I don't know what came over me..the tears just rolled down my face. Watching them all here and knowing that Richard, Rick and Levon are now gone..aww man. They were not just The Band..they were THE Band.
I just can't get enough of watching and listening to Rick Danko singing, especially this song, also Stage Freight, and my favorite "It makes no difference". I have like The Band since 1969, always liked Robbie, but recently have really singled out Rick, he is so soulful.
Yeah, my eyes and ears are always attend to Rick and Levon. Especially Rick, though. He is an icon of cool, but his voice has an aching vulnerability. What a combo.
Yes, especially when he sings "It makes no difference" and "Stage Freight", and of course "I shall be released" from Richard Manuels memorial. I don't know if you are male or female, I'm female, a few years younger than the guys in The Band, I always thought Robbie was very good looking when younger, still do. However, something speciall about Rick that makes him very sexy and attractive.@@teahorseguitarstraps1856
@@TheDailyDucks681 Richard, Levon and Rick all had great voices. When they were in The Band, Robbie Robertson often wrote a song with a particular singer in mind. Levon was great on Up on Cripple Creek and Dixie, and also the beginning of The Weight, and Rick was perfect for the Chester verse. RIchards voice was made for "The Shape I'm in",
Garth Hudson is a multi-instrumentalist who can play Piano, Organ, Accordion and Saxophone. It’s interesting because most or all of them could play multiple instruments but it says Garth is the only multi-instrumentalist if you search them up.
@@shaykatz5648 Yes they were and I liked Richard the most however I’m not sure how underrated rated he is (or if he is) since Levon would apparently say that he was their main singer and of course if you look at videos you can see how he always mentions Rich. I don’t know I just think that someone who died that long ago at that age wouldn’t be known by younger people unlike the Beatles who were famous everywhere. The Last Waltz Refrain with Robbie is a song I like since his voice and Robbie’s sound really good together.
This was way after their split and a few years before Richard lost his way permanently. Beautiful people Great singers and musicians. Loved them all including Robbie ❤
Has to be one of the best versions of this song. Rick Danko's voice is magical, as is Levon's. Perfect harmonies with lots of feeling. Nice to see Garth Hudson out front for a change. Thanks for posting.
Very talented, saw them in Winnipeg when they were doing the concerts cross country on a train. Wpg. Stadium. Janice Joplin among others played. I was 18 years old. I am now 70 and remember it like yesterday. Robbie Robertson was playing with them. Great band.
Have you seen the documentary from that cross Canada adventure? Festival Express is brilliant, there's tons of footage from the show you were at. Cheers.
I'm from edmonton and I'm not afraid to admit that I was listening to this stuff since I was just a young lady. I always liked music that is real and this shit dont get any more real. That train tour you mentioned was called the Summerland tour
I have Listen to the Band since the early 70s... I Love them all... Robby Robertson Rick Danko Leon Helm Richard Manuel And the Music Man Himself Garth Hudson...
A thing of beauty and also one of the one I can sing with the band!I'm a bassist and usually stick with backup.Thanks forever Rick Danko ,The Band,and Lefty Friizell.
The majority of today's popular music wont be remembered in 50-60 years, unlike The Band's mighty music! Their amazing sound will live on forever because it's SO good.
8/9/19. 28 years of age and I will fight anyone that says the band is not one of if not the best band to ever play. I love them so much, every Thanksgiving me and my 2 young daughters watch the last waltz.
All the members of The Band were multi-instrumentalists, three had phenomenal voices (ie. Levon, Rick and Richard) and how many bands that had five such talented guys in them could stay together so long and leave such a lasting legacy? I'd nominate The Band as the very best band ever, from their varied work they left us to their influence on so very many other top, popular superstar musicians and to 'nick a catch phrase.from Pacino "I've been around, ya' know".
Lefty Frizzel. An amazing artist and song writer. So cool that it’s still appreciated for the absolute classic piece if country writing it is. Lefty and the band are both immortal
Maybe they are doing that song together 'Upstairs'. God is a forgiving sort. I assume all return to the fold and decide for themselves, whether they can handle Earth again.
@@JCalboy201 Danny told me they would periodically find a recording of their song and the credits would be Public Domain....😂...another letter for the Lawyer to send out...😂
Love The Band, have sine 1969 when I first heard "Up on Cripple Creek. Love all of them, but especially Rick Danko, you are right his puts so much feeling into his songs. Not bad to look at either when he was younger. Also love Robbie, he wrote some amazing songs (not this one thought), he too is very handsome.
