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Quick suggestion : when you show pics, please write somewhere what comics it's coming from. Some of us may be willing to read them :)
That would be amazing and very helpful!
Yes please
for these kinds of lists yea! It would be fun to go back and look over the history again.
great idea, even just a list in description would be nice and doesnt take the time that in video editing would
He literally tells you. Tells. You.
The main issue I have with Marvel's powerhouse is its inconsistency. A character is only as powerful as the writer wants him to be. The Living Tribunal for instance will lose his place as the second man after TOAA simply because a writer wanted Nightmare to seem more powerful in a story arch. Really filled with inconsistencies it's hard to place or follow.
Exactly!!! Even Galactus right now doesn't seem like a threat anymore
I Agree! Nightmare should have Never been more powerful than Living Tribunal, or Eternity, or Galactus and plenty of others.
The Marvel Cosmic Hierarchy is slowly becoming the Adobe of cosmic hierarchies: Updating every few months, if not few weeks
I wanted to give this comment another like but...
But with the thing that made it good in the first place (Galactus/High speed) slowly getting worse with every update until it's honestly just bad.
@@spiffygonzales5160 I was talking about the number of likes being 69 at the time but that's a valid point. At this point, the abstract entities only exist to build up how powerful other characters are
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XD i was talking about OPs comment. But I see how it works with yours.
DC has no hierarchies though,tbh Marvel writers don't care about hierarchies anymore
It's like an argument in kindergarten.
- My powers are infinite.
- yea? So my powers are infinite+1.
And that's how this hierarchy looks like :P
I’ve always considered it to be a case of either output over quantity, or skill over power.
For the first, if both you and I have an infinite quantity of water, but you have a garden hose, and I have a water cannon, I’m going to be able to output a lot more than you are per minute even though we’ve both got unlimited power at our disposal.
For the second, if we both have unbreakable, unimpeachable, perfect swords than can cut through anything, block anything, and kill anything (apart from a sword of equal quality), but I barely even know how to hold it, and you’re a master warrior, you’re going to win every time, even though the powers we hold are both peerless.
Im yoyr 101th like :)
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They did mention that Thanos the infinity stones (and the cosmic cube) because deep inside him, he knew he didn't deserve them. So yeah, the "skill" part at least is underlined in the comics.
Depends on level of infinity, a infinite 3D space is infinitely smaller than a 4d infinite space .
@@kosherkrackers9328 That's a great way to look at it. To add to it are also hierarchies of infinities. For example the number of numbers divisible by 2 is going to be twice as large as the number of numbers divisible by 4 though both are infinite.
Nick fury is a cosmic being now... lol that’s trippy
Yea since original sin it's a good run and a good read a lot came out of that run.
Where do you see that
He always did kinda seem like one lol
Actually he isn't,he got reverted after uatu returned
😧 woah
The Marquis of death making that top 5 I'm calling it.
He fuckin better
Naturally this will never happen because all three of these guys are completely nuts and two of them are less trustworthy than sinister
No
Finally a proper view of the most powerful characters 😍
What would be hilarious is if Rob just late April Fooled everyone and the number one of the list was Bob, Agent of Hydra.
Pffft we all know Hellcow is the strongest.
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Idk.....worst case scenario (if the hate for the Inhumans is as great as I keep hearing), Lockjaw.
😬😂
Or he takes the royal mickey and says Batman 😂😂😂
@@kieranfay1683
OOOOOOO, I'd thought about that, but I wasnt sure if he'd go the Marvel/DC crossover route! VALID Point though if he did!
I mean, with enough prep time, Batman = The Great Equalizer.
😬😂
@@katurnasa yeah Batman is my favourite comic book character of all time period, his lore is extremely rich & I’m currently reading every comic book from 1939 to 2021 (82 years of comics) I’m only on the fifth year wish me luck 😂😂😂😂
Idk if it’s because I watch robs personal channel as well as this one but it seems like he moves all the time lol
he sounds like he's talking with his hands!
Yeah didnt he just move last year? I cant say anything ive moved like 3x since too lol
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Yeah man... I got to say I think you got this one wrong. The white phenoix of the crown should be WAAAAY higher
As much as I WANT to agree....
Probably should see the rest prior to this. Never know.
Yeah there are insane feats from other versions of the pheonix and white pheonix is millions of times stronger. And although a host can die, the pheonix can easily just continue to bring them back, the pheonix force itself can never die.
