back is not that surprising.
thats becase its Asstralia, they eat shit aka liquified babysit aka vegimite and enjoy it.
Growing up in the 80’s, the Supra was always priced alongside the American pony cars. It was in line with the Mustang and Camaro. When the Supra mk4 came out, it was priced way above its competitors. Even above the Corvette and some 911’s. It was a great car. But they priced themselves out of the target market. Meanwhile, Nissan 300zx twin turbo, Mitsubishi turbo vr4 , Mazda RX7 and the American muscle cars were much more reasonably priced. If it would’ve entered the market badged as something other than a Supra, it might have had a chance. Just a few years earlier, you could buy a brand new mk3 Supra for about $5000. Let that sink in. That’s why it failed. Not because it was a bad car. Quite the contrary. It was a great car. But Supra buyers weren’t prepared to pay Porsche money. It was just a dumb move by Toyota.
Lets not forget that in the 1990s the American automakers had different types of cars. Different types of Corvettes like the ZR1s , Grand Sports, Dodge Vipers, Firebird Trans Ams with the WS6 and Firehawks, Mustangs with the GTs and Cobras , Camaros like the Z28s and SSs
And along the C5 Corvette that came with the V8 LS engines
This was a time when the horsepower and torque ratings of the American cars was going up . This wasn't the 80s anymore
I own a 94 Mk4 Supra and I love it!The A80 Supra was always my dream car when I was a kid. I fell in love with it when I saw Paul Walker 🙏 driving it in the first fast & furious movie when I was 8. Awesome high quality video! Well done!
I was part of that poster era when I first saw the Supra in the fast and the furious… I was 13. Love to own one someday
ive only seen 1 supra(mk4) in my life and it was in a drift shop where it's being repainted and inside was also a skyline gtr r34 which is really cool and thats the reason why i wanted to apply their but they were full
Dam i miss my Supra Should have never sold it Great show great car😂😂✌️🔥🔥
How much did you sell it for and when
The 1990-96 300ZX came to market 3 years earlier than the Supra and was better looking both outside and inside. It also had better driving dynamics and a smoother ride.
My buddy made good money in the 90’s and went to the Nissan dealer and buy a Twin Turbo it was a great car
Same is happening to the mk v inflated prices and low stock 😢
Which MK5 are you talking about?
There's different types of Mk5s. The Inline 4 B48 version
The Inline 6 B58 "normal" version.
The GR version, and the soon to be released GRMN version
You mean that BMW 😏
@@gadget4208 In your crap logic, a Buggatti is a Volkswagen?
I dont know why legendary JDM cars like the S2K and Supra were priced so high. If only Honda and Toyota priced them so they could have been attainable by the enthusiast that wanted them... we all could have enjoyed them
A new Honda S2000 was around $34k in 2001 I bought a Yellow AP1 in 2002
The Supra wasn't really priced high, it was cheap compared to it's intended western GT car targets. The problem was that Toyota underestimated how much car racism would affect sales, as not many Aston Martin or Ferrari buyers wanted a Toyota even if it was a better car. Sad to say that if they had badged it as a Lexus LC outside of Japan it would have sold significantly higher.
Ya'll keep bringin' up "the mk4 has a fighter jet cockpit" yet yall aint gonna mention that the C4 Corvette from the very early 1990s already had a "fighter jet cockpit"?
Long before the MK4 Supra came about
I never regretted buying mine...still purrrrrrrs
Either like it or not the mk4 Supra was in the top 10 fastest production cars in the world back in 1993 and had the best tuning potential than any other vehicle. It's stock engine, transmission, differential and in general it's drivetrain is unmatched by any car even today with capabilities of 300%+ increase HP and still deliver with reliability. It's design and looks can be debated, not the best looking one, I would say 6/10 though with some nice aftermarket body kits can reach the 8/10, but it's interior cockpit design is 10/10 from the factory and unique even today! It is what it is
Watching this in a mk4 supra lmao. I gotta say I love the car. I love the gtr and rx7 also.
