This just goes to show Humans are naturally prone to sharing and loving each other, it’s only when an authority figure pops in, that he/she divides and manipulates
@@refundreplayyes of course, but it still doesn’t take away from the main point. When resources are plentiful it allows our higher brain functions to take control, what we really are as humans, what makes us unique as opposed to animals. But when it’s scarce survival instincts take over and our lower “less developed” brain functions take charge.
Nature itself is prone to co-operation. Evolution doesn't occure without necessity, and cooperation among lifeforms is necessary. Conflict among lifeforms is not. A world of total abundance would breed no predators. Sounds fantastically idealistic, but humans have already proved it possible. We do compete and we do war, but it can be arranged. Most individuals spend a lifetime without so much as an impulse to cause serious harm. A world purely of cooperation is theoretically possible. A world purely of conflict is not. Life would form, not less thrive.
I think the ''insecure'' is wholy misperception: it's actually so that men want to take charge because they're less swayed by emotions, have higher stress tolerance, systematic* thinking (thus strategising), etc.
@@particleconfig.8935 The raft faced three crises. The rudder, the storm, the ship. In each case, there was a woman who would nominally be responsible for handling it. In each case, Santiago asserted his own primacy, then handled the situation like a useless fool who might have gotten them all killed. He comes across as being far more swayed by his emotions, less tolerant of stress, and less systematic in his thinking than the diver and captain, who were women.
The part about the woman escaping an abusive relationship on the raft and the African woman feeling connected to her ancestors with the voyage was so sweet
Self-discovery is rarely bad, dude. Good for her for being able to zoom out of the issues in her life so that she sees how small they are. Whether or not it really was her fault, any relationship that makes someone feel bad is unhealthy, and she escaped that.
@@davidowens5898 Can you timestamp for me the part where she took responsibility for her own life decisions that culminated in her landing on that raft ? Thank you in advance.
Little did anyone realize that the real experiment was about how groups of strangers become tighter and more trusting when they have a common enemy in a position of authority/power. Santiago was the martyr the world didn't deserve.
This is the same theory that was used in the Watchmen comic Where the antagonist decides that the only way the world countries would stop waring with each other, would be by having a common invincible enemy.
Ironically enough, it looks like Santiago's constant antagonizing might've been one major factor in bringing the group together, as they all had hating him in common.
I saw an interview with a woman who had escaped from N. Korea to the south. When asked if she missed anything about N. Korea, she said she missed the camaraderie. In N. Korea, everyone was going through hard times under a crazy ruler and it brought people together. S. Koreans did not have those challenges or the bonds.
@@fulanichild3138 "S. Koreans did not have those challenges or the bonds." South Koreans were also under a dictatorship for a long time and struggled together against it.
The participants all had something big in common: they were all the sort of person who signs up to drift across the ocean in a raft for a science experiment. That's not your average person!
This is what I thought immediately. You wouldn't expect a CEO to do this, and you wouldn't expect a single parent living paycheck-to-paycheck to do this either. This "experiment" was flawed from the jump!
Beyond even the trip itself, they are all people who would be willing to sign up to a science experiment. You’re unlikely to get a true range of people from society, i theorise the most toxic participants in society would probably not be interested in any volunteering activity whatsoever. This would pre-dispose the actual selection pool of people applying for this experiment with much higher qualities than the average person that Santiago was looking for. So he may have the results he theorised if he’d selected from a truly open pool of people. Interesting experiment nonetheless.
Imagine if Santiago's antics got so bad that the crew decided to kill him. That would've been some absolutely juicy irony. Santiago wanted to turn people against each other, and in trying to do so he turned them against himself.
Santiago was trying to figure out why he had sadistic tendencies himself. He twisted his understanding of reality to try and justify his own inner demons. He wanted a moment where he could look at others and say, yes you're all like me when the chips are down, but unfortunately for him, most people aren't born with his Machiavellian emotionally-manipulating survival skillset. I was, so I understand him. Those nice people on the raft gave him a shot at becoming a better person by their example. I hope he took it.
Nah. Man's too stupid and unlikeable to be any sort of Machiavellian. The whole point is be feared while trying to be loved, all Santiago inspired was hatred and contempt. He's the sort of guy Cesare Borgia would release as a prisoner because he's sure to do more damage to his enemies once he's back at camp.
It's really cool that you admit, readily, your own bad tendencies. I do the same personally. Once we humans recognize the shifty parts of us we can then do better
"some people just want other people to fight" that is what we call a stochastic terrorist and unfortunately they are currently a thirst for all of the profit driven media when bigger issues and better ideas are being discussed elsewhere. We entertain ourselves to death. But there is hope when the shit hits the fan, like a solar event destroying even shielded electronics, I think people will still work together and help their neighbors how to garden farm and livestock until it's time to arm up and defend that gas refinery from that muscle head war lord and his mohawked crew of recreational vehicle owners and their tragically mod boyfriends.
Well, he had a reason. You might not think it was a worthy reason, but that's different from no reason at all. He was deeply troubled by the violence in the world. He wanted to find out why violence happened, so that he could stop it. He did the best he could think of, but it didn't produce results. When people give it their best to the things they care deeply about, but it fails spectacularly, people tend to become frustrated. Accepting that his best wasn't enough would mean he wouldn't solve the problem of violence (who would've thought, eh?) So he refused to accept it, and it led him to evil. Still, in the end, he did NOT resort to violence, the worst he did was being a terrible person to everyone else, which is not that bad compared to what people have done throughout history. In his mind, being a terrible person was not a big price to pay if that meant getting rid of violence in the world. This actually shows one of the roots of evil - people with good intentions struggling to accept that they can't solve everything, which leads them down the path of trying increasingly desperate solutions, until one day they find themselves in the abyss and wonder how did it ever come to this. As the proverb says, "the road to hell is paved with good intentions".
I wouldn't be surprised if this wasn't on the very minds of the crew when discussing the idea of murder. As much as Santiago deserved comeuppins, he didn't deserve to have his point proven. Even against himself.
It's weird, because if Santiago had just studied himself rather than the test subjects, he would have found a pretty satisfactory answer to his question.
It's almost like humans have spent hundreds of thousands, if not millions of years living in small groups with tight bonds and supporting each other to survive and got very good at it over time.
@@brad5426 Even if the need for survival was involved, even in the most difficult enviroment... banding together in a small group with tight bond & working together to survive was basically what our ancestors did. If it would have always resulted in violence like what this sadistic Santiago had in his twisted mind, there would have been no civilization today.
It’s fascinating how Santiago actually managed to figure out exactly how he could create world peace: make different kinds of people live together, and give them a common enemy (himself). Truly, a man dedicated to peace
I'm no psychologist but I saw a video about this: being in a rare scenario with a few people creates a strong bond, while being in a very everyday scenario with a bunch of people doesn't. A good example is air travel. Usually you don't talk to nearly anyone at the airport or on your flight, but when it's significantly delayed, it's a completely different story. When flights get delayed for a long time, people start talking, taking care of each other, sharing food and stuff. Really bonding. Same with life threatening situations. One would think that when a building catches on fire, people would panic and run over each other, just to save their butts. But in reality, that's when you see the most brave and heroic actions, like going back in to save someone. Where I'm going with this is that his hypothesis for this "experiment" should have been that they would just become really a really close friend group, like a family, because they have so much in common. However I think this was quite recently found out and probably wasn't well known during this.
Yeah, we at work have recently managed to lose a ignorant narcissist senior manager, who got so corrosive as to bring himself into question of his senior managers (for once). But in the way of management, moved sideways out of the way, and as might be not much of a surprise to many, an ex-police officer.😐
Another thing to remember is this is almost purely propaganda, and what the pros call "selling a narrative". Did anyone stop to think about the boats that were accompanying the raft? The narrator seems blissfully unaware. How does anyone really know whether or not the crew "contemplated killing Santiago, and thinking of a way to make it look like an accident"? Does this sound like a fine group of upstanding individuals? Have any of you ever contemplated killing your ignorant narcissist senior manager before? I think this experiment unveiled a bit more than just the alleged strange behaviors of people who were wanting and willing to participate in a psychological experiment on a raft in the middle of an ocean. Just saying🙄
@@Rick-the-Swift "Have any of you ever contemplated killing your ignorant narcissist senior manager before?" Not seriously. BUT, if we had to put up with him 24 hours a day on a boat in the middle of the Atlantic, after it became obvious he was trying to get US to KILL EACH OTHER, it could certainly become an option.
The most intriguing part of the Acali’s story, to me, is just how the roles were reversed. The man who intended to create problems created peace, and in turn that peace caused him frustration. It’s a weird but admirable story.
This experiment has been repeated many thousands of times during the age of sail and after. It wasn't the harsh discipline on some navy ships that kept the groups working together. It is human nature. Otherwise, sailing wouldn't have been the preferred mode of transport throughout most of history and even pre-history.
Ok now do it with one person (or a few people) being greedy and trying to monopolize everything for themselves, then tell me if you get peace and harmony.
It occurs to me that one of the key elements is that the people were prepared to deal with the situation. The only person who actually devolved into more "baseline instincts" was the one person who was unprepared to do his job: Santiago himself.
- believes sex is the cause of violence - wants to test his theory - develops a scenario where there are more women than men which reduces the sexual competition between men 😂 darwin award for science
@@qq84 i dont think this experiment would be destined to end up in violence in any case, but more men than women seems to be the logical choice in order to create competition and animosity between the men. its rarely women who incite violence and war.
Crazy how the perverted violent element he theorized and craved throughout this entire trip was literally him. Edit : so that's how it feels to have a liked comment.To clarify, i'm surprised a certified psychologist could not consider his own observer's bias earlier on throughout such a long journey. But can you imagine if everybody had just enough self-awareness to come back from every moment they've made errors of judgement with humility and awareness ? It's candid i know but i feel (and maybe that is my own bias) as though understanding the ways in which we can all be neglectful of other's viewpoint in favor of our own, could really help society devellop a more civilized discourse, and that could help A LOT. (If you've come this far thank you for reading me.)
I have done two winter expeditions where we had to share confined spaces in a tent, while melting snow and other chores. We had to travel in a single file while on cross country skis to save energy; the person at the front flattens the snow for everyone else. The group dynamic in the first expedition was terrible and in the second expedition was great. It was the constellation of personalities, not the circumstances, that made all the difference.
