ResetERA's Dumb Ways To Improve Persona List
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- Опубліковано 17 кві 2018
- The brilliant game designers at ResetERA have come up with a lot of ways to 'improve' Persona. Some are pretty good, many of them are not, a couple are just downright baffling.
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"Cut the repetitive dialogue"
F O R R E A L ?
Freshizzle OOH LOOKING COOOOOL JOKER
Freshizzle YOU'RE SOOOO GORGEOUS, PANTHER
Freshizzle IT'S SCARY HOW GOOD I AM
I love how most of these are mona's
TheKing That furball loves the sound of his own voice just as much as Teddie loves bear puns.
DaMario Clark I'm glad I have benched. He doesn't even have to speak to be annoying. MONA FIDE BONA FIDE. Thank you for existing makoto.
"More unique ways to gain Persona" oh you mean like:
-turn over rocks
-check between the couch cushins
-look at vending machine coin returns
-maybe inside your shoes
Art Hill under the floorboards.
Inside the suit of armor.
Under the bed.
On the third floor.
Outside the window.
Inside the window.
In the ceiling.
Other places. XD
Just make Persona into Yokai Watch. Its that simple
I mean Yokai Watch is basically SMT light anyway.
Is it the spiritual successor to DemiKids?
What is this yokai watch?
"More diverse range of Personas."
Someone didn't finish their compendium.
They need an L, like, literally, I lost a few hours just reading the compendium
literally i have my brother with 99% persona compendium, im even sure that he even read all the infos of the personas!
*Cock Wagon would like to know your location*
bet he just had agaithion and pixie the entire game and played only on safe.
Can't really imagine more diverse than a giant member on wheels or a demon that lightly resembles a xenomorph
"Persona 5 had too many back to back dungeons"
The people who said this have probably never played p3 or just quit at level 16
Lets just force em to play sector E from strange journey
Floor 201 and still going for me, and i fully agree those people just don't have the attention span to play smt
I'm at floor 86, and I'm still shoving my way through my first playthrough.
Lol I quit that game early but P5 dungeons are wayyyyyy less repetitive tho
Ya I dont get that, I had the exact opposite opinion, too long between dungeons. My first experience with a persona game and I had a blast, but sometimes, the mundane day to day and tons of dialogue between dungeons was a bit much. Deffinatly different and unique to any jrpg I've ever played
"Make dungeons skippable."
They do realize that the dungeons are actually integral to the story, right?
Nah, they don't pay attention to that, why do you think they don't understand the villains?
What an idiots
Cristipiot 07 the grammar makes this comment ironic
"Joker! We need to go to the depths of Mementos!"
"No, I will just hit the skip button and beat the game."
@Andrew Whiting The heck is a woke subhuman.
>Players shouldn't be spendign 30+ minutes in the Velvet Room
But... that's the best part...
It's always great to fuse like 8 - 20 Personas in a single visit to get the best possible results.
I love spending time in the Velvet room. Those moments where you think about which skill to keep and which to discard while listing to the "Aria of the Soul" soundtrack are so dam good.
Ahhhhhaha... aaaaaahhhaaaaaa ahhhahaaahahaaaaaaha
(Love velvets song thou)
Does anyone actually NEED to spend 30+ minutes? I spend a lot of time cause I wanted, not because it was needed.
Time in Velvet Room is NONEXISTENT YOU DUMBASSES
@@neonayse8803 a true wise man
The “perfect” Persona 6:
Start at max level
No compendium every persona ever is always equipped
No social stats or social links
Paper thin story with a cast of all Mary Sues
No dungeons just walk up to the final boss and tell it to stop doing bad things and then everyone wins with you getting all the trophies that would have existed had there actually been a game
I almost forgot, everyone has to be automatically romantically involved with the protagonist; and that none of characters can be japanese, for a more diverse cast
@@alancaldwell2764 This- this is perfect! Wtf Atlus? Why didn't you hire this guy!?
You describe FFXIII :0
@@Tar4de So that's it. It's so americanised and disgusting. I had never realized that it was one of the things I disliked so much about it. That black guy especially needs to be given some slaps or some shit so he can shut the fuk up once and for all.
@@alancaldwell2764 Revelations : Persona is Americanised as all hell, basically doing this.
'Believable villians'
Dude, just how many real life Kamoshidas, Madremas, Kaneshiros, Okumoras and Shideos exist?
How many people just abuse their power for their own benefit in American society alone, let alone a society as heavily reliant on respect for superiors like Japan?
a lot
Franshisk Yeah, Akechi fell a little flat, but I still like him. I feel Futaba and Sae were the most interesting Palace Owners. They aren’t villains per se, but they are “Antagonists” for their respective chapters, just in a different way.
They aren’t evil, they just explore the distorted desire thing and show that people don’t necessarily have to be evil in order to have a palace. So, I agree, wouldn’t call them Villains, but they are antagonists for a bit.
Franshisk | Well I just said I liked them.
Sure, Futaba isn’t like a villain, but her shadow does try and stop your progress. So I guess Futaba’s Shadow is the Antagonist and Futaba is good but who cares it’s still good
@Jason Boudreau I'm not trying to downplay that or anything, but I think they actually shafted Futaba in the game, if anything. I mean, for apparently caring so much about her mom's death she didn't really seem to care about it later in the game when she found out Akechi axed her mom. That's probably part of them playing the sympathy card for Akechi, but then again he didn't deserve it. Just, I don't know, seems like kind of a surface-level connection when the character isn't that good. Neither are most of them
At some point it just seemed like the game tried to hard to get me to hate them. I don't need 10 showcases of how evil my villain of the week is.
Who ever wrote this list thinks persona is a dating sim series with rpg added on to it.
Well I mean...
Wah Luigi its vise versa. There is a shit ton more RPG elements than the dating aspect considering you don't start dating until rank 9 with a female if you don't reject them. While we got dungeons, shops, the velvet room, A LOT of mechanics regarding personas, plot, and great characters.
Huh...well i gotta go!
I..... huh, Reverse that and you get persona.
So they want a Compile Heart RPG...
“Throw away your identity and go back to Persona 1 and 2 which none of them have ever played”
That line killed me
I agree and i have played them lol
@@losttriad Are they worth playing nowadays? Cause I've heard good things about 2.
@@valydendor4472 its fun if you like really confusing jrpgs
@@losttriad I've gone through kingdom hearts.
@@valydendor4472 never played those but without spoilers is one character dead in one scene alive in the next dead again then alive again
Tbh I think we need character birthday events
I want them to atleast have a boost any of their stats for the day and have some extra lines
Most of the character’s birthdays are set at a time when they aren’t part of the story yet (at least as far as P4 and P5 are concerned)
Actually, that sounds like a pretty nice idea, where it’s like a nice scene, possibly affecting their s-link rank, or just having a good time with some friends
Kyle Gloeckner Yosuke - June 22 (Part of story)
Chie - July 30 (Part of story)
Yukiko - December 8 (Part of story)
Kanji - January 19 (Part of story)
Ryuji - July 3 (Part of story)
Ann - November 12 (Part of story at this point)
Haru - December 5 (Part of story)
Yusuke - Jan 28 (Part of Story)
Futaba - Feb 19 (Part of story)
Sumi - March 25 (Part of story)
Then again, they were probably busy with the midnight channel and palaces respectively.
@@Zirc0nis to be fair though if the devs intended to do that when making the game they could just give the characters birthdays that time out with the story.
“Make Personas more interesting as characters.”
Yeah, lemme just come up with fully detailed and fascinating personalities for _literal hundreds of side characters._
Why come up with it? It's already there, just press the left.... Trigger? L1? L? Well, one of those buttons on the top left
Yeah it’s time to spend hours and hours and hours creating something that we basically already have
Timmy Reobed
Yeah, it’s not like almost every Persona/Demon is based on characters from actual folklore and mythology.
We have Shin Megami Tensei for this shit.
I wanna see the deep compelling character they write for Mara.
Wouldn't "Costumiazation" compleatly annihiate the animated cutscenes?
Yes, yes it would
Cy3qi no it wouldn’t
It would just mean no pre-rendered cut scenes. But if the modelling is good enough the in game models should work just fine, especially on PS4 which has many games that show in-engine cutscenes. If they make the alternate costumes fit the universe than it would work.
Toma Ryth I’m pretty sure he was talking about those pre-rendered cutscenes disappearing
customization as in different hair styles, colors and attires and whatnot? How would that ruined cutscenes? If anything the cutscenes would just use the base/default look while the customizable look being in-game...
Oh man I can't wait for Persona 6 to come in 2077 when they take this expert advice
The Insane Penguin worle will end by then
....fallout or smt will start
Tbh I want to see a mix of two yah know
Like summoning demons from my pipboy in post nuclear apocalyptic Japan
A Megami Tensei Fan Plus I think the nuclear setting would lead to some very interesting Demons, like Nuclear Frost or... Vladimir, Lord of Nukes :3
The Insane Penguin Dude, Odin, god of Nuclear Winters
Jack Frost deserves a theme song tbh.