We need an Altezza video
Where i live the mk IV supra is around €35 000
MK3 Supras were best looking to me, pop up/down headlights and long penis looking hood.........😂😂😂😂😂
The initial draft prototype at 2:55 should have been the new Supra.
I could get past a BMW engine if it was wrapped in this.
A well tuned 2jz and this body would be even better.
Supra mk4 is like a mistake child when it's good at first then starts to get annoying but you can't disown it
I actually not a huge fan of the mk4 supra i prefer other Jdm cars
For example the fd rx7 was the most beautiful Jdm car there is and the rotary engine is a heavenly choir
I think mk4 supras are what starts car people off
@@Alfiepowers Nah its just a overrated 12 yo shit now
@@lakshveerchauhan289 yeah but its what starts kids liking cars i guess, i went through that phase
@@Alfiepowersol naw I'm 35 years old(born in 87'. New Orleans, Louisiana) and the MK4 didn't "start me off as a car person", the Delorean DMC-12 along with Mustangs and Vipers did. And this was literally during the early 1990s
@@Alfiepowersyou are wrong in so many way my friend, just to not type a long text, let me just say, fast and furious is not the only race car film
I for one like the MK3 with the 1jz
Ive seen a few MK IV Supra's, and they are masterpieces on four wheels.
2JZ first began in the Toyota JZA147/Aristo/GS.
Not the Supra MK4!
And the MK4 is a dressed-up Lexus SC 300 and 400
The 1st ever JZ powerplant was introduced in a Supra thought. The mk3 JZA70 model with the 1JZ back in 1990.
@@thesupralegacy You're talking about the 1JZ. The 1JZ was introduced first in the Toyota Soarer (which the Supra MK3 A70 is based on the Soarer).
Its weird how much of a presence the supra has.
Perks of living in Australia.. These supras are EVERYWHERE.. With Japanese VIN plates
Mt Rushmore of JDM R34 FD MK4 (add ur own for 4th)
The supra was literally a 4th Gen FBody!
The Toyota Supra in stock form is nothing really to takk about lol the engine just has tons of potential that's all
My MKIV 6 Speed Hardtop is my Supplemental 401k when I retire in 30 years maybe it will be worth 250k LOL
0:01 it's a Bruneian Supra??!?
5:43 yep its definetely bruneian 🇧🇳
calling an SUV practical is like calling a Porsch 911 a family car
When stock it is not : the fastest car, the best looking car, the best handling car, the best 0-60 time, the "best" car. it a good car yes but over rated. if everyone didn't go nuts on it like they are i would've actually loved the car, and i do like it.
The MK4 A80 Supra (fourth generation Supra) came at a bad time in the 1990s.
Cars(especially the American/USA types)like the Trans Am Firebirds(WS6s, others), Mustangs(Cobras, others), Camaros(Z28s, SSs, others), Corvette(ZR1, others) etc where having a Renaissance of Horsepower rising compared to the 1980s(with the exceptions if the Buick Grand National/GNX ), along with the debut of the Dodge Vipers(GTS, RT/10), is what hurted the Supra MK4 A80 in sales.
Including the debut of the Corvette C5 with it's then-new LS V8 engine
Side note: The MK4 A80 Supra RZ Turbocharged trim had a tough time against base(normal) C4 Corvettes of the 1990s(and especially costing a few thousands more than the base C4 Corvette models).
2JZ series engine didn't start in the MK4 A80, it actually started in the Toyota JZA147(Aristo)/Lexus GS. NOT the MK4 A80 Supra.
