Biffa: "I just love watching the traffic" Me: "WHY ARE ALL OF YOU USING THE SAME LANE? THERE ARE 2 MORE!!! YOU! DON´T STOP ON A BUSY HIGHWAY JUST TO CHANGE LANES! AND WHAT THE HECK ARE YOU DOING THERE???" *cardiac arrest noises*
@@li_tsz_fung I've heard stories of people who had full-on mental breakdowns their first time driving through a roundabout in a country with left-handed traffic.
4:47 "Fortunately, I don't have that many roundabouts." - "Biffa" I put "Biffa" in quotes, because clearly it's not Biffa but instead the alien impostor that has replaced him...
@@BiffaPlaysCitiesSkylines My thanks to you, sir! Daily, I navigate Boston. The legend is, that the roads were laid on existing cow-trails, effectively allowing much of the city to be planned by cattle. The average driving commuter spends 164 hours in traffic per year. I daydream about fixes I will never see implemented. Watching this is very cathartic.
So by the magic of the YT algorithm I watched a driving instructor video on mini-roundabouts. It seems Britain is weird about them (not as weird as the French though, so that's something), you have to yield to traffic from the right (left for right-hand traffic countries) regardless if you're in the junction or before entering? but what about "normal" roundabouts in Britain, do you have right of way after entering those?
@@RogerNorling mini roundabouts have exactly the same rules as normal roundabouts: absolute priority on the roundabout (at least in the UK). Due to their size however, this usually boils down to giving way to traffic approaching fron your right, but really it's giving way to traffic on the mini roundabout. Also, a rule that is often ignored by drivers is that you're supposed to go around the 'middle' of the mini roundabout, not across it.
It is clear that the game was not designed to allow for a perfect simulation of something as "compact" as the swinton roundabout. But you also had a lot more room there - it not having to fit into pre-existing space - so you could have done it using the less compact baseline roads.
There is a logical reason. Instead of the need to circle hole runabout if you should turn left you take inner one and is out ASAP, if you go right, the outer one. On the real thing those small once also do so you depending on traffic can take different path to the same exit depending on traffic.
I think the areas around your new magic roundabout would look awesome with 2-3 areas of high-density residential with an area of offices and the last fifth full of mixed-use commercial and office with some fancy landmarks or parks at the center of each section.
I heard you had trouble when trying to move from STABLE to LABS version. It's due to game engine issue: 1. Only one version of TM:PE can be used at a time (others must be completely unsubscribed - disabling is NOT sufficient, they must be completely unsubscribed) 2. After changing mod version you MUST exit to desktop, then relaunch the game. If you don't do that, the old version will still be active in memory - the only way to flush it from memory is exit to desktop. This is due to the way Mono (which Unity engine runs in) handles its AppDomain mods. It's not something that can be fixed at the modding level.
You and your rotaries... BTW, ever wonder why the USA doesn't have many rotaries? It all has to do with the number of "intersections", i.e. potential stop points. This includes for both pedestrians and vehicles. And since pedestrians have ultimate right of way, you could theoretically clog up the circle. Not to mention each intersection is a potential accident point (and let's face it, compared to your requirements for attaining a driver's license, we effectively just have to back out of a parking space and we get a license). So the various DOTs much prefer traditional intersections with tri-color signals or stop signs (yield signs are a rarity outside of ramps).
Idea: No crosswalks! Foot bridges everywhere! No cars waiting for pedestrians to cross! No pedestrians waiting to cars to let them go! The pedestrians just go over the bridge over the road and the cars.
Well, I've recently got back into Skylines after a while away (didn't have parks, industry etc) and started a new city to try and use all of the new features. I'm insanely jealous of your skills. I've finally unlocked trains etc and the tools to make a proper city centre and CBD but the map is extremely mountainous and I can't really just make another highway intersection. I'm loathe to gut the core of my city to make a proper city centre but I think I might have to.
I don’t know why, but whenever I try to play this game, I always seem to make my city go bankrupt in 15 minutes. And then I just quit the game for like 6 months. I love to watch the gameplay, just wish I understood how to play this as well. I love the traffic manager mod. Seems so sastisfying.. 😢
What do I reckon? That way madness lies. If I lived in that city I would avoid that roundabout at all costs, driving miles out of my way if necessary. I'm afraid I'd be like those confused drivers, turning around to try to go the way I want and not knowing where that is. LOL It isn't that I'm afraid of driving in traffic... I lived in Calgary for years without any problems and have driven in larger cities as well, but that roundabout is just... crazy confusing... not magical... in my opinion.
@@tuckeyuk Good to know, but where I'm from they got rid of any roundabouts that were built anywhere populated and there's only one or two left in the whole province and they're outside of cities. Too many accidents on them.
It would be kinda neat if done well. Maybe not a full blown collision detection (that would be kinda hard on the game I reckon) but maybe a risk factor on junctions that are based on traffic lights, allowed speed, amount of streets in that junction, amount of traffic, etc. And then accidents may occur from time to time which need to be handled by police/ambulance/hearse causing traffic jams, closed lanes, etc. Yeah I would play with that mod.