@@april-ludgate-karate-dwyer9556 weird that in the comic X-men Dark Phoenix, Prof X mentioned that The Dark Phoenix can destroy the entire multiverse if it wanted to. Big thing to say knowing that the Dark Phoenix is actually one of the weak avatars of the Phoenix
@@zimzim7255 ik, the green pheonix absorbed the mkraan crystal before, which is unimaginably big and could destroy the mulitiverse, the pheonix has even overwhelmed pre retcon beyonder with the amount of power it holds, and like again nothing can exist without it so its kinda impossible for it to loose lmao
8:39 I kind of love how Eternity is immortal and omnipresent and omniscient yet also has a really shitty memory.
Seems like that would be kind of a crippling disability when your One Job is to represent everything that has ever happened.
He didn't care about them. Says it in the next bubble.
I always thought of the limitless thing as : Person 1 has limitless powers. But they're able to produce only x amount of power in a single feat of power --> they can continue doing so endlessly, and always at the same strength
Person 2: has limitless powers, but their acts of power are x+1. A single attack of a feat of somekind has more power in it.
Basically, limitless USAGE of power, but a hard cap on how much to use at once.
i feel that still doesn't work based on the definition of limitless
@@thanos7459 It's the same principle as 1.1, 1.2 , 1.3 ad infititum VS 2.1, 2.2, 2.3. I can keep adding to the decimal place of either infinitely but I will never reach 2 or 3, 2 in this scenario being a higher god, abstract, celestial etc. The cosmic beings are all ∞ but different levels ∞1, ∞2, ∞3 and so on.
Like a garden hose you can have as much water as you want behind it but only X can come out at one time
Hope you will do one for DC too.
Yh DC's hierarchy is not talked about enough in general compared to marvel
@@ballisticbanana1481 actually its very complex and diverse compared to much linear hierarchy of marvel.
@@monitor-mindtheover-void6712 that explains why its not talked about much would love to see Rob do a video on it
@@ballisticbanana1481 sure Rob should make one video on it. I like DC's complexity and Marvel's Simplicity, both are great in their own ways.
Agree!!! I would like to see DC side too
It seems like when a hero or villain are too powerful they put themselves out of work...to me that’s the downside to comics ...
That's the writer's fault as far as I'm concerned. If they can't tell a great story involving a uber powerful character then that's just a lack of imagination.
Looking forward to seeing where The Marquis of Death lands or if he's even on the list.
Well, we have the Multiversal Eternity here, a sum, a collection of the entire multiverse into one being.
The Marquis of Death was defeated by an admittedly very powerful mutant, and Doctor Doom. I don't think he compares.
@@nicolaszan1845 he was defeated by doom but technically he only got weak enough to be defeated because he fought himself
Sorry to weak
10th on list
@@dreddiemurphy6990 I saw the video, yes.
Great video Rob! I enjoy these cosmic hierarchy videos. I'd also very much like it if you covered the recent Taskmaster mini series by Jed MacKay. It's a fun 5 issue series to introduce people to Taskmaster before the Black Widow movie!
8:40, so that means with the retcon of Manifold’s powers he actually talks to Eternity? Because in the S.W.O.R.D issue it says that Manifold can communicate with the universe and the universe does him favors, like when he rips a whole in space-time to teleport to different places. I would like to see that clarified, or does the universe talk and eternity is it’s puppet?
All we know for sure is that WPOTC is past the eternities. They arrive at the far shore and past the far shore is the WHR and WPOTC is the embodiment of the WHR
Actually if you’re the wpotc u can even transcend the WHR.
No, the multi eternity is the embodiment of "all that is" including all marvel cosmology because the house of ideas is still the part of marvel multiverse, and house of ideas is above the far shore itself.
Beyond omega level “please get rid of the intro”
Do you know of the demiurge? Cuz he should be on this list since he is pretty op
Can we get a comics explained video of the story about the First Firmament and all those other universes?
Gather Al Ewing's Ultimates run
For the love of all things funny, please Rob grace us with another RunDown episode
Yes please! I still go back to the rundown he did when Thor curb stomped Ironman after Civil War when I need a quick laugh
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I take it towards the end of this list we're gonna see guys like Franklin Richards after Merging with Galactus and stepping into the Next Multiverse, and maybe *Spoilers* The One Below All when he inhabits the body of The Hulk then causes the Eventual End of Literally Everything.
We all know how this series is gonna end.
No 2: one above all
No 1: squirrel girl
That or Pickle Rick...