Just him tho and only because he's the mascot.
I can get down with this hee ho!
He deserves to be an Alignment rep in mainline tbh
@@donaldtrump2728 The cold alignment. Freeze the world! All will be turned to icecream for the betterment of king frost's world!
That'd be a funny joke ending.
@@matthewcoyle4131 I unironically want this
A Jack Frost th-hee-me song would be the highlight of the game
Some of those complaints litterally scream to me "I've never played an SMT game outside of P5 and therefore I'm smart"
@Fernando Alvarado more like "what's a persona?"
More like: "what's a demon? Is that kinda like a Pokemon shadow?"
It’s more like “I’ve played kamoshida’s palace”
Honestly feels like the complaints are saying that they haven't even played a JRPG at all.
I've played a part of P5 and P3P has a female MC so lets have more of that!
Here's how I'd "fix" Haru: During the first palace, your hideout is on the roof, so I'd make Haru show up to do some gardening. So she meets the Protag, Ryuji and Ann. It'd be kinda neat to be able to build her confidant to level 2-4 before she joins you, kinda like Akechi works. I'd also make her gain Baton Pass the second she joins you, because Haru is basically useless until you beat her fathers palace, because you have to finish it to even start her confidant.
Well, they made Baton pass a normal ability instead of a Earned one, which I think is great, so you got one of these
@@freemanthedelphox6249 Plus, there are some little extras sprinkled throughout the opening of Royal, like an eavesdroppable conversation between Haru and some teacher. Even for non-fans who don't know who Haru is prior to Royal, she stands out by her sweater and beautiful-floof design and, through a player's natural desire to learn more about the setting through all the eavesdropping they can muster, they see Haru's dialogue portrait super early, cueing them in to this girl's future significance.
I haven't taken out Kamoshida yet (in Royal), as a frame of reference. I don't know if there's more of this beyond him or nothing.
@@theinimitablejora522 i take it she doesn't acknowledge the player?
@@freemanthedelphox6249 Ah, not in that instance, no...
Also maybe make the final boss of her father's palace finish her character and not fucking morgana's character like
"Hey daughter turn on you're friends"
"No"
"Soooooo cat how about you"
*Morgana goes into deep speech*
Why do people think a 90+ Hour game needs a playable Postgame?
Andrew Kos I think it could be good put 1-2hours of skippable game in the time between your release and your return at home and maybe a little post-game in the summer where the characters meet like how ATLUS did in Golden.
Andrew Kos because this is their first JRPG and they want it to be like Skyrim or Witcher 3
Post-game content has been in several JRPGs before. Treating it like this new thing is very silly, and kind of tells me that you might need to play some stuff from the 80s and 90s.
Final fantasy 10 did it
Because we love the game and we want to be able to experience the charaters more and not have to do the main story again. The least they could do are like velvet room challenges with certain paramaters and rewards at the end like items and mabye new fusions.
Haru has nothing to do with being introduced late, there’s three palaces after Okumura’s. The problem was Okumura’s palace arc was Morgana’s story not Haru’s. And if you take the time to do her confidant and pay attention to what she does have in the palace she’s a very interesting and good character
(Not to mention Morgana's story is the worst because he's just being a selfish hoe the whole time)
Ya, but sidelining a whole bunch of character development and saying "go do the optional stuff if you want her to be 'well-written'" might be and indication that you have failed at writing a character in your character-driven game.
Plus, the lateness does matter a bit, since the final dungeons in these games are more focused on the MC or the whole party/world. By the time we get to them, singular character developments can get very limited. A 30 minute monologue from Haru about her family in the pit of mementos would be drastically out of place. And yes, I know Morgana got a moment in Mementos, but he was basically going to have to have a scene there given his character, whereas Haru really needed her father's palace/plot, given how that was when her character would have been most central.
BetaBran yeah I can’t argue with you on that. The worst thing is you have to get to rank 9 in her confidant to stop her from being forced to marry the one guy. Haru was my favorite girl and I got to rank 9 the day before the mementos palace and I spent time with her every time I could so if someone doesn’t care about her very much they probably aren’t going to get to rank 9. Also I just realized a lot of shitty stuff happens when you don’t finish a confidant. I forgot what the guy in Ryuji’s goal was but he probably achieved it, Mika probably destroyed Ann’s entire modeling career, Takemi was probably forced to shut down, Kawakami had to keep paying the people for a long time if not her whole life, there’s pretty much something like that for everyone
That entire portion of the game just upsets me. Not as much as it does for some people as I actually really like the Haru/Okumura arc and the Okumura palace. I just don't understand why Morgana had a "I'm gonna be a jerkwad and get mad because I don't feel self-importance" moment right at the start of a very important plot arc when Haru should've been properly introduced and interacted with the Phantom Thieves on her own.
BetaBran I didn’t hate the palace but it was still my least favorite. The phantom thieves arguing part could of been really good if they handled it better but besides that I thought the story was ok. I’m a Haru fan imagine how I feel about how they handled her during that palace
Yukiko's s link was actually her discovery that she was never opposed to running the inn, in her symbolism the cage was always open. it was imaginary. she wanted freedom and support from her family.
Yeah. I think Yukiko’s link was more about wanting her family to support whatever she chooses to do with her life instead of making her feel like she’s forced to be what they want her to be.
the symbolism behind the cage being opened was that she could always leave,she just never saw that and wanted to be given a reason not knowing that it was up to her to give herself that reason and make that leap
@@jamesvalkyrie7469⁰😊
For the second one, College maybe, Workplace no.
Tyler Williamson Kinda like P2 EP I guess?
Tim in accounting was the one poisoning the coffee all along! *Persona!*
Work place would be way to hard for confidants, also it'd have to go back to like the dark hour or something cuz no way is everyone gonna have a day off just like that. Also aint the reason we're playing is we wanna get away from all that.
I don't think that's a bad idea at all though. There's like no narrative/thematic reasons why any setting outside of a high-school wouldn't work. I get the concept of tradition, but just because it's how things have always been one way, doesn't make them infallible.
yes, changing the setting to a more adult-like workplace is going to sell the game off to a likely bunch of workaholic high school teens...
I despise it when people (like ResetERA) just say, "Make it better" without giving actual tips or advice on specifically what they mean.
Agreed!
"Make personas more interesting as characters"
You literally
EXECUTE them
to fuse personas
Or probably make them say some words before they're executed, like what they do in Devil Summoner where the demons would say something before they're being fused.
@@mahiru20ten Doesn't Arsene say something if you fuse him in p5?
Ya but I do agree with this. I'd be cool.of they themselves were in a way characters
*cough* thats the entire point of the fucking mainline games *cough*
@@mahiru20ten as long as they don't make it like Xenoblade 2
Persona 5, but set in college
Joker: “Let’s go hangout”
Ryuji: “Sorry man, I got homework now, I’ve been taking this college stuff seriously now”
Ann: “I got modeling and homework....”
Yusuke: “I’ve gotta finish 4 paintings by the end of the week”
Makoto: “Shouldn’t you be focused on homework? College doesn’t pay for itself”
Futaba: “I can’t leave until I finish my project!”
Haru: “I’m too busy... I’m so sorry”
Joker: “Ayo how the fuck do I ‘build these social links’, long nose?!?!”
Igor: “Such is the fate of your world, ruin shall come!”
Joker: “But I haven’t even been able to fuse Arsene with Pixie yet....”
Ok, but this is literally the plot of that one episode of the Persona 4 anime
@@dragonheart1236 ah yeah wasn’t it that mitsuo fight?
@@TheBrutalSax yes, i was being vague as to avoid spoilers. I really like what they did with him, as he was definitely the weakest boss in the game, story wise
@@dragonheart1236 I swear, I thought I clicked at the wrong episode lmao. The cut was so sudden from Mitsuo's dungeon to that
Morgana nags you to study instead of going to sleep.
"We need more believable villains."
*Kamoshida would like to know your location*
Kamoshida is the King of the Castle of Lust, ya know, the castle where volleyball players are slaves. Ann is his queen. And each girl is his bitch. He also caused someone to attempt suicide. So yeah, what’s that about him not being a believable villain. AND DON’T EVEN GET ME STARTED ON SHIDO!
@@fresaenelshortcake These are just the Villains you face in P5 too!
What about Adachi, Akechi, Lady Scorpio and Maya?!
Four of the Main Antagonists of their respective games, Each with reasons to be Villains and are Human before they are Villains yet ofc these people are brainlets so they would never play the game and just want everything to fit their politics because they like to bring politics into entertainment and it pisses me off
@@voltaalta1307 I agree with your list of realistic villains except for Akechi. he is a shitty character and a shitty villian. He would have been so much better if the game didn't try to make you feel sorry for him after all the shit he pulled.
Adachi: am i a joke to you
To be fair, Persona 5's villains are pretty shit
"A better localization overall"? "Weird use of honorifics"? It's still supposed to _look_ like Japan, and the character are still supposed to be speaking Japanese (albeit, with very bad pronunciation of names). Honorifics are a huge part of the Japanese language when it comes to referring to someone and showing how close you are to them, like the use of first names vs last names. It just doesn't seem like something so easily scrubbed out without losing that reminder of its setting, the manners/mannerisms of its people, and the easily seen relationship between characters because of it.