@Maiden Minnesota I remember that! The difference is though that each car in this game is an agent, cars and pedestrians in SC4 were more or less a visual for the player, the crashes and stuff just told you that there's a lot of traffic there, they didn't really "occur" per se
I hope it get's added to the disasters DLC I was thinking the same! Like accidents on the road causes more traffic issues & fire fighters with there trucks going onto the highway & putting it out like they do at buildings & right behind the firetruck is a tow truck. Like it takes the burnt car & junk it at a junkyard parking lot..?
I'm friends with whisperwalk and we help each other out a bit, all his roads have all the lane arrows embedded and he doesn't place any props at all in manually. It's the game getting confused with the angle of the connection and you can fix it by shifting the segment around very slightly with moveit. He's the author if the cul-de-sac pack you've already showcased and also the Tiny Highways pack that this roundabout is made of. The highways pack automatically draws continuous lane lines through nodes and make super awesome looking junctions automatically. Definitely a creator to keep an eye on!
Most traffic congestion problems in this game are created by people’s lack of planning and building a better road network. I see too often someone made a roadway intersection thats a bottleneck simply because they did not build other parallel road routes. One key strategy of traffic management, whether in reality or fiction, is having redundancy in a network...not to rely on one intersection or road to manage traffic access to an area. Roundabouts work in certain design situations, but they are not a “solve all problems” solution. Back to back roundabouts or even signalled intersections without proper road distance in between is another traffic congestion generator. Its called “access management” in civil engineering, which is my real world industry.
I think that most people start playing the game, with limited amount of cash and locked upgrades and just build stuff as they can until they realize it doesn't work and now they need even more cash to solve the problems, just to create other problems down the line. Or just start a new city, over and over. You CANNOT plan ahead unless you've played the game for dozens of hours or read/watched a bunch of guides. But if a guide just tells you what to do, what's the point of actually playing the game ? On top of that you need to know which mods to install because the base game is lacking a lot of options.
J B Compare the age and budgets of the cities around you against the age of cities in a game where the players can have unlimited money. Toss in that you can’t just delete and rebuild entire intersections and roads in a few seconds. Now, shove that reality up your rear and see if you can actually form an opinion that doesn’t come from obvious ignorance.
Biffa: Everyone who comes in to this city is paying us back... Me: Is this a city in Norway? Almost every big city in Norway has toll-roads.. Oslo, Trondheim, Bergen, Stavanger and Kristiansand as I know about have toll-road in to the city :P
"So I add tolls to generate money, but it have a smal negative effect, so lets remove the negative so it only gives positive effects that is balanced" - Biffa
A note about speed limits on the toll roads: here in Oklahoma (USA) we have little sensors that is placed just below the rear-view mirror on the windshields. There are scanners placed above the lanes with a wide angle lens, so they can scan cars as they pass in our automated toll roads. So, no need to slow down at all. Traffic flow is much, much better and cars can maintain speed. The only time a car has to slow or stop is when they pay cash, and those have a exit/on ramp to an area off to the side of the main roadway. Needless to say that is not often used, but is a feature of toll roads here. Magic Roundabout: Looks nice, a bit more for the intermediate and advance Cities Skylines player. However, after watching you use this, I can see myself placing and setting it up nicely! Thanks for the mini-tutorial in game! Also, it looks like the center of a spider web! :) Very happy with this segment of the video. Also, a side note about trains, I was looking around on UA-cam, and noted another player using the landscaping tool to "sink" tracks a tiny bit, so that the road going over is at one level, and the tracks are not underground. Would you ever use this technique in your city for train tracks or even roads? It is a realistic feature of cities in the US, not sure of other countries. Just a thought, and though you do have a very unique play style (which I do love!) this would also add some variety to the look of your city.
Christine Murphy - I use terrain editing all the time to fine tune grading design for road and rail crossings. Hardest thing to edit is tunnels that afe changing grade inside hills or mountains, as by default, gradeline wants to follow parallel to surface. Building a spiral road inside a hill or mountain is hard. In one city, I have some underground freeways and interchanges. Unfortunately I do not yet have a video camera or know how to do videos like ones used for these city tutorials.
@@battlestar79 This player just lowered the terrain a bit, added the train tracks and then put the road over the train tracks. I know it is used a bit in the city I live in, and in the rural areas, they don't use concrete on the sides, but in the cities they do. It's not quite a tunnel, but is still requires a bridge. Use programs like OBS (Open Broadcast Software), which is free to use. You can also use it to stream with (both Twitch and UA-cam).
@@jakej9108 Not quite. From Wikipedia: "In 2005, it was voted the worst roundabout in a survey of the general public by a UK insurance company.[6] In September 2007, the Magic Roundabout was named as one of the world's worst junctions by a UK motoring magazine.[7] In December 2007, BBC News reported a survey identifying The Magic Roundabout as one of the "10 Scariest Junctions in the United Kingdom";[8] however, the roundabout provides a better throughput of traffic than other designs and has an excellent safety record, since traffic moves too slowly to do serious damage in the event of a collision.[9]"
7:12 That roundabout really triggers my OCD to the extreme. Someone spend time making this, but the lazy bastard, couldn't be arsed to make sure that there is equal spacing between all 5 roads.
