Canna lilies - everything you need to know about how to choose and grow cannas
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- Опубліковано 9 лют 2025
- Add stunning, exotic cannas to your garden, wherever you live.
Gardening broadcaster and plant expert Stephen Ryan shares his super-useful garden tips on choosing and growing cannas. The canna is one of the most beautiful exotic plants, with gorgeous tropical flowers, but it will also grow well in cooler climate gardens!
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I planted canna lily in a short but wide container and it grew so tall and started blooming couple of days back.Beautiful flowers and I get sweet surprise every morn with more and more flowers.Oh ,did I tell ,I am a canma (Canna lily Grandma ) now ? I see two cute baby plants .This plant just brings me so much joy.
That's wonderful.
Thank you from Colorado. You are now my canna maintenance source. I didn't want your expertise to end.
Thank you!
I have found myself a Canna mummy for the first time! The council were going to mulch them so I saved some! Didn't have a clue how to care for them, so this is wonderful thanks!! :) Fingers crossed for success next year. Subscribed.
Thank you! What a great idea to get them from the council.
I live in Puerto Rico., in Caribe. Recently, I bought some of these beautiful plant. I hope then grow health. I enjoy your programs.
I love cannas. Always have since my childhood. They are so beautiful.
I LOVE!! Tall Cana Lillies!! Red is my favorite,no orange,no yellow! I ❤️❤️❤️❤️em!!!!
What an elegant yellow/red leopard Canna @ 1:05. Thank you from Granite Bay, California. At one time back in the 1980 s /1990 s I had these and a few different other breeds of these Cannas, now you can't find these anywhere around northern Ca.
That's a shame - but I think they disappeared here too for a while but now they are certainly back.
Thank you! My not so close neighbor just gave me some canna lilies. I've never grown them before. She showed pictures of them so I know they're red and quite tall. I'm in Idaho zone 5a so I'll need to bring them in, which is why she had them to easily share.
Same people call them "poor man's plant",but that's OK I love Canna! The colorful leaves and flowers are bautiful! The plants are wonderful to care for. Thanks you for sharing.
A good video about canna flowers, Care of them
I was gifted several canna lilies several years ago. I have found them to be very resilient. I don't dig them up in winter and I have some in the shade that have done very well.
Interesting!
Where do you live? What zone (if you're in the USA)?
Alexandra, THANK YOU ever so much for your absolutely WONDERFUL videos and information om gardening and plants. This was one of my favorite! 🌸
Just want to take the opportunity to thank you and to say, everything 'gardening' has become easier with the guidance from these videos and your book. Much appreciated!
Thank you so much.
Thanks for sharing...
Beautiful vibrant CANNAS!!...
Tremendously helpful information here. Thank you.
Thank you! Hope you're all well
Very informative, thank you. Canna's are my new passion. I garden in zone 6A in New Hampshire, USA
I’m so glad they are perennials in Georgia ❤
Canna’s are wonderful
I've just moved to SW FL (USA) and am interested in Canna Lillies.
This was very helpful. Thank you!
Thank you!
Someone from Florida told me Cannas are considered invasive there. Be prepared for a lot of work if you put them in the ground. I'm in NC and I'm scared to put them in the ground. I'm a bit older so O don't want too much work. I keep mine in pots.
Thanks for all the great advice. I bought my first cannas last summer at our local supermarket plant section after the hubby was blown away by the showey blooms I planted one each in a large pot surrounded by mini decorative ivy and scaevola, they weren't one of the tallest cannas but they were definitely impressive as I made them the centre of the show lol they lasted well into November. Being in Northern Europe I followed advice to lift seperate and store in the shed. But to be honest it was such a hard job with such heavy pots I only got one pot done I covered the other pot with barkchips and wrapped it up like a baby lol. And to my amazement I dug down and can see nice green shoots. Love love love this plant.
they are stunning, aren't they?
So complete! I had no idea that cannas came in different heights. I'd found it difficult to add real color n sturdy height to my deep flower beds. I do enjoy the different folliage. I've been enjoying having my first cannas ever. It's 19th of August here in France and we've already had 2 very severe heat waves. We had the hottest temperature ever recorded in Paris n in other parts of France. My garden suffered greatly but the cannas lived on beautifully. I'm going to rethink big parts of my garden in order to take into consideration these huge climate changes n I will certainly take into account yr advice as I will certainly add more cannas. I'm already looking forward to choosing new ones. Many thanks.
