The Avatar Remake Doesn't Understand Avatar
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- Опубліковано 24 лют 2024
- The Netflix live-action adaptation of Avatar: The Last Airbender seems to completely misunderstand the themes of the original animated series.
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"I treated you like a girl when I should've treated you like a warrior" was a fascinating line from Sokka, cause it expressed that Sokka's worldviews weren't just instantly flipped after he gained respect for the Kyoshi warriors.
Instead they used the training scene to flirt!!! I was so disgusted by the switch.
And Suki’s response “I am a warrior AND I am a girl” is 👌
Instead, for the kyoshi episode, it's role reversal and it's feminist bs and misunderstanding. I thought it was fine since it was a balanced twist between sexism.
@@SpaceBiscuits That's what left it clear for Sokka. Even with all the training he could have possibly considered that his point of view was already clear, that Warrior and Women weren't opposite concepts but her response told him that they aren't exclusive between each other as well. We are who we are and both can perfectly be warriors if they are determined yet it's important to never lose yourself in your way to become a warrior but take the best of what you have learned.
I'm telling you. This message wasn't an issue at all for kids when they grew up but apparently it is for kids now accordingly to Netflix. It kinda feels like an insult for the intelligence of the kids who won't try and watch the original show and an insult to the source material like if it wasn't able to delivery any good development of a sexist boy into a wise man who knows that value of patience and the strength within men and women as well.
@@noctarem96 remember the episode in the animation where Katara and Toph were really ticked off at each other, and Katara said to her "the stars sure are beautiful tonight.. too bad you can't see them Toph!"
You can bet that line or anything like it will not be in the show. At this point it would be out of character if they did include it, cause Netflix took out pretty much all of Katara's iconic temper. The new version is not a character who's journey I'm interested in at all, she's just already too mature too well-adjusted for compelling character development.
The main issue of the remake is that they have absolutely zero concept of subtlety or subtext.
That is why he is given that obnoxious monolog before he does *not* run away, where he tells us stuff about his character that the show weirdly fails to show any proof for.
Most annoyingly they wanted to show off their CGI and ruined the character introduction: instead of showing us him playing air ball or goofing around or even eating cake, we are instead told that he likes be by himself and show off his advanced skills.
Way too much exposition in the live action show. They don't trust the audience to infer things from character action
@@leigh-anjohnson the problem is that exposition is not "characters speak about things that happen"; it is not even just "characters talk about the world/events/relations that will be rlevant to understand the action"; exposition can also be a family picture that infers family ties;
the criticism "too much exposition" is usually wrong, because you cannot tell the audience too much about the setting; and the people who exclaim it usually mean dialog that isn't even there to set anything up (which is the effing function in the effing definition of exposition)
the dialog usually refered when saying "to much exposition" to is dialog that is not used for exposition but used to replace action that should be on screen
@@michaelklaus 😂
They do not understand the characters they are working with.
Ironically removing Sokkas sexism is more perversely sexist by making Suki just fall for him as the dashing, exotic, male knight in shining armor.
I agree. It makes her own position of power feel pointless and I threatening.
I agree, it makes Suki's own position of power feel pointless and unthreatening.
Not many are talking about how fucking patronizing and inconsiderate this version of Katara sounds. Every time she opens her mouth is to say "everything is fine, Aang" or "stop being sad, Aang" or "at least you're strong , Aang" and I'm always screaming KATARA READ THE ROOM
Strongly agree.
Yes, I went in really trying to give the netflix adaptation a fair go but Katara being so... expressionless and condescending while trying to hit the same speeches was jarring. I've seen other comments about poor acting and others being derisive about live action expressions never being able to physically match that of the original - which is fair because of the different mediums - but your comment really hit the nail on the head, this Katara is a poor imitation of the original
She sounds like Mom Katara, which is something they touch on in the cartoon. She’s annoying with it in the cartoon as well, but nostalgia erases some of that. Maybe they’ll touch on that some more in Season 2.
Literally all she does is patronize people. Jet, Aang, Sokka, everyone. It's so annoying. And yet when it actually matters, she just bows her head and tolerates being reprimanded. They got her character wrong in just about every single way.
The part where she says that the best part about losing everything is that you become stronger was legit insane, amazing how much they messed up that sequence at the southern air temple
Sokka not wearing the traditional Kyoshi Warrior armor was an insult to the original. Almost as insulting as Bumi being mad at Aang for abandonment and trying to kill him.
I can't believe how they butchered Bumi.
I’m glad I’m not the only one upset over the change to Bumi. I could deal with smashing together Jet/Inventor plots into Omashu (although some changes there are baffling too) but to make Bumi pissed at Aang is just such an odd choice
God, I was so mad at the way they rewrote Bumi being a "mad genius" into Bumi being mad at Aang.
Bumi *WHAT ??*
HE W H A T
I wish they'd understood that you can have a sexist character without endorsing sexism in the narrative, and in fact having that character be confronted in the narrative is a way more meaningful method of confronting sexism itself than just not mentioning it at all and pretending it doesn't exist.
Sokka has the perfect feminist arc. Mike and Bryan trusted their primarily child audience to understand and learn from this and it worked. I dont know how the new show creators could see that and miss the opportunity to do the same
Far left brain rot
@@ATLA99simple, really... the people making the decisions don't trust their audience whatsoever
@@ScatterBrainedYouBetterFollow Projection.
Bro that’s not fair they deleted my original comment how am I supposed to defend myself
I'm pretty disappointed they altered the Kyoshi Island narrative. "I am a warrior, but I'm also a girl" remains one of the most powerful and validating lines I've heard on discovering what it means to be a woman.
My boyfriend saw the marketing angle right away. I complained and he pointed out "they're playing it safe."
Then they shouldn’t have made it at all!
"Playing it safe" is what 90% of netflixs productions are good at.
Its seriously insane how often they treat audiences like theyre stupid
"they're playing it safe"
Don't flatter them, they were never even a player.
@@rowansjet lol true
With the way Netflix did the live action avatar remake, they would have been better off axing the remake idea and just making an anthology series set in the avatar world. Could've even used the always unreliable Ember Island Players as like our narrative vehicle for telling these stories. This way the writers aren't completely bound by the original avatar storyline. At which point the writers can just pick and choose the series greatest hits in terms of episodes and any inconsistences can be chalked up to an unreliable narrator. Making an anthology series i think would also allow for each episode to breath, so your not crunching 3 episodes into one.
Aang just "going on a stroll" instead of running away was the biggest insult. It's so dumb and takes away a LOT from Aang's growth, without any reason for that change
He didn't just go on a stroll, he did literally run away???
@@SLYKMNo, he was like "Appa, this is too much man. Let's go clear our heads" And then in the storm he's like "damn, what a storm, let's turn around and go back" and then they get frozen
@@SLYKMin the remake, instead of just running away, he went on a short flight to clear his head. That's pretty much a stroll 💀
@@SLYKMAang straight up ran away in the original animated show. In the live action show he was just going for a flight to think and clear his head. He was heading back home when he and Appa got caught by the storm. So yeah, he was just out for a stroll
Can’t have our main character have any flaws, it would make them unlikable if they have any!
There’s a reason what atla is still regarded as one of the best cartoons of a generation, even after almost 20 years. Animation deserves more respect and let’s be honest, we should be begging for live action shows to have an animated adaptation.
Or books getting an animated adaptation too!
Could you imagine animated shit like mission impossible, or oceans 11?
That would be pretty wild.
Oh damn it's been that long T_T. I remember watching this on TV as it came out lol.
Right? My first thought when I saw this newest iteration of live action ATLA was...why?? The reasons people love that show don't translate to live action.
Unironically true.
Imagine an animated Song of Ice and Fire adaptation
So, in an attempt to make the live-action remake Less sexist by removing Sokka's Explicit sexism they basically jump off the Implicit sexism tree and hit all the branches on the way down?
They took all of Sokka's sexism and gave it to the writers instead
"Sokka? Sexist? Oh, good heavens... we could never!!! 🙅♂Come, gentlemen. Let us make the entire episode sexist."
And they ironically made suki a creep by creeping on sokka for his body like that’s okay? But sokka being humbled for being sexist isn’t okay?
It’s not an remake tho Lmfo it’s not even call book or water just seasons
@@x97k8would live action adaptation be better for you?
As a young girl the anti sexist messages in ATLA meant so much to me. Schools are filled with boys making casually sexist remarks, it’s ingrained so early what girls are supposed to be. I felt so seen by this show when it came out.
Seeing Sokka repeat the stuff I heard from the boys around me and get punished was satisfying. Katara’s rage over being excluded because of her gender was relatable. Toph being a girl my age who’s a badass was a power fantasy I’d never seen. It’s such a shame these themes are getting cut for the next generation.
I wonder how many young people actually watch the live action of their own accord. Because if they get introduced to ATLA, then I'm confident the older community is going to introduce them to the proper version.
Did you watch the adaption? Sexism still exists with the pakku vs katara storyline.
Filled with jerks? Oh man, your school sucks. Other schools have a wide range of personalities and jerks will always be there. Wonder how it came to be? Tunnel vision? Circles and exclusion? Are there normal boys there? Do you notice them? Do you crave to be in the "in" crowd? So sorry for your perception of your school and hope you can realise the world after school will be lonelier and harder to bare if you don't see the light now. IDK, just wondering. Don't rely on social media/trends or entertainment for gratification, you will miss the cool friends you could have. From a hut in Zambia
As a guy who was 12 when I watched the original, I am saddened to hear the changes they've made in this live action. I was apprehensively hopeful this show would be good. But removing Sokka's primary character flaw and the source of his entire growth throughout the first season is not a good sign. I doubt I'll actually ever watch it.
@@noodlekeeper5150No point commenting then, you've made your opinions from watching youtube vids and angry reviews instead of actually making your own judgment. Yes all 8 episodes are terrible because sokka isn't sexist in one of them. Get a grip
Removing Sokka's sexism arc for being "too sexist" would be like removing anything to do with black people from To Kill a Mockingbird because its "too racist." It defeats the entire message of the story to begin with.
Yes ATLA main story is about being sexist. What are you even saying anymore
@@pepsipwns666 Of course saying that it all is about sexism is wrong but part of Sokka's character arc is indeed about sexism.
@@pepsipwns666
Well no it would be "Soccas arc is about sexism" as they explicitly stated and that is indeed a big part of it. Don't misrepresent people.
@@pepsipwns666 I think you misunderstood, on the scale of "Sokka's Sexism Arc" removing his sexism would be the same as removing black people from "To Kill a Mockingbird". Because Sokka's sexism arc, not the entire ATLA show is about Sokka's sexism, while To Kill a Mockingbird is about Black struggle and the trial of Tom Robinson.
LMAO THAT'S SO TRUE.
I say this as a die-hard Superman fan; the second a storyteller starts talking about how important power is, I instantly lose interest in hearing their story.
Makes sense. A large part of Superman's story is about what you *do* with power being the important part.