Because it copes much better with right turns than a regular roundabout (UK, so all the way around the roundabout). If you have a route of heavy traffic that mostly goes all the way around a roundabout then that can cause very long waits to traffic from other directions, because inflow is never going to be interrupted. By diverting right turning traffic away from the rest of the roundabout other directions are guaranteed to be able to get into the junction, balancing the flow. It sounds like a fairly obscure case, but if you have a large commercial area one way and a large residential area in an adjacent direction it will happen in either the morning or the evening.
Binged your city fixing while playing the game... I started playing last sunday early morning hours, I already have 81 hours in the game. (Yes life is a foreign concept to me) My city is only little over 50k. And I have micromanaged the living crap out of it. I've also made 10 million, but the last 30 hours it has just been going back and fourth between 8 million and 13 million. I'd love to send my city for getting insight to everything that I'm doing wrong, cuz having this many hours and such a small city and barely making any money since the first expansion to it and being "afraid to expand" because it will cause more traffic, just can't be normal.
your freeway thing at 1:10 sorta looks like the freeway ramps where i live, they are really good at handling traffic but the ramps irl are longer (cords if ya want to see it 42.2777433,-83.2173222 )
SPOILER ALERT! Great channel Biffa, and well done to the person that re-created the Swindon Magic Runabout. It must have taken a lot of work. Also it looks great in Biffa's City-scape. (DON"T READ THE NEXT BIT!) It IS a bit late. BUT! my OCD keeps kicking in badly. I used to Live near Swindon and drive though those roundabouts often. I noticed a slight error in this design. The outer extreme 3rd anti clockwise lane is suppose to be the footpath/sidewalk. Instead of 2 lanes and the single going anticlockwise (outer ring). The 3 lanes are together. Easy mistake. If you view The SMR in Goggle Maps. Use satellite view and zoom in, At first glance it is great copy. (In a reverse direction which is even harder.) Count the lanes Also go to street view. Look to the outside edge. The 3rd 'lane' is not a road. It is for pedestrians. (Looks like a road). This doesn't really change anything. It still a 6 lane roundabout. This one might even be better. SORRY! This has bugged me for ages but I didn't want to spoil it for everyone. I hope no one sees this. But at least now I have 'confessed!' Have a great day:)
Quick Question: 2:42 when inserting the toll roads, what did you hold to rotate the roads? Pretty basic question but I just started playing. Thank you.
A new trend is to reduce cars in cities. Here in Nice, France they just deleted a dedicated bus lane in major streets. leaving only one lane shared between emergency, bus, cars (bonkers) but on the side there is a nice garden with a zigzaging cycle lane. All that is bracketed by a tramway that is going underground, not all the way but mostly. Is it possible in simulation to really draw down cars trafic, and make more pedestrian, more bike, more bus more tramway viable ?? (in Nice their thing looks crazy because busses have trouble turning now with those reduced intersections, but we all know that real life sucks while simulations rocks !!)
What about when you get to 500,000 people? Toll booth speed? 200 mph! Watch all the blown engines! Hahaha That tower looks like the staircase leading to the observation deck at COTA!
Is using real life logic in cities skylines a good thing For example, I don’t build as many roads as the traffic would be worse due to encouragement to get people in their cars Is this okay?
Changing to TMPE labs should not have done that to your traffic... only if you still had both subscribed, but only one enabled does that happen. If that is not what you have done, The TMPE team would like to know about it.
Why would you use the toll policy and then keep the speed at 20, i'd set it the same as the highway speed. Its my experience (albeit limited) that tolls make little to no money at all, its not worth the hassle. The road-about doesn't look very good, it could use some aligning etc. As for the arrows in the wrong direction, there may be 2 nodes on top of each other ?
Kinda logical why the winner runabout goes the other way, that makes it so effective cause you can take the closest way. If you come to it, and should turn left, you simply take the inner runabout and are out, if you should go right, you take the outer runabout.
Biffa builds parks to charge people to walk to work, he puts tollbooths with max fees at all the highway entrances and exits to the city, wow. "will you make us laugh, will you make us cry? Will you tell us when to live, will you tell us when to die?"
Am I the only one thinking of all the accidents that would happen on that thing in real life? People have enough trouble driving down a straight street, that is chaos lol.
Regarding 4:00 I once made a Toll loop whereby they had to go through the toll 4 times by using lane management to slowly move them through each lane-booth until they had passed through all 4 and the last one exited onwards. My wife said it was super mean but I thought it was an epic way to generate money.
Hey, can anyone tell me in which mod you can have 4lan 2 way highways? searching for that through the mods and can't find the correct one, anyone can help?