Lapis Lazuli This, a character calling you Protag-chan or Protag-kun says a lot about how they feel about you. Mitsuru in particular, when she goes from calling you Lastname-san to Firstname-kun, that is such good storytelling.
"Too weeb."
Also Kasumi calls you Senpai and I don't how that he'll they would've translated that.
I think the reason why they want a better localization is because the cast speak english and yet they say that they don't know how to speak english
I get that weird feeling to when they say i don't speak english with english!!!!
I hope you understand and sorry for the bad english
Dropping honorifics is like calling your teacher by first name instead of calling them Mr. (Insert name here) and it feels pretty disrespectful
“An option to skip dungeons in NG+”
This is the funniest one to me.
I always find the dungeons to be the most hype part of the game. Fusing Personas and buying new items and gear to prepare. I blast the volume on my TV for every boss battle. Negotiating with shadows and enjoying their ridiculous dialogue. Strategically preserving my SP so I can make it as far as possible. The idea of skipping all of that just baffles me. It's by far the most fun part of the game.
Vinny Turtle these people want the game to be a social sim first and an RPG second
NG+ is making it harder but you have the S. Link progress, so what is the point of playing it if you aren't going into the palaces? How is the story going to develop? What the fuck!?
I dunno, in NG+ aren't they already skippable?
> turns difficulty down, equips 99 MA Helel with Megido boost and Victory Cry.
if anything, it should be THE REVERSE. being able to skip confidant interactions instantly because you've already done them and just want to speed through to the endgame would be great.
Imagining Yusuke saying “damn baby” is the funniest shit to me
"Not all the problems should be solved by MC"
*Isn't that the point though?!*
Late as hell but....
I can KINDA see what they means, looking over the span of P3 to P5, some S.link just has characters dropping all there issues onto the MC for no reason than him being the Main Character (I feel that P3 is the worst offender of this mostly due to Minato's personality which should really force most people away from him)
Sometimes, just being support is the best thing you can do for a person and let them work it out themselves. (That's why i personally liked Yukiko's, you offer advice but it was ultimately her choice and you support her)
But i will say P5 handle this issue the best, everyone Akira interacts with, is at first a "You help me, i help you" that turns to genuine friendship
@@narutoboy423 late too, but Yoshida's S Link is the best at this. He messed up his life by himself and fixes it be himself, Ren is just there to chime in from time to time. He doesn't even have a mementos subquest, which is appreciated in this context.
@@Luchux177 And somewhat Mishima, like you go meet his Shadow but then tell it "Help yourself" and have it be solved like real life
@@TechBlade9000 the one thing Mishima does right
persona 5, *all* the phantom thieves solve the problems, not just joker
I’m glad persona 5 was popular and sold well. But at what cost?
Woodsy The costs so far of idiots (what I mean to say are teenagers who have no idea what they are really asking for, kinda like a kid asking for Master Chief from Halo to be in SMASH Bros.) wanting to turn it into a Bioware game but with even more complex dating sim mechanics (because that is their main draw to the series in general and the rest of it to them might seem either unessasary or less important) with shipping elements added in (because of characters being teased to like each other and FE Awakening possibly, and MattPatt trying to pretend to know anything about Persona to get views from his fans who either don't know about it or who do know about it and hoped for a good theory about the games.
"Everything"
Thanos, 2018.
RPG's were originally a niche genre.
Niche = less money
less money = lower budget and lower sales
Not that that's a bad thing. Many great games don't sell well.
As a long time fan of JoJo, My Hero Academia, and Persona, I know a thing or three about how much normies shit up a fanbase
Mokujo *fucking normies, man.*
"Real repercussions for dating multiple characters"
What the F%$& do they mean by that. Do they not want party members to follow orders or something?
Oracle: "Great job Joker! You knocked all of them down at once!"
Noir: "Yeah. You're sooo good at focusing on multiple things at once."
Joker "not this again."
Sounds pretty fun, talking to your harem in a dungeon in p4g sometimes popped something like that, for example mentions how she forgot her socks in Yu's room and it escalates from there
@@rd6547 Yeah there's that but my idea was to take it one step further. For example, you set Ann to Heal/Support half the time she'll function as Act Freely actively screwing you over for doing a harem route.
Sarcastic/sassy Haru is the best thing ever
It doesn't need to be like that but I agree that at least the people IN YOUR PARTY should know who you're dating. The fact that you can date Futaba, Ann, Makoto and Haru (and Kasumi in Royal) and NONE OF THEM notice you're dating the others is kind of nonsensical tbh
@@joaoassumpcao3347 Spoilers for P5 and P5R:
There is a consequense on Valentine's day, if they find out you are dating multiple girls, they beat you up.
The adult cast was already done in Catherine and was awesome. If you want an adult cast, it will be there, not in Persona.
What about Persona 2?
ZenoDLC That too!
Persona 2 says hi
Ziro the fact that people ignore p2’s existence shows that it was not a good idea regardless of if it worked well or not
@@jamilf9947 I think people tend to Ignore P2/P1 more because of a dacade of memes about how the series started at 3.
“Design S-links with the idea of developing your relationship with characters even after reaching the max level..... starting point for a deeper relationship...”
Jesus Christ, just go outside.
My main problem with points like that is:
Have you ever *tried* to 100% the game? Hell, have you, personally ever maxed every confidant in a single run?
No? Didn't think so.
*DON'T MAKE AN ALREADY DIFFICULT TASK HARDER.*
This an't no dating sim
@@thecolorpurple6401 I actually did it in my first run of P5R, and even then, with three runs of vanilla P5 behind me, I ONLY managed to finish them right before the final main game mission. So yeah, I totally agree, trying to add EVEN MORE on top of a task which I barely completed by the skin of my teeth is asking a bit much.
This reminds me of Persona 3. Where to get Orpheus Telos you absolutely HAD to turn Minato, an introverted, but noble hero, into a manslut and a cheater
What a dark days these were...
I don't completely disagree in that aspect. The dating part is like two more confidant levels and then there's no point to seeing them. It would've been cool to add more
Fither and Flair cast Agidyne on ResetEra.
Concentrated Megido Arc with *Smirk*
Fuck that, hit em with a concentrated Morning Star or Armageddon
More like Megidoloan.
I was going to suggest Megidolaon as well, but then I remembered how well Agidyne burns.
3x Luster Candy + 3x Debilitate + Smirk + Concentrate/Charge + GOD'S BREATH!
the protagonist is somewhat there own character too, wouldn't character customization defeat the purpose of that?
@Yasin Syrkett Customized character would work only in a game where the mc is you the player. Although there is no canon mc name in the game, it's still the same mc who will beat kamoshida, who will recruit many party member, there is no option to join the villains, so even though the mc is a blank slate, the design of the blank slate is important to the seriousness of the story, just imagine if you can customize the character, the reason behind mc's persona would be dumb.
There was a hell of a lot of character in Chad Thundercock in the p4 animation
Mikael Virgiawan It’s Ren Amamiya canonically
@@dopdrop8998 Well, from what I have seen it's only canon on the persona 5 the animation, and that's different from the game. If there's a canon name it would appear when you at the beginning of the game and make you choose if you want the Canon name or you want to change it.
Also his IRL or Real name doesn't matter because his "Persona" is Joker . Just like how they deal with MC from Persona 3 & 4 Boss Battle in Persona 5 Royal. They didn't use their name from the animation instead they use S.E.E.S. Boy and Team Investigation Boy.
Mikael Virgiawan But in the canon spin-off games. P5 dancing, persona Q 2, persona 5 scramble, his name is Ren Amamiya. It’s the same with Yu Narukami and Makoto Yuki.
These people just wanted a dating sim with an optional jrpg story.
*a gay dating SIM.
@@joshuagabrielcatindig7607 Im starting to think they want a roblox rp with all of the craziness and overpowered tags like "has cool powers" or some shit
They did this to my favorite series: Fire Emblem. I will never forgive them for this
(In al seriousness, I am not upset that the series is known for this now. It made it popular enough for it to stay alive).
@@chillstoneblakeblast3172 wait please I really hope you just mean the dating sim part (which I mostly agree with) and not the gay thing because I have seen the arguement made that gay options in fire emblem are bad
@@carter1780 I don't have problems with "gay" characters. So far the series has been doing bi with the only fully gay character being more platonic
I think the LGBTQ one was directed at those overly stereotypical gay guys you run into in Shinjuku. Either that or how rude Yosuke was to Kanji throughout P4. However I doubt the people who made this list played anything other than P5.
I bet they didn't play P5 either
Honestly, coming from someone both pan and trans, I see Yosuke's behaviour as high schooler + a lack of proofreading after cutting Yosuke being confirmed bi/gay.
From experience, I myself have done the same before I really understood myself. I projected myself onto others so I could try not to accept who I was out of fear. Yosuke's actions and words parallel a lot of that, and due to his homosexuality being axed late in development, I don't think they'd also want to re-do that many voice lines or they just forgot it.