Plus the Supra MK4 A80 literally came from the Lexus SC400/300(and the 300 had the 2JZ series engine, while the 400 had the V8 1UZ engine has the top engine choice over the 2JZ)
One last thing, the MK3 A70 Supra (Third Generation) is the best selling Supra to date
My uncle owns a MK4 supra
looks like i might had been the first kid not to love supra and i am glad because it is not a good car. It is not bad but not good either
So Toyota got f'd twice by GT-R first Supra was costly and later in 2010 it's was the LFA that was overpriced while GTR which was like 80K meanwhile LFA was 300k+
The 3000GT VR4 was the reason the Supra failed. It was a little cheaper, cheaper to insure (that's why the tiny rear seats exist), faster, better looking, better interior, better handling, far more practical, better sound system, easier to tune with just a boost controller, ect.
The 3S/DS sold in the +150k range. The VR4 alone sold around 25k.
If you lived back then, you know it was thee worst of the Japanese sports cars. Not until tuners figured out how to modify it was it ever a success.
Stock, handling was the worse, interior the worst and uncomfortable, appearance still horrible, looks like a eggplant without the wing. The Supra is one of the worst reliable cars Toyota has ever made.
And the 3000GT(and or Nissan 300Z) was originally chose to be in "The Fast And The Furious".
While the MK4 Supra was picked at the last minute (or second) cause the opened-roof was easy access for the "semi-truck scene"
Yeah I still want one lol
I didn't know that it was a failure , but if it was a failure it's pretty obvious why . Nine out of ten people aren't car people . Nine out of 10 people would rather just buy the cheap front wheel drive car .
Just like the LFA...
we have to thank fast and furious 1 for making it famous again
They didn't make it famous,it was I was going to be..the supar made the fast f famous.
Hell nah
@@dorron2595 Are you sure about that? Where I'm from (new Orleans, Louisiana), in the 1990s, we didn't have Supras(MK4) showing up around like that. Mainly different kinds of Camaros, Firebirds, Mustangs,
R34 GTR and the Supra are the 2 best cars made...
Supraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
I daily drive my 97 sc300, its better than a supra because it is a supra 😉
12 year olds crying rn
The Price what's stop people!
the Supra was not a mistake for Toyota until they put a BMW engine in it.
The MK4 Supra was roughly $90,000 in today's money. Of course Toyota will never evolve the greatness of the MK4 today.
Wow
How much did Fast and the Furious save the Supra?
The ae86, or the MR2 are more exciting to me then the Supra.
Let's not forget the 1990s Eclipse especially the top-performance variant
@@crowderbanks636 I like cars I can whip around corners and fast. One I don’t live in a place with a lot of straight always and two anything over like 90 is a ticket waiting to happen so I’d never get to see the Supra to its full potential very often.
@@Mr.Plant1994 Yeah. If you watch period 1990s of Best Motoring films, with the Supra A80 included , it didn't do much better around corners as the other vehicles
For me it’s the ST205 or ST185 Celica. I just like them better.
One of the best car Toyota ever make
It's the 2jz motor that was best ever made
Supra mark 4 was over engineered able to handle plenty of hp.
And the supar is and will the goat the king the legend.and u cnt blow up the engine
The real reason this car is so beloved is because Fast and Furious made it look awesome.
Now I'm glad that enthusiasts and critics are realizing we should've given it the credit it deserved when it came out.
Got to say the mk4 supra is overrated
Overrated+overhated at the same time
Plus in stock form, the RZ Turbocharged Supra MK4 A80 models barely outran the C4 base(normal) stock models of the 1990s....while costing a FEW thousands more than the 1990s C4 Corvette base models
@@Orjan06only good thing about supra is its engine
What other 90s car can make 1000 horsepower on a factory engine and transmission?
@@siemorjj8081Literally that's a dumb comment. No 2JZ engine can make "1000 HP stock"
People who call a jza80 a mk4 supra don't know shit
Imagine if they maintain the 2jZ ? they could have sold millions of Supra.
Why? They could have upgraded the power year after year until the block can't hold anymore.
