Depp v. Heard Trial Day 20 Morning - Dr. Spiegel's wild ride.... Do I have to answer that?
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0:00 Welcome
4:39 Dr Richard Moore Jr Testimony - Direct
20:30 WARNING Graphic Images of Finger
32:28 Dr Richard Moore Jr Testimony - Cross-Examination
48:00 Dr Richard Moore Jr Testimony - Re-Direct
57:29 Dr David Spiegel Testimony - Direct
1:12:00 Dr David Spiegel Testimony - Voir dire Expert
1:20:00 Dr David Spiegel Testimony - Direct
1:44:00 Court Break & Questions
2:03:00 Dr David Spiegel Testimony - Direct
2:58:45 Dr David Spiegel Testimony - Cross-Examination
3:52:45 Q&A Time
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Still rewatching in 2024. This doesn't get old.
Same.
Same. Same. 😂
Heeey friends! 😂
I’m here to rewatch Dr Spiegel again. I can watch it over and over again when I feel like I need good humor
Lol I’m here doing the same!
Me also .....
I'm rewatching it now too for the same reason. Crack me up that he is supposed to be a "better" expert than Dr Curry because he is board certified yet he is definitely not.
Same!! 😂
yep xD
1,5 year later and I am still giggling out loud with this cross 🤣
I read the sidebars and in one Ben Chew was arguing and called the psychiatrist “Dr. Whackadoo Spiegel”. It was hilarious and bad for Heard’s team. I almost felt sorry for him except he was such a know it all that Dennison’s cross was awesome and put him in his place.
@@kendallneason3645 hahaha yea I read that too. I completely understand that Judge A called Ben Chew snarky, hahaha.
But I think that in the first few minutes of the direct, no one in the gallery/watching the live stream and the jury did expect this to happen 😂
"Willy Wonka doesn't matter to you?" I can't believe that was just said in a court room, this derailed so laughably hard.
This is what sent me.
ikr 😭 some of the quotes from this entire trial are so wild
I'd love to know what the stenographer was thinking when she had to type that into the court record lol.
Dr. Spiegel: 🤪
Dr. Spiegel was a horrible witness for Heard. He was inconsistent and aggressive. Honestly, the worst.
He got served by Wayne Dennison. another mic drop team depp
Can you imagine going in to see a psychiatrist and this was the guy…🤣
He was great for Depp though lol. I loved when Dennison just let it linger long enough for Dr. Spiegel to wonder whether his analysis was being applied to Heard instead.
And that's why Amber's crew doesn't want to make live witness, they get out of control very easily with pressure
agreed, something about his demeanour irks me, he strikes me as someone thinking they're smarter than everyone else and just wanting to ramble fancy words to look important.
There is a 100% chance that this guy is obnoxious.
Ha ha, ha, ha!!! Do not argue with the attorney questioning you. I think this is not cutting both ways. He's AH's witness not only can be talking about her, the jury has to despise him. If they don't like your witness, that's bad for you.
His diagnosis is antagonistic personality disorder! Just my very unprofessional opinion! 😂 Another psychiatrist with a superiority complex?! 🤔
Based on that observation alone you're a more qualified expert witness than he was.
My day is kinda shitty today, so I'm here rewatching Dennison roast Dr. Spiegel.
Me too
Me too 😅
More than a year later, and it is my guilty pleasure.
Dr Spiegel’s cross-examination by Wayne Dennison was pure cinema!!! 😂😂😂
I often come back to watch it for comic relief. I work in medicine which makes it even funnier.
Calling this whole trial a "narcissistic insult" is crazy. The guy's entire life and livelihood was completely destroyed, wtf was he supposed to do? Roll over and play dead?
He's right unfortunatly 🤷♂️
@Jake And - They *wish* Johnny stayed abused and cowed! Abusers often forget that their victims aren't weak and can fight back
Fr
@@tredjesongen So your saying defending himself is narcissistic?
Well, not fully wrong.
But still, JD is doing the right thing by defending himself from horrible allegations. Even if this may seem narcissistic and a rich people problem. Hope the jury will take right decision
This Dr started out so arrogant and sure of his ability to bullshit his way through, it was pure joy and a pleasure watching Denis dismantle him piece by piece during cross.
I think Denis did great. Over at legal bytes they didn’t like his cross but IMO this doctor got completely obliterated and the lawyer did a good job.
I don't think the doctors’s testimony was that affected by the cross at all.
He focused on a HUGE piece of this whole lawsuit- JD’s addiction issues have been glossed over throughout the trial; him speaking to the impact of addiction on brain function and behavior had to be addressed.
Clearly he should have kept his temper under control though lol...
@@mtz6198 it was as depp lawyer pointed out how he getting paid to testfi and that alone makes him not credible
It was a work of art!
@@mtz6198 the cross was incredibly useful for depps team in the sense that they completely ruined any credibility this doctor had. He proved that he was unethical and that you arent supposed to diagnose or give a professional opinion without a court order. The only person who had an examination by a psychiatrist was amber heard. When you think of things this way, his entire testimony is null and void because he came across as agressive and unethical. Also contridicted himself and backpedaled the entire testimony.
I am absolutely baffled by the Defense’s decision to demonize Johnny Depp’s substance abuse issues when their own client is a unrepentant, heavy drug user herself.
I've noticed this is a popular tactic with these people
projection is her primary issue it seems
I don't think her use is abuse level
@@humanidee118 Other than smashing his finger off. And the recordings.
@@Dozav7 the jury have the full recordings. Depp never once contests that he abused Amber, and she complains to him several times in detail about it. He admits on there to kicking her, headbutting her, and cutting his own finger off.
Don't get it wrong. HE's the abuser.
The cheek of talking about Depp's processing speed when he himself went into a full 7 seconds of mouth gynnastics after being asked a question, then had the judge confirm that yes, he does have to answer questions on the stand. Jeez.
😂
Excellent point!