Keeping with the comic book theme. Considering how many different iterations we've had of Uncle Ben and now an Aunt May, tell us "With great power; comes great responsibility", it's shocking how many people clearly zoned out after the "with great power" part lmao.
🤦🏾♀️They took an episode that taught a boy that cockiness and toxic masculinity wasn’t a good path to take if he wanted grow into an honorable man and great warrior, and twisted it to say “hey kid you stop being a little sissy and man up”.
Sokka’s over confidence and sexism was a purposeful character flaw that the entire 1st book spends dealing with, Book 1 Water literally opens with a cocky Sokka undervaluing his sister and her magic water and it ends with a broken Sokka morning, the loss of a girl he loved who died to preserve water bending. The only thing more full circle that that was the moon Yue turned into.
I get irrationally angry every time I think about this show now.
100%. Plus, what the OG show did so well is show how that early positive growth shaped who they were and how they moved forward. Sokka got taught on his sexism and learned about humility at the same time. If not for that early development, he might have never convinced Piandao to teach him swordsmanship.
@merulaamethyst2248 when was Iroh ever sexist? The only thing I can think of is his attraction to June, but I dont think there's anything sexist about that, he was just being kinda creepy
@@Dell-ol6hbI was expecting Iroh to be a creep to June but after the Kyoshi island episode I should not have been shocked that Iroh didn't flirt at all and June did all the flirting. Just sitting there thinking uhhhhh this is backwards.
That constantly remained as a full moon from then on! 🤣
Everything bad about the early avatar episodes becomes great character growth when the characters stop acting in ways you don't like
Something I thought the original did really well was depicting how history gets muddied. The exact events leading up to the air nomad genocide were blurry and not depicted because there's no one left who witnessed it. Katara's narration suggested that the attack was a sudden, singular event, but she also said "the four nations lived in harmony." Both statements are proven through previous Avatars' flashbacks to be untrue - she was describing a very simplified, mythic history that she was removed from by multiple generations.
Exactly. The details are contradictory even though the narrative isn't, so we can see a traumatic historical event through the lens of legend.
plus how the fire nation just straight up changed history by lying about what actually happened, as shown in the headband episode where aang had to correct the school by saying, "the air nomads didnt have an army. they were killed by ambush."
most people didnt know what truly happened with the air nomad genocide, and in that sense, aang was living history. the only window into what the air nomads were truly like. bit annoying how that didnt seem explored at all in this, but hey, what do i know. its not like aang being the last airbender is _important_ or directly mentioned in the title of the damn show or anything.
I think there's a case to be made that Aang was genuinely complimenting Sokka when he said "nice dress" and that it's only Sokka who interpreted it as mocking/something to be (temporarily) embarrassed by.
Aang was perfectly willing to wear Kyoshi's clothes and fight with her fans. I bet he was being genuine
Suki evidently thought it was a compliment, she looked quite smug
The way I interpret it is a friend playing another friend by making a joke he knows will get a reaction out of him. It doesn't say anything to what Aang actually thinks about wearing women's clothing though I'd be more inclined to say he doesn't really care either way.
yeah I noticed that on second watch through. I think it says a lot about how the Air Nomads viewed dresses and gender in their culture if kids normally compliment dudes wearing dresses and that seems kind of really cool for the worldbuilding
The tone of the scene is completly comedical. So I either the editor didnt get the memo or that was the intention all along
What upsets me the most about the Avatar remake is that despite the DECADES worth of evidence to the contrary, American pop culture still views animation as "silly kids stuff", only ever acknowledging animation can be more if it's an "adult" animated sitcom. They say they prefer something that is "actually in front of a camera on a set", unaware that James Cameron didn't actually find a planet with 9ft tall blue catlike aliens, or that Tom, Andrew, and Toby can't actually shoot webbing from their wrists.
I've got nothing against CGI, but its prevalence in live-action films now just makes me more bitter about "best animated picture" having been separated from "best picture." It's not cut and dry anymore, but full cartoons are still treated as the outgroup
There will always be people who won't watch something because it's animated. That is just a sad fact. Nothing will change that. That's why if you make a live action adaptation it's better if it's fans of the original who will respect the original. And make it work in the new medium.
Those certain Avatar Fans: if this leads to a Korra remake, I’ll keep supporting it
Also, compare this to James Cameron's Alita Battle Angel. He took the manga so seriously that he waited 20 years before making it because he wanted to make sure he could honour the original.
He even released Dark Angel and Avatar first to prove the concept and technology was ready
Funnily enough you actually could stick a device that shoots webs onto your wrists in the real world but that's from silly comic books for babies.
Roku wasnt a pacifist. He just couldnt go agaisnt his BFF. Well, he could, but he couldnt think his BFF could go agaisnt him in such a devious way. Roku's story is of being betrayed
Yep
Came here to say this. Roku single-handedly deterred the Fire-Nation by his mere existence and clearly stated stance. Easily disabled Sozin and said "don't challenge me" and Sozin never did. The fire-nation waited until a natural disaster claimed Roku to attack while the avatar was being reborn.
Heck, Roku had been dead for over a DECADE by the time Sozin actually puts his plan into action. He was horrified by Sozin's plan.
Yeah he wasn't a pacifist, but by his own admittance he was blind to Sozin's intentions, and that blindness stemmed from his trust in Sozin, so he didn't respond as strongly when he wished he had. Still not using his power as the avatar, but not because of pacifism
roku was already dead when sozin started the war. roku literally said “if you do anything stupid, i’d have no problem ending your life” to sozin when they were younger
Just as a side note, they also completely glossed over the environmentalist theme in the episode where they utterly misunderstood the spirit world just to have Aang go on a side quest to save his friends from Koh. It's not like that messaging would have been highly important to our current situation and is more generally just something good for kids to learn.
Oh don't get me started on how they take a moment to say Hei Bai is in pain 😭and then just say oh well. Like if you didn't want to deal with Hei Bai's story why include him at all?
they destroyed my boy hei bai's story
btw not "just" environmentalism, it's a story that shows pretty much the kind of person and avatar that aang is. It's about hope
Yup. I was super disappointed when they just showed Hei Bai for a cameo and then just abandoned him to be alone in his rage.
this series isnt for children
@@ember9361ok so how does changing the plot from being about the destruction humans inflict on the environment and the spiritual hurt Aang gets from that into "he's just an angry beast, bury an acorn and forget about it" make it more adult or mature?
Literally the inciting incident for the entire show is Katara losing her temper at Sokka for being sexist. She gets mad, that triggers her water bending, which cracks Aang out of the orb.
They don't just stumble upon him. Their actions lead to the orb being unearthed.
they’re scared of making katara emotional because we’re told you can’t make women emotional, it’s sexist, because it makes them look weak. whereas, katara is a waterbender, literally gets power from the phases of the moon. waterbenders are emotional and feminine in nature, including the male ones, but they mature to control it like mature women do, which would look like yue, who is early-mature given that she is literally part moon spirit.
in the original, katara is very emotional, has a quick temper, gets sad and cries, carries revenge seething in her for a long time, but she always retains self awareness and that makes her not weak. it’s not the emotions that make you weak, and saying that it is, is more sexist than writing female/feminine characters as emotional. katara has to start emotional, so that we can see her grow to acquire emotional experience and control later on, when she overcomes her thirst for vengeance, when she rejects the temptation of bloodbending, and becomes a master waterbender with high emotional regulation and calmness at the end, when she defeats another emotional female with extremely poor emotional regulation.
Would’ve been funny if because Sokka wasn’t sexist, Katara never got mad and Aang was never freed from the ice lol. That’s one angle for the adaptation
@@nurainiarsad7395damn, you articulated that so beautifully! I agree 100%. We need to allow characters to be flawed so they can grow. It's really empowering to be able to identify with a character who shares your shortcomings and see them improve themselves.
Sokka was the *REAL* hero, if you think about it, I mean Aang would have been frozen if it wasn’t for him.
for being a kids show avatar is deep af, a 12yo sole surviver of a genocide struggling to decide whether he should murder a tyrant, while experiencing major spiritual awakenings
Dude, so true. Peace and love to you!
This is such a good summary
Also more mature and adult than what it seems sex drug and violence doesn't make it more mature and more adult jist because you have them
I watched ATLA as an adult. I thought for a child’s show it was very good.
That being said it was too silly and needed an update.
@@majorlazor5058 You opinion is bad and you should feel bad. The Netflix adaptton is not very grown up at all.
"To win you just have to be the one who punches the hardest" is a sad message, especially coming from Avatar: The Last Airbender.
Don't worry the animated series will out live that message. After this series ends nobody will go back to it as a classic. The animated series is a classic and people will keep going back and watching it. I was 10 when I watched it now I'm watching it with my daughter. ❤
@@Danie_pixiethis live action adaptation probably won't even get finished. It will get canned hopefully.
@@chrisj320ac3 And they'll try again in 10 years.
@@nightmareTomek Yeah xD, they'll bring M. Night back, this time surely it will work!
It’s a message from a woman raised to be a warrior. Didn’t come across as a lesson from the show to the audience. Aang’s passivism and optimism seems to be far more prominent a message.
Your analysis helped me realize something I hadn’t picked up on in the animated series: why the Avatar State is so frightening for Aang. Being in the Avatar State is the distillation of his power in its rawest and most destructive form. It’s the point at which he comes closest to the Fire Nation’s ideology that Might Makes Right.
When he enters the state, he’s using a tool that feels like it was made for his ideological enemy. For a pacifist and a diplomat, that’s terrifying.
That is one of the reasons I love his character. For most people, the avatar state would have been a glorious gift. But to him, he wanted nothing of it because of the danger it implicated. And the fear of not being able to control himself while in that state, not knowing who he's going to hurt, was enough to make him not want to even use it ever again (since I think he accidentally hurt Katara one time in that state). He was still a kid in so many ways, but that perspective of his made him wise.
That's why "The Avatar State", the first episode of Book 2: Earth, is so important. It's when that Earth Kingdom general tried to control Aang's powers to be used a superweapon against the Fire Nation without having to master all 4 elements. It's one of the most challenging and character-defining moments for Aang, as a pacifist air bender who stands against the Fire Lord's ideology.
i love that atla always treated the avatar state as something sad, a tragedy. the emphasis on how much a role like being the avatar would seriously fuck up a kid makes it really stand out amongst all the other "child hero" stories from my own childhood, and its something i really appreciate, as someone older. something i dont think i wouldve picked up on if id have watched this as a kid.
Incredible how the drawn characters in the animated series feel and talk 10 million times more human than the human-played characters in the show. Especially The Gaang.
This emphasis on physical strength also completely contradicts the Taoist and Buddhist philosophical roots of the show. Sad, really.
Does anyone else find the dialogue in this live action COMPLETELY UNSUFFERABLE????? All of the characters are boring as hell and all of the dialogue is just explaining things rather than showing us.
Omg yes, that clip of Aang from the Netflix version where he's like "I'm scared of my powers! I'm scared of being alone!" immediately made me think of that line from Futurama: "What's this? You can't just have your characters announce how they feel! That makes me feel ANGRY!"
