1st gen KTM DUKE is still a BANGER in 2023
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- Опубліковано 9 чер 2024
- After owning both KTM 390 and 200 Duke bikes (and 690 for good measure) I have some thoughts about these bikes pros and cons, handling, problems and reliability issues which might be interesting for people who are interested in these motorcycles. Here is my detailed long term owners review of KTM 390 Duke and 200 Duke.
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A little info about me. My name is Andrei Bodrov, originally I'm from Moscow, Russia, and now I live in Buenos Aires, Argentina. Back in Moscow I was a motorcycle instructor and creator of Moto Control Beginner & Advanced motorcycle rider courses, which quickly became the most popular courses in Moscow (well, at least the advanced one😁). My advanced training course makes emphasis on slow speed riding techniques at first (such as good clutch and throttle control, proper riding posture, proper use of vision, etc.), then proceeds to more advanced techniques (such as aggressive braking, trail braking, maximal lean angle). The course incorporates a lot of exercises from DOSAF slow speed riding (similar to police rodeo like motorcycle training in USA), braking and cornering exercises and motogymkhana style riding. And now, since I actively learn English - I decided to post some useful videos for both your and mine practice!😉
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Since everyone writes this, it's necessary, I suppose 🤷, so here we go. Disclaimer: Ride at your own risk, you are responsible for your own safety. Me, Andrey Bodrov and my channel, Moto Control disclaim any liability incurred in connection with the use of riding techniques from this channel. Use common sense, wear full protective gear and ride in a safe and predictable manner!
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This guy provide some of the best riding content. 💯
By far. Can also justify his statements with actual information and technical knowledge.
Best bike trainer I have seen on UA-cam, better than many I had in real life too.
Ive been riding my KTM390 for 10 years now. I love it. Downsized from riding heavier 600cc bikes. I agree with everything you say about them. Been watching your videos to get help with riding mine at slow speeds
When you downsize everyone thinks you’re crazy or broke, until they see you having so much fun with so much less that they begin to understand.
Another exceptionally well produced video. Your production quality keeps getting better and better! A clean and concise script is the best to date. Image quality and editing all first class. You clearly enjoy making these and we enjoy that you share them. 👍👍
Thank you, you're too kind 😊
Best video and motorcycle instructor Around.
I’ve already purchased your videos and courses but I hope the’ll be further intermediate and advance course materials available in the future. I’ll pick up my 200 Duke tomorrow and will spend next few months improving my skills following your method. Thanks for the objective review of the bike Andrei.
Another great video Andrei, keep it up mate!
Your burnout didn't even leave any rubber on the ground. Manufacturers should be ashamed of not taking new rider's primary safety more seriously.
Thank you for the review! Has been waiting it for a long time
Im pleasantly surprised by the quality of your content!! Amazing! I'm digging your videos now :)
Thanks!
Andrei, what a fantastic video. Small bikes are more true motorcycles than behemoths for experienced riders and to hear this from a guy who knows what he's talking about and a motorcycle tutor is definitely the need of the hour. Truly, this video was supposed to have come by 2012 when the Duke 200 was launched. You should review bikes as a side hustle, putting them though proper paces.. Saludos!
Gracias! Maybe I will do that on occasion😄
@@MotoControlEn 😍
Hey Andrey!
Great video and I fully agree, I just sold my GT650(didn't find any particular place in my heart, nice bike, but nothing special) and "downgraded" to my all time favorite, a Bandit 400.
For similar reasons, light, nimble, very easy to use, good fuel economy, does everything well.
and all the nay sayers, after 5 minutes spin around the block join the quest to get their own 400 bandit lookalike.
Anyway keep the awesome work, best wishes from Slovenia.
1 "thumbs Up" does not do this justice! Terrific, thorough job; this deserves 10 "Thumbs Up", as I can't recall a more in-depth, yet succinct motorcycle Review. THANKS - for this ... and for ALL that you've taught ... And, btw, I completely agree with your perspective(s). Bravo !!!
Thank you, I tried something new this time and glad you liked it 😊
First bike on the road was the 390 Duke which I rented. Loved it so much i bought the 390 Adv. It's fair to say it never gets old!
You are doing great work mate. 👏👏
Hola, Andrei. Great content! Will defo be buying your tutorials when I finally got my first bike. And guess which one? That's right, 😆 Top man. Greetings from Poland, brother🙏🏼
This is a GREAT review and what one as a noob wants to see! I'd really love to see a review like that on a Honda xblade 160 (idk if it is available in Buenos Aires)
Your videos made me consider this bike ❤
Awesome video as always Andrei! Quality getting better and better.
About tires, I still don't understand why brands here insist on using MRF or Eurogrip. I get that they lower costs but considering how insane prices are already I'm not sure asking people to change new tires is good. And in many cases it's necessary.
