For what its worth, gold dots come in 62 grain as well. Problem is, gold dots are imfamously loaded mildly. Federal fusion msr is the same bullet, but loaded hotter. Federal is coming out with a tipped fusion. Id love to see reviews on its terminal ballistics and see how my 18" can grouo them.
I inherited a Styer-Mannlicher SL Varmint from my father that was a work of art... double set trigger, hammer forged fluted barrel (the flutes were actually spiral forged in)... beautiful carving on the stock. That thing was capable of printing a dime-size group at 200 yards. Had it up until it was stolen (along with my gun safe) 12 years ago) I wonder how it would have performed with some these choices? My father and I were (are?) reloaders, and he had already ginned up his tack driver round when he was still PCS in Germany. Man, I wish he had lived longer. He would be flabbergasted by how far firearms technology has come in 25 years. (not only firearms, but pretty much everything else) Please keep up the good work!
Great discussion (because I agree with everything you said 😉 ). In my own limited testing I found that the M855 is not only inaccurate, it performed very poorly through windshield glass and not that well through automotive sheet metal. I settled on the 64 and later 62 grain Gold Dot.
I was surprised to see Fort Scott mentioned. They are my go to for rifle rounds. They have a 45 gr loading as well. They also partnered with Maxim defense and created tui ammo specifically for short barreled rifles. I’d like to see someone test the G9 defense barrier blind hollow points. I love G9’s pistol ammo
Great video, i love when you do ammo selection videos. Your knowledge is appreciated, i personally have run the federal fusion in my AR for home defense for awhile now, glad to see it on your list. I would like to get some speer gold dots but for some reason they are extremely rare in my area. Also like the lil bits of extra infor like the federal 64gr sp, just happen to have some of those!!
Great over all explanation and overview of some of the best cartridges on the market for the 5.56 platform, in both the short barrel and DMR style rifles... I come from a similar background, which gave me the opportunity to test and field most of these loads. I initially discarded any interest in the 300 Blackout when it first came on the scene, but after some lengthy investigation found it had substantial merit for an entry gun... Say 12.5" barrel. With this size, you can run Hornady CX 110 gr projectiles at 2,335 fps. , which brings just a little more to the game when compared to the 5.56 heavy's in the same barrel length, and I have tried the Lehigh Defense 110 gr Controlled Chaos projectile also, for some interesting wound capabilities . With that said, I think the Blackout is better suited to thise that can get the most out of it through Hand Loading, specific to their platform... thanks for the great information and sharing your knowledge about these great loads for use in the 5.56 platform...👍
I love how several different loads perform from 12" 6.5 Grendel. Everything from close range work to busting cinder blocks, hunting, then reaching out to long range.
I only found you a couple days ago and have been eating this up. You're a data nerd like me, and I'm loving it. Kinda wish you had a publicly available and queryable database for all your stuff. (I'm neither asking nor expecting you to produce one, just wishing "out loud". Take it as a form of admiration for the knowledge you've got in that wonderful brain of yours.)
The most accurate green tip I've ever used was PMC x-tac. As far as load spec goes it may not be as hot as "real" M855 ......you are right though brother- I'm not arguing AT ALL. It's just in my 13.7 SOLGW and my buddies 16" POF gas gun it shoots better than regular M855. I just noticed last weekend. We were at 85-90 yards and laying prone and I found some in my bag and we both shot a group for morbid curiosity during other load testing lol. We were pleasantly surprised when my gun shot .1.190ish and his POF shot it like 1.100ish. That not good by any means BUT it was way better than most M855. Just putting it out there in case someone has some or needs to shoot it for some reason.....it was only about half as bad as normal M855 through our guns. Hell my 13.7 throws like 3 + inch groups with the federal green tip. Winchester and Privi green tip too.
@@unclefreedom213 i think it was Andrew on the arfcom Channel that did gel block testing on m855a1. He was using really short barrels and still getting crazy results in gel, those tests are what made me decide to go ahead and buy some. M80a1 pops up on tacswap sometimes,there is a 100 round belts with tracer very 3-4 rounds for 550 on there right now. Not sure i want 100 rounds but 10-20 would be cool. I don’t have a larger 30 cal rifle than a 308 but pulling the bullets for something like that might be worth the investment lol.