It’s so ironic that Santiago wanted all of the passengers to become violent, but as the experiment progressed, you see how he became the violent and aggressive one. Absolutely hilarious (yet terrifying)
Maybe he was projecting his feelings onto others and looking for affirmation through the results of an experiment. He was so sure it would exceed, that when it didn’t, he couldn’t believe what was happening and tried to influence the others around him to think the way that he was. He was sure a seed he planted here and there would lead down a path of violent behaviour.
Your materials are a gem on my journey as an ESL teacher. Your tone and your natural calming, steady speed of expression provide me with tons of materials to share with students who can barely form a sentence. On top of that these are beautiful pieces on philosophy, psychology and everything people usually are naturally interested in.
The Stamford Prison Experiment and the Milgram Experiment also didn't happen like the popular stories said. It took considerable pushing by the experimenters to get the subjects to overcome their resistance to abusive behavior. "Can you make people do it?" is a completely different question than "Will people do it if not held back?"
yes it's crazy how the Stanford Prison Experiment is completely uncredible and has been the entire time but no one seems to acknowledge it. Last semester one of my college classes textbook had a whole section on it. I mentioned to the teacher that the study had been disproven and she just sort of brushed me off, I guess just because it's such a well known study.
His experiment did work. He found out what made humans aggressive, he did get violence and aggression on the boat but only with one person himself. He found out that violence and aggression is caused when someone has an agenda or motive that they want to happen one way and no other way, when someone wants to be in control of situations and others that is what cases violence and anger in himself.
His experiment didn't work because there was ample provision and he was on board - almost in a quantum physics kind of way, being there as an observer changes the outcome of the observation. Because he's there, they feel like there is a chaperone, and there is no responsibility to provide their own food, shelter etc. The only real way for this experiment to work would be to abduct the people and maroon them, otherwise as long as they know there is a set term & they are safe and provided for, there will obviously not be any squabbles until an extended period of time has elapsed.
This experiment reached a conclusion. It showed how too often the wrong people are in control but if good people come together, they can overcome the malicious intents of a violent, power hungry coward of a leader.
Good assessment! I also read somewhere psychopaths and their undying need for control, propels them into leadership positions. Probability is on their side, henceforth, large numbers of psychopaths are in control of many organizations. A test should be created to assess brain chemistry of candidates.
You say this and so I then need to ask you..... These "wrong" people you speak of, do you think the leaders of modern corporations should be included or excluded? I'll give you 3 examples. Disney Microsoft Dyson
Seems like he discovered what I've always called "The Summer Camp Effect" When a group of strangers are isolated together for an extended period of time, friendships and relationships tend to grow at an accelerated rate compared to normal society
Same thing when joining the military. After a week or two one tends to gravitate toward certain people, forming friendships that often last a lifetime.
These people didn't have to compete with each other, didn't have to spend their time try to make ends meet etc. They had everything in plenty and could spend their time as they saw fit. This, this is the key. Even thought its a poorly designed experiment, I think we can still take this as the important outcome and can make this as the main goal of how society should be organized.
One factor that seemed to be ignored is that they had enough food for themselves already. And it wasn't impossible to capture foods from the ocean with the participants. Lack of basic food creates a massive difference.
I had the honor to personally meet Maria, the captain, a year ago. She still got it by the way, met her on one of the old cultural sailboats (a schooner) here in Sweden. Turns out she was the first female Swede to be officially a captain of a ship and already had formidable experience, crazy how Santiago got her into this mess. She was kind of pissed that her name has almost become synonymous with this social experiment instead
seeing them all interacting with each other is warming my heart. they all seem like such sweet people, no wonder they got along so well and supported each other. they had a collective hatred of santiago which made them stronger together, the fact that they debated killing HIM is so fascinating. i can’t blame them either 😭
I love that you put “Sex Raft” in the thumbnail, both mirroring the media’s sensational version of the story and taking advantage of clickbait to share a more wholesome story
Yeah this is a smart clickbait. You see first the words "Sex raft" but then you see "restore faith in humanity". Both are on opposite ends so we get curious on how those two sentences correlates.
the fact that it said sex raft kept me away from the video many times youtube recommend it to me, after long the faith in humanity built up enough curiosity
He included - apart from himself - only decent people, basically normal people with various talents and competency. This might be the actual reason they were so friendly with each other. Include two people with the same talent and different opinions on how to do something that falls in their domain, here be conflict, but not necessarily violence. I'd guess the reason violence comes from people like the ones he included is because of the need to defend against rare individuals with a predatory mindset like Santiago.
That is because Santiago was such an interfering trouble maker, trying to make other people fight with each other. He is lucky they did not lock him in his cabin or drop him off on an island.
I think he proved that left to our own devises given the ability to communicate we will find a way to work thing out. Violence comes from evil people working behind the scenes manipulating us.
I love the irony of the experiment that it ultimately proved a completely different scenario that he did not expect, and as onlookers to hindsight we can see that everyone got along except with him 😆 for what he was trying to manipulate and accomplish. If only he somehow had twisted it at the end to show that he wanted to see how well they would work against a malicious actor.
Interesting detail from The Guardian: "Overthrown, Genovés retreated below deck and collapsed into depression, made worse by news on the radio that his university wanted to be dissociated from the scandalous Sex Raft headlines. While lying there he started to cry for the first time since childhood and had an existential epiphany, writing: “Only one has shown any kind of aggression and that is me, a man trying to control everyone else, including himself.” The detached scientist had gone on a Conradian journey, ultimately realising that the heart of darkness was inside him."
Turns out, it was good and therapeutic for him. Maybe losing his career and credibility was worth it in comparison. But then, he'd have to start again, hopefully, this time, with better insight into who he was and what he had been capable of.
You know, Santiago basically failed the whole thing before it even started. 1: Instead of viewing his experiment as a way to gather data, he just really wanted it to conform to his biases. He simply wasn't open to any alternative outcomes that might disprove his thesis. 2: He tampered with his own experiment. Even if the endresult actually reflected what he thought should happen, it would all be worthless if that outcome was only achieved by manipulating things to go that way. A significantly more reasonable set-up for the experiment would have been for him to not be present on the raft at all, instead accompanying it on a separate vessel and only meeting up occasionally to distribute and retrieve questionnaires. Either way, his thesis was largely bogus. Sex may occasionally lead to violence but that is largely contextual. A balanced group like the one he decided to bring aboard, which had all their needs met, had no reason to break into violence. A less diverse cast with more simulat needs and preferences might actually have carried more potential for conflict as there might have been some competition involved, though even then it's unlikely. Humanity has spent most of its time on this planet travelling around in small, close-knit groups and if such circumstances had great potential for violence, we would never have had much success as a species. Violence generally is a result of stress, competition, scarcity and badly adapted cultural concepts.
And, shockingly, humans are not chimps. Certainly not in our sexuality and treatment of hierarchies. Humans can endure circumstances of extreme privation without resorting to violence. People have often died en masse in famines without attacking each other for resources.
Couldn't have phrased it better myself. As someone who has read up on several experiments on psychology and human behaviour, the moment the narrator said that the bare necessities have been met, his experiment was a failure. IIRC there was a Russian island that was used to imprison people under much worse conditions resulting in an outbreak of violence and cannibalism. Edit: Found it. Nazino tragedy
Allegedly, and I believe it, the reason is so easy to "hook up" in college is because everyone experiences approximately the the same emotional highs and lows, at the same time. As well as approximately the same schedule etc. The year begins (elation mostly), various social events, the stress of mid terms and the relaxation after words, then, Thanksgiving break the stress of final exams. Not to mention difficult classes tend to cause study groups to gather with their various dynamics, then Christmas break and repeat
Nah I believe its the individual's moral principles, some people are too shallow to desire or develop deep bonds leading to long term relation, they just want short term release. Although other reasons such as peer pressure could also play a role.
Nice talk, loved it. Sorry for English, though, when one of the ladies was describing that she always felt that she had to be better etc. I felt incredibly touched. I always felt like the poster girl of Islam for others because of the hijab and though hijab was and is suppose to protect me in fact you get (especially men) so many voices telling you you have to do this that and other. Basically judging you. Telling me this is not hijab or that’s not hijab, when in fact THEY should lower their gaze. So it’s like a double edged sword… Love my hijab but sometimes it is so divisive that I lose my overall spiritual connection with Allah swt…
Yea what a vibe… all them years of evolution n conscious decision making all just to sit on a raft for 100 days n be manipulated to resort back to Neanderthal type behavior 🤣🤣 thank god they “overcame” it😭
@@daquandavis5498 they seemed pretty happy to go back to "neanderthal behavior" and I think it would be healthy for a lot of people to get away from the modern world once in a while.
I’ve always HATED being in large groups even with people I know. It’s always made me so uncomfortable. Yet, when I went on a 1 week tip to the mountains of Tennessee with a group of strangers, I came out of it loving people like I never loved before. This is the second time it’s happened to me. It’s incredible how the human brain is wired to INSTANTLY join in on the group of people you’re living with and how easy it is to form a great team.
@@HeroOfPandasnaw.. I'm pretty introverted as well, but I think when everyone is experiencing something new together we naturally find common ground, I've also had similar experiences, and after I've settled into a place for awhile eventually revert back to being uncomfortable in large groups again
Great video and experiment result! So humans generally sharing ,loving ,supporting in small groups. (I dont know what would happen if the group is larger). Simply shows me that in our every day's life our politicians, are the "bad apples",like the scientist himself and whose separate others (countries, communities, people). 1 "bad apple" ,if power given to him or to her can ruin bunch of "good apples "...there is a lesson to be learned
If he tried his experiment on a much larger raft with hundreds of people his experiment might have gone as he was expecting. Kind of like how small communes do really well, but trying to scale that up across a large swath of the population inevitably leads to a breakdown of harmony.
Yes this is why true (leaderless, consensual) Communism works great in small hippie communes, but fails miserably in larger groups and should not be taken seriously as a viable form of government. The so-called "communist" regimes were merely totalitarian dictatorships with the communism being a make-nice performative act forced upon the people to try to get them to accept it (and to try to make it look good for the rest of the world) which it did not and does not because of how appallingly oppressive each regime was/is.
Santiago: "I want to find a way to make people live in peace and make love" People: (live in peace and make love) Santiago: "No not like that, you are supposed to kill each other"
@@rubenlarochelle1881 because of society itself. It was built upon a competition between countries, but now competition has moved on the lowest lvl possible. You may expect wars should restore unity, but this is not a case. We need actually destroy society and rebuild it anew, otherwise it will remain hostile environment.