It's particularly bad for beginners as it prevents them from training safely and with confidence. On the upside, if they can keep the bike from sliding with this they can become masters of grip.
Yes, exactly my thoughts!
That puppy didn't even flinch! What a champ
Loving your content, sir! I also have Duke 200 for 3 years now, enjoyed every second when I'm on the bike ☺️
Completely agree, it's awesome!
Make more videos for duke gen 1 series. I love it❤
I have had three of these bikes, the 1st gen, which oddly enough came equipped with Continentals and semi metallic brake pads more than a decade ago, the NG and the 250 NG, which largely disappointed me with its 25 extra kgs, sluggish acceleration and those Rev-Z criminally incompetent tires 😂.
The 1st gen was a blast for me, I traveled through back roads a lot at that time, enjoying my time riding, eating at places on the side of the road, making fun of my friends riding 600’s constantly runing out of fuel, all the while running minimal risk from the contained back road speeds. Not one spill on that bike either.
I’m really tempted to buy another one of those just for shits and giggles.
I almost forgot, that 1st gen bike developed a head gasket oil like at 1500 km which pissed me up quite a bit but isn’t that serious tbh.
My friend bought duke 390 first gen version used few days ago. He has to change the instrument console which is damaged due to exposure to sunlight which is a common issue. And it heats up due to indian conditions which is manageable. Other than that he is enjoying the bike. This machine is just raw power🔥. Breaks are awesome. Best under 400cc single cylinder motorcycle hands down. 🧡
Best review on the internet
Totally agree with your “philosophy”. I’m certainly a small-bike man. 225cc and 125cc in my garage! Les in UK
His voice reminds me of review machines worldwide.
Funny thing that I learn to ride with the dude that appears in the 10:32.
Well. Learn to ride its quite generous. I just pass the driving test thanks to him. But when I went out to the streets I didnt even knew how to use the clutch lol
Any ways. Wanted to thank you andrey because for all this videos. All this information its gold
Loved this video! I moved to australia 2 months ago from italy . I had a 600cc hornet 00' for almost 5 months , then i came here in AU.. that bike was too "extreme" for me and no ABS! Now i want to buy ktm 200 , very cheap here too .. i dont know if i will fit , im 1.62 mt and 60kg (very small 😂)
I race a duke200 like yours in my country..they are fantastic bikes
KTM has all bikes (I think) with high seat heights. Not good for vertically challenged riders, specially new ones.
Anyway, usually, for the same class, KTM seems to be much more expensive, although generally they have better parts.
I’m taking the A level motorcycle drivers license (which will allow me to drive any bike, since I am already an old guy), but I decided to buy already a 125cc bike since my car drivers license allows me to drive 125cc with less than 15hp. I ride it almost every day doing a lot of training and the evolution pace is quite impressive! I had to chose a Suzuki GSX-S 125 (with ABS, which is mandatory in my country) because it had the lower seat high where I can (almost) flat foot. When more experienced, I can wide my choices by just putting one foot on the ground and/or tipping toe.
It’s kind of a mystery, to me, why this channel doesn’t have much more subscribers. To me, this channel is full of fantastic quality content where I learnt and continue to learn a lot! Thank you for that.
Can you a make review on yzf R15 v3, new to your channel n i like your content...
Great video. Can you please tell me where you got your frame cage and handle bar sliders from. I am experienced rider and we have got the KTM like yours to teach the kids to ride, they will most likely drop it while learning.
Hi! Handlebar protectors are from 1190 Adventure which I was lucky to find used. The cage is JPL design, they are from Cordoba, Argentina.
Excellent video, hilarious! I don't think we have the 200 in my country. What do you think is the maximum size bike for a beginner, in terms of weight and CC etc?
Hi! I don't think there is a particular beginner engine size cap. IMO it's more important that the bike has a physical size (not engine size, but actual size, like height and width) appropriate for the rider, and as little weight as possible. And low cost, so the rider could practice riding without being terrified with high repair cost in case he tips over. Small cc bikes just tend to have all those aspects. It's not that the bike MUST have a small engine. If a particular beginner rider has young Swarzeneggers physique and his old self wallet - he can start on 1250gs no problem😁
Hello, great video. I am also owner duke 200 and like it so much, it has some huge pros for beginners. One question did you change the stock mirrors or its stock? I luck of visibility and looking for better mirrors, 'cause stock can't give good filed of view.
I actually liked stock mirrors, until someone stole them😆 Now there are some chinese crap.
@@MotoControlEn Ouch, got it. One more thing why I like duke its because it demands from you to develop yourself because of short gear and power on high revs you forced to change gears a lot, jerkiness on low rpm pushes you to work more with grey zone, rear brake and good throttle discipline, and still because it is light it forgive you a lot of mistakes, so this bikes actually a good teacher for beginners.