Thank you. I love doing it and I've had some great requests. That's where this video came from as did the Phlster video. I'm also going to looking at the Kore Essentials battle belt and tenicor zero belts all at thw requests of viewers
I wouldn't mind a .300AAC/BO version of this video. As I prefer my .300 as a GPR as it's my best build to date with everything I wanted and no trade off component wise due to $$.
Interesting! I’d never thought about this issue. This is critical in WROL! I thought green tips were good for this kind of thing, but these are better.
watching this again and wondering how that Ft Scott stuff does in hunting applications for things like boar. If I understood correctly, it penetrates hard things (auto glass / pig chest plates) and tumbles once it hits soft tissue on the other side, right?
I recall reading that SEALs liked running 77gr Mk262 in their 10.3” Mk18s. I seem to remember that it was about longer dwell time for reliability in cycling the weapon, but that it also had good terminal ballistics at close range. I am not a ballistics nerd, so could you weigh in on this? I’ve got a stash of 77gr IMI for my 10.5” gun, and am wondering if I should reconsider this- I’ve only used it for punching paper thus far…
I have solid coppers 62 and 70 from Barnes also hunting rounds as you mentioned . I use imi 77 razor cores all my barrels are 18 0r 20 with scopes ..... I agree m855 sux but pmc 855 is more accurate 2.5 and 2 inch groups ... I use superperfomane and fort Scott a lot keep several hundred in load out .... All so use 308 in static positions .....
Great video. What is your preferred cummerbund round? I can shoot green tips at 500 yards with a 6x optic on 6" steel consistently in low wind conditions. I also have the ability to carry 9x30 round mags on me without taking a second mortgage out on the house :) For me its performance vs cost. I have 220 rounds of 855a1 left. Both my ARs hate it. I may gunbroker it all.
AWESOME.....yeah...lots of good info and this time I was taking notes. Yeah I do have a stash of the 855 stuff, but I guess I'll have to invest in some better rounds. Thanks!
Have you ever tested any of the Armscor 55 and 62 grain psp? I’ve tested a lot of the cheaper soft points like ppu and even silver bear but never tried the armscor. Only $.50 a round so if it works that would be a good option if you are on a budget. My go to is the 64 grain power shock. It’s running about $1 a round now but I loaded up on it a few years ago on sale for $12.99 a box.
Nd55664 is also a trophy bonded bear claw. It is a 64 grain boat tail tbbc loaded to 5.56 pressure. Problem is the 'nd' indicates its 'not for duty use' for one reason or another, and its inaccurate as hell doing 5 and 6 moa groups out of the same rifle that did ~2 moa groups with federal fusion msr a moment before.
As a fellow ballistic nerd, check out Jeff Siewert 'Ammunition Demystified' The (non) Bubba's guide to How Ammo Really Works. I'm building a new upper w/ Criterion core 18in 223 wylde. w/ CMT's new rail with Arca Swiss on the bottom. Will be trying out your suggestions on ammo. Thanks for the knowledge & stay safe out there.👍🏽
Good topic. I'll be watching this again. I wish I could put my hands on some of the Gold Dot 75gr projectiles for loading. Although I did managed to get a fair bit of the 62gr Gold Dot to load.
@unclefreedom213 very informative video. Been trying to find something like this for a while. Most only worship the idea if carrying a single type round. But I feel that like "Shotgun rounds" there is a tool for every job. Been wanting to see someone push the idea that if you had 6 magazines in a carry bag, 1 would carry barrier breaching ammo, 2 would carry close quarter defensive rounds, and the final 2 would be expanders that would give you both distance and penatration. Would this line of thinking have credibility to live defensive scenarios? (If it could be mentioned in a future video).
@@legacyri3995I think that would cause the need to rezero quite often. You can always put witness marks on your turrets for each round but it still takes time.
Another great video! How would rate 5.56 TAP 70Gr CX as far as best application/rifle length? I was able to pick up three boxes figured they were good but unsure how well they’ll run with my 13.9
I am curious what barrel twist do you like to use often ? For me its 1:8 and does the twist rate make a difference on the barrel length ? Where I live at most of the time I only see 50, 55, 62, 75, and 77 grain compared to the other uncommon grains.