Most of Amber’s side seem smug, arrogant, and unlikable. That includes her lawyers, witnesses, experts, and Amber herself. The attitude of their psychiatrist this morning was deplorable. I don’t think he did her any favors other than making the cross examination my morning entertainment because I couldn’t stop laughing at him getting demolished and losing it on cross. I just can’t take her medical experts seriously because they just become unhinged when challenged. You can also tell her side are all severely rehearsed because they can’t maintain staring at the jury once they’re in cross.
Kinda like “you are the company you keep”
@@grilledsleaze Facts! lol
Esp her legal team, so rude. Where's Depp's legal team is very respectful to these awful lying witnesses.
Amber texted them to “donate” 10 million when she win so they took the offer unfortunately amber’s plan is just hearsay goodluck to this liars
Frustrated soon
I am an ED nurse with 45 years experience. The psychiatrist is typical of most of the psychiatrists I have dealt with; arrogant and weird.
Great description!
I’ll bet his handwriting uses triple the space like we se with his colleagues too.
That is scary
He seems the kind of arsehole that would refer to female staff as lady and little girl.
Arrogant, yes - many Drs are IME. I don’t think he’s weird. And I think he has touched on the effects of long term drug use over time, which was important.
He does seem to have a slow and odd way of answering questions and he needed a lot of helping staying on track.
I wish Depo had been required to do an in-person evaluation like AH had to.
Ironically the most credible expert in the entire case is the only one who's not board certified. Makes you think.
It really makes you think about the patients he treats he sounds like he needs treatment himself.
IS THAT REALLY YOU?
Dr. Shannon Curry is my fave witness for Team JD during trial ...and Isaac B. next... my fave rebuttal witnesses are Morgan Night (Hicksville Trailer Palace), Kate Moss and of course Morgan Tremaine (ex TMZ employee). Emily nailed this testimony by Dr. Spiegel!!! (Doc Brown/Christopher Lloyd) She was spot on. Team Depp's Wayne Dennison tears the Doc a new one IMO.
I can't find the vid Emily did of his crazy letter to Newsweek (post testimony) and her summation of it. SIR...SIR... I laughed so hard ...she nailed that also. Love her insight.
So happy for JD. NeverFearTruth! 🚫🍞🍞 (Unbreaded) ✂️✋✋. 🎶🌂🎸
@@Cynbad333 I’d throw in Ben King as well :)
But not all careers need board certification.
Take for example accountants. Many of them do not apply for chartered status.
Those that do, they do it to get higher paying jobs effectively.
Generally speaking these extra certifications are for getting higher paying roles and jobs. Or being able to qualify for extra things.
Many people opt not to do this since they are happy where they're at or they don't need the extra title.
Also for something like a chartered accountant status - you have to pay to keep that status.
A large part of this accreditation at higher levels is generally about money (expertise comes into it yes, but it also shows that many people who apply may be more likely to be applying due to greed, effectively).
Which leads to the question - can those people be swayed by money?
Dennison has not gotten enough credit for his part in this trial. He has been awesome!
Agree. He’s the expert destroyer at this point!!
I love him and his seemingly bumbling ways. He's like an assassin disguised as a grandpa
I didn't love him when I first watched the trial last year (because he didn't seem as confident as Camille and Chew), but having watched lawyers in multiple other trials (Murdagh, Paltrow etc.) I appreciate Dennison a lot more. He might not be as smooth in his presentation, but he knows what he's doing.
@@Cassiee102that is a perfect analogy
@@Cassiee102 He really played the fool to catch the wise.
As a person with a clinical psych degree and an ADHD diagnosis, Dr. Spiegal's testimony absolutely W-I-L-D. I've never seen someone go to such lengths to describe psychological and relational concepts with such glaring ineptitude. He doesn't seem to understand impulse control disorders, polysubstance abuse, and the dynamics of comorbidity? He doesn't seem to have a basic grasp on the professional standards of conduct for his field? He doesn't know the basic definition of gaslighting?? If they hadn't spent the first 15 minutes establishing his credentials, I'd have thought they just pulled a Doc Brown impersonator out of his agent's office, threw a suit at him, and walked him straight to the stand. This is absolutely wild.
I lost it when that was all he said about gaslighting. I was like that’s it? That was barely barely a definition
I'm a layman and I thought the exact same thing W-I-L-D. You can't pin a medical diagnosis on correlation (the risk factors)! It's insane and is basically bigotry of a sort.
Wow he was erratic and lacks empathy... Not johnny... Not addicts... Not people that need mental health. If I ever have to change my psychiatrist or therapist and sat across this man for 2 minutes I would leave
Oh, how did you like him describing the APA Code of Ethics as "suggestions more than rules"? 🤦😂I only have a a Master's in Psychology and I know that's absolute BS! Could you imagine him in front of a board explaining to them how he didn't need to actually evaluate Johnny in person because he had interviews and a movie role plus the words of his proven abuser to evaluate him.....How well do you think they would take that? About as well as Dr. Spiegel explaining that the Code of Ethics are just suggestions I would imagine. Lmao
@@lestatsluv317 yes I have four years of psych and it seemed ridiculous to not take the code of ethics seriously .
It is amazing how completely tone deaf AH’s team is. They have the psychiatrist describing the traits of narcissism without realizing they are having him describe Amber.
Ain’t that the ever lovin truth lol
1000% true
Exactly what I thought!!!
Well….if Dr. Spiegel got through med school, so can I lol
🤣🤣🤣
You know what’s funny about Elaine’s whole board certification obsession? Dr. Curry has a PhD in clinical psychology. It’s harder to get into clinical psych PhD programs than it is to get into medical school🤗🤗🤗
The trial is over, but I can't stop watching this cross examination
Is legendary
I am currently rewatching after the settlement last week. The Speigel cross will never NOT be hilarious.
priceless!
@@eggibbs ik I'm doing the same i forgot how hilarious this was
I'm honestly appalled by Dr Spiegal, as a psychology proffesional myself his conduct is not only unproffesional it's unethical as well.
