Critical Concepts in the Nutritional Support of Mitochondria

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  • @patrickstarrfish4526
    @patrickstarrfish4526 Рік тому +30

    This video deserves a lot more views.
    The key points about excess fructose from about the 28:00-32:00-38:00 mark deserves a repost several times a year.

    • @tracysmith245
      @tracysmith245 Рік тому

      it has so much information even if you do not like who is talking, have more omega 3 and less omega 6, Fats Cooking OIls, Corn Syrup Fructose, etc a lot of people live with chronic inflammation and do not have a clue what they eat builds up plaque in your arteries have more heart attacks, not enough Vitamin D so sad Western diet has become an epidemic on its own the last 40 50 years changing the food supply processed food not real food anymore.

    • @BigDaddyBostin
      @BigDaddyBostin Рік тому +1

      Fruit juice is as bad as soda imo

  • @BiNumLi
    @BiNumLi Рік тому +15

    An automobile can not operate with a faulty engine. The 'engine' of the human body is not a huge organ, it is billions of tiny organelles. Perhaps it is their invisibility that has side-tracked medicine for generations and hindered us from realizing almost all disease states have their roots in metabolic dysfunction. Health of Mitochondria is paramount!

    • @frankfromupstateny3796
      @frankfromupstateny3796 7 місяців тому

      Correct...this is why animal density..is best for mito efficiencies.

    • @audreyfischer8662
      @audreyfischer8662 4 місяці тому +1

      Cross out billions, friend; replace with TRILLIONS 💜!

  • @ogeoge6000
    @ogeoge6000 Рік тому +34

    Changing my diet saved me from debilitating back pain, nerve pain, joint pain, muscle pain, digestive issues, raised blood pressure, 20kg over weight. It took around 8 months for all these problems to resolve. Since 2020 I've been completely pain free and never felt and looked healthier.
    I'm only eating fatty meats, seafood, eggs and dairy.
    Prior to that I was eating the mainstream version of a healthy diet (lots of veggies, fruit, whole grains, low fat, eating the rainbow etc) for decades and watching my health slowly decline.
    I learnt lots watching videos by Dr Ken Berry, Dr Shawn Baker, Dr Gary Fettke, Dr Benjamin Bikman, Dr. Malcolm Kendrick, Dr Anthony Chaffee, Dr Paul Mason etc.
    And these authors videos Diana Rodgers, Robb Wolf, Lierre Keith.
    I read this peer-reviewed scientific article, that shows how 2,029 people had amazing results on the diet I'm on it's called "Behavioral Characteristics and Self-Reported Health Status among
    2029 Adults Consuming a Carnivore diet".

    • @Asduyr
      @Asduyr Рік тому +2

      Absolutemon George but what made you eat that junk in the first place (lowlife gov propaganda nodoubt!) KarnivoreRock&roll 😁

    • @jboogs49
      @jboogs49 Рік тому +4

      ​@@Asduyrinteresting centuries of anecdotal data about proper nutrition. Extensive studies score eating a balanced diet fruit vegetable lean proteins and healthy fats is the best diet. Lowers all forms morbidity and mortality. Americans eat on average 60% of their calories from refined sugars and simple carbs. Remove this from diet and it won't matter what you eat as long as whole foods. Every study shows this and also don't eat in excess we make it too complex

    • @Asduyr
      @Asduyr Рік тому

      Centuries of proof! we only ate fruit in autum whilst it was abundant! putting on fat for the cold winters in the northern hemisphere, our digestive tract is carnivore. Whats yours like ? a sheep or a goat? - probably not! @@jboogs49

    • @jellybeanvinkler4878
      @jellybeanvinkler4878 11 місяців тому +2

      ​@@jboogs49the thing is, cutting carbs to little or none makes it easier. I have cut "calories" over and over and it was never sustainable. Even a "healthy" apple or bowl of oatmeal will have me craving more carbs. If I cut these foods (as well as processed grains, etc) all together, I have no cravings and can stick to a healthier WOE.
      This may change as I return to health, but I'll stick to low carb/keto for now.

    • @frankfromupstateny3796
      @frankfromupstateny3796 7 місяців тому

      Teach it!!!