1:7 and 1:8 will stabilize anything 1:9 can but you need a longer barrel. Most of my stuff is 7 or 8 twist. I can stabilize 77gr tipped match kings in a 10 inch barrel in a 7 twist and in an 8 twist I've had good stabilize in a 12.5 and up
Also I mentioned it in the live chat but anyone looking for some bonded soft points sgammo has the Winchester ranger 64gn in stock a 64 grain nosler bonded and another I’ve never heard of called blue line ammunition, it’s a bonded 64gn and $.98 a round or if you get 200rds it’s $179.
Have you ever considered a video on non traditional weapons in a shtf situation? A lot of people have inherited 3030s lever guns, 30.06 bolt guns, skss, mini-14s, shotguns, etc. It interests me cus a lot of my buddies have nothing but hunting rifles and are too stubborn to get any of them tAcTiCoOl ar 17s cus you don’t need that for a deer. Lol. I mean 30.06 hunting rifle at range isn’t bad, but none of my buddies are trained snipers either.
Would like your opinion, I have plenty of 62gn GD to load for my 12”. Should I load the Fusion velocity or a little hotter, and or just the most accurate load?
personally with that barrel length. I would look at some faster powders 10X, VVN133, Benchmark reloader 7 So i can pressure spike early getting a more complete burn and less flash from the 12.5. Basically tailor that to perfection with the rifke
262 is a terrible barrier round super accurate but match rounds are really bad through barriers. The 262 is solid all the way down to 10.3 with good terminal if you're not shooting through barriers
@@unclefreedom213 I forgot to mention use case. I meant gen purp, not barrier performance. More like best for most usual uses. I totally agree with your info in the video.
I'm planning on it. I have the I believe 62gr and 75gr coming from what I know they are very Varmint round like. But to be honest a 75gr Varmint round would be kick ass
M855 is 3 MOA ammo I don't know why that's a surprise to anybody. If you want accurate ammo 75 grain Hornady jacketed hollow points you could get 79 grain Black Hills you could get any number of actual Precision Ammo m855 is made for fighting it's not inaccurate it's exactly as accurate as it's supposed to be
Actually 855 was designed to penetrate a ruskie steel helmet at 400 yards or so from the M249 SAW. It was never supposed to used in the M16 let alone the M4. It's a less accurate round by design which cover pretty hard in ammo consideration. It's very important to understand what your rifle will do with terrible ammo
@unclefreedom213 what are you actually-ing? It's not accurate, but it's known the made to penetrate Russian helmet thing is not true it was made to penetrate a certain thickness of cold rolled steel there's definitely not a piece of paper out there that says that is one of the requirements of m855 . I'll still hit every single thing I shoot it no matter what distance
I bought a bunch of the 75 gr black tips they made for AAC and have been making some good loads with them,,I got a lot of 70 gr tsx I make also but I can't afford to have hundreds of thoes..I was lucky enough to get some 64gr nosler solid base soft points fro midway as seconds before thoes were bought up,,that's about the only bonded lead core I have right now to play with..
Respectfully i dont think your right about the 64 grain federal powershok. I have both and the the powershock is supposed to be plain cup n core while tbbc is solid copper base and bonded on the front. Ones 64 grain the other 62 and they have different ogives. Not the same bullet
Mr. Ballistics while you are showing us your range targets, you are missing one HUGE part of this equation. The barrels twist rate significantly impacts the accuracy of any rifle. If the ammo doesn't like that twist rate it will perform slowly. Milspec 5.56 rounds have a twist rate of 1:7, you see some slower twist rates of 1:8, 1:9. For a 1:7 twist rate barrel you should be running heavier rounds 62 grain maybe even 75 grain rounds for optimal performance. Now as to your love of high priced ammo, go for it dude.Most of us don't have the deep pockets you do. Most of those 53-55 grain rounds would perform poorly in a 1:7 twist rate barrel. I am betting your rifle has a 1:8 or 1:9 twist rate. One last note. In a defensive environment you are not going to be taking 300 yard shots. If you are, you are no longer defensive, You are now are now on the offense. if I am going to shoot long range I will be breaking out a better rifle, .308/30-06/.270/.240 just to name a few, all of which are superior to the 5.56 at ranges of 300 yards or more.
I cover twist rate in the marksman video. You woild be wrong the rifle that shot those targets is a 1:7 I have shot all the way to 40gr Varmageddon doing Mach Jesus from a 1:7 with sub minute results. I've never had any issues running 53 and 55gr. You're right it can impact accuracy but that is primarily due to the stability of the projectiles. I've also run 1:9 twist with 77gr tmks still stabilizes with a 18 to 20 inch barrel.