London Ontario and the brass rail, special to say the least, but London has become boring. and not many great singers are gonna start out in our little bars. but who knows, we got Justin Bieber from Stratford, oh God Help Me now, hehe.
Rick Danko was such an amazing musician and he seemed like such a nice person. To much talent and to little time on earth. The Band where it....what music is all about.
He was a sweet guy. And so funny, too. I saw him a couple of times. Once in a tiny club, and my friends and I managed to get 1st row seats. One of my friends was so drunk he kept laughing and calling out stuff, and Rick just smiled and laughed, and finally said, "That's my brother. I take him everywhere I go." And that voice. Kills me. Just like Carl Wilson's voice does.
Yes…this is my fave version. The Band was excellent in all their songs…which is why Bob Dylan had them as his back up band before they went out on their own!!
No words for this perfect performance and realizing it is Richard on drums is almost too much. 50 years of listening to popular music I can now recognize this for what it is
Just watched and recorded last waltz last night. They didn't do this song, unless it came they did it as an encore. Oh, Rick, we hardly knew ye! You had so much more to give!
martykate ; i own Last Waltz, and while some of it is breathtaking (oooo, the Staples on The Weight!) I was disappointed....seemed to be all about Robbie Robbie Robbie, much of The Band in the dark, Garth and Richard almost in witness protection. The Robertson-Scorcese bromance was so obvious I wanted to gag...and knowing Scorcese was so concerned with those d*mned chandeliers--moans he had to settle for two. Oh well, rock movies were a new thing.
Long Black Veil sounds like a very old and very traditional song of the Appalachians But the truth is that it was written in 1959 which means that it was only 24 years old when The Band did this great performance of it
I thought so too, the Band's version sounded so authentic, soaked in old Appalachian woodsmoke and whiskey, it had to be some long-forgotten mountain ballad. In fact, it was written in 1959 by Danny Dill and Marijohn Wilkin and originally recorded by Lefty Frizzell. However you describe it, the song is unforgettable. And nobody ever did it more memorably than the Band, with Rick Danko's lonesome vocal up front and center.
I think the Best version is by Levon Helm's Dirt Band - Larry Campbell, Teresa Williams, Levon and his daughter Amy. Another good version is by Paige Anderson and the Fearless Kin. (Both are on UA-cam)
I only saw the band once way back about '62 or so after they left Hawkins. It was at a nightclub called the Purple Onion a few miles northwest of Brampton Ont. Unfortunately a fight broke out just as we arrived, it got nasty and we left when it was apparent the band wasn't going on.
Thanks for posting, Matt. You know I always loved the Band - and Cripple Creek is my favorite. Introduced to me by Brian. Jim has my original album from Brian and played it for me recently. Smile......
Richard is playing drums on this video. This video must be fairly close in time to when Richard died. RIP Richard, Rick and Levon. Garth is playing accordion.
The most amazing thing about this song is that it sounds like it was written hundreds of years ago somewhere deep in the Appalachians Truth is that it was written in 1959 by Lefty Frizzell
too bad so many of the young people of today don't know of some of the best music---you have to know what came before--good place to start is with african drum music and proceed from there--listen to everybody--piaf---sinatra--robert johnson--dig it
I don't know what came over me..the tears just rolled down my face. Watching them all here and knowing that Richard, Rick and Levon are now gone..aww man. They were not just The Band..they were THE Band.
I feel the same way. Life is not same without them.
Time longer than rope and time will catch up pon you mon selah
Fully agree! THE “greatest Rockin Rock BAND of all-time👏🏼
AMEN TO THAT...
Some of the finest music you will ever hear...
Let me just say Garth Hudson one of the most amazing musicians of all time
There's a carnival inside of him.
I fully agree.😎🇺🇸
@@c.blakerockhart1128 And happy 86th birthday to him today!
@@chrisfriedrich6830 Thanks. I didn't know that.😎
I’m a keyboard player and he was MAGICAL !
I just can't get enough of watching and listening to Rick Danko singing, especially this song, also Stage Freight, and my favorite "It makes no difference". I have like The Band since 1969, always liked Robbie, but recently have really singled out Rick, he is so soulful.