I'm like, stop talking already. I'm tired of hearing you folks jibber jabber with all that exposition. 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@manniking233 They equipped the writing techniques of jibber-jabbering, yapping and yammering really well 😂
@@Cantbearsed447did you not watch the video? This whole video is about how it being watered down and playing it safe is bad.
@@Cantbearsed447 I'm sorry but I don't really understand what you mean by that.
"Sokka was sexist but got the ladies" Yeah, after learning that his culturally ingrained sexism was wrong & respected the ladies he "got"
Well, we must admit Suki fell for him when he hadn't even understand that women don't stop being women just because they're warriors. So these critics do have a point. In comparison to other male characters of the show (except from Paku), he is the one who needed more inner work on how to treat women. Aang and Zuko never neeeded any lecture about that. Plus, Sokka only starts to change when his love interests push him to reavaliate his behavior and beliefs. The complains and explanations of his sister don't have any effect on him. Again, some critics do have a point.
@@analuizadefigueiredosouza7851 I mean it would be weird that the sister who he grew up with would change his mind on these dynamics.
How would it make sense for him to be sexist growing up around her (get no influence over those years) but then her influence starts working later?
To me it fit perfectly for him to learn & change from meeting more ppl contradicting his initial bad beliefs
@@analuizadefigueiredosouza7851But she only fell for him AFTER he apologized for how he acted and asked her to train him
@@yugoxgc Exactly. Speaking as a former "kid sister": older brothers NEVER LISTEN. Katara could've been *me*, or my older sister (who would've rocked her hair loopies) -- being annoyed and/or losing my shit w/my older bro if he were acting like Sokka pre-Kyoshi Island: a good egg overall that I love, but painfully-flawed and aggravating.
>Removes sexism
>Added misogyny
I kek
I hate that Zuko's scar looks like it could be cured with Polysporin. The scar is *supposed* to be ugly. It is supposed to be a deep mark of shame that is more than just slightly red skin (he has no eyebrow and his eyelid is narrowed from the scar in the animated version). It could be a bloody birthmark with how it looks.
Something I said as soon as I saw it. I mean, it had only been 3 years and that was a baaaad burn. That "scar" looked like it could be covered with good make up. It had little to no texture.
even his ear on the side is mildly disfigured
So you would prefer they subjected a young man to more brutal makeup chair time? Think about what you’re asking for. He’s in so many scenes.
@@calvinjohnson6242 @calvinjohnson6242 I'm not suggesting anything unreasonable. The scar looks the way it does so Zuko can stay handsome. I do SFX makeup regularly for cosplay and theatre. I can do better in 30 minutes using glue and kleenex. And I'm sure that the producers have better access to makeup than I do (I'm sure they have amazing prosthetics). Zuko's cuts post explosion clearly took the same amount (if not more) time in the makeup chair than his scar, and they're significantly more convincing.
@johnson6242That's what you sign up for when you do this kinda work, bucko. I'm sure he would've also been fine with an exhausting make-up setup if it meant the actual point of that make-up got across to the audience.
a lot of modern writers think viewers don’t want to consume content that has any -ism or -phobic characters/topics but its actually perfectly fine as long as those characters either change and/or face consequences. perfect people don’t exist even in this decade
EXACTLY, it’s so frustrating.
I disagree. I think it's perfectly fine if said -phobic or -ism characters do not change or experience consequences, so long as they're part of a plot that highlights their imperfections and/or provides commentary about the problematic nature of the characters and the setting. Even in this decade, "bad" people don't always get what's coming to them, unfortunately. The real problem arises when the writer attempts to justify or promote the hateful behaviour a character engages in.
It’s like yeah obviously don’t include the isms if you aren’t going to comment on them or challenge them in a meaningful way. But like Avatar is literally all about challenging those systems to create a better one. Wtf were they thinking? It’s like I’m watching someone’s awful middle school fanfiction.
Y'all still falling for this? It's pretty obvious they really didn't want Sokka crossdressing
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 Two things can be true at the same time
Can't believe what they did to my boi Bumi. This insane fun old man that taught Aang to look for strange solutions to strange problems, but also reminded Aang that there are still parts of the world he knew in this strange new time. I can't imagine Aang naming his first kid after this Bumi...
I think the biggest disservice to the live-action show is the low episode count. Most stories, especially ALTA, need room to breathe. We need longer seasons again for story and character development.
I know that in terms of screen time, the live-action was just as long as the OG. But like with space between the panels in comics, the space between episodes is important in television as well. I'm tired of these super short seasons where everything is just rushed, and the story is only half-baked.
With more episodes, this show could have been so much better.
honestly, it feels like so many shows wanna get the big plot beats out and done as quick as possible before they get canceled for tax writeoffs or because they're deemed "not successful enough"
as if everything needs to be as popular as GOT in its heyday by the 2nd episode 🙄
like, idk if more episodes would've improved my other personal complaints about the show - but it *certainly* would've given them more opportunity to flesh out their renditions of the characters and build chemistry
Well they put a bunch of season 2 into it. They could have done good sticking to the season one material which would already be hard to fit into 8 episodes but mixing season one and two into 8 episodes so a mess.
I think they hinted at the kids learning that violence and being the strongest isnt the answer, hinted that they'll learn that the old avatar's were flawed and could give bad advice just like anyone else. So agreed, if they hadn't smashed it into 8 episodes they may have done a better job. At least with some of it.
What’s interesting is that the overall runtime is only 15 mins less than the original first season. So they had time, just used it terribly.
@@aofbnerliubg they did make poor use of the time that they had, but like I said in my og comment, "But like with space between the panels in comics, the space between episodes is important in television as well."
The actual breaks in between episodes help a show breathe more, if that makes sense? It feels like a chapter in a book instead of a huge wall of text. This show needed to stop and take a breath more. With more episodes, there would have been more breaks to help it feel more settled I guess. Cramming this all into 8 episodes felt like a runaway train.
I sorely miss the 22-episode season format.
Seeing Sokka bitch and moan about needing to go back home the whole time really shows lack of awareness. Especially when played back to back with the original series Sokka already have a canoe packed to go find Aang before Katara was even done speaking. Like he was going to go save him with or without her. He knew how to maintain his responsibilities, while also doing what he knew was the right thing to do. These traites are lost on the new version
Sokka was the strategist and timekeeper of the group. He was the one who kept the group on task especially when he realized that they had a time limit. At some points it's like the show runners never watched the show.
I rewatched "Bato of the Water Tribe" yesterday. Sokka literally gives up on meeting his dad to support Aang because he knows that's where he'd be the most useful
even disregarding the original, katara literally said at the end of ep 1 they can't go home or zuko would attack their village to get aang again. sokka agreed to it there so I don't get why in ep 2 he was suddenly telling katara they need to go home. I get him maybe being apprehensive abt the idea of saving the world but it rlly felt like they just forgot what they wrote previously
@@tiablue9106So it's not enough they didn't watch the original show, they forgot entire lines from previous episodes of their own show? If this is what passes for a writing job these days maybe there's hope for me after all
@@makeitthrough_yup it baffled me katara didn't bring up the point she'd already made abt why they can't go back. sometimes it's not even in different eps, other examples of this show forgetting its own writing:
-claiming the badgermoles respond to mood / were trapping sokka and katara due to their fighting, but only having them attack after they'd stopped fighting and made up
-bumi lecturing aang on how he needs to stop goofing off and do his duty when all aang talked abt the whole time was his duty
-aang vowing to stop whoever's bombing omashu but never even confronting jet or being told abt katara stopping him, but suddenly saying he needs to leave omashu
-kyoshi and others scolding aang for running away from his duties and aang never refuting that he ran away, as in this version he just meant to go for a brief flight
-katara initially saying she wants the right to train under pakku but when she confronts pakku her motive switches to the right to fight the fire nation
-yue being able to waterbend even tho the moon spirit was killed (but tbf maybe she was the only one who could bc she's part spirit). also the weirdness of sokka being able to understand her in the spirit world even tho wan shi tong said only aang could understand spirits or smth
-never confirming that hei bai got uncorrupted / stopped kidnapping ppl
Another thing that the OG does so well is that it acknowledges that Sokka is physically stronger than Suki but Suki is far disciplined and her superior technique is what gets the better of Sokka. This is explained by Suki saying to Sokka that it isn’t about strength but using your opponent’s strength against them. It shows that discipline and training is superior to brute strength. It’s really good writing. Something which modern writers seem to be lacking. God this show was awful.
Right? Even when he gets his space sword she's still the only person to join team Avatar without ANY battle evo!
@@SelinaCatWe aren't there yet, buddy.
I agree but the "modern writers" jab is just doomerism. Makes you sound like the "blazing saddles couldn't be made today" crowd.
Honestly, thats a lesson even progressives need to understand, because too often people will concede this point to the right as if it were true. Women arent THAT massively weaker than men. Yes, men generally are stronger, but its neither a gigantic gap, nor is the gap insurmountible. A trained woman can defeat a trained man just fine, and its time we finally pushed that point home.
@@haselni yeah maybe you’re right. Maybe I’m taking this too personally because I honestly don’t wanna believe that the writers of the live action intentionally ruined it. It seems like they missed every little point of the original that made it one of the best shows ever created. It’s frustrating and I do see a lot of modern shows do the same thing. But that’s not to say that nothing good will ever be created but when big studios keep pushing these with huge budgets, despite the criticism it’s really worrying.
I actually heard an interesting observation with issues with writing before on a post about Hazbin Hotel that this series kinda reminded me of. It’s an issue where writers seem hesitant to allow characters to actually do genuinely unlikable or selfish things out of fear that the audience will no longer side with the character. For example, Aang in the adaptation does not run away from the Air nomads but rather just gets caught up in the storm while flying to clear his head a little. In the original, Aang makes an active choice to run away from his responsibilities as the Avatar and his doing so is what causes him to end up frozen for 100 years and leaving the world without the avatar for so long. It is a genuinely selfish decision, but it adds weight to why Aang is so distraught when he discovers his people have been massacred. Now he truly feels like he abandoned them and it becomes a factor in his learning to take his role as the avatar more seriously. This also was interestingly told around the same time Zuko’s backstory was revealed to us, and we get this interesting dynamic where Aang’s tragic backstory was the result of selfishness and Zuko’s backstory was the result of selflessness. That’s deprived from you when you refuse to allow Aang to actually make selfish decisions. But Aang is also a 12 year old child, him being afraid of such heavy burdens and instead wanting to enjoy his childhood is not unlikable. Sure, it may be kinda selfish, but it is a necessary character flaw that keeps his character interesting and gives us an actual arc to follow for him as he matures but still tries to retain his peaceful and innocent nature.
Sokka seems to be an even worse example. From the comedic and overconfident guy who was raised in a patriarchal society having to unlearn toxic masculinity to an overly confident guy who just is kinda insecure and has to learn to ‘man up’ is SUCH a drastic misunderstanding of the character. Same with Aang, feels like they just don’t want one of their main characters to act in a way that could be perceived as selfish or unlikable, hence why they took away his sexism and his overconfidence. But now you turn this very important arc with the kyoshi warriors where he humbled himself and actually learns to respect women as fellow warriors into Suki’s world being changed because she fell in love. Ironically, in an attempt to try and remove sexism from the show, they instead made one of the most iconic arcs of the show genuinely sexist.