  • @crowneagle2
    @crowneagle2 Рік тому +15

    Amazing video! I'm going through the exact same thing now. Cutting my Omega-6 fatty acid consumption solved many of my problems. The entire western diet is built upon Omega-6 fatty acids. I have a severe autoimmune disease to boot.

    • @frankfromupstateny3796
      @frankfromupstateny3796 7 місяців тому

      Smart...and eat more animal foods.

    • @nevinkuser9892
      @nevinkuser9892 5 місяців тому

      Kefir (fermented milk) helps a lot with autoimmune. As does fermenting your own veggies. The water is healing. That's the only veggies I consume and it's like a thin slice of fermented carrot or cucumber per day and that's it.

  • @charly71
    @charly71 Рік тому +9

    Regarding last question about brain health, mitochondria and the retrieval of carbohydrates from your diet Chris Palmer wrote a book called brain energy centred around metabolism, mental health and the key role of mitochondria. You'l find him on many podcasts here on youtube and what he describes is quit fascinating - and in line with subject of this video

  • @dr.samierasadoonalhassani2669
    @dr.samierasadoonalhassani2669 Рік тому +12

    Thanks for a well balanced rounded lecture presented in a well balanced neutral approach without selling,marketing,scientific honest way.

    • @rawveganfoodforthought2333
      @rawveganfoodforthought2333 10 місяців тому

      Definitely marketing a non whole food supplement at end of video. Disappointing.

  • @raykinney9907
    @raykinney9907 Рік тому +18

    Thank you! Lustig et al. clarified much of this initially to me, and this comprehensive additional summarizing is essential for incorporation into my understanding. Public health is in dire need of this information becoming provided by the medical paradigm, but given the 'capture' of the general medical system by 'profit at all cost' educational propaganda, not likely to be turned around any time soon. Education of individual doctors is primary to focus on, this is desperately needed IMHO! This is essential work for societal change, thank you.

    • @kenadams5504
      @kenadams5504 Рік тому +4

      Dr Lustig says the same as this lecturer , regarding seed oils , fructose , and excess carb affects on insulin resistance.

    • @karenf9137
      @karenf9137 Рік тому +2

      So back when… ah hem, everybody was spewing the mantra,
      “I think everybody deserves healthcare”
      My rebuttal was:
      “I think everybody deserves health”
      BIG difference!

  • @OGUNBUNMIMICHAEL-dn2eu
    @OGUNBUNMIMICHAEL-dn2eu Рік тому +6

    l love Dr Pius Ozigbe! My daughter and I loved watching him and his sister in operation Ouch and his "Dr who gave up drugs" He seems like such a genuine, empathetic, no bullshit guy who genuinely cares and makes complex issues easy to understand for the lay person❤❤❤❤☺️☺️

  • @vinaykeesara8273
    @vinaykeesara8273 Рік тому +14

    Could you comment on using pharmaceutical grade methylene blue as an aid in electron transport chain complex 4 in mitochondria

    • @nevinkuser9892
      @nevinkuser9892 5 місяців тому

      The comment is that it works but nothing except eating steak will make you super human.

  • @bug3474
    @bug3474 Рік тому +8

    Great presentation! I understand now why so many are having health improvements by eating low carb and more saturated fats. It's as much what they DON'T eat as what they DO eat, meaning no sugar, no seed oils...and more protein. I love my mitochondria!
    There is a problem though...my retirement job is on a golf course, inundated with toxins. I steer clear of the sprayers and chemical building, but sometimes it's unavoidable. I wonder what the life span is of those on the grounds crew, compared to others.
    Thanks for the information.

  • @audreyfischer8662
    @audreyfischer8662 4 місяці тому +1

    This lecture is jam-packed with fascinating facts that certainly can build understanding and motivate us to take better care of our mitochondria and, thus, ourselves. Thank you! I’ll have this lecture on replay for sure!

  • @bikegirl649
    @bikegirl649 Рік тому +2

    Dr. Bagnulo, thank you for your excellent lecture! Please consider doing more presentations as you explain metabolic concepts in a graspable manner.

  • @shell88ish
    @shell88ish 8 місяців тому +3

    Thanks s much. Excellent information here and very succinct.

  • @GregMeadMaker
    @GregMeadMaker Рік тому +10

    Thank you. Thank you. Your ability to explain things so clearly is much appreciated! There is a lot to absorb here, so I will listen to it multiple times. Well worth my time. Kudos to the researchers! Kudos to those who take the time to explain things to the general public, like me. 19:41 -- Audrey F.

