DSA SA58 (FN FAL) to 500yds: Practical Accuracy
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**UPDATE***
This is NOT a standard FN FAL, but rather an DSA Clone. We labeled it an FN FAL and it's been something that has bothered us for a while. There are a mix of features that you see here.
DSA has served the FAL community well by continuing to make parts and has not largely become one of the only companies still manufacturing parts for the FN FAL. We mentioned that the DSA is a good copy, quite frankly because we were only aware of the early DSA rifles with LMT machined forged receivers. The newer ones need a more discerning eye to figure out if it is a keeper or not.
Regardless, if it weren't for DSA clones, there would be far less FN FAL rifles in the US and most of those would be Century builds, which are more questionable (not bad, I have one L1A1 on Imbel that is highly desirable and fantastic to shoot).
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Rifle was a DSArms FN FAL. Shot with Remington UMC 150gr .308 ball ammunition.
Distance Conversion:
150y - 137m
200y - 182m
250y - 229m
300y - 274m
350y - 320m
400y - 366m
450y - 411m
500y - 457m
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He does it so casually, but folks who aren't shooters need to realize that knocking down targets at 500 yards with irons is absolutely next level skill.
I guess every Marine is next level then
With some training, good eyes, and good target contrast, it should be doable. The wind adds a fair amount of difficulty.
@@ninja5672 said like someone who knows. Bravo
@@pauliecopez2683 Well, yeah. Every Marine pretty much is. Their chefs and cooks can out shoot the best UA-cam personality without even trying.
@@mattorama I was in the Marines and Army National Gaurd. Infantry in both. So I've shot with a few military personnel before. I know how well they shoot.
Not only did the Rhodies jump with the FAL, they brought along the FN MAG for fun. All 12kg of it plus ammo.
@@jessiepinkman7736 You have to change the location of the recoil spring to put a folding stock on an FAL. This means that you need a para specific lower receiver. The upper receiver on the FAL is the part that the BATFE cares about.
@@hansstrouf Mine (SA58) is about 1/2 a pound lighter than that. I suspect it is because it is an 18" barrel.
The MAG was belt fed machine gun. It’s basically an early M240b for US Bros. And it does indeed weigh ~26lbs.. Not accounting for ammo it’s a big bitch!
FAL’s and MAG gunners dropping dump trucks on commie dickbags all over Africa!
@@AlphaChimpEnergy cringe
@@hansstrouf the FN MAG is 12kg. Or more, damn heavy beast.
decades ago I had one of these exact rifles at an outdoor range when a fast-moving, raging thunderstorm came in out of nowhere.
the Rangemaster had us all take cover, and we left our weapons on the shooting benches. When I came back to the bench, my FAL had been completely drenched. I picked it up, tilted the barrel down, locked in a magazine, chambered a round, and started firing. It massively pumped/sprayed water out of itself in all directions, but it kept on working and never failed. that sealed the deal for me, and i still have that rifle.👍
"can't jump with a full length FN!"
Rhodesians: "Hold my shorts!"
@Logain, haha yeah when I see the various combat pictures of forces wearing the desert shorts like the Britts in North Africa and others I'm thinking that's hardcore to fight in shorts!!!
British airborne regiments jumped with the solid stock version of the FN. The L1a1 Self Loading Rifle (SLR) for over 30 years. Marksmanship training required hits on mansize targets out to 300m to pass your annual personal weapons test with section fire out to 600 m.
@Blanik L-13 What do you think of the rifle? Any other rifles you like today?
LogainLbue read a good book by a chap called Hannes Wessels about the Rhodesian SAS. A hand full of hard men. Worth a read
@@Jazzman-bj9fq at least they wont have sweaty balls lol
I'm a simple man: I see FAL, I click.
What's the difference between the FAL and SLR?
RODGER JOHNSON ,
SLR was semi automatic only. FAL was semi automatic and full automatic.
Also the SLR was manufactured using imperial units and the FAL using metric units. This led to some incompatibilities. The metric magazines could be used on SLR’s, but not the other way around. I think there were similar issues with the butt and a few other components.
The SLR barrel is shorter than the FAL barrel as well.
Brazilian FAL you click?
@@dallen521 In Australian service there were effectively two SLRs.
L1A1 semi auto only, 20 round mag.
L1A2 heavy barrel, semi or full auto, 30 round mag. ( very few L1A2s issued. )
This was my service rifle 1978 / 1979 in the SADF absolutely loved it.
Hi Herman - if it was clean well maintained and all shinning black it could have been mine that I had in 1976 to 1977. Took it to the tuffies workshop and had a spray job done - looked really nice.
South african defence force
In all my time Jul 1977 to Jul 1979, I never had a storing or misfire. An excellent weapon.
Yup I had an old FN in basics in 1976 with the wood butt, used to look at the black plastic handled R1's that started to appear and wondered if they were any better. I battled a bit with sighting in this rifle as I was left handed, my FN was pretty worn and had a few stoppages so the gas was turned up to somewhere around 2 to "fix" the stoppages !
You dudes were some bad ass MOFO's. Best around along with the RLI, SAS and RAR from your northern neighbours in Rhodesia.