That’s something I always thought in post apocalyptic media:) sure, some groups would fight over scarce resources, but that’s all you ever see 🤷🏻♀️ One of the first tricks human kind learned is how to work together 😂 we are spongy, fragile little creatures and our intelligence and cooperation were our only saving grace. Tribalism exists in humans to an irrational degree (for example, sport fans), and some groups would be working together, taking care of each other, and rebuilding 🙃 it’s what we do, it’s how we got to this point in the first place!
Wait, so he made an abundant temporary getaway in a welcome setting, with hot dudes and competent women - and that was supposed to cause conflict? And also there were more women than men. And one of the men was celibate, and his profession was basically a community counsellor (the priest). It sounds to me like he inadvertently made one of the social circles least likely to devolve into violence. And then he accidentally gave them a common foe to unite against (himself), so there was even less likelihood of internal conflict.
Interesting that you mentioned sexual competition being a major catalyst for conflict. It is well known fact. Currently in Ireland our EU led government are transplanting hundreds of military age male migrants in to small Irish towns and villages which has almost immediately caused and increase in violent and sexually motivated crimes. The media is silent and anyone who speaks out is labeled a racist. It's amazing how ignorant politicians are in relation to human nature and how unlikely they are to survive popular civil unrest.
i cant imagine the coincidence i just witnessed. im watching this video while my tv is turned on. i get to about the 5 minute mark and by that point i know the whole premise of the experiment and the name of the ship; acali. Now, on the tv i had the discovery channel turned on, and i look for a second towards the tv and see the words “ACALI 2” written on the side of the raft. its a new show called “survive the raft” that basically wants to recreate the experiment in todays age. really a wild coincidence
Santiago is conplete delusional scientists thinkinh humans would act like monkeys, so he wasted ton of time and money on thsi scientific experiment.😂 Its that monkeys use violence and agression to show dominance, so their more easily able to get females, but its not human behvaiour, when humans are more intelligent, so they dont need that much dominance anymore to try get the females.
If you want to drive people in to violence make them all work every day and there still not be enough food and stuff to go arround, it is in harsh economic conditions that people take care of their own first and have nothing left over for others, if not out right need plunder from others to take care of their own.
It shows that people are naturally inclined to cooperate with each other. It's heart-warming how they essentially turned against the biggest jerk on the boat XD
Small group of people with a common issue. There can't be a more solid group. What about doing this experiment with a huge group of people in a place where there are no common problems? The result might be interesting. Oh, that's society!
I mean they were just on a raft with plenty of food water and stuff and it was same number of men and women. What are they even supposed to fight over other than petty "i dont like that guy" only real problems they had were things like fix the boat weather the storm , dont crash eith anothet ship basically something they will all work together on. For actual conflict there needs to be bigger group, conflicting interests and propbably limited resources in some way ppl arent idiot savages to fight over nothing(well in survival kind of situation you have plenty ppl fighting over bs in relaxed situations)
Pretty sure most people know about the book Lord of the Flies, where school boys were trapped on a deserted island for months and reverted to savagery and barbarianism. How many know of the real life "lord of the flies" when in 1965 a group of boys ages 15-18 ended up being stranded on a small speck in the pacific ocean, Ata island, for 15 months. The real life version couldn't be more different from the novel. Once they were found they were in good health, formed a democracy of sorts, and even crafted a fishing pier and running track.
_Lord of the Flies_ was written to convey William Golding's passionate belief that men are inherently cruel, and women are superior. I think he was just wrong about that. Men _are_ more physically violent (because of testosterone and cultural conditioning) but both men and women demonstrate similar levels of cruelty.
yeh lord of the flies is a good book. but its just not the way that kind of thing goes. small groups especially when in trouble bond much more than they fall apart.
I've found most of these 'Social Experiments' from the 60s, 70s & beyond were usually quite bizzare, really creepy, or downright sadistic. They usually said more about the perversion of the lead Scientist than any real human failings. Like most reality TV producers, I guess.
@@aaronmichaelmusic_ just like now, if it was labelled 'research' and/or a tv/film camera was involved, then yes. It's funny how the presence of a camera suddenly makes nothing illegal or immoral.
You hit it in the head dude,.. the principle: "a point of view of the world, that tells you more about the person making the point, rather than anything true about the world" is what applies to this Santiago hack.
Sounds like a certain political demographic in play now that is doing everything it can to try and get decent people to fight with each other over really stupid things. Everyone with any functional brains at all can see right through their games and does nothing.
I have never thought about group behaviour in this way before, but thinking about it, I would say it in some terms corrolate with experiences from my own life. You have various connections to groups during your life, in many cases I have seen and experienced how groups bond, share experiences and can be quite inclusive towards others. It's the person that does not really want the group to function that way that starts to cause the issues. I'm personally tired of the "Lord of the Flies" comparison (I'm not refering to the use in this video btw.) that is so often depicted in movies tv series and shows, as a concept that drives the actions of the characters forward, it seems to me to be counter intuitive to how people would react in many instances. And if Santiagos initial idea was true, I wonder how any small society/tribe of pre modern age would actually have survived. It seems to me that if Santiago was correct, they would have self destructed.
I once reported to a VP of HR who had similar characteristics of Santiago. Except for one person, a female underling who was similar but more sneaky, there was great celebration in the team when new ownership retired him. He was very unhappy being forced into retirement with his outsized severance package b/c he seemed to live for the drama he endlessly created at work.
As a ex US Navy sailor with multiple deployments under my belt the results of this story do not surprise me in the slightest: comraderies like this crew experienced back then happen to tens of thousands of people every year in the worlds Navies.
This happens any time you put a small group together in the face of shared adversity. It even has a name "Unit Cohesion". It becomes stronger the greater the level of shared adversity.@@catalindeluxus8545
So if it were just Tucker Carlson and Rachel Maddow, what would happen? Would each of their holier-than-thou snark combine to cause their raft to ignite and combust?
My main concern (at first) would have been the soundness and seaworthyness of the raft. Was it built by professionals with heavy weather in mind? Does the rest of the crew know what they're doing? Etc. No matter which way the social experiment would have gone, shipwrecking and dying surely would have put a stop to all scientific analyses.
He could have still published the results, I am sure there were new things about human behavior that could have been studied further. But he was not in tune with what was actually happening, he was more interested in the results he wanted
legit even though it sorta is consider "failed" experiment cleary there still something to study like how maybe it not the end of the result . Something like that
He published the book "Acali" (several editions in Spanish) and "The Acali experiment" in English. You can search "Acali book". By the way, the author's name used for the book is Santiago Genoves. In this video the author mentions Santiago Tarazaga, which is the second surname (in Spanish names the surname from the father & mother are used, so the complete name is Santiago Genoves Tarazaga). All books are used & some of them quite expensive.
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10 years ago, I was in hospital for 3 months, and against all odds, it was a wonderful time because I spent all day long with the same people and we grew very close. This experience was absolutely transformative for me and everybody should make it once in their life. Sadly, when I got discharged, we grew apart just as quickly as we had grown close.
Same i was in a mental rehab 2 years ago for two months. One of the best times in my life no joke. Never felt so close to people, sadly i have only contact with one of them....
Yeah, shared adversity tends to bring people together, not pull them apart. It's generally only when one person tries to assert authority over the group and the group rejects that authority that they fracture.
Perhaps. Depends how sociable you are. I would hate to be around friends for three months straight and I actually hope that situation never happens to me.
Because you were all on same level with same condition, BUT if somebody from you would get better or better condition than you would see different environment for 100% 😎👌
They bonded because they had to; survival would not have occurred if they didn't work together. You also can't compare small level economics like this and think it will perfectly match larger, macro-economics of a nation; there is just too much more at play. We are also tribal at our biological core. We are wired to bond and work together on some level of cooperation. We all seek some level of personal benefit from our interactions, and these micro-actions usually benefit the group overall.
I'm pausing this at 5:00 to say: Experiments with a particularly desired outcome seems like an icky way to conduct science. There's a line between hypothesis, what you expect will happen, and actually wishing or contriving a particular outcome. Perhaps the rest of the video delves into this.
It still happens today in medicine when people want a medication to fail or succeed. You can modify many factors including dosage and timing. You can also throw out potential harms by having a doctor decide the drug did not do it!!
Yes! I've known a few guys who shared his fantasy of the natural state of humans as an everyone for themselves violent sex competition where only the lone alpha dominates the females. Ironically all the people who believe this are physically weak nerds from well-off families.
Also, if your goal is to study physical aggression arising from sexual competition, it makes no sense to put more women than men on the boat. Since men are generally more promiscuous and more violent. That makes me suspect that he was just contriving a situation where attractive women had to spend time with him.
My summary of this video: A project was made to find peace through conflict. There was no conflict, just peace. The Researcher got mad at the peace, and tried to make conflict. It only drew the participants closer together. My thoughts: I don’t think Santiago realized it, but his project did succeed to a degree. He himself, became the conflict that plagued his participants, and through that, they grew closer, defied authority, and worked together to survive.
The true summary of this video: UA-camr lacking formal education in a topic gives a shallow and ignorant take on a true social experiment. Santiago realized it, Santiago's entire goal was to become hated. When the participants of the raft were able to build community, he wrote questionnaires to establish himself as the villain, and made increasing efforts to become a villain for them to band against. He didn't just hop over to the raft and say sexist remarks for fun, he didn't mope and laze around for fun, he didn't make racist remarks for fun, he didn't go from villain to fake illness for fun. Every. Single. Bit. Of. It. was an effort to manipulate the subjects. It's so incredibly naive to think that the guy who dedicated his life to these studies, Santiago, wouldn't know how to continue to manipulate his own experiment.
@@ELeviathan33who should I trust? A trusted youtuber who has shown to get his information from trustable sources and also shows no malice or agenda in his informative videos OR some random guy on the internet trying to belittle him for no reason?
@@ELeviathan33any experiment where your trying that hard to manipulate the outcome is void anyway, that’s not how science works and it’s almost funny you would make such an argument when the man himself realized what a fool he had been and did several interviews and reflections after saying so.
It's tempting to see all the people on the raft becoming friends as the main takeaway from this story, but don't forget that Santiago, who was supposed to be the most educated and open-minded of the group failed to see any good in their bonding and instead could not stop dreaming of violence breaking out and literally made them obey him against their own safety "Some men, just want to see the world burn"
Open minded? Did you forget the blatently racist and sexist stuff he said? Besides that going against the orders of the captain and putting everyone in danger.
