I recently had a big surgery, which means I can can’t mountain bike for up to 7 months. These videos have been so fun and cheerful to watch during recovery. Keep up the great work Evan!
No wories mate.. my disk.. got crashed.. surgery, paralyzed for 12 months.. Learn to walk again and shit.. Now i.m back on my giant pathom 2 6 days a week.. Recover... and dont give up..
I feel like the pinkbike had the limitations of using only one retailer for the parts supply. That is why their series were on that level. We all know that they can do better. But have to say, Evans, you are a god.
I run SLX on my bike. It changes the gears well, stays in adjustment and is pretty rugged (never had an issue with the plastic clutch lever). I would rather put high-end components on for suspension, brakes, and contact points! I think I'm with Evan as well on the AXS, tried it once and wasn't a huge fan. I also enjoy the tactile feeling of cable actuated!
@Mustafa Hussein like where your body contacts the bike. And where your bike contacts the ground. So things like tires, wheels,, pedals, seat, grips, handlebars, can all make a huge difference of feel on bike when riding. Save half your money by not going wireless and spend it on nice pedals, seat, bars, and tires (and 4pot brakes)!
Great video, as always, but the time travelling space dog coming through that trail portal (caught on camera) at 5:50 is probably a once in a lifetime event. It was quite lucky that Derrick barely maneuvered around that wormhole, or he would have lost $10! #itsamiracle #spacedog #timetravel #derrickisspared
I really like the last part of this episodes where we can get a glimpse of what will we see on the next episode. When you say "how much did you spend on that??" I also put my hands in my head asking the exact same question 😁 This series is so good! Great job man!
Love the series. I would only add you could have went with the 11speed Deore series, and would have had less compatibility issues. I am personally not sold on 12 speed, although that said I don't shift all the time and prefer the simplicity of less gears. I think Box one was onto something, though I do prefer the Shimano overall.
just fyi micro adjust is just like the barrel, it works across the range not per gear. One benefit of AXS is cable housing degradation, you know over time your shifting is sluggish because the wire cuts into the housing, not an issue on AXS.
So as someone who has tuned fox forks that uppity feeling could be one of 3 things and it may be all of them. 1, you could have too much low speed compression. 2, you could have too much air. 3 you could have to manny tokens in your fork. Remember its better to add compression to a lower air pressure fork than to add air or tokens and decrease compression. First fully open your compression and set to 28% sag (I find this to bee the sweet spot) then ride three small sections of trail. 1 a majorly rocky section 2 a flat and flowy section 3 a steep section. The goal is to use 75 to 85 percent of the travel in the rocky section 35 to 45 in the flowy section and in the steep you don't won't the fork to go down more than 55 percent if you are going straight without bumps. If you find that the fork is great though the beginning of the travel but blows through the last 30 percent of the travel then add a token. By adding tokens you are adding more progression to the travel. If you find the beginning is to stiff remove air. If it's blowing though the travel in the beginning to much and you haven't gone above 4 clicks of what fox recommends for compression add 1 click compression and follow the same line on the trail again. If you use more than 4 more click than what fox recommends go back to what fox recommends and add 2 psi of air. Remember when adding air you still need to cycle the fork to add air to the negative chamber and same with removing air because you want the air chambers to be right and both to decrease In Pressure
IMO any frame that still has standard old school drop outs and skewers deserves 11spd shimano at the most. Its not a bad thing, its actually a great setup and a very reasonable price. the best part is that you can actually find the components.
Sunrace 12 speed cassettes work very well. Also shimano m5100 11sp 11-51t. Deore 12 speed shifter/derailleur with a sunrace cassette is best budget upgrade imo and you can still use the hg driver. Great video series so far!
@@Mikesonbikes Yeah, I wasn't trying to say sunrace shifts as nice as hg+. I was referring to ease of converting to 1x12 being a better "budget". Deore 12s with sunrace cassette can use eagle/kmc chain, regular narrow wide chainring and hg driver.
I built 2 budget bikes for my wife and son using the same combo and it shifts pretty good. Just a little more adjusting of the b-gap. Definitely not as nice as my slx/xt hg+ setup
I personally use the sunrace 12 speed cassettes on my m7100 slx drivetrain. It doesn't shift as much as smooth as what HG does, but it does the job just fine, it's better than what I used to have, though the b-gap is kinda misleading, cause if you tried to align it with that, it won't shift even sometimes.