When I was in the light infantry, we were taught to aim 6 inches above the centre mass for the round to drop centre and that was at all distances as long as you adjusted the rear sight to the corresponding distance. Our normal rear sight was placed at 300 for general battle conditions. Some years ago I was lucky enough to have a private tour of the Leeds armoury and held the FN serial number 1 !
I carried an FN in the Canadian Army, still my favourite rifle. Her name was "6L7362" and I miss her lol
Canadian Army? So you FN was plastic with cool decal stickers.
Got it. Thanks.
ROTFL!
Best rifle ever
@@eaglegrip6879 you do know the Canadian military has some of the worlds best warfighters, right?
@@MT-vw6pf
😂 good one ! Totally hilarious!
@@eaglegrip6879 thats not a joke man. Dudes actually do have certified badasses. Pretty sure a sniper of theirs owns for the worlds longest confirmed sniper kill
I'm attributing those misses to the rifle not being painted with yellow stripes and you not wearing shorty shorts...
I never wore shorts, I didn't have the legs! And there was the "wag 'n bietjie" bushes.
There's a gun channel host dedicated to short shorts out there...sorry it's not us though.
@@9HoleReviews and his name is James Reeves with TFB TV
Lol
I blame Remington ammo :p
lool although wasn't all the combat in Rhodesia at like point blank range, it was apparently really terrifying, you'd be walking quietly through brush and jungle and if you came around a corner and saw another person it was like a quick draw duel, a lot of innocent villagers were killed by accident at close range when the soldier didn't know who was coming. Every step you would take you would be listening to hear if there was someone else near by.
I was a British Paratrooper and we jumped with these SLRs as standard. Fits into two sleeves attached to the side of our kit bundle ("container"). Released in flight to dangle on a rope attached to our harnesses.
HALO jumpers didn't do that. They had the SLR attached to the side of the harness, under the left arm. They do this even with the GPMG (L7 - Brit version of the FN MAG). Land with it - but they're using ram air 'chutes.
In the early 1990s (and today), we were jumping this way with the SA80 and LSW, the latter which is roughly the same length as the SLR, despite the LSW being a bullpup. I imagine the reason why we didn't jump with the SLR this way was because the "pistol" grip of the LSW is nearer central to the length of the weapon, allowing for it to be more securely turned and braced for the landing impact.
SA80 can't beat the SLR except for quantity of amm carried, rate of firepower and ease of accuracy at closer ranges. SLR wins on everything else bar *full* cleaning on Ops.
I have a metal target (road sign thickness) that's had both 5.56mm and 7.62mm sent through it. There are dents from ricocheted 5.56mm but the ricocheted strikes of the 7.62mm punched through it neatly as though it was paper. With the SLR, we used to deliberately aim slightly low on the ETR (electric target range) 'cause ricochets would knock down the targets with lethal power. That had to stop when we went 5.56mm...
Go on the REG
The days of fun with a SLR fitted a SUIT sight out to 500 metres, no problem.
Fun days at lydd ranges 😊
@RULE.303
They were the days, I loved the slr, I got lumped with the lmg in N.Ireland, we worked the border areas, fun but hard work.
City foot patroling I had my trusty slr but kept the lmg mags, extra 40 rounds just in case.
Fired with both eyes open through battle sights, never missed the spot after learning that, thanks to the R.A. Marksman Training Team in Germany.
Fun times, great memories, fallen friends.
Yeah, I jumped with both the SLR and SA80.
This was my gun in the Greek Special Forse Green Berets in 1993-94. I will never forget it. Durable material with very little maintance. You could be all day long in hush conditions, humidity, mud and still be ready to fire.
226 ΕΣΣΟ Lesvos island 👍
I've fired literally thousands of rounds from the rifle. I know it inside out. I can remember when I had one put in my hands for the first time. From then on it was practically a part of my body. I could smash targets from 100 metres to 600 meters. Just a great reliable powerful rifle. Brings back sweet memories
I really dont understand why the British Army did not adopt an upgrade version of the fantastic rifle. The newer versions of it looks incredible. I understand that with the 5.56 there is the capacity to carry more ammunition, but this is off set by the range and the stopping power of the 7.62 mm round. When I was serving we were issued 100 rounds in five mags, along with all the additional webbing kit we had to carry it did amount to a significant weight but I still carried out live section attacks over a distance of some 1000 metres one after the other. With the 7.62 round targets can be twated at those greater distances without the need to bring a 'sharpshooter rifle' on board. On saying all that I do like the M16 and all it's variants. I used the M16 Also as a jungle weapon and found it a good reliable weapon, light, easy to clean and very cool with a 30 round mag, also the choice of semi auto and full auto capability. As we know the FAL has full auto capability but the SLR used by the British Army was single shot only. I think this version was adapted due to the British Army's thoughts on individual marksmanship whish has always Been held in high regard.
I don't like the choice of battle rifle the British Army use at the moment, I would prefer to use the American M16, M14 or one of it's variants rather than the SA80, which I have also had limted use of.
The British Special Air Service used the SLR extensively throughout the 1950's, 60's and 70's, using also the M16. Now I understand the M16 variants are used extensively by the SAS, and other specialized units of the British Army.
