This is really valuable - I have not found too many people talking about their mindset while editing, and getting into this level of detail. I'm currently about to work on a weeks worth of drone footage, and this style of additive workflow seems like a perfect fit for making sense of all those clips.
Beautiful video. Precise but good pacing, perfect to show the process and I learn new hotkeys. Thank you so much, hope you're having a great day. New sub.
Yeah subtractive works for most things. It’s also less creatively taxing. Additive really comes into its own on a large project and particularly when you start painting pictures over your working timeline.
This is one of the best channels for video editing. Concise and provides the explanations for the thought process. May the algorithm eventually reward you as richly as deserved, Josh! (Might even be a talking point for the end matter: “I hear from a lot of people that what I am doing is really helpful, but it’s a little different than the flashy videos. If you want more of this you should subscribe because UA-cam may not show my videos to you otherwise”, something like that. Consider it…)
Wow this is a much better workflow. Creating constraints around what you as an editor have access to while decreasing the amount of clicking, dragging and scrubbing. Thank you so much for this!
Thanks for this tutorial, I tried getting my clients to move to this way of editing but they don't like it & I understand why. This method is best suited for solo creators or for those who shoot exactly to script & edit to script. My clients want to see all the takes & then decide which one they want for final timeline, so in my case I send them all the proofs which include all the takes along with file number, they select the final file numbers. After thire selection I start editing in trim edit mode, that way I have whole length of clip available to me right up to final version & clients often want to cut short or add bit more in the final version, so trim edit helps. Using the sub clip method that would not be easy as will require many sub clips to be recreated.
You can edit sub clips in the timeline with handles so that should be possible. I send clients dailies as well, but often do a quick breakdown so they just see the ‘useable’ footage.
As I grew up as a film editor in television this is a similar way we used to work. We would choose our clips from rushes viewed on a PicSync or Moviola and hang them up in a bin. Then these were the clips we rearranged to create the edit. I have always thought that this is where the Cut Page comes in as you can view all the rushes as a timeline and choose the clips from there. I am really not sure why more people don't use the Cut Page for the initial selection and viewing of rushes. I think also it can be useful to do a rough cut (another thing we used to often do as film editors) before refining it in the Edit Page. Maybe it is just they were never film editors originally.
There’s so much value for us in understanding how editing originated with film. Something I’m trying to learn more about. Also the cut page admittedly is somewhere I need to spend more time in to fully understand the workflow. Thanks for the reminder!
Great video, Joshua. Concise and well explained concept. My one hesitation with subclips is the loss of handles on either side of the sub-clip. Sometimes in/out points of a sub-clip need to be adjusted after they're in an edit on the timeline and with sub-clips you're 'locked in' to your in/out points chosen at the start. I know you could always pop back into the source footage and generate a new sub-clip if you needed to, but it's one minor annoyance about this approach over subtractive.
I was worried about this as well. You can actually right click and edit source clip to extend it, or when you first generate the sub clip you can preserve the handles.
You remind me of the Hillsong Church editing team in Sydney in the 2008-2012 era. I was there as a student and hung around the editors in the edit suites gleaning as much as I could from them. Your approach is exactly how I saw them working. Not sure if this is a complement in your eyes, but I do mean this as a compliment to you.
Excellent video Josh! I'm new to DaVinci coming from Premiere and your videos are already helping a lot. I'm just very curious to know if you ever use the cut page in DaVinci, and if you do what is it that you do there? Haha thank you very much!
Joshua, thank you a lot for reviewing this approach. Still it is so way far from being comfortable and effective. Hopefully the DaVinci Resolve Team will be able to make the selection process at least close to the workflow presented in FCPX (it is so fast and easy there with using favorites) I use subclips myself - it's great that you can add keywords to them and organize all of the footage, but pressing Enter each time when you do a lot of selection is crazy :) Also there are some bug reports when using Subclips for files when proxies are connected (audio shifts). I experienced it myself several times, the only workaround I found is to not attach the proxies but to relink the original files to proxies. Also there is a bug when you want to combine both of the approaches - move selected clips from the timeline to a separate bind and create subclips for those parts. It doesn't work the proper way and there is no opportunity to create multiple subclips at once. I also explored the duration markers workflow (the logic there is very close to the FCPX) but working with them is even worse (no ability to preview the selected parts)
I am finding--new user, Resolve's selections OK. Coming from Premiere it's' quite impressive, as a professional software tool. BMR is effective--yet still a few car lengths behind Premiere, but it is certainly on the autobarn to becoming the go-too editing software; as opposed to its very well known colour grading position. I hate the subscription model of Adobe and BMR is by far the best option to make a transition. Thank you for the tute!