  • @prakashmungekar3119
    @prakashmungekar3119 Місяць тому

    Excellent information. Thanks for sharing.

  • @leannatimmerman9922
    @leannatimmerman9922 Рік тому +9

    Very informative, useful, and helpful! Thank you.

  • @sgill4833
    @sgill4833 4 місяці тому +1

    Wonderful presentation.

  • @Annabelleese1
    @Annabelleese1 Рік тому +8

    Since Spirulini is a blue green algae and so is Chlorella would you say people should steer clear of them?

    • @MichaelMerritt
      @MichaelMerritt Рік тому

      Better tell Bryan Johnson of the blueprint protocol. He’s taking 2tbsp daily of chlorella to increase spermadine levels which is tied to longevity and increased autophagy levels.
      His source is a lab grown strain.

    • @philipambler3825
      @philipambler3825 Рік тому +1

      Wheat grass juice and seaweed in the regular diet..better.

    • @mercyme8014
      @mercyme8014 Рік тому

      It’s pond scum?

    • @angelacsargo5993
      @angelacsargo5993 9 місяців тому +2

      Pond scum? But so is our gut. It supplies nutrients for the nucleus and helps to clear out waste product in our gut while expanding the life span in mitochondria and supportive tele guys. If you have adrenal dysfunction it may have your body over compensating and out if your good fats are not balanced and or have a balanced minerals in the body. I just logged on to here what he says so I may have spoke to soon. But I love my scum pond tablets. I personally notice a big difference.

  • @AspergersversusNeurotypicals
    @AspergersversusNeurotypicals Рік тому +5

    I find high quality spirulina gives me lots of energy and causes no inflammation. (most other foods do). so it's a staple for me. (but costly.)

  • @badgernbuster
    @badgernbuster 9 місяців тому +1

    Thomas, please do video on fructose and methylglyoxal. Just watched a video that said excess fructose can harm the mitochondria through the formation of methylglyoxal

  • @fishermgcj
    @fishermgcj Рік тому +2

    Thank you! I just gave up applesauce~unsweetened, organic. But thanks to you I realize it might be causing me problems!!

  • @jamicarpenter8760
    @jamicarpenter8760 4 місяці тому +1

    Absolutely incredible 🙌🙌🙌

  • @haripanditparanjpe30
    @haripanditparanjpe30 Рік тому +2

    Brilliant presentation

  • @e7reyes
    @e7reyes Рік тому

    Excellent video ! Congratulations Dr. Jhon ❤

  • @andrerousselsapet5219
    @andrerousselsapet5219 Рік тому

    Beautiful presentation
    Love it ❤❤❤❤❤🐝🐝🐝🐝😊🐝🐝

  • @stevenwebbjrhistory
    @stevenwebbjrhistory Рік тому +4

    If fruit is bad, why is it the preferred energy source and why is it able to pass through the membrane without a transporter?

    • @we_are_all_the_same
      @we_are_all_the_same Рік тому +1

      He's conflating high fructose with natural fructose. Common miscommunication on social media.

    • @stevenwebbjrhistory
      @stevenwebbjrhistory Рік тому

      @@we_are_all_the_same glucose alone is worst than fructose

  • @andrerousselsapet5219
    @andrerousselsapet5219 Рік тому +7

    There is one thing I know
    We are no longer Hunters and Gathers
    We are chain stores eaters 🤪🤪🤪
    Now that’s where the problem lies
    Once again thank you so much for this beautiful presentation.
    Still leaning the terminology and big words😬😬🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @SB-qv3yo
    @SB-qv3yo 10 місяців тому +1

    Any association of liver/bile issues (enzyme/postcholecystectomy etc) and fructose/lipid pathology in brain (ataxia's)?

