Oblivion & The First Firmament (The REAL Origins of the Marvel Universe)
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- Опубліковано 20 вер 2017
- Today I look at one of my favorite Marvel characters, Oblivion. On top of that I tie in Oblivion's role to the beginnings (and end) of the Marvel Universe.
Source Material:
Iceman Limited Series Vol 1 #2-4 (1984-85)
The Ultimates 2 Vol 1 #1-10(0) (2016-17)
Quasar Vol 1 #37 (1992)
If I have missed any additional source material please let me know and I will add it to the list! Thank you!
Music by Shroud courtesy of Alex Mizell
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Thanos: I’m the scariest villain
Oblivion: Hold your nightmares
Michael Is Here oblivion isn’t really a villain though... he’s necessary
@@adb8003 well if death dies then oblivion still exist
@@TheCubecrafer did you forget about the one below all? The below of all below than hell even the deepest depths of hell his below he embodies the destruction of everrything his a evil version of one above all destroying what his brother has done
Non-comic Reader captured, Oblivion is not a villain.
The One Above All was the one who said "let there be light"
The First Firmament is that light
And Oblivion is the void, the darkness before the light
And Nemesis, the spoken word.
John Porteous But but I thought Oblivion was formed along with Eternity and death after The first firmament was spreaded his body to everywhere
Bissss so you mean Cardcaptor Sakura is OAA and the Light Card is TFF and O is the Dark Card
There's another saying... God created man..
Devil responsed with woman.. 😂😂
Dhe fyzikal formz шe C Oбlivion Infînity Deaþ Etêrnity dhe Livĩng Triбunal & oll dhi odher kozmik êntitiez tejke αn R knoшn az Mânifest Dêstiny∴
" Before the multiverse was... I was. At the end of all things... I wait. I am the void... The breath between life and death... Between death and rebirth. Between heaven and hell. My true form is beyond that which you see. I transcend form -- and shape and substance. This body... This realm... And everyone and everything IN it... Are my Creations.
Return now to non-being... Feel the consciousness draining from you. Fell all that you are stripped away... Consumed. You are beyond loneliness. Beyond pain. Beyond even the memory of what you once were. Oblivion is all that -- and more. For unlike you... I have consciousness of what I am. I feel every ripple in the sea of eternal emptiness... Every ebb in the tide of eternal nihility. Death has his joys... As do Love, Eternity and the countless other cosmic deities who play their parts in the Divine Drama... But Oblivion... Has nothing.
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~ Oblivion, explaining its nature
Oбlivion seez reâlity metaforikally az æ шorld've dgreamz∴
4 hym dhe mûltiverse iz æ ryver dhat kan B dæmned yf U do dæmned yf U don/t∴
Oblivion is HDI, >>>>>> Fulcrum and Verse Marvel except TOAA
@@davidfernandes1031 except toaa and embodiement of creation and all,the phoenix
@@matteo964 Nop, Inexistence >>>> The Phoenix
@@davidfernandes1031 existence is the Phoenix.
People can argue that since Oblivion represents nothingness, its superior to all the other cosmic entities. However, Oblivion is only the opposite and rival to Infinity (which represents space), who is the sister of Eternity. So really the opposite of space is empty and that's what Oblivion represents. Just as Eternity and Infinity are aspects of the same being, Death and Oblivion are as well. A lot of people believe that nothingness means void or empty space, before the First Firmament came into existence. In fact, we know now from Knull's origin story that he existed even before the Celestials and lived in the void. However, before there was anything, everything was white - a blank canvas on which Jack Kirby, the One Above All, drew space. Then came Knull, the First Firmament. It's incorrect to say that the First Firmament came into existence from Oblivion's loins. The First Firmament stated he was alone which means there was no other cosmic entity or sentient being he was aware of. It was not until after the birth of the first Multiverse (the second cosmos) after the war that shattered the First Firmament, that the abstract entities simultaneously came into existence - Eternity and Oblivion. Then with each iteration of the multiverse, more abstract entities were created. Galactus, for example was only created after the 6th cosmos and he is considered a sibling. Infinity as well only existed in the 7th iteration of the cosmos. We know this because were shown all the previous embodiments from 1st to 7th in Ultimates 2 #100. Oblivion cannot be the opposite of the One Above All, because the concept of Oblivion can't even exist without the author (One Above All) creating him. True nothingness means there is no sentient being at all and Oblivion is sentient. With each iteration of the multiverse, they improved and hence, Galactus was created as balance to prevent the overpopulation of Celestials which led to the collapse of the multiverse, and hence its destruction - Abraxas. In a way, Abraxas is the multiversal embodiment of destruction and hence, should be an aspect of the multiversal Oblivion. As for Death, she can only exist if life exists as without life, there is no death. However, Eternity, Infinity and Oblivion can exist simultaneously without life since Eternity represents time and Infinity represents space. Then there is Queen of Nevers which represents the abstract entity of possibility from which multiple realities come into play. Of course, in the void of nothingness, there are no possibilities, so she was created later after life was created. There is also the Phoenix Force, which represents the spark that ignited the Big Bang, born from the ashes of each iteration, it is multiversal but has universal aspects and avatars like the other entities. Since the Phoenix Force has the power to burn away any part of the universe, it does have the power to destroy universes, which means it can also destroy Eternity who is made up of universes. The Phoenix Force represents all the energy that ever will be and exists in the entire multiverse. In a way, Phoenix Force is the light that was created in the void of darkness. Then the Living Tribunal exists in a dimension outside of the Multiverse but not the same as the Beyonders.
Oblivion was just there watching him,hes not above oblivion,
Man u explained it good
People think Oblivion is like over void from dc but not even close lol
I wonder if Living tribunal and those abstract beings are living in oblivion (well i mean the void not character)? Cause every time i see lt he is in a universe or a white void
One above all = Stan Lee
Oblivion = Paper for Stan Lee to write a comic out of it
Ise, Ise, бaбy∴
This is why I think he can beat anyone
Paper XD.
So WHAT is Lee toilet paper?
Ahahahahaha
@@WadcaWymiaru I'm actually taking a dump right now.
So God is dead?
