He was not only one of the very best of all time; he was one of most enjoyable boxers to watch. I loved his speed, footwork, lightning fast combinations and his swagger.
@@filmandcomposition Tyson isn't afraid to show his emotions. If you laugh he will kick your ass until you're both crying then hand you some Kleenex he carries around for such occasions. My motto is when a man like iron Mike is crying I generally start tearing up too then I point out anybody that isnt look Mike this asshole thinks he's a tough guy teach him a lesson.
Yes I concur, this is a great channel. Yo!!! Did you see that Uncle Ray Lenard was knocked down by a “Head Clash” Omg!!! I don’t remember that at all… Plus Uncle Ray’s targeting and body shots were incredible, 👊🏾🇳🇬🇺🇸
I’m 75yrs. Old and I watched most all the fights back in the day. I really liked watching Sugar Ray and was always impressed with his cardio. He was quick but not the power of a lot of fighters. Anyway I miss those days they were more sane!
@@timgraaff7551 That's the irony of Sugar Ray Leonard. He was a pretty good puncher. Just would never know it fighting Hagler or Duran. Fights from 70s and 80s were great. Much better than today.
Ray always had the class to admit that Tommy Hearns won their second fight. Great speed with his legs and hands, those incredible combination, smarts and heart. The complete fighter.
Everyone says so even Hearns but it’s not so.Leonard clearly won that fight.But because everyone says otherwise,and with Hagler backing Tommy Hearns no one wants to say otherwise.Even Leonard graciously admits that Thomas Hearns won the fight.But one more round, and Sugar Ray Leonard would have certainly stopped him.
@@biggieyorke8415exactly, I don’t see how you can score the fight for hearns round by round, people just say hearns was robbed because he scored 2 knockdowns but don’t mention that he was battered by leonard in the 5th and 12th
"Tuesday Night Fights" with Al Bernstein was a really great show back in the day. Used to watch it before reporting for Third Shift at the gun factory.
@@highdefboxing8056- just like the hearns Leonard first fight no 8 count for Tommy hearns premature stoppage just like Howard srl the media darling of the wbc and wba boxing he didn't like giving rematches either, or ducked people i could go on about this.....
@@MarkPauley-ue1howhen the reff lets him beat the shit out someone y'all say the reff should've stopped it when the reff do stop a fight y'all that was premature dude can't win for loosing
By prior agreement, there would be no standing 8 count. Anyway, Kevin was visibly more injured by that barrage than Ray was injured by the knock-down. But I agree; the fight shouldn't have been stopped at that moment.
Terrence Crawford NEVER fought a welterweight anywhere near the level of a sugar Ray Leonard. A washed up Kellbrook, near retirement Porter and a clearly deteriorating Post accident Errol Spence don’t count and certainly don’t come remotely close to A Prime Ray Leonard who had EVERYTHING going for him skill wise. I’ve seen lesser fighters put hands on Crawford and none of them had even a third of the ability that Wilfred Benitez, Thomas Hearns, Duran had. And these were the caliber of fighters Ray faced in his prime. Legitimate Hall of Fame killers who were all in their PRIMES As well. A mentally tired Porter who half trained and was pondering retirement, an inactive, diminished Spence, and a broken washed up Kellbrook don’t compare. And even if they were in their Primes Thomas Hearns Alone would destroy any of them , let alone Ray Leonard. Those guys were cut from a different cloth. No rehydration clauses, special weight restriction cut offs, marinating a fight for years till the other guy slows down etc….. they fought when it counted in their absolute PRIMES.
Great narration, good quality fight clips without shitty music. the best historical fights in the world. what else could you want in a boxing channel ? you deserve a million subs sir
Of all time?? Ray Robinson. 43-0 as a welterweight. I love SRL, but he might be in the top 5 of all time Welters. Sooo many greats in that division. Henry Armstrong Barney Ross Kid Gavalin Floyd Mayweather.
@@borood1188 i wouldn't go that far but he is very very good. Personally I can't rank him ahead of men who fought two and three hundred times or more. Ray Robinson, Greb, Langford. We will never see their kind again.
@@borood1188 im sure he had plenty of injuries you don't fight two hundred times and not have but the fact he could fight so many times is a testament to his greatness. I like SRL but his injury came from boxing and he had to retire after forty fights Greb fought more than that in a single calendar year and went 45-0 later he had the same injury and went blind but continued to box for years and won the vast majority of his fights. Ray was a great fighter but I just don't think I could rank him ahead of RR at his peak was 128-1 who can top that?