  • @karenohanlon4183
    @karenohanlon4183 Рік тому +4

    I was put on a diet when I was very young. It involved a lot of veg and bread (six slices per day the slogan at the time).Mind you the veg was fresher and local.
    My mother was told to give me chicken and fish. But as she had five children she could not afford good meats so we got a lot of potatoes bread and veg. Me on a diet I got less so I was always starving. And ended up my body stored any surplus so I just got fatter.
    Eventually after loads of health problems I was diagnosed b12 deficency and placed on injections.
    My GP asked what I ate I told her I needed a bar of chocholate to get out of bed I had no energy. Low mood all the things that goes with being overweight but nutriently starved.
    She advised red meat and I added butter. I take no potstoes now and only mushrooms and tomatoes and onions and peas. Cheese once per month and loads of eggs I dont drink milk. Fruit a few oranges in the Autum time.
    I am ketosis unless I have a holiday.
    But I do feel much better and the fat is disappearing in favour of muscle. I also take vit d and magnesium.
    Blue green algiae is killing our fish and also dogs who go into the water. Its the high volume of processed cheap foods that is killing us.
    Great viideo very informative.
    Thankyou

    • @crowdancer5
      @crowdancer5 Рік тому

      Bless you!!! Listen so carefully to your body and you will not go astray....Keto often does wonders but i have herd it said that the timewill come when it will be time to go more toward palo

    • @kenadams5504
      @kenadams5504 Рік тому +3

      Mitachondria are healthier without the ingredients in processed foods .Unfortunately , most ppl don't know this .We really need to teach ppl about the long term effects of processed food "ingredients" , and how keto / carnivore etc can prevent those long term affects .

  • @xiaoyuvax
    @xiaoyuvax Рік тому +2

    18:14 usually promoted as healthy , but the Olive oil Omega 6-3 ratio is 10:1 🤔

  • @sneakypress
    @sneakypress Рік тому +7

    CARROTS, CELERY, and BEETROOTS for MITOCHONDRIA . 😅

    • @gracewhite1601
      @gracewhite1601 Рік тому +2

      Nope as these are high in oxalates

    • @BigDaddyBostin
      @BigDaddyBostin Рік тому +1

      I'm more scared of pesticides rather than oxalates

  • @billpasquinelli9901
    @billpasquinelli9901 10 місяців тому

    Is supplementation with blue green algae, like spirulina and/or chollerla, good to do? Or are these supplements detramental to mitroconina function?

  • @jakobw135
    @jakobw135 Рік тому +2

    Isn't the fructose found in whole fruits beneficial for you because of the fiber?

    • @41hulas82
      @41hulas82 Рік тому +1

      No, it's less bad for you because of the fiber (fiber slows the absorption of the fructose so your liver doesn't get hit with it all at once, like with juice). It's still not good for you in doses over what is suggested in this video.

    • @we_are_all_the_same
      @we_are_all_the_same Рік тому +1

      People keep conflating high fructose corn syrup and fructose. Now modern fruit does have 30% sucralose and glucose and 70% fructose. So eating too much fruit isnt great cause it's gmo changed. However, these studies are on processed sugars, which are polysaccharides not monosaccharides. Sucralose and glucose fall in that category, not natural fructose.

    • @we_are_all_the_same
      @we_are_all_the_same Рік тому

      Natural fructose doesn't need insulin to get into the cell.

    • @jakobw135
      @jakobw135 Рік тому

      @@we_are_all_the_same I don't know where you get this notion that natural fruit contains anything other than the majority of not a hundred percent fructose the way it was originally designed.
      And also remember that even if your assessment of the different sugar is in the fruit is correct, the fibre in the flesh and the skin of the fruit mitigates the sugar spike.

  • @at2step
    @at2step Рік тому +2

    Great talk!

  • @BLACKSTONEPOET
    @BLACKSTONEPOET 11 місяців тому

    Great info!!!!

  • @andrerousselsapet5219
    @andrerousselsapet5219 Рік тому +1

    I say
    We are not even treating the sickness of disease
    We are only returning back to the diet

  • @stevenwebbjrhistory
    @stevenwebbjrhistory Рік тому +1

    Fruits have always been the main substance for chimpanzee s and great apes. They knew to move around to different locations to find ripe fruit.

  • @chitwatt2504
    @chitwatt2504 Рік тому +2

    There is no talk about palm oil, especially for frying

    • @sheila7814
      @sheila7814 Рік тому +1

      In his defense, I think it would be impossible to list everything. 😊

  • @AlexHop1
    @AlexHop1 Рік тому

    Thank you!

  • @sasidharanc7632
    @sasidharanc7632 Рік тому

    In which organal of the cell, most communicate with mitrochondria, is it the neucleic dna?