Uhm I am finding my way in Skylines, but I am kinda overloaded in installing mods. Could you do a vid guiding me to the good mods and how to bloody install them? Please explain it to me like I am a young child ... or a Golden Retriever...
- Go to Steam Workshop for Cities Skylines (steamcommunity.com/app/255710/workshop/) - Find the mod you want and click "Subscribe" - Get into the Mods section of the game and activate it (and change its settings if needed) Some important mods: Traffic Manager President Edition Move it! More mods: Roundabout Builder Parallel Roads (a bit buggy I'd say, but sometimes worth trying) Network Extensions 2 (additional roads) SimpleClock (You _will_ lose track of time and the game doesn't originally have an ingame clock???) Fine Road Tool / Fine Road Anarchy (two mods) Prop Precision / Prop Snapping / Prop & Tree Anarchy (three mods) There are plenty more of course, that's just a few suggestions.
4:29 Biffa: Today we're fixing traffic on a city submitted by Biffa
Ah yeah! Even I can't escape my own fixes :-)
Lol
Traffic is driving on the right. Literally unplayable!!!
Biffa: "I just love watching the traffic"
Me: "WHY ARE ALL OF YOU USING THE SAME LANE? THERE ARE 2 MORE!!! YOU! DON´T STOP ON A BUSY HIGHWAY JUST TO CHANGE LANES! AND WHAT THE HECK ARE YOU DOING THERE???" *cardiac arrest noises*
11:50 is the car equvalent of a car going: Nope, no, no , niet, nein, I don't wanna, that place is scary, don't make me go there, please no"
Lol :-)
OMG, that AI is so realistic. Just like a tourist coming from somewhere with no roundabouts, but accidentally driving through a magic roundabout
@@li_tsz_fung I've heard stories of people who had full-on mental breakdowns their first time driving through a roundabout in a country with left-handed traffic.
I'd react exactly like this, lol
Не ожидал что тут будет русский.
4:47 "Fortunately, I don't have that many roundabouts." - "Biffa"
I put "Biffa" in quotes, because clearly it's not Biffa but instead the alien impostor that has replaced him...
Thing of beauty!! “What’s this car doing?” What every first time user to Swindon does 💩, where do I go!! 😆
Lol 😀
0:18 that red car at the bottom just making a turn around the tree and driving under the rocks
Dizzy.
If you live in a city with that many roundabouts and never lose your lunch you are a legend.
I've never played Cities: Skylines. I just really enjoy watching traffic problems being fixed.
Thank you Sagittarius_A* :-)
@@BiffaPlaysCitiesSkylines My thanks to you, sir! Daily, I navigate Boston. The legend is, that the roads were laid on existing cow-trails, effectively allowing much of the city to be planned by cattle. The average driving commuter spends 164 hours in traffic per year. I daydream about fixes I will never see implemented. Watching this is very cathartic.
I’ve only just started watching your videos - they’re tea-rrific! I need more TeaVille in my life; it would be tealightful if you posted an update!
In Poland there are painted white circles on normal small crossroad and they say this is now roundabout
It's called a mini roundabout. Very common in the UK. The idea is to implement roundabout rules to a junction that has no space for a full roundabout.
We have something similar in UK. A small bump called a mini roundabout.
So by the magic of the YT algorithm I watched a driving instructor video on mini-roundabouts. It seems Britain is weird about them (not as weird as the French though, so that's something), you have to yield to traffic from the right (left for right-hand traffic countries) regardless if you're in the junction or before entering? but what about "normal" roundabouts in Britain, do you have right of way after entering those?
@@RogerNorling mini roundabouts have exactly the same rules as normal roundabouts: absolute priority on the roundabout (at least in the UK). Due to their size however, this usually boils down to giving way to traffic approaching fron your right, but really it's giving way to traffic on the mini roundabout.
Also, a rule that is often ignored by drivers is that you're supposed to go around the 'middle' of the mini roundabout, not across it.
It is clear that the game was not designed to allow for a perfect simulation of something as "compact" as the swinton roundabout. But you also had a lot more room there - it not having to fit into pre-existing space - so you could have done it using the less compact baseline roads.
Reminds me of one of my starfish I had in my old fishtank.
Not really sure why the roundabout is set up the way it is, but I sure like the way it looked. Cheers for another great video.
There is a logical reason. Instead of the need to circle hole runabout if you should turn left you take inner one and is out ASAP, if you go right, the outer one.
On the real thing those small once also do so you depending on traffic can take different path to the same exit depending on traffic.
I think the areas around your new magic roundabout would look awesome with 2-3 areas of high-density residential with an area of offices and the last fifth full of mixed-use commercial and office with some fancy landmarks or parks at the center of each section.
Great Video. I am glad you did not have to send the city to Biffa he would never let you hear the end of it.
10:25 it's squidward dancing
This week, on Biffa plays, Biffa goes on a Labs trip.... LABS, LABS, LABS! 🍺🍺🍺🍺😂
Apparently, according to the poll, 13% of people have been to Swindon.