Never queen the embodiment of all possibilities
She's like the Anti Oblivion
Man! Love it! Love your channel. I'm so old and I read all this stuff but... it was so long ago. Awesome work.
My friend, thank you for this. I learned to read before kindergarten because of comic books, Marvel especially. I grew up from the ages 4 to 23 a die-hard Fan of ol' Marvel.
At about the time of Kurt Busiek' s historic run on Avengers ending I started to see changes in certain things that made me stop reading their publications. I went to DC and there I remained, until Marvel announced the new Secret Wars series and the rights for the X-Men & Fantastic Four were now with Disney, who now owns Marvel.
I haven't read anything yet because I was looking for an entry point to gain that ol' feeling for Marvel. I've tried several of these UA-cam channels, and they're all great, but something was missing. I like to have things as far as si-fi/anime/etc. explained in a linear way. The discover of your channel and your playlist has made me cancel my plans of watching the NBA play-offs in a bar and laying in bed geeking out to you talk about things & and characters I've loved most of my life on Earth.
Again thank you, and this just my first video and comment on your channel. I have plenty more to watch and can't wait to delve deeper into how view the Marvel Universe.
I hope I didn't disappoint. As far as I see it I'm not very far along on my cosmic journey - I'm still laying the foundation but I've got a great plan (I think) for how to approach this and Marvel has given me a great world to dissect. I'll be the first to admit that I'm not 100% caught up on modern Marvel myself. Secret Wars definitely caught my attention as well but the first Marvel comic I added to a pulls list in close to 20 years was The Ultimates (2016) and I would suggest it as a great jumping off point to adjust to the state of all things Cosmic in the current Marvel Universe. It was a delight to read and as I continue to catch up on Marvel it and The Ultimates 2 has probably been my favorite story arc. These show that Marvel is willing to think big again and not shy away from some of the incredible cosmic creations within their mythos. Glad you found the channel, plenty more content to come.
Smoking atleast a lil cannabis i hope lol
Holy crap! Great video!
Good stuff love your channel just found it, keep doing what you do, so many comic channels have gotten ahead of themselves due to large fan bases. I like your channel because it's just the facts, you don't put on a show you just give me what I came here for. Thank you again and keep being great
Thanks for the love!
These videos are and will always be the best most entertaining on UA-cam
Thanks!
Love your videos!
Nice as always
Abraxas: I want to destroy everything
Oblivion: Good
Lmao I dunno why This is funny for me
Time to start the Cosmic Order playlist. Been a while since i watched this channel.
Please do more videos, I really like them
I hadn't realized it's been over a month since I uploaded! More coming. Just been super busy with work. Glad to know you are enjoying the channel!
Best explanation video I've seen in the Marvel Universe yet. You're severely underrated man, and you get to the point quicker too.
Thanks for the kind words Mr. Cooper!
Great video man..
This is a direct copy of esoteric stories of the beginning of everything. Great video of the break down.
Cool Video 👍🏻👍🏻
Oblivion might be the only One who Understands The Marvel Cosmology Better than The most of us. I mean He existed Before everything, dude spend his Life Just seeing the creation of Marvel Verse.
On the other hand we readers just waiting for more comic books to understand Marvel Cosmology. Marvel Cosmology gets more bigger and complex Every 20 issues
Excellent point of view at the end. I agree.
Hey dude nice channel
Very very nice video
Great Insight
Great video
Thanks!
Nothing is above Oblivion.
Other than Todd Howard of course! Why? It just works!
I like how most cosmic characters have these space like bodies or stardust inside of them
I think the need to relate cosmology to the western religions is always a challenge and limits the imagination because its gets confine to something that it wasn't meant to be. Not a simple relation to Judeo-christian religions.
Agreed! But at the same time, a little controversy never hurts tiny channels such as myself. Get me pumped to 500k subs and I won't take these kind of chances. Also, next vid in the works will touch on each of the Marvel Earth pantheons. So, lots more religious diversity coming forth in that one. Also, exploring non-earth pantheons. If I can get away from work long enough to finish it up! Always appreciate a multi-cultural perspective. Thx!
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U sumed up this so well, if u read law of one and make a video comparing the parelles between marvel and law of one u would get ALOT of views
what about chaos king he also existed before the creation of the marvel omniverse so was it him or oblivion or nemesis because she was the one before all
I did think about him but unlike Oblivion who is a Cosmic Abstract, Amatsu-Mikaboshi is more a part of the Shinto Pantheon. This ties back into the fact that many of the Pantheons have their own creation myths and that each of these beings was given substance and form via the minds of man - not the other way around.
Oblivion said that chaos king was but a mere aspect of the infinity he is
Sounds about right.
The chaos king is a small part of Oblivion
In another video I saw it was said that the Chaos King was the other side if eternity but in this video it was said that oblivion was the other side, the dark side, of the one above all or the God of the marvel universe. So the Chaos King and Oblivion are kind of the same thing but Oblivion is in a different level. Like is the chaos King and eternity were 2 sides of a penny God and Oblivion are 2 sides of a 100 dollar gold coin
I'd say that Oblivion and the One above all are on equal footing.
Nah, in the end Oblivion is still nothing. And something will always be greater than nothing. I should have dived into it more in this video but Oblivion is still a Cosmic Abstract, nothing more than an idea given form. I think he does provide a good check / counterbalance within the greater narrative.
@@Cosmic.Comics but isnt toaa something? whats beyond something is nothing and i would expect oblivion to be there too
So, a recent rereading led to me an interesting collusion. In the Iceman limited series Iceman uses love to defeat to Oblivion. Sorry I don't have the direct quote in front of me. In the Ultimates 2 (vol 2?) there is a huge white page where TOAA claims to be "Love.". Ergo, TOAA is the thing that can defeat Oblivion.
Also, with the introduction of The One Below All we have a pretty solid contender for a baddie on equal footing with TOAA.
@@Cosmic.Comics Please someone explain how can Oblivion beat the One Above All?
@@Cosmic.Comics yeah that one below all is a weird addition, but i want more of it to come out, its origins pretty much
One Celestial: what I thought there was a comic where Genesis created the universe-
Oblivion: actually, there was some complaints about The Creator being a man from the future....and it was met with heavy criticism. So now we’re doing a retcon that’s so sci-fi and alien that it doesn’t offend anyone in particular.