Yes I agree with all of this. FinalCut workflow with favourites is really awesome. One of the main features I wish Davinci had is that ability to create sub clips from a range of clips in a timeline, especially when you have created a sync with audio manually in the timeline. It is really stopping the ability to use a subtractive method of breaking down your footage in a timeline.
Hey Josh thank you for the video. I am not sure if I am going to switch from selecting the Files in the timeline than Doing in the media page. We will See
Great video! Your content is so helpful. Question... your "shift-J/L" which goes from clip to clip in the browser.. that seems to work when your in the browser window, but when you go from your I/O - subclip, it doesn't work. Do you have to select something else to get back to browser so that works?
This is very much the way Final Cut X approaches editing. Having recently switched to Resolve I still really miss the speed and simplicity of FCPx handles “subclips” using keywords (or favorite) assigned to any segment of a clip defined by a In and Out point. A way to mimic this in Resolve is turning In and outs into Duration markers and apply keywords there. That will automatically create a keyword smartbin in which you will find the subclip corresponding to your In and Out point. Not sure I’m clear .. it’s actually more complicated to explain than to do .. (even if resolve is still far from the streamlined workflow of FCP in that regard)
I’ve never used Final Cut for a full project but I hear a lot that this is the main feature keeping people in Final Cut. I’m agree there are lots of things I wish Davinci would implement, but I’m hopeful it will develop quickly.
This is really valuable - I have not found too many people talking about their mindset while editing, and getting into this level of detail. I'm currently about to work on a weeks worth of drone footage, and this style of additive workflow seems like a perfect fit for making sense of all those clips.
Josh your vids have transformed my editing workflow - please keep 'em coming!
Appreciate this! Thanks for the support and glad they are helping.
Beautiful video. Precise but good pacing, perfect to show the process and I learn new hotkeys. Thank you so much, hope you're having a great day. New sub.
Learned so much (again) Thanks Joshua!
Pleasure thanks for watching!
Interesting workflow. I always worked in a
"substractive mode" and after watching this video I decided to try an "additive" one
It’s a great way to stay fresh and get into a different mindset with the same footage.
Nice one mate! I am a subtractive editing kinda of guy, but totally see the power of additive. Great work on the video!
Yeah subtractive works for most things. It’s also less creatively taxing. Additive really comes into its own on a large project and particularly when you start painting pictures over your working timeline.
This is one of the best channels for video editing. Concise and provides the explanations for the thought process. May the algorithm eventually reward you as richly as deserved, Josh!
(Might even be a talking point for the end matter: “I hear from a lot of people that what I am doing is really helpful, but it’s a little different than the flashy videos. If you want more of this you should subscribe because UA-cam may not show my videos to you otherwise”, something like that. Consider it…)
Appreciate this, means a lot! Thanks for the video script as well, I’ll keep that in mind :-)
u r a beast man amazing
Wow this is a much better workflow. Creating constraints around what you as an editor have access to while decreasing the amount of clicking, dragging and scrubbing. Thank you so much for this!
Hope it helps!
Shift J, k, l is new to me.. 😊 Thanks 🙏🏻
No problem, this is a custom shortcut setup for select next clip.
I have never commented on a video but your content is so good. I have learned so much.
Thanks so much! Appreciate taking the time to comment! 🙏
Thanks for this tutorial, I tried getting my clients to move to this way of editing but they don't like it & I understand why. This method is best suited for solo creators or for those who shoot exactly to script & edit to script. My clients want to see all the takes & then decide which one they want for final timeline, so in my case I send them all the proofs which include all the takes along with file number, they select the final file numbers.
After thire selection I start editing in trim edit mode, that way I have whole length of clip available to me right up to final version & clients often want to cut short or add bit more in the final version, so trim edit helps. Using the sub clip method that would not be easy as will require many sub clips to be recreated.
You can edit sub clips in the timeline with handles so that should be possible. I send clients dailies as well, but often do a quick breakdown so they just see the ‘useable’ footage.
This man is top of his game.
Appreciate it, still learning new things every day as well!
As I grew up as a film editor in television this is a similar way we used to work. We would choose our clips from rushes viewed on a PicSync or Moviola and hang them up in a bin. Then these were the clips we rearranged to create the edit.