So the lesson here is don’t be afraid to let your characters do bad things sometimes. As long as the motivations feel understandable and the characters face consequences and learn from them, they can still retain their likability. The alternative is having characters you really struggle to care about since they never feel like they truly have to overcome anything substantial
Well said 👏
I agree with you on your points about Aang. But i disagree with you about Sokka. The jokes in the original cartoon would often not have flowed well in live action.
And the biggest example is in the first episode.
In both version Sokka is tasked with protecting his village and supposedly is taking it very seriously.
Then when Zuko arrives at his tribe in the cartoon Sokka runs up.... and gets kicked a couple times and then doesnt appear anymore untill zuko is leaving. Yes it was a "ha ha" moment, but this guy is supposed to be the protector of his village and you dont see any of that. It takes away any view of him " stepping up for his tribe" he is not flawed, he straigt up just becomes a strategist later without really showing the viewer he has those qualities.
Meanwhile in the show he straights up prepares his village.
Is willing to sacrifice the Avatar as long as he can fulfill his father command of keeping his people safe.
And when his sister manages to convince him with the arguement that the Avatar is the only chamce of stopping the fire nation he is willing to step out all by himself against a bender to provide a chance of the fire Nation leaving without endangering his tribe.
It provides a clear picture that "yes, Sokka is funny" but he is also brave, and willing to do what is needed and protect the people he is responsible for.Which means that when he grows in character later on it was already built up earlier.
Which personally i find a better way for Sokka.
@@RK-cj4ocyou miss the importance of sokka trying to defend his village just to be defeated quickly and how that effect his character. That was his first chance to use his self taught training. Seeing him try and be dismissed shows how important proper training is and how the men leaving the village behind was actually really stupid and left their village in danger.
Plus it’s what makes him go after Aang. In the live action he just wants to go home. The cartoon sokka had drive to learn new skills and fight fire benders actively like the other men in his village did.
@@RK-cj4oc but isn't the whole point in the original show that Sokka ISN'T strong or skilled or brave or even old enough yet to even be a soldier? Isn't that the whole reason he's left behind, I know his dad gives him this whole "you've gotta stay and look after the village while we're gone" speech but I think it's pretty clear that they don't expect there to be any kind of attack while they're gone. Otherwise why would they take literally every able-bodied soldier away from the village and expect a single 16(?) year old to protect the entire village from a possibly invading force of fire benders?
@@GohkaThis ^ Plus, lets not forget that in the original show, Sokka didn't even have any boys his age he could train with. He had literal children.
Originally I thought the reason they wanted to show the genocide was as a more hands-on alternative to Katara's monologue about the war and Avatar disappearing. Except 20 minutes after they've just shown all that Gran Gran performs that exact same monologue anyway.
Great visuals but horrible writing. Such a wasted potential show 💔
I will never forgive "Game of Thrones" for forever condemning fantasy stories into proving themselves to people who cant compare reality and fiction.
I'm being completely genuine and sincere here, can you please help me understand what you mean? I know the last couple of seasons took a turn to positively ludicrous as a result of George RR Martin leaving and the writers that remained trying to create a formula of unpredictability as a trope... But other than that I honestly don't know much about the GOT discourse. (If you just want to give me a title to a video essay I totally understand.)
I'm just confused as to how a show reliant on things like dragons, a woman who can survive being burned alive, ice monsters that make ice zombies and necromancy / other forms of resurrection somehow the game show for people who 'can't understand fiction'?
I want to emphasize I'm being so sincere here. I genuinely want to know what exactly is being referred to by your statement. (I don't have a strong opinion about anything other than just a desire to know more about yours.)
It's not GOT's fault that people have bad media literacy, especially since the ending was actually good. People wanted a different ending but the one we got was actually in line with much of what we'd been given in terms of the themes and characters for 8 seasons. People SAY that the execution was bad but I disagree heartily. Also, GOT is the holy grail that all fantasy is trying to emulate nowadays so the show was actually quite impactful and good.
It's especially weird because the more seriously Game of Thrones was taken by the mainstream, the more they leaned in to the fantasy element. Like they really toned down the magical elements in the earlier seasons except the parts that were REALLY necessary plot points (white walkers, dragons), I believe because they thought mainstream audiences would find it too nerdy or whatever. Clearly not the case because people loved the dragons enough that they made a whole dragon series afterwards.
I will never forgive Game of Thrones for being nothing but torture-and-gore-porn and sometimes borderline actual porn pretending to claim legitimacy as "fantasy" when a big chunk of the audience was really just people watching it for the depravity and shock value who couldn't have possibly cared less about the actual fantasy genre. Terrible show for its whole run, beginning to badly botched end.
@@Nuvizzle It's because that's how the books function: the fantastic elements increase the longer the story goes on. Also, given that you have a finite amount of screentime, you need to choose which elements you keep and which parts you leave out. The story is overwhelmingly focused on the political intrigue. The magic elements are just the icing on the cake but without the cake what good is the icing?
I hated that they made Hakoda so like he was dissappointed with his son. Hakoda was proud of his son! He was his biggest supporter
It was another stupid change
Gotta have some father son conflict, as Ozai apparently now likes Zuko 😂
@@helenwhswait what. Ozai's hatred of Zuko is like 60% of the reason the series happens.
@@helenwhsThat is wild, especially for someone who read the official comics where this whole thing is explained.
This new version of Hakoda is not a Hakoda I see comforting Katara at the beginning of Book 3..nor do I see how he's supposed to work together with Sokka to escape the Boiling Rock if he doesn't value Sokka's intelligence and inventiveness like he does in the animated series. Qualities he himself also embodies! Sokka is so much of his father's son in the original that to see Hakoda devalue him in this new show hurts and is confusing.
don't forget that sokka wasn't only sexist but traumatized as well, being the only boy of his age at his village, and having to protect everyone, and seeing that as a kids, all the warriors in his tribe were men, and then they all got taking away by the fire nation, he lost his mom, and was force to grow up too soon. then he met capable women who proved his twisted world view wrong, and he apologized and even asked them to train him.
I knew things would go horrible when another boy his age was shown in the village tbh-
@@Naynin huh?
@@GMan-bn3tb Like in the life action series, there was another boy his age in the village. Which automatically also erased that aspect of his character. He wasn't the only guy in his village in the life action.
@@Naynin that's fucking stupid
Literally just got an ad on UA-cam from the US Air Force recruitment program promoting the Netflix live action with Zuko’s actor.
The show has an identity crisis. It’s supposed to be anti-imperialist, but is now being promoted by imperialists to recruit people into a military apparatus that oppresses and kills people all across the world. Like the fire nation.
It’s shameful how they’ve butchered every character and plot line they could. I definitely see why the creators decided to step away.
Is that a real commercial? fucking dystopian
"hey kid, don't you wanna have honor and shit like Zuko? He's really badass, well, you can do ecerything he does AND MORE if you come with us! You'll also be able to bend metal and make it fly onto inocent people! Just like Zuko with his fire!"
Where can I see this ad?
HUH??
Holy shit that's insane!
Anyone else get the feeling that without Sokka being sexist Suki beating on him and being harsh towards him kinda just felt like she was bullying him?
Women bullying men isn't just sexist ... It is men writing female characters as if they were nothing but weak men. By removing explicit male sexism to appear woke, they open the door for badly written women who are sexist implicitly (*which is the liberal status quo, and socially acceptable)
@@NicdeGrooti understood and dont understood, anything that you said
Yeah, rather than Suki using her fighting prowess to take Sokka down a peg, she's just kind of being unnecessarily rough with him. That scene where he stretches, she attacks him when his guard is down, and then he just walks off without a word was just so weird. The show seemed to play it like she was socially awkward around him because she's been sheltered on Kyoshi Island, and so she was bullying Sokka as a way to show her affection like they're 6 years old on a playground, which just adds an extra little layer of problematic by framing aggression as a way to show emotionally constipated affection.
It also kind of makes their power dynamic unbalanced, where instead of being equals (her teaching him that women can be strong and making him drink respect women juice, him teaching her that there's more to fight for outside of their villages and inspiring her to take the Kyoshi warriors to the Earth Kingdom and help where there's more immediate need). So now in the live action show she's less socially experienced than he is, and she has more to learn from him than he does from her, making her deferential to him. They tried to "remove sexism" from the show and instead just reinforced it on so many new and weird levels.
@@manicmuffin however this behaviour of aggression to show emotionally constipated affection *exists*, especially when you come from a sheltered background without much exposure to the other sex, so why would it be wrong to show it? The walking off moment was actually the only part that was funny. While this version of Sokka is socially less skilled, Suki had no experience with being attracted to someone yet, in a late age. So far, this was not in itself controversial.
@@RogerValor
Of course, but the scene isn't something that stands on it's own. The whole construct would need to change to make it fit this essentially completely new socca. But it didn't. They shoehorned it in in a way, that reinforced sexism, instead of having a sexist character that learns sexism is bullshit.
They removed the shown opposition to sexism and replaced it with subtle sexism that never really gets addressed. I'm sure they didn't mean to do that, but that is what happened.
When the original creators left the series I braced myself for disappointment
Can't be disappointed if you expected it to be a turd subdae drizzled in urine & dandruff sprinkles to begin with
They also made Korra, so bad comparison
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69Korra was good yall just don’t wanna accept changes you will never get an atla again they don’t like recreating the same shit
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69does legend of korra is a sequel to ATLA? I think LoK is not inherently bad and i shouldn't be compared with the first one, just say that you hate the continuation or time skip in Korra just like a mature person could be. Period.
@@AliceJem I'm coming to believe it'sat least partly because it had a female protagonist, and guys aren't used to shows not centered around male perspectives so they couldn't see themselves in that so they got bored and hated on it
Showing the genocide and that flashback of Katara watching her mother being killed felt so so so cheap. Like, they didn't know how to make the audience care for this characters so they felt the need to be as horribly explicit as possible.
I also think the use of Leave from the vines felt like an unearned emotional device, but that's another thing entirely.
I’m so angry they removed Katara her lines in the Southern Air Temple when Aang goes in the Avatar State.
I think it's because they cut a lot of the bonding between Aang and Katara up to that point, probably because they wanted to show the "sick" genocide instead. So being like "we're your family now" would feel completely unearned
@@The8BitPianist the amount of bonding they cut is just insulting. whenever katara would stick up for him it just felt like...why? she has no reason to even like him. honestly, he has no reason to like her, either. which is just great because, yknow, its not like they need each other to save the fucking world or something.
Initially I didn't understand WHY they wanted to show the genocide. I thought it would have some message that I couldn't see, but the truth is because there was no reason at all, it was merely just to emphasize that it's "an adult show", as if being an adult meant being exposed to pain and misery. In the end, the animation for children was more mature and bold with several themes than this adaptation.