The regular forces of the British Army seem to use the SA 80 for all theatres, conventional, jungle etc, different from when I served, conventional was the SLR, jungle was the M16 (although again there was some use of the SLR in jungle environments.
Obviously jungle operations are generally confined to closer engagements with the enemy and the M16 is efficient for that purpose.
On reflection I have never lost my love for FN FAL/SLR.
FAL is an awesome rifle. Sadly we've also moved to the 5.56mm with the M16 in the Marines and IA2 in the Army. Altough the jungle units are still using the FAL and adopting the IA2 in 7.62x51mm
@@ThomasAdsumus Oh the jungle units and their big game caliber...🤣 Seems lot of hunting going on ground...hence why 7.62x51.
@@mikeyoung7660 1. 5.56mm became the standard NATO round. 2, Why? Because when you kill a man that's over, when you injure a man you take several off the field........well, that was the thinking, only problem is Russia don't play like us in that regard.
@@marksbikeexports5123 the "injury benefit" of 556 was never a feature but a consequence. The real reason why they went with an intermidiate cartridge was the fact that soldiers could carry twice the ammo than with battle rifles.
This rifle was standard issue to the Rhodesian security Forces. It was a bit heavy carrying it on patrol but when you needed to fire it in anger it gave you a warm feeling hearing the sound of this rifle compared to the" tuk-tuk-tuk" sound of the AK's shooting back at you!
I used this rifle when i was in the Australian army 35yrs ago , i love it , the right arm of the free world
Yeah Peter , the old L1A1 (SLR) was a great rifle to use (used it in the 1980s) while serving with 2/4 Bn RAR , i could easily hit targets out to 600m and earned my crossed rifles on it as well as the M16 (black plastic pop gun lmao) I would take the hitting power and range of the SLR over the M16 any day of the week.
I remember firing this rifle while I served in the New Zealand Army in 1981. I love this rifle. Very accurate. We could expect a bruised cheek from the rifles recoil when you first shot it.
@@chadhaire1711 It clearly is.
"FN FAL: perfect If you want to reach out and touch someone at 400m." - I heard a South African say once.
Awesome rifle, just loved it. South African Defense Force 1970's
@@tokolosh6467 My service rifle in the SADF back in the '80s.
I have to agree. Absolutely no problem at 400 yards.
I used the short barrel parabat version in the police in South Africa. It stops a car so nicely.
@@tokolosh6467 definitely. My R1 was 281447... still miss her today...
Reminds me of my sniper training in the SADF (1976), R1 rifle with iron sights. Sniper table started ar 700 meters _ run to 600 meters and do 10 push-ups. Run to 500 meters and take 5 prone shots. Run to 400 meters and do 10 push-ups. Run to 300 meters and take 5 prone shots. Run 100 meters take 5 kneeling shots. Run 50 meters take 5 standing shots. The first round was hilarious, only one guy (a permanent force Rhodesian), succeeded. The rest of us failed miserably. On a weekend pass, I gathered all the front sights and had them precision ground to a smaller diameter. The instructors allowed us one day with scopes to see where we were shooting but to qualify, we had to use iron sights. By the end of our training we were successful.
Absolutely loved the R1 (SA version of the FAL) It had such sweet balance. Only weak spot I ever found was the carry handle - had one break on me. Sad when replaced with the R4...
In the early/late 70's I took part in inter-regimental/corps competions and we fired our SLRs (UK version of FN FAL) at 100m, 200m, 300m and 600m. The 600m shoot was obviously from the prone position but unsupported, no rifle rests were allowed. We only used battle sights, but at 600m we did have a spotter. The targets were quite large, maybe > 1.5m x 1.5m, black outer, white inner. We also used Browning HP/GP 35 9mm pistols at 10m and 25m and Sterling 9mm SMGs at 25m, 50m, 75m and 100m.
A long time ago this was my personal weapon while I was in the Dutch army,I loved it.
Same here. She was a beast ❤
Love this piece of art. Used to be weapon of the Indian Armed Forces along with Lee Enfield 303 Ishapore .
The Rifle of the Free World.
Right Arm of the Free world. Anyway, if Henry was shooting with a scope there would've been no misses.
RIGHT HAND OF THE FREE WORLD
@@MrBillcale the one that you use ?
@@MrBillcale *Arm
@@ZFlyingVLover Suit sight
I love how there's no filler at all in these videos, they just skip straight into the good stuff
I’ve jumped with this rifle. I didn’t realise it would have been much safer with something a bit shorter in length. You always drop your load about 50ft from the ground anyway.
Making those targets with iron sights is very impressive.
Unbelievable actually.
Using the L1a1 SLR (British version of the FAL) in the early 1980s we used shoot at a standard NATO man size target at 600 yards with iron sights and hit consistently without much problem, even in wind. British Army knows how to teach marksmanship. Having shot the M14 and the L1a1 I’m afraid the M14 is very much bringing up the rear.
Shooting at that range after doing a 100 metre run in full webbing makes it harder to breath correctly! The it becomes unreal when you add in a noddy suit and respirator.
The m14 has 2 things going for it: 1. It’s got national match adjustable style sights…
2. Haha you don’t get any other choice because we have a massive untouched war stock of them and we’re cheap as heck!
M14 is accurate and is used to this day for precision competition and sniper school. 🤣 Never seen a Belgium Fal in a competition or win a match. 2-4 MOA if you're lucky.
