Have had an StG.58 for many years now. A local guy and his son built it as part of a lot of 20+ matching parts kits with Steyr barrels, but they needed DSA to time the barrel, which they did do but the barrel's rotation is such that muzzle devices are noticeably "off." Still delivers 1 1/2 - 2 3/4" groups at 200 yards with the purpose-made surplus Austrian ammo I primarily used. Surprisingly svelte and handy for such a long rifle.
I got my first FAL earlier this year, a DSA 16" para FAL and so far it's been great! I grew up loving FN FALs and HK G3s and I'm thrilled to finally own American-made versions of both, DSA FAL and two PTR 91s. I waited a long time for them but now I'm in (clone) NATO battle rifle heaven! 🤗 Really enjoy your videos, man. Keep 'em coming!
My 1st FAL was a Century Arms. My son still has it. My current FAL is a Springfield Armory SA4800. My dream FAL is that sexy congo para with the sweet forearm you used in your videos!
Have had my DSA Bush Warrior for 3 years now, no complaints with the rifle itself and it's performance, it eats any ammo you feed it, very reliable, accuracy is good too. Definitely need to get some spare parts for it, but it runs like a champ!!! Good stuff bru!!!
I have a DSA 16" preban carbine. It has never failed me. No stoppages, no failures. I do keep spare parts just in case but haven't had to use them. I'm considering building a para type using DSA parts and, years ago, built a long barrel DSA FAL as a DSR. Ended up selling it but it worked reliably too. I just didn't need or want a long barrel version. The 16" FAL is all shock and awe. Hard hitting 308 and shockingly loud. Definitely guaranteed to stun anyone in close quarters. Best part to replace on a DSA is the handgrip. Replace the classic FAL handgrip with the SAW handgrip from DSA. Very nice and comfortable. If you want to check out customized FALs, look at Vandenberg Guns out of Texas. He makes unique FALs in multiple calibers.
Thanks for the info on Vandenberg. I have to look into their muzzle brakes for sure. Yes, the 16" Para is a hard hitter and loud. But who cares, suppress it or wear ear pro :-) . I got my OSW suppressed and it's very quiet now, considering the 308 platform. Awesome to hear that your DSA runs. And yes, the SAW style grip is a big improvement, need to get that one on my 16" Para.
DSA was good when they were still making them from imported parts kits. Once they started to make their own parts is when reliability issues started being reported. It's like when Spingfield Armory ran out of G.I. surplus parts and started making their own with castings to keep costs down and quality suffered. Like domestic AK's, this is a learning curve tnat companies are going to have to spend a lot of time trying to over come.
I've got 2 of them. The first one is an Imbel Full size with top carry and nippy. The second one is A DSARMS FN-FAL 18" Para Congo with extended everything 😊😊 top handle and bipod. Can't say enough about both of them 😉
15 years ago DSA was using rusted surplus internals and told you to deal with it when you complained. I stayed away from them and now have an Imbel and a SAR 4800 Match, German G1 and Moses mags.
On different video (the one about the BRS stock), I complained about bolt-over-base malfunctions with my PARA. I got the RMA number and it goes back tomorrow. I'm also having it fit with a standard PARA stock and a standard knob charging handle (the folding one is very hard on the hand), and also having DSA do a trigger job on it. We'll see what happens.
Great setups! If I can get the funds one day I would set the standerd R1 up as a dmr with a scope, the para wth the standerd folding stock and an ACOG and the OSW with the Eotech.
I've had their 16in IBC for almost 5 years now and haven't had any issues. Had it cerakoted in baby poop and now the trigger sometimes sticks instead of resetting. Not a DSA problem, but I need to get it figured out.
I originally bought my 18" para from DSA around 2012. It was an abject POS. The magazine seat/shelf/whatever in the front of the mag well was comically out of spec and caused a huge amount of bolt-over-base failures. Additionally, the gas system was wildly out of spec and it was shitting an absurd amount of gas. To top it all off the SEAR was kinda fucked and when combined with it's out-of-spec gas system caused multiple string fires. Feed ramps were razor sharp and would slice through the neck of cartridges where they would then get hung up. So overall mine was absolutely terrible. I had to send it off to Arizona Response Systems (Gunplumber) to get it disconfuckulated. IDK where DSA is at right now but they got into the FAL game by purchasing some really clapped out second-hand Steyr tooling which caused a ton of QA issues. After getting the rifle back from Arizona Response Systems it's been perfect. I've got well over 10k rounds through it with nary an issue and I barely ever clean the thing.