I feel like in American TV, adult = more violence. The genocide just includes more fight scenes and cool VFX.
@@mhawang8204thats really all ive gotten from it too, only thing more mature about the live action is the tv rating
Yep I felt the same way when they announced they’d be showing it.
Also cuts down on a major underlooked thing in the series (ESPECIALLY in book 1) Aang is not only our protagonist he’s also the audience insert.
We’re thrown into this new world along with Aang with only a smaller amount of knowledge than he is thanks Katara’s opening monologue.
Showing us the Airbender Genocide cuts some of that mystery away. It also takes away great moments like the mechanist episode. Where Aang & the audience get a false sense of hope that some of his ppl survived & then it turns out to be a bunch of refugees who made their way into one of the air temples & built gliders that other ppl mistook as Air Nomads/flying ppl.
@@erockbaby3000i disagree with the mechanist bit, remember,that episode was in another air temple not Aang's
@@jeffersonhassan4558yes, they had already confirmed that everyone at his home temple had been killed. The mechanist moment was a hope that some of his people, read *air nomads* and not people of the southern air temple, survived the genocide. It really did get Aang’s hopes up when he saw gliders, so he was extra gutted when he found it was not only earth kingdom refugees, not air nomads, but they had destroyed huge parts of the temple when modifying it for their own livability.
this new series makes my blood boil. i despise this recent trend of taking something you loved as a kid, completely missing the point, and beating it to death right in front of you in hyperrealistic cg.
"hyperrealistic cg"
that's unwarranted praise
"hyperrealistic" is generous. The water-bending looks more like lube-bending
This makes your blood boil, to get new ATLA content, and a pretty damn decent at that. What more could you possible expect from a live action, as someone who loved this show as a kid is was magical to see it brought to life. Like seeing the Harry Potter movies on the big screen.
More like photoshop-realistic-ish lol
@@stevenbean09
Eh, some people just want atla to stay atla. They don't want something branded atla, they either want atla, or they want something actually new with new characters that evokes the same feelings.
Also, are we saying it was decent by comparison to the og show, or in general? Because if it's the latter, I would consider that a massive downgrade. Atla wasn't decent, it was spectacular. At least imo
at no point when I was watching the original show did I think to myself "man I really wish we could've seen the air benders get massacred by the fire nation"
So while your video is obviously a great and indepth dive as always, there was something I was looking for during the scenes of the show that I realized related to your point about 'cool scenes' was something I was told a week or so ago.
That the entire show was shot in center frame to be shared on tiktok or shorts or the like.
And throughout this entire thing whenever you showed clips, I could see how squished in everyone is to make sure that they could fit the clip in vertically; stuff like Sokka and Suki being smashed super close together so they can both be visible in a clip, or how the Fire Lord walks up from the back to the center instead of the left or right, or how the image of him liting the torrnado on fire puts the tornado directly in the center immediately after showing him in the center of the screen as he walked up, etc. basically every shot shoves all the important stuff directly into the center while leaving the edges really bare of anything going on.
It's really....weird.
oh wow. i definitely noticed how there were barely any wide or dynamic shots (katara’s fight with paku was especially uninteresting to watch imo) which just seemed lazy but after reading this i’m even more pissed off about it
As a kid I remember being so intrigued to see Roku, a firebender, guide Aang, he was there since the first season, long before the show hinted at Iroh's guilt and disapproval or Zuko's character arc. Roku with his dragon, the embodiment of fire, telling Aang how to end the war short-circuited my kid brain. The show actively tried to reach into me when I automatically assigned "good" and "bad" to whatever I saw on screen and it tried to challenge my notions. DiMartino and Konietzko wanted to break those clear lines and ask the kid watching: "Why are you so surprised to see a "good" firebender? Why do you think this way? Is that the right way to look at things?". I felt respected by the show somehow, in a way I couldn't describe. Now I know it's because the show didn't pick and choose its viewers, kids or adults.
On top of everything discussed, it is such a disappointment to see Kyoshi being the first past-Avatar Aang talks to, and not Roku. Showrunner says the live action is for adults but the cartoon was way more nuanced, sophisticated and well thought out than whatever the hell he came up with.
What we end up with is the harsh Kyoshi which actually undercuts a future episode. With the pacifist Roku who is a mentor to Aang we expect all the Avatars to be similar so when we get to the Island where Kyoshi killed their leader years ago, naturally we think they are wrong. So when we learn, no she really did kill him it's a shock and makes us question the Avatar. I don't know how this series will do that considering we've met Kyoshi and know she absolutely could have done it. (Also that scene in the cartoon has Aang wearing Kyoshi's clothes to attune with her so....yeah).
The show seemed like it was so busy being embarrassed to be a "kid's show." it took the nuance for granted
@@sizwesokopo281 100% agree. I don't think many showrunners/producers understand how much skill goes into discussing war, genocide, invasion with children & making it entertaining and not scary. There is an article on the show's ability to teach kids conflict resolution written by the president at Boston Graduate School of Psychoanalysis, like, it's that good lmao.
Kiyoshi still kills him but does it in a visually cool way because of modern cgi and shit, so the showrunner thinks it's exciting or something.
I think that's the perfect word to describe what the original has over the remake. Sophistication.
Albert Kim: Genocide isn't kid friendly
The Clone Wars: *sweats nervously*
*Laughs in Fullmetal Alchemist*
X-Men has entered the chat
WH40k: "I missed the part where this is my problem."
One Piece out here trying to figure out how to make the 6th genocide of the series feel extra depressing.
@@maxbarnt3835 just add more kids and torn families caught in the crossfire
Also, sokka actually learned in the last season how to be a proper warrior with the sword master. which is also an incredibly important arc, as it had shown how patient he had gotten and the amount he had grown.
exactly, they work on his anxiety and insecurities in the show already
The wildest part about the cast and crew saying "some things Sokka said didn't age well😢"
????? Sokka was never a raging misogynist? He was just a kid who grew up in a tiny village where the men were all hunters and the women did the housework bc he was too young to remember the waterbenders protecting them. His views were never tested and the women in his life never challenged his mindset.
Literally all it takes is one interaction with Suki for Sokka to go "Oh! I guess I was wrong." It added depth to his character. Yes he's strong-willed and opinionated but he's not stubborn. If he's proven wrong, he'll accept it gracefully. Why is the live action allergic to three dimensional characters
To quote Soka from the ember island players “But the effects were descents”
I'm 3 episodes in and Soka hasn't been funny yet. That was one of my favourite parts. Can't imagine what they will do to Toph.
@@b.w.1386with Toph it will look like more of a Stonehenge with four emotionless stones rather than team Avatar
@@b.w.1386 the way they wrote this show, toph will not have a single blind joke.
Descents?
*decent
Media literacy is at an all-time low. People seem to think now that main characters can't have flaws. Also this idea that some character flaws shouldn't be depicted at all, like sexism and so on.
I remember seeing Batman v Superman in theaters with my sister. Afterward, one of the reasons she didn't like it? Lex Luthor had said something sexist. LEX LUTHOR. The bad guy. The guy who was responsible for the deaths of hundreds of innocent people. Somehow, depicting the bad guy as sexist is a problem? This trend has been happening for a decade, and it's scary.
I made a comment about this earlier, but this is definitely an issue some shows these days seem to have. I remember first hearing about it from a Reddit post about Hazbin and how the show would not ever let a certain character actually be depicted as doing awful things despite being the ruler of Hell. Never seen the show so idk how true that is but it definitely is accurate here.
The show doesn’t seem to want the main characters to actually do things that could be seen as selfish or bad, as if they are worried the audience will turn on them for doing so. So you can’t have Aang running away from his responsibilities as the Avatar being why he got frozen, now it’s that he was just trying to clear his head and the frozen thing was just an accident. Sokka can’t be a guy echoing outdated sexist beliefs based on the society he was raised in, now he’s just insecure that he can’t bend like Katara and Aang. In stripping the characters of their ability to make bad decisions or receive consequences for selfish actions, you deprive them of the ability to actually grow or change in any meaningful ways.
Except people are pissed that this happened, proving that they know that it was a dumb move. It's corporations that don't care about media literacy. They just care about not seeming problematic.
@@badlydrawnturtle8484 we are living in an age in which people might be more forgiving of murder than sexism
People are forgetting that dealing with issues like that within media is all about how negative traits/actions are framed BY THE SHOW AND CHARACTERS
They don't want to put "drag makeup/genderbending" in a kids show but the LA is also an adult show...make it make sense. btw we ALL watched the "drag make up/genderbending" Kyoshi-Episode and we still grew up normal and not...i don't even know what they are scared of. it's so ridiculous
They are scared to be criticised by hateful conservatives who don’t want to see anything that confuses their world view.
And that’s pathetic.
You’re right, we all watched Sokka in the kyoshi warrior uniform, and guess what, many of us still “turned out” straight.
Avatar was one of the first pieces of media I ever loved. I remember begging to stay longer at a party my parents were attending because all the kids in the basement were about to watch part one of the finale as it aired and getting the dvds from Netflix of the earlier seasons. I’m in to film now and rewatching as an adult makes me realized how amazing it was especially with how fantastic and complex the characters were and resided my standards for media from an early age
It was a once in a lifetime experience and I hope younger generations get to experience something like that too. Just because something is made for kids doesn’t mean you have to dumb it down or be okay with the story being trash. When I was 9 I didn’t understand everything completely but that’s ok. Me and thousands of other kids loved it anyway and we were even more excited that on a rewatch it not only holds up but there’s more to enjoy
I can't wait to see Xiran Jay Zhao roast the live action show.
Oh, God. They're an icon.
honestly I'd pay to watch that shit
who is that? how is she an icon? what?
THEY WILL? THEY SAID THAT THEY WILL?
@@chemifan6784 they.
The characters feel really one note in the netflix version. They removed a lot of their flaws...
Katara never gets jealous of Aang, she never makes selfish decisions that endanger the group (like stealing the water scroll) and she never has to train with master Paku to be able to beat Zuko in the north pole..
Sokka isn't sexist and nowhere near as cynical.
Aang doesn't run away from the air temple, he just gets accidentally caught up in the storm... he also is never shown being immature or selfish like in the original show.
They are less interesting, more waters down
As Sun Zu said: it’s better to water down a character than to water down war
The part about Aang makes me particularly sad :( He's just a kid. He's not perfect. None of them are
Yes. This. All this
@@jewels3400
He's a kid who has just realized that his entire culture and people had been wiped out. It totally makes sense that he would be more serious after that. It was unrealistic how he immediately went back to his jolly, carefree self after such a traumatic experience in the original series.
@@crystalclear7512 He's still a child. He isn't gonna have the maturity to truly understand the weight of what happened.
Making him "Super Serious" is cliche cringe that has been done with practically everyone else in the series.
They removed ALL the unique character traits that made avatar...AVATAR...and watered it done into generic crap that EVERY other show is doing😑
It makes no sense to me because Sokka in the OG has two, count them, two whole lines of sexist dialogue or behavior before wising up. The writers of the Netflix show acted like this was some controversy in the show that needed to be addressed. Nevermind the fact the show all ready addresses it like four episodes in.