There is a comic where Genesis / Sise-Neg creates the Universe. The problem with that one is that he returns everything back to the way he found it (except maybe booting Shuma-Gorath from Earth-616 and leaving behind a garden with an apple in it - I don't know time travel gets complicated). The story end on one of those, "Is this something new or the way it always was?" notes. I did cover that story at one point but thought the channel needed something with a little bit more modern marvel spin on it after they shook everything up with the latest Secret Wars. Thanks for commenting!
I know the ordeal with Sise-Neg/Genesis was a logical mind-screw, but I was just noting that it was initially implied that that particular deity may/may not have been the bible God and then years after the Secret Wars and the introduction of much higher deities led to the creation of a retcon that fitted more with the sci-fi nature of Marvel and one that didn't specifically call out Bible allusions. Because if they would not have gotten away with doing Sise-Neg/Genesis again due to how much stronger religious censorship has gotten since then. And having the Firmament, Oblivion, the Aspirants and the Celestials being vital to the story of the multiverse makes more sense from a higher, alien perspective than just a man who may or may have created the universe, which is much more controversial nowadays.
Hey I wanted to mention nobody on UA-cam has ever done The video on the Lord chaos and master order! That would be a great next video
Working on a video right now that is going to cover all of the Cosmic Abstracts.
@blisteringheightsofstupidity nada - at the time I was putting these out it was just past Secret Wars and Marvel kept messing with the Cosmic Hierarchy - they really still are. It's been a gradual introduction of new elements since Secret Wars Ended. Was waiting for the dust to settle but have moved on the other projects at the moment. Might come back some day but giving Spawn some love right now
Watching this in the hospital waiting room. You should see the dirty looks I got when he said "colored celestials."
Should I have said, "Celestials of Color?"
😄
Guess the children are just like their parent. :)
I think that Lucifer from the Vertigo line-up touched on similar theme.
But it all appears to me as an allegory for the artist and the relation to his/her/their creations and medium.
Agreed (thumbs up).
Thanks for bring the biblical perspective in the video I was honestly was getting lost, but that cleared it up
Could someone answer this question for me:
As a non-comic book fan who only started to watch channels like this to understand the full stories of the characters in the now seemingly endless comic book movies that are coming out lately I don't understand how true fans can label someone as the most powerful or the oldest?
Here is why: A new comic book character can be invented and that character will be the strongest or several different comics can all claim their hero, villain, or cosmic entity is the most powerful or does something beyond godlike. There are several comics that are like old world religions that claim that their cosmic entity created everything and when it seems that Newer comic book stories try to explain the various inconsistencies all they does is create newer stories and greater characters to top the previous ones.
A great example is the one above all in marvel who was at the vary top but then when DC and Marvel did their crossover they had twin entity above him??? Or something like that, and then we had the being that was the infinity stones that was above all but alone so it split itself up, and next we had the firmament who is above all, and now we have oblivian who is above all of the above alls!!!
My question is: Why do fans try to insist that their is really one being above all in comics when there will be a new story written of a new entity that was the first above all coming out in the next few years?????
For some reason I can't see the other reply right now but these are great and legit questions. First, Oblivion isn't that powerful. He can't actively interact with the Marvel Universe and in the end he's nothing... literally nothingness. So he isn't above The One Above All - more in opposition to anything that is. He's an abstract concept and like many other abstracts in Marvel - he has a role within the greater whole.
And yes, at any time a new concept can be thrown into the Marvel or DC comics universe that spins everything around and up side down. Personally, I like the authors that draw from existing lore but somebody always wants to try something new.
I'm a Marvel/Image fanboy 100% and my knowledge of DC comics is embarrassingly scant. One thing you see in almost any crossover event from DC/Marvel or even within Marvel such as Avengers/X-Men is that the big blowout, guts on the floor battle you were hoping for never happens. One brand is never sacrificed at the foot of another and most of these brand crossovers end in some kind of stalemate where they fight off some other evil that is going to destroy everything.
Recurring themes that we see throughout comics are that all powerful beings end up being lonely. In another episode I will probably cover the Mirage, Oblivion's daughter (Oblivion got lonely). The First Firmament ended up creating the Celestials, etc.
One thing I haven't touched on in this series but will eventually is that (at least within the Marvel Universe) there is a confusing albeit concrete hierarchy to it all. Take Earth for example - we have multiple pantheons of gods (The Asgardian, The Aztec, The Egyptian, and numerous others). Each Pantheon has its own origin story and has its own lore where the Earth was created and where they came from. But these Pantheons rose from the minds of men through the power that was originally released to Earth by Demiurge, then Atum (sp?) got the power by killing off the Elder Gods which transformed him into Demogorge. Demogorge released the power back to Earth and went to live in the sun. This power - the power of godstuff is where the Earth pantheons came from. This story trumps each of the Pantheon's individual origin stories.
So starting at the bottom of the heap we have mortals which includes Earth Races, Alien Races (Skrulls, Kree, Baddoon, etc.), The Eternals, The Deviants, The Inhumans, etc. On the next rung up we have Gods which are the various Pantheons of Earth. Above them we have the Elder Gods which are acknowledged to be more powerful than the Pantheon Gods. Somewhere beside and between The Earth Gods and the Elder Gods we have concepts such as Heaven, Hell, Limbo, Dark Dimensions, The-Many-Angled-Ones, and other various Entities and Splinter Realms.
Then we leave Earth behind and have various kinds of beings of differing power levels such as the Elders of the Universe, The Celestials, The Beyonders, The Horde, The Builders, The Watchers, etc. Some of these may be more or less powerful than the various Earth Pantheons. Could Thor kill a Watcher? Probably. But the difference is these are Celestial beings and not tied to Earth and its various religions, hang ups and history. But beings on this level still interact with mortals on a regularish basis. We've seen maybe a couple dozen Elders of the Universe but are told their are thousands (hope I am remembering that right - at any rate a lot of them and this gives authors a lot of leeway to introduce new ones at will).