I heard you had trouble when trying to move from STABLE to LABS version. It's due to game engine issue:
1. Only one version of TM:PE can be used at a time (others must be completely unsubscribed - disabling is NOT sufficient, they must be completely unsubscribed)
2. After changing mod version you MUST exit to desktop, then relaunch the game. If you don't do that, the old version will still be active in memory - the only way to flush it from memory is exit to desktop.
This is due to the way Mono (which Unity engine runs in) handles its AppDomain mods. It's not something that can be fixed at the modding level.
You should give tips to whoever managed the roads in Bristol because it physically pains me as a new student from a fairly simple town 😂😂😂
ryza craft yeah Bristol roads are bad and annoying. 1 way everywhere. I don’t even live there lol
You’re doing an amazing thing for Buddy1927!! I’m so happy he’s got you helping him out :)
Biffa is the Mumbo Jumbo of Cities Skylines. Full stop.
You and your rotaries...
BTW, ever wonder why the USA doesn't have many rotaries? It all has to do with the number of "intersections", i.e. potential stop points. This includes for both pedestrians and vehicles. And since pedestrians have ultimate right of way, you could theoretically clog up the circle. Not to mention each intersection is a potential accident point (and let's face it, compared to your requirements for attaining a driver's license, we effectively just have to back out of a parking space and we get a license). So the various DOTs much prefer traditional intersections with tri-color signals or stop signs (yield signs are a rarity outside of ramps).
Idea: No crosswalks! Foot bridges everywhere! No cars waiting for pedestrians to cross! No pedestrians waiting to cars to let them go! The pedestrians just go over the bridge over the road and the cars.
IDEA! Could you copy a real existing city and see how well traffic moves through. Maybe start with a small town??
00:15 Batman enters his Batcave.
1:57 traffic lights on the roundabout!!!
Well, I've recently got back into Skylines after a while away (didn't have parks, industry etc) and started a new city to try and use all of the new features. I'm insanely jealous of your skills. I've finally unlocked trains etc and the tools to make a proper city centre and CBD but the map is extremely mountainous and I can't really just make another highway intersection. I'm loathe to gut the core of my city to make a proper city centre but I think I might have to.
The time lapse music sounds like its about to burst in slavic hardbass ngl
It looks like an octopus or something from bird eye view :D
This is magical
:-)
I don’t know why, but whenever I try to play this game, I always seem to make my city go bankrupt in 15 minutes. And then I just quit the game for like 6 months. I love to watch the gameplay, just wish I understood how to play this as well. I love the traffic manager mod. Seems so sastisfying.. 😢
If you draw some pavement under those roads on the magic roundabout will it get rid of the glitchy grass coming through it?
The inner roundabout should be anti-clockwise though
When I build an oblong-a-bout, I like to create a lake in the middle of it, like a large reflecting pool. It always looks really nice.
You sound exactly like mathematician/comedian Matt Parker
Build a zoo and a formula 1 race truck
A perfect magic roundabout?
Swindon wants to know your location
Maan how does one get all the ramps/highway access points so symmetrical? I swear getting things to look nice is the hardest part in the game
Wicked!!!
What do I reckon? That way madness lies. If I lived in that city I would avoid that roundabout at all costs, driving miles out of my way if necessary. I'm afraid I'd be like those confused drivers, turning around to try to go the way I want and not knowing where that is. LOL It isn't that I'm afraid of driving in traffic... I lived in Calgary for years without any problems and have driven in larger cities as well, but that roundabout is just... crazy confusing... not magical... in my opinion.
@@tuckeyuk Good to know, but where I'm from they got rid of any roundabouts that were built anywhere populated and there's only one or two left in the whole province and they're outside of cities. Too many accidents on them.
"Now lets add some trees to make it look nice"
Biffa... those are rocks.
"Trees" ;-)
they are trocks :P rock trees
If Milton Keynes can have concrete cows then I'm sure Biffa can have concrete "trees" ;)
@@BiffaPlaysCitiesSkylines sorts by trees in find it, sees rocks, my whole life is a lie.
Sudowudo. :)
The confused cars in the magic roundabout are probably Americans.
That one is me irl :'v
Probably. 😂
Russia, if it was American you would see a 20 car pile up.
Well if y’all didn’t drive on the wrong side of the road.
Evil Taco In our defense, we just don’t have many roundabouts here in the States. But we do drive on the RIGHT side of the road. 😉
If you want a more realistic centrepiece for the magic roundabout you need a wonky Christmas tree.
Lol :-)
That you can only see on max zoom (from another Swindonian). Last years was only about a foot tall.
or make life harder, when the council install a big bloody tv to one side to put you off
instablaster.
Biffa: Has $2.5million
Also Biffa: “We need to extort money from drivers”
I wish that there's a DLC or a mod that would make overlapping vehicles 'accidents' to add more realistic flavor to C:S.
It would be kinda neat if done well. Maybe not a full blown collision detection (that would be kinda hard on the game I reckon) but maybe a risk factor on junctions that are based on traffic lights, allowed speed, amount of streets in that junction, amount of traffic, etc. And then accidents may occur from time to time which need to be handled by police/ambulance/hearse causing traffic jams, closed lanes, etc. Yeah I would play with that mod.