I find it fascinating that they removed sokka's sexism and yet the show itself still managed to be sexist. They treat Suki as this naive girl that find Sokka fascinating because he's supposedly travels the world and she dreams of being like him. That is so far from what her character is supposed to be. They make her into this girl that needs a big strong man to come along and show her that it's okay to see the world and leave her home and basically she needs Sokka to come along and Save her.
As a middle-aged parent the original cartoon was not a part of my childhood, but it was a part of my now-adolescent kids', and I watched a bunch of episodes with them. I was absolutely not prepared for the incredible, horrific, mature way the genocide was depicted-not-depicted. I sat there watching that episode, shocked, saddened--and a little worried that it was too traumatizing for my young children. So, yeah, agreed: that was not only the correct, somber, impactful, creative choice, but also the more "adult" choice, compared to, "ooh, show big fighty fight!"
I was a kid when it came out and that’s how I found out about genocide. I didn’t understand what it fully meant but it was still impactful to me. I never felt overwhelmed but just felt sad for the air benders because it felt unfair and I think kiddos of any generation can grasp that
have you watched the whole show by now? If not, I highly reccomend it
Honestly, the way it was shown with people just being completely incinerated felt almost... comical? Maybe I'm just jaded to a lot of entertainment today, so that might just be me, but the scene felt so heavy handed in its brutality that it actually felt a lot less serious and impactful than the reveal in the animated show when Aang returns to an empty sanctuary and discovers Monk Gyatso's remains. The show's subtle approach to revealing the extermination was honestly far more sombre and haunting.
@@lif6737 i think that's just you, it's insane to me that theyre showing people actually being incinerated by firebenders on screen now
@@Ispspsps-kl1lt I caught a lot of the earlier episodes on & off, but never did watch all of it. Have been thinking I should go back and watch them all...
Re: the genocide thing, I saw a review which concluded that "Even Zuko, despite some neat additions, gets his rougher edges sanded off - as if the writers were afraid to make him a proper antagonist."
Y'ALL WANTED TO SHOW HIS PEOPLE COMMITTING _ACTUAL FUCKIN GENOCIDE_ BUT LETTING THE MAIN VILLAIN BE A VILLAIN WAS A BIT MUCH, HUH?
This all just worries me to how they'll treat Toph's backstory. That she didnt want to be a flimsy weak blind girl, finding dresses and the coddling of her parents not to be her. Instead wanting to be a strong warrior, and one of the best of her bending. They'll definitely butch the episode of her and Katara that is so good and showing femininity in a positive light between totally different girls
I have a feeling It'll be bad.
"I am a warrior, but I'm a girl too." is a powerful line.
It’s weird that an early 2000s show is more adult and progressive, compared to a current day Netflix show. It’s sad that in 16 years after the original Avatar ended, we get something so watered down and completely misses the point of what it was trying to say. It’s been awhile since I’ve seen Avatar The Last Airbender, but this video certainly makes me want to rewatch it and avoid the remake like the plague.
🤷♀️ censorship, legal or societal, kills.
Glad to know you still trust and respect the og creators after Korra
@@uria3679
What are you on about? He never said anything about the creators, just their work, specifically atla. Is every good movie made by a bad director bad through osmosis?? Damn, I guess I can't enjoy A New Hope any more.
@@rookregent5623it isn't even censorship. It's just devoid of actual art or talent. Because it's designed to be.
Corporations don't want stimulated, thinking, inspired adults. They want vapid, shallow droids
And I guess I should stop watching Tim Burton movies cause somewhere down the line he really lost his touch in making original material. 🤷
Aangs personal and deeply affected mourning in the air bender village in the original reflects the reality of genocide so much better than a hollow glamorized battle scene designed to show off cool bending moves.
And in the animated show you're left to imagine the battle yourself. You see everything and aangs old master as just a skeleton, it makes you think about what he did in his last moments, how he fought.
This new show steals that from you, and goes "here, this is how it looked"
I think that seeing the children running from the firebenders was far more brutal than the original show, which didn’t ever acknowledge the fact that children were also murdered.
I was affected by that, even if you were too focused on being mad that it was different.
Right! They dont want to let people THINK theyre just shoving it in our face @@ZeSgtSchultz
@@calvinjohnson6242
I agree with you. It never occurred to me children were there. For some reason I assumed it was just Aang all alone being trained by a bunch old men.
@@majorlazor5058 In the original the show lets you know there was children there, but it never made us face the fact that those children had been murdered. We only discover there were children there in the “storm” episode, and it’s not as explicit as physically seeing the children there.
Sure, subtlety is very important, but this was another valid way of showing the genocide, and I’m tired of pretending that it’s not.
The thing I love about the original Avatar message is that while it does urge us to stand against oppression, it doesn’t do so by insisting that we reinforce cycles of violence.
Yeah. Because the original Avatar is a kids show. This one is made for an older audience. Not reinforcing the cycle of violence is great and all, but kinda hard to show in live action when people are getting burned alive and Fire nation catapults are crashing down on people.
@@RK-cj4ocYeah, it's not an easy thing to do, but you should do it anyways. That's sort of the point you're supposed to make when you take a moral stance? Giving up because it's hard defeats the point of morality entirely.
Okay I'm only to the Kiyoshi warrior section about physical strength and AUGH THE FACT THAT PHYSICAL STRENGTH IS WHAT IT TAKES TO BE A WARRIOR IS ANGERING ME. I've been studying martial arts since 2016 and I am not a physically strong person. I am 145 5'4". I am not a gym rat nor do I do strength training. I am what I am.
***YET.***
I am still able to take down men that are 6'+ and probably 200lbs+. I could probably take down my 300lbs+ stepdad with the right moves and he was a police officer. One time I did a little demo for my grandma of a very non-aggressive move and was able to move my stepdad just by using the right angle.
Fighting isn't all about physical strength! It's about knowing momentum, space, distancing, and so on! It's about being smart and understanding how body mechanics work. Yeah, MMA boxers and stuff are terrifying in their own right due to their power and strength, but that's not all martial arts styles. If you know the right moves, you can take down _ANYBODY._
Well fighting is a mix between strength and technique. That's why MMA and kickboxing has been confirmed to be the strongest martial arts. There's a video of a chinese MMA fighter taking down several Kung Fu masters at the same time, after which he was practically banished by the chinese government for "besmirching" the chinese culture, when he was only trying to prove a point. Mastery of any martial art is impressive, but to say raw physical power isn't required is straight up wrong. Especially if the context is being a Warrior
Isn't it a bit different for warriors fighting other warriors though? Like if the other person you're fighting is 300lbs and also has similar skills, strength would matter a lot more?
@@La0bouchere It depends a lot, because size doesnt equal strength, and again, many martial arts have techniques for people who are fighting bigger people, its the whole "use their weight against them" thing and use your own skills provided by your size. For example, Bruce Lee was smaller and lighter than Bolo Yeung but he could have defeated him simply by being more into strength training and by being as fast as he can be. So it would depend on the individuals because that's not even getting into specific techniques. At least from what I could gather.
"Let go of the past or I'll never have a future" That's... troubling to hear coming from Aang because his refusal to let go of his past, his airbender heritage, is what eventually leads him to the solution that is energybending, so... does that mean this Game-of-Thrones-appealing-let's-show-the-genocide show is going to end in season 3 with Aang killing Ozai? Because that's thematically what it seems like they're setting up.
On screen Murder is maturity, don't you know this?? It will look so cool on screen.
Well I heard that Iroh kills Zhao in season 1 of NATLA which is so out of character for him that I wouldn't be surprised if they assassinate Aang's character too
@@SyntheticRose I kinda think that Iroh WOULD kill Zhao if he didn't found out that zuko was still alive, he's the only one left that Iroh cares about, and the dragon of the west is not gonna let that one slide!
Oh god, please no
See, I actually wouldn't even have a problem with killing Ozai. In the original series, it always came off as massively hypocritical to me that he was unwilling to kill Ozai when Aang had *definitely* killed a bunch of Firebenders before that point. Like, sure, the show doesn't draw attention to it much of the time, but he definitely kills a *lot* of people through his actions.
Also, I'm sorry, Energybending was not set up well enough for it not to come off like a massive deus ex machina. There was pretty much no buildup, and no resistance to him getting it. Aang just whines about not wanting to kill; is told by 2 of his past lives that sometimes you *have* to kill people, and then he more or less stumbles upon the solution to that dilemma. It's shockingly bad writing for a show as well written as ATLA.
So true about the Air nation genocide scenes. Could you imagine if "Schindler's List" or "Come and See" focused on making the action elements look "badass" and "epic" instead of visually tragic and haunting?
Watching Gyatso and Sozin duel it out in a Dragonball Z style Beam clash was so awful. Like yes, these two just so happened to meet each other on the battlefield. What a worthless connection just to add it in there.
And the most ironic thing is that they completely undersell the power of the comet. When we see Ozai use it it's unsettling. The way the fire sort of explodes out of his hand and it's sounds like a scream, and the smile he gives while displaying is power is kind of terrifying.
In this show, they do nothing to make you believe Sozin's Comet powers them up because they do nothing they can't normally do other than hover a little bit and then verbally say it makes them stronger.
literally, the reveal of the skeletons when they visit the air temple was sickening to me even in animation, PLUS w/ the release timing while we're watching a genocide happen IRL in palestine... its just so horrific
@@thecactusinthevalley4657 I fear it will expand to the West Bank, Galilee, and the Naquab
It kind of is already there. the settlers in the WB immediately got uber armed up. The only reason there's no massive bombings is bc of those settlers live so close@@jonathanhosh4459
the air nomad genocide was honestly sickening to watch for me. i could tell the writers were trying to make the airbenders have cool scenes, but watching it just left me feeling horrified. especially with everything happening in palestine and the recent protest of aaron bushnell… it all just made me want to look away. ive never had a problem with gore of any kind on tv or in video games until this. i wish they would’ve left it out honestly.
Omg same. I just couldn't stop thinking of real world events.
People like you are sso annoying...
Especially the terrified kids hiding and the Fire Nation forcing their way past the door…
The terrified kids especially made me think of the kids hiding in their homes bedrooms, while the Hamas banged on the blocked doors. Especially with the ambush happening at night on completely unsuspecting civilians without any warning. :/ And how they eventually went in, looked these kids in the eyes and killed them infront of their parents. Innocent death is horrible in general, but something about the „intimacy“ Hamas terrorists where in with their victims, while still being able to commit those horrendous acts on their bodies, makes me feel at a loss for words. And this not just having happened once, but thousands of times. None of these scenes unfolding on 7.10. looked cool and none of the people standing infront of their kids to protect them, died fighting spectacularly. They were just raped, mutilated, tortured by other peoples hands. The natla scene was so reminiscent of these events and yet looked and felt NOTHING like it.
The way everyone just lied to us lol
All the people involved were like "Everyone is such fans of the original series!" "We did our best to treat the original material with respect!"