I've already filmed the shock episode, but noticed the stock wheels are SEVERELY holding back the bike, so I moved up the wheel episode to be after the shock
If you want to get the job done cheap, you can go shimano 1x11 on the cassete 11-51t and get any 12s derailleur you want. And for 60$ (in my country) you can get the 11s crankset and for 26$ the shifter. Basically the whole transmision for 230$ without any compatibility issues. Or just get the deore 10s cassete 11-46t and save some money on the shifter, chain(not changing these), cassete and derailleur. The second setup would be 150$ before selling the old stuff.
Apart from the good transparency on the parts, you have great video editting, on the part where you "were" overtaking yourself had me surprised, great video as always!
Thank you Carlos! The edit is my favorite part. This time I got another rider to wear Chad's clothes 😭 just to mix it up. Theres some people that think we are two different people, so I wanted to add to that confusion 😁
I actually just switched out my SRAM mechanical on my Epic EVO for the GX AXS and loving it. Not quite as expensive as the XX1 version but still super smooth.
Agreed. No idea what he is talking about with this button delay. It could be that he is pressing the button on that shifter wrong. On the big button you are supposed to press down. Switched from mechanical X01 to X01 AXS and it is the fastest shifting i have had in 20 years
I was more confused, or maybe misunderstood, when he said it could take hours with the micro adjustments. I found the complete opossite. Setting up and adjusting the AXS is 1000x easier than a cable actuated drive train. I also think it's unfair to evaluate it with so many mismatch parts. Stick all gx eagle on and thus drive train is soooooo much better than cable actuated. However, I do agree it is an adjustment if you're big on "feeling" the click of gears. Eventually you just begin to realize the thing just works flawlessly and though you don't feel the gear change you notice the gears have changed.....
Evan, when building a new wheel, to avoid losing spoke nipplies inside the rim, screw an old spoke into the top end of the spoke nipple (the thicker part) and it will allow you to hold it in place inside the rim when putting it onto the old spoke! Adds a few seconds per spoke but compared to shaking it loose it saves you time. Hope it helps buddy!
@@EvansMTBSaga Oof.. must be some fancy spoke nipples to be sealed with wax! Didn't even know that was a thing! Off the top of my head I'd just heat up some stray shifter cable or some other thin metal thingymabob and poke it into the wax so it melted and held. So many times I've dropped a spoke nipple into a rim and spent the next 30 mins anxious I'd be able to get it out the last spoke hole because I'm too lazy to start over :D
Shimanos cassettes also have a really cool design and they slip between gears soooooo easily… as a guy who rode sram for 3 years and just now am riding slx on my hard tail holy crap is Shimano good it flys up and down the cassette without a noise or clank its so crisp if you haven’t tried it you have to the build quality on Shimano is also incredible
Such good series! Well done 👍🏼 So is the special chain/chain ring just a 12 speed issue? Seems staying in the 10 or 11 speed for low bike may give you more options and better access to value for performance options and cross brand compatibility. Happy Tuesday Evan! ☕️ Love the redemption for the Z2 Bomber!
The conclusion with Shimano chains incompatibility can apply the same as SRAM's HD driver body to be honest. Not to mention that Raceface, woolftooth, Hope are already making a compatible chainrings with Shimano's chain, which provides the mentioned in the video Hyperglide+.., which is a revolutionary development in Cable shifting. The only difference is that even at lower tier of DriveTrain such as a Full SLX - you get a better shifting performance than you will ever get with SRAM's 2k bugs Drivetrain. Before the crap start spilling on my way, which reminds me - Notifications OFF - have a test with full drivetrain bundles, bodged cranksets with used chainrings can not present event a half-descent test for shifting performance :)
Having tried both, I don't notice any difference with hyperglide. A well setup 12sp drive train feels good either way. Hyperglide is mostly marketing. But fully agree on the electronic shifting. Not only is the cost outrageous but don't see any upside.
Hyper glide 2 is just shimano’s marketing for adding shift ramps for the downshifts, something sram has done for years now which is why srams cassettes have always shifted better, especially on the downshift. Shimano could have added it years ago when sram did but never bothered until their cassettes wouldn’t work with e bike motor’s. And you’re absolutely deluded if you think a cheap monkey metal six group set will ever come close to the performance of x01 or xx1, not even XTR comes close. You buy shimano because it’s cheap and does the job. You pay the extra for sram because it does the job well and lasts.
The low end drivetrain can get even better feel if you put an xt shifter on it. I realize that doesn’t help with your budget, but this is the main drivetrain upgrade i do on all my bikes, whether it’s deore or slx drivetrain.
Doesn’t actually give you a better feel. That rapid release system adds a lot of drag to the system and contributes to that dirty cable feeling you get with shimano gears and you can accidentally shift down two gears at once which you can’t with the deore. The SLX shifter functions the best from shimano’s range just a shame there so cheap and plasticy but even the XTR shifters are pretty cheap and poorly manufactured.