0. SQUIRREL GIRL ( With the power of Plot Armour
20. Scarlett Witch
19. First Universe/firmament/ First iteration of all creation.
18. White Phoenix of the Crown
17. The Ultimate Ultimates
16. Multiversal Eternity
to be continued
Since Rob has a huge boner for Mad Jim Jaspers he'll probably rank him ahead of Eternity. 🤦♂️
@@hydradominatus3641 hell he'll put him in #1 or 2 just out of spite
Pre retcon beyonder, God Emperor Doom, TOAA, living tribunal, Zom, Protege
I doubt we'll see Jim Jaspers. Sure, he can have full control over a universe - but that's about it. The Scarlet Witch only made it on the list because her powers reached beyond that, into the whole multiverse. And she just barely made the rank.
@@SKy_the_Thunder did Scarlet Witch not alter reality on a multiversal scale? I'm confused at how she was able to affect it but not alter it
I would place WPOTC on the top 5. The Phoenix Force resides within the far Mystery. It's far beyond "beyond the Far Shore", not the Far Shore cos the Far Shore is where MultiEternity ends. Beyond that is where everything beings and the PF is even far beyond that into the Mystery
And WPOTC possesses the full totally of the Phoenix Force's power. It transcends almost every being in Marvel, even Oblivion himself which is part of The Outside.
I would place your forehead on the top 5.
@@asssassyn how sweet
@@afro_princess1671 Only for you Princess.
The Phoenix Force is actually stronger than the WPOTC. The force that lives outside the Marvel world. The Phoenix that cannot be comprehended. That had to weaken itself to be comprehended by other beings
@@zimzim7255 the thing is, WPOTC has full access of the Force's power and with human emotions. So it's the same..
WPOTC = The Phoenix Force
I would replace Scarlet witch with Cthon. Basically all her power comes from Cthon. Even Eternity admitted Cthon would destroy him if it wasn’t for Hank Pym
Wait wym by Cthon will destroy eternity if it wasn't for Hank Pym? I don't remember Cthon being that powerful 🤨 must have missed something 😕
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Hope this is better than your last recommendation
They sort of covered him during the cosmic armor Superman vid
@@An_Inconvenience At the end of dark knights metal too.
@@mrmajinsr guess what. I don care if you like this better
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I was going to say that!
Who’s that?
@@debashishratnam3139 he’s the guy that destroyed the universe Galactus was from
Damn I subbed many many years ago and I think you channel was a different name. Crazy to see ur at a million subs! Ncie
Oblivion should be 1 or 2 on this list
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About power being “more” limitless. It reminds me of something Neil Degrasse-Tyson (the astrophysicist) was talking about as to how in mathematics some Infinities (or infinite functions/equations are greater or larger than others). So it does kinda work saying it they way you did Rob.
Neil Degrasse-Tyson is a fucking hack
Oh yes instant like because TWPOC is included ❤️💯 Rob is the one the few legit comic readers who really understands and based all his opinions from one comics to another. Not just one specific issue. ❤️
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Woah, I didn't know Wanda was this powerful 🤯
She’s not and she is, there’s a lot of context and other factors that go into it😣🥴
This is something I totally forgot I wanted. Thank you.
Some infinities are greater than others. Say you have a one-inch segment, you could divide that into infinite segments only one inch long. You can also have a ruler with infinite inches. That's an example of how one infinity can be larger than the other.
I'm by no means an expert so when I put this out there I'm genuinely curious...
If the total number is one inch isn't that itself a finite number so cutting it into infinite pieces would be impossible? Wouldn't something need to be infinite to be segmented into infinite numbers?
I'm honestly confused
@@BEERU5 .01, .001, .0001inch. As you can see, I can always add another zero indefinitely. This example is a thought experiment, obviously you can'
t physically divide infinitely. The smallest unit of measure in our Universe is the Planck length, which is 1.616e-35. The amount of Planck lengths in an inch is 1.588e+33. Fun Fact- They're more planck lengths in the circumference of a grain of sand then grains it would take to fill the circumference of the observable universe.
@@_Lionsin so there's no end to how small something can get? You can just keep traveling deeper and deeper? There's no absolute smallest number?
@@BEERU5 In physical reality the planck length is the smallest increment of distance. Only the strings in string theory are theoretically this small. If u were to blow up an atom to the size of our solar system then the strings would be the size of trees on earth.