I agree. He and Richard both bring out some great soulful sounds. This whole group amazes me.
Yeah, my eyes and ears are always attend to Rick and Levon. Especially Rick, though. He is an icon of cool, but his voice has an aching vulnerability. What a combo.
Yes, especially when he sings "It makes no difference" and "Stage Freight", and of course "I shall be released" from Richard Manuels memorial. I don't know if you are male or female, I'm female, a few years younger than the guys in The Band, I always thought Robbie was very good looking when younger, still do. However, something speciall about Rick that makes him very sexy and attractive.@@teahorseguitarstraps1856
I remember i wanted to pick someone besides Levon and it was Richard because of his Falsetto
@@TheDailyDucks681 Richard, Levon and Rick all had great voices. When they were in The Band, Robbie Robertson often wrote a song with a particular singer in mind. Levon was great on Up on Cripple Creek and Dixie, and also the beginning of The Weight, and Rick was perfect for the Chester verse. RIchards voice was made for "The Shape I'm in",
Bury me to this. And dig me up so I can listen to it again
ALL sadly missed, I never tire of hearing THE BAND
I cant get enough of the band 70 years young
Levon moves from drums to mandolin, Rick moves from bass to acoustic guitar, Richard moves from piano to drums. Need I say more? Incredible talent!
Garth Hudson is a multi-instrumentalist who can play Piano, Organ, Accordion and Saxophone. It’s interesting because most or all of them could play multiple instruments but it says Garth is the only multi-instrumentalist if you search them up.
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Thanks for mentioning Garth as I was going too.❤
@@shaykatz5648 You’re welcome I always focus on the underrated members of bands for some reason.
@@TheDailyDucks681
They were all so talented.
@@shaykatz5648 Yes they were and I liked Richard the most however I’m not sure how underrated rated he is (or if he is) since Levon would apparently say that he was their main singer and of course if you look at videos you can see how he always mentions Rich. I don’t know I just think that someone who died that long ago at that age wouldn’t be known by younger people unlike the Beatles who were famous everywhere. The Last Waltz Refrain with Robbie is a song I like since his voice and Robbie’s sound really good together.
This was way after their split and a few years before Richard lost his way permanently. Beautiful people
Great singers and musicians. Loved them all including Robbie ❤
N I C E ❤ What a great group of talent never again will this happen ✌️
still missing you
rick ✿♡
the band
a perfect moment in music history ~
When I visit Rick and Levon's graves up in Woodstock Cemetery as the cold winds moan, I'll have this song in my heart... RIP, boys.
I've been there too, my best friend lives up in the mountains 3 miles from cemetery.
Amen brother! They were the heart and soul of the band.
@@paulettesauska8091 yes that
Play it for them while you are there!
It should have been the Artist's Cemetery but it was full. They are all missed, greviously.
I never get tired of the song . The balance is perfect.
Doesn’t feel like 50 years since I first heard this.
When I listened to this on a turntable not a iPhone ..
I miss my turntable!
My Old Buddy Rick... Rest in Peace Buddy... He loved my Homegrown...
Has to be one of the best versions of this song. Rick Danko's voice is magical, as is Levon's. Perfect harmonies with lots of feeling. Nice to see Garth Hudson out front for a change. Thanks for posting.
Best version is with Levon's Dirt band - Larry Campbell, Teresa Williams, Amy helm & Levon.
I love Long Black Veil, thank you The Band, and Rick Danko ❣️❣️👏Bravo❤️👏✨🥰
Very talented, saw them in Winnipeg when they were doing the concerts cross country on a train. Wpg. Stadium. Janice Joplin among others played. I was 18 years old. I am now 70 and remember it like yesterday. Robbie Robertson was playing with them. Great band.
Have you seen the documentary from that cross Canada adventure? Festival Express is brilliant, there's tons of footage from the show you were at. Cheers.
I'm from edmonton and I'm not afraid to admit that I was listening to this stuff since I was just a young lady. I always liked music that is real and this shit dont get any more real. That train tour you mentioned was called the Summerland tour
Loved it. Still do and I'm 70.
Rick Danko was SO HIGH...
I MISS THEM ALL...
GOD BLESS EVERYONE OF THEM...
It's really nice getting replys on the Band...
I feel all alone in the World today's...