I'll give you an official diagnosis... he has assholiphrenia. 😆
As someone in recovery...he made me feel so small
So happy i have my therapist, group & psych
Oh, but, remember.... according to Spiegel, it's cool because ethics are just suggestions in psychology, not rules.....🤦😂 I could not believe he said that. Even for an unethical Amber witness, that left me speechless.
@@Regina_Filanji You are Giant! Strong and fierce. Do not let that crazy man’s words make you feel small. 😉
Camille's cross sort of flows, but Dennison's cross makes the witnesses fall hard on rage, she is more like a gotcha kind of cross while he drags them down to the point they rage quit and exposes them, different styles to different witnesses, that is why you build a team
I'm beginning to understand his M.O. and it makes sense now. He never gives up and keeps coming back until you give him the answer he wants. 😅
@@winstonchurchll What do you mean by "M.O."?
@@05carsm mode of operation
@@05carsm modus operandi!
I totally agree and I think Eacb has a time and place and holy shit he blew this away! Go Dennison!
Whenever I need a good laugh, I come back and watch Dr. Spiegel's cross lol. My God, it's a comedic goldmine!!!!
Dr Spiegel provided nothing more than comedic relief for the jury im sure😂😂
And the rest of us too lol
Ambers entire case is “drugs are bad” and “everyone’s lying but me”
"drugs are bad but not for me i can do that and stay a saint"
This sums it up perfectly.
"Drugs are bad, mkay" 😤😂
Yes! 🙌
Especially ironic considering the scar tissue in her nose is actually more consistent with habitual cocaine use, not a broken nose.
If I was a juror, I would strike everything Dr. Spiegel testified. I would not want him as my doctor. Sounds like he’s one that will ignore your symptoms and tell you you’re ok. 🙄
Or get angry when you tell him the treatment plan isn't working because he can't accept that he's wrong.
@@aliceiscalling That sounds about right. Lol
I would walk right out... Does he have patients for real? Prob Like in AHD Asylum
Why has NO ONE noticed that this "Expert" LITERALLY JUST STATED THAT "the prosecutor will NEVER seek counseling, but the victim will almost always seek counseling "!!!! 🤔🤔 Did I hear that incorrectly?!?!?! Johnny has BEEN seeking counseling!!! AH has not!! Willingly, on her own!! Like...
WTF?!?!
AH had two individual therapists and one couple therapist that she brought on, whom Johnny referred to as "Amber's therapist." JD wasn't in any therapy outside of whatever his psychiatrist offered.
I would disagree with his whole entire approach and call it BS. Don’t listen to anything he stated as expert! Who are we to claim that a person who has hurt others can never come to a place of repentance? As a counselor myself, I have seen repentance and whole-hearted remorse of wrongful actions. It is something to celebrate and encourage not dismiss as a “never gonna happen” philosophy. Wow, the thought of what this man preaches in a therapeutic session horrifies me.
Um ah has always had a therapist even before she met Johnny so that's not true either way you cut it.
@@katie1867and in a teaching capacity? Scary. No wonder people are afraid to get help if they come across therpaists like this you wouldn't ever go near one again!
I had a cognitive function exam: it was 5 intensive hours with a neuropsychologist and, yes, she asked if I'd slept, if I'd eaten, if I was sober. It's absolutely whackadoodle that this man thought he could diagnose without that.
That board certification thingy is starting to mean less and less to the Jury with each expert witness AH's team brings in.
Especially as all AHs professional witnesses are not very friendly and seem so up themselves.
@@beckyboo851 quite the coincidence isnt it 😂
Well no medical professional diagnosed him with narcissism. A medical professional diagnosed amber heard with borderline and histrionic.
They can't diagnose without literally seeing patient in person.
He diagnosed him bases off of interviews Depp gave. How can you even say sth like that as a doctor? If it were upto me id have clearly said its impossible for me to go and say he had this and he had that without ever examini the patient. Knowing it would come and bite me in the ass!!
Medical school 101 - “Past behaviors predict future behaviors “ JD has zero history/arrests vis à vis abuse towards women in 59 years. AH has been arrested due to her domestic assault of ex-lover. AH is at higher risk yo be a perpetrator of DV.
ETOH, Rx/illicit drug use/abuse does not mean you are an abuser. Both JD and AH both abused ETOH and illicit drugs. But AH is the only one with documented history of arrest for domestic assault.
The psychiatrist can apparently say Johnny has traits of a mental health disorder without diagnosing to get around needing to do a proper assessment necessary to diagnose a mental health disorder. Sneaky...
@@dra.latina3063 nice point
I feel sorry for every patient that had Spiegel as their doctor. It's so incredibly sad this person is actually treating people who need help.
Especially DID & traumatized folk, it’s hard enough to find adequate mental health treatment without people like this guy in the trauma field.
As a mom of 3 ADHD young adults, I can tell you that they absolutely must have background noise going. My son explained it to me that while having punk rock in the background distracts me and causes me to not be able to focus, his brain uses that extra stimulation to boost his focus level. So my son will have one ear bud in and be listening to The Ramones or a podcast while he's also writing an essay or working on geometry.
I’m the older sister to a child with ADHD! Thank you for explaining this ❤️
Me too! I listen to things because it’s like instead of my brain making up sounds and things to listen to that make it hard to think, I put on something to listen to and it’s like and external thing possibly taking up space that my brain would otherwise be actively making up
More than anything else... this is making me suspect I may need to seek a possible diagnosis.
Thank you for posting this, it puts me more at ease. My husband has very severe adhd and I am just learning how to do the things with my daughter who also seems to have it.
Agreed. However there was testimony earlier in the trial that JD did actually use an earpiece to prompt him. 🤷♂️
I'm still gobsmacked that a psychiatrist can base his 'findings' on watching Johnny Depp in movies, interviews and never, I repeat never, sitting down with him at least once! I lost it when he tried to compare to pirates and backtracked calling JD an idiot.