@@unclefreedom213 Your first assumption that is automatically the ammo, needs to be validated. 1:7 twist rifles suboptimal for 55 grain rounds, they tend to tumble and keyhole, you may not hve experienced it but there is plenty testing to validate the finding, some of those tests were done by other youtubers. BTW a 3 inch group at 100 yards is good enough for me. For that matter if you can hit an 8 inch dinner plate off hand consitantly at 100 yards the threat will be stopped.
I found myself considering a small amount of fort scott's 62 grain tui for a fairly niche sort of reason. Hear me out. It's for an 18" precision sort of rifle. Heavy barrel, 10 power maximum optic. Something like TMK is accurate, and terminally effective, but the moment it hits auto glass, or metal, the bullet has all the terminal effect of birdshot in gel on the other side. Federal fusion which is still my favorite standard go-to round in a low magnification 14.5 defeats barriers, and does work on a soft target, but still has a velocity dependent expansion threshold, and seems to shoot 2 MOA at best from my barrels. I'm now considering fort scott's tui for its barrier blindness, and its tumbling capability to do the damage of 7n6 even after punching through a windshield and down to subsonic speeds. Its main problem is that it is known to overpenetrate, but that doesn't seem to be a concern in a WROL kind of situation, and I guess people aren't the biggest fan of tumbling over expansion/fragmentation. So I'm thinking the TUI is oddly enough sets itself apart as a 5.56 projectile for staying true to its ideal terminal performance at super long range, low velocities, and punching through barriers for a precision build
You just made me feel better, Tossed a new optic on one of my platforms and I used 855 to sight it in before quick swap to my work choice of TSX and my groups with 855 where really bad like 3 inches at 50 yards from a standing supporting position, the TSX round went to about 1.5 inch group.
Your videos are a treasure. I can not tell you enough how helpful this info is!
1) 2:18 SPEER gold Dot in 5.56, 55gr SBR/GPR and 75gr SPR
2) 4:58 Monolithic
For what its worth, gold dots come in 62 grain as well. Problem is, gold dots are imfamously loaded mildly. Federal fusion msr is the same bullet, but loaded hotter.
Federal is coming out with a tipped fusion. Id love to see reviews on its terminal ballistics and see how my 18" can grouo them.
I inherited a Styer-Mannlicher SL Varmint from my father that was a work of art... double set trigger, hammer forged fluted barrel (the flutes were actually spiral forged in)... beautiful carving on the stock. That thing was capable of printing a dime-size group at 200 yards. Had it up until it was stolen (along with my gun safe) 12 years ago) I wonder how it would have performed with some these choices? My father and I were (are?) reloaders, and he had already ginned up his tack driver round when he was still PCS in Germany. Man, I wish he had lived longer. He would be flabbergasted by how far firearms technology has come in 25 years. (not only firearms, but pretty much everything else)
Please keep up the good work!
Not sure if you purposely left it out or not, but speer does produce 62gr gold dots. It's what I use for a duty round in my 14.5" GP rifle.
Great discussion (because I agree with everything you said 😉 ). In my own limited testing I found that the M855 is not only inaccurate, it performed very poorly through windshield glass and not that well through automotive sheet metal. I settled on the 64 and later 62 grain Gold Dot.
I was surprised to see Fort Scott mentioned. They are my go to for rifle rounds. They have a 45 gr loading as well. They also partnered with Maxim defense and created tui ammo specifically for short barreled rifles.
I’d like to see someone test the G9 defense barrier blind hollow points. I love G9’s pistol ammo
Great video, i love when you do ammo selection videos. Your knowledge is appreciated, i personally have run the federal fusion in my AR for home defense for awhile now, glad to see it on your list. I would like to get some speer gold dots but for some reason they are extremely rare in my area. Also like the lil bits of extra infor like the federal 64gr sp, just happen to have some of those!!
Great over all explanation and overview of some of the best cartridges on the market for the 5.56 platform, in both the short barrel and DMR style rifles... I come from a similar background, which gave me the opportunity to test and field most of these loads.
