I remember spending like 3 hours with my friend thinking up a hypothetical Megami Tensei fighting game with characters from Persona and SMT and it's various spin offs with the schlockiest story ever and like 40 characters and it pains me everyday that it isn't real
You didn't mention Serph as a character concept, so I'll put forth some of my ideas. 1) Given how intrinsically tied the two characters are in the DDS duology, I'd imagine Serph and Sera to be echo fighters of each other i.e. essentially identical in how they play, but with some property and animation differences. Ardha could be a Super/Finisher. 2) Hunt Skills could be adapted for a unique gimmick. For example, it could function as a souped-up block that then fuels a unique "Atma Gauge"for more powerful and faster attacks. Alternatively, if Serph/Sera hits a sweet-spot attack, then the opponent turns blue for a set window of time, during which the next non-ranged attack to them will do significantly more damage. 3) Another thing from the DDS games you could incorporate is the switching form from Human to Atma Avatar; Human form uses firearms and is more mobile, while Atma Avatar form is more powerful and has more variety, but is slower. 4) As for stages, Muladhara would be a fine choice; could also have the rest of Team Embryon hanging out in the background. Sahasrara could work too. 5) Other characters from DDS could perhaps be playable also; I can envision Gale having a particularly unique style from the rest of the roster, and his catchphrase of "I do not comprehend" is an easy include for a taunt.
I always imagine the following archetypes for these characters (all characters do summon demons for their moveset) Nahobino- all rounder Flynn- The character with a powerful neutral with the smirk mechanic, he fishes for it with his strong buttons. Nanashi - Mixup character who uses his friends to pressure you instead of summoning demons Demi Fiend- Bully character that shits on you if you make one mistake (kind of like actual nocturne) Space Marine - Zoner that has a several follow up attack if their demon hits the enemy, kind of like Baiken's parry (supposed to reflect coop attack)
Let me expand with some ideas of mine and other comments for a full list ;) Serph: Devour command grab to steal life and bars. Unlock Berserker moves after a successful grab. Demon Mode as a super move Persona 1: they have a weapon and a gun, so... Persona 2: different weapons, and the first game with Fusion Spells... Persona 5: they NEED Baton Pass tag assists! (You can hint OTPs with those... XD ) Strikers: Sophi & Zenkichi tag fighter character!
My idea for Serph is to make him like Nagoriyuki, where he's got big buttons but his specials cause his hunger meter to increase. If he lands his command grab (call it Feast since that's the strongest Devour type skill if I recall correctly) the hunger meter decreases, but if it fills up, he goes into his Berserk mode, where he deals more damage but can die in like two hits.
Alternatively, it could work like Xrd Sin where it's a food bar that decreases, and you get locked into a long animation if it runs out, but you can refill it with the command grab.
I think it'd be pretty easy to differentiate the protagonists of the mainline games in regards to playstyle since Atlus already kinda did that with the Diamond Realm DLC. SMT 1 Hero is Phys/Sword skills, Aleph got gun skills, Demi-fiend has all his unique skills and no weapon and Flynn got a magic build. That alone provides a pretty unique blue print for those guys, Nanashi and Nahobino would have to be made from scratch though.
Only Nanashi, really. I generally consider "canon Nahobino" to just be all the Aogami essences, cuz those have all his actual unique skills. Having a bunch of unique skills really does help.
I think theyd lean away from Diamond Realm Demi-Fiend's kit since he had to be a mage by design (Hero and Aleph literally cant learn spells in their games), more accurately hed be manually decking people and sending them tk the Hell Dimension with Freikugels and Gaea Rages, like how he fights in DDS and V
Honestly if space marine didn’t have demone-Ho, I feel his assist (to kinda lend to that representing different endings) being Angel zelenin or fused jiminez could be cool
Honestly as a follow-up to that I just considered, maybe have that lean into different aspects of what you were suggesting for his kit, where Angel zelenin focuses on the trapping aspect of his character where she like, binds and pacifies the enemy with her song long enough to line up a combo or super. Then fused Jimenez could lean into what you were talking about with like, him being able to go from zoning into teleporting in with a phase shift type super, where jiminez could be an add onto the combo with a big burst of fire magic or some savage swiping claw attacks. Honestly space marine could be fun in a game like this lol that’s a brain worm for me
I think Serph could make for a really sick grappler. Needs to get in close to eat you. Have him balancing a hunger meter; the longer he goes without grabbing/biting you, the closer it gets to empty. It'd be kinda like Nago in Strive where the closer to berserk he gets, the bigger and harder hitting, but slower and more punishable his moves would become. Serph could have Sera or Gale as his assist, with Sera singing the song which resets Serph's gauge even in the middle of combos, letting him either panic reset the bar, or go from big attacks with huge hitstun and shift into a bunch of smaller, faster hits to combo. Gale could use Pyripgelethon, bombing the screen like Faust meteor, locking the opponent down so Serph can get in quick. Where Chiaki would be more like Pot or Gief, Serph would feel more like Manon or Nago, much more based on footsies and more mobile than Chiaki. As for a stage to come with Serph, obviously the sun would sick af, but if we were to go as spoiler free as we can, maybe it'd be the Embryon base, or Coordinate 136. We could see the other Embryon in the bg like smash dlc stages. Also, the funniest character would be Stephen, but making him like Phoenix in MvC, where if he gets full meter before dying, he revives, and stands up out of his wheelchair. Stephen goes from bottom 3 to top 1 instantly.
A stage that I'd love to see is Babel from Catherine. I imagine the background to be a labirynth of cubes with Vincent climbing them, with some of the sheep people falling down.
Another great stage would be the area where the Bethel meeting takes place in SMT V and it would be like the bridge stage in mk9 where Odin and Zeus are fighting in the background
That bit with the SH1 protag being the "demon ally" to Nemissa is something I can totally see the hypothetical devs doing if they decide to go all in on the wordplay and attention to detail, since Megami Tensei technically has its own unique term for demon allies, at least in the Japanese text: They use "nakama" (companion, partner, ally, etc.; sometimes used to refer to RPG party members), except the "ma" is written with the kanji used in "akuma" (demon). While the rest of the assist characters would be nakamas as established in MegaTen lexicon, the SH1 protag would instead be a nakama in the traditional sense.
I feel like for SMT if, instead of using a protag, you could use Hazama and his demon partner would be his giant Demon Emperor form. Kind of like how Labrys' Persona is in P4A, but with Hazama having the SMT 1 Hero style of combat (but way weaker). Basically he'd be a stand character focusing on his demon partner instead of dealing damage himself.
If a smt fighting game does come out im maining either Nahobino or Abel/king of bel. I personally imagine Abel's gimmick bring akin to Naoto's insta death mechanic from arena but instead using the death countdown from Survivor. I also imagine demons playing a but bigger of a part in his overall kit since he's well, the king of bel and controller of all demons.
Abel would definitely be a summoner type character. Maybe he could have a Kingdom of Saints variation and a King of Demons variation that gives him different demons, if Hibiki from DeSu2 isn't a summoner too
@@kakugowaii5854 something like pokemon trainer but if pokemon trainer was more of a puppet character. Something akon to ken and koromaru, definitely a heavy zoner who doesn't really have physical attacks, a nice balance from the more phys heavy characters like demifiend, Raidou, smt 1 guy, etc.
I feel like if they made Alice into a fighter, it would be a crime to not pay homage to Amerian Mcgee's Alice. Have her use the Vorpal blade to slash enemies, then stab them for longer hit stun. She could also use Die for Me as her Ultimate or whatever
Serph and Varna as a Stance fighter would make sense. His base stance has him do weak basic punches, kicks and gun-shots, as well as him having a lot of mobility. He can transform into Varna to extend his range, at the cost of a reduction in mobility, and it drains this "Atma Meter" (think of it as an SP gauge that drains over time). Sera and Varnani could easily work as an eco fighter.
Maybe the story could have Lucifer declare war on YHVH, and the entire thing could be Light vs Darkness (or Law vs Chaos). The alignments would be interesting to analyse (my immediate comparison would be the Light vs Night angle that Castlevania Judgement), but I know for a fact that Demi-Fiend would be Chaos, because it would be based on TDE in Nocturne. The story mode would be character specific, and then the final fight would be against Lucifer or YHVH depending on the route.
I had a funny idea for a Mothman since were talking individual demons as fighters in this hypothetical game, and Mothman is iconic. Mothman has a few sunny things throughout the games like being the ailment man, having zio skills, and learning Spirit Drain throughout multiple games, I had an idea of working in ailments in his kit. He'd be a zoner and have Poison Breath to poison enemies and then he has to zone with projectiles like the zio skills in order to keep the poison status (If you've played the fighting game Fantasy Strike, it's somewhat similar to Argagarg's poison fish projectile). Once the enemy comes up close, he gets the opponent in bind with Shibaboo for a few seconds where he can either just do a combo and launch them into zoning range, or use Spirit Drain to knock down the enemy (it also drains Super Meter, assuming this game has it, because it would be funny) and then set up Poison Breath okizeme. He also gets some other fun stuff like a teleport (you could call it Trafuri or something), his zio skills also get shock, or a move that increase duration of the statuses. Idk what his supers would be, probably his Sabbath Skill or his Magatsuhi Skill from SMTV or Megido. He could also fly too because he wings.