@@repentandbelieveinjesuschr9495 why would I season sentences with Salt do I look like a chef
right? and JD was acting*** in movies. of course his behavior is different, he's playing a character!
EDITED footage at that! You know he wasn't watching uncut footage when he was tracking "processing speed." Does he not know that what he sees on television is all edited???
If you didn't know who he was testifying for, you'd think he's describing Amber.
My thoughts exactly. I'm watching on replay because I'm in NZ, I thought he was Depp's guy for a while 😂
I was thinking that the whole time!
I’m watching this six months later and when I saw Dr. Spiegel, I was like ‘YES! Elaine has no idea what is about to happen! Where is my popcorn?!”
Same lol
Dr.Spiegle and his WILD testimony is my comedic relief for the day😂
I've watched a trial a few times, where the expert witness (doctor) is even more loony that Speigal. He eventually rolls his chair right off the witness stand!!! Hysterical!
@@c2cooler2 which doctor was that? I missed that one!
I hope the jury can see that the psychiatrist’s testimony seems to describe Heard more than Depp! Or am I crazy?!
I 100% agree
I had that same thought, the more he talked that more it sounded like he was talking about heard.
Nooooooo girl it definitely describes Amber to a T ("Lots and lots and LOTS of Tea!")
Nah I think it describes both of them
Well she projects when she gives her story
This man is a disgrace to the field of Psychology. Unacceptable behavior on all levels.
He cannot diagnose without evaluating the patient in person over multiple visits.
My favorite professor in Graduate School would have a field day with this guy.
What a mess! I hope the jury sees through this crap.
I don’t think we heard that the other 2 had more time to do the forensic evaluations. And furthermore the 3 are paid by the parties. None of them are unbiased as they would be if the court paid them. Though I think there’s bang for their buck with this one.
not that I wish him to be... but I suspect that he will become a pariah among his peers in his field after this testimony. So many blatant ethical lines crossed and no remorse on his part; just hubris.
@@charismahornum-fries691 Dr Curry did an evaluation on AH though. Only AH Psy experts suggested things about JD without actually evaluating him, only relying on records.
❤️🌹❤️🌹❤️
@@amaramente321 but JD was not required to meet with this Dr. - he was asked and declined, twice.
Doctor Spiegel’s cross is, without a doubt, going to be made in to a movie someday.
There will be people in theatre who use this as their performance to show off their acting range.
Just watch
It’s coming. And I’m there for it. He is UNHINGED.
it's one of those things where people will watch the movie and think 'no fucking way, they're just throwing this in to make him look bad, so lazy' and then they find a clip of the actual trial and are shocked at the real thing being even more unhinged than the actor's attempt.
Okayyyyyy so, yes, I’m still rewatching this trial montttthhhhs later. But I just need to emphasize how GENUINELY HAPPY it makes my heart to rewatch Camille cross-examining Dr Moore and noticing the pride on Jessica Meyer’s face while she watches Camille DO THE DAMN THING. I love this team SO MUCH
Me too! When Vasquez starts asking him questions and he starts nervously answering the Queen song March Of The Black Queen plays in my head. Brilliant work CV-Cross Boss!
I'm so glad I'm not the only one its so hard to believe it's been a year and I still rewatch and am still seeing head lines about how amber heard was mistreated by UA-cam and social media
@@sinnlygormes9089 not to mention a whole 3 part Netflix doc trying to propagandize all her bullshit
AH's expert misrepresented JD's testimony of his finger position when the bottle made impact. As a certified wound nurse, part of my job is to evaluate the etiology of a wound, in order to provide proper care for a wound to heal. The photo of Johnny Depp's injured finger that was shown in the trial tells the whole story and refutes Heard's testimony regarding Australia. This injury was not caused by any cutting surface at all. The wound was created from the impact of the bottle against the end of his finger, causing his finger to literally explode from the energy of the impact. His finger was also severely fractured almost mid point through the distal (phalange) bone of that middle finger. That fracture is further down his finger than the actual wound, again suggesting blunt force trauma to the finger, NOT a cutting injury. Depp's wound is not symmetrical which would be expected if he had cut off his finger with a knife as Heard's team was suggesting. Their expert witness specifically misrepresented the testimony of where JD's finger was when the injury occurred. Furthermore, if JD slammed his finger in a sliding door as the expert was suggesting, he would have had damage sustained to his finger nail in that type of crushing injury. You can't slam your finger in a door and just hit the tip!
Do you have a link to the new stream I can’t find it now, It’s not showing on her page like usual
@@Fee.1 it's in the video description
@@avastrawberry8519 What an angel.
Vesuvius
@@avastrawberry8519 don't see it
This psychiatrist triggers me of the bad psychiatrists and psychologists I’ve seen throughout my life. Finding the right fit shouldn’t be so hard, but there are a lot of ones that misdiagnose and have a lack of empathy due to their own psychological issues and narcissism.
Oh my goodness i couldn’t like a comment more! I’ve been in and out myself thought institutions like dual diagnosis rehabs and i am QUITE jaded and traumatized by these so called professionals. They’ll do anything for a check.. even misdiagnose and in this case, lie on the stand.
Preach. If I met this man I would never return to his office.
Agree 💯💯💯💯
Exactly! Unfortunately there appear to be more of the shity type, whereas the good ones are rare.
Yes!
Here to see Dr. Speigel get the grilling of his life.....again 😂😂😂
Edit: It blows my mind how incapable he is of just saying yes or no during the cross. Just like AH. He canNOT just say yes or no! Wow!
i will always think of the moment when dennison asks "so willy wonka doesn't matter to you?" and your laugh perfectly syncs up to camille's laugh, is in the top 3 moments from this trial. it's too goooooood!
“You can’t just take 8-10 tabs of ecstasy that’s not going to happen-“ Does Speigel not realize that AH has accused JD of doing just that??
Yah but she doesn't remember her lies so she probably forgot to pass that part on to him.