The avatar live action adaptation curse strikes again bruh
Man, they really did Sokka bad. My favorite part (as someone relatively smart but physically very weak) of his entire character arc is him growing into his true strength: strategy. He starts the series with mostly poorly thought out, hair brained schemes that sometimes work and sometimes don't (the episode where he's off training and everyone is bored as shit because ADHD Sokka isn't there is hilarious) but that grows into a person who is both excellent at planning in advance and adjusting those plans on the fly as needed. Sokka is a skilled warrior, but he's a gifted strategist. Focusing on his physical strength, I can't help but feel pulls from what is his greater skill.
Okay, I’ve been calm for over a week, but this comment pushed me off the edge just now.
WTF do you not understand about BASIC CHARACTER ARCS?
*Sokka* was the one obsessing over his strength, when he should have been focusing on his mind and heart. That was made so unbelievably, mind-numbingly obvious!
You overly critical morons are intentionally using less of your brain cells when watching this adaptation, just so you can find idiotic fake flaws and condemn a show that was NOT BAD.
It wasn’t perfect, but it was fairly decent and was actually brilliant at times. You all need to find some genuine criticism, or shut your god damn mouths.
"Jumping on the bandwagon of negativity for negativity's sake"
Like... Replying to a bunch of comments under a video that is clearly a critic of a series you like?
Don't get me wrong, I understand how you must feel. You obviously like the new ATLA show and you see a lot of people talk bad about and that hurts your feelings. That's natural, but you can't just come here and generalize all criticism to mere "negativity for negativity's sake". Because there are a lot of good points made here. This isn't just people mad that it is different. If a remake is different or tries to expand upon the original that at least justifies it's existence. But this is about how the different was done bad.
Despite preferring the mystery that comes with Aang just appearing at the southern water tribe without the audience immediately knowing where he comes from, I liked that they tried to make it a bit different in the remake by showing more of Aangs past, but I just couldn't stand the blatant exposition left and right (Aang literally spelling his character description to Appa in the most unnatural way possible) and I also didn't like how the genocide was executed.
I saw some people argue that not seeing the airbenders fight puts an emphasize on their pacifism. And while I do agree with that, I still liked that we saw them defend their home.
My problem with this scene is that it was still badly executed, at least in my opinion. Yes, you saw innocent poeple being murdered and even children and I'll give you the point that the remake made me fully realize for the first time that "Holy shit, they actually murdered children!".
And still I didn't really feel anything besides general sadness and anger at the Fire Lord, and I'm a fairly emotional person. Normally I would cry super fast in such a scene, but this one just felt like a plain slaughter fest, because I didn't feel any attachment to the characters or the attachment of the characters to each other. What breaks me is the thought of "they care about each other. They are loosing loved ones here", but something like this was absent from the scene. I felt more when I saw Gyatso fight and knew he wouldn't survive.
And from what I've seen you weren't exactly what I would call "calm". You basically called people emotionless and problems of society. And you said that one of your comments was even deemed as violating UA-cam's guidelines, sooo... I guess you should maybe think about that.
If you cried during that scene and you liked it because of the emotions it provoked in you, good for you. But just because some poeple didn't feel much or felt like it was just there for the action scenes, doesn't mean they are emotionless.
And this person you answered to wasn't negative at all, but disappointed. They explained what they liked about the original. How nuanced it treated strength and that it means more than just the physical aspect. The remake looses this nuance and instead focuses only on the physical part without highlighting the importance of a sharp mind. They have a really good point and most importantly, they framed it as their personal preference. And you still replied to them and accused them of just being negative and ignored the points they made.
You know what I'm really sick of? People who think they know the thoughts and feelings of others better and accuse them of something even though they have good arguments.
You don't have to agree with them, but you need to accept that they don't like something you like.
We all need to accept at some point that we can't all like the same things. Some people will have their reasons and some will be irrational about it. But you don't have to engage with them.
Ultimately, you could have chosen to ignore this video, but instead you decided to indulge in the negativity.
this is a great comment. And that's such a great part of Sokka's growth, too. I love that in the animation he's never really physically "strong" - he's technique oriented as a swordsman, and highly gifted with strategy and adaptation. They never show him out-stronging someone; he outsmarts them.
16:33 there it is! He’s wearing the armor OVER his water tribe robes. So they SORT of do it. Kinda like “he can put the armor part on but not the dress”
The fact that a cartoon from damn near 20 years ago is more daring than one now is embarrassing to Netflix.
He not only doesn't wear the "dress" (it's not though, they are dressed like samurai) but he also doesn't wear the makeup: which has a lot of real world meaning.
Course the show has Asian actors playing the fire nation, but white actors playing the *heavily indigenous-coded* water tribe. So instead of a criticism of how East Asian countries and the US have treated their indigenous populations, we get Yellow Menace nativist rhetoric... and that's somehow "apolitical" in a time when the US's biggest economic rival is China? Yes, I know the Fire Nation is supposed to be Imperial Japan, but it's not like Americans can tell the difference. Ffs, Sokka and Katara are supposed to be Inuit. Like my God, you took a show with Native Americans and a Shaolin monk as the heroes and somehow made it propaganda pushing a war with China. No wonder the original showrunners quit.
@@sophiejones3554 You know that the actors playing Sokka and Katara are themselves Native Americans, right?
@@GermanLeftist no, I didn't. Thank you for correcting me. What I was reacting to was that in the cartoon, they were darker and visibly different which helped the work make a criticism. But of course, it isn't the director's fault that those with darker complexions tend to avoid Hollywood. My bad, for making an assumption.
@@sophiejones3554 Truth be told, if I hadn't read it before hand, I wouldn't have known it either. They're definitely white passing. But that's not surprising, considering how many Natives were forced to become part of white families, to put it mildly if you catch my drift. Also, neither of these actors is Inuit. They just chose random youth actors with Native background.
@@GermanLeftist yep ;)
And yeah, Inuit actors would have been good since that's what the water tribe was coded as. The other problems with the script Jessie mentioned (I admit, I didn't watch the live action show and haven't paid a lot of attention to ATLA for a long time) make me suspicious this wasn't just a case of not being able to get the ideal actors. But it is good to know they maybe didn't *intend* the nativist interpretation, since they may not have realized just how white-passing the lead actors were. I do know that can be somewhat a matter of individual perception.
The show feels a lot more like “the power of friendship” and a lot less like fighting oppression
There's something hilarious about the fact that they deleted Sokka's sexism in exactly the same way that RWBY did when they copied Sokka, years after Hbomb already pointed out how important that part of his character is (and I'm sure Hbomb isn't the only person who's mentioned this before the remake came out). You would think professional writers would have more media literacy...
And just like with this adaptation, by removing a character's sexism arc they made the NARRATIVE sexist! Although Jaune's sexism is a BILLION times worse than here, with his whole Nice Guy(tm) thing going on, where he is NEVER called out on his sh1tty behaviour and it's coddled by the narrative/characters instead🤦🤦🤦🤦
ATLA animated does depict the genocide. It depicts it as it's result, the absence of a civilization, of Aang's home. The result of depicting it as a battle, to show the air benders fighting as the first we see of them, makes it into war, war as exciting, as a battle of two sides.
100%
Would have preferred if they had used the resources they had to tell a new story, rather than repeat what has been done. There have been so many Avatars, just pick one of the other ones. Or base it off the novels dealing with Avatar Kyoshi.
Oh, wait, sorry. I forgot that everything that gets created now has to be based off an existing property or it "won't make money." Nothing "original" is selling anymore so we have to keep circling the bowl that is nostalgia.
Exactly this!
It does make money but that requires actual talent and dedication
Glad to know you enjoyed Rebel Moon because it was original
@@uria3679 that movie was horrible.
The whole thing came across so lazy conceptually. They didnt think about the source material and come up with meaningful additions. They just spelled out what was already clearly implied in the show.
Making Avatar apolitical or removing a lot of its messages means they didn't get the message cause they won't have bowed down to studios so they could teach people the lessons of avatar for adult. That's probably why the original creators left, they knew no one was getting their points and as they couldn't do anything their protest was to leave to make their point
I just watched it and one thing I noticed, from may, how did Spirit Girl (forgot her name) water bend /froze Sokas feet while the moon was still dead?
Omg. Idk how I didn't notice that???
tbf maybe since yue's part spirit only she could still waterbend when everyone else couldn't? idk that's my only guess
hearing Boring say “you’re not supposed to be challenging kids with radical new ideas” helps you see directly into the ideologies of the right wing. they don’t want children learning to think critically. they want their ideas presented as fact, and no opposing ideas presented until children are cemented firmly in their belief systems. critical thinking is probably the most important thing a child can be taught, and they want that completely removed.
So, if they don't want kids to be put in a cult it means that they don't want to have critical thinking even tho the whole point of it is that said radical ideas remove the critical thinking from it's members. It is funny how people in this video claim these sort of things yet can't stop making strawmans of what their ideological oponents want by using a series as an excuse for it, it is very ironic
@@Dario-uj6qo"can't stop making strawmans" "don't want kids to be put in a cult"
@@kamota8523 that's what they are refering to when they say that they don't want radical ideas to spread to children, how is that a strawman? I didn't say they were right or wrong but that acusing them of wanting that loss of critical thinking was untrue because of what they actually want, claim and belive weather they are right or not
I mean that is one of teh core of conservatism "dont question anything follow tradition"
@@seliamila1005 aside fron the response I have already given there are a few other problems with your statement
1) no everyone who is againts these sort of things is a conservative
2) even if what you said was true it would still make sense to be critical about core thinkings that do so
3) many conservatives don't give a f about what others do or think, they just live and think with that mindstate because it is what they choose, they just don't want anything inforced to them or others
Game of Thrones envy is a serious problem...
We need to accept that it wasn't good go begin with
@@rommdan2716 Nah, if GOT was never good people wouldn't have been so disappointed by the later seasons.
@@Code_Dee It's time to stop lying to yourself!
@@rommdan2716 Ur right Wheel of Time is better
@@rommdan2716GOT was very good. And from someone who watched them nearly side by side:
It was very similar to the original Avatar. Excellent world building, a different kind of fantasy, multiple nations with different cultures, deep histories and interesting locations, incredible character arcs and redemptions, a slow build to a world ending finale, etc.
The biggest difference was tone. But it scratched the same itch. Anyone who thinks they have nothing in common is fooling themselves.
I feel very uncomfortable watching a 'cool and exciting and more adult' looking genocide considering all that's happening in the world right now. Like you said, if you're going for a big emotional impact, it's far more effective to look at the generational effects of violence than it is to just be like 'ooh look big budget and cool cgi effects.'
I also saw the lack of writers understanding of the nuisance of the original.
The cartoon is so meaningful in teaching kids emphathy and the horrors of violence specially with our current Wars in ukraine and palestine.
Dante basco in an interview mentioned how the cartoon taught kids anti-colonial values and inspiration to fight against oppression.
THANK YOU!! I wanted so badly to like this adaptation, but I didn't, and I've seen people saying BS like, "If you're a TRUE fan, then you'll enjoy this adaptation."