@@TheNotoriousMIC well you’ve had different experiences from me evidently. From my experience the slx or deore with softer push and less of a positive feel of engagement isn’t as nice as the xt. The xt also allows and extra gear up and downshift. Xt shifter with anything less in the range on shimano is typically regarded as the way to go. But yes it feels different and the odd person may not like that. Oh, and accidentally downshifting two at once, I don’t understand that as it takes a conscience effort and click to get the second shift, but again not for everyone I guess.
@@WilliamrikerNCC1701 I only ever shift one gear at at time nobody needs to shift three or four gears at once and I’ve slipped a pedal many times from accidentally shifting down twice. It’s pointless and dangerous and there’s no reason for it to be on a bike. I’ve moved to sram exclusively for shifters and mechs. They just shift so much better, lighter touch and the quality is much higher.
@@TheNotoriousMIC well unfortunately we’re not all as good riders as you are since I sometimes shift more than one gear at a time. Thankfully shimano has designed the higher end shifters for weak riders like myself that need to shift multiple gears in a short amount of time, lol.
Dude that's so funny! You are the very first person to comment that the person was cropped out! Lot's of people think the dog appeared out of nowhere hahaha. I cropped out the person to protect their privacy, and after making my initial crop the dog just appeared. I was laughing so much, so I just left it like that haha. Good catch dude!
On top of absolutely nailing the content, your alter ego editing wins the price. Your simply having me fooled sometimes, like when you both finish the lap chasing each other and you even manage to pass in a very convincing way 💥
For the expensive bike you should get xt or xtr brakes and for the cheap some code r i had on my bike code rs i didn’t like them at all i switched to xtr but my dad has xt and its super nice and you can also get a comparison vid from it ! Shimano > sram
A little tip that helped me a lot with wheel building was to take an extra spoke and screw it into the top of the spoke nipple so it won’t fall into the rim
1:51 YOOO I GOT THOSSSEEE (albeit in black) on a side note they really help with mud clearance in the wet and i don't have to clean out pulley worms anymore! they also look super sick as well as quieten down the grinding of the plastic pulley wheels on my NX
You need to factor in the cost of that truing stand for the low build. FWIW, I bought a truing stand years ago (when old school wheels needed truing every few rides), but for lacing a new wheel and getting the tension & vertical true just right, I’ll take it to the pros. I also agree that when upgrading suspension, may as well go top shelf.
I honestly think it's cheaper to buy a different chain brand like KMC than replacing the chainring that would fit the shimano chain. I've had that issue before when I bought a new shimano chain. Went to 2 different LBS to check the issue, one said it's my chainring, the other said it's the chain. So I went with the latter and bought a KMC, worked like a charm.
I run a Shimano XT drive train but with a SRAM AXS GX derailleur. I get the smoothness of hyperglide shifting and wireless shifting. The only "hard" part is you have to measure for the B limit position instead of using the plastic guide. Which is really easy anyway.
Great series. Loving it. Be great to see a separate vid on all the joys and pitfalls of wheel threading too...especially from the point of view of someone at home, and not a shop pro.
the delay on the shifter is normal. The AXS only shifts when the "right" spot for the chain is caught. Thats also how you can shift smoothly while going rampage on pedaling.
I think having a sram electronic is quite use full because you don’t need wires and is easy to do and good for trails cuz if you fall it has shock absorbers which doesnt bend the hanger
How about doing a comparison at the end of brand new bikes that are priced at the high bike total cost and low total cost to see if your better off buying a more expensive bike to begin with?
The AXS controller you have is the revised version. It was rushed produced to meet the demands of riders who wanted a conventional shifting feel. IMO it sucks. It has dead play before it actually shifts. The original shifter (which is still sold on GX AXS), has zero dead play and requires less thumb movement.
@@EvansMTBSaga The shifter paddles can be swapped out. They're just held in place by a long bolt. You can find the GX paddles for sale on the second hand market for $25.
Haven't even watched yet and thank you for making a real comparison. SLX is a realistic upgrade for MANY MTBers and knowing what they are getting compared to the top bling is great. This series should blow your channel up.
You are leaving one huge factor out of your equation. One bolt removes the expensive wireless rear derailluer so I can use it on multiple bikes- super fast to setup and align for each bike.
FYI you’re pushing down on the AXS shifter in the wrong spot. You can see that small tab extending out, that’s where your thumb should be pressing “down”. At 11:45 in your video you can see the “tab” you’re supposed to pressing on right below your thumb knuckle.