@@repentandbelieveinjesuschr9495 seriously that man needs some Jesus 😂
No if he remembered he would have known to answer in a way that favors her 😂
@@ada_pink hahaha 😂😂 he was something else right?!
I honestly don't believe he's studied or listened to this case or the plaintiff at all. There's no way he could make some of his claims if he had seen/heard the evidence on his own.
Imagine being abused, and having your body mutilated, and then being in court and being told that it never happened and that you’re lying.
Poor Johnny.
I know, right?!? BTW, I’m pretty sure this qualifies as gaslighting!
@@taradulin211 100% agree
Wow I had not watched Dr. S full testimony until a couple of days ago. And I had not read his op ed until yesterday. His lack of self awareness is stunning. He was so busy fighting with Dennison who did a great cross examination by the way that he did not realize he was being walked to the answers that Dennison wanted from him.
Some lawtubers were saying Dennison is terrible at cross cause he always lets the witnesses get out of control, just as a layperson I completely disagree, what he does so well is expose the biases and lack of logic of the witnesses for us all to see, if he got combative and tried to rein in the witness at every corner he would look defensive and not confident in his case. It's just one of the many contrasts between both teams, Johnny's was so throurough in airing out everything that Heard's looked slimy by comparison, like Elaine trying to trick Doctor Curry with the dates of when Amber started seeing Dr. Jacobs and misrepresenting what was in her own notes or just Heard's whole "pledge vs donate" fiasco.
Anyone rewatching a year later?? 😅
Imagine being the teenage child of this doctor. He was just attempting to gaslight the attorney questioning him. Without interviewing him
I am going to diagnose him as a narcissist.
So many people in comments have been saying that too.
lol that’s the wild part.
you can’t deny 6,000 strangers, on different videos &different platforms, all seeing that you’re a narcissist.
I took that part of the memory test during a Test for ADD and other learning disorders and I CRIED. Over and over I just couldn't remember those words!!! I was 24 at that time. The fact he couldn't recall those words doesn't have to have anything to do with drug use.
HEAR HEAR, my best result was 4. Mostly 2-3. This guy makes me so upset.
My heart is hurting for you reading that
Absolutely, poor recall can be from a number of "brain" reasons.
Thank you for saying this! I was tested for ADHD when I was 17 and the memory portion of the test was the absolute worst!! I feel ya!♥️
He so for sure as add or adhd. For sure.
July, 2023 Dr. Spiegel is still GOLD!!😂🤣😵💫🥴🏆
He's still gold in August 2023 too! Lol!
This lawyer is on fiyahhhh🔥🔥🔥🔥
Wayne Dennison is no joke!!!
Effortlessly! He really got under the experts' skin without even trying.
@@OumTHMDY He was my favorite lawyer on Johnny’s team--😍 (Destroying all of Heard’s so-called “experts”)
Fun fact time. The statistically favored drugs for ADHD-ers are:
- Legal subtances - nicotine, alcohol, and caffeine
- Somewhat legal - Marijuana
-Illegal - cocaine
Undertreated ADHD-ers (especially men) are more prone to addiction.
Some common ADHD symptoms in adults include:
- Emotional disregulation
- Lowered ability to regulate and control attention
- Forgetfulness
- Poor sleep
Basically, the new psych expert explained that JD had under- managed ADHD.
Thank you for adding this and I completely agree
Well said (from another in the ADHD camp diag, treated and now adhd coach. ).
Lmao, not me having all these and only these as preferred substances with adult adhd
Sitting in chemo session. You keep me sane.
Good luck!
Lots of love ❤️ X
❤️ Sending you love
sending love and strength !
Light and love your way .
Rewatching this after I learned Depp practiced with Dennison for his cross examination. His team make him hold up to their heaviest hitter. Smart!
That is interesting!!
Ooh that's interesting! Where did you get that info? Would love to read more.
This guy and every "expert witness" in this case is making the field of psychology and mental health look like a joke. As a licensed professional counselor, it makes me very sad. We need to do better.
Dr. Curry is a breath of fresh air, I think she'll be back on stand today (Wednesday)
Hes teaching as well ...which is pretty horrifying.
I have been an ortho nurse for years, there is NO WAY IN HELL they can say for certain that a bottle did not do it. There are so many different angles and trajectories that could have occurred.
I guess you can pay some people enough money to get their unwavering support regardless of the medical facts and variants of the situation
He said a bottle could cause it but not the JD described and surrounding glass, etc.
100%
@@lesliekenyon7487 He then went on to incorrectly explain what Depp said...its honestly too bad. Wish he could have given his opinion having accurately understood what Depp had said. I was curious about this testimony and disappointed he didn't get it right
People have lost toes from dropping a skillets on their feet. Same general idea
As an RN, who studied cause and effect of all types of fractures.
Yes, the high velocity of a glass bottle of alcohol being slammed against a finger tip can indeed cause a commuted fracture. 😱Absolutely no doubt about that.
The testimony of this doctor was totally disingenuous. Shame on him! 😳
As an RN, agree 💯
I Personally can’t believe it was allowed to be presented to a jury as expert testimony. Wild.
Especially if the jug was full( also RN)
When he said the injury couldnt possibly be from a bottle...HE LIED....
Ex ED and ICU...
Medically Retired....!
Ive seen some things.and i believe nothing is possible
I'm rewatching this and I forgot how wild this is. As a counselor, im almost dying laughing, bc I feel like Spiegell read documents about the wrong person. Everything he described was hitting the nail on the head for AH.
I'm just amazed at how these experts are just taking the information they're getting as fact. You'd think they're related to Amber the way they're on the defense.
This went so far off the rails, and every time I think it can’t get more insane….. 😂😂😂 Emily’s reactions to this are killing me! This man is straight up wild on that stand. Watching Johnny and team trying to hold themselves together and not laugh is soooo good.