@@jbloun911 the Fal wins wars.
Most people share that same feeling about the m14's objective inferiority
These videos are the only thing keeping me sane on deployment...Keep em coming!! G3/HK91 next!!!
Stay safe brother!
cjmj26 thank you for being a bad ass
@@user-lq1dk6gr3p You're more than welcome bud--my pleasure
Love the G3
When I arrived at Bragg in the late 80s we were jumping M16A1's and A2s which are only a bit shorter than the standard FAL (about 3 or 4 inches I think). It really wasn't that bad since the rifle itself was pretty light. Now jumping a M60, that's a beast. Almost broke a couple of ribs one night jumping Holland DZ during a mass tac. Had so many twists in my risers that when I finally had full canopy control there was the ground. No time to lower equipment and bam. Of course it beats jumping a mortar or mortar plate, LOL.
Put on your boots boots boots and parachutes chutes chutes...
Airborne, jumpmaster!
I served in A co 3/75. Had a guy ride his ruck to the ground and loose all his front teeth to a mortar base plate.
Kevin Stafford = No shit jumping the M60 sucked. I was a gunner in Panama with A co. Moatengators 1/508th INF (ABN). It sucked jumping with 600 rounds of blank ammo too. We had drop zones close to the jungles like Gatun DZ on the Atlantic side at Ft. Sherman JOTC which had water hazards. Venado on the Pacific side outside of Howard AFB we had the Pacific Ocean on the West where the aircraft approached West to East. Venado was a short DZ with a 15 second window. Hopefully our DZSO spotted the wind right and don't end up in the drink or go crashing into the jungle in the Black Palm, very nasty shit. Night jumps always sucked in Panama at 800 FT AGL. I found that jumping the m47 Dragon missile was very terrifying because the fucking thing was heavy and had to only jump it out the right door of a C-130 or 141. Tail gates were better on a Chinook or C-130 if I had to jump this motherfucker. It would punch me going out the door and the opening shock. It sucked being in the Weapons Squad too.
I am curious to hear arguments from everyone regarding weight of ammo. I load more 7.62 on my back because in a survival situation, I am out in the woods, away from society, I would rather take down an enemy before they smell me. From a battlefield perspective, I cannot speak. I do think the 5.56 is a nasty little bugger if you can maintain fire control and not lose site of the fact that ammo is a non-replenish able resource in most cases. The AK is a super reliable weapon and the 7.62X39 is a good compromise. It's about as accurate as reporters on CNN. I believe owning each of the most common caliber weapons makes sense. You never know who your enemy is going to be and once you kill them you should be able to make use of their resources. I will say that my FN is extremely accurate for me at 200 yards with iron sites I can put a quarter over my shot group in the standing position. Keep a tight sling, use the 8 steady hold factors and breathe.
Those original FAL sights are a masterpiece. Simple, easy to manufacture, robust and they DO THEIR JOB (looking at you para)
That must’ve been before DS ARMS. I love my sights visually. Accuracy is so bad it can’t be sighted.
The South African parabats jumped with this rifle. Amazing sensation on the shooting range - 40 guys firing at the same time.
40 semi auto rifles at once sounds like a sewing machine on steroids and louder. 😁😁
Your spotter is great.
The way he asks his questions really makes you think about your shot instead of winging it. Great team!
Great rifle still being carried by great nations.
Thanks for the kind comment!
Although South Africa largely replaced the FAL with the Galil, the remaining FALs were upgraded and are used as Designated Marksman rifles - an intermediate role between regular infantry and Sniper.
Fun stuff guys. I bought an FN-FAL about 25 years ago so this was fun to watch. I love your dedication to service rifles.
I was an Australian soldier in the 1970s and this was our rifle. Many of my friends who are range shooters ask how accurate these things were and I would say about 12 inches over 400 meters if you were a good shot. They are shocked. My Remington bla bla. Its simple. If you have an auto or semi auto battle rifle you have a simple choice. Better accuracy or better reliability. Military firearms get covered in sand ice snow and mud and dirt. You clean them twice a day but in the field in combat that is what happens. So for a reliable military auto firearm you sacrifice accuracy which is just not a problem as most combat rifle casualties are at close range.
Machine guns mortars artillery and "section or squad area fire" often called indirect or suppression fire is responsible for most longer range casualties. Suppression fire is the usual. You know about where they are and you fire intelligently at where you think they are most likely to be at a rate that will keep them from taking the initiative while not burning your ammo.You get some sometimes. If you have a bunch of ammo burn away. Usually you are holding them in place for a heavy weapon to engage their general location and evaporate them and the cover they are in. If you get the order to move in on them before this occurs you know you are all in trouble or that a flanking team has them suppressed. You hope. Go flanking team.
That is not because the rifle is inaccurate it is because a soldier in combat rarely gets a chance to line up a long range shot at an enemy combatant. You have to spot him at long range in his cammo, you have to get a good rest, you have to get him to stay vewy vewy still for you and you need to do your auto aiming and breathing and range estimation and all the time other people are trying to shoot you back. They frikkin very rarely co-operate like that unless they have already been shot.