Its difficult isn't it because even if summers generally get hotter there can still be very cold or very wet weather and then everything suffers. Gardeners here are looking into drought resistant planting
Great tip about storing the rhizomes with a little peat moss
This is really one of the best videos about canna lily care that I have seen. Thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
I'm so glad I found your channel! I am just starting to trial in containers and beds up here in Alaska. I'm hoping to winter the tubers and possibly keep them from going dormant as a house plant.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
Thank you!
I had two plants last year. They died off the day before Thanksgiving. I cut off the dead stalks and foliage and dragged the pots into my dark cold garage. I didn't have time due to having so much going on to properly dig them up and store them. The little buggers started growing in the cold dark garage when we had a couple of days in the 70s in December. I didn't water them or anything but they kept growing even in the dark and without water. I just took them out to divide and repot for this upcoming season. Some of the stalks are alreadtv18-24 inches. I'm convinced they can be grown as a houseplant year round. I would suggest grow lights so they bloom properly.
PS I clicked subscribeand when I click the like button I was the 800 person that like your video thank you once again for this great video about a new love I have at the age of 70!
Thank you and welcome to the channel!
I've just turned 70 too and i just subscribed to the channel. Greetings from France!
My mother gave me a couple small ones from her home and my entire side fencing is now completely bordered with them after 2-3 years. Low maintenance, entirely snip them down when winter comes (Texas), then they regrow in the spring.
What a very helpful video! Thank you for taking the time to share this!
Thank you!
thank you very much! Such an informative video, been looking for more detailed information on growing cannas :) such glorious tropical plants.
Glad it was helpful!
Enjoyed your easy going manner and informative tips. Look forward to future mini-lectures.
not sure how this works, but recommend the Stephen Ryan tips
I've been using these plants for the last 2 years and they're great I have the multi color one, the green one, and the red one, but I thought these were annuals that was why I cut them down and dig up the bulbs and store them in my basement and this year they started growing through the bag. I have a ton of bulbs because it's like they multiply I started out with 2 plants then I dug them up and the next year I had enough bulbs to plant 6 more plants and right now I have 2 bags full of green cannas, 2 red cannas planted, 1 multicolored canna planted and 8 green cannas planted.
I'm trying cannas out in my garden for the first time this year, I think I'll leave them in the ground as our winters are usually mild
Yes, they seem to multiply exponentially, lol!
@@PHanomaly I left them in the ground over the winter the rest of them in the other locations around my house died but the 2 spots in front of my house I planted like 4 bulbs and now this year 22 bulbs came back.
@@zaytheone2658 I know, right?! Everytime I turn my back they multiply!🤣
in what zone do you live?
Morning very new to cannas ,truly appreciated your indept explanation especially in the different time zone ,I'm in Connecticut USA ,in the winter will have to remove and store the rizhomes. Thanks again for this very informative video, happy gardening ,stay safe❤
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for the advice. I learn't so much in such a short time.
Thank you!
Fabulous video,thank you.There's nothing 'coarse' about liking big flowers! I adore them too, what's not to love... beautiful foliage AND big flowers.Just visited Great Dixter the other day, it's always an inspiration.
I love this Mexican’s native plant they are beautiful and the leaves almost look like banana leaves☀️🌱😘 thank you for this video
Thank you!
Is it a Mexican plant?
Gorgeous!