@@SubwayProphet Greb was a tough guy, but he don’t have that kind of skill. He was brawler. Back then they had to fight so many times for money. In Leonard’s era they didn’t have to fight as often because Ali changed the game and brought a lot of money to boxing.
I had the honor in my youth of being at this fight. Incidentally - his younger sister, who resembled him (like a spitting image), walked by where I was standing on the rear entrance/exit of the Marriott Hotel, in route to The Centrum in Worcester MA. ❤🥊🥊
10:49 *Good stoppage by the ref. Sometimes you gotta save the (losing) fighter from himself - AND his corner. That dude was just taking punishment out there, despite his tough chin*
Howard was a tough customer, and the Ref stopping the contest was proper. Howard was defencless under the barrage by Ray after being staggered by his strong followup left hook. That was the exchange that finally crack the armored chin of Howard.
Ray Leonard had Bruce Lee type aura. He just lit up the screen with his shear presense. He had me waiting for his next fight like no other boxer before or since. When he lost to Duran in that first fight it was announced on the late night news in the UK by a young lady with these words: " Sugar Ray Leonard the man who has succeeded Muhamad Ali as the greatest has been beaten". What an accolade for any manb to carry.
Watching the 80s boxers as a trainer you can learn a lot to teach your amateur boxers. 1)Bowe= inside( uppercut) 2)Lewis=Left hook 3)Tyson= head movement 4)Sugar ray= Footwork 5)Foreman=arms defence 6)Hollyfield=Big heart 7)Ali= Jab The rest is history❤
Ray was murderous in his prime Kevin became enraged but he was visibly shaken badly, premature stoppage? maybe but the inevitable was coming Ray was gaining momentum and getting stronger Howard was going to get severely injured all bravado aside he had his moments against Ray and so did Floyd Sr. when Ray needed to be all That!,in his prime years he was one of The most Gutsy S.O.B’s to ever lace’em Up! Undeniably Tough 🥊!!
Anyone who was privileged enough to live through this period of middle weight boxing will have seen the sport at its absolute best. Luckily I was one of those who did.
Howard fought well and was a tough comeback fight for Leonard. That said, it’s important to note that he was behind on all three cards when the fight was stopped.
Loved Leonard, he had it all, speed, movement, and knockout power in both hands, and he was the best welterweight of all time, in my opinion. You could make an argument that Hearns was the 2nd best all time, but lacked stamina, so maybe not.
I’m 73. Never even had a beer or smoked anything. It’s the downfall of many a man and a complete and devastating scourge to Families and Society in general. Don’t kid yourself. You Control YOU.
I agree it was stopped prematurely - an 8 count would have been better. having said that, if it had gone the distance i believe Leonard would have won...
@@spenser6353 neither did Hagler lol, there was no knockdowns but that was definitely a beat DOWN! Marvin Hagler the greatest middleweight that ever lived✨🙌🏾👑
Look, Hagler competed in boxing from 1973 to 1987 and reigned as the undisputed champion of the middleweight division from 1980 to 1987, making twelve successful title defenses, all but one by knockout. Hagler also holds the highest knockout percentage of all undisputed middleweight champions at 78 percent. His undisputed middleweight championship reign of six years and seven months is the second-longest active reign of the 20th century. He was robbed by the judges against the cocky showboat golden boy. Hagler begged for a re-match but never got one. If Hagler didn’t give in to Golden Boy’s requests for 10oz gloves instead of the customary 8oz, the larger 22x22 foot ring, and most importantly granting Leonard 12 rounds instead of the customary 15, Hagler would have knock Ray out! PERIOD !!! The fight was close. Many thought it should have been a draw- where Hagler would have retained his title. and that 118-110 third judge, JoJo Guerra, had Leonard winning by a lopsided score of 118-110, having had Leonard winning 10 rounds and Hagler winning only 2 rounds. Guerra's scorecard was widely derided in the media following the bout. What fight was he watching ?! I saw a split decision win for the champion Marvin Hagler.