Just another (added to the millions we already had) reminder that lots of education does not necessarily make a non-horrible person. Some would say just the opposite; it's probably major fuel for the "coastal elites" idea.
It’s because he was obsessed with finding the cause of human violence, and he just tunnel visioned on that. He privately experienced what has happened many other times in history to science at large regarding other topics. The scientist goes too far with his research and ends up doing awful things. I think he was genuinely convinced that he could find a universal cause of human violence and could come up with some solution for peace. He just didn’t realize how fundamentally flawed that is. Think of how many things in human history have resulted in wars. Religion. Pride. Greed. Essential resources (of which there are money). Ideology. Racism and general prejudice. Even a simple history of hostility has been enough, rather than anything in current day. Human conflict on the macro scale really has nothing to do with sex. It hardly even does on the micro scale, at this level of civilization anyway. Our most primal reason for conflict is resources, but even then nowadays it’s for more complicated things like oil, rather than basic things like food or water (though that has never been irrelevant). Our reasons for conflict today are more sophisticated. Ideology. Religion. Historical animosity and control over world events.
Except this experiment shows that we don't need a common enemy. They were getting along fine before Santiago started causing problems. And they got along fine after they dealt with him and he secluded himself.
@@Yusuf1187 I'd wager that some of us don't but most people just regress to the mean and re-adjust to expect the new level of comfort - whatever that may be. I have faith in humanity, just not Hume's mob. ;)
I wonder ... what was Santiago's plan IF violence broke out aboard the ship? You mentioned that the crew, after the apex of Santiago's provocations, at least thought about murdering him. A group that was obviously in harmony and rather tried to silence the only threat to their peaceful coexistence. If they DID start to fight ... why would they leave him alone? They'd still remember the provocative questionnaires
His plan was to masturbate furiously. It was very evident by every detail of the plan and action taken on his journey that it was all a sexual adventure and he wanted a visual of some dark fantasy but instead got reality and got pissy about being blueballed and losing his lifes work of being a pervert (an easy thing to do in that time period)
I actually think his presence helped them get along better. The fact that they even considered killing him suggests the feelings were really extreme. If they had any issues they could blame him rather than their friends. I’ve seen this behavior over and over again- having an out group helps people get along better
My parents have the book about this. It’s full of pictures they took at the beginning of the journey. I looked at that way before I could read and it has always given me this unrealistic dream of traveling the world in a moving house with all my friends. Really kind of an awesome vibe if you’re a kid looking at the pictures. I think that’s why it’s so famous.
Surprisingly heartwarming! This is exactly how you’d hope the story would turn out: pseudo-scientist’s evil experiment is foiled by everlasting friendship 🥰
This guy is only able because he has the US penology pharmacologist's, and other deep-state actors, supporting him financially and morally. Santiago is following order's, and Psychiatry has always been about "policing" the thought's of people, rather helping the individual. If you look into the DSM you will see NO chemistry or math. But we do have "artificial intelligence", and robot's acting as Manchurian Candidates.
the whole idea to create a situation that you _expected_ to descend into violence... on a small ocean going craft that you cannot escape from... is really, really not good, so I'm glad it didn't happen and everyone else had a great time!
Is anyone actually surprised by the outcome? All their basic needs were met, there was a favorable ratio of men to women, and they were encouraged to "get it on". Moreover, all incentives to fight (e.g. land, money, status) were stripped away. Unfortunately, few of us live in conditions so well engineered for peace and fornication and instead rely upon some institutional leviathon to quash the violence that inevitably arises.
You are just like the jerk making the experiment. People live in degraded positions because of the institutional leviathon. People know how to get along. It takes kings, queens, and captains of industry to make things miserable.
Goes to show you just how convinced he was that violence would naturally spawn. The environment he created seems perfect to create cohesion. All the problems are universal. "Get fish" "weather the storm" "repair the rudder"
How hard could it really be if a woman was able to do it? Same thought process made him think he could be captain. Same thought process is why woman all over the world still get paid less for the same effort and have it harder to climb the cooperate ladder. Sadly there are still enough Santiagos around today.
This just goes to show Humans are naturally prone to sharing and loving each other, it’s only when an authority figure pops in, that he/she divides and manipulates
@@JohnnyDLawpractically, yea. I agree that racism is an inherited trait after birth.
I don't think history bears this out.
Yes, when resources are plentiful we are kind. Try this with hungry people
@@refundreplayyes of course, but it still doesn’t take away from the main point. When resources are plentiful it allows our higher brain functions to take control, what we really are as humans, what makes us unique as opposed to animals. But when it’s scarce survival instincts take over and our lower “less developed” brain functions take charge.
Nature itself is prone to co-operation. Evolution doesn't occure without necessity, and cooperation among lifeforms is necessary. Conflict among lifeforms is not. A world of total abundance would breed no predators. Sounds fantastically idealistic, but humans have already proved it possible. We do compete and we do war, but it can be arranged. Most individuals spend a lifetime without so much as an impulse to cause serious harm.
A world purely of cooperation is theoretically possible. A world purely of conflict is not. Life would form, not less thrive.
Idk, they're all adults l, feel like nurture will of had plenty of time to take hold here. And always will for these sort of experiments.
if he'd been a tv producer instead of a scientist he would've been wildly successful
Boom
This is almost tragic. The man was ahead of his time.
Funny you should say that. There is a reality TV game show that just started airing on HBO Max recently that is loosely based on this experiment.
The only thing missing is that he needed to purposely select for confrontational, unlikable people, and then offer them a million dollar prize.
He was no scientist. What he did was unscientific from the very first moment. You're not a scientist if what you do isn't science.
Santiago: "I make a woman captain, that will surely make any insecure man revolt."
Also Santiago: "How dare that woman tell me what to do!?"
so hilarious!!
actually that makes sense, he thought other will be insecure as he is.
lmao exactly, Santiago was an incel before incels even existed
I think the ''insecure'' is wholy misperception: it's actually so that men want to take charge because they're less swayed by emotions, have higher stress tolerance, systematic* thinking (thus strategising), etc.
@@particleconfig.8935 The raft faced three crises. The rudder, the storm, the ship. In each case, there was a woman who would nominally be responsible for handling it. In each case, Santiago asserted his own primacy, then handled the situation like a useless fool who might have gotten them all killed. He comes across as being far more swayed by his emotions, less tolerant of stress, and less systematic in his thinking than the diver and captain, who were women.
The part about the woman escaping an abusive relationship on the raft and the African woman feeling connected to her ancestors with the voyage was so sweet
Self-discovery is rarely bad, dude. Good for her for being able to zoom out of the issues in her life so that she sees how small they are. Whether or not it really was her fault, any relationship that makes someone feel bad is unhealthy, and she escaped that.
@@HomelessWhiteMaleStartingOvera Well. OK. You only missed the point by a few miles. Not to worry........
@@davidowens5898 Can you timestamp for me the part where she took responsibility for her own life decisions that culminated in her landing on that raft ? Thank you in advance.
@@HomelessWhiteMaleStartingOvera "Yes, the victim mentality"
Your post and your user name suggests that it's you that has a victim mentality.
@@HomelessWhiteMaleStartingOvera what?
Little did anyone realize that the real experiment was about how groups of strangers become tighter and more trusting when they have a common enemy in a position of authority/power. Santiago was the martyr the world didn't deserve.
Yep -- it's interesting to wonder if Santiago hadn't been so awful, would they be more likely to find enemies within the group?
This is the same theory that was used in the Watchmen comic
Where the antagonist decides that the only way the world countries would stop waring with each other, would be by having a common invincible enemy.
@@nagysamuel2575warhammer 40k uses this theory too
Ironically enough, it looks like Santiago's constant antagonizing might've been one major factor in bringing the group together, as they all had hating him in common.
I saw an interview with a woman who had escaped from N. Korea to the south. When asked if she missed anything about N. Korea, she said she missed the camaraderie. In N. Korea, everyone was going through hard times under a crazy ruler and it brought people together. S. Koreans did not have those challenges or the bonds.
He was the jews
@@carlosdelsol76 I love how the first 2 replies of this comment is a touchey subject of humanity and the other is calling Santiago a Jew.
@@fulanichild3138 "S. Koreans did not have those challenges or the bonds."
South Koreans were also under a dictatorship for a long time and struggled together against it.
@@cormano64 Indeed. But that ended 35 years ago, an entire generation did not experience life under dictatorship.
The participants all had something big in common: they were all the sort of person who signs up to drift across the ocean in a raft for a science experiment. That's not your average person!
Very true
Fr
This is what I thought immediately. You wouldn't expect a CEO to do this, and you wouldn't expect a single parent living paycheck-to-paycheck to do this either. This "experiment" was flawed from the jump!
thats true
Beyond even the trip itself, they are all people who would be willing to sign up to a science experiment.
You’re unlikely to get a true range of people from society, i theorise the most toxic participants in society would probably not be interested in any volunteering activity whatsoever.
This would pre-dispose the actual selection pool of people applying for this experiment with much higher qualities than the average person that Santiago was looking for.
So he may have the results he theorised if he’d selected from a truly open pool of people.
Interesting experiment nonetheless.
Imagine if Santiago's antics got so bad that the crew decided to kill him. That would've been some absolutely juicy irony. Santiago wanted to turn people against each other, and in trying to do so he turned them against himself.
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Santiago was trying to figure out why he had sadistic tendencies himself. He twisted his understanding of reality to try and justify his own inner demons. He wanted a moment where he could look at others and say, yes you're all like me when the chips are down, but unfortunately for him, most people aren't born with his Machiavellian emotionally-manipulating survival skillset. I was, so I understand him. Those nice people on the raft gave him a shot at becoming a better person by their example. I hope he took it.
The thing is the chips were never down😂 it was a free vacation for them
This is a very insightful comment, thank you.
Nah. Man's too stupid and unlikeable to be any sort of Machiavellian. The whole point is be feared while trying to be loved, all Santiago inspired was hatred and contempt. He's the sort of guy Cesare Borgia would release as a prisoner because he's sure to do more damage to his enemies once he's back at camp.
