What I love about this, is that damaged switchs (screens, battery, sd card slot) can get a second life. I'm a massive fan of hardware that can be resurrected and not just WEEE wasted
That was my original intent, I buy, and refurb switches all the time and i occasionally end up with v1-v2/OLEDs that the screen is either broken or dead or can dock but can't output to the LCD and i wanted a way to save the hardware without just scrapping it.
You can also just use it in the normal dock without any modifications. This really doesn't do anything to "give a second life", the only thing it has over a docked switch is the cooling.
I love that the Switch actually does have more power... we just can't access it cause of battery life... cause that means that if the Switch could just handle heat and battery performance, then Nintendo wouldn't actually have to raise the price for a pro-model...
I have an LCD switch awaiting the fate of becoming a consolized version, just need some injection molded cases to come out and we're good to go, glad to see the development towards this goal!
@@Logon013d printing is great and all but there is something about injection molded plastic that feels different. If you want 3d prints to feel as smooth, you have to spend a hour or two sanding it. Plus there plenty of people who don't have places that can 3d print for them.
@@RobbWes 100% that injection mold is different. I do like the option myself when it's there. I also know that 3D printing isn't always an option, but if it were, you would have much more flexibility. And given that this project is a Do it yourself idea, spending time sanding and painting just adds to the value of it for some. It gives the ability to make something like this a one of a kind thing that is specifically yours.
I have a 3D printer (anker m5 and many others before it), +1 to everyone saying injection molded is just different, cause it certainly is! 3D printing is for prototyping and small projects where the look might not matter just the function. This is a device I’ll be interacting with, divots and rough lines even with my resin printer just aren’t gonna cut it. I remember the early gba shells and stuff that was 3D printed. Look at us today, funny playing is almost OEM level quality. Trying to replicate that OEM feel but having a cool switch console is 10/10 for me
I bet you could make a simple PCB that uses a small capacitor bank to trick the system into thinking a battery is connected without having to use an actual switch battery. The reason is that batteries degrade a lot faster when constantly plugged in, and if you're trying to make this a dedicated home console you don't want an extra component that can fail just from using the system.
it's been done with a buck converter and a 10k resistor. you steal the controller board out of the original battery, attach a buck converter set to 4.25v to where the battery terminals used to connect, and solder a resistor to a pad near the battery connector to trick the battery temp sensor. suddenly no battery needed.
@@Tesseract4D2I wish a video was made on that, Also Add in a Multi Terabyte Hard drive that can hold ALL the Games on the Nintendo Switch Library and of course Hold a decent amount of Space for Saves
For some extra cooling performance you can change the thermal paste between the heat shield and the SOC. I've modded and repaired a lot of Switches and that paste is often very dry. Then what happens is it crumbles and cracks during the removal and reinstallation of the heatsink resulting in hot spots / poor performance. It's always best to replace it if you have the console torn down to that extent.
I have never taken any compute system down to its processor without replacing the thermal paste Frankly, the fact that people competent enough to tear a system down to that degree, would choose to not replace the thermal paste - confuses me greatly
This is easily one of my favorite mods you've done. It's contemporary, it's preventing e-waste, and it makes perfect sense for thermals on paper and in practice. Edit: Dang is this OLED Switch specific?! 2nd Edit: They're working on a base Switch version. So that'll be an option. Modders kick ass.
i mean i dont think it really prevents ewaste by itself, i may be completely wrong but i think this has the same effect of just leaving it docked? coolings better tho so thats a selling point
I would have loved to see the shell incorporate the rails to make synching new joycons easier but this is still an amazing piece of work. Great stuff from the community as always
@@SetEngineering But if someone has them from another system (or their system with a broken screen they've modded to run without it) then it would be nice to use the joycons for a multitude of scenarios: friend's controllers, Mario Kart Party, games that only work with Joycons (they do exist), etc.
Once pairing the pro controller it's a lot easier to pair the joycons. The internal joycon rails have very small ribbon cables. routing them anywhere useful would be very difficult. @@Phoenixflame87
@@SetEngineering aren't they needed for games that require the joycons and specifics like the IR sensor? I still use joycons while docked. Plus, gyro aim controls are easier with a joycon in each hand.
@@billyelliotx Its easy to pair joycons with the console but its designed around using the pro controller. Im working on a version of this that uses the older v1/v2 dock that has a rear USB-A 3 connector. Using a seperate addon might make it easier to pair the joycons as i know there are some third parties that can pair via the usb connector
Overclocking in theory should also provide a boost in resolution (assuming the framerate target is met) if the game is using dynamic resolution scaling, which a lot of switch games do.
This looks great and a great idea for console only gamers. I do 100% agree that the creator should add another frame for Noctua fans, because they are just so quiet and efficient. Sort of the entry level and the premium options. Really excited to see how the Switch modding scene continues.
Noctua is great (should be no problem to add a NF-A8 5V) but I would add a potentiometer that also acts as a switch, so it has a setting to turn off. Maybe with a second LED, one is for the power and the second one is an indicator for the fan.
What surprised me the most was that they are using the stock heatsink/fan. Looked like it wouldn't have been that hard to put a pc cpu heatsink on it with a fan. I'm guessing it boils down to keeping the costs lower. It was running quite cool already so there's that.
Wish there was something like this for the OG switch models. Access to the right joycon rail for CFW booting would be neat too, as well as external access for the microSD card.
It makes more sense for the og switch. Less efficient soc is fine if it's always plugged in. Not to mention a lot of og switches probably have dying batteries at this point. And why would you get this to get rid of the oled display? Kind of a waste.
SD card not being accessible without disassembly seems like a pretty huge con to me, especially with a hacked console. Surprised it wasn't mentioned at the end. Looks cool otherwise. Awesome vid!
Yeah if the video would have started with that most people would have lost interest I'd say. Besides that I think it's quite bulky. Edit: the fan being always on is a bit strange.
Most sd card extenders aren't shielded properly and can cut read write speeds by 75%. I have done extensive testing. If you're willing to take the hit accommodating that in a future design is easy enough. @@gfdggdfgdgf
I am definitely interested, though there are a few improvements I would bring to it ideally: - Have different shells to accomodate for the different Switch and Dock models on the market (OG, Mariko, OLED) - Have a "Pro" version where we can restore or even add USB ports (in case you have multiple wired controllers plugged in), but it would probably need an external power source for a hub (Maybe it could work using a power supply that is not Nintendo's?) - Have a hard power switch which can turn both the Switch motherboard and the external fan off in one fell swoop - Ideally have a substitute for the battery in case that swells up But overall that sounds like a fun way to salvage a console with a dead screen!