Say 2020, the power is 350hp, then 2021 400hp, then 2022 450hp, 2023 500hp, 2024 600hp ALL THE WAY TO 2,000HP hahahahahaha 😅😅😅😅
LFA … MKIV went thought it. Iconic Yotas in general
This Supra has an unreliable German POS engine
37th like GG
The Supra wasn't really priced high, it was quite cheap compared to it's intended western GT car targets. The problem was that Toyota underestimated how much car racism would affect export sales, as not many Aston Martin or Ferrari buyers wanted to own a Toyota even if it was a better car. Sad to say that if they had badged it as a Lexus LC outside of Japan it would have sold significantly higher.
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@@spikethegamer6690 bro, its just a joke, dont take it seriously😄
I like the Mitsubishi 3000gt over supra. The car created the tech that every super car uses these days for added breaking and everything. It added stability control and electronic aero and even when it was that heavy could turn better than a Porsche in most cases that and even was the car that made Porsche and do u wants ur kids to grow dreaming of Mitsubishis? Too bad the car was too heavy and it was more of a show car than an actual sports car as Mitsubishi's bread and butter was always rally
The 3000GT was heavy for HIGH SPEED STABILITY. It's not that much heavier than a 300ZX, Mk IV Supra, or R34
The 3000GT designer said, he wanted to design a car that could do everything. He wanted it to be able to drive up a mountain in a snow storm.
The 3000GT is the only Japanese sports car of the era that could go off-road stock, get on the Autobahn at 155mph in a torrential downpour, and pull up to an expensive restaurant in something that looks better than a Lamborghini, Ferrari, Porsche, Mercedes, BMW, Bentley, Rolls Royce, Maserati, Lotus, while doing it for a fraction of the cost, and in more comfort.
@@dct124 it also had 4 seats too if I remember correctly.not spacious but can seat 4 ordinary sized people. It's basically the blue blueprint of a modern supercar. Sadly all people know is the supra hype. Sadge. My brother and I love supra from NFS most wanted and we like the car too but we're not brain dead
@@maddog_majima9553 The rear seats were made to lower car insurance. Granted you could fit a child, child seat and small adults. I used mine for storage and groceries. The closest new car that comes to a 3000GT is the Ferrari 812.
@@maddog_majima9553 most people saw the Supra as the hero car in Fast and Furious. Peak Ricer era. The 3000GT died in 2Fast2Furious when they brought out that hideous body kit. They just needed a stock Gen 1 with maybe lowering springs.
And the supar is the legend,no one talks abt the car u talking abt..
The supra
The LFA
Toyota can really make the best ever cars but always somehow drop the ball… sports cars are just not in the toyota dna
However the new corrolla and yaris gr might just change the game
I don't buy that......MK5 A90/J29 is doing well compared to the MK4 A80 Supra (and has already had people rack up 800hp or more on the Supra Mk5's Stock Bottom End on its B58 series inline 6 engines).
And the MK3 A70 Supra sold better compared to the MK4 A80 Supra. Plus the Lexus SC Coupes (which where the Supra came from) sold better to the MK4 A80 Supra
Yes but you’re comparing toyota to toyota, the lfa was a flop. The mk4 supra was a flop and the mk5 supra isnt doing anywhere near aswell as its competition. The mk5 was specifically made for supra fans but they dropped the ball again by using a bmw engine. The mk5 is a worse; uglier looking version of the m2 coupe
@@aqibfreed4672 Like I already said in the comments, the MK5 A90/J29 has clearly been doing well in sales COMPARED to the MK4 A80 Supra.
And also Toyota made the right decision to have a Inline 6 from a different manufacturer/automaker. Which literally Toyota making a new inline 6 from scratch would've been expensive and made the pricetag high on the car.
So how TF "Toyota dropped the ball again"?????
And you sayin' that the "MK5 is uglier"???? I can tell you literally dont know for the fact that the MK4 A80 Supra was well-liked by most during the 1990s. And was bad-mouthed as well
@@aqibfreed4672 "MK5 isn't doi g anywhere near as well as it's competition".
That's a damn lie cause folks are actually preferring the MK5 A90/J29 over the Nissan 400Z. Which that doesn't fit your made-up narrative
I meant its german compeition. The car shares the same engine as bmw, the bmw costs more. Yet the bmw is still more desirable. The mk5 isa. Flop because the people it was designed for themselves do not like it.