It's really cool that you admit, readily, your own bad tendencies. I do the same personally. Once we humans recognize the shifty parts of us we can then do better
Dude really pulled a Freud on us.
he wanted to find the reason behind human violence
well he found it
some people just want other people to fight.... for no reason at all
He should have just went to Candy Land
@@refundreplaythe advetures of flapjack candyland? Or the slave platation candy land?
"some people just want other people to fight" that is what we call a stochastic terrorist and unfortunately they are currently a thirst for all of the profit driven media when bigger issues and better ideas are being discussed elsewhere. We entertain ourselves to death. But there is hope when the shit hits the fan, like a solar event destroying even shielded electronics, I think people will still work together and help their neighbors how to garden farm and livestock until it's time to arm up and defend that gas refinery from that muscle head war lord and his mohawked crew of recreational vehicle owners and their tragically mod boyfriends.
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Well, he had a reason. You might not think it was a worthy reason, but that's different from no reason at all.
He was deeply troubled by the violence in the world.
He wanted to find out why violence happened, so that he could stop it.
He did the best he could think of, but it didn't produce results.
When people give it their best to the things they care deeply about, but it fails spectacularly, people tend to become frustrated.
Accepting that his best wasn't enough would mean he wouldn't solve the problem of violence (who would've thought, eh?)
So he refused to accept it, and it led him to evil.
Still, in the end, he did NOT resort to violence, the worst he did was being a terrible person to everyone else, which is not that bad compared to what people have done throughout history.
In his mind, being a terrible person was not a big price to pay if that meant getting rid of violence in the world.
This actually shows one of the roots of evil - people with good intentions struggling to accept that they can't solve everything, which leads them down the path of trying increasingly desperate solutions, until one day they find themselves in the abyss and wonder how did it ever come to this.
As the proverb says, "the road to hell is paved with good intentions".
Imagine an alternate timeline where the group did plot to kill him. He would’ve ironically gotten his wish.
why?
@@peterdolving7129did watching the video not answer your question
I wouldn't be surprised if this wasn't on the very minds of the crew when discussing the idea of murder. As much as Santiago deserved comeuppins, he didn't deserve to have his point proven. Even against himself.
They did plot to kill him but chose not to according to the video
@@ellisjackson3355 according to Santiago
It's weird, because if Santiago had just studied himself rather than the test subjects, he would have found a pretty satisfactory answer to his question.
Brilliantly said 💯😆
Santiago is like the type of DM in dnd who force everyone to play a certain way
It's almost like humans have spent hundreds of thousands, if not millions of years living in small groups with tight bonds and supporting each other to survive and got very good at it over time.
There wasn't any survival involved. They had more than enough food and a qualified staff to deal with any problems.
@@brad5426 so they were put in an Eden scenario and the scientist was baffled that no conflict occured.
Apes together strong.
It’s almost like this comment isn’t compatible to this video…
@@brad5426 Even if the need for survival was involved, even in the most difficult enviroment... banding together in a small group with tight bond & working together to survive was basically what our ancestors did.
If it would have always resulted in violence like what this sadistic Santiago had in his twisted mind, there would have been no civilization today.
It’s fascinating how Santiago actually managed to figure out exactly how he could create world peace: make different kinds of people live together, and give them a common enemy (himself).
Truly, a man dedicated to peace
Yes, he discovered that the true secret to world peace is a 3:2 female-male ratio.
dr manhattan had the same idea
basically a real life Lelouch
@@Randomkloud my favorite anime
Ozymandias not de manhattan
"Curses, foiled again!"
said the Villain. A truly comforting story. Thwarting the fiend.
Fred
I'm no psychologist but I saw a video about this: being in a rare scenario with a few people creates a strong bond, while being in a very everyday scenario with a bunch of people doesn't. A good example is air travel. Usually you don't talk to nearly anyone at the airport or on your flight, but when it's significantly delayed, it's a completely different story. When flights get delayed for a long time, people start talking, taking care of each other, sharing food and stuff. Really bonding. Same with life threatening situations. One would think that when a building catches on fire, people would panic and run over each other, just to save their butts. But in reality, that's when you see the most brave and heroic actions, like going back in to save someone.
Where I'm going with this is that his hypothesis for this "experiment" should have been that they would just become really a really close friend group, like a family, because they have so much in common. However I think this was quite recently found out and probably wasn't well known during this.
Another thing is that having a clear antagonist really helps social cohesion. He torpedoed his own experiment.
Well said! Totally agree!
Yeah, we at work have recently managed to lose a ignorant narcissist senior manager, who got so corrosive as to bring himself into question of his senior managers (for once). But in the way of management, moved sideways out of the way, and as might be not much of a surprise to many, an ex-police officer.😐
Another thing to remember is this is almost purely propaganda, and what the pros call "selling a narrative". Did anyone stop to think about the boats that were accompanying the raft? The narrator seems blissfully unaware. How does anyone really know whether or not the crew "contemplated killing Santiago, and thinking of a way to make it look like an accident"? Does this sound like a fine group of upstanding individuals?
Have any of you ever contemplated killing your ignorant narcissist senior manager before?
I think this experiment unveiled a bit more than just the alleged strange behaviors of people who were wanting and willing to participate in a psychological experiment on a raft in the middle of an ocean. Just saying🙄
@@Rick-the-Swift
"Have any of you ever contemplated killing your ignorant narcissist senior manager before?" Not seriously. BUT, if we had to put up with him 24 hours a day on a boat in the middle of the Atlantic, after it became obvious he was trying to get US to KILL EACH OTHER, it could certainly become an option.
@@Rick-the-Swiftpropaganda for what?
The most intriguing part of the Acali’s story, to me, is just how the roles were reversed. The man who intended to create problems created peace, and in turn that peace caused him frustration. It’s a weird but admirable story.
a good plot for a comedy villain
Could it be that all it takes to cause conflict is just one irritating, trouble-maker that instigates problems?
The most intriguing part is, how long they all put up with his bs.
@@johnny4aces410not according to this experiment. His actions didn't seem to affect their friendship
@@nekhumonta I think that you are confusing dissension and friendship.
He caused the former, they caused the latter.
This experiment has been repeated many thousands of times during the age of sail and after.
It wasn't the harsh discipline on some navy ships that kept the groups working together. It is human nature. Otherwise, sailing wouldn't have been the preferred mode of transport throughout most of history and even pre-history.
Ok now do it with one person (or a few people) being greedy and trying to monopolize everything for themselves, then tell me if you get peace and harmony.
It occurs to me that one of the key elements is that the people were prepared to deal with the situation. The only person who actually devolved into more "baseline instincts" was the one person who was unprepared to do his job: Santiago himself.
- believes sex is the cause of violence
- wants to test his theory
- develops a scenario where there are more women than men which reduces the sexual competition between men 😂
darwin award for science
lmfao fr
😂😂
that was my first thought, i was expecting there to be one or two women outnumbered to men
@@damani1711 Even less women then men wouldn't cause violence.
@@qq84 i dont think this experiment would be destined to end up in violence in any case, but more men than women seems to be the logical choice in order to create competition and animosity between the men. its rarely women who incite violence and war.
Crazy how the perverted violent element he theorized and craved throughout this entire trip was literally him.
Edit : so that's how it feels to have a liked comment.To clarify, i'm surprised a certified psychologist could not consider his own observer's bias earlier on throughout such a long journey.
But can you imagine if everybody had just enough self-awareness to come back from every moment they've made errors of judgement with humility and awareness ?
It's candid i know but i feel (and maybe that is my own bias) as though understanding the ways in which we can all be neglectful of other's viewpoint in favor of our own, could really help society devellop a more civilized discourse, and that could help A LOT.
(If you've come this far thank you for reading me.)
It's a very frequent phenomenon.
Psychological projection
everybody was like "I need to kill this psycho bastard"
every philosophy ever
subconscious projection lol
I have done two winter expeditions where we had to share confined spaces in a tent, while melting snow and other chores. We had to travel in a single file while on cross country skis to save energy; the person at the front flattens the snow for everyone else. The group dynamic in the first expedition was terrible and in the second expedition was great. It was the constellation of personalities, not the circumstances, that made all the difference.
One of best short documentary on UA-cam ever. Thanks for sharing it
It’s so ironic that Santiago wanted all of the passengers to become violent, but as the experiment progressed, you see how he became the violent and aggressive one. Absolutely hilarious (yet terrifying)
Santiago saw what he wanted to see in people and was disappointed when it didn’t actually happen in his experiment !! 😄
If you've ever seen the TV show community, this is a classic case of the Duncan Principle 😂
and the only violence they considered was against Santiago lol
Maybe he was projecting his feelings onto others and looking for affirmation through the results of an experiment. He was so sure it would exceed, that when it didn’t, he couldn’t believe what was happening and tried to influence the others around him to think the way that he was. He was sure a seed he planted here and there would lead down a path of violent behaviour.
He kinda embodies a "Gonzo Science" approach.. 😂
Your materials are a gem on my journey as an ESL teacher. Your tone and your natural calming, steady speed of expression provide me with tons of materials to share with students who can barely form a sentence. On top of that these are beautiful pieces on philosophy, psychology and everything people usually are naturally interested in.
The Stamford Prison Experiment and the Milgram Experiment also didn't happen like the popular stories said. It took considerable pushing by the experimenters to get the subjects to overcome their resistance to abusive behavior.
"Can you make people do it?" is a completely different question than "Will people do it if not held back?"
yes it's crazy how the Stanford Prison Experiment is completely uncredible and has been the entire time but no one seems to acknowledge it. Last semester one of my college classes textbook had a whole section on it. I mentioned to the teacher that the study had been disproven and she just sort of brushed me off, I guess just because it's such a well known study.
The friend-ship
🤓 you still get your comment liked but you're a 🤓
@@daygenandrews1321 nah, I'm more of a dork than a nerd
@@gloomybunny2628
*_CHOOSE YOUR CHARACTER:_*
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@@daygenandrews1321cause he made a pun?
@@IamINERT yea, you act like you bore witness to me flaggelating them with a whip. I just called them a nerd and liked the comment lol.
His experiment did work. He found out what made humans aggressive, he did get violence and aggression on the boat but only with one person himself. He found out that violence and aggression is caused when someone has an agenda or motive that they want to happen one way and no other way, when someone wants to be in control of situations and others that is what cases violence and anger in himself.
Exactly!
His experiment didn't work because there was ample provision and he was on board - almost in a quantum physics kind of way, being there as an observer changes the outcome of the observation. Because he's there, they feel like there is a chaperone, and there is no responsibility to provide their own food, shelter etc.