Some other ideas for characters that I think would be cool: A dual Nakajima and Yumiko, potentially being a stance character or just both being on the field at the same time. Tamaki from if... with a mechanic like what you suggested for Aleph, where she changes up her playstyle if she loses a round. I think the demon loyalty mechanic you guys jokingly mentioned for the SH protag would make for a fun concept for Kyoji. A group of Jack Frost-likes similar to Synchronicity Prologue. Of course, I don't see ATLUS making another crossover spinoff without Persona, so some characters they could add/that I would probably expect them to add from each game: Persona 1: Earring, Mark, Maki Persona 2: Tatsuya, Maya, Yukino, Katsuya Persona 3: Makoto, Akihiko, Aigis, Yukari Persona 4: Narukami, Teddie, Chie, Naoto Persona 5: Joker, Morgana, Makoto, Sumi, Akechi If we wanna get into some real crack territory: One, or both, of the DemiKids GBA protags Anything from Last Bible or Majin Tensei The TMS FE protag with assists of various Fire Emblem characters The Dx2 protag with assists of Bayonetta, Guts, and Sonic A Durarara character
I feel like there should be a few final boss options depending on how well you do in single-player mode, like in CvS2 something like: 1. Nyarlathotep 2. Lucifer 3. YHVH 4. Full power Stephen
I think Abel should be focusing on multi-hitting Dance attacks like Fire Dance is his grounded combo extender, Wind Dance is an antiair and Holy Dance is his super. I imagine rhythm then being kinda his thing.
If you are having hard time in what the Main SMT Protagonist moveset just remember the moveset they have in SMT 4 A dlc Diamond realm to envision it better
Personally, i think it should be a 1v1 fighting game, with Demon assists. You choose up to 3 demons for a your character to use and that demon has skill they use, be it support, phys, fire, elec, almighty, etc. And the demons the characters pull from are the entire demon roster (after you beat story mode) But to limit the amount of demons in case for balance, characters will have access to certain amount of demons from the demon pool. Meaning SMT 1 MC, can have Cerberus, Eligor, and Kushinada in his set pull, but he can have access to all demons if the assists are set to "all demons" instead of "certain demons".
I feel like having Abel be the move thief character would make the most sense, bc of Skill Crack, but having them use elemental dance skills for like, projectile carrying combos in their base kit would be cool. Would be sick for them to have a win animation where their own death clock updates from 0. As far as stance based characters go, gotta rep DDS with Serph- transforming to confirm off of bullet hits or landmine traps with rushing sword attacks sounds sick as hell, and I'm imagining being able to finish a combo with a fadeaway transformation into human form and buy a little time to set up would make for a nice Faust-esque gameplan, where you play safe at range until you set up your wincon then corner your opponent with surprisingly scary pressure. As far as playable and iconic demons go, recency would probably get someone like Amanozako or Fionn McCumhaill, but one of the Fiends could be a good rep- my money's on Matador. For stages, having some that shout out other iconic FG stages would be fun. I was thinking the first sector from Strange Journey to spoof the one ice stage from CVS2, with the Red Sprite rocking up instead of the boat, opening up with Demonica clad troops marching out instead of shooting out the flags. Having a fairy village parallel Taokaka's village from Blazblue could be good too, with Jacks getting up to shenanigans in the background. Maybe have certain Jacks show up to cheer on certain characters too, like the Frost Five or Demonee-ho.
I could imagine an SMT game in where you pvp other players and their demons using the press turn system. Similar to how Pokémon showdown works. Equip 8 skills to you and your demons and pray the opponent dosen't read your weaknesses.
I got ideas for how we could have the Persona protags show up and then some: All main male protags plus Adatchi, Aketchi... and Narolepotep. Let me explain: - Yu and Joker are close to how they play already: Yu is rounded, Joker is rushdown from hell. Makoto aka Door kun would be the zoner. All persona protags call their party menbers. So well we got Sees and IG down but ideas like Haru getting her persona in possition to reign a bunch of bullets that Joker can combo from. Also Akihito has the "million fucking punches" thing so Makoto could charge up a big ass lazer to combo from. P4 is just the BBTAG stuff lol. They can also evole their personas mid match and gain different properties and instakills. Normally it's a all out attack with who you have (yep, we will have lines pop up from other party menbers for memes) and then a solo instakill with the install active (ie Yu's base instakill, sin bullet, and turning someone into a door or some shit) - No clue for earring kun lol besides well rounder but with gun. Also final form persona the whole time - Tatsuya would be a rekka fighter who has some heavy hitting moves but needs to charge them. You can mix IS and EP menbers but the one you pick first choses the instant kill. He has Apollo the whole time. - Adatchi just needs weird ass assits - Aketchi is the evil version so wild rushdown. He can use the same assits as joker and they can use eachother as assits too... but you can also pick the Loki from the original Megami Tensei manga as well. - Narly has Lusifer as a assit and is a hybrid of JP from Street Fighter and Zato from Guilty Gear, with him bringing out shadows to fight for him, as a puppet zoner. His intstant kill shows him destroying the universe and then laughing while Aleph and Phimon appear behind him to beat him up. Thoughts?
when I first saw this I instantly thought of the protag of SMT Devil Survivor with Bel assists and the ability to teleport and stun based off racial skills you can get
I was also thinking saiduq/anguished one would be an awesome character (biased since the devil survivor games are my favorites out of the ones I played and he’s like my 2nd favorite character from them probably) but I was imagining him being less like Bedman and more like some sort of horrid amalgamation of Jack-o, zato and I guess neko arc where he basically has the little flesh baby minions the septentriones throughout the game make that he summons through specials and they can either be set to work automatically or by command and they can do the different attacks those do in the game (fire beams, do the poison thing, just multiply upon being hit to obstruct attacks and be annoying etc) and you can just annoy your opponent with your minions. I also imagine he’d have 2 specials where he transforms into his red crystal thing form, in both he can move around a bit but in one he can take damage but reflects projectiles and in the other he doesn’t reflect anything but is invincible and can dodge or move behind the opponent (again sort of like zato’s vanish move I forget the name of) and there’s no visual indication as to which is being used so only you can tell which one and not your opponent. This idea would probably suck to both play as and against but idk it seems interesting and I just imagined him being more like that than bedman even if I could also see him potentially playing like bedman Another idea I’m surprised no one said was one of the people who work the cathedral of shadows; they’d have some sort of macca meter where they can just summon demons to fight for them and if your opponent also has demons in some form you have a special you can use macca to save your opponents demons and then allow them to be summoned into your own move set. They could also have a thing where you can use meter to fuse 2 of your demons currently on screen into something new which would then have new spells to make them do (though of course you couldn’t add too many different possible demons as to not make the game take an extra 5 years purely to create this character). This sounds like an interesting idea to me even if it’s also very “gimmicky” and idk I thought one of you would’ve suggested something similar as I didn’t see a lot of talk about the characters themselves summoning demons which I imagine a lot of characters would
The idea that I’ve had for Flynn would be for him to be an install character (like GG Sol) where normally he plays with his regular katana in a samurai style (like some samsho type stuff), but when he gets his install he transforms into Vishnu-Flynn and he gets his abilities and laser swords. I think it’d be really cool, maybe he could even have as ally demons either Jonathan or Walter (and their transformed versions). Honestly, a lot of characters could work as install characters.
I feel like a big opportunity was missed for you guys to envision Demons like you have an inventory specific for each fighter and then those demons act as assists and all of them you can choose how to fuse between rounds to make them more powerful the next round and change the assist.
When you brought up Demi-Fiend, I was really hoping you'd say he'd have Matador. That's always the first Demon I connect him to due to the boss fight, so I felt like him getting Matador over Pixie would be a strong contender. Also, Jack Bros rep of Jack Frost, Pyro Jack, and Jack Ripper trio as a fighter would have been a deep but well chosen cut. Also, Mothman needs t be somewhere in this game. I'm not sure how, but Mothman is great.
It'd be cool if Simon and the axiom was the arcade final boss and he was just a complete zoner like not even a fun fight just covering the screen in hotboxes and teleporting to the entire other side of the screen anytime you closed any distance
Jonathan would be a stance switcher where sort of like Shulk’s Manado skills in Smash, he could use a special to switch between the 4 archangels and demon ally moves, move properties, and base effects (Raphael = -Atk, +Def, Michael = extra range but slower, Gabriel = +Speed, -Def/Atk, Uriel = +Atk/-Def) and to go crazier, he’d have a super that would change depending on which angel he had equipped. And Jonathan’s “instant kill” could be Hexagram after fusing with all 4 angels.