I learn combat with the FAL, but lately I had to use a 5.56, and it’s a big difference on handling the new one, very light weight and easy to maneuver and yes, you can 💀 with the 5 too. But FAL is my first choice.
the 7.62 FAL is awesome, no doubt. If properly upgraded it is still a very viable platform but in its stock configuration with no aftermarket accessories it would not be my first choice of weapon
7:43 BREN mag springs don’t “wear out.” The BREN is designed to feed upside down, so the spring doesn’t need to push the cartilages up, gravity assists.
This type of Bren mag does. It was converted from the factory to fit metric FALs and has a dofferemt spring in it. I should have specified that in the video.
DSA FALs only are able to use DSA magazines I’ve noticed. Surplus don’t seem to feed right. And when I use dsa mags in my Imbel FAL they don’t work either. Had to modify them to work. All surplus work in my Imbel. Other than that they seem to be pretty decent.
I have not had that issue. I run a wide variety of surplus mags, mostly South Africans and Austrians, and they run like a charm. Cannot complain about it.
Thank you for the support from Argentina. I always enjoy seeing the FAL in service with your armed forces. A testament for the durability and accuracy of the rifle!
I wish I could get my hands on a modernized FAL with a full pic rail and mlok or quad rail handguard. I can’t imagine why any manufacturers would make any rifle without a full length pic rail and handguard with either Mlok or quad rail?
Can you do the same for the LM series, I believe you have the LM6 and an updated LM5. Would be very interesting to campare them with the ar15 as a regular-every-day-shtf weapon
I’ve seen reports that people have had issues with parts breakages on ds arms rifles that had both the para stock and railed dust cover, like there was an issue with that particular combination of accessories
@@thefalguy9848SCAR-H mags are FAL mags without the front and rear locking lugs, and the mag catch hole cut on the side of the mag well. For a while back in 2000s, when SCAR-H mags were unobtainable, people modified FAL mags by trimming off the locking lugs and add the mag catch hole.
Why are you not the fal DSA guy ? Cant understand! You are the Gun Jesus of the FAL mate.. here in uk i used to own a L1A1 but they were banned to make us more safe😮
Properly made G3 pattern rifles are considered more robust, (they're one of the few guns that can be found soldiering on next to ancient AKs), PTRs are quite economical, and the mags are far more common and cheap. They also have great sights and shoot well. That said, they are a nightmare to clean, and nowhere near as user friendly as the FAL. People who think the AR platform gets dirty have never had to detail a roller delayed weapon. And being someone who cleans after every range session or hunting trip, I keep the hard to clean rifles in the locker. Still, they're both excellent in their own right. But if it were me, I'd lean towards a FAL Para or OSW, if only because I know I'd stop using the G3 pattern: their actions just suck so much filth back into the receiver.
It’s weird because it seems you spend more money on guns instead of ammo. It’s a bizarre concept to me and I just came to that realisation right here on the toilet.
This is why its a great idea to keep a stash of common replacement parts for things that routinely break, like extractors. Firing pins, too.
Agreed. Goes for any weapon platform!
Have had an StG.58 for many years now. A local guy and his son built it as part of a lot of 20+ matching parts kits with Steyr barrels, but they needed DSA to time the barrel, which they did do but the barrel's rotation is such that muzzle devices are noticeably "off." Still delivers 1 1/2 - 2 3/4" groups at 200 yards with the purpose-made surplus Austrian ammo I primarily used. Surprisingly svelte and handy for such a long rifle.
Ive been running my 21 inch in several configurations over the past 6 years, and probably 6k rounds. Does everything I want it to!
Awesome
Glad that DSA still make FALs.
So am I...!
I got my first FAL earlier this year, a DSA 16" para FAL and so far it's been great! I grew up loving FN FALs and HK G3s and I'm thrilled to finally own American-made versions of both, DSA FAL and two PTR 91s. I waited a long time for them but now I'm in (clone) NATO battle rifle heaven! 🤗
Really enjoy your videos, man. Keep 'em coming!
Awesome, glad to hear you like it. The 16" Para is such a versatile rifle and always a banger.
My 1st FAL was a Century Arms. My son still has it. My current FAL is a Springfield Armory SA4800.
My dream FAL is that sexy congo para with the sweet forearm you used in your videos!
Yeah, I too wish DSA would make the picatinny rail again!
Always enjoy your videos. Looking forward to your accuracy video
Coming soon!
Have had my DSA Bush Warrior for 3 years now, no complaints with the rifle itself and it's performance, it eats any ammo you feed it, very reliable, accuracy is good too. Definitely need to get some spare parts for it, but it runs like a champ!!! Good stuff bru!!!
awesome! Hope it will keep on running!
@@thefalguy9848 Oh yeah its great!!!