Scorecards were wonky to be fair. For instance on David’s official card He gave SRL a 10-8 in round 3 despite no knockdown which isn’t in line with convention in 1984. Then in round 4 he gave Howard a 10-9. This is objective and incorrect scored 2 round swing alone against Howard. On this card his final outcome was 79-74. He also gave 2 rounds a 10-10. Again in 1984, it wasn’t normal to I hand out 10-10 rounds so casually. 10-10 rounds by any rule set are meant to be incredibly rare. Only one referee awarded Howard the proper 10-8 in round 4 as the rules dictate specifically in case of a knockdown all else being equal. Even Sugars biggest fan wouldn’t say he did enough to overcompensate for that knockdown in that round haha that’s silly. George, the middle ref who correctly scored the 10-8 also was the only one who gave Leonard round 8…. Which… idk how the actual hell you do that. Howard pieced him up especially at the end of the round. Leonard kept throwing this double hook this round and Howard picked it apart scoring big. You can tell Ray was pissdd after that round and didn’t wanna risk the scoring he tried to confront Howard after 8 and Howard just shunned it . Ultimately I still think it was a great stoppage . He had no legs and couldn’t even get his arms up to grab Leonard. 10 would have been tragic if they made it. But the scoring was very very odd. Still a great stoppage and a win for Ray
I don't think Howard was ahead on the scorecards like he claims, but it was a close fight going into the final rounds. I will say that the ref stopped the fight too soon, way too soon, and I agree with Howard in that they may have done it to ensure that Sugar Ray won the fight. But I didn't agree with Howard in that he took all of Ray's shots and wasn't hurt. 😆 He was out on his feet when they stopped it, but that Ref should have let Ray knock him out and not stop it like that. It takes away from the fight when they do something like that, Kevin Howard deserved to go out on his shield if that's what he wanted because he had fought a tough fight up until then. It's just messed up that they stopped it like that. SMH Oh well, great fight anyways!😊
@@marcusgilmore5211 Didn't know it was twice. Saw the first one on TV when such great fights were on network broadcasts on a weekend afternoon. Will go find the rematch now to see that. Thanks.
@@iosis99 I thought they fought twice. I watched some documentary when he fought Bean in Europe. And they showed the highlights of the Jackson fight that they fought twice. I can’t would have loved to see him fight Roy Jones before he had that brain injury so an interview with Roy Jones talking about how good he was…
His worst nightmare was Duran. Why did Duran quit the 2nd fight? Because he refused to play by the new "point" rules that Leonard brought with him when he turned pro. Changed boxing forever....Sad.
@iosis99 Haglet retired from boxing because he couldn't get the rematch. I heard a radio interview with him in the late 90s and he said everything that fight came on he broke his TV.
I watched Leonard vs. Hagler live on TV. And as I remember, Leonard did outpunch Hagler, but it appeared to be mostly fluffy flurries that barely hurt the latter. And Hagler commented post-fight (which is admittedly politically-incorrect to say now), "He fought like a girl."
@@percyvaughan let me say this to you in order for Kevin a unknown to win he would have to knock Leonard out I'm a huge fan of SRL and he was not really winning the fight and the only reason they would have given it to SR is because he would have generated money another words he was the Vegas flunkee he was a drawing card to the public fortunately Kevin was not get it
@@GregBoyd-qg3il I remember watching this fight as a kid. Leonard was on pace to win an ugly split decision. Sugar Ray Robinson loss a decision to a tough black contender on his back with no rematch. I am a fan of Hagler, Leonard, and Hearns.
@@percyvaughan I lovex all of them but Leonard was my favorite like I said if that fight would have went the distance they would have given it to Leonard plain and simple
Small typos in the graphicsLeonard fought Hagler in 87 not 97. And Hearns rematch was 89 not 87. But anybody watching this probably knows that. Larry Merchant disgreeing with the stoppage is no suprise!
Howard was a tough fighter with good hands but the ref knew it was over. Howard literally tried to wrestle Ray to avoid those painful blows. Ray was not playing with him and if ref hadnt stopped it ray finishes him.
I don't care what Kevin Howard said, Ray was about to destroy him. Ray would've knocked him out by the 11th round. Ray started pounding on Kevin's body and that's how Ray chopped down Hearns in their first fight.
The referee has a duty to protect the fighter. If it looks the fighter might suffer a serious damage if the fight continues, the referee'll stop the fight. It requires an exercise of judgment of the situation.
People will always dislike Sugar ray Leonsrd for being too much of a showy boxer but outside of his eye injury he fought everything vand everybody other than Aaron Pryor which was a risk due to that injury and not enough my on the table at that time.. Hed best these welterweights of today in his prime for sure.