Above that we have the Universe as a whole. This is where the Cosmic Abstracts come in such as Eternity, Infinity, Death, Galactus, Master Order & Lord Chaos (and probably Oblivion). Those I think are most of the big ones. Then there are lesser abstracts such as Love & Hate, In-Betweener, Origin, Destiny, Mirage, and many others. There are also a few other pantheons of sorts within the category such as the Weird Sisters (Beauty, Truth, Charm) and The Seven Friendless (Epoch, Empathy, Eulogy, Expediency, Entropy, Epiphany, and Enmity).
Also on this level we have the various cosmic forces such as the Phoenix Force, Dark Force, Cosmic Powers, - Basically the Building Blocks behind any crazy super powerful super powers.
Above that we have Nemesis (the infinity gems bit) who is the One Before All (but this needs some examining in light of recent Marvel Events and I should look back into it again).
Above that we The Multiverse where we find beings that act across all various multiverses. There are only a limited number of these beings. The Living Tribunal and Anthropomorpho are two of them. Also, the Infinities and Atlez(Atleza?).
Above that we have The One Above All who has been referred to several different ways - The Fulcrum, Yahweh, and All-God. Also this being is generally nodded to and recognized as Jack Kirby for the work he did in creating the Marvel Universe. Expect to see a possible shake up in this area after Stan Lee dies as a nod to Stan's contributions.
Above that.... maybe some cop out something between above Marvel and DC but I don't know as I haven't read the story and haven't looked into it. Cross over events generally don't interest me but I will admit I probably need to hunt that story down and at least read it.
In this series I want to get around to looking at all this but I can generally only approach one or two things at a time. This series is building but like a house - I can only put one nail in or lay one brick at a time. Others are doing their thing but I'm not paying that close of attention b/c this series has such a limited scope - Cosmic Marvel.
And at some point I should probably do a video outlining everything I said above. I had to look at pages of notes and draw diagrams just to get this comment put together.
Marvel has recognized what a mess their lore is and has recently taken great strides to clean things up and provide some clarity by shaking up the Cosmic Order and answering a number of long held questions (such as where did the Celestials come from - we only learned the answer this past year!). I think the bigger cosmic events laid out in The Ultimates 1 & 2 series over the last year did a great job of tying most of this together while introducing new concepts and changing old ones (such as Galactus now being the Life-Bringer by creating life on planets instead of eating planets).
I hope this helps. I'll get there eventually. Thanks for watching! And thanks for the questions! I'm still a small enough channel that I can take the time to answer things like this. Glad that you found me. :) I've had a huge influx of subs over the past month (50+ is HUGE for me) and I thought a big splashy, controversial take on the origins of the Marvel Universe by reminding people that Oblivion exist(ed) when nothing else did was a great reward for that kind of new viewership. I don't chase after the latest movie or trends so this seemed like the right way to go for right now.
CosmicComics what about chaos king he existed before the creation of the entire marvel omniverse
Aj Bxing the Chaos King is said to be a part of oblivion
Exploring the extremes can birth interesting stories.
8:30 I build with many hands. They are themselves but they are also me.
I feel like you are portraying Oblivion to be a lot more powerful/important than he really is by placing him as the opposite of TOAA. However, the present cosmology is pretty messy and different than pre Secret Wars, and the thing Galactud said was from The Ultimates if I’m correct, so things may have changed in preparation for Oblivion to have a higher role. Pre Secret Wars, Oblivion, Death, Infinty, and Eternity were seen as equals and siblings. Personally, I believe that Oblivion and Death are the same, just like Infinty and Eternity are the same. I think you’re right about the M-Bodies though. I think that the cosmic compass each have a multiversal version, and the M-bodies are basically the avatars of the entity in that universe. Thats why Death has been killed many times, like in the cancerverse. Great video though, Oblivion is a super cool character and I wish they would do more with him.
Oh, yeah this was definitely a puff piece for Oblivion but I underestimated that ppl would see he has no real power. If the TOAA is everything oblivion is nothing. Like all the other cosmic abstracts he represents an idea and nothing more but Oblivion will never get a seat at the table with everybody else b/c he's always outcast and left to interact with the world only through indirect means. I am so looking forward to eventually releasing my video discussing the cosmic abstracts and their place within the marvel hierarchy but it's a video that is going to continue to take awhile to get together. The post Secret-Wars stuff has definitely added a wrench to that and they are continuing to change up the cosmology as the new universe settles in. I think it would be great to see an angered Oblivion who didn't get his chance to rule in the space between the death and rebirth of eternity this past time around. He could argue that without "his time" the scales were tipped too far in favor of eternity/infinity and that reparations must be made. Marvel will never be that cool.
I'm looking forward to it :)
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With Odin, Phoenix, and at least a Celestial coming up in Marvel Legacy, do you see yourself covering it in the future? Maybe after seeing what kind of creation/origin impact it might have, if any?
I probably won't cover any of the individual events of Legacy for some time but I am planning a video discussing the Cosmic Hierarchy and where everything ties together. After putting out the video on Oblivion, I think it would be good to to discuss everything from the ground up - Earth, Pantheon Gods, Elder Gods, Universe level things, things, the Abstract Entitities, then things that are part of/over the Multiverse, and then above the Multiverse. Then also throw in where things like Darkforce, Cosmic Powers, Pheonix Force, etc. tie into the Marvel Hierarchy. I think it would help clear up some confusion and would be a great reference video as my project moves forward.
I thought Infinity was the counterpart to Oblivion. The one above all was always rumored to be Stan Lee himself.
jack kirby
One above all is supposedly Jack Kirby. And Oblivion and Infinity do stand opposed to one another as Oblivion seeks to destroy all that is. So yes, they are counterparts (when represented within the framework of realities/multiverse) but Oblivion is so much more (less?) as he also exist outside of all realities. To him, the multiverse is nothing more than a dream that shall one day pass. Death, Infinity, Eternity, and Oblivion have gone as far as calling each other siblings but the other three still exist with reality/the timestream. When Infinity and Oblivion have their heralds face off, even then the battle takes place (I forget the exact where off the top of my head) it happens outside of the view of the Watchers and other cosmic entities. The only reason why Infinity made it into this space at all is that a portion of herself resided within Quasar when he went to said forgotten above place (possibly the realm of Oblivion). Hope that helps clarify, it gets confusing. I will discuss this in much more deatail once I get around to the Cosmos in Collision story arc. Thanks for the well thought question.