The only real way for this experiment to work would be to abduct the people and maroon them, otherwise as long as they know there is a set term & they are safe and provided for, there will obviously not be any squabbles until an extended period of time has elapsed.
That's a nice way of looking at it
ah so narcissists and sociopaths are running the government? well i suppose that isn't exactly news now that i think of it...
There would have been more if everyone didn't have all their needs attended to. That was the largest flaw in this experiment
Every piece I’ve watched from this channel has been interesting, informative, and thoughtfully presented. Keep up the great work my dude
Same ❤
I was wondering why 8:45 was by far the most replayed point… until I replayed it. Lmao.
This experiment reached a conclusion. It showed how too often the wrong people are in control but if good people come together, they can overcome the malicious intents of a violent, power hungry coward of a leader.
Good assessment! I also read somewhere psychopaths and their undying need for control, propels them into leadership positions. Probability is on their side, henceforth, large numbers of psychopaths are in control of many organizations. A test should be created to assess brain chemistry of candidates.
Preach! 🙌
You say this and so I then need to ask you.....
These "wrong" people you speak of, do you think the leaders of modern corporations should be included or excluded? I'll give you 3 examples.
Disney
Microsoft
Dyson
@@wetwrkinc.5122 Yes, they should absolutely be included. Wanna play chess? E4.
@@calencrawford2195 Agreed E5
Seems like he discovered what I've always called "The Summer Camp Effect"
When a group of strangers are isolated together for an extended period of time, friendships and relationships tend to grow at an accelerated rate compared to normal society
It is almost as though we are naturally equipped to work together and resolve challenges and conflicts for preservation.
This is actually the best way to make friends, spend time together working on some common goal or project
Same thing happens in basic training for the military.
Or Minecraft
Same thing when joining the military. After a week or two one tends to gravitate toward certain people, forming friendships that often last a lifetime.
These people didn't have to compete with each other, didn't have to spend their time try to make ends meet etc. They had everything in plenty and could spend their time as they saw fit. This, this is the key. Even thought its a poorly designed experiment, I think we can still take this as the important outcome and can make this as the main goal of how society should be organized.
i actually love this, this experiment really showed more of human behavior than anything i have ever seen.
One factor that seemed to be ignored is that they had enough food for themselves already. And it wasn't impossible to capture foods from the ocean with the participants. Lack of basic food creates a massive difference.
That's a great point. Santiago would definetly have been murdered if that had been the case
@@ellendallanora7404So true
I agree. Santiago needed to have stressors that weren't tied to anyone on the "raft".
Among a group of complete strangers, sure. By the end of the experient, it probably wouldn't have mattered as much as you seem to think.
But the thesis Santiago had that the main factor leading to violence is wanting to fuck
I had the honor to personally meet Maria, the captain, a year ago. She still got it by the way, met her on one of the old cultural sailboats (a schooner) here in Sweden. Turns out she was the first female Swede to be officially a captain of a ship and already had formidable experience, crazy how Santiago got her into this mess. She was kind of pissed that her name has almost become synonymous with this social experiment instead
Did she talked about the others on the shp, namely; are they still friends?
What other accomplishments have she acquired besides being the first female swede to become captain? Also, do you have any articles about her?
@@betrion7 with some of them she keeps contact; they recently released a documentary featuring interviews of them in present day
@@tonyvice6661616 Cool, thanks.
*She a baddie*
seeing them all interacting with each other is warming my heart. they all seem like such sweet people, no wonder they got along so well and supported each other.
they had a collective hatred of santiago which made them stronger together, the fact that they debated killing HIM is so fascinating. i can’t blame them either 😭
Nothing brings a group together better than a common enemy
I bet Santiago could fill an entire grocery store with the amount of cherry picking he was doing
LMAO
Ohohoho damn
😂😂😂😂
I love that you put “Sex Raft” in the thumbnail, both mirroring the media’s sensational version of the story and taking advantage of clickbait to share a more wholesome story
I’m glad I’ve been clickbaited. Did you see the rogue boob?
Clickbait done right
Yeah this is a smart clickbait. You see first the words "Sex raft" but then you see "restore faith in humanity". Both are on opposite ends so we get curious on how those two sentences correlates.
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the fact that it said sex raft kept me away from the video many times youtube recommend it to me, after long the faith in humanity built up enough curiosity
getting sea sick watching this footage, lordy! good show, thanks
He included - apart from himself - only decent people, basically normal people with various talents and competency. This might be the actual reason they were so friendly with each other. Include two people with the same talent and different opinions on how to do something that falls in their domain, here be conflict, but not necessarily violence. I'd guess the reason violence comes from people like the ones he included is because of the need to defend against rare individuals with a predatory mindset like Santiago.
Santiago reminds me of a villain that tries his hardest to cause chaos but ends up causing world peace
And your pfp reminds me of that game I use to play when I was a kid
Like jewws
Kind of like if one Ruler wages war on a neighbour but the neighbours friends all rally round to help
It is too funny that they finally started to consider getting truly violent, all of them, but only with Santiago.
thats the type of sentiment we need in society
@@apolo2177 if we knew the Santiagos in society the world would be a much better place
That is because Santiago was such an interfering trouble maker, trying to make other people fight with each other. He is lucky they did not lock him in his cabin or drop him off on an island.
I think he proved that left to our own devises given the ability to communicate we will find a way to work thing out. Violence comes from evil people working behind the scenes manipulating us.
Greed, loss of objectivity are seeds of violence. Another great vid!
I love the irony of the experiment that it ultimately proved a completely different scenario that he did not expect, and as onlookers to hindsight we can see that everyone got along except with him 😆 for what he was trying to manipulate and accomplish. If only he somehow had twisted it at the end to show that he wanted to see how well they would work against a malicious actor.
Interesting detail from The Guardian: "Overthrown, Genovés retreated below deck and collapsed into depression, made worse by news on the radio that his university wanted to be dissociated from the scandalous Sex Raft headlines. While lying there he started to cry for the first time since childhood and had an existential epiphany, writing: “Only one has shown any kind of aggression and that is me, a man trying to control everyone else, including himself.” The detached scientist had gone on a Conradian journey, ultimately realising that the heart of darkness was inside him."
Actually quite insightful.
Turns out, it was good and therapeutic for him. Maybe losing his career and credibility was worth it in comparison. But then, he'd have to start again, hopefully, this time, with better insight into who he was and what he had been capable of.
his shadow integrated
Beautifully sayd
Is fascinating and also great he got something from it, this detail elevates him from pantomime villain status 😮
You know, Santiago basically failed the whole thing before it even started.
1: Instead of viewing his experiment as a way to gather data, he just really wanted it to conform to his biases. He simply wasn't open to any alternative outcomes that might disprove his thesis.
2: He tampered with his own experiment. Even if the endresult actually reflected what he thought should happen, it would all be worthless if that outcome was only achieved by manipulating things to go that way. A significantly more reasonable set-up for the experiment would have been for him to not be present on the raft at all, instead accompanying it on a separate vessel and only meeting up occasionally to distribute and retrieve questionnaires.
Either way, his thesis was largely bogus. Sex may occasionally lead to violence but that is largely contextual.
A balanced group like the one he decided to bring aboard, which had all their needs met, had no reason to break into violence.
A less diverse cast with more simulat needs and preferences might actually have carried more potential for conflict as there might have been some competition involved, though even then it's unlikely.
Humanity has spent most of its time on this planet travelling around in small, close-knit groups and if such circumstances had great potential for violence, we would never have had much success as a species.
Violence generally is a result of stress, competition, scarcity and badly adapted cultural concepts.
or people like me who have an extreme hatred for most people =]
@@marcussmith4913 missing out lol, people are great
And, shockingly, humans are not chimps. Certainly not in our sexuality and treatment of hierarchies.
Humans can endure circumstances of extreme privation without resorting to violence. People have often died en masse in famines without attacking each other for resources.
An experiment within an experiment of human psychology, interesting!
Couldn't have phrased it better myself. As someone who has read up on several experiments on psychology and human behaviour, the moment the narrator said that the bare necessities have been met, his experiment was a failure. IIRC there was a Russian island that was used to imprison people under much worse conditions resulting in an outbreak of violence and cannibalism.
Edit: Found it. Nazino tragedy
Allegedly, and I believe it, the reason is so easy to "hook up" in college is because everyone experiences approximately the the same emotional highs and lows, at the same time. As well as approximately the same schedule etc. The year begins (elation mostly), various social events, the stress of mid terms and the relaxation after words, then, Thanksgiving break the stress of final exams. Not to mention difficult classes tend to cause study groups to gather with their various dynamics, then Christmas break and repeat
Nah I believe its the individual's moral principles, some people are too shallow to desire or develop deep bonds leading to long term relation, they just want short term release. Although other reasons such as peer pressure could also play a role.
Nice talk, loved it.
Sorry for English, though, when one of the ladies was describing that she always felt that she had to be better etc. I felt incredibly touched. I always felt like the poster girl of Islam for others because of the hijab and though hijab was and is suppose to protect me in fact you get (especially men) so many voices telling you you have to do this that and other. Basically judging you. Telling me this is not hijab or that’s not hijab, when in fact THEY should lower their gaze. So it’s like a double edged sword…
Love my hijab but sometimes it is so divisive that I lose my overall spiritual connection with Allah swt…
What a vibe this must’ve been. Chilling with some strangers, fishing eating together and sometimes casually hooking up with each other.
just walk my friend
Yea what a vibe… all them years of evolution n conscious decision making all just to sit on a raft for 100 days n be manipulated to resort back to Neanderthal type behavior 🤣🤣 thank god they “overcame” it😭
@@daquandavis5498 what do you mean by this?
@@daquandavis5498bro what are you on about?
@@daquandavis5498 they seemed pretty happy to go back to "neanderthal behavior" and I think it would be healthy for a lot of people to get away from the modern world once in a while.
I’ve always HATED being in large groups even with people I know. It’s always made me so uncomfortable. Yet, when I went on a 1 week tip to the mountains of Tennessee with a group of strangers, I came out of it loving people like I never loved before. This is the second time it’s happened to me. It’s incredible how the human brain is wired to INSTANTLY join in on the group of people you’re living with and how easy it is to form a great team.
Autism?
You worded out really well, something I have experienced as well but never really thought about it that way.