@@EvansMTBSaga All good! I just wanted to share some info that i have learned. The revised paddle you’re using was created by Sram to mimic the ergonomics of a traditional cable shifter since feedback from user when Eagle AXS was first released 3 yrs ago indicated that a lot of users did not like the first version of the paddle. I believe it’s a personal preference since I know some people I’ve met actually like it. It’s a $20 part and 15min to change so not a big deal if you wanted to try both types.
I've had the same pair of Speedplay Frog peddles for the past 20 years. They are on their fourth bike. My point is, companies don't seem to be able to just make a simple (great, fantastic, reliable) product - and stick with it. For whatever reason, they feel they MUST "improve" year after year. Analogue shifting has been flawless for a couple of decades now. We don't need a battery powered options that shifts .00003% better. As you likely know, they don't make Frogs anymore. They were too perfect. Once they realized they couldn't improve them every 3 years (and thus market/make consumers buy more) they stopped making them...
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The best was the dog taking itself for a walk.
I saw that aswell 🤣
Sure, but Karen was triggered.....
😂😂
That dog scared me. I thought it had an arrow stuck in it.
Came to comments just to confirm I wasn't the only one 😅
5:49 Dog appears out of thin air 🤣
Amazing video as always, genuinely can't wait to see what happens in the rest of the series.
Doctor strange's dog for sure 😂
Lol I was going to comment that
The magic of edition XD
yee yee. By far the BEST comparison video series. Ive used these videos to buy many of my bike components, and Evan's reviews are on the dot.
Dude thanks so much! Sometimes I have a hard time remembering to cover the bases with reviews and hit all talking points. Glad I helped though!
I recently had a big surgery, which means I can can’t mountain bike for up to 7 months. These videos have been so fun and cheerful to watch during recovery. Keep up the great work Evan!
No wories mate.. my disk.. got crashed.. surgery, paralyzed for 12 months..
Learn to walk again and shit..
Now i.m back on my giant pathom 2 6 days a week..
Recover... and dont give up..
Praying to Jesus for ya'! 😇💪🙏
@@Tyber_gsk thanks man 🙌
You'll be alright man, I once my broke tibia and fibula and took me 8 months to recover and 2 months of therapy by myself. Everything will be alright
How are you 8 months later?
PINKBIKE TAKE NOTES! excellent job with this series. cant wait to see you get some carbon hoops for the high bike.
Carbon hoops are in my possession, doing the rear shock first 👍
@@EvansMTBSaga just out of curiosity. What’s the budget for low bike wheels?
@@EvansMTBSaga heyy man can you get some hunt-wheels for the bidget bike they are the absolut best bag for the bug
@@schwarzauge4909 dissagree, Nukeproof horizon v2 are best bang for buck.
I feel like the pinkbike had the limitations of using only one retailer for the parts supply. That is why their series were on that level. We all know that they can do better. But have to say, Evans, you are a god.
I run SLX on my bike. It changes the gears well, stays in adjustment and is pretty rugged (never had an issue with the plastic clutch lever). I would rather put high-end components on for suspension, brakes, and contact points!
I think I'm with Evan as well on the AXS, tried it once and wasn't a huge fan. I also enjoy the tactile feeling of cable actuated!
@Mustafa Hussein like where your body contacts the bike. And where your bike contacts the ground. So things like tires, wheels,, pedals, seat, grips, handlebars, can all make a huge difference of feel on bike when riding. Save half your money by not going wireless and spend it on nice pedals, seat, bars, and tires (and 4pot brakes)!
This is the same type of guy who wants a horse drawn carriage instead of a car
SRAM GX AXS is the sweet spot - best bang for your buck.
Personally best bang for buck for me would be a sram shifter and Shimano the rest and yes that actually works been running it since July last year
I’ve been checking ur channel everyday to see if you have posted on this series. In my opinion this is one of the best upgrade series on UA-cam
me who has a $30 shifter watchin this 💀
Same
Same
My cycle is worth 100$😂😂
Who has 5$ one?
I haven't bike
Way better than Pinkbike's budget vs baller series that was a huge letdown, good idea's poor execution. Keep up the good work.
Yeah they didnt try to get good budget parts they went for garbage
Best mtb series I've ever seen. Keep up making videos like these
Damn congrats on your first 200k. Also congrats on 30k subs.
Thanks dude! I was wondering where you've been
Great video, as always, but the time travelling space dog coming through that trail portal (caught on camera) at 5:50 is probably a once in a lifetime event.
It was quite lucky that Derrick barely maneuvered around that wormhole, or he would have lost $10!
#itsamiracle #spacedog #timetravel #derrickisspared
I really like the last part of this episodes where we can get a glimpse of what will we see on the next episode. When you say "how much did you spend on that??" I also put my hands in my head asking the exact same question 😁
This series is so good! Great job man!