I initially discarded any interest in the 300 Blackout when it first came on the scene, but after some lengthy investigation found it had substantial merit for an entry gun... Say 12.5" barrel. With this size, you can run Hornady CX 110 gr projectiles at 2,335 fps. , which brings just a little more to the game when compared to the 5.56 heavy's in the same barrel length, and I have tried the Lehigh Defense 110 gr Controlled Chaos projectile also, for some interesting wound capabilities . With that said, I think the Blackout is better suited to thise that can get the most out of it through Hand Loading, specific to their platform...
thanks for the great information and sharing your knowledge about these great loads for use in the 5.56 platform...👍
I love how several different loads perform from 12" 6.5 Grendel. Everything from close range work to busting cinder blocks, hunting, then reaching out to long range.
2 minutes in, and I'm a NEW subscriber👍🏾. Great content and your knowledge is on par.💯
I only found you a couple days ago and have been eating this up. You're a data nerd like me, and I'm loving it. Kinda wish you had a publicly available and queryable database for all your stuff. (I'm neither asking nor expecting you to produce one, just wishing "out loud". Take it as a form of admiration for the knowledge you've got in that wonderful brain of yours.)
Try out the aac black tip stuff. Interested in your opinion on it.
The most accurate green tip I've ever used was PMC x-tac. As far as load spec goes it may not be as hot as "real" M855 ......you are right though brother- I'm not arguing AT ALL. It's just in my 13.7 SOLGW and my buddies 16" POF gas gun it shoots better than regular M855. I just noticed last weekend. We were at 85-90 yards and laying prone and I found some in my bag and we both shot a group for morbid curiosity during other load testing lol. We were pleasantly surprised when my gun shot .1.190ish and his POF shot it like 1.100ish. That not good by any means BUT it was way better than most M855. Just putting it out there in case someone has some or needs to shoot it for some reason.....it was only about half as bad as normal M855 through our guns. Hell my 13.7 throws like 3 + inch groups with the federal green tip. Winchester and Privi green tip too.
I paid $2/round for m855a1 off tacswap, i have them as my home defense rounds out of my 10.5. The few tests i did with them were freaking awesome.
855A1 is scary stuff I have some M80A1 as well and have pulled bullets loaded into 300WM that's a scary ass round
@@unclefreedom213 i think it was Andrew on the arfcom Channel that did gel block testing on m855a1. He was using really short barrels and still getting crazy results in gel, those tests are what made me decide to go ahead and buy some.
M80a1 pops up on tacswap sometimes,there is a 100 round belts with tracer very 3-4 rounds for 550 on there right now. Not sure i want 100 rounds but 10-20 would be cool. I don’t have a larger 30 cal rifle than a 308 but pulling the bullets for something like that might be worth the investment lol.
you have yet to post a video where I don't learn something...keep up the good work. you are one of the best at what you are doing. THANK YOU
Thank you. I love doing it and I've had some great requests. That's where this video came from as did the Phlster video. I'm also going to looking at the Kore Essentials battle belt and tenicor zero belts all at thw requests of viewers
If your expecting shorter ranges Black Hills 50gr TSX is amazing, they also have a 62gr if you want to reach out farther.
Thanks for the info brother. This is the exact info that I was looking for for civil war.
I wouldn't mind a .300AAC/BO version of this video. As I prefer my .300 as a GPR as it's my best build to date with everything I wanted and no trade off component wise due to $$.
Interesting! I’d never thought about this issue. This is critical in WROL! I thought green tips were good for this kind of thing, but these are better.
watching this again and wondering how that Ft Scott stuff does in hunting applications for things like boar. If I understood correctly, it penetrates hard things (auto glass / pig chest plates) and tumbles once it hits soft tissue on the other side, right?
I recall reading that SEALs liked running 77gr Mk262 in their 10.3” Mk18s. I seem to remember that it was about longer dwell time for reliability in cycling the weapon, but that it also had good terminal ballistics at close range. I am not a ballistics nerd, so could you weigh in on this? I’ve got a stash of 77gr IMI for my 10.5” gun, and am wondering if I should reconsider this- I’ve only used it for punching paper thus far…
Yeah they do or did, everybody hated the green tips because they weren’t very effective. You can’t go wrong with mk262
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I have solid coppers 62 and 70 from Barnes also hunting rounds as you mentioned . I use imi 77 razor cores all my barrels are 18 0r 20 with scopes ..... I agree m855 sux but pmc 855 is more accurate 2.5 and 2 inch groups ... I use superperfomane and fort Scott a lot keep several hundred in load out .... All so use 308 in static positions .....