Very few know the Souls of Yesterdays
GOD BLESS you all...
Danko, Helm and Manuel all the same band...what a blessing.
time passes and these guys in this song are now all younger than I am!!
I have Listen to the Band since the early 70s...
I Love them all...
Robby Robertson
Rick Danko
Leon Helm
Richard Manuel
And the Music Man Himself
Garth Hudson...
I love them all, but Rick and Robbie a little more.
A thing of beauty and also one of the one I can sing with the band!I'm a bassist and usually stick with backup.Thanks forever Rick Danko ,The Band,and Lefty Friizell.
This is real music kids. No auto tune or backing tracs.makes me realize just how bad the music is now.
Okay Boomer.
Your not wrong.
The majority of today's popular music wont be remembered in 50-60 years, unlike The Band's mighty music! Their amazing sound will live on forever because it's SO good.
Amen and God bless them all
For one brief moment... musical perfection
One of the most amazing bands to ever exist.
I love this song and I love the band, what more is there to be said.
8/9/19. 28 years of age and I will fight anyone that says the band is not one of if not the best band to ever play. I love them so much, every Thanksgiving me and my 2 young daughters watch the last waltz.
You are wise beyond your years! Your kids are lucky to have you show them music like this.
Best version by the best band, hands down.
Crying for what i didn’t appreciate and for so much talent gone so pure
they always had a rithymn that ROLLS, harmony and multi instrument capabilities like few others...certainly left a legacy, a bar to be reached for
The best version.
Still rather John Anderson's version
Mick Jagger with The Chieftains also did a great job.
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Yeah mick killed it but Rick did a great job too
Wow this is the best rendition I've ever heard ❤❤❤
Thank you for that squeeze box magic & Ricks voice. It does make a difference.
All the members of The Band were multi-instrumentalists, three had phenomenal voices (ie. Levon, Rick and Richard) and how many bands that had five such talented guys in them could stay together so long and leave such a lasting legacy? I'd nominate The Band as the very best band ever, from their varied work they left us to their influence on so very many other top, popular superstar musicians and to 'nick a catch phrase.from Pacino "I've been around, ya' know".
well said Au60schild
no argument from me. that's what i call a 'nail on the head' comment. miss these guys
Au60schild
THE BAND TALKING TO MYSELF
They'd definately get my vote. Best band ever, and includes the Beatles.
the truth
Lefty Frizzel. An amazing artist and song writer. So cool that it’s still appreciated for the absolute classic piece if country writing it is. Lefty and the band are both immortal
Maybe they are doing that song together 'Upstairs'. God is a forgiving sort. I assume all return to the fold and decide for themselves, whether they can handle Earth again.
Lefty was great. The song though was written by Danny Dill and Marijohn Wilkin.
@@JCalboy201 Danny told me they would periodically find a recording of their song and the credits would be Public Domain....😂...another letter for the Lawyer to send out...😂
My favorite 3 members of The Band: Levon, Rick & Garth. I just love this song & had never heard it until early this year.
I could listen to Levon, Rick and Richard all day, gives me goosebumps. R.I.P.
Great music ;;🎵👍💥
what a singer fantastic rick
Rick can spin a yard.....his voice is so soulful
Love The Band, have sine 1969 when I first heard "Up on Cripple Creek. Love all of them, but especially Rick Danko, you are right his puts so much feeling into his songs. Not bad to look at either when he was younger. Also love Robbie, he wrote some amazing songs (not this one thought), he too is very handsome.
Best band line up ever !! The band are proof of what can happen when people pull for a common cause...and what happens if just one man is a traitor
He was never a traitor he ran out of places to go with The Band
Nothing can beat this hearing it played live with Johnny hollabaugh his band in London Arkansas
great rendition.....love seeing Levon playing Mandolin,,,usually see him on drums!
My god I miss these guys met Rick numerous times..a gentleman and class act...best voice in music....
Never met -- but ALWAYS enjoyed their music!
Melissa Ralston Jones Lucky you...wish I had had the privilege of meeting Rick Danko.
I play this song on guitar and sing it all the time. Never heard this before, i love how its more up beat. Beautiful.
levon and Rick played at little bars in my lovely little Canadian town in Ontario, we grew up with Rick, he was a good kid and a great music man.