Same lmao, I saw the ext shock and was like "NO WAY"
@@felixfam0481 As a hard tail rider, idk what an ext shock is lmao.
Imagine getting a dollar every time Evan laced a wheel on this channel 🤣
Yoooo it feels like 90s advertisement on the way you speak lol. Loving your vid man!
the dog at 5:51 😂
6:11 YOOOO dog appearing out of thin air
Love the series. I would only add you could have went with the 11speed Deore series, and would have had less compatibility issues. I am personally not sold on 12 speed, although that said I don't shift all the time and prefer the simplicity of less gears. I think Box one was onto something, though I do prefer the Shimano overall.
just fyi micro adjust is just like the barrel, it works across the range not per gear. One benefit of AXS is cable housing degradation, you know over time your shifting is sluggish because the wire cuts into the housing, not an issue on AXS.
battery not last forever
So as someone who has tuned fox forks that uppity feeling could be one of 3 things and it may be all of them. 1, you could have too much low speed compression. 2, you could have too much air. 3 you could have to manny tokens in your fork. Remember its better to add compression to a lower air pressure fork than to add air or tokens and decrease compression. First fully open your compression and set to 28% sag (I find this to bee the sweet spot) then ride three small sections of trail. 1 a majorly rocky section 2 a flat and flowy section 3 a steep section. The goal is to use 75 to 85 percent of the travel in the rocky section 35 to 45 in the flowy section and in the steep you don't won't the fork to go down more than 55 percent if you are going straight without bumps. If you find that the fork is great though the beginning of the travel but blows through the last 30 percent of the travel then add a token. By adding tokens you are adding more progression to the travel. If you find the beginning is to stiff remove air. If it's blowing though the travel in the beginning to much and you haven't gone above 4 clicks of what fox recommends for compression add 1 click compression and follow the same line on the trail again. If you use more than 4 more click than what fox recommends go back to what fox recommends and add 2 psi of air. Remember when adding air you still need to cycle the fork to add air to the negative chamber and same with removing air because you want the air chambers to be right and both to decrease In Pressure
IMO any frame that still has standard old school drop outs and skewers deserves 11spd shimano at the most. Its not a bad thing, its actually a great setup and a very reasonable price. the best part is that you can actually find the components.
Sunrace 12 speed cassettes work very well. Also shimano m5100 11sp 11-51t. Deore 12 speed shifter/derailleur with a sunrace cassette is best budget upgrade imo and you can still use the hg driver. Great video series so far!
The sunrace shifts terribly compared to any Shimano hyperglide+
@@Mikesonbikes
Yeah, I wasn't trying to say sunrace shifts as nice as hg+. I was referring to ease of converting to 1x12 being a better "budget". Deore 12s with sunrace cassette can use eagle/kmc chain, regular narrow wide chainring and hg driver.
I built 2 budget bikes for my wife and son using the same combo and it shifts pretty good. Just a little more adjusting of the b-gap. Definitely not as nice as my slx/xt hg+ setup
I personally use the sunrace 12 speed cassettes on my m7100 slx drivetrain. It doesn't shift as much as smooth as what HG does, but it does the job just fine, it's better than what I used to have, though the b-gap is kinda misleading, cause if you tried to align it with that, it won't shift even sometimes.
5:51 Has anyone also seen the dog coming out of nowhere?
Can't wait for the upgraded wheels episode! Great stuff!
I've already filmed the shock episode, but noticed the stock wheels are SEVERELY holding back the bike, so I moved up the wheel episode to be after the shock
One of the best MTB channels out there! I'll watch every single video and watched all the videos already
If you want to get the job done cheap, you can go shimano 1x11 on the cassete 11-51t and get any 12s derailleur you want. And for 60$ (in my country) you can get the 11s crankset and for 26$ the shifter.
Basically the whole transmision for 230$ without any compatibility issues.
Or just get the deore 10s cassete 11-46t and save some money on the shifter, chain(not changing these), cassete and derailleur. The second setup would be 150$ before selling the old stuff.
dude, those shots with "both" of you and the literal twin at the ends are awsome. Way to go ! love the serie :)
Apart from the good transparency on the parts, you have great video editting, on the part where you "were" overtaking yourself had me surprised, great video as always!
Or that was another rider just wearing your clothes, idk but still that was great visual story telling
Thank you Carlos! The edit is my favorite part. This time I got another rider to wear Chad's clothes 😭 just to mix it up. Theres some people that think we are two different people, so I wanted to add to that confusion 😁
@@EvansMTBSaga can't wait for other episodes in this series :D
THE DOG THAT COMES OUT OF NO WHERE TRIPPED ME RIGHT OUT 5:50
i am subscribed but my cranks still stripped. All jokes aside i really love you're content and i hope you keep making more of it
Haha I think we've all stripped cranks, or know someone that has!