I don't know much about cannas I was always worried that they would get too tall and topple over or whatever... So I appreciate the information you put it on this video very very much! Especially the information about cutting back the branch that has quit flowering because it'll make the plant grow a new shoot. I'm very ignorant I guess on the growth cycle of cannas so all this information has been very very helpful. My cannas AR right now or growing in pots and I love the dark leaf ones and I have a bangle striped when I grew From A bulb or root or a rhizome whatever you call them and it has never bloomed but I just absolutely love the leaves and now it's getting a second stem. I just repotted it for a second time it busted the pot it was in. That part was just one I was trying to get it to grow in whenever I bought it as a rhizome. I'm going to fill my patio and show all of my Canna and my elephant ears along with all my other plants especially my coleus and houseplants so that will be later this week it'll be uploaded. So please come to my channel it's Kathleen Murphy and then put one of the following words into the UA-cam search engine house plants orchids coleus or philodendron and you'll find me there's lots of other words you could use but those four will work. I thank you in advance we're coming to my channel and hopefully subscribing because you like what you see. I'm 70 years old and UA-cam has been a lifesaver for me. I have chronic pain in the pain medicine doesn't always do the job it never goes away the whole way but at least it gets bearable. And on the days but I need to try to conquer the pain my plants and UA-cam help me out! And I especially enjoyed the comics the people leave on my videos. And I thank you from the bottom of my heart for this videos so I could take care of my cannas I will keep in mind that they are heavy feeders and they don't like to dry out because they love water so much. I will make sure I put some soil moist crystals in the potting soil when I repot. They are a great invention to help the gardener or the plant person out with plants that grow in the ground or grow in a pot. It's about $16 for a bag of those crystals and Lowe's sells them right where they sell the Miracle Grow fertilizer here in America. That's $16 bag will do 50 hanging baskets. They absorbed 50 times their weight in water and I think they help the people that over water their plants cuz they suck up the extra water and hold it in reserve and it helps the people who sometimes neglect to water play because there's a reserve of water for the plant there. It's saved my coleus the other day because I had to go to the hospital with my son and I couldn't water and it was windy and extremely hot the plants when I pick the pots up or as light as a feather but they hadn't welded yet because of that extra water in the soil moist crystals. The other thing I think the soil moist crystals do is with their expansion and contraction they help keep the soil aerated and from becoming compacted. I think it's the best invention that's come into the Plant World in a long time. I can't live without it and neither can my plants. Thanks again for this video I appreciate it very much it's a lot of work to do a video unless a person has done a video they don't realize it.
Thank you and you are so right - I'll check out your channel, and thank you for commenting.
Very helpful info. My greenhouse mailed me canna rhizomes instead of gladiolus , and I decided to keep them, but no idea how to care for them. Zone 3 Canada.
Describe Cannas in one word: “Wow!” Lovely flower footage (although footage seems the wrong word for such a tall plant) and pertinent growing advice from a Canna expert. What could be better!😊
Thank you! Stephen is so knowledgeable - it is always a treat to interview him.
Visiting other gardeners is rewarding. Enjoy your time in Melbourne! ☀️
Botanical Treasures I have Cannas in my backyard and I have a few brown leaves. Can I cut them down now in the Spring? I also have a few that the stem is dry like a stick.
@@churteephillips7395 Hello, I don't have that much experience with Cannas myself. However here in North America my neighbor cuts back her cannas every year in the autumn. If you live on a different continent, you might need to cut them a different time of year depending on when they die back after blooming.
Thank You Guys! 😍
Canna lilies are wonderful, I’ve created gardens in Uganda & grown these over there , gardening in the tropical Countries was a great experience 😊
So interesting to see how plants grow in a different climate.
The Middle-Sized Garden it’s so wonderful having gardening as my passion & job , ever since I was around 5 years old & I found out you could make a new plant from a little cutting , such excitement 💚🌱🍀🌸
The Middle-Sized Garden They grow so fast in tropical regions of the world 🌍🌱💚
They look like tropical birds. I just succeed to germinate some seeds . Its so exciting !
They are beautiful.
Omg, well done you. What did you do as I have lots of seeds.
Adriana Bonita Aziz Hi Adriana , it’s so nice growing these exiting plants 🌱💚
Having had the pleasure of a short term job in Melbourne, I would mention the canna bed in the Botanic Garden. It is connected I believe to the storm drain system from the adjoining roads. When I first visited in October there was nothing much there, but then in January it was ablaze with colour. The roots are used to filter and clean the run-off, which as no doubt you'll know can be considerable in temperate Melbourne. Perhaps you could do a video from there one day, and talk about those Australian plants that will live in the UK?
That's a great idea as I hope to be in Melbourne in January next year, if all goes well.
Useful info. Quite demanding plants.
Thank you so much for the nice tips.
Thank you very much that was really interesting i live in london uk and have just planted 6 cannas and had never heard of them till recently.
They are beautiful, huh! Give em as much sun as possible!