I REALLY don't get why people who call that Shinjuku Scene a problem can't just accept that not everybody who isn't a Straight Character is a good person
It's not homophobic and a "problem" if two characters are bad and are gay, The same way as it isn't "Cisphobic" or "Heterophobic" if a straight character is a bad guy (Kamoshida as the biggest and most obvious fucking example in the same game people are ranting about doing the same situation of being a "sexually harassin' d bag" as Ryuji says)
Even then it should be completely acceptable to have bad characters who discriminate in games because it gives a reason to dislike them, It also gives a reason for if they improve themselves to matter as they came from a place where you can see they went from something bad to something good (Such as Yosuke's entire development after being sexually harassed by the Shadow Kanji Boss bringing on that whole Phobia and then eventually stopping being so antsy in such a way by the end of the game and fully accepts others even if that entire thing is such a minor arc in the first place lol)
It's such a stupid problem imo, People just focus on the identity of others instead of their character, The literal point of Persona being to focus on people's characters and make friends and grow, These idiots don't get that ._.
@@adachisans5664 with these spergs now harrassing atlus over this scene in Royal, some of thier comments prove they haven't played the fucking game. My favorite is this one:
"wait, there's a teacher that sexually harrasses students in the game? Why the fuck is that in the game? Why the fuck does Japan keep thinking that sexual assults can be comedy?"
I cannot understand why these people get mad about a game they have not and will not play.
@@futab05 People seek things to trash talk around the internet all the time, when the supply is running low they go after things they don't have any knowledge, and Persona 5 was targeted amidst that
When I hear "repetitive dialogue" I think about all the text message conversations that basically boil down to "we should go to the palace".
Those only show up if you haven't completed the palace, so it's not really repetitive when it can be completely avoided by just playing the game.
@@Kingdom850 Nah doing the palace doesnt stop it, because it just becomes "I wonder if the change of heart will happen!".
“Looking Cool Joker”
@Kevnev Katfute "It's almost scary how good I am."
Honestly the only repetitive dialogue I want to hear is "Looking cool, Joker!"
You should be grateful. I guess that's fine. You should be grateful. I guess that's fine. You should be grateful. I guess that's fine. You should be grateful. I guess that's fine. You should be grateful. I guess that's fine. You should be grateful. I guess that's fine. You should be grateful. I guess that's fine.
P5R: Oh hey look we just destroyed Yaldabitch and a new Mementos has appeared. And you can use Goro in the new Mementos.
To be fair I don’t believe P5R is canon, considering how Strikers is a sequel to P5 regular.
@@godofmediocrity7582 in strikers i think they say Sumire had gone 8n another country to Git Gud at gymnastics
You joke but that's the plot of the third semester in P5R
@@LordTyph Annnnnnnnnnnd you missed it
>"Yea we just destroyed Yaldabaoth and now there's a new Mementos that will never go away"
P5R happened...
The new part of mementos has a valid reason to exist. It's really weird as to how it works though, and I'm not spoiling it in comments.
And P5S right
Mementos can never disappear
@@iandavis4213 it's 1 new layer, it's existence is barely a spoiler at all, chill out
@@iandavis4213 If you don't want spoilers I recommend not watching anything Persona related, for example, I could right now spoil the entire plot/new content
"No more equip the right Persona"
What did they mean by this?
"Don't make my game require strategy or decision making"
pretty sure thats not a thing in 5 too XD
"Fuck strategy"
who tf knows
Weaknesses and element types definantly.
Shit man I know they're expendable and I STILL get attached to them. It was heartbreaking to let go of Shiki-ouji after he carried my ass through the second and third dungeons. And siegfried, especially since I've been using him since persona 3. He was my MAN and he held it DOWN.
I couldn't let go of izanagi and titan in persona 4, I had them until I reached the heaven dungeon
Dude Shiki is so based I love my boy
Same, I always keep my first Pixie, no matter what
Skiki ouji was a g, kept him in party the whole game, his resistances 🔥
I have a nasty habit of keeping Personas I like. In P4G, I kept Izanagi all the way to the end of the game. And when playing P5, my first Persona game, I was trying to figure out how to keep Arsene, rather than fuse him with Pixie.
“The velvet room is great but players shouldn’t be spending 30+ minutes at a time in there”
*Please, only 30, at least an hour and a half.*
And THEN you get a freaking fusion accident
@@mystik_owl Save. Before. And. After. Every. Fusion
Yeah ,was about to say.... who the fuck spends only 30? My longest stretch was like 2 hours of different fusions with a fucking spreadsheet document pulled up to see what went where.
_"Give us one with dodge Psy"_
_internal Screaming_
It literally took me like 5 hours to fuse messiah with morning star and Victory cry in persona 3 and it added like 20% to my compedium
53:30 Change it from "MC death = game over" to "MC death = P3 combat". You no longer control your party in this fight, and at the end you are revived to 1 hp. They have their own play styles when AI-ified, and if you are *dating* one of them (not just max confidant), they will also try to revive you. Benefit to dating beyond Christmas and Valentines scenes.
Do not block share function is the only partial good one
Flareb 99 The persona compendium and the option to bring in SL for mini games was pretty good too. I like to see my boy Ryuji swing an actual baseball bat outside the metaverse.
Flareb 99 I feel like Having 1 single adult in the team would also be good. Just one. Example Sae from 5 or Dojima from 4 in a way of Only 1. And i agree with the sahre function partially. Like i want to take a screenshot PLEASE LET ME
Dominik Wozniak A single adult in the team would automically have that adult be the leader. Adults with a job and responsibilities is going to be more qualified and be a better leader than just a random teen. It also does kind of fucks up the friendship dynamic that a group of teens have when they do dumb things when you have someone like sae. On the other hand making the adult to he a manchild is also ridiculous. Persona users at this point are all a bunch of lost teens who have yet to find their place in the world until the protagonist came.
Dominik Wozniak I can see someone just exiting teenhood and just attempting to get used to college life to work. They are still technically adults with their own responsibility but they aren't too deep in to be acting like one. Fist semester to fourth semester student but any higher than than that, and the student would have already gotten used to the grind.
I don't even want to share anything, I just hate the notification window always popping up.
The toggle s rank abilities thing must be about Ryuji’s thing where you ambush an enemy and they go straight to your current personas.
Yeah I can see that being option you want to turn off. But that's the only one I can think of.
gamerprince1999 I did have that worry before I got the ability.
But it only does it for lower leveled personas that hardly affect your level anyways, it really isn't that big of a deal.
Brandon Vu True. And it only happens when you ambush a shadow. If you really want to fight them, you can just attack to start the fight
The only other ability that comes to mind that I would want to disable is Yoshida's "Fundraising," since you can't abuse it like "Diplomacy."
Well, in Royal, it seems like it'll be much more useful by giving you EXP and cash as well as a Persona.
Yusuke saying “damn baby” is my spirit animal.
I always prefer playing as a female character when given the option to, but looking at all the changes that were made to dialogues and stuff in P3 for FeMC, I think it would be even harder to add a female main character in P5, specially in the first palace, that part of the story would probably be very different if Joker was a girl
After a quick look over of the list these aren’t critiques or wants, they’re asking for a “better” video game that has everything in the world that appeals to them. Half of these are just “make the game better in this specific area” not any details, just “make it better”
Chai F. They want the game to pander to them since they don't feel like it does enough. And once you give these kinds of fans who put no thought into how they want to be pandered to what they want, they will undoubtedly as for more and more.
darklordster I didn't know they knew what a vagina was lmfao! xD
That complaint about mature and believable villains with relatable motivations is one I really wanna point out as extra stupid. There are many examples in these complaints of the person who wrote them clearly not actually paying attention to what Persona's writing is going for in the first place and instead they're just bitching that it's not following their own agenda, like the complaint that it follows highschoolers and not adults, which is nothing more than bitching that the target audience of the game doesn't include yourself. However, the one about relatable villains really bothers me, because it highlights the simpleminded nature of a lot of these reviewers and people who give their opinions on games and movies.
They've basically formulated these sort of building blocks for what makes up a good story, and use those building blocks to tell whether or not something is well written, rather than examining the whole to see what it's going for in the first place. Nowadays, a lot of people think that "complex" characters and villains with "relatable motivations" and "moral ambiguity" automatically equate to good writing, and that villains that lack this moral ambiguity are examples of weak writing. This works for a lot of cases, which is why it's used as a building block, but it doesn't account for every story, especially not ones that are more creative and complex in their presentation. In Persona 5, the villains represent a gradual process of the heroes developing their sense of justice. Each villain serves to force them to understand something about what they believe justice is, starting from the point of "Kamoshida's a dick. Let's kick his ass." and eventually reaching cases like Futaba and Sae. Madarame forces them to decide whether or not it's right for them to try to solve other people's problems or help those who don't want to be helped. Kaneshiro forces them to prove their justice by eliminating a known criminal whom none of them had any personal attachment to or grudges against, proving that their justice can punish the wicked where the existing justice couldn't. So on, so on.