Most sniper rifles are bolt actions for this reason although semi autos are getting used. However a sniper rifle semi auto is very expensive and made to tighter tolerances and would jam if in conditions that would not bother stock M4 or AKM or FAL
You know how the Fins made that awesome AK47 in 7.62 NATO and made it better by getting the tolerances closer and calling it the Valmet Hunter? They jam. We used to back up his 300 magnum Parker Hale in Buffalo hunting until we got sick of it jamming and went back to using a bolt. AK 47s were not sloppy because the Russians could not make a tighter tolerance. They deliberately made the tolerance what it was so the gun would not jam when dirty and would operate without oil if necessary. No oil will definitely help in dry dusty conditions where oil will create sludge and lead to jams. . (As much. They will still jam when full of crap. Anything will).
Do you think a dry lube like moly powder might work in the dirt?
@@jessiepinkman7736 Yes in desert environments it is the preferred thing to do. Oil just attracts the dust and it builds up on the working parts.
@@broncosgjn did you ever know anybody that tried such unusual lubricants? and how did they work? For a while in the 1980's, the Alaskan National Guard favored graphite for their M16's. Then it was discovered that graphite was all wrong for lubing aluminum, as it caused galling. So they stopped using graphite.
@@jessiepinkman7736 In the 70's we were told not to lubricate in high dust environments just to keep it clean and dust free. However I have used graphite and that worked fine. I understand the US army has introduced a product called DSL to replace the wet CSL in desert environments. You would have to ask the US guys how it works. Out SLR's (FM FAL) did not have the same level of jamming as the M16's. Our scouts used M16's due to the low weight and the ability of controllable full auto without the hammering and muzzle lift you get with 7.62 x 55 in the SLR.
This brilliant weapon was respected within the old SADF almost as much as the 1895 Mauser used in the Second Boer War. The real training started in the SADF from 300 to 500 meters.
Awesome weapon...i used it for two years in the SA Army between 1978 to 1980...carried it..shot with it..used it in actual contacts...awesome..all o can say..
We used these in the SADF up to the early 80's when the R4 (Galil) replaced it. Totally reliable and packed a nice punch.
It was totally unreliable in the sand which is why Israel ditched the Fal and created a much better rifle the Galil.
Just bought one of these and am super pumped to start playing with it.
I loved using the Brit version of the FAL....great weapon
We jump with full length M249's and 240B....Jumping with the full length wouldnt be fun but can be done
50 Stitches Steel haha dude I was a dirty leg the entire time in. Got to watch guys jump from C130/17’s but never got to go to jump school. I wish I got to.
@@9HoleReviews It should be tried at least once in your mil career but they dont give you enough extra pay for the ankle, knee, and back problems that eventually plague you lol
Please I've jumped a goose lol
50 Stitches Steel - yep. Australia’s 3 Battalion (para) jumped with the full length L1A1 SLR and the M60 Pig in the eighties. Saw a strap come loose on a M60 at Coen in North Queensland from the ground. It fell approx 750 feet. It did not end well for the Pig. 😂🇦🇺
@@MrGBHable I saw a few SLRs and M16s spear in over the years, can't recall seeing an M60 that would have been interesting. Most of my Jumps were with M60, a few with SLR and then some with M16A1 and 77 Set radio.
certainly brings back memories thank you gentlemen
As a former paratrooper jumping with this, I tell you it's a great and robust rifle all the way ...the sweetest thing on that FAL was that little handle up the top that rested the whole weight of the gun on our mil. belts on those endless marches (sling use was not aloud) !
That carring handle comes in handy on 5 mile march and shoot competition
@@ghadman1061 and people question why the slr has a carrying handle. It's used for carrying
You'll never miss...open sights up to a kilo...lovely to see her again
It's not a Practical Accuracy video unless Chan is walking up those stairs with the rifle slung
*Laughs in SLR*
Service in NI and the Falklands proved the SLR to be absolutely amazing~
was primarily issued with L1A1 SLR ( very similar to FN FAL) in the 80's was solid & totally reliable and preferred it to the later L85 when it came about, things didnt fall off the SLR constantly like my later issued IW either, one thing I distinctly remember from years past concerning the L1A1 while on the battalion shooting team was being forbidden to break open the rifle to clean it until after competitions were over, instead had to be content in slipping the pullthrough through the ejection port to clean the barrel and of course it was permitted to clean the gas parts, the reason given for this was that opening and closing the action would shift the weapons zero - which struck me as a youngster back then rather odd at the time, and the other thing is us brits did drop with them too -
@@ninorata1077 Fal served Argentina really well in the Falkland's, NOT. SLR in the hands of well trained Soldiers proved aimed fire is way more effective than Conscripts with a full Auto Weapon, unless you want to shoot a lot of rounds at clouds and lose a War.
@@DevilbyMoonlight yep, SLR is my all time favourite rifle. The L2A1 was a pleasure to shoot too, it's the full auto version we had with the foldout bipod foregrip.
@@bremnersghost948 Yeah, the full auto version was wasted on the argies. The Aussies had the right idea with a foldout bipod foregrip for their full auto version of the SLR(L2A1) and turning it to an LMG.
@Lats Niebling So did the New Zealander's.