Hiya have put them in full sun they are rhizomes so won't know what they will look like until they bloom . Do you think they will this summer because by all accounts they grow quickly and are bullet proof I hope so because I have black fingers not green ones
@@ricdavid7476 I've always lived in hot dry climates, but I know they grow in Oregon where weather is similar to London.
@@PHanomaly Hiya thanks for the reply. I was just thinking do i have to expose the rhizomes to the sun like irisis because i have just planted them in the ground with no exposure. I bought them from a specialist cultivator and they were expensive so you would have thought they would have given me some good advice but they didnt. All the best and keep safe
David nope, you did exactly what they need.
I noticed that I have a tendency to think I've done something wrong when I first see some from last year, in my yard coming up, while others, including tubers I've put into pots early- with good potting soil- do nothing. I then think 'more water' hmm.. maybe its 'too much water'.. but the truth is, it doesn't really matter what I do to them, once they decide they are ready, they GROW!😂 Same for the soil, good, bad, fertilizer -or not, I often think they are just laughing at me and doing whatever they want🤣
I amend my sandy soil each year, and then, haha, I find them sprouting over in the sand and weeds! 🤷♀️
I had no idea how big they get. My canna have reached over 11 foot. All my friends who have them,.theirs are 6 to 9 ft. I think the reason is we planted ours in 12 inches of 1 year old mushroom mulch.
Best video on cannas by far
from Richard FitzGerald
Can i grow canna in a pot instead of ground ... how deep container
That was brilliant information 👍🏻 I was going to grow cannas this year so this has been a great help 😊
I hope they turn out well! I'm going to be taking Stephen's advice too and growing them this year for the first time too.
Would be useful to have a similar video on banana varieties
What a wonderful video! I was curious what the purple flowered bush next to the variegated leaf yellow flower canna is at minute 5:00? Ty!!
Thank you. I will be trying cannas! They are stunning!
Thank you - it'll be my first year with cannas, too, they are so spectacular.
Great interview and so helpful. We have a few giant cannas and will feed eeeeeven more. We also leave ours in the ground over winter. Thanks for the information.
Thank you, I've been leaving mine in, and have fed and watered a bit more this year. One very large flower has just appeared.
Great video so, so helpful. Thanks to both of you.
I love u both!! Thanks!
Thank you too!
Such great information! Thank you ❤
Do you cover the bulbs with dirt
yes, I wouldn't just leave them on the top of the soil.
After they bloom they grow bulbs with seeds inside. Can you plant the seeds inside of the bulb?
Very informative. Thank you
Very helpful information and great looking specimens 👍🏼
Thank you!
Super... Can I get some seeds
Thank you so much for your informative video. I love cannas. I live in cold place, can I grow them indoors?
Yes, I understand you can grow them indoors in a sunny spot. They'll need feeding in a pot.
I am having such bad luck with my cannas hopefully they will unfurl and grow this year! Fingers and toes crossed 🤞🏽
Good luck!
Unfurl? You may want to look into "leaf rollers". Insects that tie the leaf closed and will not let it unfurl. It seems once you get them they will come back year after year.
Hi,thank you for the informative video. Can I please ask why wont cannas flower? 😢
Thanks in advance
You may need to fertilise it or water it more. Or you can improve your soil by adding a layer of organic mulch once a year. Cannas are hungry plants and they also like to be in full sun. (6 hours a day of sun)
Thanks for the information 👍❤️😊
My pleasure 😊
Subscribing from Florida. Excellent channel.
Thank you.
@@TheMiddlesizedGardenthere's a lots seeds on the plant. do I need to cut them can on plants
I bought some from walmart beautiful plants
That's great to hear.
2 easy👍👍
I have a big bush of canna in my garden , but don't know if it is an edible canna or not. They have 2 shades of green stripe foliage. They look like the canna at 0:46 at your video here. I wish I could use the leaves for wrapping food for steaming or boiling. Thanks
I bought three cannas from Metung market and I think it safe to say they look in need of a lot of compost and water!
I can imagine! By the way, have I remembered correctly that your alliums didn't come up? My brother-in-law near Melbourne had a very disappointing 2018 for alliums, and the experts have said that they may emerge next year. I think perhaps alliums can be a bit temperamental.