Mariko and OLED are the same, the lite has no way of outputting video without heavy modification. Im working on a version of the shell for both v1-v2 and oled that accommodates both OLED dock and V1-v2 Dock. Iteration takes time.
Con: Needed an area that can attach Joycons for charging/synching. Some games still use Joycons specificially vs pro. Less messy setup to have the joycon attachments available on it vs a separate USB charger adapter. Also, maybe a modded version to allow for the 4 multi carts at once that change via button sold on Amazon.
This is super cool. It's so weird that Michigan has so many video game mod companies/people - this dude, the Boxy Pixel guy, etc. There's also a supplier of various parts I've ordered from that is headquartered here too. Why is my home state so popular for modders? lol
I like how this is still portable. It's small and can fit in the backpack. You can bring it anywhere and still use it, as long as you have your own controller and monitor.
I always believed that Nintendo should have allowed the user to choose what kind of experience they want: a completely portable one, a hybrid, or a more "powerful" version sacrificing portability for better performance.
Nah then you'd get the situation Xbox faces right now where they promise you can play the latest games still on the Series S but in turn, developers don't release the games on Xbox due to the expectation.
So in case anyone else is looking in the comments for whether this works for the OG switch, checking the etsy page shows that the seller foes in fact now support the v1/v2 switches. You just need to specify as your adding to cart what model you have. This seems like an awesome project and I hope this helps!
I hear a lot of people leave their switches docked. I think this is a great idea and I hope the next gen console will have a separate handheld so performance doesn't suffer.
@@BoxxyFan its just cool to mod your switch to have better performance on games like tears of the kingdom, hyrule warriors, or metroid just to get the cleanest experience you can get from those games without having to emulate them.
@@BoxxyFan I mean when it came out part of it was the performance as well as its efficiency (battery life) which was a rarity in handhelds at the time. And remember that until the Wii (and a lil bit the Gamecube) Nintendo was on the forefront of performance and graphics fidelity and was looked at mainly for that. Like c'mon the Nintendo 64 had 64 in it to boast all its 64 BITS core computing and if I recall they even put the mhz of the cpu on some of the boxes, you won't find modern Nintendo caring about that
It's a fine concept for many broken Switches, it's even a way to have some use for drained batteries as it's intended for being continuously plugged. Nonetheless the case itself seems a bit too thick considering the original size of the console and the fact that we're even removing the screen, I guess we'll see alumunium or a more packed version of this concept.
Neat project. I wonder if the factory fan and heat sink/pipe assembly could be ditched in favor of a larger heat sink? Might be a way to get it to run even cooler with quieter fan or maybe even with passive cooling. Also would be nice to see a custom power button flex ribbon that integrates a power cut off for the USB port so the fan doesn't run 24/7. Lastly an SD card extender would be pretty easy to add in to make the SD port usable.
Yes it would be amazing to be able to use a lager heatsink in this case. Also just having the replacement fan plugged in the original fan socket, if the PWM signals and voltage are compatible.
I wonder if someone designs a custom cooler that sits right on top of the CPU/GPU/RAM, the system would be near ambient. But tbh, that's over overkill. The stock switch temps not really going above 50°C that often is a real testiment of the engineers at Nintendo. They made a really cool system. And this shell mod just shows that if you get to ventilate the system outside a handheld case with a bigget fan, the cooling is perfect.
You could perhaps use a low noise adapter or something like that for the fan, make it run a bit slower. Or use a power killer switch between the fan and the usb. The fan stops when the system is turned off. :)
I love the idea that we can salvage consoles to give them new life (though if just the screen went out, if it doesn’t make the console not-useable, then its less of an issue really). Also like how this conversion is reversible (in the event replacement screens become more available) That said, I could suggest some improvements. 1. Make the screw points thicker and use Metal threads instead. They make metal threads you can heat up and inset into 3d printed plastics. (this would just take making the screw points thicker to accommodate the metal thread inserts. He wouldn’t even need to do this himself. Just make the print able to accommodate it, while still using his current method for letting you screw into the plastic if you wanted. 2. Not sure how the lid is held in place, but making the plastic tabs abit thicker to allow for inserting magnets or something like that would be neat. 3. Instead of including a custom modded fan (which is what im guessing is happening); include a 4-pin PC fan to USB adapter would be much more universal and allow us to include any 80mm thin PC fan we wanted (perhaps he could include that as standard, and have an option to buy the fan from him for those that wanted an “all in one” package).
Too be honest I am surprised you didn't have to hook up the LCD panel. I figured that the system would have some quick check during boot to see if it works and would error out when its disconnected.
Since the default temperatures are more than fine, I don't really much care that this case lowers those already low temps even further. What I would be interested in is seeing how well games perform when the system is overclocked. For example, is the Switch with OC now able to run a locked 30fps in Zelda BOTW and Zelda TOTK in cases where it would slow down before? Such increases would make this an attractive option I think.
The main areas are Korok Forest and the Faron region, by the jungle. At the stable. Someone already did a framerate test with the RAM set to the full 1,600MHz (from the default 1,333MHz) and with the CPU jacked back up to 1.3GHz (or 1.5, I can't remember) and the choppiness still ocurred in those areas. It is based on RAM capacity, in my professional opinion. I emulated the game with 16GB of system ram and an RTX 3080 10GB and there was no stuttering in those regions.
The fan issue could be easily solved by tapping into the original fan connector and let the switch decide when it needs it on, that being said, the fan being on at all times is most likely the reason you got such good temperatures. 👍🏾
I still got the OG 2017 model. Believe it or not. Just got it back from repair and fan is acting up bad. So Nintendo gave me free Express shipping along with my warranty to repair it. Supervisor said it was probably the Switches fan or heat sink damage on arrival etc. Tbh I wish they did more express over night shipping methods instead of UPS. Would save the trouble.
It is quite difficult because the fan is controlled by voltage. In a PC, it's usually 12 volts and 0.1-0.2 amperes, while in the switch, it's 5 volts and 0.4 amperes, so it's not possible without developing an additional converter. In this case, it would also be necessary to install additional copper radiators and set up the fan for blowing, as in this configuration, a vacuum is created inside and the small fan of the switch simply has nothing to breathe.