CosmicComics Thank you, yes; it is confusing. That battle took place in Quasar #25 FYI. Still makes more sense to me that Lee is the one above all but Kirby is like a counterpart in many ways too.
Jeff Marlowe you're right bro she's equal to him and actually she's bigger than him
CosmicComics the one above all is the pen and Oblivion is the white space while stanlee is the writer.
since OAA is meant to be a representation of marvel staff i feel they were being pretty literal with the name, and since oblivion along with infinity, eternity and death are the cornerstones of time and space it makes sense that he would of made them first. typically when creating anything you start with its foundation. so in regards to your uncertainty it stands to reason that the one above all has power over oblivion
Oh ,absolutely. One thing I should have stressed more and will in a future video. Is Oblivion is still one of the Cosmic Abstracts. He represents a concept but nothing more.
Then again the One Above All is still a entity in the Marvel Multiverse, he appeared in multiple comic issues so he does and or can exist as a being in the Multiverse. In that sense I don’t think he does Have power over oblivion.
@@santosbx He does though as he made Oblivion.
@@santosbx he doesn't appear in them, it's just a representation of him, like the phisical manifestations of the abstracts
@@thenovicegamer007 Oblivion says he is not created he is born
Loved it, you know this world today actually has a firmament.
What happened in the time period between the creation of the first multiverse and the 7th?
I don't have my notes in front of me but will answer this as best I can. We don't know how most of these multiverses started or ended but most of them appear to have a planet similar to Earth as we find it in Earth-616 (We haven't seen all of them so we can't say this is 100% true but each multiverse most likely holds that potential). One of the iterations was the world of the X-Men cartoons (The 4th?). Galactus comes from the 6th iteration, one of the few things to survive the end of the 6th iteration which ended in a cosmic crunch. The change from the 7th to Modern Marvel appears to be an exception to how this usually takes place (The Marvel Universe went from the 7th to the 8th in the most recent Secret Wars).
Sounds like you could combine the Colored Celestials with DC's GL lore.
Green Lantern IS one of the only good things to come from DC. I knew there was a reason.
Your video is amazing. Can you please do more? Can you talk about the full storyline about mad Jim Jasper? And or you every going to do DC comics? If not it's all good
Always working on more vids! Got a list of over 200+ that I wany to do. Real life interferes and with less than 1,000 subs I um..., am not doing this for a job (yet). But thanks for joining me on the cosmic journey! Jim Jasper is way down the list. I have sooooo much stuff to cover from the 70's 80's and 90's that House of M and all that goes with it are a long ways off. As for DC, I admit that my knowledge of their universe is pathetically slim. Plus, concentrating on the one omniverse gives this channel focus. I do know a bit about Image (and Spawn in particular) but probably won't bring that knowledge to bear here. Currently working on Cosmic Hierarchy of Marvel (it's coming slow due to the constant distraction of learning new things). It takes me a lot more time to pull info from all over than to cover a single issue or two. Thx for the comment!
CosmicComics Anytime and sorry I'd was late getting back to you. But thanks again for your video . It's amazing
You think you can do a video on Abraxas
Oh, good one! Yes, eventually. Lots of backstory and other arcs to cover before I get to him but he will get a mention when i do my video covering the various cosmic abstracts.
Just something I was thinking about in terms of the evolution of Eternity.(I am just calling every mutiverse Eternity here.)
The fifth Eternity is called the creator of magic, does that mean the concept of magic only came into being in this universe?
And then sixth Eternity is the creator of science.
So each Mutiverse is reborn with new concepts and Cosmic Entities to represent them, and not just that, new rules/new concepts allow new possibility,
I mean creatures like Elder Gods/Planet Pantheon/Humans may not survive in a previous universe, like the very concept they depend on may not exist at all.(Elder Gods may make it to 5th or earlier. But humans could just drop dead or insane, because there are nothing you can understand.) It's just my assumption though.
Kinda like a dictatorship broken into a ruling coucile or something?
So maybe that's the colored Celestials goal, to evolve the multiverse itself.
And that means new concepts and abstracts.
Obilivion to First Firemanent is from nothing to something, then it's growng more and more diverse and complicated.
I'm kind of along the lines that the first firmament is along the lines of a fallen who decided to create something and its creation decided to rebell. A fallen angel receiving its first fruits Rebellion reaps Rebellion. The reason I reference the first few minutes to the Fallen Angels tickly the way he talks about the one above all but also the way he talks about his servants and the way big dude views his servants. Don't get me wrong the whole praise and worship is I guess a close comparison but that's with almost any religion
What is the relationship between the One-Above-All and the First Firmament?
Not understood or undefined. With the introduction of The One Below All over the past week or so... things are a'changin
@@Cosmic.Comics If The One Above All and The One Below All are equal counterparts, then they would be nigh-omnipotent I would assume? Correct me if I am wrong.
From my perspective I believe if Oblivion has said somewhere along the lines you cannot imagine its true form, therefore it might be an aspect of its true self like Oblivion is the consciousness of its true form? I would say Oblivion is at least equal to TOAA and the TOBA and probably more powerful or greater if what it is saying is true.
To go deeper into this of why I would say they are at least equals is because before the TOBA, the TOAA represented Existence or Creation and Oblivion represented Nonexistence or The Void, but I would say this is wrong due to logic I have no idea if it works here but hear me out. Nonexistence, Emptiness, Void, or however you wanna call it is most likely before everything, it's basically the paper on where The Writers draw the characters, Oblivion is this Nonexistence in the Marvel Universe, so I would say it's greater in that regard, we have no idea if it can affect the Marvel Universe outside of its domain because we never saw it have the urge to do so, I would assume it believes its too powerful to do so.
But Oblivion says that you can't fathom it's true form, therefore my theory is that maybe its true form is the all-powerful supreme being in Marvel, due to the TOAA and TOBA being equal counterparts they are most likely nigh-omnipotent, since an omnipotent being has full authority over everything, and wouldn't have an equal if it did then it wouldn't make any
sense I would say.