I like the idea that each fighter can pick from 3 unique assist characters each that have 3 bbtag style assist specials, where there's 3 moves each, forward back and neutral, and on the select screen they are displayed as alignments. So like Nahobino's 3 alignments would have you pick Abdiel for Order, Hayataro for Chaos or Amanozako for neutral. I like the idea of Abdiel especially where her focus is giving you combo extentions and each round she gets a little more insane and transforms again so like round 1 is base gold angel doing a simple big sword swings as combo extenders/enders, then round 2 gets the black and red form with the big bat wings and horns where her assist now adds something like a launcher to the back assist or a wall bounce on forward assist so instead of it just knocking them back to full screen they get wall bounced and you can keep the combo going, and then if you get to round 3 she hulks out in the big centaur bull demon whatever form and has all that stuff and her neutral assist becomes a big OTG stomp, so after you extend the combo from the wall bounce with the first bar of assist meter, and they land about mid screen, you can spend the second bar of assist meter to do a big ground stop to pop them back up again to extend the combo a few hits even further. I'm going by the premise that the assists work on a 2 bar meter. I guess hayataro would be focused around giving you good okizeme and like an otg pounce move where he jumps on you and bites your face or throat, and amanozako would be all about giving you stat buffs as installs that last a few seconds. More damage, more speed and rather than just less damage for defense up, it blocks all chip damage so it's good for come backs if you are in range of being killed by chip damage.
Can we have a Jack Frost joke character? Like, Jack Frost at his base, is a regular weak af Demon, though he's quick. But to compensate, he can summon other fellow Jack Frosts (with different attires, functioning like Peach turnips) or other Jacks. Black Frost is an install super.
You should've had an entire guild as the etrian character. Like, flat out, a whole 20 party members you can send out and edit on the fly. Cause that's an excellent idea that isn't completely infeasible or anything.
I could see abel in his king of bel cape thing standing like ramlethal does in strive with the cape flowing and for his summons he could summon the bel demons since in the tower of babel fight the tower summons the bel demons so after becoming the king of bel he should have control over them if he summons them. If not some demons i could associate with devil survivor would be garuda, kresnik, pazuzu, yama and black frost. Black frost could also be his own playable character with jack frost and pyro jack assists.
kinda crazy that they didn't think of this, but here's a character they could easily put in; Jack Frost as a tiny, fast and annoying little shit. He runs around, whenever he jumps it is with some wonky floaty physics and he just shoots bufu skills at the opponent, and can also summon Pyro Jack and Jack the Ripper (Pyro helps with the zoning and Ripper runs up to the opponent and slashes at them). An alt could be Black Frost, and his super could summon King Frost and make him deliver a stampede of like 50 Frosts that just run over the opponent kinda like how Mufasa died in the Lion King
Top comment is already DDS love (which the video clearly failed at smh my head) but I'll throw out my own ideas too. I think Serph (and/or any other playable characters from the roster) could have a Nagoriyuki style meter to manage. If it gets too low he reverts to a much weaker human form with ideally an entirely different moveset, and if it gets too high he gets a stomachache and becomes slower and less powerful. Not perfect but it's a proof of concept. The different "assists" could be different party members, and the choice slightly changing Serph's moveset too (Argilla makes him more magic focused while Heat gives him a melee advantage, for example). The stage I'd like to see most from those game is the ruined theme park from DDS 1, which really stood out to me when I played through the game.
I kinda had this thought about having every character be their own thing with their own moves and gimmicks and all that… But then as you are choosing your character, you also choose a “Special Demon” and an “Assist Demon”. Your “Special Demon” acts as both your character’s affinities and their “Full Meter” Special move that they can use instead of the Character’s special move if you do a different input. Every character would be able to pick between 1 of 3 that are like strong, memorable demons from their game. While the Assist Demon would be like the “special move” attacks. If you have 1 level of meter, and you have Cerberus, you can summon him for an attack, and he then jumps away. If you have level 3, you could have him use Agidyne, and Level 5 would be Max Level Meter, and you could then use either 1 or 3 levels for the previously mentioned attacks, or all of it for your Special Demon or Character’s Super. AND, every fighter can use every Assist Demon… kinda like the Spirits from Smash bros. Example: Let’s say you are playing Nahobino, who is the all-around-er. You would then need to choose between Amanazako, Abdiel, or Tsykiyomi for your Special Demon. Amanazako would give you wind and electric resistance and dark weakness, Abdiel would give light and dark resistance but weak to electricity, and Tsyukiyomi would be strong against Ice and Electric but weak to Fire. These Attributes wouldn’t be THAT big of a deal, but they would certainly be something to consider. if you are weak to an element and the enemy has that element, it will both do a bit more damage to you and will cause you to stagger more with your character. If you resist an element, you gain armor for your attacks, meaning it will be impossible to knock you out of an attack animation if you are hit with an element you are strong against. And then you would pick your Assist Demon. There would be HUNDREDS of Assist Demons, and I would imagine you unlock them through either DLC or a story mode. So you’ll start out with like- Slime, Pyro Jack, Jack Frost, and a few more, and as you beat the story mode you’ll unlock more and more demons. Each Assist demon has two attacks, so if you use Jack Frost you could have an Ice and Heal ability. Heal wouldn’t be very useful- like, it’s good to have HP back, but it takes a while for the animation to go through and your hp ticks up, not a big burst heal. But then- later on you’ll get Idun, who would have a Light Attack for LV 1, and Golden Apple for LV 3, which will give you a buff to all stats and will slowly heal you for like- 10 seconds or something. Anyway- back to Nahobino. Let’s say you do a load out of… Nahobino + Amanazako + Idun Nahobino would have his base move set, would be weak to dark, but would resist lightning and wind. His LV 1 would be a Light Attack that bursts out of the ground, doing large damage but being hard to hit. His LV 3 would be him hitting harder, moving faster and taking less damage as well as getting a slight heal for 10 seconds or so, an his Level 5 would either be Murakumo, a very big swiping attack that has no element that you would only be able to dodge with invincibility frames, being on the other side of the attack, or being on the other side of the stage. OR, you can use the Amanazako Super to have an AOE Lightning/Wind attack that will use either element depending on which will do more damage to the opponent. I can totally see something like… Demifiend + Trumpeter + Yoshitsune be a MONSTER or a character, where Yoshitsune has Charge as his LV 1 and Hausu Tobi as his LV 3, so you could use Charge, and then and if you can build 1 bar before it wears off, you can then use Demifiend’s Gaea Rage with a Charge Boost. Although… Buffs/Healing/Charge/Concentrate should PROBABLY be restricted to LV 3, so that you can’t spam them…
It’s funny how you’re able to run phys builds in DeSu 1 and 2, instead of opting for firing magic attacks at demons the MC decides to punch them with their bear hands
Megami Tensei is my favourite franchise in all of entertainment, even tough I still have a lot of key games I need to play or finish. And your passion for Bedman made me get into fighting games back in 2019 (Now it's my second favourite game genre). My most wanted fighting game is P5A, but any Megaten fighting game would be an instant buy for me. Devil Survivor is my top 1 favourite videogame, but I think mainline SMT, Persona and Digital Devil Saga are the series best suited to get fighting games.
Unironically I want a Megaten party game because it would be super fucked and it's not limited to appealing to children. Party games are already super choice heavy to begin with, adding alignments and randomized demon negotiation on top of it would be super fun. Lets say if you have a playstyle that relies heavily on luck dice rolls or items that have a degree of chance to them, you'll be chaos aligned because of the freedom/unknown factor for example. The roster and boards/maps for this would go fucking hard. I imagine instead of stars you'd collect the most demon sponsors to form your reason and win the game. The world needs more games in the Party genre besides Mario, make it happen Atlus.
Lets say the one to convince the most demon sponsers through negotiation dialogue wins the game. Players have a choice to go for the law, chaos, or neutral aligned demons on the board. Travelling there means making dice roll. Minigame rewards will cut out incorrect dialogue options, lessen the joining fee, and reduce the item request upon each sponsor. At the very end, the person who fed their demonic sponsors the most items, macca, or demons(by sacrifice or just by fusing two sponsors together) will win by destroying the other players and their sponsors who had less investment.
It would be cool if you could choose demons and they give you special skill. Like if you choose the Demi-fiend you can choose 3 out of 6 or something demons to use so you can get different types within the characters themselves, sort of like in mortal kombat where you can choose variations of characters, so if you choose pixie you get access to a zio as a special, hell rider gives you agi special and demi-fiends base specials are physical based. Or maybe you choose 2 demons for special skills and 1 for summoning assist to extend combos and such. Nanashi (Bonds) is like Ginyu from fighterz, his special is summoning his teammates and then one of his supers is summoning everyone in an assist like combo
I think a SMT fighter should still have some Persona characters. Sure, you could take the one of the protagonists, but that would cause conflict because you don't want to turn the SMT game into Persona Arena 2 so you are limited to maybe three, four max characters to add. That's why my Persona pick would be one of the characters who both appear and play an important role in every game: Igor Igor would have a moveset that keeps evolving. His forward inputs would all use different demons/persona (for example, 236L would be a different Persona and attack than 236M, this all applies to 623 and 41236 inputs as well as their mirrored variants.) After using different specials Igor saves two Persona up and fuses them with a special input. Fusing Persona would power up (Agi to Agilao for example) or change moves (kaja-buffs just turn to Heat Riser). After Igor fused enough his moveset turns a lot more simple and different input variants would actually change to weaker and stronger variants of the same attack. That way you could pretty much build your own main. Igor would potentially be the best character in the game but you need time and either find combo routes or spam to unlock his true potential and your favorite moveset. It surprisingly mirrors the actual fusion process in the Megaten-Series perfectly.