The fan in this kit is a 2-pin fan. Not a 3-wire PWM fan. The power ratings are different. You would need one signal wire coming from the board that ran to the 3-wire PWM fan that you would have to buy and install to achieve this.
The OLED shell would definitely benefit from a switch for the external fan, which doesn't seem too outside the realm of possibilities. I wonder if it will be possible to continue using RCM for hacks on a modded V1 in the future, that'd be my biggest gripe converting over as I do not care much for the handheld capabilities of the switch. Love to see the switch getting a home console mod!
@Playerz714 Ooo I like that idea, especially if the rail was placed on the top of the shell, you could showcase a nice custom made joycon when you aren't using a jig!
@@jaydubsmusic ooo that's a awesome idea being able to showcase the joycons when you aren't using them like how those steampunk style clocks are (forgot the exact one but I know there is something like it)
This is a damn nifty project. I'll be very interested once the base model version is out of prototype. I think it's worth saying that if a mixed version came out that used the OLED dock with a base model console, *that* could be extremely valuable!
Where did you get your controller cases from the silver controls for the switch. Thanks for the video and information on this, it does look great. Keep up with the amazing work 😊
I really do love the idea that we've been taking nintendo consoles and turning them into handhelds (wii) and we've been taking nintendo handhelds and turning them into coloes (gba, switch).
would've love to have seen temps for a overclocked+docked and especially, stock clocked+shelled, just to see if there's any benefit to reshell a non-modded oled switch.
a mesh cover for the air intakes would be awesome but if you're already in the DIY mind frame of this kind of project, there's nothing stopping someone from doing it themselves. it would just be cool to see it come with the kit.
I'm actually looking for this kind of content on this channel that's similar to jailbreaking your switch, it's actually amazing it exceeds my expectations
The SD card could definely use an extension cable to route it to the outside of the case. A lot of it could use some extensions in order to make everything accessible, but likely in future revisions of this or different versions made by people.
I was thinking the exact same thing about the SD Card reader not being accessible, especially when you'd have to tear down the system 2 layers deep to access it in it's current form.
10:40 such natural and down to earth usage of the word folks you seem so much more relatable for using that word. Very folksy switch mod the folks made just down to earth regular normal folks who are so relatable to everyone without even trying!
I would be really cool to have the same mod for the non oled switch. There are probably numerous old switchs with broken screens just waiting for this !
Awesome mod and great video! Just finished my build of this tonight. I ended up extending the LED cable so it can reach the front. I also wired a switch into the fan so I can turn it off. I just used one of the exhaust vents on the side to poke my switch through. Worked great!
With this working basicly as a normal switch but with a extra fan pushing air through the stock system. Is there anything stopping this design with a little tweaking from being used with a normal switch?
You could probably meet this mod halfway by simply removing the back shell and shielding and slot it into a simple 3D printed shell with a fan attached to it.
the downside that if the switch doesn't have the built in screen, you wouldn't be able to use hekate since it only uses it, you might have to edit the ini/settings in the sd card instead, the recovery menu might also not be accessible. the console is still technically portable as it still has a battery also how did you mod that oled? i did not see a modchip during the installation, did you test the overlocking with a v1 switch?
I was thinking the same thing. To me this would be a huge pain of something went wrong updating the console. Also for modded users it makes sense to use an SD extension cable that way the SD card be be accessed without removal of the mid frame.
ifixit also sells replacement parts for the switch, so even if the screen is dead you could just replace it, not risk getting your Nintendo / you banned, and still dock or handheld.
Very cool and They support Launch edition Nintendo Switch. Only downside would be the lack of joycon rails and RCM jig. Maybe there's some room inside the new shell to double side tape the rail to use RCM jig when need to.
I absolutely love this! Before we know it the switch 2 (or whatever it'll will be named) will be released and the market will be flooded with not only used, but many more broken switches. Turning them into home consoles will be a game changer. The mod community will be amazing, I'm so excited!
This is like perfect timing as well. I'm always interested in taking only tech that I don't really use often and just making it as compact yet accessible as possible afterwards like with the PS2 mini. Saves spaces, time, and weight to bring to events and parties if y'all just wanna kick around and have fun
I would recommend trying to use a more aggressive overclock suite like 4ifir for this. You may easily be able to push way higher performance on this beast and properly push the cooling system. When I gamed on my VR switch, I was able to achieve 60 fps on totk for a while
I really love this, but I would use the first revision switch for modding and playing homebrew and backups. I almost feel if Nintendo did a standalone TV, it would be around $150.
@@BowsettesFury Not necessarily. You remove the display (around $30-50 part) and leave in the joycon controller, that makes it fair for a base package to get more people to have and buy games. If you price it anywhere $175-$199, you're in switch lite territory and no one would buy it. This late is the generation though, I wouldn't be surprised if this idea is implemented during the Switch 2 generation.
The factory fan is blowing, yet the larger 80mm fan is pulling and positioned directly above the blower fan. The larger fan impacts the blowers performance so why not just ditch it and use the original fan port as a trigger to activate the 80mm fan?
This reminds me of old mods from 2004-2006 from when I was kid, my old man would chip my consoles including my wii from japan was chipped. This type of modding reminds of that
One other con I can think of is how homebrew payloads tend to just use the integrated screen, so it might be some trouble with that. Unless I'm wrong and things work a little differently with modchipped systems.
another con is the place on the microSD card, because it's a modded switch switch and sometime you need to change the card or even upgrade it, it's hard to reach.
for those who are unfamiliar with overclocked term, it means the chip is being used at maximum potential. it is completely safe as long as the cooling is sufficient, this build is arguably safer and more durable than the stock nintendo switch as it has lower temperature and the cooling perform better than stock switch. in smartphone industry, some even promote their overclocked chip as 'new chip' even though it's the same chip. they did it because it performs better, which usually came with better cooling to compensate for higher performance
This is pretty awesome. I would be really tempted to do this to my Switch if I didn’t already have Tears of the Kingdom running at 1440p /4K via emulation..