I actually just switched out my SRAM mechanical on my Epic EVO for the GX AXS and loving it. Not quite as expensive as the XX1 version but still super smooth.
Agreed. No idea what he is talking about with this button delay. It could be that he is pressing the button on that shifter wrong. On the big button you are supposed to press down. Switched from mechanical X01 to X01 AXS and it is the fastest shifting i have had in 20 years
I was more confused, or maybe misunderstood, when he said it could take hours with the micro adjustments. I found the complete opossite. Setting up and adjusting the AXS is 1000x easier than a cable actuated drive train. I also think it's unfair to evaluate it with so many mismatch parts. Stick all gx eagle on and thus drive train is soooooo much better than cable actuated. However, I do agree it is an adjustment if you're big on "feeling" the click of gears. Eventually you just begin to realize the thing just works flawlessly and though you don't feel the gear change you notice the gears have changed.....
5:50 Is that Dog walking him self on the trail?
man, i watch this and feel overwhelmed by how great a bike mechanic you are. great job!!!! great video!!! upvoted!!!
You could have saved about $100 bucks by just using a KMC 12 speed chain, they're cheaper than the Shimano and compatible with the chainring.
Kmc is a great chain brand
Evan, when building a new wheel, to avoid losing spoke nipplies inside the rim, screw an old spoke into the top end of the spoke nipple (the thicker part) and it will allow you to hold it in place inside the rim when putting it onto the old spoke! Adds a few seconds per spoke but compared to shaking it loose it saves you time. Hope it helps buddy!
These were sealed with wax or something!
@@EvansMTBSaga Oof.. must be some fancy spoke nipples to be sealed with wax! Didn't even know that was a thing! Off the top of my head I'd just heat up some stray shifter cable or some other thin metal thingymabob and poke it into the wax so it melted and held. So many times I've dropped a spoke nipple into a rim and spent the next 30 mins anxious I'd be able to get it out the last spoke hole because I'm too lazy to start over :D
Was it just me because I think I saw a dog come out of nowhere 🤔 😳 😅
Shimanos cassettes also have a really cool design and they slip between gears soooooo easily… as a guy who rode sram for 3 years and just now am riding slx on my hard tail holy crap is Shimano good it flys up and down the cassette without a noise or clank its so crisp if you haven’t tried it you have to the build quality on Shimano is also incredible
Arent we going to talk about that dog that just spawned
Trail dogs are weird!
@@EvansMTBSaga i love your videos keep up the good work
Dude youre video quality is like from an channel with more then 200k subscribers! Insanely good video! U will get really big really fast i know it!
Thanks man I really appreciate it! Almost every minute of the day is put into the videos so I appreciate the recognition and it gives me motivation 👍💪
Such good series! Well done 👍🏼 So is the special chain/chain ring just a 12 speed issue? Seems staying in the 10 or 11 speed for low bike may give you more options and better access to value for performance options and cross brand compatibility. Happy Tuesday Evan! ☕️ Love the redemption for the Z2 Bomber!
Yeah it's a 12 speed issue. The stock deore chainring said 10/11 speed ☠️
Or just use a KMC or SRAM 12-speed chain.
such a great series, hi-low works so well for mountain bikes
for 80 bucks you could have bought a new crankset including chainring for shimano 12s
Bro this vid hit 300k! It got reccomended to me again. Keep up the good work
The conclusion with Shimano chains incompatibility can apply the same as SRAM's HD driver body to be honest. Not to mention that Raceface, woolftooth, Hope are already making a compatible chainrings with Shimano's chain, which provides the mentioned in the video Hyperglide+.., which is a revolutionary development in Cable shifting.
The only difference is that even at lower tier of DriveTrain such as a Full SLX - you get a better shifting performance than you will ever get with SRAM's 2k bugs Drivetrain.
Before the crap start spilling on my way, which reminds me - Notifications OFF - have a test with full drivetrain bundles, bodged cranksets with used chainrings can not present event a half-descent test for shifting performance :)
Having tried both, I don't notice any difference with hyperglide. A well setup 12sp drive train feels good either way. Hyperglide is mostly marketing. But fully agree on the electronic shifting. Not only is the cost outrageous but don't see any upside.
Hyper glide 2 is just shimano’s marketing for adding shift ramps for the downshifts, something sram has done for years now which is why srams cassettes have always shifted better, especially on the downshift. Shimano could have added it years ago when sram did but never bothered until their cassettes wouldn’t work with e bike motor’s. And you’re absolutely deluded if you think a cheap monkey metal six group set will ever come close to the performance of x01 or xx1, not even XTR comes close. You buy shimano because it’s cheap and does the job. You pay the extra for sram because it does the job well and lasts.