There isnt any cosmic powers on marvel multiverse that can really defeat TOAA permanently including first firmament becuz TIAA IS ABOVE ALL WHILE IMMORTAL HULK HAS EVER DEFEATED TOBA and one thing that can defeat TOAA ISNT OBLIVION OR FIRST FIRMAMENT OR TOBA AND THEY ARENT EQUAL. EVEN THE PRESENCE FROM DC UNIVERSE CANT HANDLE TOAA POWERS. THE SPIRIT OF THE CREATURE OR THE BEINGS IN MARVEL UNIVERSE TO FIGHT TOAA IS THE ONLY THING THAT CAN DEFEAT TOAA EVEN THOUGH HOW WEAK THEY ARE
And the infinites can easily defeat thor and the gods and also eternity,infinity,oblivion,death
What’s the relation between TOAA, The first firmament and oblivion?
Oblivion represents nothingness before existence. TOAA is the creator of the first cosmos that is the first firmament.
I have a Devil's Advocate arguement.
Oblivion, being an abstract, while literally existing before existence, should be LESS powerful while existence is extant.
He would gain power as existence falters, as (lower case) oblivion comes closer.
However, when he gains what he desires (between 'existences'), he loses all power (and perhaps his own (I hate saying this) existence).
I say that, because as an abstract, if there is nothing to conceive of the abstract notion or idea, he sort of can't exist.
Other abstracts exist only within existence. Without time flowing within existence, Infinity (I hate how the names are juxtaposed): the idea of time can have no meaning. Without space having form within existence, Eternity: the idea of space can have no meaning.
Oblivion, while 'existing' before existence (by default), and existing the first moment of the end of existence, has no causality to be imagined or thought of, in the (lower case) oblivion.
All abstracts cease when Oblivion 'wins.'
Counterarguement: OAA 'existing' outside existence would guarantee Oblivion's existence.
Puny man, does your Radars or Sensors detect me. Do you feel the output of the thing you term as energy from One such as myself?
Am i, the one end of all, made of substance ...or am I?
You see me, because I let you see me.
You hear me, because I let you hear me.
When the first spark was born, I was there. When the last atom dies, I will be there.
I was there before the beginning, and I will be there beyond the end.
For I am Oblivion, your source and your destination!
(Just made that up)
wait oblivion the one that interacted with eternity and infinity was a avatar created from oblivion?
Emmanuel Hernandez Yeah
I have to watch this video at least more than twice, but as for now I would understand now Oblivion as the infinite nothingness outside of the multiverse itself? Is that why it is the counterpart of the TOAA or everything outside the mind of Jack Kirby?
This question gets hard to answer b/c the original Ultimates go outside of the multiverse and leave to "see what they can find." This was supposedly the furthest "out" anybody had been, stepping outside of known existence. So there might be more out there. Marvel has now left that door open. I think its more so that Oblivion as a concept represents non-existence (as all the Cosmic Entities are nothing more than representations of abstract concepts). In The Mighty Thor (2011) Annual #1 Oblivion states, "Before creation was... I was. Where creation ends... I wait. I am the void between life and death. Between death and rebirth. The nothing - - from which everything springs." So, once again we have Oblivion claiming that everything that does exist came from within him. I posit that Oblivion is the counterpart to TOAA b/c the TOAA represents the existence of a Marvel Universe, it is the all-powerful force. Oblivion doesn't want power, doesn't want to rule, etc. - - Instead he bides his time, waiting until once again there is nothing (and occasionally actively attempts to bring about the nothingness he desires). Also, I think of the TOAA as being represented by light and light is energy. Oblivion is the other end of that spectrum. On a side note - I would highly suggest to anybody who hasn't read The Ultimates 2 series that wrapped up last month, do so. It's only 10 issues and has to be the greatest Cosmic Story told in the last 10 years and maybe longer. I mean, that series goes all out and touches on SOOOOO many things. Eternity is in chains, Galactus stops being a planet eater, Ego is in there, the Celestials, cosmic entities die, etc., etc. This video tries to tie together some of what was revealed within that series with what I can find in Oblivion's scant 20 or so appearances to date. To make matters more confusing Oblivion does have/exist within a "Realm" of his own where heroes meet him face to face and where his heralds interact with him but think of it all as more of an abstraction than a real thing when they are there. When Iceman is there Oblivion tries to show him what Oblivion truly means by removing him from existence and as one might expect Iceman returns not remembering a thing about where he went or what took place because he simply ceased to be. Enough for now or I'll have enough to do a whole other video on!
TOAA was created by Oblivion, TOAA embodies creation but Oblivion has stated multiple times he was the one to create everything (he stated he could kill you irl)
If you want to be technical The First Firmament came before anything else only when the multiverse was created did Oblivion, Eternity, and Infinity come into existance. Read up on Oblivion on the marvel database. link : marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Oblivion_(Earth-616)
Who else thinks that “THE ALIEN ENTITY” also ties into this? He was the spark that gave the Marvel omniverse its existence!
PLEASE REPLY WITH YOUR THOUGHTS (COSMICCOMICS)!
Is this the one from Silver Surfer?
CosmicComics Fantastic Four. He appeared in 3-4 of the comics.
volume 1 531
Ok, I knew there was more than one Alien Entity. I'll have to look back into it.
CosmicComics THANK YOU!
You know, this may sound crazy, but I wouldn't be surprised if Oblivion is as powerful or almost as powerful as the OAA. I just don't see how the OAA would be able to do anything to that guy if he had to. No erasing him from existence or anything. Regardless, Oblivion has to exist. The same as all of the cosmic entities.
Omnipotent can do anything oblivion is nothing toaa
@@theanti-monitor8450 No, it's that simple. Now I'm not saying he could easily defeat TTOA, of course not. TTOA is omnipotent, omnipresent, omni everything. We all know that. But, there's not much he can do to Oblivion. I don't think you quite understand what I was saying in my original comment. Or maybe you did, and I'm not seeing where you're going with that comment.
@@theanti-monitor8450 You can't just erase Oblivion from the universe, ya know? He will always exist. Just like TOAA will always exist.