@@digimonlover1632 I think it might spiral out to a lot of Persona characters getting into the Megaten game. And I wanted something to open up to Igor.
as weird as it is to say, Persona 4 Arena was my first persona game. After seeing the character stories in the game, i was like, "what the hell happened before this game 🤣" so i played Persona 3 FES, and then played P4 and P5
How's this? Magnetite Gauge instead of Persona cards Choose up to 3 demons to summon mid-fight (spends X unit/ second or until X hits) or as assist (1 unit) Some characters can recover Magnetite, some DO NOT...
I would totally main Abel in a Megaten fighting game. I would be interested if they went for some more obscure picks like the Last Bible dude or Kai from Demikids too.
Picture this, you play as the side dude from smt 2 and he is assisted by seth (the dragon) and you build some resource up until you fuse the two together and achieve The satan install
With regards to Kei with the release of SMTVV: I think having two different character slots for his different Nahobino forms would work kinda well. The Susano'o form would primarily be a Shoto (which is commonly what someone like Ky Kiske or Ryu are considered, characterized by use of fireballs (Hadoukens), forward rush attacks (Tatsumakis), and dragon punches(DPs)) with a more specific focus on ground-based combos and keeping opponents there, punishing them before they can get an aerial advantage. Aramasa could be his Tatsu, Sakanagi could be his DP, Ruinous Thunder could be his projectiles, and his supers are all punishers that gain damage if used in combos, like Murakumo or Wrath Tempest. The Tsukuyomi form would play somewhat more similarly to maybe Sho Minazuki (sans Persona), focusing more on oppressive rushdown, interrupting combos, and rekkas, but still punishing opponents for trying to enter their airspace at the cost of being more meter-heavy and setup-heavy than the Susano'o version. He would give up Aramasa for Luminescent Mirage (acting as a spotdodge and a means of building up a hidden counter for his supers), and an ice-based Wrath Tempest (jack tempest. Its jack tempest) to replace Ruinous Thunder (it would be a beam attack rather than a normal projectile, but it would have longer windup). His supers would be Paraselene Blur, Lunar Hurricane, and Moonlight Frost, all of which have increased damage based on how much he's spotdodged your attacks.
You've got to get the Fiends in there somehow, right? Matador seems like the obvious one to make playable. Make him quick with lots of counters and high priority moves, but very punishable on block. Maybe the Riders or Trumpetters can be assists. Fionn mac Cumhaill could also be a cool addition, although you've already got a lot of SMT5 reps. Ditto Tao's goddess form. Also, you could have bosses like YHVH or Kagutsuchi as giant story bosses akin to Takemikazuchi in BlazBlue or Hi no Kagutsuchi in P4AU. An interesting joke character could be The White, who are kind of similar to Inferno or Charade from the Soul series, in that they basically have a random character's moveset (possibly with another random character as an assist, rather than a demon.)
Joker DLC just gets a mechanic where instead of picking an assist demon he just gets to use Arsene all the fucking time so instead of 2 assist bars he gets 200 SP and can just spam big busted persona assist moves while he's just flying around the screen grapple hook air dash triple jump rapid fire bullets
Atlus needs to do a smt fighting game, I'll main demi fiend cause I like in your face characters in fighting games cause to me demi fiend will be like susanoo minus the seals but what would make them similar is that susanoo is in the top five characters in blazblue that have a high damage potential and demi fiend would prob be the character with the highest damage potential
Personally i think abel would go with either garuda or black frost I find the latter more likely since hes a party member but garuda is like really good during ng+ especially
Commenting before I finished the video but Serph from Digital devil saga could be a snow ball character that's a Grappler/Rushdown mix He has Devour as a command grab which fills his Atma gauge the more it fills the more specials he has access to which leans him deeper into Rushdown archetype with the arm blades
I had an idea where Jonathan and Walter could transform into Lucifer and Merlabah with a max level Super or you could sacrifice a character slot to start the match with Lucifer or Merkabah on your team.
You completely rotted my brain now I’m gonna spend the whole week designing Serph as like, a stance fighter where he loses hp over time and regains it when he uses certain command skills like devour. Or he has a hunger meter that slowly increases over time, and the higher it is the more damage he does and his recovery is much faster, but he receives more damage AND FOR HIS ULT HE FUSES WITH SERA AND JUST FUCKING REINCARNATES YOU
Punching the hell out of somebody as demi fiend in a fighting game sounds super satisfying. Actually most of the physical magatama skills I think would transfer wonderfully to a fighting game
I feel like the only way we could get a game like this made is by just asking ATLUS a lot since people begging ATLUS to make persona games on other consoles like p5 on switch worked and same for the persona 3 remake
so my thoughts on flynn was wildly different i was thinking he would be more on an all rounder using his sword gun and magic but his assists with Walter Jonathon and Isabeau would alter his combo strings to be more combo extension and aggression with better physical rushdown with walter more stun chip damage and easier combo starters with better gun with jonathon and more defensive and support with magic coming from isabeau also since you never dropped a dds rep obviously would make sense to have serph and sera for the picks their ult would involve their fusion in dds 2 and they could transform between human and demon form where human form is more of a zoner and demon form is more rushdown with the rest of the squad as assists also joke character would be the entire jack bros with pyro jack jack frost and jack the ripper tagging in and out like pokemon trainer and would be the only characters to actually use element weakness and resistance to their advantage and disadvantage i also like the idea of making smt 1 protag more sword based and smt 2 protag the more gun based character ala messiahs in the diamond realm since my bias for the idea of metatron being playable with the archangels as backup sounds way cooler to me also the smt if protag could be involved AS the persona style rep due to the whole guardian system if has in fact he could have a comeback mechanic where the lower his hp is the stronger the guardian he calls on is like how your guardian is summoned after you die
Nah fuck the protags, only demons allowed. If you cut it down to just Demifiend, Nahobino and Raidou, that leaves a ton of character slots for more weirdo demon picks. I'm talkin Vouivre with a stance change gimmick. I'm talkin Beelzebub with screen-trapping flies and acid spit. I'm talkin Mishaguchi leapin off the fucking walls like it's MvC. I'm talking The MAN, the MYTH, the LEGEND, Nozuchi.
Oh boy can’t wait for “SMT vs Persona” featuring fan-favorites like Dante and raidou
Dante from Devil May Cry Series??!
each side would have a guest character, smt dante and persona hatsune miku
I remember spending like 3 hours with my friend thinking up a hypothetical Megami Tensei fighting game with characters from Persona and SMT and it's various spin offs with the schlockiest story ever and like 40 characters and it pains me everyday that it isn't real
Were you the guy that made that reddit post
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Ok buy you gotta have a Walter assist where he comes out and has a 50/50 chance of buffing the opponent.
You didn't mention Serph as a character concept, so I'll put forth some of my ideas.
1) Given how intrinsically tied the two characters are in the DDS duology, I'd imagine Serph and Sera to be echo fighters of each other i.e. essentially identical in how they play, but with some property and animation differences. Ardha could be a Super/Finisher.
2) Hunt Skills could be adapted for a unique gimmick. For example, it could function as a souped-up block that then fuels a unique "Atma Gauge"for more powerful and faster attacks. Alternatively, if Serph/Sera hits a sweet-spot attack, then the opponent turns blue for a set window of time, during which the next non-ranged attack to them will do significantly more damage.
3) Another thing from the DDS games you could incorporate is the switching form from Human to Atma Avatar; Human form uses firearms and is more mobile, while Atma Avatar form is more powerful and has more variety, but is slower.
4) As for stages, Muladhara would be a fine choice; could also have the rest of Team Embryon hanging out in the background. Sahasrara could work too.
5) Other characters from DDS could perhaps be playable also; I can envision Gale having a particularly unique style from the rest of the roster, and his catchphrase of "I do not comprehend" is an easy include for a taunt.
*[Technical]*
Smirk!
3 Hit
Summon!
[Once More!]
8 Hit
*[Berserk Mode]*
27 Hit! Fiendish!!
2P: "Don't die, Nanashi!"
*[Last Resort!]*
Serph should be the arcade secret boss..dude would eat the whole cast else 😂😂
I always imagine the following archetypes for these characters (all characters do summon demons for their moveset)
Nahobino- all rounder
Flynn- The character with a powerful neutral with the smirk mechanic, he fishes for it with his strong buttons.
Nanashi - Mixup character who uses his friends to pressure you instead of summoning demons
Demi Fiend- Bully character that shits on you if you make one mistake (kind of like actual nocturne)
Space Marine - Zoner that has a several follow up attack if their demon hits the enemy, kind of like Baiken's parry (supposed to reflect coop attack)
Let me expand with some ideas of mine and other comments for a full list ;)
Serph: Devour command grab to steal life and bars. Unlock Berserker moves after a successful grab. Demon Mode as a super move
Persona 1: they have a weapon and a gun, so...