Bro i stripped my first cranks and realized it after trying to pedal.
Should have subscribed earlier.
That would have "definitely" helped.
That dog spawning in at 5:48 was hilarious
Finally I’ve been waiting for this to stop for soooo long now😤
The low end drivetrain can get even better feel if you put an xt shifter on it. I realize that doesn’t help with your budget, but this is the main drivetrain upgrade i do on all my bikes, whether it’s deore or slx drivetrain.
Oh wow nice! The Deore already feels awesome, an upgrade off that would be huge
Doesn’t actually give you a better feel. That rapid release system adds a lot of drag to the system and contributes to that dirty cable feeling you get with shimano gears and you can accidentally shift down two gears at once which you can’t with the deore. The SLX shifter functions the best from shimano’s range just a shame there so cheap and plasticy but even the XTR shifters are pretty cheap and poorly manufactured.
@@TheNotoriousMIC well you’ve had different experiences from me evidently. From my experience the slx or deore with softer push and less of a positive feel of engagement isn’t as nice as the xt. The xt also allows and extra gear up and downshift. Xt shifter with anything less in the range on shimano is typically regarded as the way to go. But yes it feels different and the odd person may not like that. Oh, and accidentally downshifting two at once, I don’t understand that as it takes a conscience effort and click to get the second shift, but again not for everyone I guess.
@@WilliamrikerNCC1701 I only ever shift one gear at at time nobody needs to shift three or four gears at once and I’ve slipped a pedal many times from accidentally shifting down twice. It’s pointless and dangerous and there’s no reason for it to be on a bike. I’ve moved to sram exclusively for shifters and mechs. They just shift so much better, lighter touch and the quality is much higher.
@@TheNotoriousMIC well unfortunately we’re not all as good riders as you are since I sometimes shift more than one gear at a time. Thankfully shimano has designed the higher end shifters for weak riders like myself that need to shift multiple gears in a short amount of time, lol.
This is the series I've always wanted to see great job with this series so far
I don’t know how you do it but you get better at making videos every time you put a new one out.
Thanks man! Editing is my favorite part of the entire process
I love how a little before that 4 minute mark you cropped out the person and a dog just appears out of nowhere
Dude that's so funny! You are the very first person to comment that the person was cropped out! Lot's of people think the dog appeared out of nowhere hahaha. I cropped out the person to protect their privacy, and after making my initial crop the dog just appeared. I was laughing so much, so I just left it like that haha. Good catch dude!
5:48 did that dog appear out of thin air
Looking forward to the rear shock upgrade video!
love those type of vids, well explained, some humour and pretty chill
On top of absolutely nailing the content, your alter ego editing wins the price. Your simply having me fooled sometimes, like when you both finish the lap chasing each other and you even manage to pass in a very convincing way 💥
For the expensive bike you should get xt or xtr brakes and for the cheap some code r i had on my bike code rs i didn’t like them at all i switched to xtr but my dad has xt and its super nice and you can also get a comparison vid from it ! Shimano > sram
Deore 4 piston for budget. Pretty much same performance as xt or slx, just a little less easy adjustment.
This is the best series off bikes in my opinion
That dog in 5:50 is a wizard!
5:50 That dog just returned from the 4th dimension lmaoo
A little tip that helped me a lot with wheel building was to take an extra spoke and screw it into the top of the spoke nipple so it won’t fall into the rim
The effort on the videos is insane!
1:51 YOOO I GOT THOSSSEEE (albeit in black)
on a side note they really help with mud clearance in the wet and i don't have to clean out pulley worms anymore! they also look super sick as well as quieten down the grinding of the plastic pulley wheels on my NX
You need to factor in the cost of that truing stand for the low build. FWIW, I bought a truing stand years ago (when old school wheels needed truing every few rides), but for lacing a new wheel and getting the tension & vertical true just right, I’ll take it to the pros.
I also agree that when upgrading suspension, may as well go top shelf.
Yes new Vid from the Lad👀😍
I honestly think it's cheaper to buy a different chain brand like KMC than replacing the chainring that would fit the shimano chain. I've had that issue before when I bought a new shimano chain. Went to 2 different LBS to check the issue, one said it's my chainring, the other said it's the chain. So I went with the latter and bought a KMC, worked like a charm.
reminds me fo high low on donut media
Seriously had me rewind on the dog! I thought it had an arrow or something in its side till I realized what was actually going on.
I run a Shimano XT drive train but with a SRAM AXS GX derailleur.