@@TheMiddlesizedGarden Not a one! Lambley Nursery (where I bought some) informed me alliums need cold frosty nights; not to be found here in Metung. An expensive lesson :(
they do best with lots of water. they especially do well when it rains alot. helps them grow taller , as well as help bulbs multiply. if you dont get much rain water them regularly because they thrive on water
Do canna change color because last year I had orange blooms but this year they are red🤔
İ love cannas
great tips thank you
You gave me excellent tips ! Thank you Sir .
I’ve only just found you! Awesome vlogs!
Thank you so much!
I just got a pot of canna from home depot here in Texas. Great 👍 vidoe about Canna. Is there anymore video about Canna? Thanks for making video about it.
I don't know of any - sorry.
Very helpful, thanks!
Very informative video!!! Can you please tell me, when you store them for the winter, do you cut the stems down or do you let it die back on their own before storing...
I usually let them collapse, but don't leave them too long after that as they won't like prolonged cold wet weather.
@@TheMiddlesizedGardenThank you so very much for replying.🌺🌼💖
Hi,
I love my cannas. Thanks for the great advice. Just wondering if it is suitable to fertilise my water cannas which are in ponds with the same fertiliser I use on my in ground cannas which is 'Rooster Booster' as well as potash? The reason I ask is that I have numerous frogs, tadpoles and frogs eggs. I don't want to harm these creatures in any way.
So I can cut them off at ground and cover the ground where the bulbs are planted ?
yes, once the foliage has been killed by the first frost. I would add that if you have a very cold winter, it may not come through the winter, if you just get the sort of winter we get here in the UK where it doesn't freeze often, they should be fine. Though there are never guarantees in gardening.
What a great video, really love that. Hope to see more soon.
SurvivalAustria
Thank you.
Did you get a root while you were there?
would love to know more about heucheras
I will remember that, thank you.
Rest speaker thank you
What are done good companion plants to plant in front of the more dwarf cannas?
I think you can plant anything you like but I'd recommending something really low, like a ground cover, because the whole canna plant is so sculptural, you wouldn't want to cover too much up. Possibly one of the low growing persicarias which are nicely airy.
I have been growing cannas for many years. However here in Canada I do have to dig them up and store them in the basement. The problem is starting them indoors. Some of my rhizomes are very big and wont go into a pot, but then to wait until 24 May I dont get flowers for quite a while and so short season. Do you have any tips on what to use to start them indoors, also do you have a source you recommend that I can order some more exotic varieties, cant seem to get anything but red flowers here. I love the look of one called Bethany . Any help would be appreciated as I grow about 30-40 plants around my well
Although this is a UK company, they are specialist canna growers and so they might know who supplies good cannas in Canada? (or they might even mail order cannas abroad?). I think they would probably also be able to answer your question about starting them out. I love Bethany too, though I think it's not easy to find even here in the UK. Hope that helps.
I also live in Cananda. I start mine In doors in a nursery pot closer to end of winter ...and by may, they get pretty big and I take outside.
I'm in zone 5 of the USA. I love Cannas! Lots of work digging and replanting though.
Do you think that I would be able to just mulch over, or place straw on top during the cold winters here - or best to keep digging them up & replanting?
I think Zone 5 might be too cold. It could be worth trying it, if you're prepared to lose a few plants but I don't think I'd bet much on them surviving. But if you keep them in pots, maybe you could just bring the pots in somewhere sheltered, such as a garage in winter rather than having to dig everything up.
@@TheMiddlesizedGarden Thanks for the reply! One more quick question..
Best way to store Cannas over the winter?
I've heard multiple ways & usually the way I do it - they survive well. Typically I punch holes in a big box & layer the rhizomes between newspaper - which has worked fine in years past.
This past year though I lost about 100 rhizomes due to rot. Perhaps I did let them dry out enough? Almost as if sap had leaked out of them & many became moldy / rotted.
I've seen some people just dig up a whole clump & store it like that - but others have said not to do that.
Thanks In advance for any clarification you can offer.
Hi. My canna was planted in a pot in spring and the foliage has grown wonderfully. However it has not flowered. It is in full sun, watered daily in hot weather and fed once a week. I live in South of UK. Any ideas where I have gone wrong? Thank you
I'm baffled as it sounds as if you're doing everything right. Is the pot big enough? Pots generally need to be a few inches bigger than the root ball all round. Otherwise I hope perhaps your canna is just a little late. Sometimes there are plants that just don't flower, but not too often. I hope that helps.