Interesting :-)
@Maiden Minnesota I remember that! The difference is though that each car in this game is an agent, cars and pedestrians in SC4 were more or less a visual for the player, the crashes and stuff just told you that there's a lot of traffic there, they didn't really "occur" per se
Someone wants SC4 Rush-Hour back ^^
I hope it get's added to the disasters DLC I was thinking the same! Like accidents on the road causes more traffic issues & fire fighters with there trucks going onto the highway & putting it out like they do at buildings & right behind the firetruck is a tow truck. Like it takes the burnt car & junk it at a junkyard parking lot..?
I'm friends with whisperwalk and we help each other out a bit, all his roads have all the lane arrows embedded and he doesn't place any props at all in manually. It's the game getting confused with the angle of the connection and you can fix it by shifting the segment around very slightly with moveit.
He's the author if the cul-de-sac pack you've already showcased and also the Tiny Highways pack that this roundabout is made of. The highways pack automatically draws continuous lane lines through nodes and make super awesome looking junctions automatically. Definitely a creator to keep an eye on!
Luckily this magic roundabouts are just a thing in the uk😂
0:16 Red car on the roundabout lost control of the wheel and crashes into a rock!
*Disappears into a rock.
That boulder is clearly the secret entrance to the Bat-cave.
I thought it was a tree officer!
1:44 me sweating as Biffa gets his mouse near the road menu while looking at a perfectly fine roundabout 😨😨
Lol :-)
Most traffic congestion problems in this game are created by people’s lack of planning and building a better road network. I see too often someone made a roadway intersection thats a bottleneck simply because they did not build other parallel road routes. One key strategy of traffic management, whether in reality or fiction, is having redundancy in a network...not to rely on one intersection or road to manage traffic access to an area.
Roundabouts work in certain design situations, but they are not a “solve all problems” solution. Back to back roundabouts or even signalled intersections without proper road distance in between is another traffic congestion generator. Its called “access management” in civil engineering, which is my real world industry.
I think that most people start playing the game, with limited amount of cash and locked upgrades and just build stuff as they can until they realize it doesn't work and now they need even more cash to solve the problems, just to create other problems down the line. Or just start a new city, over and over.
You CANNOT plan ahead unless you've played the game for dozens of hours or read/watched a bunch of guides. But if a guide just tells you what to do, what's the point of actually playing the game ?
On top of that you need to know which mods to install because the base game is lacking a lot of options.
J B Compare the age and budgets of the cities around you against the age of cities in a game where the players can have unlimited money. Toss in that you can’t just delete and rebuild entire intersections and roads in a few seconds. Now, shove that reality up your rear and see if you can actually form an opinion that doesn’t come from obvious ignorance.
4:47
“Fortunately, I don’t have that many roundabouts.”
WHO ARE YOU, AND WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH THE REAL BIFFA??
12:57 It's not a bug, it's a feature! Nothing says magic like spinning cars and going the-wrong-way-but-its-actually-the-right-way. :)
Biffa: Everyone who comes in to this city is paying us back...
Me: Is this a city in Norway? Almost every big city in Norway has toll-roads.. Oslo, Trondheim, Bergen, Stavanger and Kristiansand as I know about have toll-road in to the city :P
I haven't played this game in a very long time, but watching you mess with it is just very interesting. I don't know why.
"So I add tolls to generate money, but it have a smal negative effect, so lets remove the negative so it only gives positive effects that is balanced" - Biffa
@@debuskjt208 if you've ever been to an actual road toll it's pretty realistic
A note about speed limits on the toll roads: here in Oklahoma (USA) we have little sensors that is placed just below the rear-view mirror on the windshields. There are scanners placed above the lanes with a wide angle lens, so they can scan cars as they pass in our automated toll roads. So, no need to slow down at all. Traffic flow is much, much better and cars can maintain speed. The only time a car has to slow or stop is when they pay cash, and those have a exit/on ramp to an area off to the side of the main roadway. Needless to say that is not often used, but is a feature of toll roads here.
Magic Roundabout: Looks nice, a bit more for the intermediate and advance Cities Skylines player. However, after watching you use this, I can see myself placing and setting it up nicely! Thanks for the mini-tutorial in game! Also, it looks like the center of a spider web! :) Very happy with this segment of the video.
Also, a side note about trains, I was looking around on UA-cam, and noted another player using the landscaping tool to "sink" tracks a tiny bit, so that the road going over is at one level, and the tracks are not underground. Would you ever use this technique in your city for train tracks or even roads? It is a realistic feature of cities in the US, not sure of other countries. Just a thought, and though you do have a very unique play style (which I do love!) this would also add some variety to the look of your city.