I just bought a 20$ broken OLED switch to try this mod. I understand that you didn't talk about jailbreaking the Switch to avoid getting too much unwanted attention on your channel, however since overclocking the OLED requires a modchip and this mod removes the screen it would have been nice to see how to use a CFW without a screen. For this mod to be perfect we would need: - a custom bigger heatpipe and heatsink - a silent fan connected to the motherboard fan connector instead of a USB port - accessible micro SD and USB ports - joycon rails for pairing and charging
Love the mod, If you want some nicer heatsinks, it's 100% possible, I use switch heatsinks to make tons of custom ones, also you could remove the shim, it adds an extra layer for thermal transmission and isn't so great; as for overclocking could probably do more by cooling the ram and using a passive copper shield heatsink for the board underside with a large thermal pad EDIT You can also lose the battery, get a adjustable high current voltage regulator, replace the cell and keep the BMS; you're gold, fully consolised
An official TV only Switch Pro would be pretty great. It would probably be able to bypass many of the compromises that had to be made to allow the console to work in both handheld and docked mode, greatly increasing the potential power of the console.
I have a couple of cons, first the lack of an micro sd card extension so it can be accessed while installed no need to open. Also he should have a version for the v1 and v2 but he is working on it which is fine. And maybe a power switch for the fan so it doesn't stay on all the time.
Would love to see a suped up version with a modchip, usb hub, custom heatsink & a 140mm pc case fan Getting any extra storage from an ssd, or interpolation & upscaling would amazing
This is very cool. If you can get a damaged OLED Switch for cheap and don't need the handheld functionality this is perfect. However I see a few more cons here. First the SD card slot lacks easy access. If you want to replace the card you need to disassemble a part of this kit. Second thing, is that you are also losing the joycon docking function. If you don't own a compatible wireless controler there's another expense (either a seperate joycon dock or a new controler). And finally the fact that this is dedicated only for the OLED Switch is the last con I see. Overall the idea is great but with place for further improvements.
MyMateVince did something similar a few years ago. If someone other than the sxos devs could figure out OTG support I’d throw a 2tb ssd in there and the switch would be my favorite console of all time.
My only nitpick with this project is that you don't have any way to charge your Joy-Cons normally, no one ever thinks about that issue because of how seamless is the way that they charge, anyway I think the only way around it is by getting the charging grip or the AAA Battery charger for the Joy-Cons, hope y'all can consider this when doing this mod!!!
Been waiting for a official tv only switch for ages. Does not need extra performance to keep development siimple, but would save on costs for screens, batteries and joycons for those of us who dont do portable gaming.
This is a great idea and I appreciate that someone took the time to do this. However, I really wish it was a resin extruded print. I just find the spool printing very unattractive when you can see all the layers.
What I love about this, is that damaged switchs (screens, battery, sd card slot) can get a second life. I'm a massive fan of hardware that can be resurrected and not just WEEE wasted
Ah yes the OLED damaged switches ... LOL
this is a fantastic point.
That was my original intent, I buy, and refurb switches all the time and i occasionally end up with v1-v2/OLEDs that the screen is either broken or dead or can dock but can't output to the LCD and i wanted a way to save the hardware without just scrapping it.
You can also just use it in the normal dock without any modifications. This really doesn't do anything to "give a second life", the only thing it has over a docked switch is the cooling.
That's almost exclusively what I'm a fan of. I want to revive dead hardware, not mod good stuff.
I love that the Switch actually does have more power... we just can't access it cause of battery life... cause that means that if the Switch could just handle heat and battery performance, then Nintendo wouldn't actually have to raise the price for a pro-model...
I have an LCD switch awaiting the fate of becoming a consolized version, just need some injection molded cases to come out and we're good to go, glad to see the development towards this goal!
Why not 3D print it? or find a local print center? Heck, some libraries have 3D printing services.
@@Logon013d printing is great and all but there is something about injection molded plastic that feels different. If you want 3d prints to feel as smooth, you have to spend a hour or two sanding it. Plus there plenty of people who don't have places that can 3d print for them.
@@RobbWes 100% that injection mold is different. I do like the option myself when it's there. I also know that 3D printing isn't always an option, but if it were, you would have much more flexibility. And given that this project is a Do it yourself idea, spending time sanding and painting just adds to the value of it for some. It gives the ability to make something like this a one of a kind thing that is specifically yours.
I have a 3D printer (anker m5 and many others before it), +1 to everyone saying injection molded is just different, cause it certainly is! 3D printing is for prototyping and small projects where the look might not matter just the function. This is a device I’ll be interacting with, divots and rough lines even with my resin printer just aren’t gonna cut it. I remember the early gba shells and stuff that was 3D printed. Look at us today, funny playing is almost OEM level quality. Trying to replicate that OEM feel but having a cool switch console is 10/10 for me
I would recommend trying out a pla carbon fiber filament its quite good.
I bet you could make a simple PCB that uses a small capacitor bank to trick the system into thinking a battery is connected without having to use an actual switch battery. The reason is that batteries degrade a lot faster when constantly plugged in, and if you're trying to make this a dedicated home console you don't want an extra component that can fail just from using the system.
it's been done with a buck converter and a 10k resistor. you steal the controller board out of the original battery, attach a buck converter set to 4.25v to where the battery terminals used to connect, and solder a resistor to a pad near the battery connector to trick the battery temp sensor. suddenly no battery needed.
@@Tesseract4D2I wish a video was made on that,
Also Add in a Multi Terabyte Hard drive that can hold ALL the Games on the Nintendo Switch Library and of course Hold a decent amount of Space for Saves
Batteries dont degrade faster when plugged in. Ive compated laptops constantly plugged in vs discharged snd thr plugged in has more longevity
Could also change it to 18650.
@@jamesfranko5098depends on the BMS really. The way companies use laptops forced laptop makers to fix this specifically.
For some extra cooling performance you can change the thermal paste between the heat shield and the SOC. I've modded and repaired a lot of Switches and that paste is often very dry. Then what happens is it crumbles and cracks during the removal and reinstallation of the heatsink resulting in hot spots / poor performance. It's always best to replace it if you have the console torn down to that extent.
I have never taken any compute system down to its processor without replacing the thermal paste
Frankly, the fact that people competent enough to tear a system down to that degree, would choose to not replace the thermal paste - confuses me greatly
@@Spiker985Studiosthis
@@Spiker985Studios It doesnt happen.
@Spiker985Studios I have done that before, because I didn't have any on hand lol
Replacing the Thermal Paste when removing a Heatsink feels like the Bare Basics on how to handle Heatsink-Removal.
This is easily one of my favorite mods you've done. It's contemporary, it's preventing e-waste, and it makes perfect sense for thermals on paper and in practice.
Edit: Dang is this OLED Switch specific?! 2nd Edit: They're working on a base Switch version. So that'll be an option. Modders kick ass.