@@HeroOfPandasnaw.. I'm pretty introverted as well, but I think when everyone is experiencing something new together we naturally find common ground, I've also had similar experiences, and after I've settled into a place for awhile eventually revert back to being uncomfortable in large groups again
Was this a NOLS trip? I went to one in Utah that changed my life
grow a pair!!!
Great video and experiment result! So humans generally sharing ,loving ,supporting in small groups. (I dont know what would happen if the group is larger). Simply shows me that in our every day's life our politicians, are the "bad apples",like the scientist himself and whose separate others (countries, communities, people). 1 "bad apple" ,if power given to him or to her can ruin bunch of "good apples "...there is a lesson to be learned
If he tried his experiment on a much larger raft with hundreds of people his experiment might have gone as he was expecting. Kind of like how small communes do really well, but trying to scale that up across a large swath of the population inevitably leads to a breakdown of harmony.
Yes this is why true (leaderless, consensual) Communism works great in small hippie communes, but fails miserably in larger groups and should not be taken seriously as a viable form of government. The so-called "communist" regimes were merely totalitarian dictatorships with the communism being a make-nice performative act forced upon the people to try to get them to accept it (and to try to make it look good for the rest of the world) which it did not and does not because of how appallingly oppressive each regime was/is.
Santiago: "I want to find a way to make people live in peace and make love"
People: (live in peace and make love)
Santiago: "No not like that, you are supposed to kill each other"
this would never work in the real society tho
@@Skankhunt668 Why?
@@rubenlarochelle1881 because of society itself. It was built upon a competition between countries, but now competition has moved on the lowest lvl possible. You may expect wars should restore unity, but this is not a case. We need actually destroy society and rebuild it anew, otherwise it will remain hostile environment.
That’s something I always thought in post apocalyptic media:) sure, some groups would fight over scarce resources, but that’s all you ever see 🤷🏻♀️
One of the first tricks human kind learned is how to work together 😂 we are spongy, fragile little creatures and our intelligence and cooperation were our only saving grace. Tribalism exists in humans to an irrational degree (for example, sport fans), and some groups would be working together, taking care of each other, and rebuilding 🙃 it’s what we do, it’s how we got to this point in the first place!
@@heyhoe168Society was built upon a competition between countries?!? Wtf, in what freakingly sick country do you live?
Wait, so he made an abundant temporary getaway in a welcome setting, with hot dudes and competent women - and that was supposed to cause conflict? And also there were more women than men. And one of the men was celibate, and his profession was basically a community counsellor (the priest). It sounds to me like he inadvertently made one of the social circles least likely to devolve into violence. And then he accidentally gave them a common foe to unite against (himself), so there was even less likelihood of internal conflict.
Based take. Santiago got cucked hard.
Hot? Must have missed that…
Interesting that you mentioned sexual competition being a major catalyst for conflict. It is well known fact. Currently in Ireland our EU led government are transplanting hundreds of military age male migrants in to small Irish towns and villages which has almost immediately caused and increase in violent and sexually motivated crimes. The media is silent and anyone who speaks out is labeled a racist. It's amazing how ignorant politicians are in relation to human nature and how unlikely they are to survive popular civil unrest.
hahahaha👍🤣
Well they're "supposed" to fight for hot women...
That is such a heart-warming story. Thanks for sharing.♥
i cant imagine the coincidence i just witnessed. im watching this video while my tv is turned on. i get to about the 5 minute mark and by that point i know the whole premise of the experiment and the name of the ship; acali. Now, on the tv i had the discovery channel turned on, and i look for a second towards the tv and see the words “ACALI 2” written on the side of the raft. its a new show called “survive the raft” that basically wants to recreate the experiment in todays age. really a wild coincidence
Santiago: "My experiment will surely drive these test subjects to violence."
Humanity: "Congratulations, you played yourself."
Santiago is conplete delusional scientists thinkinh humans would act like monkeys, so he wasted ton of time and money on thsi scientific experiment.😂 Its that monkeys use violence and agression to show dominance, so their more easily able to get females, but its not human behvaiour, when humans are more intelligent, so they dont need that much dominance anymore to try get the females.
If you want to drive people in to violence make them all work every day and there still not be enough food and stuff to go arround, it is in harsh economic conditions that people take care of their own first and have nothing left over for others, if not out right need plunder from others to take care of their own.
@@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 I despise the fact that you got a point
@@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714then they'll just have a common enemy and a valid reason to get rid of that common enemy.
It shows that people are naturally inclined to cooperate with each other. It's heart-warming how they essentially turned against the biggest jerk on the boat XD
Small group of people with a common issue. There can't be a more solid group. What about doing this experiment with a huge group of people in a place where there are no common problems? The result might be interesting. Oh, that's society!
@@pietrosmusi2410 You're right. It really helps when people have a common issue and are equal to each other. :)
@@marek9081 and I'm no scientist :)
yeah, so true.... I find that when I take the time to TALK with people on the 'other side' of my politics, we are not that far apart at all.
I mean they were just on a raft with plenty of food water and stuff and it was same number of men and women. What are they even supposed to fight over other than petty "i dont like that guy" only real problems they had were things like fix the boat weather the storm , dont crash eith anothet ship basically something they will all work together on. For actual conflict there needs to be bigger group, conflicting interests and propbably limited resources in some way ppl arent idiot savages to fight over nothing(well in survival kind of situation you have plenty ppl fighting over bs in relaxed situations)
Great retelling of an interesting story, thanks for sharing!
This guy basically created a Navy and was shocked when they worked together to insure each other's survival.
Pretty sure most people know about the book Lord of the Flies, where school boys were trapped on a deserted island for months and reverted to savagery and barbarianism. How many know of the real life "lord of the flies" when in 1965 a group of boys ages 15-18 ended up being stranded on a small speck in the pacific ocean, Ata island, for 15 months. The real life version couldn't be more different from the novel. Once they were found they were in good health, formed a democracy of sorts, and even crafted a fishing pier and running track.
I knowxthe story of those boys
That's fascinating! I have to read a book about this immediately. Any recommendations?
I always hated that book. Good to know the real one didn't happen that way.
_Lord of the Flies_ was written to convey William Golding's passionate belief that men are inherently cruel, and women are superior.
I think he was just wrong about that. Men _are_ more physically violent (because of testosterone and cultural conditioning) but both men and women demonstrate similar levels of cruelty.
yeh lord of the flies is a good book. but its just not the way that kind of thing goes. small groups especially when in trouble bond much more than they fall apart.
I've found most of these 'Social Experiments' from the 60s, 70s & beyond were usually quite bizzare, really creepy, or downright sadistic. They usually said more about the perversion of the lead Scientist than any real human failings. Like most reality TV producers, I guess.
They are so weird because ethics wasn’t really a standard or benchmark back then if you think about it. They could get away with so much.
@@aaronmichaelmusic_ just like now, if it was labelled 'research' and/or a tv/film camera was involved, then yes. It's funny how the presence of a camera suddenly makes nothing illegal or immoral.
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Ethics are the training-wheels put on by adults in place of thinking.
You hit it in the head dude,.. the principle: "a point of view of the world, that tells you more about the person making the point, rather than anything true about the world" is what applies to this Santiago hack.
Sounds like a certain political demographic in play now that is doing everything it can to try and get decent people to fight with each other over really stupid things.
Everyone with any functional brains at all can see right through their games and does nothing.
I have never thought about group behaviour in this way before, but thinking about it, I would say it in some terms corrolate with experiences from my own life. You have various connections to groups during your life, in many cases I have seen and experienced how groups bond, share experiences and can be quite inclusive towards others. It's the person that does not really want the group to function that way that starts to cause the issues.
I'm personally tired of the "Lord of the Flies" comparison (I'm not refering to the use in this video btw.) that is so often depicted in movies tv series and shows, as a concept that drives the actions of the characters forward, it seems to me to be counter intuitive to how people would react in many instances.
And if Santiagos initial idea was true, I wonder how any small society/tribe of pre modern age would actually have survived. It seems to me that if Santiago was correct, they would have self destructed.
I once reported to a VP of HR who had similar characteristics of Santiago. Except for one person, a female underling who was similar but more sneaky, there was great celebration in the team when new ownership retired him. He was very unhappy being forced into retirement with his outsized severance package b/c he seemed to live for the drama he endlessly created at work.
As a ex US Navy sailor with multiple deployments under my belt the results of this story do not surprise me in the slightest: comraderies like this crew experienced back then happen to tens of thousands of people every year in the worlds Navies.
Story time?
This happens any time you put a small group together in the face of shared adversity. It even has a name "Unit Cohesion". It becomes stronger the greater the level of shared adversity.@@catalindeluxus8545
@@catalindeluxus8545 That depends. You want a true story or a good story? The Navy taught me well.
@@aZX14blurr either way, if you have one you'd like to share please do
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santiago is literally that raging soyjack going "noooooo you're supposed to hate each other!"
Tears and everything...
So basically, like the mainstream media?
So if it were just Tucker Carlson and Rachel Maddow, what would happen? Would each of their holier-than-thou snark combine to cause their raft to ignite and combust?
Wanting a specific outcome is the most unscientific part of this whole thing
My main concern (at first) would have been the soundness and seaworthyness of the raft. Was it built by professionals with heavy weather in mind? Does the rest of the crew know what they're doing? Etc.
No matter which way the social experiment would have gone, shipwrecking and dying surely would have put a stop to all scientific analyses.
He could have still published the results, I am sure there were new things about human behavior that could have been studied further. But he was not in tune with what was actually happening, he was more interested in the results he wanted
Exactly, that's not proper science
legit even though it sorta is consider "failed" experiment cleary there still something to study like how maybe it not the end of the result . Something like that
He published the book "Acali" (several editions in Spanish) and "The Acali experiment" in English. You can search "Acali book". By the way, the author's name used for the book is Santiago Genoves. In this video the author mentions Santiago Tarazaga, which is the second surname (in Spanish names the surname from the father & mother are used, so the complete name is Santiago Genoves Tarazaga). All books are used & some of them quite expensive.
@@fernandonavarro3839wow, that's actually really cool about the surnames.
Santiago is essentially me whenever I play a sim game.
Power trippin huh
He 100% would remove the ladder from the pool after the Sim gets in it
Santiago's experiment was later made into a popular TV show called "Survivor".
"there was nothing violent happening at all". I think, maybe, the shark felt differently...
No sponsors, no nonsense, just a pure interesting documentary like story. Loved every minute of it.