@@MarvelousPhilly if toaa cant destroy oblivion than he can't be amnipotent with amnipotent it means u can do anything at absolute power no matter what
@@theanti-monitor8450 Don't you understand exactly what he is? How can TOAA destroy something when there's nothing to destroy? Oblivion is like the poler opposite of TOAA. He's *nothingness*. Maybe you should what this video again.
Oblivion is TOAA's painting board.
Now that TOAA is also TOBA - I would say that Oblivion is back in his rightful place and is probably the closest thing the Marvel Universe has to an anti-TOAA. TOAA is creation and destruction whereas Oblivion is nothingness, stasis, an absence of creation or destruction. Been chewing on this thought since The One Below All reveal.
@@Cosmic.Comics I wish TOBA was a different character
@@Lord_Genghis_Khan Agreed - but we got what we got
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But the Beyonders are still in their own realm right?
There is a Hindu text that described a war in the heavens , that sounds similar .
Marvels hierarchy must be taken in context. It's like their telling you the same story but with different characters and varying degrees of complexity in each universe. Thanks to the errors of the Marvel creators, it would be impossible to lay out list such as what Aj Bxing is trying to do.
Can oblivion appear in the dark? Like for example uhhhmm....i turn off the lights in my room will he be there?Oblivion is the darkness before the light right? Every Darkness After the light what are they considered?Semi-blivion?
Short answer no. Oblivion only exist outside of the multiverse. He cant directly interact with it which is why he depends on various avatars/henchmen to do his dirty work.
@@Cosmic.Comics ow ok thx for the info
@@Cosmic.Comics WPotC is outside of Marvel right and she has total control of time and existence?
Good analogy on the Biblical perspective.
Geez, its like there's literally nothing that can beat Oblivion even erasure because he already lives in nothingness
For sure! But at the same time he has very little real power. He can't directly interact with the Marvel Universe. And yeah, hard to get rid of nothing.
Oblivion is like a third in a trinity. TOAA is ultimate creation, TOBA is ultimate destruction and Oblivion or The One Outside All, is ultimate absence. And their nature means none can permanently end the other
The main thing I don't understand yet about Oblivion. Why does everyone say that it is the darkness to the one above all's light. It sounds more like Oblivion represents the...for lack of a better word, "nothingness" that all life comes from and that eventually we are returned to. Not sure of what I said makes any sense but I've learned in Marvel, when discussing cosmic beings, just throw the rule book out the window.
Yep, dont hold that rulebook too tight. OAA is everything while Oblivion is nothing. That is probably is a better way to put it. One thing I should have stressed more in this video is that Oblivion is nothing, he cant directly interact with with Marvel Universe. He's not on the level with the OAA, he's just another cosmic abstract representing an idea. Video on them in the works but still a few months out.
What you said actually make sense since Oblivion himself said Everything springed from him and he wait for everything to return to him.
So if we can say everything is connected! then the statement from Adventure time can be consider an addition.
LICH: _before there was time, before there was
anything, there was nothing and before there was nothing there were monster_
suggesting before *Oblivion existed the meaningless endless white void tryed to become something resulting in a war wich ultimately oblivion won* And as we know oblivion can create things and has created things like barbatos. I think that ultimately after oblivion won the war he created the first firmament and then it created life
the story of the first firmament is like an inverted version of The Bible's story of creation, in which the celestials rebellion actually resulted in something good.
For sure.
samuel rodriguez Exactly. God placed the Earth im between the waters Above and Below. Outer Space is a lie. It's a large mass of water. Scientists have been trying to break through the Dome aka Firmament for decades now. The original comicbook writers were real open minded and had a talent for putting their beliefs between the pages of comic books. The creators of Superman (Kal-el.as in Elohim) were Jewish guys trying to survive the Hitler era. Well done my friend.
@@Throwedxiii Stop with your flat Earth nonsense. You have little to no proof of that. Scientist have proved you wrong in many parts, but you just refuse to accept any of it.
The difference between the Aspirants and Celestials are their ideology.
That is why the Aspirants are black and white, while the Celestials are colored.
If a Celestial chose to follow the Aspirant ideology, then he would become a portrayal of black and white.
Vice versa, if an Aspirant chose the Celestial ideology. They are all the same race of beings.
What is confusing is the First Firmament should be more powerful, than all of them put together. He is the creator and is in the same league as Oblivion, if he was whole. The Celestials could not even challenge the Infinity Gauntlet.
No other character besides the OAA has created an entire multiverse and who knows what else.
Thanks for commenting! OAA never created a multiverse. If anything, it created the First Firmament but we dont know that. The multiverses are an offshoot of the First Firmament as a result of the Celstial War.
I'll also add that Oblivion states that he was around prior to the multiverse. At the same time don't think of him as an all powerful entity. Oblivion is literally the King of Nothing.
At 6:00 you take a pretty big leap without stating what the universes formed into, and then call it by name without explaining
They formed into the first multiverse. The time/space between those fragments and the formation we have not been given info on. Thanks!
CosmicComics but did the universes form eternity?
Yes, the first multiverse would have been the first iteration of Eternity. Eternity was more or less birthed from the First Firmament via/as a result of the Celestial War.
CosmicComics That makes sense, thanks!
Jumping back into this... just ran across a piece of the puzzle I left out (and haven't read up on all the way yet). The Exterminators were apparently the Celestials first creation and have a role to play in the beginnings of the multiverse. Will need to address in a future video but in the mean time here is a good starting point for it: marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Exterminators_(Multiverse)
Bro WHAT ABOUT MARQUIS OF DEATH PLS MAKE A VIDEO
oblivion fans listen oblivion is the counter part of One Above all
so first firnament becomes the one above all?
No
Wait i thought nemesis was the first being he it the liveing embodiment on the infinity stones after all
I always wonders what he was
You had me until you suggested TOAA had no power over him. Aaaaand we outtie.
Just in the way he said "Colored Rebels"
It's Marvel who decided their collective origin story is tied to an anti diversity measure
*☼ what about the one below all, intit?*
Character was introduced after this video came out.