That must have been special
London Ontario and the brass rail, special to say the least, but London has become boring.
and not many great singers are gonna start out in our little bars. but who knows, we got Justin Bieber from Stratford, oh God Help Me now, hehe.
Eileen F We had Richard Manuel from Stratford, how times have changed :(
Eileen F Robbie said he never heard Rick miss a note, ever.
What a beautiful version of this awesome song! Thank's DylanPresley for sharing💯🎶
Rick Danko was such an amazing musician and he seemed like such a nice person. To much talent and to little time on earth. The Band where it....what music is all about.
amen brother
He was a sweet guy. And so funny, too. I saw him a couple of times. Once in a tiny club, and my friends and I managed to get 1st row seats. One of my friends was so drunk he kept laughing and calling out stuff, and Rick just smiled and laughed, and finally said, "That's my brother. I take him everywhere I go." And that voice. Kills me. Just like Carl Wilson's voice does.
Billy Dub Easy on the eye, too.
@@Caperhere might take a woman to appreciate that lol
He is a nice person… I met him one night in Philadelphia when I helped him up after he fell into a snowball… nice guy
Yes…this is my fave version. The Band was excellent in all their songs…which is why Bob Dylan had them as his back up band before they went out on their own!!
Really? More than Lefty Frizzell? Huh.
@@jpolson43 I certainly prefer Lefty's version. The Band has great harmonies, but there's a haunting quality to Lefty's version that is unmatched.
I like Hank 3's version too.
Mick Jagger with the Chieftains has a nice version too!
Great version of a great song. Just love Danko. A❤️
The Band - The Best!
This is truly the best version of this song ever!!!!
check out the Anderson Family Bluegrass Band.I think their version is the best and maybe you will too.
Louie Enos the chieftains and mick jagger.
No it isn't- Paige Anderson & The Fearless Kin blow these fakers far far away. BLLLLPPP!
I concur.
this was the best version n I will debate with anyone on this.
Very good! Always loved The Band.
WOW!! These guys are incredible!! Please don't EVER remove this video. Thank you for this!!
questa musica è il collegamento tra i terrestri e il paradiso ..... meravigliosa
Thanks for putting this up....love the song
17 years sense this amazing person with a voice to match was silent. RIP rick miss you.
Since
It breaks my heart that only two of these superb musicians are still alive. Godspeed and good journey Levon, Rick, and Richard.
Excellent share! Great work! Thanks so much ❤️💕💕
goosebumps......such beauty here!!!!!!
Wow ,I recently heard lefty Frizzell 's original version and checked out a lot of covers, including Hank III ,But these brought a tear to my eye !
No words for this perfect performance and realizing it is Richard on drums is almost too much. 50 years of listening to popular music I can now recognize this for what it is
All very talented. Saw them play in
Well done
"The scaffold was high & eternity was near". Great song, it never gets old. Thank You!
Just watched and recorded last waltz last night. They didn't do this song, unless it came they did it as an encore. Oh, Rick, we hardly knew ye! You had so much more to give!
The entire uncut Last Waltz footage (in black and white, no fixes/overdubs) is available on UA-cam. Cheers!
martykate ; i own Last Waltz, and while some of it is breathtaking (oooo, the Staples on The Weight!) I was disappointed....seemed to be all about Robbie Robbie Robbie, much of The Band in the dark, Garth and Richard almost in witness protection. The Robertson-Scorcese bromance was so obvious I wanted to gag...and knowing Scorcese was so concerned with those d*mned chandeliers--moans he had to settle for two. Oh well, rock movies were a new thing.
Greatest band Ever
rip robbie u will be missed greatlty,u playing the harrpsicord was always epic
Love Rick....... and Levon, Garth, Richard, Robbie ~ what a band!! :D
this guys voice just makes me cry. in a good way. . .
Gath Hudson and I went to the same high school! Dear ol' Medway High!
Man I never knew they did that!! So awesome! I miss Levon and Rick. Johnny Cash and Lefty probably approved!!
Long Black Veil sounds like a very old and very traditional song of the Appalachians But the truth is that it was written in 1959 which means that it was only 24 years old when The Band did this great performance of it
I thought so too, the Band's version sounded so authentic, soaked in old Appalachian woodsmoke and whiskey, it had to be some long-forgotten mountain ballad. In fact, it was written in 1959 by Danny Dill and Marijohn Wilkin and originally recorded by Lefty Frizzell. However you describe it, the song is unforgettable. And nobody ever did it more memorably than the Band, with Rick Danko's lonesome vocal up front and center.