@@_Lionsin but if you blew up an attorney to the size of the solar system wouldn't it no longer be an atom and you'd be expanding the insides making the length greater? I'm curious if there's a point where things cannot get physically smaller ya know
You know it’s gonna get bananas when Scarlet Witch and the OG Universe are at the bottom of the list.
~_~
No it makes no sense.
Scarlet Witch being at the bottom? Cant believe it
@@coolitnow0013 same like im so confused
She shouldn't be in the list at all.
Next can you do history of the Dora milaje
We need to get the Rob Corps to rally around this.
Congrats on moving back! Happy for your journey
Robs comic explained videos help get me through these long work days. 🙏
Also do you have any knowledge of a herald of galactus called Tyrant ? Would love to know more about that character
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Your giving me comics explained blue balls and i dont like it i wanna know the rest of the list 😂😂😂😂
I love when Rob talks about his real life it makes me feel like we friends lol 😅
Robs my only friend these days lol
What is these comment of time stap and "Vom. Something" ive seen it in many other videos.
Evil hacker spam by bots dont click on it.
Random Dragon Ball fan: Goku can beat all of them... ULTRA INSTINCT MASTERED
Rob gon' give it to us(DMX ref)
Scarlet witch’s power just causes chaos, when linked with the life force Wanda’s powers become out of control, it messes with her and she unleashed a chaos wave that effected the entire omniverse and history, it only stopped when the Phoenix force intervened and when she said no more Phoenix the Phoenix pushed back and it ended lol I think😂 that was what I got from the comics I readd
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If there are other multiverses then imagine the marvel and DC multiverses fighting each other SOOOOOO COOOOOL
That has happened actually.
The omniverse. All multiverses exist together. So dc marvel star wars Star Trek. Heck even shrek all have their own universes in their set multiverses that exist as a whole set. Confusing but coool
@@ps3addictionz334 including the Anime universe... this includes Dragonball saga.... this is just mind blowing...
@@ps3addictionz334 Yeah the Omniverse is a great idea but I don’t even think it’s confirmed to house all of human fiction, the omniverse is like a Theory that the whole community accepts even though Marvel not DC has said thats the case..... I thought about this because In a lot of Marvel comics they use the term omniverse to describe the Marvel multiverse, not every fictional multiverse
@@sabinske8692 there was actually a comic where it mentioned superman ending up meeting Thor and The Hulk.
I'd be interested in hear more on the life and death of the multi verses, what were they like, where they anything like their cosmic representatives or totally different, why did they pass or die to form a new one.
I wasn’t expecting to see the white Phoenix of the crown in this first video, and hearing what the multiversal eternity is, I can’t believe it’s this low either. But Rob knows 100x more than me so I trust his judgement and I can’t wait for the rest of this series!
Lmao same. I was kinda offended when i heard that. Supposedly the Phoenix Force was created by toaa himself. In theory the Phoenix Force is the only omniverse entity toaa has created. At least second or third to the creator. But overall this is just a theory so I get where Rob was coming from. We still haven't seen or heard much about the Phoenix Force itself.
The Phoenix Force is second to TOAA so we KNOW it’s place at the top of these cosmic lists. However, Rob is strictly going off of comic feats, and since the biggest feat Jean has done as WPotC is breakdown and rebuild a universe atom by atom, he’s placing it lower than other “bigger/multiversal” feats. So I respect his list in THAT aspect. But if we’re going off paper then we know WPotC should be #1 on the list (since TOAA isn’t included).
WPTOC is clearly top 10. The Phoenix Force itself is clearly top 5. I’ve been reading comics since the 80s. Robs stuff is good but he isn’t the know all be all of marvel hierarchy.
limitless power is not equal to limitless potential. I think the limitation on power levels in the marvel universes are based on will, or intent, but ultimately the understanding and comprehension that a being or a power thought to do something and used their power in order to accomplish something specific.
the DMX touch was nice!
Galactus ain’t top 20 ?
Why has Marvel not given you a Job dude you know so much 😂
Where is Demiurge(wiccan) He deserve a huge spot here He is way more stronger then white phoenix of the crown or wanda or the 1st univarse
Rob!
Seriously!!! Where is our John Constantine video?
This is sick. Finally it's being done. Really hope you do one for DC.
Beyond omega level: Milk man Superman
Beyond omega level: Elaine bullock
What even is Milk Man Superman 😅
hopefully you moving back to Colorado is a good positive story Sir, love your work.
I feel like the top spots are going out to molecule man and Jim jaspers.