Persona 2: different weapons, and the first game with Fusion Spells...
Persona 5: they NEED Baton Pass tag assists!
(You can hint OTPs with those... XD )
Strikers: Sophi & Zenkichi tag fighter character!
My idea for Serph is to make him like Nagoriyuki, where he's got big buttons but his specials cause his hunger meter to increase. If he lands his command grab (call it Feast since that's the strongest Devour type skill if I recall correctly) the hunger meter decreases, but if it fills up, he goes into his Berserk mode, where he deals more damage but can die in like two hits.
Wonderful
Alternatively, it could work like Xrd Sin where it's a food bar that decreases, and you get locked into a long animation if it runs out, but you can refill it with the command grab.
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I think it'd be pretty easy to differentiate the protagonists of the mainline games in regards to playstyle since Atlus already kinda did that with the Diamond Realm DLC.
SMT 1 Hero is Phys/Sword skills, Aleph got gun skills, Demi-fiend has all his unique skills and no weapon and Flynn got a magic build. That alone provides a pretty unique blue print for those guys, Nanashi and Nahobino would have to be made from scratch though.
Only Nanashi, really. I generally consider "canon Nahobino" to just be all the Aogami essences, cuz those have all his actual unique skills.
Having a bunch of unique skills really does help.
I think theyd lean away from Diamond Realm Demi-Fiend's kit since he had to be a mage by design (Hero and Aleph literally cant learn spells in their games), more accurately hed be manually decking people and sending them tk the Hell Dimension with Freikugels and Gaea Rages, like how he fights in DDS and V
0:50 I got unreasonably happy hearing Tony4You's voice 😅😅 so glad he's here for this!
Honestly if space marine didn’t have demone-Ho, I feel his assist (to kinda lend to that representing different endings) being Angel zelenin or fused jiminez could be cool
Honestly as a follow-up to that I just considered, maybe have that lean into different aspects of what you were suggesting for his kit, where Angel zelenin focuses on the trapping aspect of his character where she like, binds and pacifies the enemy with her song long enough to line up a combo or super. Then fused Jimenez could lean into what you were talking about with like, him being able to go from zoning into teleporting in with a phase shift type super, where jiminez could be an add onto the combo with a big burst of fire magic or some savage swiping claw attacks. Honestly space marine could be fun in a game like this lol that’s a brain worm for me
I think Serph could make for a really sick grappler. Needs to get in close to eat you. Have him balancing a hunger meter; the longer he goes without grabbing/biting you, the closer it gets to empty. It'd be kinda like Nago in Strive where the closer to berserk he gets, the bigger and harder hitting, but slower and more punishable his moves would become. Serph could have Sera or Gale as his assist, with Sera singing the song which resets Serph's gauge even in the middle of combos, letting him either panic reset the bar, or go from big attacks with huge hitstun and shift into a bunch of smaller, faster hits to combo. Gale could use Pyripgelethon, bombing the screen like Faust meteor, locking the opponent down so Serph can get in quick. Where Chiaki would be more like Pot or Gief, Serph would feel more like Manon or Nago, much more based on footsies and more mobile than Chiaki.
As for a stage to come with Serph, obviously the sun would sick af, but if we were to go as spoiler free as we can, maybe it'd be the Embryon base, or Coordinate 136. We could see the other Embryon in the bg like smash dlc stages.
Also, the funniest character would be Stephen, but making him like Phoenix in MvC, where if he gets full meter before dying, he revives, and stands up out of his wheelchair. Stephen goes from bottom 3 to top 1 instantly.
["Daedalus" starts playing]
"I will hold back *NO LONGER!"*
A stage that I'd love to see is Babel from Catherine. I imagine the background to be a labirynth of cubes with Vincent climbing them, with some of the sheep people falling down.
I've been yelling about wanting an SMT fighting game for ages
It combines two of my favorite things
Thanks for the video!
Another great stage would be the area where the Bethel meeting takes place in SMT V and it would be like the bridge stage in mk9 where Odin and Zeus are fighting in the background
That bit with the SH1 protag being the "demon ally" to Nemissa is something I can totally see the hypothetical devs doing if they decide to go all in on the wordplay and attention to detail, since Megami Tensei technically has its own unique term for demon allies, at least in the Japanese text: They use "nakama" (companion, partner, ally, etc.; sometimes used to refer to RPG party members), except the "ma" is written with the kanji used in "akuma" (demon). While the rest of the assist characters would be nakamas as established in MegaTen lexicon, the SH1 protag would instead be a nakama in the traditional sense.
I feel like for SMT if, instead of using a protag, you could use Hazama and his demon partner would be his giant Demon Emperor form. Kind of like how Labrys' Persona is in P4A, but with Hazama having the SMT 1 Hero style of combat (but way weaker). Basically he'd be a stand character focusing on his demon partner instead of dealing damage himself.
Black Frost and Alice are definitely taking character slots.
If a smt fighting game does come out im maining either Nahobino or Abel/king of bel. I personally imagine Abel's gimmick bring akin to Naoto's insta death mechanic from arena but instead using the death countdown from Survivor. I also imagine demons playing a but bigger of a part in his overall kit since he's well, the king of bel and controller of all demons.
You better
abel mains let's go
Abel would definitely be a summoner type character. Maybe he could have a Kingdom of Saints variation and a King of Demons variation that gives him different demons, if Hibiki from DeSu2 isn't a summoner too
@@kakugowaii5854 something like pokemon trainer but if pokemon trainer was more of a puppet character. Something akon to ken and koromaru, definitely a heavy zoner who doesn't really have physical attacks, a nice balance from the more phys heavy characters like demifiend, Raidou, smt 1 guy, etc.
Let's go, we got Abel mains for a game that doesn't even exist, and I'm here for it.
I feel like if they made Alice into a fighter, it would be a crime to not pay homage to Amerian Mcgee's Alice. Have her use the Vorpal blade to slash enemies, then stab them for longer hit stun. She could also use Die for Me as her Ultimate or whatever
Summon!
White Rabbit
(Or even her "parents" via SMT lore)
"You're annoying!"
Belial appears: You DARE...?! [MARAGIDYNE!]
Serph and Varna as a Stance fighter would make sense.
His base stance has him do weak basic punches, kicks and gun-shots, as well as him having a lot of mobility.
He can transform into Varna to extend his range, at the cost of a reduction in mobility, and it drains this "Atma Meter" (think of it as an SP gauge that drains over time).
Sera and Varnani could easily work as an eco fighter.
Maybe the story could have Lucifer declare war on YHVH, and the entire thing could be Light vs Darkness (or Law vs Chaos).
The alignments would be interesting to analyse (my immediate comparison would be the Light vs Night angle that Castlevania Judgement), but I know for a fact that Demi-Fiend would be Chaos, because it would be based on TDE in Nocturne.
The story mode would be character specific, and then the final fight would be against Lucifer or YHVH depending on the route.
I had a funny idea for a Mothman since were talking individual demons as fighters in this hypothetical game, and Mothman is iconic. Mothman has a few sunny things throughout the games like being the ailment man, having zio skills, and learning Spirit Drain throughout multiple games, I had an idea of working in ailments in his kit.
He'd be a zoner and have Poison Breath to poison enemies and then he has to zone with projectiles like the zio skills in order to keep the poison status (If you've played the fighting game Fantasy Strike, it's somewhat similar to Argagarg's poison fish projectile). Once the enemy comes up close, he gets the opponent in bind with Shibaboo for a few seconds where he can either just do a combo and launch them into zoning range, or use Spirit Drain to knock down the enemy (it also drains Super Meter, assuming this game has it, because it would be funny) and then set up Poison Breath okizeme. He also gets some other fun stuff like a teleport (you could call it Trafuri or something), his zio skills also get shock, or a move that increase duration of the statuses. Idk what his supers would be, probably his Sabbath Skill or his Magatsuhi Skill from SMTV or Megido. He could also fly too because he wings.
Some other ideas for characters that I think would be cool:
A dual Nakajima and Yumiko, potentially being a stance character or just both being on the field at the same time.
Tamaki from if... with a mechanic like what you suggested for Aleph, where she changes up her playstyle if she loses a round.
I think the demon loyalty mechanic you guys jokingly mentioned for the SH protag would make for a fun concept for Kyoji.
A group of Jack Frost-likes similar to Synchronicity Prologue.
Of course, I don't see ATLUS making another crossover spinoff without Persona, so some characters they could add/that I would probably expect them to add from each game:
Persona 1: Earring, Mark, Maki
Persona 2: Tatsuya, Maya, Yukino, Katsuya
Persona 3: Makoto, Akihiko, Aigis, Yukari
Persona 4: Narukami, Teddie, Chie, Naoto
Persona 5: Joker, Morgana, Makoto, Sumi, Akechi
If we wanna get into some real crack territory:
One, or both, of the DemiKids GBA protags
Anything from Last Bible or Majin Tensei
The TMS FE protag with assists of various Fire Emblem characters
The Dx2 protag with assists of Bayonetta, Guts, and Sonic
A Durarara character
Superboss idea: Apocalypse Stephen in his room in the Apocalypse DLC.