Yes, very well written and presented. ( This comment is brought to you by Nord VPN and Raid: Shadow Legends .)
@@jayaybe1 They were all simply trapped together in this one raft, this one room, a small, square, space. Speaking of Squarespace-
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@@woozy7405 That was so smooth I wouldn't even mind lmao
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10 years ago, I was in hospital for 3 months, and against all odds, it was a wonderful time because I spent all day long with the same people and we grew very close. This experience was absolutely transformative for me and everybody should make it once in their life. Sadly, when I got discharged, we grew apart just as quickly as we had grown close.
Same i was in a mental rehab 2 years ago for two months. One of the best times in my life no joke. Never felt so close to people, sadly i have only contact with one of them....
Yeah, shared adversity tends to bring people together, not pull them apart. It's generally only when one person tries to assert authority over the group and the group rejects that authority that they fracture.
That's exactly how my stay in a hospital was. It's crazy how adaptive and resilient human are
Perhaps. Depends how sociable you are. I would hate to be around friends for three months straight and I actually hope that situation never happens to me.
Because you were all on same level with same condition, BUT if somebody from you would get better or better condition than you would see different environment for 100% 😎👌
Santiago was ahead of his time... If this was today it would be called "Big Brother's Raft" reality show. LMAO!!!!
They bonded because they had to; survival would not have occurred if they didn't work together. You also can't compare small level economics like this and think it will perfectly match larger, macro-economics of a nation; there is just too much more at play. We are also tribal at our biological core. We are wired to bond and work together on some level of cooperation. We all seek some level of personal benefit from our interactions, and these micro-actions usually benefit the group overall.
I'm pausing this at 5:00 to say: Experiments with a particularly desired outcome seems like an icky way to conduct science. There's a line between hypothesis, what you expect will happen, and actually wishing or contriving a particular outcome.
Perhaps the rest of the video delves into this.
I caught the same thing. Good call...
Great call, but I don't recall the rest of the video going into it at all
Science cannot be as subjective as you.
It still happens today in medicine when people want a medication to fail or succeed. You can modify many factors including dosage and timing. You can also throw out potential harms by having a doctor decide the drug did not do it!!
Explains why social science in modern academia is such an icky thing.
Chad and Stacy party boat funded by an angry incel 😂
Now _THAT_ is a news story I'd read!
The incel should have taken the Stoic pill.
Yes! I've known a few guys who shared his fantasy of the natural state of humans as an everyone for themselves violent sex competition where only the lone alpha dominates the females. Ironically all the people who believe this are physically weak nerds from well-off families.
Also, if your goal is to study physical aggression arising from sexual competition, it makes no sense to put more women than men on the boat. Since men are generally more promiscuous and more violent. That makes me suspect that he was just contriving a situation where attractive women had to spend time with him.
LOL so accurate
Nobody:
Absolutely nobody at all:
Santiago: Look at me. I'm the captain now.
"He created a group of life-long friends..."
OMFG the experiment failed miserably!
My summary of this video: A project was made to find peace through conflict. There was no conflict, just peace. The Researcher got mad at the peace, and tried to make conflict. It only drew the participants closer together.
My thoughts: I don’t think Santiago realized it, but his project did succeed to a degree. He himself, became the conflict that plagued his participants, and through that, they grew closer, defied authority, and worked together to survive.
The true summary of this video: UA-camr lacking formal education in a topic gives a shallow and ignorant take on a true social experiment.
Santiago realized it, Santiago's entire goal was to become hated. When the participants of the raft were able to build community, he wrote questionnaires to establish himself as the villain, and made increasing efforts to become a villain for them to band against.
He didn't just hop over to the raft and say sexist remarks for fun, he didn't mope and laze around for fun, he didn't make racist remarks for fun, he didn't go from villain to fake illness for fun. Every. Single. Bit. Of. It. was an effort to manipulate the subjects.
It's so incredibly naive to think that the guy who dedicated his life to these studies, Santiago, wouldn't know how to continue to manipulate his own experiment.
@@ELeviathan33 how do you know that
@@ELeviathan33who should I trust? A trusted youtuber who has shown to get his information from trustable sources and also shows no malice or agenda in his informative videos OR some random guy on the internet trying to belittle him for no reason?
@@AntVaz7”a trusted youtuber” 🤣
@@ELeviathan33any experiment where your trying that hard to manipulate the outcome is void anyway, that’s not how science works and it’s almost funny you would make such an argument when the man himself realized what a fool he had been and did several interviews and reflections after saying so.
It's tempting to see all the people on the raft becoming friends as the main takeaway from this story, but don't forget that Santiago, who was supposed to be the most educated and open-minded of the group failed to see any good in their bonding and instead could not stop dreaming of violence breaking out and literally made them obey him against their own safety "Some men, just want to see the world burn"
Open minded? Did you forget the blatently racist and sexist stuff he said?
Besides that going against the orders of the captain and putting everyone in danger.
@@solsystem1342read again, then edit your post. You made a reading mistake, it happens.
Ugh, I imagine he even felt smug about it afterwards for "creating" their friendship
Just another (added to the millions we already had) reminder that lots of education does not necessarily make a non-horrible person. Some would say just the opposite; it's probably major fuel for the "coastal elites" idea.
It’s because he was obsessed with finding the cause of human violence, and he just tunnel visioned on that. He privately experienced what has happened many other times in history to science at large regarding other topics. The scientist goes too far with his research and ends up doing awful things.
I think he was genuinely convinced that he could find a universal cause of human violence and could come up with some solution for peace. He just didn’t realize how fundamentally flawed that is.
Think of how many things in human history have resulted in wars. Religion. Pride. Greed. Essential resources (of which there are money). Ideology. Racism and general prejudice. Even a simple history of hostility has been enough, rather than anything in current day.
Human conflict on the macro scale really has nothing to do with sex. It hardly even does on the micro scale, at this level of civilization anyway. Our most primal reason for conflict is resources, but even then nowadays it’s for more complicated things like oil, rather than basic things like food or water (though that has never been irrelevant).
Our reasons for conflict today are more sophisticated. Ideology. Religion. Historical animosity and control over world events.
Very educational video. Thanks for posting.
If this were Santiago's 100th experiment and he performed the exact same way, you'd start to wonder how he managed to secure his funding.
Humanity is great at banding together... against a perceived common enemy.
Except this experiment shows that we don't need a common enemy. They were getting along fine before Santiago started causing problems. And they got along fine after they dealt with him and he secluded himself.
@@Yusuf1187 I'd wager that some of us don't but most people just regress to the mean and re-adjust to expect the new level of comfort - whatever that may be. I have faith in humanity, just not Hume's mob. ;)
I wonder ... what was Santiago's plan IF violence broke out aboard the ship?
You mentioned that the crew, after the apex of Santiago's provocations, at least thought about murdering him. A group that was obviously in harmony and rather tried to silence the only threat to their peaceful coexistence.
If they DID start to fight ... why would they leave him alone? They'd still remember the provocative questionnaires
he didn't have a plan and didn't think ahead lol
And that's exactly what made him recoil and self-implode.
There's a saying about sitting in the same boat, wonder if he ever heard of it.🥲
His plan was to masturbate furiously.
It was very evident by every detail of the plan and action taken on his journey that it was all a sexual adventure and he wanted a visual of some dark fantasy but instead got reality and got pissy about being blueballed and losing his lifes work of being a pervert (an easy thing to do in that time period)
I actually think his presence helped them get along better. The fact that they even considered killing him suggests the feelings were really extreme. If they had any issues they could blame him rather than their friends. I’ve seen this behavior over and over again- having an out group helps people get along better
Well, he was an idiot on multiple levels
This Santiago was lucky, they did not just throw him overboard....
My parents have the book about this. It’s full of pictures they took at the beginning of the journey. I looked at that way before I could read and it has always given me this unrealistic dream of traveling the world in a moving house with all my friends. Really kind of an awesome vibe if you’re a kid looking at the pictures. I think that’s why it’s so famous.
Surprisingly heartwarming! This is exactly how you’d hope the story would turn out: pseudo-scientist’s evil experiment is foiled by everlasting friendship 🥰
THE POWER OF FRIENDSHIP!
Perhaps the real experiment was the friends we made along the way 🥹✨️
Of course he could have simply looked at thousands of years of records of peaceful voyages of somewhat similar people at sea.
It sounds like a Hallmark movie, lol!
This guy is only able because he has the US penology pharmacologist's, and other deep-state actors, supporting him financially and morally. Santiago is following order's, and Psychiatry has always been about "policing" the thought's of people, rather helping the individual. If you look into the DSM you will see NO chemistry or math. But we do have "artificial intelligence", and robot's acting as Manchurian Candidates.
the whole idea to create a situation that you _expected_ to descend into violence... on a small ocean going craft that you cannot escape from... is really, really not good, so I'm glad it didn't happen and everyone else had a great time!
Haha I love that everyone on the raft were giving Santiago the side eye 👀👀😂
I don't think this is enough to restore faith in humanity!
Is anyone actually surprised by the outcome? All their basic needs were met, there was a favorable ratio of men to women, and they were encouraged to "get it on". Moreover, all incentives to fight (e.g. land, money, status) were stripped away. Unfortunately, few of us live in conditions so well engineered for peace and fornication and instead rely upon some institutional leviathon to quash the violence that inevitably arises.
The male-to-female ratio was backwards if conflict was his intended outcome.
Yeah it's kinda weird that there wasn't just one woman. His setup wasn't actually right for testing his hypothesis
You are just like the jerk making the experiment. People live in degraded positions because of the institutional leviathon. People know how to get along. It takes kings, queens, and captains of industry to make things miserable.
Goes to show you just how convinced he was that violence would naturally spawn.
The environment he created seems perfect to create cohesion. All the problems are universal. "Get fish" "weather the storm" "repair the rudder"
I can't imagine what Santiago thought he was going to do after diving underwater with no diving experience
He is sick....very sick
How hard could it really be if a woman was able to do it? Same thought process made him think he could be captain. Same thought process is why woman all over the world still get paid less for the same effort and have it harder to climb the cooperate ladder. Sadly there are still enough Santiagos around today.
Scientist takes 10 hot people on a cruise, all food provided, presumably pays them - "WHY ARE THEY ENJOYING THEMSELVES?!?"
Santiago is like Raskolnikov, an ordinary man who thinks he is doing something extraordinary, and gets caught up in that delusion of importance.