I carried the FN L1A1 for about 10 years till the SA80 was introduced. It was like replacing a classic well built car with a mass produced one. The FN would work and work, was reliable, easy to clear stoppages, strip and clean. Your shooting is a good reflection of it's accuracy. Our Annual Personal Weapons test was to 300m and it would be difficult to miss a man size target. The British Paras carried and jumped with the full size rifle.
I had one of these at the range recently and was getting solid groups at 200 yards with peep sights. Fantastic, dependable rifles.
Love the FN FAL, its a beast of a weapon!! Love shooting it and never had any problems with it. Keep up te good work guys!! Awesome vids!
Greetings From Holland!
@@staatspresidentg.d.2554 tot een paar jaar terug werd hij nog gebruikt bij ons. Zo kom ik eraan
Dat klopt maar de FAL werd niet meer gebruikt als hoofdwapen maar voor neventaken. Bijv. een lijn over schieten tussen 2 schepen op zee.
Er werd dan een prop die leek op een dildo op het einde van de loop gezet, aan de prop zit een dunne lijn en die werd over geschoten naar het andere schip. Vandaar dat er nog FAL waren. Zo heb ik nog geschoten met een FAL maar dat is nu al meer dan 7jaar terug
Wel meer stopkracht maar 5.56 doet meer schade omdat de kogel zodra die in het lichaam komt gaat hij spinnen en twisten waardoor je meer schade doet en eventueel het doel eerder stopt. En 5.56 mag wel kleiner zijn maar heeft een betere penetratie
Jij zit bij de marine toch?, dan hadden jullie vroeger ook de uzi
Great shooting, 500yds iron sights is very tough. Great job.
Great video!
I have always loved the FN FAL and most of its variants. I just received the license for my DSA SA58 and will be doing some serious range work the coming weekend.
Keep up the awesome content.
Which country are you from?
This rifle and derivatives i found were fabulous to fire when you got the correct training ( ex military )..they required cleaning frequently ..proper lubrication (not lashings enough to ensure slick working parts ) i was lucky enough to be part of battallion shooting team so learned all the tricks..superb weapon..deadly accurate all way up the target distances
I loved my SLR British Army version of the FAL semi auto only but hated cleaning the gas plug
My father and Uncle used the SLR in Vietnam. My uncle was there when they switched to the m16. It wasn't a popular decision amongst the troops. My uncle got assigned to the M60. He said he was very relieved.
@@wufongtanwufong5579 I don't blame him 7.62 round compared with the 5.56 of the M16 Must admit I felt the same way when the British Army switched rifles to the SA80 . It took them years to sort out the problems with the SA80 too many small working parts and definitely not soldier proof best bit about the rifle was it came standard with a SUSAT sight for the infantry
@@daviddou1408 THE 5.56 is not too dissimilar to the old M1 carbine in that it's beloved cause its light, but the round has real problems with stopping power in action. I'm no expert but in thousands of real life soldier stories the complaints about enemy being hit multiple times with the M16 and they still keep going! Not always, of course, but very often: In Vietnam, Gulf war 1 and 2, Afghan et. al. these stories are everywhere, for instance, Chuck Taylor (The Vietnam vet who used to write for "SOF" magazine and did the Glock torture test) and Sgt David Bellavia ("House to house") in particular have accounts of hitting enemy multiple times, "no doubt about it" hits, AND THEY JUST KEPT GOING...as of now (Apr 2020) the US Army is testing 6.8 caliber bullets and the rifle to fire it, after 20 years of Forever Wars they've seen enough to convince them we need something heavier -
@@wufongtanwufong5579 they kept the slr. The m16 was for scouts commanders ans radio operators
Who remembers these !!
MARKSMANSHIP PRINCIPALS
1. The position and hold must be firm enough to support the firearm.
2. The firearm must point naturally at the target without physical effort.
3. Sight alignment must be correct.
4. The shot must be released and followed through without disturbance to the position.
@MARK JONES Meh, not so much, from a self taught shooter who started with an air rifle, graduating to .22LR, then the SLR in the TA(and straight into a heavily competitive shooting team and on to Bisley, as part of the team), it should all come quite naturally.
And our son aged from about 8 or 10, was also a good natural rifle shooter, unlike most/all of his peers, some of whom quite perplexed me, while others downright plumb plain frightened me.
@MARK JONES Mark, actually I was attempting to explain the complete opposite, that using a rifle, or pistol, should be intuitive, obviously fine tuned with the application of a modicum of intelligence through experience. BTW. our daughter looked rather ackward when attempting to use the same Daisy air rifle, since she was right handed, BUT with a strongly dominant left eye. Quite funny to watch her attempting to figure out where she was going wrong. A shootist Dad merely exposed them to the opportunity to use firearms at an early age.
@@marcusgault9909 I have the same "problem" as your daughter, and I adapted this "problem" to be my strongest point, back in the army days.
What I did was to ask for the smith to change the firing position to a left handed shooter, and I got my marks more consistently than with the right handed "version".
It was a mess at the start, though, because it felt awkward as hell, but with a few extra shooting sessions on my own at a range I paid for, I was performing better than my peers at the range in no time. It is easier to adjust your hands than your eye, specially when my right hand was WAY BETTER to keep my sight pointed at the target, while the left hand was stronger to push the stock into my shoulder, therefore making the gun EVEN MORE leveled and firm.