Alternatively, Nocturne Fiend boss rush.
I feel like there should be a few final boss options depending on how well you do in single-player mode, like in CvS2 something like:
1. Nyarlathotep
2. Lucifer
3. YHVH
4. Full power Stephen
I think Abel should be focusing on multi-hitting Dance attacks like Fire Dance is his grounded combo extender, Wind Dance is an antiair and Holy Dance is his super. I imagine rhythm then being kinda his thing.
If you are having hard time in what the Main SMT Protagonist moveset just remember the moveset they have in SMT 4 A dlc Diamond realm to envision it better
Personally, i think it should be a 1v1 fighting game, with Demon assists.
You choose up to 3 demons for a your character to use and that demon has skill they use, be it support, phys, fire, elec, almighty, etc.
And the demons the characters pull from are the entire demon roster (after you beat story mode)
But to limit the amount of demons in case for balance, characters will have access to certain amount of demons from the demon pool.
Meaning SMT 1 MC, can have Cerberus, Eligor, and Kushinada in his set pull, but he can have access to all demons if the assists are set to "all demons" instead of "certain demons".
I feel like having Abel be the move thief character would make the most sense, bc of Skill Crack, but having them use elemental dance skills for like, projectile carrying combos in their base kit would be cool. Would be sick for them to have a win animation where their own death clock updates from 0.
As far as stance based characters go, gotta rep DDS with Serph- transforming to confirm off of bullet hits or landmine traps with rushing sword attacks sounds sick as hell, and I'm imagining being able to finish a combo with a fadeaway transformation into human form and buy a little time to set up would make for a nice Faust-esque gameplan, where you play safe at range until you set up your wincon then corner your opponent with surprisingly scary pressure.
As far as playable and iconic demons go, recency would probably get someone like Amanozako or Fionn McCumhaill, but one of the Fiends could be a good rep- my money's on Matador.
For stages, having some that shout out other iconic FG stages would be fun. I was thinking the first sector from Strange Journey to spoof the one ice stage from CVS2, with the Red Sprite rocking up instead of the boat, opening up with Demonica clad troops marching out instead of shooting out the flags. Having a fairy village parallel Taokaka's village from Blazblue could be good too, with Jacks getting up to shenanigans in the background. Maybe have certain Jacks show up to cheer on certain characters too, like the Frost Five or Demonee-ho.
I could imagine an SMT game in where you pvp other players and their demons using the press turn system. Similar to how Pokémon showdown works. Equip 8 skills to you and your demons and pray the opponent dosen't read your weaknesses.
I got ideas for how we could have the Persona protags show up and then some: All main male protags plus Adatchi, Aketchi... and Narolepotep. Let me explain:
- Yu and Joker are close to how they play already: Yu is rounded, Joker is rushdown from hell. Makoto aka Door kun would be the zoner. All persona protags call their party menbers. So well we got Sees and IG down but ideas like Haru getting her persona in possition to reign a bunch of bullets that Joker can combo from. Also Akihito has the "million fucking punches" thing so Makoto could charge up a big ass lazer to combo from. P4 is just the BBTAG stuff lol. They can also evole their personas mid match and gain different properties and instakills. Normally it's a all out attack with who you have (yep, we will have lines pop up from other party menbers for memes) and then a solo instakill with the install active (ie Yu's base instakill, sin bullet, and turning someone into a door or some shit)
- No clue for earring kun lol besides well rounder but with gun. Also final form persona the whole time
- Tatsuya would be a rekka fighter who has some heavy hitting moves but needs to charge them. You can mix IS and EP menbers but the one you pick first choses the instant kill. He has Apollo the whole time.
- Adatchi just needs weird ass assits
- Aketchi is the evil version so wild rushdown. He can use the same assits as joker and they can use eachother as assits too... but you can also pick the Loki from the original Megami Tensei manga as well.
- Narly has Lusifer as a assit and is a hybrid of JP from Street Fighter and Zato from Guilty Gear, with him bringing out shadows to fight for him, as a puppet zoner. His intstant kill shows him destroying the universe and then laughing while Aleph and Phimon appear behind him to beat him up.
Thoughts?
A DDS character would be sick too.
To go off the Nahobino Magic discussion, what if he used physical attacks powered up by magic? Kinda like the dracostrike skills from V.
when I first saw this I instantly thought of the protag of SMT Devil Survivor with Bel assists and the ability to teleport and stun based off racial skills you can get
I was also thinking saiduq/anguished one would be an awesome character (biased since the devil survivor games are my favorites out of the ones I played and he’s like my 2nd favorite character from them probably) but I was imagining him being less like Bedman and more like some sort of horrid amalgamation of Jack-o, zato and I guess neko arc where he basically has the little flesh baby minions the septentriones throughout the game make that he summons through specials and they can either be set to work automatically or by command and they can do the different attacks those do in the game (fire beams, do the poison thing, just multiply upon being hit to obstruct attacks and be annoying etc) and you can just annoy your opponent with your minions. I also imagine he’d have 2 specials where he transforms into his red crystal thing form, in both he can move around a bit but in one he can take damage but reflects projectiles and in the other he doesn’t reflect anything but is invincible and can dodge or move behind the opponent (again sort of like zato’s vanish move I forget the name of) and there’s no visual indication as to which is being used so only you can tell which one and not your opponent. This idea would probably suck to both play as and against but idk it seems interesting and I just imagined him being more like that than bedman even if I could also see him potentially playing like bedman
Another idea I’m surprised no one said was one of the people who work the cathedral of shadows; they’d have some sort of macca meter where they can just summon demons to fight for them and if your opponent also has demons in some form you have a special you can use macca to save your opponents demons and then allow them to be summoned into your own move set. They could also have a thing where you can use meter to fuse 2 of your demons currently on screen into something new which would then have new spells to make them do (though of course you couldn’t add too many different possible demons as to not make the game take an extra 5 years purely to create this character). This sounds like an interesting idea to me even if it’s also very “gimmicky” and idk I thought one of you would’ve suggested something similar as I didn’t see a lot of talk about the characters themselves summoning demons which I imagine a lot of characters would
The idea that I’ve had for Flynn would be for him to be an install character (like GG Sol) where normally he plays with his regular katana in a samurai style (like some samsho type stuff), but when he gets his install he transforms into Vishnu-Flynn and he gets his abilities and laser swords. I think it’d be really cool, maybe he could even have as ally demons either Jonathan or Walter (and their transformed versions).
Honestly, a lot of characters could work as install characters.
Demi fiend would definitely be the Q of the roster, slow and not particularly flashy combos but tanky and punishes whiffs extremely well
So happy you guys made this video. I've been thinking about this for a year, including demons and the characters in the roster.
I feel like a big opportunity was missed for you guys to envision Demons like you have an inventory specific for each fighter and then those demons act as assists and all of them you can choose how to fuse between rounds to make them more powerful the next round and change the assist.
I can imagine Abel from Devil Survivor with a transformation ultimate where he goes king of bel mode and starts summoning a crap ton of demons.
BABEL SERVER
My boys the Jack brothers would be the Best joke character ,they coul just have the all red and black skin from the nintendo virtual boy.
An Smt fighting game can use a feature similar to mortal Kombats cameo system, where demons can pop up and throw some ice or fire
When you brought up Demi-Fiend, I was really hoping you'd say he'd have Matador. That's always the first Demon I connect him to due to the boss fight, so I felt like him getting Matador over Pixie would be a strong contender.
Also, Jack Bros rep of Jack Frost, Pyro Jack, and Jack Ripper trio as a fighter would have been a deep but well chosen cut. Also, Mothman needs t be somewhere in this game. I'm not sure how, but Mothman is great.
It'd be cool if Simon and the axiom was the arcade final boss and he was just a complete zoner like not even a fun fight just covering the screen in hotboxes and teleporting to the entire other side of the screen anytime you closed any distance
Jonathan would be a stance switcher where sort of like Shulk’s Manado skills in Smash, he could use a special to switch between the 4 archangels and demon ally moves, move properties, and base effects (Raphael = -Atk, +Def, Michael = extra range but slower, Gabriel = +Speed, -Def/Atk, Uriel = +Atk/-Def) and to go crazier, he’d have a super that would change depending on which angel he had equipped.
And Jonathan’s “instant kill” could be Hexagram after fusing with all 4 angels.
This game sounds amazing, I would play it and I am now upset that it will never exist. >:(
I like the idea that each fighter can pick from 3 unique assist characters each that have 3 bbtag style assist specials, where there's 3 moves each, forward back and neutral, and on the select screen they are displayed as alignments. So like Nahobino's 3 alignments would have you pick Abdiel for Order, Hayataro for Chaos or Amanozako for neutral. I like the idea of Abdiel especially where her focus is giving you combo extentions and each round she gets a little more insane and transforms again so like round 1 is base gold angel doing a simple big sword swings as combo extenders/enders, then round 2 gets the black and red form with the big bat wings and horns where her assist now adds something like a launcher to the back assist or a wall bounce on forward assist so instead of it just knocking them back to full screen they get wall bounced and you can keep the combo going, and then if you get to round 3 she hulks out in the big centaur bull demon whatever form and has all that stuff and her neutral assist becomes a big OTG stomp, so after you extend the combo from the wall bounce with the first bar of assist meter, and they land about mid screen, you can spend the second bar of assist meter to do a big ground stop to pop them back up again to extend the combo a few hits even further. I'm going by the premise that the assists work on a 2 bar meter. I guess hayataro would be focused around giving you good okizeme and like an otg pounce move where he jumps on you and bites your face or throat, and amanozako would be all about giving you stat buffs as installs that last a few seconds. More damage, more speed and rather than just less damage for defense up, it blocks all chip damage so it's good for come backs if you are in range of being killed by chip damage.