I had a RC390, and had plenty of fun riding it. My two dislikes were how hot it ran (as you say), and the silly fuel guage, which would from two bars below full to a bar above reserve in the space of ten miles. I was never comfortable doing more than 80 miles before refuelling.
Ha, I thought that were my particular bikes problem! The same goes on 200, on 2017 390 the fuel gauge were more adequate.
The duke 200 is the fastest one in it's class. I never owned one but have ridden a friend's one. For 400CC bikes the fastest would go to the Honda Super4 (assuming you managed to buy one now).
Yamaha WR 450 Supermoto suspension lowered 80mm 17 inch mag wheels softer springs - 107 kg makes Fun bike in Austin TX
Respect, I love motards!
Thanks Andrei for the awesome content. I am 6'5" - 215lbs; so, the KTM 200 or 390 maybe too low/small for me. I am looking for a second bike for practicing and short/around town rides. I have 2022 BMW 900XR and don't want to beat it up doing slow speed maneuvering exercises. What do you think about the (taller) Svartpilen 401? Since it has the same chassis as the 390, can it be as good in terms of handling and maneuverability? Other second bike options I am considering are the BMW 310 or Honda CB500. Thank you; you're the best!
I personally would look at ktm390 adv or bmw310gs in this case. Or even better, since you already have a good commuting bike, I would consider a motard, like DRZ400sm or something of that nature, they are perfect for practicing stuff 🙂
@@MotoControlEn Very good suggestions. Glad I asked because I was leaning heavy (no pun intended) on the Svart401. I will start watching bike reviews on those bikes to pick one. Appreciate it Andrei!
I had to “paws” the video and comment when I saw the puppy 😂
You are getting as good with video production as you are are with “Motocontrol”
You see what I did there😀
You are a BEAST!
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Just finished video.
This is probably THE best motorcycle review on UA-cam!
I’m going to guess it took at least 3 to 4 weeks to plan, shoot, and produce this quality for a 22 min video. I’m not sure viewers understand what is involved with this amount of quality, entertainment, and knowledge. But at least for me, it is not lost.
Bravo 👏
Greetings from the PPRC great information. It looks a little too small for a 6/2 guy.
It is!
I have Husqvarna Svartpilen 401. It’s same with duke 390. At 3000 km, piston was damaged. It’s been 4 months waiting for replacement.
That sucks, sorry to hear that!
Hi Andrew! I see you in BsAs and I’m too. It would be great to meet you in person, maybe to get some classes of improving riding skills. How can I contact you?
Hi! Here's my email: ashton-brown@mail.ru
The front suspension is not great, not terrible....
Anyway I have been riding a small motorcycle (150cc) for close to 5 years. I think the fuel savings and convenience can't be beat. I am qualified to ride all the way to 600cc and more but still prefer smaller bikes for daily commute (lane splitting).
I agree, no need to haul extra bike weight and not use it, right?
@@MotoControlEnMaybe when I move to a huge country I might change to a touring bike. No point for urban areas just like you in Argentina.
Eso esta grabado en el estacionamiento de Tecnopolis?
Sí, correcto!
Do you have any experience with the Yamaha mt-03 or Kawasaki z400? They look like nice friendly bikes
Yes, I really like them! I just wish the seats were higher😄
The z400 is an awesome bike, if you are the right size. I learned to ride in one of those. Sadly, after riding bigger sized bikes (not in CC but actual size and seat height) it feels tiny and cramped.
I'm basically the same height and weight as Andrei and the knee angle wasn't very comfortable, especially for learning, where a more neutral position is recommended. The mt03 is more or less the same. Tiny bikes for tiny people. It can become intense on longer trips.
What are your thoughts on triumph speed 400 launched couple days back which costs same as duke 250 (not duke 390). I had booked the duke 250.
I saw it, but didn't have a chance to ride, so I don't really know.
@@MotoControlEnAfter watching you ride dukes all the time in your videos, the fun you have on it made me book the 250 duke. And then came speed 400 with exact same price over here. Now its confusing to select between the two due to multiple reviewers claiming speed 400 to be a better choice even over 390 duke (gen 2). It would be really great if you could shed some light and more importantly if I'll be missing out on the fun factor if I go with triumph speed 400.
@@coolfriend693 Hi, how are you! I can't really tell anything about triumph speed 400, since there are none here in Argentina, so you're on your own here😁 Just looking at the specs, though, triumph is 15kilos heavier. Plus, from my experience, the most fun bike is usually the one you don't mind dropping from time to time. And again, I don't know the situation in your country, but here duke parts are cheap and easy to find in case you break something, plus there is a lot of protection stuff being sold for them, like cages, sliders, lever protection or foldable levers (it's for 1st and 2nd gen dukes btw, don't know about the newest ones). That's also what you may want to consider.