The new 400z is also a failure with the majority of 350/370z lovers.
People be like omg the mkiv is best supra. No one wants to admit the mkv is the better Supra.
Yeah and for the fact the mkiv wasn't much liked like that when it was in Dealership lots
The first 3 are underrated
I'd be more than happy to get the first gen
Supra mkv still better than mkiv tho
@@Yessir1506 I really like the aggressive styling on the MKV more than MKIV's 3rd gen Ford Taurus looking ahh smooth design.
Rear looks ugly too, compared to this one guy's redesign of the Supra which looks much more elegant.
Best looking no way
WHAT DO TEENAGE BOYS KNOW ABOUT LIFE? Huh????
Toyotable soupbruh is so overrated
And folks who didn't live through the 1990s(especially not born in the 1980s) , fail to realize that the MK4 A80 Supra (Fourth Generation) faced criticism as well. Like looking like a "value brand front engine Ferrari" and not having the pop-up headlights like the MK3 A70 Supra (3rd Generation. And that is literally the best selling Supra to this day. Not the MK4 A80 Supra which is literally based on the Lexus SC400/300)
@@crowderbanks636 long live the 7m
@@Alfiepowers And the 1JZ. Very underrated engine. Which came in the MK3 also
@@charlesbakston7414 I didn’t know that I thought it was just in the jzx chassis you learn more every day
I’m not 14
90s Supra were the legend. Current version be looking like turd smh...
Yet the masses in the 90s clearly talked-down on the MK4 Supra of bein' different to the MK3 Supra.
So how TF is MK4 Supra a "Legend" again????
The word "legend" is thrown around too much
@@charlesbakston7414 timeless exterior design and 2jz's limitless potentiality
@@brooKlynKiteflyer "timeless exterior design"
K. And? Same for the Dodge Viper of the 1990s, and C5 Corvette, etc
",2jz limitless potentially"
Hey d u m b. No 2JZ can make "1000hp stock"
@@charlesbakston7414overall supra is better car but if you want the sheer power with ugliness of american design and lack of handling car then go ahead lmao c1 and c2 now those looking all classic looker with neanderthal american straight line beasts during that time yet after late 60's all american sports car all looking like turd maybe except exclusive ford gts and shelbees which aren't for the masses.
I was never impressed with the Mk4. To me it's s formless blob of metal with ZERO character. To be fair, that was kind of the style of a lot of cars in the 90's.
Your doing it just for your views. Who told you the MARK 4 toyota supra was a failure. Its only a failure in the USA because they coudnt built a much better car than the MARK 4 SUPRA. Besides the USA its highly recognized around the world as the Greatest Sportcar next to Godzilla ever built.
Ignorant comment. The MK4 A80 was(and is) NOT a rival to the R34 Skyline
It's REAL rival was/is the Nissan 300ZX. Ya'll come up with b.s lmao
@@borla4491 your right but i wasnt comparing the Mark 4 Supra with the Skyline nor i said the R34 was its rival. I said they are both highly recognized around the world.
@@killeranosh Yet you're still comparing them from what I just read from your comment?
And saying that the "MK4 and R34 are highly recognized around the world " is too far fetched. Overblown. Plenty of other vehicles are highly recognized around the world and that includes the RX7, 300Z, AE86, Honda/Acura NSX, etc
@@crowderbanks636 Your right the Rx7, 300Z, Honda NSX, AE86 all of them are great cars I AGREE. But majority of people always put the Skyline as a True competitor to the Mark 4 Supra.
@@killeranosh "majority of those people who always put the skyline as a true competitor to the Mark 4 Supra"?
NEWSFLASH.
It's the other way around. Those "majority of people" who put the mark 4 Supra as a "true competitor to the Skyline" are ignorance who literally don't realize that the Skyline has NO COMPETITION from the MK4 Supra!