21C is not 75F...
i mean i dont think it really prevents ewaste by itself, i may be completely wrong but i think this has the same effect of just leaving it docked? coolings better tho so thats a selling point
Wait since when is the OLED switch overclockable
@@jordanmynes2638 since mod chips came out years ago....
I would have loved to see the shell incorporate the rails to make synching new joycons easier but this is still an amazing piece of work. Great stuff from the community as always
I designed it to work specifically with a pro controller. As joycons are no longer technically necessary.
@@SetEngineering But if someone has them from another system (or their system with a broken screen they've modded to run without it) then it would be nice to use the joycons for a multitude of scenarios: friend's controllers, Mario Kart Party, games that only work with Joycons (they do exist), etc.
Once pairing the pro controller it's a lot easier to pair the joycons. The internal joycon rails have very small ribbon cables. routing them anywhere useful would be very difficult. @@Phoenixflame87
@@SetEngineering aren't they needed for games that require the joycons and specifics like the IR sensor? I still use joycons while docked. Plus, gyro aim controls are easier with a joycon in each hand.
@@billyelliotx Its easy to pair joycons with the console but its designed around using the pro controller. Im working on a version of this that uses the older v1/v2 dock that has a rear USB-A 3 connector. Using a seperate addon might make it easier to pair the joycons as i know there are some third parties that can pair via the usb connector
Overclocking in theory should also provide a boost in resolution (assuming the framerate target is met) if the game is using dynamic resolution scaling, which a lot of switch games do.
This looks great and a great idea for console only gamers. I do 100% agree that the creator should add another frame for Noctua fans, because they are just so quiet and efficient. Sort of the entry level and the premium options. Really excited to see how the Switch modding scene continues.
does this mod only works for OLED switches?
@ericgene yes for the time being but in the works of making one for the original switches v1 and v2
Noctua is great (should be no problem to add a NF-A8 5V) but I would add a potentiometer that also acts as a switch, so it has a setting to turn off.
Maybe with a second LED, one is for the power and the second one is an indicator for the fan.
What surprised me the most was that they are using the stock heatsink/fan. Looked like it wouldn't have been that hard to put a pc cpu heatsink on it with a fan. I'm guessing it boils down to keeping the costs lower. It was running quite cool already so there's that.
Wish there was something like this for the OG switch models. Access to the right joycon rail for CFW booting would be neat too, as well as external access for the microSD card.
truthful be told you could get a PCB flex cable that bridges the connects but I agree i wish there is something like this for the OG switch
It makes more sense for the og switch. Less efficient soc is fine if it's always plugged in. Not to mention a lot of og switches probably have dying batteries at this point. And why would you get this to get rid of the oled display? Kind of a waste.
There is one for OG switch, check the link in description
SD card not being accessible without disassembly seems like a pretty huge con to me, especially with a hacked console. Surprised it wasn't mentioned at the end. Looks cool otherwise. Awesome vid!
They sell sd card ribbin extension cable for like $8.
I'm sure there's a ftp program on the switch for homebrew
It also wasnt designed specifically for overclocked switches, that is simply one of many possible uses.
Yeah if the video would have started with that most people would have lost interest I'd say. Besides that I think it's quite bulky.
Edit: the fan being always on is a bit strange.
Most sd card extenders aren't shielded properly and can cut read write speeds by 75%. I have done extensive testing. If you're willing to take the hit accommodating that in a future design is easy enough. @@gfdggdfgdgf
"we want it to pull in air"
*proceeds to install fan as exhaust*
I am definitely interested, though there are a few improvements I would bring to it ideally:
- Have different shells to accomodate for the different Switch and Dock models on the market (OG, Mariko, OLED)
- Have a "Pro" version where we can restore or even add USB ports (in case you have multiple wired controllers plugged in), but it would probably need an external power source for a hub (Maybe it could work using a power supply that is not Nintendo's?)
- Have a hard power switch which can turn both the Switch motherboard and the external fan off in one fell swoop
- Ideally have a substitute for the battery in case that swells up
But overall that sounds like a fun way to salvage a console with a dead screen!
would definitely love that as I don't really take my og switch out anymore @carbon9652
He actually does have 2 versions he is still in the works with utilizing the V1 dock to make this possible.
@carbon9652 mmm would it be possible to use the oled dock with v1 as my original dock is borked
Mariko and OLED are the same, the lite has no way of outputting video without heavy modification. Im working on a version of the shell for both v1-v2 and oled that accommodates both OLED dock and V1-v2 Dock. Iteration takes time.
@@SetEngineering switch lite can output compressed video via sysdvr
Con: Needed an area that can attach Joycons for charging/synching. Some games still use Joycons specificially vs pro. Less messy setup to have the joycon attachments available on it vs a separate USB charger adapter.
Also, maybe a modded version to allow for the 4 multi carts at once that change via button sold on Amazon.
On the plus side, that separate Joy-Con charger they sold at the start of the Switch's life will finally become useful 💀
*I don't have ONE single game for my Switch that ONLY uses the Joy Cons. I have 45 Switch games, and they ALL use my PRO controllers.*
@@Twitch_Moderator Pokemon Let's Go Eevee/Pikachu, Let's Go Switch
This is super cool. It's so weird that Michigan has so many video game mod companies/people - this dude, the Boxy Pixel guy, etc. There's also a supplier of various parts I've ordered from that is headquartered here too. Why is my home state so popular for modders? lol
Because we have a lot of cold months to tinker around. :)
I like how this is still portable. It's small and can fit in the backpack. You can bring it anywhere and still use it, as long as you have your own controller and monitor.
I always believed that Nintendo should have allowed the user to choose what kind of experience they want: a completely portable one, a hybrid, or a more "powerful" version sacrificing portability for better performance.
An external GPU on the dock should be, but the price....
Nah then you'd get the situation Xbox faces right now where they promise you can play the latest games still on the Series S but in turn, developers don't release the games on Xbox due to the expectation.
yeah but that increases manufacturing overhead.
@@killermatico27 wouldn't work, i don't think the cpu is meant to work with gpu's, the bottle necking would be terrible
My switch hasn't left its dock since I bought it in 2020
So in case anyone else is looking in the comments for whether this works for the OG switch, checking the etsy page shows that the seller foes in fact now support the v1/v2 switches. You just need to specify as your adding to cart what model you have. This seems like an awesome project and I hope this helps!