@@MotoControlEn both are marketed by bajaj (the dominar brand). Both bikes cheap to maintain. Triumph looks premium than duke any any angle. Its jus the fun factor that im confused about. The test rides are just 3 or 4 kms max to knw any better. Have to really on reviewers. 🙂
@@MotoControlEn and about me being fine.. Absolutely not.. Im just living in confusion 😁😁..
Can you send links of the crash cage?
They're Argentinian: articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/MLA-741057644-defensa-lateral-sliders-jpl-ktm-duke-200-_JM
Are 390 adv and duke essentially the same? Some locals here dismiss the 390 adv quite harshly!
I started looking at CRF 300L lately.
Good first bike?
Engine is the same, the rest is not:) I personally like adv very much, it's not a "true" dual sport (I tried only the version on 17 alloy wheels), it's more of a normal road bike with some little off road flavor. CRF 300l is more dirt-oriented than 390adv. So it depends on how much dirt you want, really😁
I'd say the adv version is actually their flagship version now, even for pavement roads. It's much more adjustable and keeps most of the Duke's tech while adding more stuff. Only downside is maybe some extra weight but that won't really affect you I guess.
Regarding the CRF, I've owned an older 250L and it's awesome as a dual sport bike. And as far as I know the CRF 300L is basically a much improved version of the 250.
@@MotoControlEn I joined a local kTm facebook group and the comments about their reliability are concerning to say the least. The Duke 390 is almost 3,000$ cheaper than ADV variant. It's the cheapest in its category, too, cheaper than cb300R by a significant amnt...
hmmm
@@tofuman9526 I can't really speak for KTMs reliability, all I know is that I personally had no significant problems with them so far, but I might be just lucky😄Adventure, I guess, is more expensive due to better suspension and stuff like traction control. And marketing😏
One needs a burner tire from time time
I don't love the thumper engine in the KTM 390 and, at 6'-3" and 210 lbs, it's just too cramped. I picked the Honda CB500X instead, which is less cramped (not perfect), has Honda reliability, and a buttery smooth engine.
Yes, I imagine at your height it's definitely not a great ergonomics!
I was at my local motorcycle shop and they had a ktm duke 790 and 890 and they had a cbr650r and a cbr600rr and a aprilla tuono and rs660 and r7 and cb650r and gxsr 600 out of those which is the best for a beginner
Don't they have an H2R? That would be the perfect choice!😆
No they did not have one 😂 do you know which one would be the best I’m not the one to take it to the top speed but I do need power for my trip to work there is some high speed roads but which one do you think is best
@@rileylofin7653 They are all not very beginner-friendly really. 790, 890 dukes more or less, the rest are sportbikes, which will be a struggle most certainly
Ok if I was to get the duke what is better than 790 or 890
@@rileylofin7653 790, it's cheaper:)
I thought the 200 has ABS in America
Government has made mandatory for manufacturers in India to provide ABS or UBS for two-wheelers with 125+cc engines. So duke 200 in India gets dual-channel ABS. Rear ABS can be turned off.
Cool, ABS is a good feature for a street bike. The only thing that pisses me off that it resets itself every time you switch ignition off. My 390 had a "supermoto" mode, which switched off the rear, or it could switch ABS completely, I believe the new 200 is the same?
@@MotoControlEn I am not experienced enough to switch off ABS🤓, not yet. However, I have heard others complaining about the same. I even heard that traction control switches on in Duke 390 adv when you switch off and restart the bike. May be KTM did it intentionally.
@@navinsubba7169 I'm sure that's some kind of government regulation, so riders couldn't forget to switch ABS back on
That's the way to go, for safety. Here in Argentina they started doing that for bikes above 250cc I think, and there are also some requirements below that too.
Sadly that is delaying the release of new models here so they can keep the old ones and avoid making that investment. Also prices are like 2.5x what they are elsewhere so that would push prices even higher.
@@lucascarracedo7421 fortunately in India, the government regulations is resulting only slight price rise. For example, government made it mandatory to have onboard diagnostics and flex fuel compliant. That resulted in only marginal price hike. This is true at least for 125-400 cc bikes. I hope situation improves/changes in your country too.
Привет. У меня такойже мотоцикл. Можешь снять обучающие видео как виллить на нём? Судя по комментариям много из твоих подписчиков имеют такой мот. Думаю им тоже будет интересно. 😊
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Yep!
@@MotoControlEn Yep... but it's a good bike! Sorry, i just laugh about these type of titles like everybody should or you need to... etc. So funny... =)
I owned a Yamaha RD200 when I was younger and it was very fast, I loved it and wish I had kept it 😓
One of small bikes advantages is actually how small and light they are. You can easily put them in and out, regardless of how little free space you have in your garage. And if you don't have any garage, they are less likely to be stolen. And you won't lose that much if they still will be.