This song tells a story, which reminds me of the songs of Johnny Cash and Marty Robbins.
Johnny Cash covered it too
Ralph Stanley did too.
Long Black Veil was on Music from Big Pink I'm thinking 1968 when I heard it
Best version ever!
I think the Best version is by Levon Helm's Dirt Band - Larry Campbell, Teresa Williams, Levon and his daughter Amy. Another good version is by Paige Anderson and the Fearless Kin. (Both are on UA-cam)
Pure Gold
Beautiful performance! Rick, fabulous job!!
Dave Matthews does an excellent version of this live. Such amazing music. The Band forever!!!
FANTASTIC!!!!
Love the little "Danko Dance" that Rick does at the end of his songs
Came to this after hearing the Allman brothers cover it. Both are exceptional.
Listen to Joan Baez's version! It's enchanting
Everybody knows this is awesome !
I only saw the band once way back about '62 or so after they left Hawkins. It was at a nightclub called the Purple Onion a few miles northwest of Brampton Ont. Unfortunately a fight broke out just as we arrived, it got nasty and we left when it was apparent the band wasn't going on.
Grew up with em at the Rock club and throughout our lives knew the. Well!,BB
I have always loved the way Rick Danko sings this song. This song appeared on "Music From Big Pink." Garth plays a mean accordion on this tune.👍
Does Garth ever, he's killin it.
@@thomasborger6548 : Great to hear from someone who appreciates excellent music.✌
@@josephlemko3027 this has long been a favorite tune of mine and this particular performance does it for me.
@@thomasborger6548 : I know exactly how you feel. Great to hear from someone who appreciates fine music.✌ Stay healthy!
@@josephlemko3027 thank you sir, the same to you!
Thanks for posting, Matt. You know I always loved the Band - and Cripple Creek is my favorite. Introduced to me by Brian. Jim has my original album from Brian and played it for me recently. Smile......
Brings a tear watching Levon, Rick and RIchard play on this video.
Richard is playing drums on this video. This video must be fairly close in time to when Richard died. RIP Richard, Rick and Levon. Garth is playing accordion.
sure does
Here, take some tissue papers left after I used some up.
Beth Chaja- Richard, Levon & Rick are gone. I think that’s what mrbobevans meant. Richard is drumming here.
I saw them at this period in London Ont. at Alumni Hall, and there were a lot of their old friends there, and more than a couple tears.
Multi talented musicians! Truly one of a kind! Only Garth remains but they will all live on thanks to modern technology!
Levon, Rick, and Richard all great lead singers in the same band!
So beautiful--so effortless. They were just the best.
A tardy comment but weren't they just? Really miss them amid all the latter day bland rubbish.
Thank you!
how can you not have a mad hudson valley ny crush on these guys!
My favorite version of this classic. /:-)
Right on!
I born in the 84 and I love this song
Vancouver bc,1983!!!
Magic! I dream and hear this song.
I love watching Richard drum. Never seen someone put more of their entire body into playing
It's so distinctive. I just recognised him from his back.
this harkens back to and from irish scotch music brought here and married to southern black melody brought from africa.
The most amazing thing about this song is that it sounds like it was written hundreds of years ago somewhere deep in the Appalachians
Truth is that it was written in 1959 by Lefty Frizzell
Writers are Marijohn Wilkin Danny Dill. Lefty had the original recording of about 100 artists
Party on Garth! Love you! His keyboards were the real voice of The Band.
too bad so many of the young people of today don't know of some of the best music---you have to know what came before--good place to start is with african drum music and proceed from there--listen to everybody--piaf---sinatra--robert johnson--dig it
Good advice, good suggestions. I can dig it, and do, and more.....
What really sucks is now WE sound like our parents
You left out Bo Donaldson and the Heywoods!
Not that I disagree, but I'm pretty happy starting with The Band and just staying here..lol
The haunting music is perfect , a bit whimsical & so furlong .
probably my favorite song of all time. the guy playing accordion kicks about 20 different kinds of ass too
The guy playing the accordion is Garth Hudson
Rick was still well then so tragic what he became and how he was lost, Richard too.