Yes, I did the OG switch and the internal switch gets super loud
I hear a lot of people leave their switches docked. I think this is a great idea and I hope the next gen console will have a separate handheld so performance doesn't suffer.
You mean.... like the Wii-U?
The Switch has never been focused on performance. You miss the entire point of the Switch.
@@BoxxyFan its just cool to mod your switch to have better performance on games like tears of the kingdom, hyrule warriors, or metroid just to get the cleanest experience you can get from those games without having to emulate them.
@@BoxxyFan I mean when it came out part of it was the performance as well as its efficiency (battery life) which was a rarity in handhelds at the time. And remember that until the Wii (and a lil bit the Gamecube) Nintendo was on the forefront of performance and graphics fidelity and was looked at mainly for that. Like c'mon the Nintendo 64 had 64 in it to boast all its 64 BITS core computing and if I recall they even put the mhz of the cpu on some of the boxes, you won't find modern Nintendo caring about that
I only play my switch on the tv so it’s always docked. I sometimes wonder if my long playing sessions make it hot in there
It's a fine concept for many broken Switches, it's even a way to have some use for drained batteries as it's intended for being continuously plugged. Nonetheless the case itself seems a bit too thick considering the original size of the console and the fact that we're even removing the screen, I guess we'll see alumunium or a more packed version of this concept.
Neat project. I wonder if the factory fan and heat sink/pipe assembly could be ditched in favor of a larger heat sink? Might be a way to get it to run even cooler with quieter fan or maybe even with passive cooling. Also would be nice to see a custom power button flex ribbon that integrates a power cut off for the USB port so the fan doesn't run 24/7. Lastly an SD card extender would be pretty easy to add in to make the SD port usable.
Yes it would be amazing to be able to use a lager heatsink in this case. Also just having the replacement fan plugged in the original fan socket, if the PWM signals and voltage are compatible.
I wonder if someone designs a custom cooler that sits right on top of the CPU/GPU/RAM, the system would be near ambient. But tbh, that's over overkill. The stock switch temps not really going above 50°C that often is a real testiment of the engineers at Nintendo. They made a really cool system. And this shell mod just shows that if you get to ventilate the system outside a handheld case with a bigget fan, the cooling is perfect.
You could perhaps use a low noise adapter or something like that for the fan, make it run a bit slower. Or use a power killer switch between the fan and the usb. The fan stops when the system is turned off. :)
Yep! that and a noctua fan should completely eliminate the fan noise.
I love the idea that we can salvage consoles to give them new life (though if just the screen went out, if it doesn’t make the console not-useable, then its less of an issue really). Also like how this conversion is reversible (in the event replacement screens become more available)
That said, I could suggest some improvements.
1. Make the screw points thicker and use Metal threads instead. They make metal threads you can heat up and inset into 3d printed plastics. (this would just take making the screw points thicker to accommodate the metal thread inserts. He wouldn’t even need to do this himself. Just make the print able to accommodate it, while still using his current method for letting you screw into the plastic if you wanted.
2. Not sure how the lid is held in place, but making the plastic tabs abit thicker to allow for inserting magnets or something like that would be neat.
3. Instead of including a custom modded fan (which is what im guessing is happening); include a 4-pin PC fan to USB adapter would be much more universal and allow us to include any 80mm thin PC fan we wanted (perhaps he could include that as standard, and have an option to buy the fan from him for those that wanted an “all in one” package).
Too be honest I am surprised you didn't have to hook up the LCD panel. I figured that the system would have some quick check during boot to see if it works and would error out when its disconnected.
Always wanted Nintendo to make a Docked Only Switch and remove the need for a screen and battery.
Since the default temperatures are more than fine, I don't really much care that this case lowers those already low temps even further. What I would be interested in is seeing how well games perform when the system is overclocked. For example, is the Switch with OC now able to run a locked 30fps in Zelda BOTW and Zelda TOTK in cases where it would slow down before? Such increases would make this an attractive option I think.
The main areas are Korok Forest and the Faron region, by the jungle. At the stable.
Someone already did a framerate test with the RAM set to the full 1,600MHz (from the default 1,333MHz) and with the CPU jacked back up to 1.3GHz (or 1.5, I can't remember) and the choppiness still ocurred in those areas.
It is based on RAM capacity, in my professional opinion.
I emulated the game with 16GB of system ram and an RTX 3080 10GB and there was no stuttering in those regions.
I believe mounting the big fan to pull air in the shell would have much better results!!
I would love to see a complete custom cooling solution allowing for extreme overclocking! 😁
Using a switch v1 to overclock it with this case + a 60fps patch for totk = perfection
The fan issue could be easily solved by tapping into the original fan connector and let the switch decide when it needs it on, that being said, the fan being on at all times is most likely the reason you got such good temperatures. 👍🏾
I still got the OG 2017 model. Believe it or not. Just got it back from repair and fan is acting up bad. So Nintendo gave me free Express shipping along with my warranty to repair it. Supervisor said it was probably the Switches fan or heat sink damage on arrival etc. Tbh I wish they did more express over night shipping methods instead of UPS. Would save the trouble.
It is quite difficult because the fan is controlled by voltage. In a PC, it's usually 12 volts and 0.1-0.2 amperes, while in the switch, it's 5 volts and 0.4 amperes, so it's not possible without developing an additional converter. In this case, it would also be necessary to install additional copper radiators and set up the fan for blowing, as in this configuration, a vacuum is created inside and the small fan of the switch simply has nothing to breathe.
The fan in this kit is a 2-pin fan. Not a 3-wire PWM fan.
The power ratings are different.
You would need one signal wire coming from the board that ran to the 3-wire PWM fan that you would have to buy and install to achieve this.
@@artificialintelligence7820Noctua makes 24v, 48v, and 5v fans for applications like this. They are under the commercial listing.
I’ve been waiting so long for a higher profile consolidation project for the Switch.
The OLED shell would definitely benefit from a switch for the external fan, which doesn't seem too outside the realm of possibilities.
I wonder if it will be possible to continue using RCM for hacks on a modded V1 in the future, that'd be my biggest gripe converting over as I do not care much for the handheld capabilities of the switch.
Love to see the switch getting a home console mod!
Maybe incorporate the joy con rails on the side of box for RCM
@@RubMySweatyThighs good idea but what if we instead add wires from 2 of the rails to a button or a switch that bridges both pins needed for rcm
@Playerz714 Ooo I like that idea, especially if the rail was placed on the top of the shell, you could showcase a nice custom made joycon when you aren't using a jig!