As great as Ray was… and he was…Both the draw with Tommy and The win awarded over hagler were travesties of boxing and it’s those types of decisions that stain the image of the Sweet Science.
Love that moniker, "Sugar Ray." He will always be one of my favorites of all time.
Leonard was not the only boxing great having that moniker. Sugar Ray Robinson career and exploits maybe more than Leonard.
He was not only one of the very best of all time; he was one of most enjoyable boxers to watch. I loved his speed, footwork, lightning fast combinations and his swagger.
Tyson crying while talking about SRL is one of the most endearing moments I’ve seen.
I'm pretty sure he was high.
@@tyr7859 This fact makes it even more endearing.
@@filmandcomposition This is true
@@filmandcomposition Tyson isn't afraid to show his emotions. If you laugh he will kick your ass until you're both crying then hand you some Kleenex he carries around for such occasions. My motto is when a man like iron Mike is crying I generally start tearing up too then I point out anybody that isnt look Mike this asshole thinks he's a tough guy teach him a lesson.
Boxing After Dark is STILL the best-EVAH boxing channel on YT! Thanks for another great and exciting documentary!
No, you're the best Lou!
I just subscribed because of your comment but I’ll be the Judge of it and keep you posted, 👊🏾🇳🇬🇺🇸
Yes I concur, this is a great channel.
Yo!!! Did you see that Uncle Ray Lenard was knocked down by a “Head Clash”
Omg!!! I don’t remember that at all…
Plus Uncle Ray’s targeting and body shots were incredible, 👊🏾🇳🇬🇺🇸
@@ayo30s I think you'll like it a lot! BAD brings rare footage, a corner man's eyes-on awareness, and a decidedly cinematic approach to his films!
I’m 75yrs. Old and I watched most all the fights back in the day. I really liked watching Sugar Ray and was always impressed with his cardio. He was quick but not the power of a lot of fighters. Anyway I miss those days they were more sane!
The people in power then, are still running the country today - therein lies the problem: baby boomers.
@@timgraaff7551 That's the irony of Sugar Ray Leonard. He was a pretty good puncher. Just would never know it fighting Hagler or Duran. Fights from 70s and 80s were great. Much better than today.
The treat in this video is seeing Marvelous Marvin Hagler smiling. 😄
Hagler didn’t laugh when ray beat him, infact he cried and retired
@@robertcolcombe6893 there's a video of the 2 talking bout a rematch but Leonard refused to give him one
@@robertcolcombe6893 nevr happened. fight was fixed ,fact. i was in the fight biz
@@robertcolcombe6893 Marvin did NOT cry after the fight with Ray !
After his retirement Marvin would be continually smiling, jovial and friendly .
Ray always had the class to admit that Tommy Hearns won their second fight. Great speed with his legs and hands, those incredible combination, smarts and heart. The complete fighter.
Everyone says so even Hearns but it’s not so.Leonard clearly won that fight.But because everyone says otherwise,and with Hagler backing Tommy Hearns no one wants to say otherwise.Even Leonard graciously admits that Thomas Hearns won the fight.But one more round, and Sugar Ray Leonard would have certainly stopped him.
@@biggieyorke8415exactly, I don’t see how you can score the fight for hearns round by round, people just say hearns was robbed because he scored 2 knockdowns but don’t mention that he was battered by leonard in the 5th and 12th
ONE OF THE GREATEST AND BESTES BOXER IN HISTORY!!!!! THE BEST OF THE BEST
Sugar was the one who got me interested in boxing. Watching him control the ring when I was a kid was a wonder to me.
That's the definition of anyone who is great at anything, they can take a fall but they always come back stronger.
BOXING AFTER DARK SALUTE YOU ONE MY FAVORITE CHANNELS ON UA-cam THANK YOU FOR THE GREAT CONTENT
Thanks fo the love, Keep doing your thing over there!
Facts! I lowkey be waiting for new videos
"Tuesday Night Fights" with Al Bernstein was a really great show back in the day.
Used to watch it before reporting for Third Shift at the gun factory.
I remember watching this live on HBO, and thinking maybe this would be Ray's last fight. Boy was I wrong!🥊🥊 Great episode! I love your channel!!
That was a premature stoppage Howard shouldve been given an 8 count maybe but he deserved a chance to keep going.
I agree. It was a BS stoppage.