A few more sessions of training and she will do as good (or better, hehehe) than you guys!
@@sombraarthur I shot both Service Rifle and Target Rifle, back in the 1980's, I was moderately competitive, as in the best shot in the Queens OTC, well at least I won the shooting medal at our Annual Camp( also qualified for Bisley and winning some (team) shoots while there, but regardless a much better shot that I was, on our team, was very left handed and shot totally "kitter fisted" but shot VERY well with a standard right handed rifle, until he bought a leftie, a couple of blokes (if I recall correctly) had cross-over(or whatever you call them) stocks, so as to align the barrel with the master eye. Where there is a will there is a way. P.S. Our daughter was not interested in shooting.
@@marcusgault9909 massive respect!
You were WAy better as a shooter than I ever dreamed to be, LOL! I was just a consistent regular army shooter, nothing else. I can understand the struggle of your team mate, it was pretty much the same struggle I had, back in the army days. After the smith changed the necessary bits to the left, by the gods it all became easier.
And I sign under that statement of "where there is a will, there is a way". Shot my whole basic period in the army with that right handed rifle, only being adjusted to be a leftie way AFTER I was doing regular service. After a few training sessions, you get used to it, no matter what.
Too bad that your daughter was not interested in shooting. It must be a bit of disappointment for a shooter father.
Another great video guys of a classic battle rifle
I own one now and it’s my favourite
Carried one for 9 years in the 70,s in the British army 👍
Hey boys, from central ks USA I send you thanks for all you guys sevice. It's fun reading your comments. Living in the U.S. I've shot hundreds of guns over the past 55 years and maybe into the thousands. In the 50s and 60s surplus was widely available and cheap. My dad had most anything you can think of at one time or another. Did some competitive pistol shooting. Great times. But have only shot one fnfal so far. Interesting weapon. God bless you one and all.
We used to fire the FN in the Irish reserves here in Ireland. Irish UN soldiers had them in the Congo.
@ 72mossy: I haven't yet seen it - I would like to do so - but there is a film from 2016 about it called "The Seige of Jadotville." Upon hearing about it, I was somewhat humbled. I've been a military historian a long time, but had never heard of the Jadotville incident or its role in the Congo crisis. Guess it is one of the neat things about history - there's always something new to learn, something you don't yet know. The troops at Jodotville used L1A1s (SLRs), if my info is correct.
Loved the SLR when I was in army 500 yards or 600 yards was no problem with iron sites ,don’t forget it was an individual weapon out to 600 yards then a section weapon out to 1200 yards that was mostly just suppressing fire mind ,but you could get the occasional hit
Thanks for reminding me why I love my FAL! Nice shooting.
Excellent video and excellent shooting skills. The FAL is a awesome rifle as standard. With a half decent small scope dialled in, its a beast.
Also, you made me check my phone a dozen times with that vibrating noise before I realized it was the video.
Great video! Can you do a video on the Hk 91 or PTR-91? Thanks again & good job!
Ah, nostalgia!
Takes me back to my service in UK.
Elephant rifle....
At distance whatever it hits isn't running away.
As you rightly said, the length was it's only concern especially for CQB or vehicles.
This is a superb battle rifle and like all veterans of this rifle's era I mourn its passing!
Itd be interesting to see a series where you revisit the same rifles but with optics and compare results. Obviously we all know that optics will increase performance but by how much exactly would be insightful.
L1A1 maybe, with and without its Trilux sight....
This is one of my favorite guns
My DSA “Cold Warrior” FAL came in today. So far, I’m happy with it!
Thanks, it s very transparent to do a accuracy shoot with the wind ripping. Kudos.
Esse armamento é excepcional! Saudações BR !
Wooden stock SLR (L1A1) was my personal weapon in the Australian Army for nearly 20 years.
One thing you shouldn't do is rest the magazine on the ground/bench or hold it in any way, causes miss feeds.
When given the choice of this, the M16 or even the steyr, most would choose the SLR. Even if you just "wing" teh target, they go down like a bag of shit.
Target will fall when hit.
That guy has some serious skills, well done. I have used SLR's and we now use the EF88 and I can say for accuracy it beats it like it was a red headed stepchild so much so the scoring area now is 1/3 of what we used for the SLR's.
Timg ,Fondly remember the hot case down the back of the neck on the firing point. Our range points seemed perfectly spaced for the eject distance. Licking phosphor matches for cleaning gas plugs was a bit gipping but did the job. Bloody good gat. L85A1 was a shock when first received with the bits dropping off, however I will say that once you had "tuned" yours it was accurate. IF it fired!
Carried an SLR for twenty years, a must, if possible “ bore sight” the rifle, and correctly zero it, remember your “ marksmanship principals
"...Can't imagine to jump with this!...." Well, my Father is laughing at you.
I was in the Infantry for 18 years and when I first got in we used the FNC1 and C2. The PWT started at 600 with a run down to 25 m. Kill 'em all.
Super interesting test! I could never realize the different effectiveness btw the two types of rear sight. Now I could "touch with my eyes", so to speak :)
I used to have one of them 40 years ago in the T.A. Pity I had to give it back.