@@TheMiddlesizedGarden Thank you for your reply. Yes the pot was plenty big enough when I put it in. It did flower when I had it in my vegetable plot about 8 years ago but not since. I thought a bit of love and it would. One of those things. Give it one more chance next year perhaps. Take care.
After the dead flowers fall out what do you do with the pieces left behind that the flower was sitting in?
Hi luckily I stumbled onto your channel and its great thanks but i need help please. I have green and purple canna I recently planted at my new home from an extremely old stock I had at my old house. They took off as they do in south Alabama as its a tropical type environment super humid always and hot. I'm glad they took to their new home but something's chewing up the leaves bad they look sick almost all chewed like that. I been thinking snails but I'm not sure. Have any thoughts? Anything I can do? Thanks in advance greetings from the States
Snails do go for cannas, but I'm not familiar with other pests that might be in South Alabama. Do you have ferric phosphate slug pellets? They don't damage other wildlife so they could be a good solution to try around the cannas to see if that sorts it. If not, it could be worth asking a local garden group if you have one?
Vedio is very nice. Can I buy these seeds ? I'm from Sri Lanka
If you're in Sri Lanka, I suggest you ask a local grower. I'm sure cannas would grow well in your climate, but it wouldn't be a good idea to buy plants or seeds from a different climate as the plants may not grow. But if they are grown near you, then they should do well. Try 'Canna plants near me' in a search engine or ask your local growers.
Pretty sure it's going to be available near your place. And yes, you can grow them from seeds too.
I really want to purchase the Canna AnnJee- I am in the US, is there a known source so I could try them here in the USA?
I'm sorry, I don't know a suitable source in the United States.
My cannas grow super big but do not flower any tips?
I've got some impressive pot grown Cannes that are great but here in Kent, England we have a really big infestation of slugs due to heavy rainy days that have made my life a misery because slugs love my Cannas. I've tried slug pellets but to no avail and I'm sure the slugs are living in my pots. Any ideas woukd be welcome.
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I have a question what is the name of the Canna that shows at the end of your videos that is like a dark purple black but yet has a stripe to it it is the most beautiful can I think I've seen besides my Bengal tiger striped foliage and the Cleopatra canna lily
Do you know the name of that Canna
I think I have those, called "Red Humbert"? My yard is full of them and the leaves are beautiful, with red flowers, 6-8 ft tall!
@@PHanomaly thank you so much for letting me know I appreciate your videos on the canas! I'm new to them this year I've planted them a couple times they haven't done well but I think this year maybe I'll be successful! I'm 71 years old and I don't have much time left to experiment tee he
@@kathleenmurphy2379 not sure where u live: the hotter the easier to grow.
@@kathleenmurphy2379 any questions, I'm here. 😊
I was hoping to see how to separate the rhizomes from the stalk to winter them. Leave spider roots on or off? Ok to use shears to separate?
I just chop the stalk off - I remove anything that would be showing above ground or that is showing above ground when I leave them in. I usually remove the stalk, using either secateurs or shears, before digging the rhizomes up. But if you have already dug the rhizomes up, it should be OK just to cut the stalks off. I hope that helps.
@@TheMiddlesizedGarden Thanks !
How about kangaroo paws planting tips?
how deep should they be planted and how long to sprout?
I just put mine so that the crown is level with the earth and mine are emerging now in early summer.
Hi Alexandra, I'm from Calgary, Canada. I planted my canna this summer. It grows rapidly. Now its height is more that 2 m. Average winter temperature in Calgary is -15C but it might be -40C as well. How to keep the plant safe in low temperatures? As I said before my canna is big and is a big headache to move it to a garage or a basement. Can I trim it and cover with a tarp? Will it survive? Thank you in advance.
I think you may find it too cold and that it won't survive if you leave it in the ground. On the other hand, if you're prepared to lose it, then why not try? Let the frost blighted leaves fold over the crown of the plant, pile up the compost and maybe add a tarp or some straw....I must admit that I don't feel very hopeful, but maybe it's better to see if it works and buy new next year if it doesn't....
@@TheMiddlesizedGarden Thank you Alexandra for your reply. We will see, if my canna will not survive, I'll plant something different next summer.
Can you make a video on how to breed Cannas thanks
I'll ask Stephen when I'm next over. It's a good idea.