I have a DSA 16" preban carbine. It has never failed me. No stoppages, no failures. I do keep spare parts just in case but haven't had to use them. I'm considering building a para type using DSA parts and, years ago, built a long barrel DSA FAL as a DSR. Ended up selling it but it worked reliably too. I just didn't need or want a long barrel version.
The 16" FAL is all shock and awe. Hard hitting 308 and shockingly loud. Definitely guaranteed to stun anyone in close quarters.
Best part to replace on a DSA is the handgrip. Replace the classic FAL handgrip with the SAW handgrip from DSA. Very nice and comfortable.
If you want to check out customized FALs, look at Vandenberg Guns out of Texas. He makes unique FALs in multiple calibers.
Thanks for the info on Vandenberg. I have to look into their muzzle brakes for sure.
Yes, the 16" Para is a hard hitter and loud. But who cares, suppress it or wear ear pro :-) . I got my OSW suppressed and it's very quiet now, considering the 308 platform. Awesome to hear that your DSA runs. And yes, the SAW style grip is a big improvement, need to get that one on my 16" Para.
I picked up an sa58 16 inch about 4 years ago. Got a couple thousand rounds through it and haven’t had issues. Eats whatever I put through it
Awesome!
My dsa ran like trash from the factory, took some tuning and polish work on the extractor and feed ramp, runs perfect now
Quality👌🏼 as always
DSA was good when they were still making them from imported parts kits. Once they started to make their own parts is when reliability issues started being reported. It's like when Spingfield Armory ran out of G.I. surplus parts and started making their own with castings to keep costs down and quality suffered. Like domestic AK's, this is a learning curve tnat companies are going to have to spend a lot of time trying to over come.
I agree. Initially, their parts and quality control was bad. But over the years DSA did improve and so far, I cannot complain with the rifles I got
I've got 2 of them. The first one is an Imbel Full size with top carry and nippy. The second one is A DSARMS FN-FAL 18" Para Congo with extended everything 😊😊 top handle and bipod. Can't say enough about both of them 😉
awesome, glad you like yours! 18" Para is an interesting concept, I have to look into that!
15 years ago DSA was using rusted surplus internals and told you to deal with it when you complained. I stayed away from them and now have an Imbel and a SAR 4800 Match, German G1 and Moses mags.
Well, stuff changed since "15 years ago"...
Sounds like you've had good luck with them. Props for getting good round counts on them hard to do with the cost of 308
I had a little issue with mine but the customer service was flawless😊
I have a 16 jungle warrior para from the first batch when they were introduced and love it
On different video (the one about the BRS stock), I complained about bolt-over-base malfunctions with my PARA. I got the RMA number and it goes back tomorrow. I'm also having it fit with a standard PARA stock and a standard knob charging handle (the folding one is very hard on the hand), and also having DSA do a trigger job on it. We'll see what happens.
Oh sweet. Let me know how the upgraded rifle will perform! Yeah that other video got taken down, thanks to YT.
Great setups!
If I can get the funds one day I would set the standerd R1 up as a dmr with a scope, the para wth the standerd folding stock and an ACOG and the OSW with the Eotech.
Good choice!
Hopefully they have fixed all the problems ! FUN TIMES AHEAD !
Looks like it to me.
I've had their 16in IBC for almost 5 years now and haven't had any issues. Had it cerakoted in baby poop and now the trigger sometimes sticks instead of resetting. Not a DSA problem, but I need to get it figured out.
I originally bought my 18" para from DSA around 2012. It was an abject POS. The magazine seat/shelf/whatever in the front of the mag well was comically out of spec and caused a huge amount of bolt-over-base failures. Additionally, the gas system was wildly out of spec and it was shitting an absurd amount of gas. To top it all off the SEAR was kinda fucked and when combined with it's out-of-spec gas system caused multiple string fires. Feed ramps were razor sharp and would slice through the neck of cartridges where they would then get hung up.
So overall mine was absolutely terrible. I had to send it off to Arizona Response Systems (Gunplumber) to get it disconfuckulated. IDK where DSA is at right now but they got into the FAL game by purchasing some really clapped out second-hand Steyr tooling which caused a ton of QA issues.
After getting the rifle back from Arizona Response Systems it's been perfect. I've got well over 10k rounds through it with nary an issue and I barely ever clean the thing.
I learn combat with the FAL, but lately I had to use a 5.56, and it’s a big difference on handling the new one, very light weight and easy to maneuver and yes, you can 💀 with the 5 too. But FAL is my first choice.
the 7.62 FAL is awesome, no doubt. If properly upgraded it is still a very viable platform but in its stock configuration with no aftermarket accessories it would not be my first choice of weapon
I like 18" barrels the most. 16" are loud.