  • @jakobw135
    @jakobw135 Рік тому +2

    NOT lower carbohydrate levels, but, lower REFINED carbohydrates!

  • @andrerousselsapet5219
    @andrerousselsapet5219 Рік тому +2

    I have a question
    What about Macadamia nut oil ??
    ❤❤

    • @zivauri
      @zivauri Рік тому +2

      I looked it up... Macadamia is a fruit, and the oil has a higher smoke point than olive oil!

    • @eugeniebreida1583
      @eugeniebreida1583 Рік тому

      What is Omega 6-3 ratio??

    • @zivauri
      @zivauri Рік тому +1

      @@eugeniebreida1583 Despite varying conclusions in the literature, in general, the ideal n-6:n-3 fatty acid ratio is 4:1. This means that you should aim to eat 1 gram of omega-3s for every 4 grams of omega-6. [2,4,5] The Dietary Guidelines for Americans 2020-2025 recommends that adults consume 1.1-1.6 grams of omega-3s per day

    • @functionalformularies
      @functionalformularies  Рік тому

      It’s excellent for many reasons but the best attribute is that it is very stable and contains no polyunsaturated fat in significant quantities

  • @kencarey3477
    @kencarey3477 Рік тому +3

    I know a lot of fruiterians that have been thriving on fruit and greens for many years?

    • @vanessac1965
      @vanessac1965 Рік тому +3

      It means they have a certain biome that can behave like a ruminant and turn vegetation into protein, assuming they have not lost muscle mass. It is rare to have such a biome.

    • @kencarey3477
      @kencarey3477 Рік тому

      @vanessac1965 thank you

    • @we_are_all_the_same
      @we_are_all_the_same Рік тому +2

      They probably don't have MTHFR variations and their haplotype and proximity to the equator helps them metabolize carbs more.

    • @we_are_all_the_same
      @we_are_all_the_same Рік тому +3

      Their depletions will eventually come. Sarcopenia etc.

  • @stevenwebbjrhistory
    @stevenwebbjrhistory Рік тому +2

    How come vegans have a higher uric acid production? What has higher uric acid production beans, certain veggies, or fruits?

    • @ducvomanh2389
      @ducvomanh2389 Рік тому +1

      Black beans will be metabolised into purins when digesting in human body, this process results in higher uric acids in human body.

    • @stevenwebbjrhistory
      @stevenwebbjrhistory Рік тому +1

      @@ducvomanh2389 exactly not fruits

    • @we_are_all_the_same
      @we_are_all_the_same Рік тому

      They eat a lot of carbs, which feed fungi, mold, bad bacteria, etc that leave more uric acid behind.

    • @we_are_all_the_same
      @we_are_all_the_same Рік тому +2

      Like grains

    • @functionalformularies
      @functionalformularies  Рік тому

      When fructose is metabolized by the liver it must have phosphorus attached to it before being used for energy, this is called phosphorylation. That process creates uric acid as a byproduct and is the reason why diets high in fruit are associated with higher levels of uric acid

  • @mckinneetv2000
    @mckinneetv2000 11 місяців тому

    I’m taking a new formulation that supports your current mitochondria and also increases the mitochondria in cells. People are getting miracle -like results. 😀

  • @davidg.johnson7574
    @davidg.johnson7574 10 місяців тому

    Doesn't fiber along with water in certain fruits, lower the bioavaialability of fruitose in the body (a good thing). Example: watermelon.

  • @stevenwebbjrhistory
    @stevenwebbjrhistory Рік тому +1

    The greatest change is going to be to get all the excess bad fat off your body and get your BMI down before you do any of this other stuff. Good luck

  • @angelacsargo5993
    @angelacsargo5993 9 місяців тому

    In my opinion as a Nutritionist- taking into account blood types (Rh+\_) because blood type O’s may not thrive long term with being a vegan or vegetarian successfully. It’s really rare and function or their blood (the cells- mitochondrion’s) may function differently in regards to what may work for that individual.

    • @waffle_chair9269
      @waffle_chair9269 2 місяці тому

      Blood type sounds abit broad, I’d have thought genetics would be more specific.

  • @Bilge-Tekin
    @Bilge-Tekin 10 місяців тому

    May I ask the ID of the speaker pls?