All the villains you go after are cartoonishly evil, but they're all adults, and they all give small clues and indications that they were oppressed by others in the past as well, such as Kaneshiro implying that he was conned, or Madarame talking about how he suffered as a poor artist with a miserable life, but they're all so clearly in the wrong that it just comes across as excuses for their insanely evil deeds. But with Sae, she's young. She's between the age of child and adult, and she's suffering from her responsibilities and her lack of income, seeing all her corrupt coworkers succeed by breaking the rules. She's on the verge of committing her first crime and starting on he path that will eventually lead her to be like one of those inhuman monsters you've fought already. You can see Sae struggle between doing what she knows is right and wanting to achieve the success that she's been denied. She's a living representation of the real human that suffered and eventually snapped and took what they wanting through crime that all the other villains before Sae became. That's why Sae represents Envy. The story is using it's sins to imply that all the other villains began with the sin of Envy: suffering from oppression and envious of a better life or fame or money or security or whatever. The game can only make this commentary and demonstrate this whole process of making the bad decision all the way to becoming so warped you're no longer even pitiable anymore since it has both villains that are laughably evil, villains that are not evil, and villains that on on the verge of becoming evil. And by dealing with those obviously evil villains first, it makes the message and complexity of the story more gradual as the heroes slowly start to understand this all themselves. But you can't notice any of that if you're only looking at each individual villain with a single checklist that says "complex villain with relatable motivations" and deciding yes or no to that simplistic question. Building blocks are useful, but to analyze writing, you've got to fucking see the whole picture, not just little bits and pieces.
You also have to look and see what the writing is trying to say in the first place. Villains end up being relatable in good writing because they're presenting a sound argument (or the story is presenting a sound argument for them), but they are still ultimately wrong. A story with something to say is just like a good argument: you argue your own case, but you also acknowledge the opponent's case, but provide reasons why your argument is better, or counterargue the opponent's claims. Just like Adachi, who makes a lot of reasonable arguments that many fans who played Persona 4 agree with him on about the frustration and misery of facing reality and the childish immaturity of the heroes and their beliefs, but the game still ultimately argues that he's wrong, using the experiences of all the core characters throughout the game who have experienced how much better life is when facing the truth. There's no need for a villains motivations or conclusions to be relatable. If the villain is clearly wrong, then that's just proving the point the writing is trying to make. For drama, it can be more entertaining to not know who to root for in some cases, but for storytelling, presenting the arguments of the story is far more important than this fantasy of "relatable villains", ESPECIALLY when the villains are made relatable for no reason other than to make them relatable, such as giving them some bullshit tragic backstory all of a sudden that has no meaning to the plot or themes.
*Looks at corpse party blood drive*
Ok, yeah, trying to make every villain relatable is pretty dumb.
Phosphorescence King first thing i wanna say; i read the whole thing lol. Secondly, i agree. I've been seeing complaints of "p5 villains are too simple, they're just evil for the sake of it" and my rebuttal would be thats EXACTLY the point, they represent some of the darkest most twisted desires ppl in that society can have. But you even added more to that, enlightening me on some of the intricacies in their writing. Thanks for that
Couldn't have said it better. I feel like I always learn something new when I read your Persona 5 analyses, great job dude.
Good write up. Honestly wish I was as good at putting my thoughts into words as you.
Villains don't have to be reliable tragic characters, but they still have to be a characters and not a punchbags to take out your frustration, p5 antagonists are no different from any random asshole, they are primitive and they hold no real value to the main cast progress.
This is just the fact, no one will remember any of those assholes, because that's just what they are, Adachi on the other hand is not, because there's at least something more to him then being an asshole.
53:23" change the format of MC's death = Game Over"
I think this is another point of evidence that they just don't understand game design and game balancing. The MC's in the Persona series, (namely 3,4, and 5, can't verify for 1 or either of P2 games as I've never played them) are OP compared to the other party members. Unlike the rest of the cast, the MC can swap personas and with this comes the ability to change their elemental weaknesses and resists. For example, in P5, if Joker gets hit with an ice attack while Arsene is equipped, Joker takes extra damage, but if Joker is hit with an ice attack while Jack Frost is equipped, he nulls it. Especially when the reward for hitting weaknesses and the punishment for being hit with your weakness is an extra turn. Needless to say, the ability to change what you are weak to is a huge game changer in a game about exploiting weaknesses.
TL;DR due to the MC's ability to change their weaknesses and resists, I think an instant game over when they fall is a fair tradeoff. The way I love to describe the power the MC's have is like this: "the MC has the importance of the King piece in Chess, but has the power of the Queen piece."
Also, I hate that I agree with the comments saying "they want a 100 hour dating sim with an optional JRPG on the side."
This makes sense except on account of Persona 5's enemies having occasional instakill techniques. No one wants to get a random Game Over just because Mudo randomly decided they should. Yakuza: Like a Dragon got around this by giving its protagonist a reraise skill, but I don't know enough about game balance to know if that was overkill or not. Either way, this does need some element of rebalancing.
@@cephalopodman2467 I don't really see the instakills as an issue because there are plenty of way to reduce chances of dying to them. You can use an item called a Homonculus that negates one light or dark instakill. However, Homonculus isn't exactly a common item so maybe you want slightly more reliable results. How about the more common Magic Mirror? It reflects any magic attack, including instakills. But wait, there's more. There's a spell version of Magic Mirror called Makarakarn. It does the same thing, it just costs MP/SP instead of an item. In Persona 5, Haru learns both Makarakarn and the physical attack equivalent: Tetrakarn which earns her a permanent spot on my team imo.
However this all pales in comparison to the biggest way to avoid instakills: your elemental resistance plays a role in the instakill percent chance. By default with no resistance and no weakness, normal instakills have about a 25% chance of hitting. If you or the enemy is weak to it, it doubles to 50%. If the target resists the element, it halves to about 12.5%. If you null, absorb or reflect it, it is a flat out 0%. Once again, it doesn't actually consume the turn to swap Personas mid battle.
All of this applies to Persona 3, 4 and 5. However, for some advice exclusive to P5, when leveling your social links, can get you skills where the party members will tank hits for Joker. While this won't help with party-wide insta-kills, if it will help for single target instakills.
So yeah, fuse some Personas that null insta-kills.
No, it's bullshit
There's a better way to balance it out tho it's super fucking annoying still, maybe for example giving a 3 turn limit to revive the Mc so it gives the group time to revive them and it also can be interrupted so it can be balanced out.
I can rewrite this list in 3 points:
-Make game better
-Add more shit to game
-Make game dating sim
"a toggle option for CERTAIN abilities gained by s-links "
insta-kill. they're talking about ryuji's insta kill. why they didn't just flat out state this baffles me. if they aren't talking about ryuji's insta-kill, i'll eat my hat.
Well contextually hail from Shinya can also be bothersome, but yeah right why are they complaining if it's not for either of those abilities.
This is why Fither is best Waifu.
「Quality」 saying no homo isn't necessary he's just that Divine of a waifu😂😂😂😂😂
Oh shit now I got THE BIG G A Y.
「Quality」 REEEEEEEEEEE
Flair Guy is best waifu >:[
*Sojiro is best girl*
the longer the list went on, the more I've solidified my idea that this was written by a lot of people who love visual novels and think the gameplay elements are getting in the way of their harem or whatever. it's so headache-inducing.
Same. I mean, there are a few ideas that sound to me cool about the combat (probably because the people who wrote those ideas actually care about the combat enough to give suggestions). But if people want a dating simulator, they should buy a dating simulator.
"I'm totally a fan of this series, but they should change the core gameplay, structure, and identity of the series so that it's something far different."
@@bane2201You’d be surprised at how many people like Persona just because it’s a dating simulator with combat :/ it’s one of the more frustrating things about the community imo
@@Gafafsg
I mean... that's why Safe difficulty exists so I'm honestly fine with those people.
“So get rid of Ryuji?”
Shenpai: You WHAT?!
KingLuxion For Real?!
He's not even a pervert too!!
Matthew Stringer barely
Heresy! Heresy of the highest order!
Persona 5: Taxing all Day, Sleeping all Night.
Exciting tax filling gameplay! Intense dreams at night!
Better pacing for dungeons but dungeon pacing is left up to you.
Hmmm, it's almost like they have no idea what they're talking about
Yeah, if you play the game
Persona 4's hollow forest was pretty fucked to go through since there are a fuckload of scripted encounters and the whole area is a labyrinth, so outside of that yeah, pacing is up to you
Concerning the repetitive dialogue, I think they might be talking about Ryuji's "For real!?" and Yusuke's "Very well. I will go along with this."
Edit: Also, I'd very much like to hear Matt Mercer, as Yusuke, say "Damn, baby."
Woah looking cool joker
Literally every single navigator voice line
Reminder that Ryuji doesn't say FOR REAL!? nearly as much as people remember (iirc it's like 47 seconds of for real in the entire game) and it was basically a part of his personality at that point. Like how people have very specific slangs they repeat frequently
I think the only calendar change that would be nice is if weekends/summer break gave you more things you can do during the day (like having “daytime” and “afternoon” instead of just one), since right now weekends and summer breaks just feel like normal days minus school social links
The hidden persona 5 aeon ng+ social link is the cgi student
Considere I knew it!!