You out flank them😅 with bayonets
Airborne!!!
CHARGE!
Was fun to watch and learn
Glad you took something away from it
Great video. What is your preferred cummerbund round? I can shoot green tips at 500 yards with a 6x optic on 6" steel consistently in low wind conditions. I also have the ability to carry 9x30 round mags on me without taking a second mortgage out on the house :) For me its performance vs cost. I have 220 rounds of 855a1 left. Both my ARs hate it. I may gunbroker it all.
AWESOME.....yeah...lots of good info and this time I was taking notes. Yeah I do have a stash of the 855 stuff, but I guess I'll have to invest in some better rounds. Thanks!
Have you ever tested any of the Armscor 55 and 62 grain psp? I’ve tested a lot of the cheaper soft points like ppu and even silver bear but never tried the armscor. Only $.50 a round so if it works that would be a good option if you are on a budget. My go to is the 64 grain power shock. It’s running about $1 a round now but I loaded up on it a few years ago on sale for $12.99 a box.
Nd55664 is also a trophy bonded bear claw. It is a 64 grain boat tail tbbc loaded to 5.56 pressure.
Problem is the 'nd' indicates its 'not for duty use' for one reason or another, and its inaccurate as hell doing 5 and 6 moa groups out of the same rifle that did ~2 moa groups with federal fusion msr a moment before.
Good info
Unc, what is your opinion on hornady frontier 5.56 68gr bthp for an sbr and gpr?
Man what a geek, lol no great job. Thank you that explains a lot.JD😎
Can you recommend a more economical round that is reasonably accurate to stockpile?
As a fellow ballistic nerd, check out Jeff Siewert 'Ammunition Demystified' The (non) Bubba's guide to How Ammo Really Works.
I'm building a new upper w/ Criterion core 18in 223 wylde. w/ CMT's new rail with Arca Swiss on the bottom. Will be trying out your suggestions on ammo. Thanks for the knowledge & stay safe out there.👍🏽
Good topic. I'll be watching this again. I wish I could put my hands on some of the Gold Dot 75gr projectiles for loading. Although I did managed to get a fair bit of the 62gr Gold Dot to load.
Keep and eye on Midway and .midsouth for pulled bullets
@unclefreedom213 very informative video. Been trying to find something like this for a while. Most only worship the idea if carrying a single type round. But I feel that like "Shotgun rounds" there is a tool for every job. Been wanting to see someone push the idea that if you had 6 magazines in a carry bag, 1 would carry barrier breaching ammo, 2 would carry close quarter defensive rounds, and the final 2 would be expanders that would give you both distance and penatration. Would this line of thinking have credibility to live defensive scenarios? (If it could be mentioned in a future video).
@@legacyri3995I think that would cause the need to rezero quite often. You can always put witness marks on your turrets for each round but it still takes time.
@genesharkgenetics_bt8919 very cool. Thanks for the suggestion. 👍
I've noticed nobody mentions the Nosler Partition.
great bullet falls in the same place as mk318 or 64gr ranger sbsp
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I’ve had a lot of good accuracy with the frontier from hornady. Unfortunately it’s become pretty hard to find. Great video!
Frontier is solid I have 3 or 4k left 68 and 75gr and a bunch of 55gr fmj
Another great video!
How would rate 5.56 TAP 70Gr CX as far as best application/rifle length?
I was able to pick up three boxes figured they were good but unsure how well they’ll run with my 13.9
I'll definitely concur about theM855... I've shot it out of everything I have and if you can get 1.5 MOA out of it you're doing.
I like the mk318 mod0 or my .50 Beowulf with Underwood 380gr poly coated hard cast lead rounds
Let's Goooo!!
What you think of the federal fusion msr? I have about 300 rounds of those.
Like the info. Posting for the Al-Gore-Rhythm
Do you have any info on Hornady tap urban 40 gr. 223?
The bullet is a 40gr vmax solid round where overpenetration is a concern
Thoughts on ss109? Is it worth the price or rebranded cheaper round
I am curious what barrel twist do you like to use often ? For me its 1:8 and does the twist rate make a difference on the barrel length ? Where I live at most of the time I only see 50, 55, 62, 75, and 77 grain compared to the other uncommon grains.