@@Cosmic.Comics fair play
I don't know, I think Oblivion is an exaggerator & is the Yang of Lady Death's Yin ☯️! As Eternity & Infinity are 2 each other
Oblivion is Azatoth?
but like where does toaa come from
From this description, CONCEPTUALLY, Oblivion stands beyond the One Above All.
Yep, should have made this more clear in the video but I was having a lot of fun with this one. TOAA would still be top dog because Oblivion is only the physical representation of an idea. The Cosmic Abstracts (Lady Death, Infinity, Mater Chaos, etc.) do interact with the world but Oblivion can't even insert himself into the fabric of reality and thus is left having to get Avatars (such as Deathurge) to enact his desire to draw all things back to a state of Oblivion. It's hard to be powerful when you are the literal representation of nothing/nothingess. I've got a video in the works but probably still several months out where I'll go into detail about the Cosmic Abstracts, the state of their existence, etc. in detail.
@@Cosmic.ComicsChaos King represents a mere fraction of Oblivion's power. He posesses an infinitesimal amount of Oblivion's might and he almost wiped out the multiverse. Let that sink in.
Only if the movie touched on this 😄😄😄blown
Maybe a better name for oblivion is the NONE outside all. For it is literally the void outside everything and between where everything is. Where reality is not is where you'll find oblivion. Btw It Was Maelstrom the deviant whom Quasar battled at the singularity at the heart of the universal black hole. Powered by the Quantum bands and by absorbing Anomaly with his own control over kinetic energy he sought to reduce the universe to a single anonymolus point of non existence where he'd reign supreme in the void.
Cosmos in Collision is probably my favorite Marvel story arc. And lets remember that it was only Maelstrom who was capable of challenging the Mad Titan wearing his gauntlet and walk away the victor. It'll never happen but that would be my top pick for a scene in A: Endgame.
@@Cosmic.Comics being the embodiment of anonomolous things he would be. All logic and reason breaks down at that point. Interesting concept.
Pronunciation: Aspirants: uh - SPY - runts
Yeah, but can Oblivion defeat Squirrel Girl?
I thought celestials were survivors from the previous universe like Galen(Galactus)
I could always get something wrong or miss a retcon but the Celstials were present when the 7th multiverse began or present at or just after creation. They didnt survive the crunch as Galen was the only living that did. There is a good chance they went somewhere else for a minute and returned but as of right now Marvel hasn't revealed what happened. We also get slightly different versions of the same celestials from one multiverse to another. All of this makes the situation complicated. I am hoping we get an answer in the upcoming history of the Marvel Universe. For a laughable read - pick up the copy they printed back in the 80's(?). Soooooo much of what is printed in the official guide has been retconned at this point that it's mostly useless.
Ok
Celestials are rebel Aspirants ( the very first race that existed, created by the first firmanent )
@@Cosmic.Comics they nearly killed their creator lol (First Firmament).
Didn't doorman get his power from him???
Nope, but the two characters are related. Doorman gets his power from being a mutant and after being resurrected Doorman went into the service of Oblivion as his Herald (replacing Deathurge in that role). Also, I can't remember 100% but I think Doormans power touches the realm oblivion exist within so it gives them another connection there.
CosmicComics what are his powers doorman
Just pulled the below material from a wiki - looks like i was a little wrong. Doorman was granted new/extra powers once he accepted the job as Avatar of Oblivion (a couple of those powers we've seen in use by Deathurge so perhaps both characters got the shared abilities from Oblivion).
Doorman is a mutant born with several innate abilities including:
Darkforce Teleportation: Doorman is a class-10 teleporter. His body is a portal to the Darkforce Dimension, allowing people or items to pass through him or walk through any solid objects Doorman stands against. When creating a door through an object, Doorman is often surrounded by floating black spheres that also create an outline of his body on the opposite side of any object.
Intangibility: Doorman's Darkforce portal is constant making him completely intangible allowing people or items to enter the Darkforce dimension against his will. Additionally, he can phase through solid objects.
Upon his death, Oblivion recruited Doorman to serve as his Angel of Death because of his connection to the Darkforce Dimension. Oblivion resurrected Doorman and granted him several powers including:
Death Sense: Doorman has enhanced cosmic knowledge allowing him to see beyond the veil of life and death. He can also see other beings travelling on ethereal planes.
Darkforce Manipulation: In addition to his Darkforce Teleportation, Doorman can also create solid objects from Darkforce such as ski poles and skis.
Flight: Doorman is capable of flight at light speed.
Superhuman Durability: Doorman cannot be physically harmed.
Costume Summoning: Doorman can change into his costume instantly.
Abilities
Doorman has some hand-to-hand combat training and is an experienced card player.
CosmicComics thanks
...😾Hhhmmm!!? Enteresting.
So OAA is like god so oblivion is OAA or his first son then firmanent then fulcrum then their kids living tribunal and so on with
I'll find the time to finish my video on the Cosmic Abstracts one day. Oblivion stands no further or lower than any other Cosmic Abstracts because in the he is nothing more than a representation of an idea given form. Oblivion is in fact, even more removed from most Cosmic Abstracts because he can't interact directly with anything that exist within the multiverse. That being said, the concept of Oblivion within the Marvel Universe is powerful and this makes him strong. I have yet to cover the fulcrum in detail on this channel but I would consider it more of a force/concept/tool/balancing mechanism. A scale that that holds things in balance and autocorrects the Universe when things begin to become unbalanced. Always working but never seen. Those coincidental moments that work in the good guys favor at the last moment, maybe that's not comic book luck - it might be the fulcrum throwing balance back into the mix. A great comic looking at the concepts of the Cosmic Abstracts and how they work/exist within the Marvel Universe is Quasar Vol 1 #37.
The more I learn about this character, the more it sounds like Marvel stole Oblivion from something out of a lost manuscript by H.P. Lovecraft.
Even death may day∴
He’s basically a conscious, non-idiotic version of azathoth.
Pls anyone then reply the most powerful entity in marvel
Where we're the Beyonders or Beyonder.
The one above all created oblivion
Name of this story??
Most of it comes from comes from the Ultimates 2 or Ice Man Limited Series
@@Cosmic.Comics idc
Oblivion>Toaa