I have always thought that this is where the Cut Page comes in as you can view all the rushes as a timeline and choose the clips from there. I am really not sure why more people don't use the Cut Page for the initial selection and viewing of rushes. I think also it can be useful to do a rough cut (another thing we used to often do as film editors) before refining it in the Edit Page. Maybe it is just they were never film editors originally.
There’s so much value for us in understanding how editing originated with film. Something I’m trying to learn more about. Also the cut page admittedly is somewhere I need to spend more time in to fully understand the workflow. Thanks for the reminder!
Great video, Joshua. Concise and well explained concept. My one hesitation with subclips is the loss of handles on either side of the sub-clip. Sometimes in/out points of a sub-clip need to be adjusted after they're in an edit on the timeline and with sub-clips you're 'locked in' to your in/out points chosen at the start. I know you could always pop back into the source footage and generate a new sub-clip if you needed to, but it's one minor annoyance about this approach over subtractive.
I was worried about this as well. You can actually right click and edit source clip to extend it, or when you first generate the sub clip you can preserve the handles.
@@JoshuaKirkNZ Oh neat, will try that out! Thanks :)
You remind me of the Hillsong Church editing team in Sydney in the 2008-2012 era. I was there as a student and hung around the editors in the edit suites gleaning as much as I could from them. Your approach is exactly how I saw them working. Not sure if this is a complement in your eyes, but I do mean this as a compliment to you.
Thanks! Sounds like they may have been using Avid at the time?
Excellent video Josh! I'm new to DaVinci coming from Premiere and your videos are already helping a lot. I'm just very curious to know if you ever use the cut page in DaVinci, and if you do what is it that you do there? Haha thank you very much!
Joshua, thank you a lot for reviewing this approach. Still it is so way far from being comfortable and effective. Hopefully the DaVinci Resolve Team will be able to make the selection process at least close to the workflow presented in FCPX (it is so fast and easy there with using favorites)
I use subclips myself - it's great that you can add keywords to them and organize all of the footage, but pressing Enter each time when you do a lot of selection is crazy :)
Also there are some bug reports when using Subclips for files when proxies are connected (audio shifts). I experienced it myself several times, the only workaround I found is to not attach the proxies but to relink the original files to proxies.
Also there is a bug when you want to combine both of the approaches - move selected clips from the timeline to a separate bind and create subclips for those parts. It doesn't work the proper way and there is no opportunity to create multiple subclips at once.
I also explored the duration markers workflow (the logic there is very close to the FCPX) but working with them is even worse (no ability to preview the selected parts)
I am finding--new user, Resolve's selections OK. Coming from Premiere it's' quite impressive, as a professional software tool. BMR is effective--yet still a few car lengths behind Premiere, but it is certainly on the autobarn to becoming the go-too editing software; as opposed to its very well known colour grading position.
I hate the subscription model of Adobe and BMR is by far the best option to make a transition.
Thank you for the tute!
Yes I agree with all of this. FinalCut workflow with favourites is really awesome. One of the main features I wish Davinci had is that ability to create sub clips from a range of clips in a timeline, especially when you have created a sync with audio manually in the timeline. It is really stopping the ability to use a subtractive method of breaking down your footage in a timeline.
Hey Josh thank you for the video. I am not sure if I am going to switch from selecting the Files in the timeline than Doing in the media page. We will See
Thanks for watching. Definitely has its place for certain processes.
Great video! Your content is so helpful. Question... your "shift-J/L" which goes from clip to clip in the browser.. that seems to work when your in the browser window, but when you go from your I/O - subclip, it doesn't work. Do you have to select something else to get back to browser so that works?
What about using in and outs and then doing Markers (based on range) or Keywords instead of Subclips?
This is very much the way Final Cut X approaches editing. Having recently switched to Resolve I still really miss the speed and simplicity of FCPx handles “subclips” using keywords (or favorite) assigned to any segment of a clip defined by a In and Out point. A way to mimic this in Resolve is turning In and outs into Duration markers and apply keywords there. That will automatically create a keyword smartbin in which you will find the subclip corresponding to your In and Out point. Not sure I’m clear .. it’s actually more complicated to explain than to do .. (even if resolve is still far from the streamlined workflow of FCP in that regard)
I’ve never used Final Cut for a full project but I hear a lot that this is the main feature keeping people in Final Cut. I’m agree there are lots of things I wish Davinci would implement, but I’m hopeful it will develop quickly.
For noobs, I would show them how to use multiple timelines. It's both additive and subtractive and much easier than listing off a bunch of hotkeys.
Do you mean stacked timelines?
@@JoshuaKirkNZ yep thats the term for it.
Hi Josh
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