Can we have a Jack Frost joke character? Like, Jack Frost at his base, is a regular weak af Demon, though he's quick. But to compensate, he can summon other fellow Jack Frosts (with different attires, functioning like Peach turnips) or other Jacks. Black Frost is an install super.
he should be a joke character, the joke is that this Jack frost is the one from DDS that fucks your shit up
Miyako Hotsuin would be a very cool character with what she has access to. The sword, the dragon stream control, and her true form as cor caroli
You should've had an entire guild as the etrian character. Like, flat out, a whole 20 party members you can send out and edit on the fly. Cause that's an excellent idea that isn't completely infeasible or anything.
I could see abel in his king of bel cape thing standing like ramlethal does in strive with the cape flowing and for his summons he could summon the bel demons since in the tower of babel fight the tower summons the bel demons so after becoming the king of bel he should have control over them if he summons them. If not some demons i could associate with devil survivor would be garuda, kresnik, pazuzu, yama and black frost. Black frost could also be his own playable character with jack frost and pyro jack assists.
kinda crazy that they didn't think of this, but here's a character they could easily put in;
Jack Frost as a tiny, fast and annoying little shit. He runs around, whenever he jumps it is with some wonky floaty physics and he just shoots bufu skills at the opponent, and can also summon Pyro Jack and Jack the Ripper (Pyro helps with the zoning and Ripper runs up to the opponent and slashes at them). An alt could be Black Frost, and his super could summon King Frost and make him deliver a stampede of like 50 Frosts that just run over the opponent kinda like how Mufasa died in the Lion King
Using the Hee Horde like the Yoshi Stampede in Smash Ultimate is a genius idea.
Everyone from digital devil saga would look dope as a fighting character. Except the flying one.
Crazy how they made 30 million spin offs for P5 and never saw the need to make Arena
Top comment is already DDS love (which the video clearly failed at smh my head) but I'll throw out my own ideas too.
I think Serph (and/or any other playable characters from the roster) could have a Nagoriyuki style meter to manage. If it gets too low he reverts to a much weaker human form with ideally an entirely different moveset, and if it gets too high he gets a stomachache and becomes slower and less powerful. Not perfect but it's a proof of concept. The different "assists" could be different party members, and the choice slightly changing Serph's moveset too (Argilla makes him more magic focused while Heat gives him a melee advantage, for example). The stage I'd like to see most from those game is the ruined theme park from DDS 1, which really stood out to me when I played through the game.
Need more hypothetical SMT fighting game. Making a story mode concept perhaps?
I kinda had this thought about having every character be their own thing with their own moves and gimmicks and all that…
But then as you are choosing your character, you also choose a “Special Demon” and an “Assist Demon”.
Your “Special Demon” acts as both your character’s affinities and their “Full Meter” Special move that they can use instead of the Character’s special move if you do a different input. Every character would be able to pick between 1 of 3 that are like strong, memorable demons from their game.
While the Assist Demon would be like the “special move” attacks. If you have 1 level of meter, and you have Cerberus, you can summon him for an attack, and he then jumps away. If you have level 3, you could have him use Agidyne, and Level 5 would be Max Level Meter, and you could then use either 1 or 3 levels for the previously mentioned attacks, or all of it for your Special Demon or Character’s Super. AND, every fighter can use every Assist Demon… kinda like the Spirits from Smash bros.
Example:
Let’s say you are playing Nahobino, who is the all-around-er. You would then need to choose between Amanazako, Abdiel, or Tsykiyomi for your Special Demon. Amanazako would give you wind and electric resistance and dark weakness, Abdiel would give light and dark resistance but weak to electricity, and Tsyukiyomi would be strong against Ice and Electric but weak to Fire.
These Attributes wouldn’t be THAT big of a deal, but they would certainly be something to consider. if you are weak to an element and the enemy has that element, it will both do a bit more damage to you and will cause you to stagger more with your character. If you resist an element, you gain armor for your attacks, meaning it will be impossible to knock you out of an attack animation if you are hit with an element you are strong against.
And then you would pick your Assist Demon. There would be HUNDREDS of Assist Demons, and I would imagine you unlock them through either DLC or a story mode. So you’ll start out with like- Slime, Pyro Jack, Jack Frost, and a few more, and as you beat the story mode you’ll unlock more and more demons. Each Assist demon has two attacks, so if you use Jack Frost you could have an Ice and Heal ability. Heal wouldn’t be very useful- like, it’s good to have HP back, but it takes a while for the animation to go through and your hp ticks up, not a big burst heal. But then- later on you’ll get Idun, who would have a Light Attack for LV 1, and Golden Apple for LV 3, which will give you a buff to all stats and will slowly heal you for like- 10 seconds or something.
Anyway- back to Nahobino. Let’s say you do a load out of…
Nahobino + Amanazako + Idun
Nahobino would have his base move set, would be weak to dark, but would resist lightning and wind. His LV 1 would be a Light Attack that bursts out of the ground, doing large damage but being hard to hit. His LV 3 would be him hitting harder, moving faster and taking less damage as well as getting a slight heal for 10 seconds or so, an his Level 5 would either be Murakumo, a very big swiping attack that has no element that you would only be able to dodge with invincibility frames, being on the other side of the attack, or being on the other side of the stage. OR, you can use the Amanazako Super to have an AOE Lightning/Wind attack that will use either element depending on which will do more damage to the opponent.
I can totally see something like…
Demifiend + Trumpeter + Yoshitsune be a MONSTER or a character, where Yoshitsune has Charge as his LV 1 and Hausu Tobi as his LV 3, so you could use Charge, and then and if you can build 1 bar before it wears off, you can then use Demifiend’s Gaea Rage with a Charge Boost.
Although… Buffs/Healing/Charge/Concentrate should PROBABLY be restricted to LV 3, so that you can’t spam them…
Yall should have got Thorgi's Arcade for this video.
It’s funny how you’re able to run phys builds in DeSu 1 and 2, instead of opting for firing magic attacks at demons the MC decides to punch them with their bear hands
Now this dudes cooking
Megami Tensei is my favourite franchise in all of entertainment, even tough I still have a lot of key games I need to play or finish. And your passion for Bedman made me get into fighting games back in 2019 (Now it's my second favourite game genre).
My most wanted fighting game is P5A, but any Megaten fighting game would be an instant buy for me. Devil Survivor is my top 1 favourite videogame, but I think mainline SMT, Persona and Digital Devil Saga are the series best suited to get fighting games.
For Ringo I'd make her party a special move just like when u summon Daigo in Yakuza like a dragon
Unironically I want a Megaten party game because it would be super fucked and it's not limited to appealing to children. Party games are already super choice heavy to begin with, adding alignments and randomized demon negotiation on top of it would be super fun. Lets say if you have a playstyle that relies heavily on luck dice rolls or items that have a degree of chance to them, you'll be chaos aligned because of the freedom/unknown factor for example. The roster and boards/maps for this would go fucking hard. I imagine instead of stars you'd collect the most demon sponsors to form your reason and win the game. The world needs more games in the Party genre besides Mario, make it happen Atlus.
Lets say the one to convince the most demon sponsers through negotiation dialogue wins the game.
Players have a choice to go for the law, chaos, or neutral aligned demons on the board. Travelling there means making dice roll. Minigame rewards will cut out incorrect dialogue options, lessen the joining fee, and reduce the item request upon each sponsor. At the very end, the person who fed their demonic sponsors the most items, macca, or demons(by sacrifice or just by fusing two sponsors together) will win by destroying the other players and their sponsors who had less investment.
So smt dokapon?
@@soyeahsauce Still need to play Dokapon Kingdom, heard it was great at killing friendships
It would be cool if you could choose demons and they give you special skill. Like if you choose the Demi-fiend you can choose 3 out of 6 or something demons to use so you can get different types within the characters themselves, sort of like in mortal kombat where you can choose variations of characters, so if you choose pixie you get access to a zio as a special, hell rider gives you agi special and demi-fiends base specials are physical based.
Or maybe you choose 2 demons for special skills and 1 for summoning assist to extend combos and such.
Nanashi (Bonds) is like Ginyu from fighterz, his special is summoning his teammates and then one of his supers is summoning everyone in an assist like combo
I could see Stephen being a boss character, with the Diamond Realm being an unlockable stage.
a smt fighting game will never not have alice and jack frost
I think a SMT fighter should still have some Persona characters. Sure, you could take the one of the protagonists, but that would cause conflict because you don't want to turn the SMT game into Persona Arena 2 so you are limited to maybe three, four max characters to add. That's why my Persona pick would be one of the characters who both appear and play an important role in every game: Igor
Igor would have a moveset that keeps evolving. His forward inputs would all use different demons/persona (for example, 236L would be a different Persona and attack than 236M, this all applies to 623 and 41236 inputs as well as their mirrored variants.)