7:43 BREN mag springs don’t “wear out.” The BREN is designed to feed upside down, so the spring doesn’t need to push the cartilages up, gravity assists.
This type of Bren mag does. It was converted from the factory to fit metric FALs and has a dofferemt spring in it. I should have specified that in the video.
DSA FALs only are able to use DSA magazines I’ve noticed. Surplus don’t seem to feed right. And when I use dsa mags in my Imbel FAL they don’t work either. Had to modify them to work. All surplus work in my Imbel. Other than that they seem to be pretty decent.
I have not had that issue. I run a wide variety of surplus mags, mostly South Africans and Austrians, and they run like a charm. Cannot complain about it.
Well I have had said issues. Im not the only one that has either.
Im planning to buy my first FAL, which one do you recommend?
Either go with the classic 21" FAL or the 16" Para. Both are fantastic firearms and are classics.
Hola spy de argentina y como sabras somos fanaticos del fal asi que siermpre miro tus videos son geniales gracias por compartirlos saludos!!
I wish we could get FM rifles in the US again. Argentina made some really slick FALs.
Thank you for the support from Argentina. I always enjoy seeing the FAL in service with your armed forces. A testament for the durability and accuracy of the rifle!
I wish I could get my hands on a modernized FAL with a full pic rail and mlok or quad rail handguard. I can’t imagine why any manufacturers would make any rifle without a full length pic rail and handguard with either Mlok or quad rail?
DSA makes full-length MLOK rails for the FAL. So das VLTOR
Mine have been great! No issues.
Any experience with rifles built by Arizona Response Systems?
Probably the best fals available.
I have a Congo from ARS built via IMBEL parts and STG58 parts. It’s a sweet mamajama.
Can you do the same for the LM series, I believe you have the LM6 and an updated LM5. Would be very interesting to campare them with the ar15 as a regular-every-day-shtf weapon
Yes, that is planned.
Nice colour scheme, brings back memories. Sorry about your uncle, all Saints rock.
Life happens, appreciate the words. His memory and his deeds will not be forgotten.
And yes, the camo scheme is a classic one.
I’ve seen reports that people have had issues with parts breakages on ds arms rifles that had both the para stock and railed dust cover, like there was an issue with that particular combination of accessories
I have not heard of that issue. I got 4 FALs with railed dust covers, 3 have folding stocks and I have not experienced any issues with them.
I’ve had no problems with my DSArms FAL.
Is that a scar 17 mag on the second FAL rifle in the video?
No, metric FAL mag with a DSA floorplate
@@thefalguy9848SCAR-H mags are FAL mags without the front and rear locking lugs, and the mag catch hole cut on the side of the mag well.
For a while back in 2000s, when SCAR-H mags were unobtainable, people modified FAL mags by trimming off the locking lugs and add the mag catch hole.
@@htdang6075 I also remember seeing a guy modifying a SCAR mag to work with an FAL. I have to try that!
Why are you not the fal DSA guy ? Cant understand! You are the Gun Jesus of the FAL mate.. here in uk i used to own a L1A1 but they were banned to make us more safe😮
I need a fal for my g3
I had an sa58 16". Was not good. Had to return to the factory twice would not cycle reliably.
Did they fix it?
@@thefalguy9848the second time yes but I sold it shortly after it came back from the factory. I didn't consider it a reliable rifle any longer.
I wish they would used a forged receiver and actually had steel magazines
believe it or not DSA has forged receivers. And they got steel mags in stock right now.
RIP Oom
one day….. one day. between a g3 and fal i am torn
FAL all the way. Way cooler than a G3. And more aftermarket products - except when it comes to mags
Properly made G3 pattern rifles are considered more robust, (they're one of the few guns that can be found soldiering on next to ancient AKs), PTRs are quite economical, and the mags are far more common and cheap. They also have great sights and shoot well. That said, they are a nightmare to clean, and nowhere near as user friendly as the FAL. People who think the AR platform gets dirty have never had to detail a roller delayed weapon. And being someone who cleans after every range session or hunting trip, I keep the hard to clean rifles in the locker.
Still, they're both excellent in their own right. But if it were me, I'd lean towards a FAL Para or OSW, if only because I know I'd stop using the G3 pattern: their actions just suck so much filth back into the receiver.
IMBEL is the best.
Welp DS Arms got selective fire variants so maybe?
It’s weird because it seems you spend more money on guns instead of ammo. It’s a bizarre concept to me and I just came to that realisation right here on the toilet.
Hah, my ammo bill is crazy. But I do want to have good looking and functioning firearms too.
No it has a cast receiver .
They have forged receivers. Believe it or not...
@@thefalguy9848 on which models