I don't know if this is a joke or not
Considere godlike comment
Marie-
99% of this entire list is a dumpster fire. these are opinions of people who are cleary new to persona. hell JRPG in general. would have really helped if whoever made this list explained themselves better.
They clearly know enough about Tales to hate the entire series and parade around that even the best Tales game is worse the the worst game in any other series.
It must have too many lolis in it for them or something.
They don't care about games at all and only want to push a political agenda.
I'd like a spin off game just to see how bad it'd be
At most they’ve played Pokemon and think that they have experienced the entire JRPG genre
The Dark Anime Lord nah i doubt they’ve even played pokemon
"Tone down the excessive handholding"
ResetEra should tone down on the excessive hoverhanding.
7:21 “one for when you sneak up on the enemy, and one for a neutral encounter”
holy shit he predicted Take Over
@@ryka2771 Except it didnt P4G battle theme completely replaced vanilla P4 theme
These people will never get it that Naoto isn't a trans character and that Kanji is at best a bissexual, will they?
Kyriolexical Dino nah, they would have to play the games to do that
Kyriolexical Dino The moment a female character wears something somewhat tomboyish, they label them trans. Feel like people forgot the term "tomboy" is a thing
Hikari Sakishima Them playing the game and figuring things out for themselves? Almost as funny as saying Marie is a good character lol but for real its a shame that they want things but haven’t figured it out. Or ask for things that are nearly impossible. If they want these things so badly, take a course of coding and make your own game. There’s a difference between constructive criticism and saying, “I want more gay” or “I want it not too hard but still challenging”.
Kyriolexical Dino I disagree.
Most people do know that Naoto is not trans, that's why some people (not me fyi) would want an actual trans character, because there isn't one. Same with Kanji, he's not gay, so some people want a gay character, because there isn't one.
Phantom97 We’re not saying there shouldn’t be a trans or gay character. But like Fither said, they have to created that shows that they are more people with complex emotions, thoughts, etc instead of a character trope and them being trans. An example being one of the characters from Mass effect Andromeda. An NPC tells you shes trans but that’s it. No quest line, she isn’t a party member or anything. Sort of a weird example but the point is we should have characters that are people first and sexual orientation second. Again I have no problem with a trans or gay character but have to be well written and have purpose instead of code created for brownie points.
This brings back PTSD flashbacks of when P5 just released and Game Journos where trying to force a controversy when there wasn't one by bringing up complaints from a very few salty fan translators who desperately wanted their own version of translation to be put into p5 by cherrypicking certain lines that most people wouldn't even give a second thought.
Keep in mind these were the same people that defended Fire emblem Fate's horrible localization.
Yeah people like Gideon.
Thanks for mentioning their defense of Fates' lolcalization.
That alone discredits everything they have to say
@@denkerbosu3551
I cant believe they defended fates localization while having the balls to insult the translation for Persona 5 which is honestly the most perfect localization can get.
@Templar Knight Its funny. Plenty of people from _that crew_ are in the persona/Megami Tensei fandom. The ones asking for muh gay/bi representation.
I blame it all on Persona 3 Portable and the FeMC. They just tell good stories, and when they have a lil' bit of what they want ITS NEVER ENOUGH.
All Persona fnas were pleased with the mechanical decisions regarding Persona 5. The story had highs and lows, but the highs compensated plenty for the lows.
Its just from _that crew_ that you will get these """suggestions"""
Sketchy A. That's nothing compared to how kotaku literally wrote an entire article at how offended they were when one of p5 songs said the word "retorted"...
"Don't shy away from actually tackling the themes you bring up." What game did you play? Cause that's not Persona 5 .
@Mr. Perezident Even though I haven't made it very far in the game, agreed.
Literally 3's and 4's themes are core essentials to the game's entire storyline. Not tackling theme leaves you with a game with no substance
they probably watched the anime
Yes they tackle the themes they bring up, but in the most surface level possible. And I mean, with Kanji they brought up gay themes and then.... did nothing with them... but that's the exception not the rule.
I didn't realize how much I needed a game that went deeper into its themes until I played Shin Megami Tensei Nocturne. Holy fuck was that game amazing. But it comes at the cost of having less themes brought up overall. Now I get why SMT elitists trash on Persona as a poor spin-off. I don't agree, but I understand where they are coming from.
@@elk3407 I mean, Kanji's gay stuff made sense to be thrown aside because his whole deal was acceptance and not necessarily him being gay (he's bi btw), and being accepted by the investigation team solved one side of it, while his SL solved another one. But I agree that if you didn't do the SL (like I didn't first time lol) it seems like it's just oh he had problems oh he fine now I guess. Though I guess that's a problem these games have overall with the SLs/Confidants, because they seem to be their own world and don't change most main story interactions even when they should.
I'd say that, out of all the 3 neo-persona games, 5 is the one that deals with their themes in the most surface level possible, because they tried to be "mature" but just showed how little substance there actually is to it. The problem imo is the need to have 20 something SLs because of the Arcanas, which thins out the interactions. I'd be much better to ditch some less important Confidants to better merge the cast's side arcs with the main plot, and if you wanted to include all the Arcanas it could be a cool idea for them to change depending on how you tackle a certain subplot, like with that one SL of P4. So imagine if you start a confidant with, say, the Priestess arcana, and depending on how you help the person, it can either become a level 10 Priestess and give the signature Persona OR change to the Star midway through. Hell, maybe breaking the confidant would trigger an alternate ending to that Confidant instead of being inconsequential and a time waste. That would allow characters to be thoroughly explored, with the player's input counting for something. There's still a lot of untapped potential in this whole system, I just hope Atlus explores it.
I think the “problem” with the villains is that when you see everything from the villains perspective, you aren’t really. You’re seeing it from the shadow’s perspective, the dark side, the side that doesn’t have a buffer. What I mean is that the shadows don’t try to cover up any parts of their personality, therefore leading to the “cartoonishly evil” problem. In persona 4, it worked the same way, anyone who saw the shadow would be let in on all of the person’s deepest secrets, to a ridiculous extent.
Isn’t that literally the point though? Aren’t they supposed to be super mostachue twirling levels of evil?
@@PokeBattlerJaze Actually, now that I think about it, under the mask, they really have no redeeming qualities
"don't shy away from actually tackling the themes you bring up" Nani I think this list was made about someone who didn't play the game and just read news articles
*YOU SHOOT GOD IN THE FACE*
well I guess it's the body actually, but still
As a gay guy, and i see where the cries for representation are coming from. I would love to date a guy in persona, and jun in persona 2 was refreshing and tbh one of the best examples of a gay relationship in a game. But... i really dont want stuff tacked on either, because that leads to half hearted, empty characters. Like... i dont want to date ryuji/any other straight characters because thats not who he is. (Yusuke, potentially could like The Guys) But again, having Token Gay Character is just insulting. So its really a matter of integrating it naturally and writing them well, so i can see where both sides are coming from
Ryuji is basically confirmed to be straight. You can make a joke to him on Valentine's Day where he offers to give you chocolate, and you call it a confession. He doesn't like the joke, so yeah, pretty sure Ryuji is straight.
ShadowErus and even if atlus did add gays into the game the community will still bitch and complain about "WELL WHAT IF I WANT TO DATE BOTH MALE AND FEMALE CHARACTERS!?!"... So where's my bisexual representation atlus!?! Smfh. It's just never awkward enough with romance, now they gotta worry about appealing to ppl with different sexualities, which shouldn't even be the primary focus of the game...
Fun fact: Yusuke is 100% straight. Look at the events in P5D. The dude likes girls.
He is just a wierd one.
I agree with this sentiment completely. I'd rather just have no gay/bi representation than to have it poorly done or forced in and to have it take away from the games quality as a whole.
Lemonov Nah! Yusuke's favorite girl is art. Art is a gold digger that will lead him to a career with no future and be broke and homeless like that npc that sells art out on shibuya, I think...
11:04 I don't know why people complain about that.
Finishing a palace and having free time to just chill and do whatever you want is one of the most satisfying parts of the game.
Late to the game comment:
- College is pretty chill in Japan. Entrance Exams suck balls but once you're in, you are in. It is generally thought of as the time students get to experiment, socialize and take it easy before entering the work force.
- I always thought of the protagonist as their own character and not just a stand in for the player, like you plenty of choices to determine how your MC acts but they also have plenty of things that are set in stone about their personality (P3MC is spacey, P4 is straightforward, P5 is a bit playful and a showoff)
- Pervert Party members? Ryuji? This is a high school boy and he isn't even pervy, Like the biggest things were him saying "Dammm" seeing some of the girls in their outfits for the first time and him chickening out renting a maid. I don't get this one. P5D is the biggest pervert out of all the party members
But yeah this list was really bad.
nickkuroshi0 I don’t understand the pervert party member considering *Every dude in the game does that* see the Futaba palace cutscenes or Morganas weird lines in momentos
@@tsarthesecond1018 Saying that every dude in the game does it is more re-framing the scope of the problem but I get ya. For the party in particular however, the P5 boys are pretty tame and are a lot more sensitive to girls. Morgana is the odd man out but I more attribute that to him being portrayed as a precocious kid rather than a high school aged man.