@@highdefboxing8056- just like the hearns Leonard first fight no 8 count for Tommy hearns premature stoppage just like Howard srl the media darling of the wbc and wba boxing he didn't like giving rematches either, or ducked people i could go on about this.....
@@MarkPauley-ue1howhen the reff lets him beat the shit out someone y'all say the reff should've stopped it when the reff do stop a fight y'all that was premature dude can't win for loosing
@@sherrillraymond7595 - you might want to reread my comments premature stoppage is the key word in my comments
By prior agreement, there would be no standing 8 count. Anyway, Kevin was visibly more injured by that barrage than Ray was injured by the knock-down. But I agree; the fight shouldn't have been stopped at that moment.
A prime sugary Leonard beats all welterweights of today
Agree
A prime Sugar Ray Leonard beats ANY welterweight EVER.
I think Crawford would give him a go
Terrence Crawford NEVER fought a welterweight anywhere near the level of a sugar Ray Leonard. A washed up Kellbrook, near retirement Porter and a clearly deteriorating Post accident Errol Spence don’t count and certainly don’t come remotely close to A Prime Ray Leonard who had EVERYTHING going for him skill wise. I’ve seen lesser fighters put hands on Crawford and none of them had even a third of the ability that Wilfred Benitez, Thomas Hearns, Duran had. And these were the caliber of fighters Ray faced in his prime. Legitimate Hall of Fame killers who were all in their PRIMES As well. A mentally tired Porter who half trained and was pondering retirement, an inactive, diminished Spence, and a broken washed up Kellbrook don’t compare. And even if they were in their Primes Thomas Hearns Alone would destroy any of them , let alone Ray Leonard. Those guys were cut from a different cloth. No rehydration clauses, special weight restriction cut offs, marinating a fight for years till the other guy slows down etc….. they fought when it counted in their absolute PRIMES.
💯💯💯
Howard earned a lot of respect in this
But he left humility in the closet.
Sugar ray is one of the goats
Definitely my favorite fighter of all time
@@colinchesbrough57722nd
Ali 1st
Great narration, good quality fight clips without shitty music. the best historical fights in the world. what else could you want in a boxing channel ? you deserve a million subs sir
Leonard quite simply the best combination puncher of all time
O yeah
Of all time?? Ray Robinson. 43-0 as a welterweight.
I love SRL, but he might be in the top 5 of all time Welters.
Sooo many greats in that division.
Henry Armstrong
Barney Ross
Kid Gavalin
Floyd Mayweather.
I was never a advocate of Ray, but he was a great fighter, but MARVELOUS, was that guy!
Sugar Ray beat Hagler
Marvelous won that fight. Any true boxing fan saw that. Those pitty pat flurries at the end of rounds weren't effective. Judges ruined that call
@@sherrillraymond7595 never
Huh????
@@sherrillraymond7595 fixed fight fact. i was in the biz
This fight is absolutely vicious. Sugar ray lived up his name.
Thanks for another great upload and commentary.
and thanks for the love!
@@BoxingAfterDark- Thank you very much!
Leonard before the retina tear is the greatest fighter in history. He mastered every boxing skill and had no weaknesses.
@@borood1188 agree
@@borood1188 i wouldn't go that far but he is very very good. Personally I can't rank him ahead of men who fought two and three hundred times or more. Ray Robinson, Greb, Langford. We will never see their kind again.
@@SubwayProphet We’re talking different eras. Taking every fighter at their peak it’s Leonard. But Robinson had no injuries that altered his career.
@@borood1188 im sure he had plenty of injuries you don't fight two hundred times and not have but the fact he could fight so many times is a testament to his greatness. I like SRL but his injury came from boxing and he had to retire after forty fights Greb fought more than that in a single calendar year and went 45-0 later he had the same injury and went blind but continued to box for years and won the vast majority of his fights. Ray was a great fighter but I just don't think I could rank him ahead of RR at his peak was 128-1 who can top that?
@@SubwayProphet Greb was a tough guy, but he don’t have that kind of skill. He was brawler. Back then they had to fight so many times for money. In Leonard’s era they didn’t have to fight as often because Ali changed the game and brought a lot of money to boxing.
B.A.D. is my favorite boxing channel! I another classic!
I had the honor in my youth of being at this fight. Incidentally - his younger sister, who resembled him (like a spitting image), walked by where I was standing on the rear entrance/exit of the Marriott Hotel, in route to The Centrum in Worcester MA. ❤🥊🥊
You no ray was one off the best fighter I ever seen he gave us his all that's all I can say about ray love him😂
He had extremely quick hands. Maybe, even quicker than Ali's.