I am crying I'm laughing so hard it's crazy I have never ever seen any Dr act this way then he just nuts up.... Starts licking the air or invisible flies ... And Jonny Depp's face. When he starts licking the air extreme cotton mouth. He is taking his own prescription fo ADHD or he is a tweeker. Either way wow LMAO I'm dying
Invisible flies 😂😂
Lord the way I just knew Spiegell was going to be a trainwreck when he said he said he'd published something on DID. So many people who work with DID and OSDD-1 patients ESPECIALLY in inpatient care are just like this guy. I feel bad for the systems who were forced into his care and I hope they find someone better. This guy is a disgrace to his expert field.
Edit: DID is not based on IPV. At all. Its based on multiple accounts of trauma before the age of 10. Violence does not ever have to be included in that trauma, and it certainly does not include partner violence. This man is not credible at all.
I was concerned when he said DID could appear after abuse in adulthood. I'm no expert but did know it was usually a trauma in childhood. He quacks when he walks for sure
Yes! Everything I've ever heard about DID from actual systems indicates a childhood trauma.
Dr. Spiegel was wild. Lesson learned, review how your expert behaves on the stand before you hire them. He was very quick to get angry, which is odd for a psychiatric expert.
Yep! He felt personally challenged by the lawyers, this is already noticeable when they ask him about his IPV expertise in the first part.. He can't admit that his expertise is in the consequences of IPV (trauma) and not in IPV itself.
Ben Chew's reactions are absolute gold and very relatable
I wholeheartedly LOVE when Camille says “No. That’s not my question…!” 👏🏾👏🏾😅
Edit: “Let’s try my question…” - I’m stealing that 😂😂😂
on finger damage witness ...
the testimony of Depp was that he told Aussie Doc that it was injured by an accordion door. then he said the doctor looked at him and stated "that's a high Velocity injury." That suggests the treating physician disbelieved the account of the injured person, which is VERY TYPICAL of abuse victims.
Yeah... I am all for a professional in the field to review evidence and come to a factual conclusion, but he is coming under the assumption that the whole bottle would have hit Depp and shatter from the impact on the finger. And that is the only angle he is coming from. To me, it seems feasible, that a bottle was thrown and hit so close to a hand that was already at an angle dangling from the bar, and when it shattered one of the shards of glass flew and severed the finger. Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't Depp mentioned the bottle hitting close, shattering, and one of the pieces cutting him?
AND the treating Dr believed the exact opposite of heards expert witness who only looked at the treating Dr's notes.
@@Alexshik12 I don't think he did. I think he said it hit, then shattered. But I still agree with you. Depp said she was kinda off to the side. She wasn't throwing straight at his finger from directly in front. And handle bottles of vodka are THICK and HEAVY. I can't believe he disagreed with a bottle impact not fitting the injury. A very thick solid glass with liquid in it pinched his fingertip. It got squished between the bottle and the bar, on impact. I don't understand how he claims that's drastically different from closing a door on it, which he says does fit. His only argument seemed to be the nail bed was fine. Am I the only person who's finger pad is wider than my nail bed? Especially when it's on a hard surface, like the edge of a bar top? I've seen skin rip open on the underside of a toe before the person was running barefoot on a rubber floor and switched directions super fast and the toe had just a tiny bit too much friction. Skin is fragile. It honestly does not take a lot of pressure squishing or twisting to make it split open.
Honestly if Amber's side wanted a better use of their time that would get the jury on their side, they should have just put a dog on stand and told it to do tricks.
I mean, that would at least endear the jury to their side more than most of these witnesses
And we wouldn’t have had to listen to “what, if any” for an hour… 🫣
Or a kangaroo as a witness for Australia 🦘
@@Greybears what, if any, tricks can you do? What, if any, treats do you like? Who, if anyone, is a good boy?
I literally just laughed out loud!
Licensed psychotherapist here w/ 20+ yrs in private practice. 🙋🏻♀️
One of the most fundamental & ethical principles in our field is not to diagnose an individual we have not directly assessed, period. We can talk about actual behavior reported by the individual or gleaned from collateral material, but it’s straight-up unethical for this psychiatrist to diagnose Depp, particularly w/ a personality disorder (PD) which is always a complex & very serious assessment process, & to make conclusions as if Depp has been confirmed to have Narcissistic PD. I’m actually shocked w/ all of his experience & times testifying that he would screw-up on something so fundamental to our ethics as mental health professionals. If I were to do something like that it would be grounds for me to lose my license to practice.
I’ve diagnosed a number of clients over the years w/ PD’s, & it’s never a process I take lightly, nor do I ever make that type of diagnosis after just reading their chart &/or seeing the client only one time. A possible exception may occur if that client had already undergone a full psychological assessment w/ testing, & even then, I’d likely defer diagnosing a PD until the 3rd or 4th session precisely because it is such a profound & serious diagnosis & will become a part of the client’s permanent medical record going forward since there are no cures for PD’s. They are always pervasive & life-long. While symptom management can & does occur in many clients who commit to treatment, the PD never fully goes away.
“I have never heard someone say so many wrong things, one after the other, consecutively, in a row.” - Me (and David Rose) watching Dr. Spiegel testify
I'm a speech-language pathologist and I've administered the Mini Mental State Exam (MMSE). According to his attorney, Johnny scored 27/30. 26 and above is considered normal!!!!!!!!! I'm SHOCKED they are putting any weight on that test score at all.
Right? Crazy time in court!
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Technically he said, the EXPERT had no idea what the score is. Even though Johnny made a 0 in the memory test, there are 30 entire questions and there were still 27 points left and the expert doesn't know how many other questions johnny got correct.
Ditto! I give that test at least twice a week. 27/30 is WFL and no one mentioned that.
I work in primary care and we do the MMSE too.. the way he classified it was absurd and honestly insulting to anyone with experience with it.
The career bodycount for this trial is going to be epic
Wondering if the APA is going to take any action... I mean this was public view of him breaking the ethic code and that don't look good.
@@imfinereally And his ego is so enormous that he admitted it!