Shouldve adopted this instead of the M14
Should've adopted the AR-10 instead of either
The only reason the m14 was chosen over the fal is cause it wasn’t made in the us and back in the day that mattered for some reason
@@friedchikenuser
troops: We want FAL
Ordinance Department: we have FAL at home
FAL at home:
@@thegoldencaulk2742 Yep, so stupid that we didn’t adopt it. The AR10 was way better than anything else on the market at the time
You can blame Asshole by the of Rene Studler for that. And if I was(definitely not one) his descendent; I would never admit it.
I had one of these for awhile and loved it.
Great video guys! Respect from Cyprus!
So much with iron sights. Impressive!!
Desmontava e montava o FAL de olho fechado. Não sei quantos tiros efetuei, foram muitos. EB 38 BI - Brasil. Excelente fuzil.
I used to close both of my eyes instinctively when firing the L1A1 SLR, I broke a pair of glasses on the rear iron sight back in the day, so this is impressive!!
I watched this vid a couple of years ago and have wanted a FAL ever since... Actually wanted it before that! Finally getting my chance for a DS Arms Cold Warrior, super excited!!! It's a Legend!
Where is the neutrilized? Awesome gun though!
We have to tell Josh that it has been sorely missed.
Thats a key feature of watching you vids. Hearing that neutrilized. Your awesome!
Gun?
excellent shooting. Not sure why you dont have more subscribers and views..
Not really!
Takes me back to my army days, awesome weapon. You just knew you could stop a man with the FN.
What a beautiful rifle old memories always present.
Still my favourite rifle....7.62 mm accurate at 400 m never missed .
I have nothing but respect for this weapon.
Great Rifle... And yes id choose the SLR over any other.
That was our issue in South Africa in the mid 70's its a great rifle. Mine had a wood stock which made it a bit heavy.
The best video on range ever!
My first thought is, I wish I had access to a range like this
I was a British Army Reservist for 23 years, I found that 7.62 mm Self Loading Rifle, ( variant of the Belgian FAL )
Manufactured under license in the UK , I have jumped with this weapon, much to chagrin of the two muppets in the video. I have literally fired thousands and thousands of rounds on the range and found it to be a great weapon, for accuracy, and reliability in almost all weather conditions.
Still today, it would be my rifle of choice. Well Done Fabrique National.
You may have jumped with the SLR but it was strapped to your container.
@@johnwiddowson5695 True. Not "Pop" Widdowson by any chance?
Well done. Great shooting. Beautiful rifle.
We had the L1A1 SLR version of the FN and it was almost universally loved by squaddies (unlike its replacement the L85 A1 which was a piece of crap) ,the furthest we ever fired at on the range was 400 yards, so I was well impressed by that shooting.
Going back to the differences that good rear irons can make, I'd be interested to see how both the M16A1 and the M16A2 would do here (in semi-auto guise, of course). I know that there's other differences between these two rifles but I wonder how tough it would be to get hits with the A1 carry handle sights vs the A2?
With 18 year old eyes, I could get 6 inch groups at 300 yards with my issued FNC1.
I miss my FN.
I carried it 6 years. loved it. you need (a lot of) trigger time be proficient with it.
I still have one privately. Argie para version. shorter barrel., folding stock.
I own that rifle, and love it, and can hit a target at 600 yards all day long. Probably one of the best rifles I have ever owned and will not sell it unless I'm in dire need.
It's never the rifle, it's the shooter. I'm tired of people saying what accurate and all this.. take good care of yourself and your rifle and Zero, Zero, Zero your rifle. 💯
yep some people just got it and others no matter how you tell it and try to train them, they just don't get it, Carlos Hathcock said the same thing, country boys who got taught hot to shoot are better than city boys, unless they are hunters and go hunting, its that simple people, if your trained properly from the start and the military will train your right the first time, they don't have the time to baby sit you, you either have it or you don't, i have it was trained when i was 14 years old in the cadets and scored a 98/100 at 400 yards with the same rifle L1A1 used in the AU army and then got a chance to shoot at a practice event F/Class boys and scored a 48/50 from 800 yards to 1,200 yards and thats with the AR15/M16 or 5.56 / .223 round, Customised or course, but the point is i don't have a gun licence or shooters licence and have not shot a weapon system for over 35 years yet scored a 48/50 - 35 years later, so again trained up and never ever forgot the basics, Plus only found out 3 months ago my right eye has a cataract over it ,thus if my right eye was fixed i probably would have scored even better, still i did not know that my right eye had cataract on it, so cant wait till it fixed which should be in a few months as soon as the caronvirus event is over ?
I would love to see you do this with a G3/HK91 for comparison. Good shooting.
Side note: The only proper way to shoot that FAL is in your rompers, minus 5 points for improper equipment LOL
This weapon is unbelievable also with an average scope is even more deadly my personal experience in my military service also I was equipped with the sterling sub machine gun loved them both..nice one guys 5 star example
FN FAL , one of the best rifles to learn and higly acurate , the dutch navy still used them in 2006 .
Also the dedicated FALO conversion was wonderfull . full auto rifle with wooden grips. . I loved that thing.