Ray was great in his prime gold in the Olympics and a great pro to god bless him
10:49 *Good stoppage by the ref. Sometimes you gotta save the (losing) fighter from himself - AND his corner. That dude was just taking punishment out there, despite his tough chin*
His speed of punching is just incredible
Every boxer has that one fighter that was a nightmare for them no matter how great you was.
Leonard would lock up with anyone. An absolute warrior in the ring.
Still my all-time hero!
Still didn't take the Title from Marvin, it was given to him.
Howard was a tough customer, and the Ref stopping the contest was proper. Howard was defencless under the barrage by Ray after being staggered by his strong followup left hook. That was the exchange that finally crack the armored chin of Howard.
Fave fighter, Pete from England
Dude did the stanky leg after that right cross 😂😂😂😂😂
Sugar Ray Leonard's SPEED is what stands out to me, especially after watching these fights in 2024.
Tommy climbed all those weight classes. That was impressive.
Howard was badly wobbled and failing to defend himself. The fight was rightfully stopped.
Ray Leonard had Bruce Lee type aura. He just lit up the screen with his shear presense. He had me waiting for his next fight like no other boxer before or since.
When he lost to Duran in that first fight it was announced on the late night news in the UK by a young lady with these words:
" Sugar Ray Leonard the man who has succeeded Muhamad Ali as the greatest has been beaten". What an accolade for any manb to carry.
Your videos are great, do one on the first Arguello vs. Pryor fight? That, was a legendary fight!
Watching the 80s boxers as a trainer you can learn a lot to teach your amateur boxers.
1)Bowe= inside( uppercut)
2)Lewis=Left hook
3)Tyson= head movement
4)Sugar ray= Footwork
5)Foreman=arms defence
6)Hollyfield=Big heart
7)Ali= Jab
The rest is history❤
💯💯 Add Frazier= pressure cutting off the ring
Sugar Ray waited 3 more years before accepting to fight Marvin Hagler. This tells you who was the better fighter at that time.
@@ALPHATOSHINEZA if they fought in rays prime hauler might have looked like an amateur
Sugar #1 Topgun
We all need a Brother like Suga brother 😂😂. No matter how high you get they never change lol
Ray was murderous in his prime Kevin became enraged but he was visibly shaken badly, premature stoppage? maybe but the inevitable was coming Ray was gaining momentum and getting stronger Howard was going to get severely injured all bravado aside he had his moments against Ray and so did Floyd Sr. when Ray needed to be all That!,in his prime years he was one of The most Gutsy S.O.B’s to ever lace’em Up! Undeniably Tough 🥊!!
I would really like to see you do a video on Victor Ortiz Jr vs Andre Berto.
such a good fight. still wondering how Ortiz got up from the uppercut!
Howard made a good account of himself by sending Ray to the canvas, despite losing. He deserves a rematch..
Lol Leonard never hurt Duran but Duran did scar Leonard to this day
Liked, subbed.
Hell of a fight, that one. 👍
“He wasn’t hurting me”, how many times have we heard that? The guy was taking head shots and returning nothing. Very dangerous situation.
Anyone who was privileged enough to live through this period of middle weight boxing will have seen the sport at its absolute best. Luckily I was one of those who did.
Howard fought well and was a tough comeback fight for Leonard. That said, it’s important to note that he was behind on all three cards when the fight was stopped.
Styles make good fights,i think sugar eay in his prine, against oscar de la hoya would of been good
Loved Leonard, he had it all, speed, movement, and knockout power in both hands,
and he was the best welterweight of all time, in my opinion. You could make an
argument that Hearns was the 2nd best all time, but lacked stamina, so maybe not.
How is this dude standing! He’s eating so many big shots from Sugar Ray!? Wtf, that just doesn’t make sense.
A BS stoppage. Man wasn't even down.
Kelvin Howard was a beast but haggler was a monster
RESPECT! ✊🏾
I’m 73. Never even had a beer or smoked anything. It’s the downfall of many a man and a complete and devastating scourge to Families and Society in general. Don’t kid yourself.
You Control YOU.
Sugar the finest boxer of all time..
Leonard was a great technician. He could have boxed Howard like he did Hagler rather than go toe to toe
6:54 ??? are they blind? Leonard clearly got head-butted! wow.