I get the smoothness of hyperglide shifting and wireless shifting.
The only "hard" part is you have to measure for the B limit position instead of using the plastic guide. Which is really easy anyway.
dang this vid hit 400k! you are going to hit 50k by the end of this month for sure
Great series. Loving it.
Be great to see a separate vid on all the joys and pitfalls of wheel threading too...especially from the point of view of someone at home, and not a shop pro.
No grease on chainring bolts, no grease on crank spindle, no grease on pedals. Fucken A+ video
5:51 the dog just spawned in😂😂
Re-lacing a wheel to get this comparison done. Nothing stops this dude lol
the delay on the shifter is normal. The AXS only shifts when the "right" spot for the chain is caught. Thats also how you can shift smoothly while going rampage on pedaling.
The dog just beamed out of nowhere its like scotty got the coordinates wrong 🤣
I think having a sram electronic is quite use full because you don’t need wires and is easy to do and good for trails cuz if you fall it has shock absorbers which doesnt bend the hanger
How about doing a comparison at the end of brand new bikes that are priced at the high bike total cost and low total cost to see if your better off buying a more expensive bike to begin with?
Love my XX1 AXS. Could never go backwards now.
A dog just teleported onto screen around 5.50 mark :)
I love how easy u put the tyre on ! :D
The AXS controller you have is the revised version. It was rushed produced to meet the demands of riders who wanted a conventional shifting feel. IMO it sucks. It has dead play before it actually shifts. The original shifter (which is still sold on GX AXS), has zero dead play and requires less thumb movement.
Oh wow interesting to know. Makes me want to try the GX!
@@EvansMTBSaga The shifter paddles can be swapped out. They're just held in place by a long bolt. You can find the GX paddles for sale on the second hand market for $25.
Great video, love this series
This series is Amazing! I don’t think i can wait 2 weeks for the next vid with the rear shock❤️
Next video out Monday or Tuesday. Doing weekly uploads until the series is over
@@EvansMTBSaga lets go! thanks for the grind! Love from🇦🇺
do we all ignore that dog coming out of nowhere at 5:50 ? :)
Haven't even watched yet and thank you for making a real comparison. SLX is a realistic upgrade for MANY MTBers and knowing what they are getting compared to the top bling is great. This series should blow your channel up.
i love wating for these vids- there are other comparisons but this just is just- 🔥🔥🔥
That intro was spot on to Hi Low series from Donut
Heck yeah, check the description. Love that series
Amazing work. Big love from India❤️❤️
Great video love the Garbaruk
Is no one gonna talk about the dog walking out of thin air at the end of the sponsor section🤣🤣😂😂🤣😂
2 years later: random dog-who dis?
and i hope you keep the high bike as your own you deserve it
You are leaving one huge factor out of your equation. One bolt removes the expensive wireless rear derailluer so I can use it on multiple bikes- super fast to setup and align for each bike.
Not really unless they have the exact same adjustable you’d have to index every time and remove the chain and get a new master link every time
L-twoo the best)))put a 12 speed cassette on a hg hub and save cash
FYI you’re pushing down on the AXS shifter in the wrong spot. You can see that small tab extending out, that’s where your thumb should be pressing “down”. At 11:45 in your video you can see the “tab” you’re supposed to pressing on right below your thumb knuckle.
Thanks for the advice! I'll try it out. My first time if you couldn't tell 😭
@@EvansMTBSaga All good! I just wanted to share some info that i have learned. The revised paddle you’re using was created by Sram to mimic the ergonomics of a traditional cable shifter since feedback from user when Eagle AXS was first released 3 yrs ago indicated that a lot of users did not like the first version of the paddle. I believe it’s a personal preference since I know some people I’ve met actually like it. It’s a $20 part and 15min to change so not a big deal if you wanted to try both types.
5:51 - the dog lol. I really like these videos. Keep them up!!
Best thing about the video was him wearing a Berm Peak tee , supposedly supporting Seth 😀
nice but from where that dog immerged 5:50. ROTFL 🤣🤣
I've had the same pair of Speedplay Frog peddles for the past 20 years. They are on their fourth bike. My point is, companies don't seem to be able to just make a simple (great, fantastic, reliable) product - and stick with it. For whatever reason, they feel they MUST "improve" year after year. Analogue shifting has been flawless for a couple of decades now. We don't need a battery powered options that shifts .00003% better. As you likely know, they don't make Frogs anymore. They were too perfect. Once they realized they couldn't improve them every 3 years (and thus market/make consumers buy more) they stopped making them...
5:50 dog is unveiled from behind the curtain😂
5:51 the dog is just coming out of nowhere