Christine Murphy - I use terrain editing all the time to fine tune grading design for road and rail crossings. Hardest thing to edit is tunnels that afe changing grade inside hills or mountains, as by default, gradeline wants to follow parallel to surface. Building a spiral road inside a hill or mountain is hard. In one city, I have some underground freeways and interchanges. Unfortunately I do not yet have a video camera or know how to do videos like ones used for these city tutorials.
@@battlestar79 This player just lowered the terrain a bit, added the train tracks and then put the road over the train tracks. I know it is used a bit in the city I live in, and in the rural areas, they don't use concrete on the sides, but in the cities they do. It's not quite a tunnel, but is still requires a bridge.
Use programs like OBS (Open Broadcast Software), which is free to use. You can also use it to stream with (both Twitch and UA-cam).
that thing would be a death trap in real life
It's not actually that bad!
Apparently the real one in Swindon actually works really well and has been doing so for like 6 decades.
@@jakej9108 Not quite. From Wikipedia: "In 2005, it was voted the worst roundabout in a survey of the general public by a UK insurance company.[6] In September 2007, the Magic Roundabout was named as one of the world's worst junctions by a UK motoring magazine.[7] In December 2007, BBC News reported a survey identifying The Magic Roundabout as one of the "10 Scariest Junctions in the United Kingdom";[8] however, the roundabout provides a better throughput of traffic than other designs and has an excellent safety record, since traffic moves too slowly to do serious damage in the event of a collision.[9]"
@@tommihaapanen846 So people don't like it, but it works well?
@@defeqel6537 more or less that. Although, I'dd imagine it has a lot of non fatal accidents.
7:12 That roundabout really triggers my OCD to the extreme. Someone spend time making this, but the lazy bastard, couldn't be arsed to make sure that there is equal spacing between all 5 roads.
It's a replica of the real Swindon magic roundabout, love
That doesn't make it right!
4:48 "My city doesn't have that many roundabouts…."
I have like zero in my city
Yank?
Love your videos, always struggle designing my city been playing for a few years now playing with the industries, but struggle to get a decent layout
Thanks, just keep practicing and you'll get there :-)
Anyone else notice that no-one was using the slip lanes on the roundabout?
Those cars where like roundabout dyslexic.
4:54 -- "Fortunately, I don't have that many roundabouts" LOL
Great video, Biffa - always providing helpful tips! Unfortunately, I am still struggling when planning my own city...
I will never understand why such a complicated abomination like the magic roundabout needed to come into existence. Lol
Because it copes much better with right turns than a regular roundabout (UK, so all the way around the roundabout). If you have a route of heavy traffic that mostly goes all the way around a roundabout then that can cause very long waits to traffic from other directions, because inflow is never going to be interrupted. By diverting right turning traffic away from the rest of the roundabout other directions are guaranteed to be able to get into the junction, balancing the flow.
It sounds like a fairly obscure case, but if you have a large commercial area one way and a large residential area in an adjacent direction it will happen in either the morning or the evening.
Binged your city fixing while playing the game...
I started playing last sunday early morning hours, I already have 81 hours in the game. (Yes life is a foreign concept to me)
My city is only little over 50k. And I have micromanaged the living crap out of it.
I've also made 10 million, but the last 30 hours it has just been going back and fourth between 8 million and 13 million.
I'd love to send my city for getting insight to everything that I'm doing wrong, cuz having this many hours and such a small city and barely making any money since the first expansion to it and being "afraid to expand" because it will cause more traffic, just can't be normal.
That magic roundabout is a disasterpiece
your freeway thing at 1:10 sorta looks like the freeway ramps where i live, they are really good at handling traffic but the ramps irl are longer (cords if ya want to see it 42.2777433,-83.2173222 )
SPOILER ALERT! Great channel Biffa, and well done to the person that re-created the Swindon Magic Runabout. It must have taken a lot of work. Also it looks great in Biffa's City-scape. (DON"T READ THE NEXT BIT!)
It IS a bit late. BUT! my OCD keeps kicking in badly. I used to Live near Swindon and drive though those roundabouts often. I noticed a slight error in this design. The outer extreme 3rd anti clockwise lane is suppose to be the footpath/sidewalk. Instead of 2 lanes and the single going anticlockwise (outer ring). The 3 lanes are together. Easy mistake.
If you view The SMR in Goggle Maps. Use satellite view and zoom in, At first glance it is great copy. (In a reverse direction which is even harder.) Count the lanes Also go to street view. Look to the outside edge. The 3rd 'lane' is not a road. It is for pedestrians. (Looks like a road).
This doesn't really change anything. It still a 6 lane roundabout. This one might even be better.
SORRY! This has bugged me for ages but I didn't want to spoil it for everyone. I hope no one sees this. But at least now I have 'confessed!'
Have a great day:)
Quick Question: 2:42 when inserting the toll roads, what did you hold to rotate the roads? Pretty basic question but I just started playing. Thank you.
Middle mousebutton if i don't remember wrong haven't played recently.