@@RaineeVRYEAH THAT SOUNDS ALMOST TOO EASY!
@@jaydubsmusic ooo that's a awesome idea being able to showcase the joycons when you aren't using them like how those steampunk style clocks are (forgot the exact one but I know there is something like it)
Make one where you can use a portable screen so you can use it on the go.
This is a damn nifty project. I'll be very interested once the base model version is out of prototype. I think it's worth saying that if a mixed version came out that used the OLED dock with a base model console, *that* could be extremely valuable!
Where did you get your controller cases from the silver controls for the switch. Thanks for the video and information on this, it does look great. Keep up with the amazing work 😊
Love this channel, the shell looks incredible by the way. Keep up the good work!
Thank you!
Thank you! Im glad you like the design.
@@SetEngineering 👉👉eh
@@SetEngineering xlnt design bro 👍
I’d love to see this tackled for the OG switch as well, not just the OLED. I actually have a donor console for this that’s not OLED.
there do exist microSD card extension cables, so that might be worth adding to the kit for ease of upgrading.
Just buy a 1 TB micro SD. Done!!
I need to see a mod of this with a custom copper heatsink, liquid metal thermal paste and a silent noctua fan
Very cool. I had hoped they would release a home dedicated 4K switch, but that doesn't seem to be a priority.
The idea was start simple. As the project progresses I am taking more and more creative liberties to see what i can accomplish
I really do love the idea that we've been taking nintendo consoles and turning them into handhelds (wii) and we've been taking nintendo handhelds and turning them into coloes (gba, switch).
would've love to have seen temps for a overclocked+docked and especially, stock clocked+shelled, just to see if there's any benefit to reshell a non-modded oled switch.
anyone else is suprised that nintendo didn't made a switch not portable for the same price of a switch lite great work by the way
FINALLY! THANK YOU!
I've been waiting for so long for someone to make a Switch Home Console Mod and this looks sick!
a mesh cover for the air intakes would be awesome but if you're already in the DIY mind frame of this kind of project, there's nothing stopping someone from doing it themselves. it would just be cool to see it come with the kit.
This is very cool! Although, I feel like if your going to do this consolizer mod, you should install a Modchip with it to allow for overclocking.
Would love to see a mod chip install for an OLED switch from Machonacho
@chasefournier I agree but nintendo goes crazy over that kind of stuff.
I'm actually looking for this kind of content on this channel that's similar to jailbreaking your switch, it's actually amazing it exceeds my expectations
The SD card could definely use an extension cable to route it to the outside of the case. A lot of it could use some extensions in order to make everything accessible, but likely in future revisions of this or different versions made by people.
I was thinking the exact same thing about the SD Card reader not being accessible, especially when you'd have to tear down the system 2 layers deep to access it in it's current form.
10:40 such natural and down to earth usage of the word folks you seem so much more relatable for using that word. Very folksy switch mod the folks made just down to earth regular normal folks who are so relatable to everyone without even trying!
I would be really cool to have the same mod for the non oled switch. There are probably numerous old switchs with broken screens just waiting for this !
It will be available in a week or two once the design has been polished a little more!
Awesome mod and great video! Just finished my build of this tonight. I ended up extending the LED cable so it can reach the front. I also wired a switch into the fan so I can turn it off. I just used one of the exhaust vents on the side to poke my switch through. Worked great!
Why in the flying HELL would Nintendo ban you for making their console stronger spec wise?
That's counterproductive.
And all sold out. Ouch. Can't wait to try this sometime though.
With this working basicly as a normal switch but with a extra fan pushing air through the stock system. Is there anything stopping this design with a little tweaking from being used with a normal switch?
You could probably meet this mod halfway by simply removing the back shell and shielding and slot it into a simple 3D printed shell with a fan attached to it.
Likely different screw placements on the PCB. Should be easy tweaks that wont take long to get updated.
I was just thinking about this. Glad someone actually did it.
the downside that if the switch doesn't have the built in screen, you wouldn't be able to use hekate since it only uses it, you might have to edit the ini/settings in the sd card instead, the recovery menu might also not be accessible. the console is still technically portable as it still has a battery
also how did you mod that oled? i did not see a modchip during the installation, did you test the overlocking with a v1 switch?
I was thinking the same thing. To me this would be a huge pain of something went wrong updating the console. Also for modded users it makes sense to use an SD extension cable that way the SD card be be accessed without removal of the mid frame.
is it possible to boot directly into cfw through an edit to the .ini files?
ifixit also sells replacement parts for the switch, so even if the screen is dead you could just replace it, not risk getting your Nintendo / you banned, and still dock or handheld.
Link to buy doesn't have anything for sale... I'm throwing money at a screen and nothing's happening...
Very cool and They support Launch edition Nintendo Switch. Only downside would be the lack of joycon rails and RCM jig. Maybe there's some room inside the new shell to double side tape the rail to use RCM jig when need to.
or you'll have to risk running auto rcm and auto boot in hekate.
I absolutely love this! Before we know it the switch 2 (or whatever it'll will be named) will be released and the market will be flooded with not only used, but many more broken switches. Turning them into home consoles will be a game changer. The mod community will be amazing, I'm so excited!
This is like perfect timing as well. I'm always interested in taking only tech that I don't really use often and just making it as compact yet accessible as possible afterwards like with the PS2 mini. Saves spaces, time, and weight to bring to events and parties if y'all just wanna kick around and have fun
Bro is the son of the guy that helped turbo , the one that worked in Dos Bros Tacos
I would recommend trying to use a more aggressive overclock suite like 4ifir for this. You may easily be able to push way higher performance on this beast and properly push the cooling system. When I gamed on my VR switch, I was able to achieve 60 fps on totk for a while
4FIR falsely reports its clocks, temps and FPS. I would recommend just about everyone steer clear of it.
@@SetEngineering So strange words from guy with nickname: "Nihilism"...
+ for 4ifir. LOVE smooth 60fps in Zelda soo much!
You must love getting lied to then@@AirMage50
This is definitely a future project that's going to solve a lot of problems with younger kids.
I really love this, but I would use the first revision switch for modding and playing homebrew and backups. I almost feel if Nintendo did a standalone TV, it would be around $150.
Would be way more expensive than that.