Marquis of Death, Beyonders, protege,
i dont think Jaspers makes this list
As I recall the original Jaspers universe had to be separated from the multiverse or the Jaspers wave would have bled into and destroyed all other existences.
i think with this list being "new" it wont account for pre-nerfed Jaspers
Jim Jaspers is on Robs 5 most powerful NON cosmic beings so if he showed up on this list it wouldnt make sense.... He did have Scarlet Witch on both lists so I suppose its possible but hopefully Rob sees the flaw and tried to avoid it in the future. Are they cosmic or non cosmic ruins both lists if theyre on both.
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Rob forgetting about the all powerful Black Bolt...the most powerful and interesting being in the multiverse 😂😂😂
I guess you could see the older iterations of the multiverse as old shells Multi-Eternity shed, growing each time and unfolding his power further.
Hope my boy legion gets some love on this list
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We all know that #1 is the one above all. There really is no debate 😂
There's always a bigger infinity.
When Franklin Richards creates a universe does that mean universal entity’s like eternity are created by him as well within those universes ?
No
@@tyronegalang5987 Yes actually. When a new universe is formed its abstracts come in to being due to them being universal constants as well even artifacts like the infinity stones are created.
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Really curious where he's going to rank Marquis of death
Hey Rob just to touch on the limitless power thing, some infinities are larger than other infinities.
A good example of this would be that there are infinite real numbers between 1 and 2 i.e 1.1 1.0004 1.2093928383 so on and so forth.
There are an infinite amount of numbers there but its not all number.
And while the infinity between 1 and 100 would be bigger than the infinity between 1 and 10, they are all still part of one singular infinity.
I see the One Above All that way. Others can be infinite, but all else falls under his infinity.
Infinity "limitless or endless in space, extent, or size; impossible to measure or calculate." based on the definition, what you say is impossible
@@thanos7459 The amount of numbers between 1 and 2 are limitless/endless, and the amount of numbers from 1 to infinity are limitless/endless. Therefore there can be more than 1.
Plus it's comics they'll never make sense.
@@thanos7459 A good way to imagine what he is describing is that you who is a finite 3d being (3.0) in the real world is infinitely more powerful than TOAA (2.∞) even though he himself is infinite in his 2D story as well. You can crush, tear, bend, break, undo, reverse, erase, smash, whatever you can think of really to TOAA with nothing but a mere pencil, but with all his infinite might he will never be able to harm you. That difference I described is effectively the same in the abstract/cosmic hierarchies.
First off thank you so much for your videos, they are amazing. A quick question, I've spent the last week spending all my free time listing to the all the xmen videos here. House of M is referenced a lot with The Scarlet Witch getting rid of "98%" of all mutants. That 98% is said a lot in the videos but in the House of M - Full story video its says there are 198 mutants left. If you round up to 200 that would make 9800 mutants total. Does the comic specify that 98%?
Can u also make dc comics lost as well
Hype
I'm happy to hear you're on your way with the move, I'm sure you both will be very happy.
...if Marquis of Death is on here, I'm out.
Hes obviously going to be on here😑
Think you could also do dc?
What about elder goddess Scarlet witch from Scarlet witch 2022 comic
Isn't she powerful than HOM version
Some infinities are larger than others. That's a thing used in number theory. The set of all real numbers are infinite, but smaller than the set of all rational numbers, which are again smaller than the set of all irrational numbers, things like that. It gets really screwy when you look at it long enough. Also being limitless in one way does not mean being limitless in all ways.
I know MM isn't a cosmic being, but FYI...Post Secret Wars 2015 MM created the 8th multiverse. With the power of the ENTIRE Beyonders race, He can edit and reorder the building blocks of "ALL" of creation. Multi-Eternity is the sentience of the 8th multiverse. Post secret wars Molecule Man stands above everyone except DC's heavenly beings (Michael, Lucifer, Elaine, Presence, GD and the Monitor-Mind (Overvoid). And only the TOAA in Marvel.
The fact that the Sentry defeated him in battle, was simply a writer not keeping proper continuity.
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You dont have 4 hrs to do anything...nobody is making you do videos...no job no deadline???....and ALL your video s are YOUR interpretation..im glad you know your OPINIONS are NOT fact....
Can we please get....
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From what i understand The Ultimate Ultimates is the every itteration of Marvel Multiverse. What we are now is the 8th itteration , so the 7th is where Galactus from , soon the 8th will be destryed and Franklin will be The Galactus of the 8th and Transfer to 9th itteration. The differences between them is the differences in the content in them. The newer the itteration the more content in them ( content being more varions magic , tech , universal rules / variances etc. ).