Ex-fucking-cuse me?? I tear apart the pieces of media I love THE MOST. Saying that you're not a "true fan" if you're critical of something is pretty braindead. 😭
I get not liking it, but there are points she makes which make no sense.
Sokka and Suki are wearing the exact same armor. The ghi's color is different, his matches his water tribe heritage while hers her earth kingdom one. Neither is wearing makeup, the LA didn't make a big point out of the makeup.
At different parts of the video she whines when the LA does things exactly the same as the show, and also whines when they're different.
For the most part I like the changes, especially to Bumi. He should be broken after 100 years of war, losing his best friend, making hard choice after hard choice. Broken people do tend to try and break others around them, especially those that remind them of how they were before they broke. Like Aang does for Bumi.
It's weird in the cartoon how Bumi is exactly the same mad genius he always was.
I like how they show Zuko wasn't the only one being tormented by Ozai. Azula is being played just as much as he is/was. It's also leading up to a better breakdown of Azula than we got in the cartoon. Instead of oops she's crazy now, we get to see why she's crazy.
@@JcewazhereFelt like the kids show did a lot of that without making it obvious
@@Jcewazhere Sounds like you just didn't get the original because it wasn't spelled out to you.
Wonder if they say that about people who didn’t like the movie.
to be honest, i dont see anyone saying the true fan line. if anything, i see everyone *hating* on the show. there's no one that seems to like it. all the comments/reviews are negative, including on some of the actors' own instagrams, and i haven't even watched it yet.
The only thing this series has in it’s favor is that the movie existed for years and has the history of the “worst possible thing ever” so of course compared to that it’s receiving-let’s be fair here- unwarranted praise in comparison.
Like I’m always annoyed when an adaptation of an animated medium is in the same form when in live action. It is inherently passing on the rhetoric that animation is a lesser artform than live action.
I agree. It’s also Netflix making a version they can own if licensing rights for the animated show get expired. I’ve noticed the trend though for shot for shot remakes of animation while adding nothing new and not acknowledging animation as a medium. I don’t mind live action if there’s a new story to tell or a new take on it but just retelling the same story seems lazy and often ends up looking worse than animation.
I see it as another mark against it. Trying this again was straight up belligerent
Those certain Avatar Fans: if this leads to a Korra remake, I’ll keep supporting it
I'm not convinced the movie helps the series. I think of there was no movie, it'd just be another bad live action anime (not anime, but you know what I mean) But with the movie as an example of everything you shouldn't do, and still failing this badly, it really makes me wonder why anyone even bothered. How did you so thoroughly fail here? You already had a big shining example of what not to do. There's also the One Piece live action, that wasn't perfect, but at least had fun characters. We know how to do this now. And we know very well how not to do it. So why would you go backwards? Why would you bother to make this show with no characters? It's so baffling.
@@rachelh2816This is why I didn't mind (despite the company's - well deserved - reputation) Disney's live action Cinderella. Were there certain things that irked me? Yes but they were unrelated to understanding the core of the original (what aspects were necessary to keep for it to actually be an adaptation) changes: what to update, flesh out ect.
Is it my favorite? No. Neither Disney product or Cinderella film. However *by contrast* it is a significantly better film than most cross media remakes/reboots and certainly better than what Disney did with their most hyped attempts after the fact. (I especially think of Mulan and Beauty and The Beast - no offense to Watson but regardless of how well loved or talented your lead is, they can't carry an entire film - that also had serious production issues/questionable execution - on their own.)
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I know it's not a perfect and also ancient example but it's the best I can think of off the top of my head.
Maybe we just don't need to have a forced live action remake of every animated property? Maybe if you're going to make a new entry in a series, you should add to it, not retread old ground? Maybe creators should have a vision first, and franchising should come second, if at all? Maybe not everything should be a 'safe bet' in art.
All Netflix had to do was write a NEW story. All anyone has to do is hire writers and let the write new interesting stories. NO ONE want soulless reboots and if these CEOs want to extract every cent from the viewers hiring talented writers and giving them the time and freedom to write new interesting stories will make them money. I feel like I’m going insane !!!
It's like no one learned anything from the Shyamalan travesty. Honestly, I find the whole trend of crapping out live-action remakes of acclaimed animated movies/series to be lazy, unimaginative and just completely unnecessary. I mean, even on the ideal off-chance that one of these is actually faithful and doesn't screw it up, it still like.. we already have the definitive version of that story. It's not like it was some deeply flawed thing that had the potential to be redone better. So, if it was already good and you're just going to try to re-do it, what's the point?
Part of the issue with the way they depicted the airbender genocide is also that airbenders are not fighters. The way they fight back looks like they are warriors, instead of civilians being brutally murdered. Airbenders are famously peaceful and do not have an army, and the show is depicting it as if they had any chance at all against a highly trained militarily force. It's almost "both sides"-ing the entire event.
Edit to ask y'all to read my multiple clarifications in the comments before replying, and to not twist my words into something I did not say.
This is a ridiculous complaint, the original series states that the air nomads are, under normal circumstances, pacifists & do not have a standing army, not that it's impossible or that they're unwilling to fight back. If you literally go back and watch the southern air temple you might notice the piles and piles of firebender armor surrounding Gyatso's corpse, meaning he definitely took a number of them with him. I have no idea how showing the air nomads defending themselves from a brutal genocidal onslaught equates to both-sidesing.
Add the fact of how the comet enhances a firebender's ability to a ludicrous degree--which it didn't in the live performance--and it inadvertently understates the brutality of Sozin's goal.
and with it coming out right now..? doubly unfortunate.
@@davis1733it's not just about gyatso being able to fight at all or not, it's also about *how* they fight. They fight as if they are trained warriors, when they really aren't.
They're famously pacifists. Not saying that they would just lay down and die but you're right. Showing them duking it out against the firebenders looks cool yes, but it misses the entire point about the fire nation genociding a monastery of pacifist monks.
There’s something to be said about “letting go” of the past on a personal level.. but this is almost arguing “shhh don’t think about historical context. The only thing that matters is today and tomorrow.”
Hadestown says otherwise.
It’s like they watched The Last Jedi and agreed with Kylo Ren, the villain of the movie.
Context is important.
saw little joes video about the first episode on nebula, saw the shit Katara said to Ang where she said: Having all people die around you is good actually, cause that's where you find your true strength, and now I lost the motivation to ever watch it.
Everything about this live action lacks the heart and the warmth that the original has. ATLA is genuinely my favorite show on the planet and the Netflix completely butchered the live action because they failed to recognize what made the show special and why it resonated so strongly with people. Bumi's mischaracterization, Sokka's lack of sexism, Zuko's scar. They changed these things that didn't need to change for the sake of what? Being safe? Nobody who has seen the original ever had a problem with its content because it does such an excellent job of deconstructing the problematic views and actions of the characters while making it palatable for children AND adults. I hope the live action is a commercial failure and that Netflix loses billions over it. Michael and Bryan leaving over "creative differences" isn't shocking at all. What IS shocking is that there were ever creative SIMILARITIES.
i really hate the fact that this show has the gall to tell me to "let go of the past," as in let go the animated series and embrace the tripe they made as "the future". so many lines of dialogue are like that to me. not characters talking to each other in a story, but creators speaking through them to say "shut up and enjoy the cool, okay? we worked very hard on the cool, okay? see? we made the grandma say the thing! we made bending look real! shut up and love it, you dweebs."
thanks netflix. i hate it.
They took "inspiration" from a full course meal and provided hollow junk food and are surprised that people who wanted a full meal aren't satisfied.
ya’ll r seriously overthinking this sht. its not supposed to be a carbon copy of atla that was the whole point. If people want atla then simply watch the original.
What's fascinating is that like the Cowboy Bebop live action it feels like it was done by people who loved the show and wanted to respect it but couldn't understand *why* it worked so well in the first place and so just ended up copying the aesthetic of it but without any of the charm
I know absolutely nothing about anime so I could be wrong lol, but I’ve heard that the one piece live action worked quite well and fans of the show have responded fairly positively to it
an incredible number of people are just straight up [blank] illiterate. they don't understand how to understand, or think about _anything._ they see the surface of the world and refuse to look any deeper under any circumstances, they just do the dance they were trained to do like good little monkeys.
Just how Frozen II is made by folks who do not have the foggiest what made the first Frozen so appealing.
@@alexandergilles8583 One Piece while still flawed is a brilliant adaptation because the people behind it actually get what makes the anime fun and interesting to watch.
The Rurouni Kenshin live action movies are also extremely good adaptation of the manga because of the same principle.
It's wild to me that they thought Avatar wasn't commercially viable enough and needed to appeal to the people who would never have liked the original by doing these changes... but then also they claim they made it explicitly for the fans!??!?!
What the hell?!
Contradiction seems to be their strong suit.
Netflix's Scott Pilgrim is a good example of returning to a series and redoing it in a new medium while adding more to the original for modern audiences. Scott Pilgrim is a great live-action movie that is pretty stereotypical with his power and story arc, and it is still genuinely funny and a good movie, but it came out over 10 years ago. The animated show knows the audience of Scott Pilgrim and took parts of that show to make it something new and unique while still staying true to Scott Pilgrim's character and the other characters of the story. Why couldn't Netflix do that with Avatar?!
As a child I didn't blink an eye when sokka wore the kyoshi warrior garb, to me it looked similar to samurai garb just more feminine
Roku being fused into Kyoshi really irks me, and shows yet another push for "mass audience appeal" over proper character. Roku has a personal stake in the story, being the indirect cause of the fire nation conquest by not interrupting sooner. He also bonded with Aang directly because he was alive to actually know people Aang did in the past. Meanwhile, Kyoshi is over 200 years removed from the conflict and has no connection whatsoever. In the same way Suki was reduced to a tool, Kyoshi became a narrative device and little else compared to the emotional development of Roku.
The thing about Kyoshi that made sense to me was geogarphy. This universe Aang can only connect his past selves if he in their shrine. Kyoshi Island is close to Southern Air Temple and it makes closer than the Roku's Shrine. So Aang connecting to Kyoshi before Roku makes sense. They nerfed the past Avatars connection a bit. Kyoshi did say that the Avatars are shaped by the times they lived in.
@@whitneymohrhauser8753I'm kind of curious how they're going to portray the lion turtle scene in book 3 then.
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I'm calling it now, the Lion Turtle will not be in this show.
But Aang will still defeat Ozai with Energybending at the final moment, just this time with absolutely 0 set up.
@@kjj26kI doubt it. The Netflix show so far is better at setting up things that will happen than the cartoon. It is just that some people complain that characters have some different scenes now because of the live action showing hints of the character growths by now already.
Btw my friend.
Zhao already name dropped the lion turtles in the season finale. Which means it most definitivly will be in the show.
Storytelling is political no matter what, the very act of trying to take politics out of it always makes it political in a different way
Exactly the problem with the show. They remove something because is 'sexist' ignoring all the context around it and go and make their own version actually sexist because, as with everything else in the original, they don't know why it is there for or what they're doing. They accomplish the opposite of what they try at every turn by sheer incompetence.