Something you mentioned about Spiegel in cross makes a lot of sense. It felt like Dennison was provoking him repeatedly regarding the Goldwater Rule to get him more and more visibly upset before the jury so that when he finishes his cross with the "Idiot" questioning, it really drives home to the jury that Spiegel's testimony seemed biased and that he may have willfully ignored certain aspects of the case for personal gain. Great insight!
"...and I can't swear to you..." Sir, you've sworn to EVERYTHING YOU ARE SAYING.
It’s hard to remain clean and sober when your spouse is drinking, doing drugs and asking you to get a joint and wine. Amber has zero responsibility… 🙄
Yes
Yes this witness was VERY defensive. This guy seemed to contradict himself and back tracked and seemed to be frazzled.
It seems like part of that was because Amber & her team misrepresented things to him.. 😬😬
@@jennybenners3683 Yeah that's what I was wondering in a comment someone made about the Ortho Dr. All of hers experts have been lacking it seems imo & in most of Emily's opinions as well. I've not got to the psychiatrist testimony yet. But I hate to malign all the ppl who were her side's experts bc maybe they are somewhat competent professionals & have just been spoon fed faulty info they based their opinions on. & I want to give them the benefit of doubt. But ppl like Dr Hughes? Ohh boy! She was NOT professional & did not go over well w\anyone's bc of her major bias on display. & All of her expert witnesses have been ... lackluster! Just hope that the jury is feeling the same we are!
@@Amber-yq9ee
She’s lied to everyone.
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@@jennybenners3683 blindsided.... That was so mean to do to your witness.
Came back here 1year later to have a good laugh, this cross is trail GOLD 😂😂
I have been rewatching the case… relistening while drawing actually but the second I heard “Dr. Spiegle” I had to come & watch this with my eyeballs 😂
Goes to show that not all psychologists and psychiatrists are empathetic and ethical people lol
Unfortunately every profession has a few bad apples
MOST aren’t actually. Like police, therapists attract vile people & those with personality disorders. You’re free to not believe that, but it’s fact & doesn’t change reality.
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HUGE ego!!!
Try most
today was a total shitshow, i didnt think ambers case could get any worse, all experts today were jokers
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Oh I thoroughly enjoyed it! Its the first time I didn't want to smack the screen! Lol that psychiatrist was hilarious! 🤣🤣🤣
Love watching Camille the pocket rocket take aim and demolish 😁😁😁🥰🥰
same
Watching this again is so entertaining. EDB, I freaking LOVE your reactions and commentary. It’s cool to zoom in on the gallery and lawyers to see what happened during the trial.
That’s why WE love you!! Thanks for ALL of this 💜💜🌈💜💜
I’m rewatching this and when Elaine announces Dr. Spiegel I immediately thought: “Emily had no idea what was coming next…” haha what a mess!
I am shocked that Team Heard took so so much of their precious time to ask Dr Spiegel 10,000 questions about every science fair and award 🥇 he’s every won 😂😂😂
Because now they have two experts indicating IPV was possible therefore her article isn’t defamation. Then it’s based on her account of the facts which 2 experts have supported. Did you forget she’s in a defamation case?
@@fi-train8961 Just because something is possible does not mean it actually happened ! That is not proof .
Let them do it. They’ll run out of time and then they won’t be able to cross any of Johnny’s rebuttal witnesses. 🤷♀️
@@fi-train8961 if her experts had anything they wouldnt need to lie. Johnny showed where his hand rested, it was not were they said. Dr. Hughes cannot legally diagnos their relationship but did. Then completly ignored any contraditing statements.
@@BlackStump172 DV happens in private, it’s rarely 100% verified.
❗THE AGGRESSIVE PSYCHOLOGIST USED BY AMBER'S TEAM TODAY DID NOT INTERVIEW DEPP, SO HAD NO BASELINE TO MAKE A PROPER DIAGNOSIS. THIS MEANS HIS DIAGNOSIS WAS UNETHICAL❗
That and the guy makes no sense either 🤣🤣
He watched Pirates films and diagnosed him on that!! WHAT?
Unbelievable that he would attempt diagnose without testing and assessment, Would think it is unethical to do it.
I'm back here for spiegel cuz i need a laugh
I was in a mentally abusive relationship for 6/7 years, I was super independent beforehand; I was working full time and studying part time. I was so manipulated and *SO* gaslit that I could not eat food unless he was in the room with me - convinced I would choke and die on the food without him. It's so disgusting. Whenever Amber is gaslighting + manipulating people it's so triggering (I'm still working through my C-PTSD from the relationship). It wasn't until I was explaining my day to day life with my partner to my psychologist that I was told about gaslighting and that's what I had been experiencing - this session was back in 2016. I became so co-dependent, so reliant on him, and I hated myself for it. When Johnny said "You make me so sick of myself" - I related so hard to that. It's a gradual, conditioning, almost grooming-like process. It's so fucking disgusting. I hate Amber and I absolutely loathe any person that uses gaslighting to their advantage -- it literally makes the person a complete shell of themselves, thinking they can't trust themselves simply existing. I want Amber to rot.
Sorry for the vent.
I hear you. I hope you heal fully in time. I'm slowly coming to term with yet another aspect of my abuses. Looking back I'm incredulous I didn't see it either.
As a psychologist I feel like I should be drunk in order to be able to watch Dr. Spiegel's Cross. Is this real life?
Have you seems the reviews people have left on his page? (Before this) Who knows if they are true but wow! 😬
He got obliterated
@@Homestead-ish I have not but from his testimony he doesn't strike me as the most understanding and flexible professional, so I'm not shocked that he doesn't have glowing reviews
Yeah he does not seem stable
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I am speechless at this mornings testimony. Utterly without speech
. It was like someone challenged AH's team to find a more egregious expert than Dr. Hughes and boy oh boy did they succeed 🤦🏿♀️🤦🏿♀️🤦🏿♀️🤦🏿♀️
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Right! My mouth was opened the ENTIRE TIME.
@@crystala8020 Mine too! 🤯🤯🤯
Re-watching this with all the information we have now and I'm not sure which is better Camille's Cross of Amber Heard or Dennison absolutely demolishing Dr Spiegel. I just can't decide.