@@BowsettesFury Not necessarily. You remove the display (around $30-50 part) and leave in the joycon controller, that makes it fair for a base package to get more people to have and buy games. If you price it anywhere $175-$199, you're in switch lite territory and no one would buy it. This late is the generation though, I wouldn't be surprised if this idea is implemented during the Switch 2 generation.
he could use an arctic f8 as a fan really nice and quiet also very affordable
How do you charge the Joycons? 15:33
Pro controller
Hahahahahahahhahaha 🫥
Get a charger for them
I watched the progress on this on Reddit and I'm glad you featured it in one of your videos
What resolution?
Same as the usual OLED switch
No, bro. The OLED Switch is *UP TO* 1080p when docked. We don't know if he ran the game at 720 or 1080 in this video. @@IamAJoe
1080p
Thanks! Very nice that you can get that FPS with this mod. My friend told me he gets below 30 without the mod.@@MachoNachoProductions
This is a brilliant idea 🙏🏽 especially bringing broken Switches to life again 🙏🏽
With a slight modification to the casing and a microSD extension it would be perfect.
The factory fan is blowing, yet the larger 80mm fan is pulling and positioned directly above the blower fan. The larger fan impacts the blowers performance so why not just ditch it and use the original fan port as a trigger to activate the 80mm fan?
This reminds me of old mods from 2004-2006 from when I was kid, my old man would chip my consoles including my wii from japan was chipped. This type of modding reminds of that
Would buy one of these if it was fully built already depending on price.
One other con I can think of is how homebrew payloads tend to just use the integrated screen, so it might be some trouble with that.
Unless I'm wrong and things work a little differently with modchipped systems.
another con is the place on the microSD card, because it's a modded switch switch and sometime you need to change the card or even upgrade it, it's hard to reach.
Buy a 1 TB micro SD. Done!
Now we need something like this with a steam deck /s
for those who are unfamiliar with overclocked term, it means the chip is being used at maximum potential. it is completely safe as long as the cooling is sufficient, this build is arguably safer and more durable than the stock nintendo switch as it has lower temperature and the cooling perform better than stock switch. in smartphone industry, some even promote their overclocked chip as 'new chip' even though it's the same chip. they did it because it performs better, which usually came with better cooling to compensate for higher performance
This is pretty awesome. I would be really tempted to do this to my Switch if I didn’t already have Tears of the Kingdom running at 1440p /4K via emulation..
I think they should make one that works with the 4 port extension for game cards. That would make it the perfect system.
I just bought a 20$ broken OLED switch to try this mod. I understand that you didn't talk about jailbreaking the Switch to avoid getting too much unwanted attention on your channel, however since overclocking the OLED requires a modchip and this mod removes the screen it would have been nice to see how to use a CFW without a screen.
For this mod to be perfect we would need:
- a custom bigger heatpipe and heatsink
- a silent fan connected to the motherboard fan connector instead of a USB port
- accessible micro SD and USB ports
- joycon rails for pairing and charging
Love the mod, If you want some nicer heatsinks, it's 100% possible, I use switch heatsinks to make tons of custom ones, also you could remove the shim, it adds an extra layer for thermal transmission and isn't so great; as for overclocking could probably do more by cooling the ram and using a passive copper shield heatsink for the board underside with a large thermal pad
EDIT
You can also lose the battery, get a adjustable high current voltage regulator, replace the cell and keep the BMS; you're gold, fully consolised
Could you document your process for this ? That would be awesome.
@@derek7808 Sure once I sort out my new home lab, I'll make a few videos
An official TV only Switch Pro would be pretty great. It would probably be able to bypass many of the compromises that had to be made to allow the console to work in both handheld and docked mode, greatly increasing the potential power of the console.
I have a couple of cons, first the lack of an micro sd card extension so it can be accessed while installed no need to open. Also he should have a version for the v1 and v2 but he is working on it which is fine. And maybe a power switch for the fan so it doesn't stay on all the time.
Now guys, this is what i call Nintendo “Unswitchable” 😂.
Would love to see a suped up version with a modchip, usb hub, custom heatsink & a 140mm pc case fan
Getting any extra storage from an ssd, or interpolation & upscaling would amazing
This is very cool. If you can get a damaged OLED Switch for cheap and don't need the handheld functionality this is perfect. However I see a few more cons here. First the SD card slot lacks easy access. If you want to replace the card you need to disassemble a part of this kit. Second thing, is that you are also losing the joycon docking function. If you don't own a compatible wireless controler there's another expense (either a seperate joycon dock or a new controler). And finally the fact that this is dedicated only for the OLED Switch is the last con I see. Overall the idea is great but with place for further improvements.
MyMateVince did something similar a few years ago. If someone other than the sxos devs could figure out OTG support I’d throw a 2tb ssd in there and the switch would be my favorite console of all time.
Thank you so much for the super chat! I’ll have to check his video out 👍
@@MachoNachoProductionsthank you for the video. I’m buying one of these on payday. Great price too.
Definitely looking forward to the case mod for the OG Switch... I have one with a cracked screen that's just gathering dust now.
This is exactly what I wish Nintendo would release. A standalone old school desktop without thr switch functionality at a budget pricepoint.
This is the mod I needed to finish off my switch. I didn't know it was out a year (or more) ago.
Retro Renew intro for the Switch made me LOL
(Not an insult or anything, just the thought of Switch being retro. Please tell me I'm not THAT old yet!)
You should have considered trying 4ifir overclock
If you have played any of the recent pokemon games in dock mode, you know that it running cooler and being overclocked would be a God send
My only nitpick with this project is that you don't have any way to charge your Joy-Cons normally, no one ever thinks about that issue because of how seamless is the way that they charge, anyway I think the only way around it is by getting the charging grip or the AAA Battery charger for the Joy-Cons, hope y'all can consider this when doing this mod!!!
i wonder if there could be one without the battery that just runs straight off the wall power, batteries could go bad too
Been waiting for a official tv only switch for ages. Does not need extra performance to keep development siimple, but would save on costs for screens, batteries and joycons for those of us who dont do portable gaming.
Like that idea. if anyway an oled display broke and won't fix it giving a second life to a console i'm sold! loving it.
Now that is a great idea you did, lad. You know how to save Nintendo enough trouble over such and such, even buying unworkable Nintendo Switch's.
This is a great idea and I appreciate that someone took the time to do this. However, I really wish it was a resin extruded print. I just find the spool printing very unattractive when you can see all the layers.