1:7 and 1:8 will stabilize anything 1:9 can but you need a longer barrel. Most of my stuff is 7 or 8 twist. I can stabilize 77gr tipped match kings in a 10 inch barrel in a 7 twist and in an 8 twist I've had good stabilize in a 12.5 and up
Also I mentioned it in the live chat but anyone looking for some bonded soft points sgammo has the Winchester ranger 64gn in stock a 64 grain nosler bonded and another I’ve never heard of called blue line ammunition, it’s a bonded 64gn and $.98 a round or if you get 200rds it’s $179.
I'm pretty lucky. My noveske and my scar16 both group sub moa at 100 yards with 62 grain and 55g
Thank you good sir. My question is will a Fiocchi v-max go through a Carhart jacket?
oh yeah nonissue
Have you ever considered a video on non traditional weapons in a shtf situation? A lot of people have inherited 3030s lever guns, 30.06 bolt guns, skss, mini-14s, shotguns, etc. It interests me cus a lot of my buddies have nothing but hunting rifles and are too stubborn to get any of them tAcTiCoOl ar 17s cus you don’t need that for a deer. Lol. I mean 30.06 hunting rifle at range isn’t bad, but none of my buddies are trained snipers either.
Actually there is videos coming on non standard arms for the Minutemen crossbows, lever actions, bolt guns, pump guns
@@unclefreedom213 hell yeah!
You can do some real work with an sks and good stripper clips. It's all about training. A 30.06 bolt gun can also be very formidable.
Can you do a vid for 308?
Yes I have one planned it'll be my top 5 or 10 defensive loads and then a top 5 barrier rounds
@@unclefreedom213 Can't wait!
Would like your opinion, I have plenty of 62gn GD to load for my 12”. Should I load the Fusion velocity or a little hotter, and or just the most accurate load?
personally with that barrel length. I would look at some faster powders 10X, VVN133, Benchmark reloader 7 So i can pressure spike early getting a more complete burn and less flash from the 12.5. Basically tailor that to perfection with the rifke
M855 is great for area fire. Mk318 is good 16 and under ammo. Mk262 for 16 and up.
262 is a terrible barrier round super accurate but match rounds are really bad through barriers. The 262 is solid all the way down to 10.3 with good terminal if you're not shooting through barriers
@@unclefreedom213 I forgot to mention use case. I meant gen purp, not barrier performance. More like best for most usual uses.
I totally agree with your info in the video.
Will the 55 grain gold dot penatrate body armor like a M193 will?
If loaded to the same velocity, yes.
wait trophy bonded bear claw wasnt discontinued?
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appreciate it @@unclefreedom213
@@unclefreedom213what is this? Thanks!
Can you do a video on aac Sabre black tip rounds?
I'm planning on it. I have the I believe 62gr and 75gr coming from what I know they are very Varmint round like. But to be honest a 75gr Varmint round would be kick ass
@@unclefreedom213 thank you! I will be looking forward to hearing what you think.
M855 is 3 MOA ammo I don't know why that's a surprise to anybody. If you want accurate ammo 75 grain Hornady jacketed hollow points you could get 79 grain Black Hills you could get any number of actual Precision Ammo m855 is made for fighting it's not inaccurate it's exactly as accurate as it's supposed to be
Actually 855 was designed to penetrate a ruskie steel helmet at 400 yards or so from the M249 SAW. It was never supposed to used in the M16 let alone the M4.
It's a less accurate round by design which cover pretty hard in ammo consideration. It's very important to understand what your rifle will do with terrible ammo
@unclefreedom213 what are you actually-ing? It's not accurate, but it's known the made to penetrate Russian helmet thing is not true it was made to penetrate a certain thickness of cold rolled steel there's definitely not a piece of paper out there that says that is one of the requirements of m855 . I'll still hit every single thing I shoot it no matter what distance
People sleep on m855 it is pretty knarly stuff may not be the most accurate but it definitely will do the job
How come I never see Hornady interlocks as just a projectile..id buy the hell outta a 75gr bonded..
Because they wont release them believe me i've asked more than a few times since they're local to me
I bought a bunch of the 75 gr black tips they made for AAC and have been making some good loads with them,,I got a lot of 70 gr tsx I make also but I can't afford to have hundreds of thoes..I was lucky enough to get some 64gr nosler solid base soft points fro midway as seconds before thoes were bought up,,that's about the only bonded lead core I have right now to play with..