MANY DON'T KNOW THIS - RAY'S IDLE WAS BRUCE LEE & BRUCE LEE'S IDLE WAS MUHAMMAD ALI !!
We do tho
I agree it was stopped prematurely - an 8 count would have been better. having said that, if it had gone the distance i believe Leonard would have won...
Marvin Hagler BEAT THE BRAKES OFF Sugar ray Leonard I DON'T CARE WHAT YALL SAY😤
You're out of your mind...and you do care what "Y'ALL" say, because you wouldn't have said it if you didn't
I agree with you! Hagler wis that fight. Leonard run away all the time. Marvin was the champion and they robbed him
How do you Beat the brakes off someone with no knockdowns? Leonard had no marks on his face after the fight
@@Rinocalandrait was a close fight. I don’t think anyone got robbed
@@spenser6353 neither did Hagler lol, there was no knockdowns but that was definitely a beat DOWN! Marvin Hagler the greatest middleweight that ever lived✨🙌🏾👑
yes he was the goat in my eyes
Look, Hagler competed in boxing from 1973 to 1987 and reigned as the undisputed champion of the middleweight division from 1980 to 1987, making twelve successful title defenses, all but one by knockout. Hagler also holds the highest knockout percentage of all undisputed middleweight champions at 78 percent. His undisputed middleweight championship reign of six years and seven months is the second-longest active reign of the 20th century. He was robbed by the judges against the cocky showboat golden boy. Hagler begged for a re-match but never got one. If Hagler didn’t give in to Golden Boy’s requests for 10oz gloves instead of the customary 8oz, the larger 22x22 foot ring, and most importantly granting Leonard 12 rounds instead of the customary 15, Hagler would have knock Ray out! PERIOD !!!
The fight was close. Many thought it should have been a draw- where Hagler would have retained his title. and that 118-110 third judge, JoJo Guerra, had Leonard winning by a lopsided score of 118-110, having had Leonard winning 10 rounds and Hagler winning only 2 rounds. Guerra's scorecard was widely derided in the media following the bout. What fight was he watching ?!
I saw a split decision win for the champion Marvin Hagler.
Scorecards were wonky to be fair. For instance on David’s official card He gave SRL a 10-8 in round 3 despite no knockdown which isn’t in line with convention in 1984. Then in round 4 he gave Howard a 10-9. This is objective and incorrect scored 2 round swing alone against Howard. On this card his final outcome was 79-74. He also gave 2 rounds a 10-10. Again in 1984, it wasn’t normal to I hand out 10-10 rounds so casually. 10-10 rounds by any rule set are meant to be incredibly rare.
Only one referee awarded Howard the proper 10-8 in round 4 as the rules dictate specifically in case of a knockdown all else being equal. Even Sugars biggest fan wouldn’t say he did enough to overcompensate for that knockdown in that round haha that’s silly. George, the middle ref who correctly scored the 10-8 also was the only one who gave Leonard round 8…. Which… idk how the actual hell you do that. Howard pieced him up especially at the end of the round. Leonard kept throwing this double hook this round and Howard picked it apart scoring big. You can tell Ray was pissdd after that round and didn’t wanna risk the scoring he tried to confront Howard after 8 and Howard just shunned it .
Ultimately I still think it was a great stoppage . He had no legs and couldn’t even get his arms up to grab Leonard. 10 would have been tragic if they made it. But the scoring was very very odd. Still a great stoppage and a win for Ray
I don't think Howard was ahead on the scorecards like he claims, but it was a close fight going into the final rounds. I will say that the ref stopped the fight too soon, way too soon, and I agree with Howard in that they may have done it to ensure that Sugar Ray won the fight. But I didn't agree with Howard in that he took all of Ray's shots and wasn't hurt. 😆 He was out on his feet when they stopped it, but that Ref should have let Ray knock him out and not stop it like that. It takes away from the fight when they do something like that, Kevin Howard deserved to go out on his shield if that's what he wanted because he had fought a tough fight up until then. It's just messed up that they stopped it like that. SMH Oh well, great fight anyways!😊
Kevin sure lost a lot of brain cells in that one.
Another favor for Sugar Ray , that guy was not out of it
GOAT
I wish he would’ve fought Mike mcCallum. And Aaron Pryor.
They all avoided McCallum. Didn't McCallum dispatch Julian Jackson with relative ease?