So i dont think everyone of them have like Galactus , SW , Dr Strange etc. Because its more like an excluseve content(concept) to the 8th.
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@Comics Explained when trying to understand the difference between something that is limitless and something that is more limitless. It may help to understand the order of infinities. Do some googling. I’m sure you’ll find some good sources. TLDR, there are more numbers between one and 1.1(real numbers) then there are on the entire number line(natural numbers,). The number of numbers between one and 1.1 is uncountably infinite. The number of natural numbers on the number line is countably infinite. Which is to say if you had an infinite amount of time, you could count one second for one number on the number line and match them one-to-one. even if you have an infinite amount of time, you can never count all of the numbers between one and 1.1. It’s fascinating. I believe the order of infinities is what drove. John Nash insane in a beautiful mind. It is sometimes referred to as the most dangerous knowledge in the world as it seems to have that effect on mathematicians. Uncountably infinite things are a greater infinity than countably infinite things. Countably infinite things are the smallest infinity possible.
Oh and no, scarlet isn't a multiversal level being, no matter how bad her fanboys want her to be, and I'm a fan of her.
what. beast even said that she prolly effected the omniverse too Lmao
@Sachintha Fernando lol no. Only thing he said about wanna as far as i know is that, she is a Nexus being affecting her universe. Nexus being don't have multiveral powers. Then all of them would be multiversal powerhouses. Jean Grey is an Nexus being, and I'm not even talking about Phoenix. As Phoenix, she affects the omniverse. As a Nexus being and as a Omega level mutant, Jean is far superior to Wanda, but i don't call her multiversal, not without Phoenix at least.
@Sachintha Fernando you do that's all a bs storyline, just like any writer can come up and say anything. If by your logic, squirrel girl is the God of comics. She can destroy any multiverse, dc or marvel at will. That Jean isn't main Jean, it's a different version. Original jam never reached her full potential when she faced Wanda, while Wanda was at full power. An Omega level telepath like Jean would beat Wanda any day of the week.
By your logic, i can pull up bunch of instances where Jean would annihilate the multiverse even without Phoenix. But I'm not doing that. Small stories or stories written once and always forgot don't mean anything. Perfect examples are, Matthew Malloy, protege, squirrel girl ...
@Sachintha Fernando Phoenix is omniversal and it's a fact. It's not a fanboy thing. An Omega level telepath, and the most powerful one at it, can defeat wanda. Tomorrow, the writers can say Wanda is the God, the next month, they will make her weaker than black widow, while iron man is a celestial. It's all bs, marvel writers don't care about continuity. Historically and logically, an Omega level telepath and telekinetic is much more powerful than Wanda
And Yeah, I think he gets that from Jeff Goldblum who is famous for saying the word yeah exactly that way.
Although I admit it works for his voice pretty well too.
Jesus the Phoenix is so played out I'm tired of seeing her in comics literally.
They need to either kill her off permanently or move the Phoenix force onto another character permanently.
Same thing with Thanos and Dr. Doom they need to die and stop popping up.
Marvel needs to grow it's Universe again.
Would help if Disney would stop executing Avengers by kling them off for a one shot series of films although they were good films killing off critical characters or villifying them kinda sucks.
To be honest I think Disney wants to kill off all Marvel heroes and and go with characters like Miss Marvel because Disney likes promoting Child and Teen actors as thier thing.
But hey
Why should I expect more from those who feed small children to alligators without one warning sign posted to warn parents.
Ever since Disney got Marvel it's been down hill Even the Series Wandavision, Falcon winter soldier and Loki pretty much sucked with cheap obvious production and and a lack of cash, Nothing like Agents of Shield which was awesome and created under Marvel when Marvel was still Marvel.
Sorry but to be honest Agents of Shield is is whole new level compared the crap Disney is pumping out.
I will have to disagree with TWPOTC. She should have been way higher than this. But I understand your reasoning. Anyway I appreciate your effort. 🙌
Yeah a being can have ‘limitless’ powers or abilities but that doesn’t mean they are more powerful than even someone who DOES have limits…. Cos limitless doesn’t mean they’re utilising that level of power they could have POTENTIAL to reach any level of power hence the limitless but only utilises power less than say Thor - unlikely I know but yeah it’s how I’d explain why limitless doesn’t = most powerful