@@william16845Raven Rock has the 64 gr Nosler bonded bullet in stock.
Pistol light next
You said 15 gr when I think you meant 55gr
Respectfully i dont think your right about the 64 grain federal powershok. I have both and the the powershock is supposed to be plain cup n core while tbbc is solid copper base and bonded on the front. Ones 64 grain the other 62 and they have different ogives. Not the same bullet
If you want the tbbc in 223 loading you'll see t3 in the designation
hi shok not power I said it initially then my brain auto piloted
Mr. Ballistics while you are showing us your range targets, you are missing one HUGE part of this equation. The barrels twist rate significantly impacts the accuracy of any rifle. If the ammo doesn't like that twist rate it will perform slowly. Milspec 5.56 rounds have a twist rate of 1:7, you see some slower twist rates of 1:8, 1:9. For a 1:7 twist rate barrel you should be running heavier rounds 62 grain maybe even 75 grain rounds for optimal performance.
Now as to your love of high priced ammo, go for it dude.Most of us don't have the deep pockets you do. Most of those 53-55 grain rounds would perform poorly in a 1:7 twist rate barrel. I am betting your rifle has a 1:8 or 1:9 twist rate.
One last note. In a defensive environment you are not going to be taking 300 yard shots. If you are, you are no longer defensive, You are now are now on the offense. if I am going to shoot long range I will be breaking out a better rifle, .308/30-06/.270/.240 just to name a few, all of which are superior to the 5.56 at ranges of 300 yards or more.
I cover twist rate in the marksman video. You woild be wrong the rifle that shot those targets is a 1:7 I have shot all the way to 40gr Varmageddon doing Mach Jesus from a 1:7 with sub minute results. I've never had any issues running 53 and 55gr. You're right it can impact accuracy but that is primarily due to the stability of the projectiles. I've also run 1:9 twist with 77gr tmks still stabilizes with a 18 to 20 inch barrel.
@@unclefreedom213 Your first assumption that is automatically the ammo, needs to be validated. 1:7 twist rifles suboptimal for 55 grain rounds, they tend to tumble and keyhole, you may not hve experienced it but there is plenty testing to validate the finding, some of those tests were done by other youtubers.
BTW a 3 inch group at 100 yards is good enough for me. For that matter if you can hit an 8 inch dinner plate off hand consitantly at 100 yards the threat will be stopped.
@@bryanrocker5033AcKsHuAlLy….calm down bro, it’s gonna be okay
15gr!? 5000fps here we come!!! 😂
shit better be faster than that lol I've gotten some 40gr Varmageddon scraping 4000 lol
I found myself considering a small amount of fort scott's 62 grain tui for a fairly niche sort of reason. Hear me out.
It's for an 18" precision sort of rifle. Heavy barrel, 10 power maximum optic.
Something like TMK is accurate, and terminally effective, but the moment it hits auto glass, or metal, the bullet has all the terminal effect of birdshot in gel on the other side.
Federal fusion which is still my favorite standard go-to round in a low magnification 14.5 defeats barriers, and does work on a soft target, but still has a velocity dependent expansion threshold, and seems to shoot 2 MOA at best from my barrels.
I'm now considering fort scott's tui for its barrier blindness, and its tumbling capability to do the damage of 7n6 even after punching through a windshield and down to subsonic speeds. Its main problem is that it is known to overpenetrate, but that doesn't seem to be a concern in a WROL kind of situation, and I guess people aren't the biggest fan of tumbling over expansion/fragmentation.
So I'm thinking the TUI is oddly enough sets itself apart as a 5.56 projectile for staying true to its ideal terminal performance at super long range, low velocities, and punching through barriers for a precision build
You just made me feel better, Tossed a new optic on one of my platforms and I used 855 to sight it in before quick swap to my work choice of TSX and my groups with 855 where really bad like 3 inches at 50 yards from a standing supporting position, the TSX round went to about 1.5 inch group.
Think this guy is cosplaying as Jim from back4blood.😂 google image that if you don’t know.
no clue who that is must be a video game thing. He must have impeccable taste in outdoor clothing
Mk318 SOST was the best ammo the .mil .gov created for barrier blind. From every barrel length. The stupid BIG Army gave us M855A1.