After using different specials Igor saves two Persona up and fuses them with a special input. Fusing Persona would power up (Agi to Agilao for example) or change moves (kaja-buffs just turn to Heat Riser). After Igor fused enough his moveset turns a lot more simple and different input variants would actually change to weaker and stronger variants of the same attack. That way you could pretty much build your own main. Igor would potentially be the best character in the game but you need time and either find combo routes or spam to unlock his true potential and your favorite moveset. It surprisingly mirrors the actual fusion process in the Megaten-Series perfectly.
Velvet Underground Team!
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I would suggest characters from the Persona 2 duology and before since Persona was considered closer to SMT than Persona 3 onwards.
How does adding persona protagonists turn it into Persona Arena? Persona is still a part of megaten.
@@digimonlover1632 I think it might spiral out to a lot of Persona characters getting into the Megaten game. And I wanted something to open up to Igor.
@@digimonlover1632 Precisely!
But I think it is more "let's make this one unique and not be tied to P4U" what they were thinking
as weird as it is to say, Persona 4 Arena was my first persona game. After seeing the character stories in the game, i was like, "what the hell happened before this game 🤣" so i played Persona 3 FES, and then played P4 and P5
How's this?
Magnetite Gauge instead of Persona cards
Choose up to 3 demons to summon mid-fight (spends X unit/ second or until X hits) or as assist (1 unit)
Some characters can recover Magnetite, some DO NOT...
I would totally main Abel in a Megaten fighting game. I would be interested if they went for some more obscure picks like the Last Bible dude or Kai from Demikids too.
Didn't Groove On Fight have a character who summoned Goetic Demons from the SMT franchise? Bristol-D?
To the best SMT spinn-off that may never see the light of day
Damn that Wendigo fight was crazy
Everybody gangsta till atlus devs get executed for givin jack frost an op move
I didn't knew it was possible to get depression out of something so cool. Good job :')
Picture this, you play as the side dude from smt 2 and he is assisted by seth (the dragon) and you build some resource up until you fuse the two together and achieve
The satan install
With regards to Kei with the release of SMTVV:
I think having two different character slots for his different Nahobino forms would work kinda well. The Susano'o form would primarily be a Shoto (which is commonly what someone like Ky Kiske or Ryu are considered, characterized by use of fireballs (Hadoukens), forward rush attacks (Tatsumakis), and dragon punches(DPs)) with a more specific focus on ground-based combos and keeping opponents there, punishing them before they can get an aerial advantage. Aramasa could be his Tatsu, Sakanagi could be his DP, Ruinous Thunder could be his projectiles, and his supers are all punishers that gain damage if used in combos, like Murakumo or Wrath Tempest.
The Tsukuyomi form would play somewhat more similarly to maybe Sho Minazuki (sans Persona), focusing more on oppressive rushdown, interrupting combos, and rekkas, but still punishing opponents for trying to enter their airspace at the cost of being more meter-heavy and setup-heavy than the Susano'o version. He would give up Aramasa for Luminescent Mirage (acting as a spotdodge and a means of building up a hidden counter for his supers), and an ice-based Wrath Tempest (jack tempest. Its jack tempest) to replace Ruinous Thunder (it would be a beam attack rather than a normal projectile, but it would have longer windup). His supers would be Paraselene Blur, Lunar Hurricane, and Moonlight Frost, all of which have increased damage based on how much he's spotdodged your attacks.
If Touhou can get fangames like it does, where's my SMT fighter romhacks
You've got to get the Fiends in there somehow, right? Matador seems like the obvious one to make playable. Make him quick with lots of counters and high priority moves, but very punishable on block. Maybe the Riders or Trumpetters can be assists.
Fionn mac Cumhaill could also be a cool addition, although you've already got a lot of SMT5 reps. Ditto Tao's goddess form.
Also, you could have bosses like YHVH or Kagutsuchi as giant story bosses akin to Takemikazuchi in BlazBlue or Hi no Kagutsuchi in P4AU.
An interesting joke character could be The White, who are kind of similar to Inferno or Charade from the Soul series, in that they basically have a random character's moveset (possibly with another random character as an assist, rather than a demon.)
Joker DLC just gets a mechanic where instead of picking an assist demon he just gets to use Arsene all the fucking time so instead of 2 assist bars he gets 200 SP and can just spam big busted persona assist moves while he's just flying around the screen grapple hook air dash triple jump rapid fire bullets
22:13 Tadano
I saw an AWESOME Character select screen before SMT 4 or P4 existed
P3 FeMC was Kimiko ("You Girl". XD)
Atlus needs to do a smt fighting game, I'll main demi fiend cause I like in your face characters in fighting games cause to me demi fiend will be like susanoo minus the seals but what would make them similar is that susanoo is in the top five characters in blazblue that have a high damage potential and demi fiend would prob be the character with the highest damage potential
How could you not make Nemissa a stance character, where she switches between the three spell sets on the fly
Personally i think abel would go with either garuda or black frost
I find the latter more likely since hes a party member but garuda is like really good during ng+ especially
Commenting before I finished the video but Serph from Digital devil saga could be a snow ball character that's a Grappler/Rushdown mix
He has Devour as a command grab which fills his Atma gauge the more it fills the more specials he has access to which leans him deeper into Rushdown archetype with the arm blades
My thought on demons would be like V triggers from street fighter V, where you can pick one and it does a different thing per demon
24:54 Smirk voice clips
Flynn: Humph...
Luxuror: Regrettable!
Isabeau: It's my time!
Bro: Unlucky!
FYI I totally mix up the guys names!
XD
Now I really want this to be a thing I hope Atlus does this instead of a persona 5 arena
I had an idea where Jonathan and Walter could transform into Lucifer and Merlabah with a max level Super or you could sacrifice a character slot to start the match with Lucifer or Merkabah on your team.
I would play that in a heartbeat.
This is making me want to play an smt game now
They're a bit overrated (underwhelming stories) but still good
I'd leave good money on the table if I could plow through the entirety of the SMT Cast with Demi Fiend
You completely rotted my brain now I’m gonna spend the whole week designing Serph as like, a stance fighter where he loses hp over time and regains it when he uses certain command skills like devour.
Or he has a hunger meter that slowly increases over time, and the higher it is the more damage he does and his recovery is much faster, but he receives more damage AND FOR HIS ULT HE FUSES WITH SERA AND JUST FUCKING REINCARNATES YOU
Punching the hell out of somebody as demi fiend in a fighting game sounds super satisfying.
Actually most of the physical magatama skills I think would transfer wonderfully to a fighting game
31:50 Spooky!
Ultimate: "Nemissa is here!"
I feel like the only way we could get a game like this made is by just asking ATLUS a lot since people begging ATLUS to make persona games on other consoles like p5 on switch worked and same for the persona 3 remake
27:42 are those from Nocturne?!
Oh wow, I'm in for a FUN TIME...
What I pulled from this is: Devil Survivor 2's cast is good enough for a fighting game.
My Demi-Fiend combos go crazy (hypothetical)
I was thinking maybe the Tokyo Sky Tree from IV.
Have Medusa skulking around in the background and have her turn the loser to stone
so my thoughts on flynn was wildly different i was thinking he would be more on an all rounder using his sword gun and magic but his assists with Walter Jonathon and Isabeau would alter his combo strings to be more combo extension and aggression with better physical rushdown with walter more stun chip damage and easier combo starters with better gun with jonathon and more defensive and support with magic coming from isabeau also since you never dropped a dds rep obviously would make sense to have serph and sera for the picks their ult would involve their fusion in dds 2 and they could transform between human and demon form where human form is more of a zoner and demon form is more rushdown with the rest of the squad as assists also joke character would be the entire jack bros with pyro jack jack frost and jack the ripper tagging in and out like pokemon trainer and would be the only characters to actually use element weakness and resistance to their advantage and disadvantage i also like the idea of making smt 1 protag more sword based and smt 2 protag the more gun based character ala messiahs in the diamond realm since my bias for the idea of metatron being playable with the archangels as backup sounds way cooler to me also the smt if protag could be involved AS the persona style rep due to the whole guardian system if has in fact he could have a comeback mechanic where the lower his hp is the stronger the guardian he calls on is like how your guardian is summoned after you die
Nah fuck the protags, only demons allowed. If you cut it down to just Demifiend, Nahobino and Raidou, that leaves a ton of character slots for more weirdo demon picks.
I'm talkin Vouivre with a stance change gimmick. I'm talkin Beelzebub with screen-trapping flies and acid spit. I'm talkin Mishaguchi leapin off the fucking walls like it's MvC. I'm talking The MAN, the MYTH, the LEGEND, Nozuchi.
I'm feeling charitable, Jiminez, Zelenin, and Walter are cool enough to be in there.