Repetitive dialogue is a legit complain in some spots. Why does Futuba, a character you HAVE to use as navigator, only have one line of dialouge for Joker, a character you have to use, whenever he knocks something down (read: multiple times in a row every fight for the entire game, NICE ONE JOKER!...NICE ONE JOKER!...). There's a reason "LOOKING COOL JOKER" is a meme, as morgana has the same problem.
That's a problem with jrpgs in general and yeah they could change that.
I THINK THAT ENEMY...
GOT THE POINT
Altough I got to say I liked the dialogues in PQ. There Characters comment on there enemys, Bosses and the state of there teammates. Fore example if you have both Aigis and Koromaru in the party and Koromaru gets defeated Aigis says "I will fight fore Koromaru san".
If You have Ken in the party in that scenario he says "You wont get away with that animal abuse"
Ore if you encounter certain Shadows Ken says "I am not afraid of Lions" ore "A Samurai huh. Sure looks intense"
Now I almost always had the same Party but even so I really like how specific the partymembers comments where.
But yeah in P5 the Navigator gets slightly annoying. I got used to it so its really a minimal Issue fore me but just giving the option to turn of the navigator comments would solve that problem.
GO SENSEI, YOU KNOCKED THEM DOWN!
Welp some times repetitive dialogue is good, take "it's a fine day with you around" or " *STOP! YOU VIOLATED THE LAW!* " for example, it's make some memorable moments on the game
I can actually related to adachi alot because i moved to a small town and its excruciatingly boring.
Tristan Coward dont... Dont shake any weird gas station attendants hand, alright?
Also living in a rural area. Completely understand him
sofakingimmature I hate cities. Too many noisy people. I don’t get the appeal besides the attraction spots. All I see is a bunch of wasted space for wasteful people to go be as irresponsible as they please. And not to mention, most city dwellers are INCREDIBLY obnoxious.
I live in a rather loud and populated and I really feel like I would enjoy a more quiet rural town, losing the convenience would be rough though
same here
Putting aside the 'Naoto-Sexual' joke regarding Kanji, it kinda flies in the face of his character for him not to be straight in canon, as one of his big issues that caused his dungeon and shadows to be what they were in game was his complex about being a guy doing and liking traditionally girly things like knitting, mixed with his confused feelings about Naoto, who had been trying to hide her gender at the time, to form everything.
Being gay flat out takes a dump on it.
And oh dear god, do not get me started on the 'naoto is trans' thing, since both 4 and 5 make no secret of the issues of being female in a male dominated workspace. The whole thing on being made a man wasn't meant to symbolize Naoto wanting to be a dude, it was to symbolize her desire for some easy 'out' that would make her be accepted by her colleagues.
Sorry if this is all annoying, these debates kinda get to me.
Naoto believed it was her only option in order to be accepted. She was wrong of course, but her concerns are warranted especially in the traditionally patriarchal Japan. Even in the west, there is proof of female employees being treated differently as well as statistics showing they are paid less on average.
On a somewhat related note, people don't want politics in games, but all games incorporate political commentary; the concepts of *good* and *evil* are themselves politically motivated, since *good* is defined by the laws and morals of society. It is only when the politics are "preachy" (which I can understand) or when they disagree with the stance (in which case, get over it) that they find issue. Yet most of the time it is still framed as general politics being in a game at all.
I feel this exact same way about Chihiro from Danganronpa. A lot of people say he's trans, but he's not. He dresses like and pretends to be a girl because people kept making fun of him for being feminine looking. He does not actually have any transgender feelings.
I agree with you here
I'd take Kanji to be straight, maybe even lowkey bisexual, but definitely not gay. It goes against his character arc of toxic masculinity rearing it's ugly head in Kanji's interests. In fact, just stating he's solely gay tends to annoy the hell out of him, because he doesn't recognise himself that way. If someone isn't gay and says as such, it's even more offensive to say they simply MUST be gay. Same way with stating gay folks must be straight.
And Naoto is blatantly not a trans character. I don't even need to explain myself, it takes nothing to find out that this is the case.
Preach, brothers, preach. You guys have the right of it.
37:30 no joke: I think a milder version of this would’ve been a good idea.
Obviously you can’t have the entire storyline change because of one social link or anything, but I think the game would’ve improved quite a bit if the occasional scene had a certain variant for if you romanced a character/achieved a certain rank in a certain social link/ made a certain choice during a certain rank up.
There are like 2-3 scenes where a character reacts differently if you romanced them (or even less, depending on the character) , but it didn’t feel nearly enough.
An example I came up with while playing the game was that if you romanced futaba, then during a certain moment in sojiro’s rank 10 the sweat drop symbol should’ve appeared on the MC. Or potentially there should’ve even been a dialogue choice afterwards with like 30 seconds of additional conversation depending on your choice
Yeah, like the Hawaii "what do you like in a girl" convo could be changed, instead of all the options leading to Ann (I still hate that little detail).
You mean like how there were alternate versions of some social links in P4?
So, this guy basically wants to turn Persona into a Bioware/Bethesda RPG. If I wanted that, I'd play a fucking Bioware/Bethesda RPG.
All I could think from this list glad I'm not the only one who thought that
Skimatics Where do you think they got said ideas for the list?
The funniest part? BioWare dug its own hole, and Bethesda can't leave TES Online and Skyrim Remasters. Yeah, surely Atlus will want to follow the same path.
Wait wat wrong with bioware rpgs they are amazing 2 , minus the shit they put out recently
+Dxsmp Nothing, but that isn't what Persona is.
Obtain demons through gacha?
In Pokémon and Persona 1 you can get pokémon and items used to obtain personas by buying them in the casino.
Shuffle time in P3 and P4 is the closest thing to obtaining personas through gacha.
Joshua Serrano I'd gladly take trading personas so I can actually fucking get the treasure demons without accidentally killing them.
Obtain personas via Microtransactions?, Gambling?, Having sex with a confidant?
@@salvatration3704 how do you accidentally kill a treasure demon?
@@valydendor4472 Being overleveled on NG+.
"Make personas more interesting as demons/characters"
In other words, "I couldn't be fucked to play an SMT game 🙃"
This video, sarcastically: "yeah we just killed Yaldabaoth, but now theres a new mementos"
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Maruki in The Royal: 🤔🤔🤔
Hahahahaha
Spoilers
Yeah just make another 3 extra lines so you dont spoil it to someone hasnt played till the 3rd semester scrolling through the comments
Saw the thumbnail and thought "this doesn't really look all that bad. Sure the expand the soundtrack point sounds dumb since there are already enough great tracks in the game and it's not as if the DLC costumes are expensive or anything. The customization and more persona's thing doesn't seem all that necessary though" Then I actually watched the video. Hooooooooooooooooooooooo boi
...Sojiro?
You just saw some shit
I feel like these people don't seem to understand that we almost didn't get a Persona 5. Atlus' parent company went bankrupt partway through the development of the game. The only reason Persona 5 was released was because Sega bought the studio. We were lucky to get anything and Atlus still gave us a near masterpiece.
Better pacing is what people say when they want to sound smart about media, but have no idea what they are talking about.
The villains all have a reason for why they are evil. Even Kamoshida was abused himself and is continuing on the cycle.
Japanese games don't adhere to the same morals as western culture promotes because the Japanese have a different culture.
This localization thing always pisses me off when I see people complain about. Japanese is a language where your hierarchy is very important. The same is true about French and Russian. You can tell these people don't speak any language besides English if they are making the claim that honorifics aren't important.
Isn't there already a bunch of stuff to unlock in New Game+ ?
I am starting to think that this person has never played a JRPG is and assumes that they should be like Western RPGs.
There already is an option to skip dungeons. It is called safety difficulty. Playing on this difficulty allows you to just run through the dungeons without even trying.
Allowing you to bring more than one person to an event exponentially increases the amount of dialogue and scenes that need to be written. And I am emphasizing the words EXPONENTIALLY INCREASES.
Fallout New Vegas (as you guys said) is the best way of handling gay people. Veronica is a lesbian, but she is in no way defined by that and is a character on her own. I mean her first line in the game is a joke about how good she is at punching people. You could go the entire game without ever realizing that she is gay. Literally the only time she tells you about it is when you yourself ask her to tell you what her past is like.
The texting thing in Persona 5 is how I actually hangout with my real life friends. Unless we have a reservation somewhere, we never really plan what we do in advance.
I hate it when enemies scale with the player. Bethesda is the worst offender here because leveling up in Skyrim was basically pointless because it just spawns harder enemies.
"they have no idea what they are talking about"
Sums up pretty much the whole article.
"Even Kamoshida was abused himself and is continuing on the cycle."
Wait really?