Ecxcellent observation. I think it’s equal!
As someone who was in the room when Camille went for the jugular, I' going to go with Camille. So methodical, snarky, yet firm and informative. However, Dennison's cross of Spiegel is a close second!
Whew! I think the Heard team’s decision to bring in a “local” expert for the Virginian jury has just blown up in their face.
What irked me about the psychologist's testimony is that he kept chalking up JD's memory problems due to drug use but where's the baseline? Did I miss that? As a ADHDer myself, how can you make statements about someone's cognitive state without also addressing comorbidities, correlations, etc.
Amber was using drugs too. I don't think that helped her at all.
Dennison asked him. The baseline was pirates, interviews and ads....
@@bleack8701 He didn't take Willy Wonka into account though. Lol!
I feel SO bad for Depp today! Having to sit there and listen to doctors who didn't see it tell you that what happened to you didn't happen...it's triggering my medical PTSD pretty hard and I had to skip some testimony. I've been there. I loved his expression when the hand surgeon said a vodka bottle couldn't have caused the finger injury. Like, "bruh...you weren't there..." Epic. Camille's cross was fire as well! I stan her! I want to bring her to my own appointments lol! She could take down a Neurologist or two for sure 😄
I seem to recall liquor bottles being kind of thick so I'm guessing if thrown hard enough and directly hits the tip of a finger when that hand is on a hard surface, it would cause a crushing effect but hey, I'm not one of those experts..
@@pyrieldarkstar6684 that’s exactly what I thought, it only strengthens team Depp’s argument.
@@pyrieldarkstar6684 Exactly, just going to the liquor store and looking at the bottom shelf to the top shelf vodka bottles you can SEE the glass getting thicker and heavier.
And I doubt JD and AH were purchasing or being provided with bottom shelf Burnett's lol.
@@AngeliqueElijah I totally agree with both of you! I hated how that doctor misrepresented how Depp's hand was hanging off the bar. It hit his finger sideways and absolutely could have torn the bottom of his finger off in the process as it crushed the bone. I worked as a Biologist for almost 2 decades. I've seen a lot of wounds and surgery. Depp's account makes perfect sense to me.
Dr. Spiegel is a clear example of a man so incredibly confident in his expertise, not being able to deal with said expertise when is turned on him.
"Just because you are a genius, doesn't mean you are smart" -- Powerpuff Girls.
I'm dead!! Lol
He should try being wrong once in a while... right?
@@Bent137 He should learn some gosh darned humbleness. But if its true that he deliberately crossed the Goldwater rule (if that is the name), then I think a big humble pie might be coming his way.
Great quote!
He also doesn't want to admit the limits of his expertise which already signals the ego issue (IPV is not his expertise, trauma is)
A year later and this day of this memorable trial still makes me 😂 😂😂. Emily glitching had me just rolling, along with the Dr. Spiegel odd mannerisms and back pedaling. Hilarious to watch.
Dr. Speigel made me really frustrated as someone with prior substance issues… he makes it sound like if you’re an addict then it’s inevitable that you’ll become violent or something
Its arcaic thinking. Just ridiculous. He's so judgemental and misoginistic almost in how to speaks people he deems inferior
The exact reason I place no weight on his testimony. Substance abuse issues do not make someone good or bad partners, as he tried to indicate . He also left out that AH participated in substance use too…
If they wanted him to be a non-biased expert, they should have never let him hear Johnny’s deposition. He should’ve only looked at the injury if this was supposed to be science based
Exactly!!
He seemed credible until he literally broke the Goldwater rule, started diagnosing Depp & assigning motives & diagnostic criteria to all his behavior WITHOUT EVALUATION but basing it on movie performances!!! WTH
My brother had a similar injury when he was loading large rocks in his truck. A rock slip and smashed his finger and the end of his finger “popped open like a squashed grape” as he put it…and his fingernail was still in tact.
My husband did something similar when he crashed his dirt bike.
I'm a substance abuse clinician; there IS NO STANDARD COGNITIVE EXAM FOR SUBSTANCE USE DISORDERS.
Thank you for stating this, it's important and many people don't know these facts. ❤️🤗
As an ICU nurse who works with a large interdisciplinary team ...I have never heard a MD ...especially a psychiatric MD speak this way in relation to diagnosis or explanation of pt mental health concerns.
I'm a nurse manager of a facility with a psych unit and dementia for mainly adults from 40 on up with other complex medical diagnoses. I 100% agree! If I had to work with him I would be fearful of his clinical practice if his testimony reflects his testimony. The amount of assessments floor and management nurses need to complete speaks to the amount of assessment physicians need to complete in order to have the evidence to back up diagnoses and the individual's plan of care seems completely incongruent with the actual practice of medicine. It is just odd. If as a nurse I can't even make a nursing diagnosis without eyes on a patient and interview of a patient I am not sure how he (Edit: as a physician) can make an accurate and appropriate medical diagnosis "of fact". Not to mention the baseline of Pirates of the Caribbean!
Yes yes yes. My brain kept screaming it like a church bell that won't stop ringing. Great to hear for Johnny but sadder than ever for Amber. I fear her losing but....
This might sound really odd but I wanted to thank you for covering this.
I survived my own Amber Heard a few years back and have been compelled
to watch this trial in support of Johnny and watching it through your channel
has made it easy and non PTSD inducing haha
You remind me so much of a dear friend I had before the assault that meant
a lot to me and always had my back and subconsciously I find your coverage
safe? is that a thing? Or is that totally stupid to say? Anyhoo... thanks for being
so cool :)
Emily thank you for being so open about ADHD & dyslexia. My nephew who was bullied by his brothers & at school has ADHD & aspergers. He isn't a lawyer, but he has every truck license you can get in Australia. He injured his wrist (broken twice) & was told he needed a new career & surgery. His boss thought so much of him & saw how upset he was he bought him a truck that he could drive.