@@iosis99 yes he beat him twice easily…
@@marcusgilmore5211 Didn't know it was twice. Saw the first one on TV when such great fights were on network broadcasts on a weekend afternoon. Will go find the rematch now to see that. Thanks.
@@marcusgilmore5211 ... only fought Julian Jackson once.
@@iosis99 I thought they fought twice. I watched some documentary when he fought Bean in Europe. And they showed the highlights of the Jackson fight that they fought twice. I can’t would have loved to see him fight Roy Jones before he had that brain injury so an interview with Roy Jones talking about how good he was…
Eubank jr 😂😂😂 tell me your joking without laughing
I was at the Ken Howard fight
I first saw ray beat up dave boy Green that was it I was hooked
I've always thought Leonard was overrated, and got a few gifts from the judges in some of his fights.
His worst nightmare was Duran. Why did Duran quit the 2nd fight? Because he refused to play by the new "point" rules that Leonard brought with him when he turned pro. Changed boxing forever....Sad.
Sugar ray was a miniature ALI.maybe more power at his weight class!
Why didn't Hagler get a rematch? He deserved one.
They were both too old and probably didn't care any longer.
@iosis99 Haglet retired from boxing because he couldn't get the rematch. I heard a radio interview with him in the late 90s and he said everything that fight came on he broke his TV.
SRL was one of the GOAT fighters.
A head bunt sent him to the canvas
I watched Leonard vs. Hagler live on TV. And as I remember, Leonard did outpunch Hagler, but it appeared to be mostly fluffy flurries that barely hurt the latter. And Hagler commented post-fight (which is admittedly politically-incorrect to say now), "He fought like a girl."
That fight was prematurely stopped by the ref
Yes it was. A political decision.
@@percyvaughan let me say this to you in order for Kevin a unknown to win he would have to knock Leonard out I'm a huge fan of SRL and he was not really winning the fight and the only reason they would have given it to SR is because he would have generated money another words he was the Vegas flunkee he was a drawing card to the public fortunately Kevin was not get it
@@GregBoyd-qg3il I remember watching this fight as a kid. Leonard was on pace to win an ugly split decision. Sugar Ray Robinson loss a decision to a tough black contender on his back with no rematch. I am a fan of Hagler, Leonard, and Hearns.
@@percyvaughan I lovex all of them but Leonard was my favorite like I said if that fight would have went the distance they would have given it to Leonard plain and simple
Howard wasn't fighting back.
What's the ref supposed to do?
Stoppage little early, but he was about to go.
Sugar ray was a genius
Small typos in the graphicsLeonard fought Hagler in 87 not 97. And Hearns rematch was 89 not 87. But anybody watching this probably knows that. Larry Merchant disgreeing with the stoppage is no suprise!
Howard was a tough fighter with good hands but the ref knew it was over. Howard literally tried to wrestle Ray to avoid those painful blows. Ray was not playing with him and if ref hadnt stopped it ray finishes him.
I don't care what Kevin Howard said, Ray was about to destroy him. Ray would've knocked him out by the 11th round. Ray started pounding on Kevin's body and that's how Ray chopped down Hearns in their first fight.
The referee has a duty to protect the fighter. If it looks the fighter might suffer a serious damage if the fight continues, the referee'll stop the fight. It requires an exercise of judgment of the situation.
People will always dislike Sugar ray Leonsrd for being too much of a showy boxer but outside of his eye injury he fought everything vand everybody other than Aaron Pryor which was a risk due to that injury and not enough my on the table at that time.. Hed best these welterweights of today in his prime for sure.
Most GREATS If "IF" They Had STOPPED When They Done IT ALL Would Be The BEST There WAS !😮
Kevin came to fight that's fight that's for sure but sugar ray was very special fighter
without a doubt, a top-five welterweight!
He’s top 1 or 2
Top 5....? He`s No 1.
Top 5?
#1 easily.
Are you joking?
Howard coping hard about not being hurt.
6:20 RIGHT HOOK
Anyone else think the angle @ 6:53 looks like a dead on headbutt? Am I just getting old?.??
I though the same but it wasn’t a headbutt, look at Howard’s head, it didn’t go back at all.
You should tell the judges
In forth round way no one saw the headbutt from the other view
I'll salute u
I still waiting if somebody's better or most complete boxer than Sugar Ray Leonard
As great as Ray was… and he was…Both the draw with Tommy and The win awarded over hagler were travesties of boxing and it’s those types of decisions that stain the image of the Sweet Science.