@@Wezqu yeah middle mouse button
A new trend is to reduce cars in cities. Here in Nice, France they just deleted a dedicated bus lane in major streets. leaving only one lane shared between emergency, bus, cars (bonkers) but on the side there is a nice garden with a zigzaging cycle lane. All that is bracketed by a tramway that is going underground, not all the way but mostly. Is it possible in simulation to really draw down cars trafic, and make more pedestrian, more bike, more bus more tramway viable ?? (in Nice their thing looks crazy because busses have trouble turning now with those reduced intersections, but we all know that real life sucks while simulations rocks !!)
I'm curious how bad this works without traffic management
If its anything like it's real world counterpart traffic will nosedive.
What about when you get to 500,000 people? Toll booth speed? 200 mph! Watch all the blown engines! Hahaha That tower looks like the staircase leading to the observation deck at COTA!
Is using real life logic in cities skylines a good thing
For example, I don’t build as many roads as the traffic would be worse due to encouragement to get people in their cars
Is this okay?
Swindon?? pah. Hemel Hempstead FTW!
That too! :-)
Ny or uk?
@@danthiel8623 The place in New York is called "Hempstead" (no Hemel) after settlers from Hemel. I doubt it's got a magic roundabout too.
Changing to TMPE labs should not have done that to your traffic... only if you still had both subscribed, but only one enabled does that happen. If that is not what you have done, The TMPE team would like to know about it.
00:25 ... I heard "if you're nude, don't forget to subscribe".
Well alrighty! I'm already subscribed, but I never ignore a chance to get nude!!
0:15 anyone else see that car just decide to go offroad?
If you want a real challenge try to recreate Dallas Fort Worth metroplex otherwise known as "DFW" as "TeaFW"...just sayin'
Why would you use the toll policy and then keep the speed at 20, i'd set it the same as the highway speed.
Its my experience (albeit limited) that tolls make little to no money at all, its not worth the hassle.
The road-about doesn't look very good, it could use some aligning etc. As for the arrows in the wrong direction, there may be 2 nodes on top of each other ?
Still no name for the Universitea. The students need clarity Biffa! THINK OF THE STUDENTS
Kinda logical why the winner runabout goes the other way, that makes it so effective cause you can take the closest way.
If you come to it, and should turn left, you simply take the inner runabout and are out, if you should go right, you take the outer runabout.
Biffa builds parks to charge people to walk to work, he puts tollbooths with max fees at all the highway entrances and exits to the city, wow. "will you make us laugh, will you make us cry? Will you tell us when to live, will you tell us when to die?"
Am I the only one thinking of all the accidents that would happen on that thing in real life? People have enough trouble driving down a straight street, that is chaos lol.
Those mini-roundabouts should actually be treated as roundabouts. All the roads joining onto them should giveaway, also those larger circles.
@ Biffa: You should team up with with cities skylines to create a mod that automatically sets up round about lane management. That would be awesome!
Ohhhh. You're one of those people who *actually takes the time to manage traffic properly*. I just yeet roads wherever I feel like.
Regarding 4:00 I once made a Toll loop whereby they had to go through the toll 4 times by using lane management to slowly move them through each lane-booth until they had passed through all 4 and the last one exited onwards. My wife said it was super mean but I thought it was an epic way to generate money.
The magic roundabout is more scary first time you drive on it (I had my first test on it, and failed…!) but it does work.
A walking path to this tower in the roundabout would be useful. Your citizens could climb up there. A new tourist spot.
The arrow isn't because you have right hand traffic and the roundabout may have been built based on left hand traffic for Swindon?
Hey, can anyone tell me in which mod you can have 4lan 2 way highways? searching for that through the mods and can't find the correct one, anyone can help?
Maybe I'm looking at something wrong, but isn't Biffa LOSING money?
I doubt this would work irl.
If I was driving there I would have nk clue what to do
4:48 "Fortunately I don't have that many roundabouts."
The lie detector determined that that was a lie.
Uhm I am finding my way in Skylines, but I am kinda overloaded in installing mods. Could you do a vid guiding me to the good mods and how to bloody install them?
Please explain it to me like I am a young child ... or a Golden Retriever...
- Go to Steam Workshop for Cities Skylines (steamcommunity.com/app/255710/workshop/)
- Find the mod you want and click "Subscribe"
- Get into the Mods section of the game and activate it (and change its settings if needed)
Some important mods:
Traffic Manager President Edition
Move it!
More mods:
Roundabout Builder
Parallel Roads (a bit buggy I'd say, but sometimes worth trying)
Network Extensions 2 (additional roads)
SimpleClock (You _will_ lose track of time and the game doesn't originally have an ingame clock???)
Fine Road Tool / Fine Road Anarchy (two mods)
Prop Precision / Prop Snapping / Prop & Tree Anarchy (three mods)
There are plenty more of course, that's just a few suggestions.
But be careful it can cause the game to run into a error if the mod is too old or you have mods conflicting with each other..
Those wonky sliplanes really bug me. Can't you make them into nice, clean curves?
Biffa you need to do a Hamburger Roundabout or (Throughabouts) as i think they are known.
I would have liked to see this roundabout experience some real action. There just were not enough vehicles on the road.