Clashman The Third
Ya, it was subtle, but when Kamoshida admits his guilt he said the same thing happened to him.
Thank you. They are japanese students going to a japanese school, living in a japanese city.
I expect them to be fucking japanese, and talk like them, and such. This is why localization can be cancer.
@@denkerbosu3551 It's not a big deal. But it still wouldn't hurt to get rid of the honorifics, it is being translated to english after all.
Im guessing the repetitive dialogues is talking about..
*_Looking cool joker_*
I though they were refering to those really repetitive moments like when you finish the kaneshiro palace
-kaneshiro tells you about black mask guy
-you return to the real world and everyone's like "omg did you hear that? Black mask guy"
-you return home and your cellphone rings, is the group chat and they talk about how dangerous the existance of black mask guy is and that they should talk about it the next day
-next day you wake up and hold a meeting where the group chats about black mask guy
That's just annoying and it happens more than once
Even though I agree that’s probably what the point was, I still find it funny how I can get multiple criticals as Ann in a row, making Morgana spam “YOu’Re sO GoRGeoUs pAntHer” over and over again. But somehow Ann is totally oblivious to the fact Morgana likes her.
For real
@@mauroramondo5855 i honestly thought it was about all the flashbacks that repeat dialogue 30 seconds after it happens
It’s funny that some of the good ones on this list actually made it into Persona 5: Royal
According to the video makers, none are good. They must be livid at parts of Royal, or hypocritical if they liked it.
@@PathBeyondTheDark Did you watch the video? There were tons of points where they say "yeah, that's fair" or "yeah, I wouldn't mind that".
Even the blind squirrel can find a nut sometimes.
@@Modernnerdishpeople even a broken clock is right twice a day
@@PathBeyondTheDark most if not all of the good points on that awful list were literally already a thing in previous persona games, and/or were obvious improvements that even fither and flair agreed with. Then again, you probably haven't actually watched the entire video...
Its kinda hard to listen to this. I'm really not that judgy, but the pure amount of bad ideas per line are coming quicker than I can deal. Like if I'm in a batting cage and the ball shot from an interval of 15 sec to 2 sec
"Post game extra contents"
...So you want P5 "true version" a la P4 Golden... ...Despite that not making sense with the story as it is right now...
Seriously, did these guys think that P5's story is just done because the original version is out? You KNOW Atlas is going to make at least ONE more version right? That it would make no financial sense for them not to?
GamerFalcon they've done it for every persona, even one and two.
Yep, I was using P4 Golden as the general sense of what these guys want for the post-game content, like the whole extra dungeon stuff while keeping all your levels and the like, rather than an additional story mode like P3 FES.
I'm from the future and I'm here to tell you you're right
Persona 5 The Royal
*laughs in royal*
Seems to me that they just want Persona to become more "western" This is what always puzzeled me about these kinds of people. Atlus is a Japanese developer who primarily develops games with Japanese fans in mind. Why is it so hard for them to understand this? These might be considered """""improvements""""" By your average western casual gamer but i can guarantee you that 90% of those would be considered downgrades by Atlus' ACTUAL target audience aka Japanese gamers.
They are merely suggestions. Calm down there buddy.
@@PathBeyondTheDark Resetera called, they want you to come back
@@sebotrp Considering I never heard of them till about an hour ago, maybe i'll visit for the Luls.
@@PathBeyondTheDark Newsflash, some suggestions are absolutely worthless and should not be taken seriously.
exactly bro, the whole lgbtq and social link stuff and themes in the persona series that people want is only for the benefit for the west and they forget that Japan doesn't care as much as these people. If i were Atlus i would try to make my main country fans happy instead of the complete other side of the world fans happy
For the “extra contents that you can play after the last boss” part, I feel like that is a good idea to an extent. Having stuff you could do between the final boss and the time where the MC has to leave would be cool. Dungeons definitely wouldn’t fit though, but extra optional content like hanging out before the end would be cool. It’s not a big deal though, since stuff like that probably wouldn’t have an impact gameplay-wise.
Also, this reminds me of Persona 4 Golden, where the last part is a post-timeskip meeting of the group and how everyone is doing. I really enjoyed that ending.
"More believable and mature villains with relatable motivations"
Persona 5's villains barring Akechi are supposed to be charicatures, not real people. They are personifications and totally un-justifiably evil that drives home the point of Persona 5 are that these people are BAD and not supposed to be real people. It fits with the themes of society is corrupt and you're supposed to rebel against them. It's clear that they're not supposed to be realistic and that improves the overall theme of the game. I HATE when people miss the entire point of the villains in P5
mmm i see where they're coming from tho. i'd rather have cool villains with thought provoking motives rather than the usual "y u do dis" "cuz i am THE BADDIE" "OH SHIT HE'S THE BADDIE" "YES! I AM THE BADDIE!"
@DevilBuster Kaz the next villain of the persona series will be some guy who stole a candy bar when they were young or some shit
@@enzito_sdf6978 There's absolutely cool villains with thought provoking motives, Maruki is exactly that. And they aren't *that* bad. Some might come as that because they're supposed to be twisted, Palace Rulers are the embodiment of persons twisted side. That's why Palace Sae is so drastically different compared to her real self for example.
Make personas more interesting as demons/characters
Just play nocture
Golden City I bet they have not done so speficially because they heard it was really really hard, and doubt they would enjoy it if it is too hard for them.
I love Nocturne
@@GearGearRingLeader and they would rant on it because of way too difficult. All theyre gonna rant is add a safe mode for the game
KittyPlayz Games they did the same thing for hollow knight and cup head 🤦♂️
@@abslzero you predicted the easy mode DLC
“Evolves negotiations” we already have a perfectly good horse, we don’t need a camel
If they want complex negotiation, then they can just play a mainline game
Persona 5 leaned so far into it's theme, Micheal Jackson would be impressed. (For for that matter Smash Bros. Did a damn good job of capturing it too)
all the complains in a nutshell *pretty much make it like P3P*
GFC Caius make P5P and make it digital only for PSPGO...
aka "make it worse"
Me: I don't have time for 1 hour videos!
*Fither uploads a new 1 hour video*
Me: Ooh, a new Fither!
Monado Ace [The Avatar] Accurate
35:50 No, I disagree. I don't want the "enemy insta-kill upon ambush" ability on all the time. It makes me not get any money and EXP.
Nomad94 P5R slowly sneaks up onto you...........
P5R made this ability one of the best tbh
@@user-garnet You could kinda do this in vanilla P5, but you had to be at least 5-10+ levels above the rest of the enemies in the dungeon and have a full persona repertoire with you (not the compendium, I mean).
However, I don't know if this is only applicable to Normal mode and harder because I only did this with Easy.
You've got SMT4 or Apocalypse, where you could get the "fuck off" ability where any enemy 5 levels below you runs away. And I think that can be expanded to 10 or 20 levels. It's worth noting that the trick in P5 doesn't work for SMT4+A doesn't work since the enemies without the "fuck off" ability will still try to jump you, and the mechanics are different.
>"more believable and relatable villains"
>kamoshida is literally based on a real gym teacher
do you relate to him?
@@stea20 no but he is believable considering the point i brought up
And Madarame on a real japanese artist.
And Shido on literally every big politician in the capitalist world
If they are refering to the big bads, then: 1. They are gods who treat humanity like toys. 2. They believe that their actions are the right actions and don't take no for an answer. Any one can relate to having a person in power who enforces their way of doing things as the only way, be it family members, teachers, employers, etc.
@@joaoassumpcao3347 shido's entire character is a dig at the person who was prime minister of japan at the time (his name escapes me now)
This list is the most basic bitch list of complaints I could've ever seen. They aren't very targeted, or explained, and almost nothing relates specifically to Persona. It's basically a list of things people have heard is good so they thought "Let's just say Persona should have this stuff."
Basically:
*P5 MC kicks legs up on desk*
"Morgana, I order you to go to the movies with Ryuji... And continue hanging out with him until he falls in love with you, at which point you are to turn him down, and fall in love with Yoshida. Then, Yoshida, Ann, and I will go to the movies and have a 3-way polygamous relationship."
Good thing literally everyone is bisexual and nobody actually has any tastes of their own! Everyone is a puppet that we get to choose the romantic tastes of! /s
Zach Halepeska Fire Emblem.
@@Samm815 Even that comparison doesn't completely work, as outside of Avatars, everyone cannot romance or support with everyone.
Zach Halepeska yeah how dare people of a different sexuality want to express themselves in a game
jwadd01 oh shut the fuck up libtard
@@Samm815 its worse. Its fucking Fallout 4. I guess radiation made everyone bi there.
In Royal a lot of these came true and they turned out well, but it pisses me off because these people are going to take credit for things like Maruki.
On the music subject: Last Surprise for the enemy sneaking up on you & neutral confrontation, & Take Over when you sneak up on an enemy. That would be neat
That's actually exactly how it works.
Wait.... that’s what they did tho
That's what they did with golden and recently ruby
@@Big_Boi_Official this was 4 months ago lol
@@loserbeam2780
*Royal