  • @dinomiles7999
    @dinomiles7999 Рік тому +1

    Dr. Jack Kruse, Dr. Zack Bush.

  • @chrisbeerad8835
    @chrisbeerad8835 2 місяці тому

    missing so much. go back to school

  • @erichines1150
    @erichines1150 Рік тому +6

    Be forewarned: Not a high level mitochondria talk. Regular low carb stuff.

  • @jeffrey4577
    @jeffrey4577 Рік тому

  • @stevenwebbjrhistory
    @stevenwebbjrhistory Рік тому +2

    I think your argument is contradictory. Your saying the population is suffering from an energy deficiency yet your saying fructose is bad, without really distinguishing between fruit and high fructose corn syrup. Unfortunate.

    • @upner4169
      @upner4169 Рік тому

      Are you in the fruits business?

    • @stevenwebbjrhistory
      @stevenwebbjrhistory Рік тому +1

      @@upner4169 I'm a person thats tired of the conspiracy going around about fruit. And the ignorance.

  • @floydald
    @floydald Рік тому +6

    A meat based diet would be much better!

  • @wehz0r
    @wehz0r 10 місяців тому

    No other species on earth consumes oil, don't you think that's a bit strange??? Think about it, take your time and think REALLY hard.

  • @TerriblePerfection
    @TerriblePerfection Рік тому +97

    Plant-based diet?! No thanks. I'm surprised you can suggest that in 2023. 🥺

    • @GregMeadMaker
      @GregMeadMaker Рік тому +25

      Surprised? I thought many more people nowadays are aware of the benefits of a whole food plant-based diet. So, I guess that I am the surprised one.

    • @nootri
      @nootri Рік тому +14

      Thanks for the laugh Greg. Saying "benefits of whole foods" is like betting on the horse posing as a unicorn. There's no reason for that wholeness or horn to do any magic at all.

    • @atlet1
      @atlet1 Рік тому +15

      Plants contain many substaces we need to stay healty and many that are detrimatial for us. To eat animals that have chosen their food, like game or pastured cattle, give us those too. Industry meat don't. For us who are tolerant to plants, plant based are healthy.

    • @TerriblePerfection
      @TerriblePerfection Рік тому +32

      @@atlet1 In addition to the oxalates, plants have high levels of deuterium and glyphosate, which meat typically does not. Organic might be better, but I really don't know how anything I buy was grown. For me, animal-based makes the most sense.

    • @nootri
      @nootri Рік тому +12

      @@atlet1 please name one substance i need to stay healthy that comes from a plant. I'd also urge you to look beyond your current horizons.

  • @rustyschackleford5800
    @rustyschackleford5800 Рік тому

    Trehalose.

  • @dinomiles7999
    @dinomiles7999 Рік тому

    Bryan Johnson Blueprint, Ai will soon take the guess work out of it and all gurus and snake oil salesmen will soon be gone. See you in 2500. Don't die.

    • @we_are_all_the_same
      @we_are_all_the_same Рік тому

      No because A.I. is based off the medical industrial complex that censors Google which is based on A&P books, which are pill and surgery centric.

  • @ashtonreason3444
    @ashtonreason3444 Рік тому +2

    Just eat meat

  • @graememudie
    @graememudie Рік тому +1

    You had me up until you suggested plant based. Sorry but it just doesn’t work for me. Have cut out all plants and has changed my life for the better. Will never eat another plant.

  • @rawveganfoodforthought2333
    @rawveganfoodforthought2333 10 місяців тому

    I was going to give a thumbs up until you promoted a non-whole food supplement at the end of the video. So disappointing.

  • @davidhogg1216
    @davidhogg1216 Рік тому

    This guy has succumbed to seed oil hate. But there is zero negative evidence on seed oils

    • @gracewhite1601
      @gracewhite1601 Рік тому

      You are so wrong, seed oils and sugar combine are like little bombs going off in your body

    • @MsMousepusher
      @MsMousepusher 6 місяців тому

      Some very interesting videos by Dr Chris Knobbe on this. I found him quite convincing.

  • @Acode7940
    @Acode7940 Рік тому

    I wonder who your audience is. In spite of the glowing comments below, I thought your talk just wasted most of mey time since it constantly contains names of chemicals and biological reactions I am not the familiar with. I cann eat or refraind from eating words. Best wishes anyway.