I only just recently discovered this channel, and I do the same thing - it's a great motivator for pulling out specific CD's from the collection, or buy the missing albums, for sure! (This is the reason I am listening to Bonded by Blood as we speak)
This is still one of the best series on metal UA-cam period These are always such a good way to learn about the bands and get a bit of context behind everything. And another great installment
@@thrallsofmetal I agree with the distinguished gentleman Tapwater56766 - also, the fact there are three to five of you means there's a lot room for different perspectives. Something which is almost never present with solo reviewer videos, even if they can be really great, too! Just would prefer more friends gathering together for these things. Keep'em coming, if you don't mind, good sirs!
Meshuggah is so awesome, One of the heaviest bands ever 11: The Violent Sleep of Reason 10: Catch 33 9: Immutable 8: Contradictions Collapse 7: Nothing 6: I 5: None 4: Obzen 3: Destroy Erase Improve 2: Koloss 1: Chaosphere
Love these album rankings because it forces me to revisit albums I haven’t heard in a while, or ones I haven’t heard altogether. Thank you all for putting in the time to do these, look forward to the next one!
Thanks for not ranking The Violent Sleep Of Reason lower. Other people shit on that album and that's my main go to and my dog loves to listen to it on our walks. I'm so glad you guys finally did this ranking
MESSHHUUUUUUGGGAAAAHHHHHHHHH! 1.ObZen 2. Destroy Erase, Improve, 3.Contradictions Collapse 4. Chaosphere 5. Nothing 6. The Violent Sleep Of Reason 7. Koloss 8. Immutable 9. Catch 33 Good to see the rest of the gang get together at the same time. Well done guys. Keep the content coming.
Enjoyed this so much, always great seeing all the boys in on one video. Excited for the glam metal ranking despite not listening to any glam at all, would also love for Watain or Behemoth to be a voteable band in the BM category, they're probably my all-time #1 and 2 in the genre. Can't wait to vote regardless. Thank you guys so much for the entertainment you provide!
Necrotic Nick- Thanks, man! Yeah, I'll probably have the voting up for glam metal up at some point tonight or tomorrow. I think I have my 4 bands. Who knows, that one might be fun regardless of which band gets picked.
I was waiting for this one. I saw that you included "None" and "I", so: 11- Contradictions Colapse 10- Immutable 9- Catch Thirty Three 8- None 7- ObZen 6- Destroy Erase Improve 5- I 4- The Violent Sleep of Reason 3- Chaosphere 2- Koloss 1- Nothing Meshuggah is my favourite metal band, so the lowest ranking for me would've been something like 3C or 3D, but like you gentlemen say, you have to put numbers on things. I also wish the other EPs were included, but I understand that in most of them, many songs were demos that ended up being songs in full length albums. That being said, there are a lot of good stuff coming from their EPs, like their self titled, "Rare Trax" or "Pitch Black", so if anyone reading this hasn't explored Meshuggah EPs, they go recommended!
Necrotic Nick- Well, I don't want to spoil anything but we might have some overlap here. I've been listening to Meshuggah since I saw them open for Tool in 2001 and I've been a fan ever since so I was looking forward to this one. We just added None and I because they're a bit more landmark than their other EPs and they showed some evolution in their sound.
Meshuggah are definitely one of the most influential bands in metal with their polyrhythmic riffs and drumming. Many modern metal bands all owe their influence to Meshuggah. I think all albums are good but these top 5 are amazing. Here is my ranking: 11. Contradictions Collapse 10. I EP 9. Immutable 8. The Violent Sleep of Reason 7. None EP 6. Koloss 5. Catch Thirtythree 4. ObZen 3. Chaosphere 2. Destroy Erase Improve 1. Nothing
Seven minutes in, and I'm already super happy to see some love for Contradictions Collapse! It's crazy underrated, I go back to it more than some of the newer stuff.
Necrotic Nick- I dig that album but oddly it's not the album I reach for when I want to listen to Meshuggah since it's such a different one. I'd go for that one when I'm looking for stuff like Coroner or Sadus... if I wasn't already listening to Coroner or Sadus.
Nice. Been waiting a while for this one. Looking forward to what band rankings are chosen in the future. Including the EP’s, my ranking would be as follows: 1: obZen 2: Destroy, Erase, Improve 3: Chaosphere 4: Contradictions Collapse 5: The Violent Sleep of Reason 6: I 7: Nothing (original version) 8: Koloss 9: Immutable 10: Catch 33 11: None
Necrotic Nick- I hope you dug it, man. Man, that is probably the lowest I've seen Nothing on anyone's list but I get it with this band and some of their eras being very different.
Ah man! Y’all did my fav catch 33 dirty ;-;. It’s my personal favorite Meshuggah record. Once I thought of the record more like a Stoner Doom or Sludge metal record like Sleep’s Dopesmoker it clicked into place for me. The slower tempo, the fact it’s based on one riff that evolves over the course of the record makes it so trippy to me. It feels like entering into a void of rusty pipes, crumbling brick walls and no light to be found.
Damn dude!! I didn't realize Meshuggah had this many albums. I've only heard about four of these and have never purchased a Meshuggah album. Always enjoyed what I've heard. Thanks guys for the eye opener, cheers 🍻
It's very cool that Wolfgang Van Halen is a big fan of them. I still remember on how I discover Meshuggah, they played at a festival in my hometown in 2010 and a friend of mine at the time who's a big fan of them told me he and some other friends they were going to see this awesome band and I followed along and I became a fan instantly after the performance. ObZen, Koloss and Contradictions Collapse is my very favorites by them. Please add Hypocrisy to the voting, they deserve a ranking.
Necrotic Nick- Wolfgang's got some good taste then. Yeah, I saw them for the first time opening for Tool and I had no idea what to make of them but I was intrigued. That got the ball rolling and I've been a fan pretty much ever since.
Great video gentlemen. Destroy Erase Improve is number 1 for me, it's a classic. I remember reading the review in Metal Maniacs Magazine, which they declared it was a groundbreaking masterpiece. Other favorites are None EP, Nothing, and I EP.
Necrotic Nick- Thanks, man! Yeah, I'd say DEI changed the metal landscape forever and Meshuggah just kept pushing boundaries after that. Honestly, I love pretty much this entire discography except Catch 33. I still struggle with that one.
Well, guess what I'm watching at least 3 times this week.. . Easily in my top 10 bands of all time! Was very fun to watch the premiere for this! \m/ My list: 11) I EP 10) Contradictions Collapse 9) Catch 33 8) None EP 7) Violent Sleep of Reason 6) Immutable 5) Destroy Erase Improve 4) Koloss 3) Nothing 2) Chaosphere 1) Obzen
Nice, I was waiting for this ranking. Saw Meshuggah live back in December, and it was a face-melting experience. My ranking would probably be something like this, but some these albums I have to listen to more admittedly so it would probably change around in the future: 1. Destroy, Erase, Improve 2. Chaosphere 3. ObZen 4. I EP 5. Koloss 6. Contradictions Collapse 7. Nothing 8. Immutable 9. The Violent Sleep of Reason 10. None EP 11. Catch Thirtythree (Was never able to get into this one like you guys, but interestingly a lot of people seem to think this is their best album or one of their best and I never really understood why)
Necrotic Nick- I was excited to get this one out. I've been a fan of this band for awhile and it was just fun to go through all of this stuff. Our top 3 are pretty close and yeah I'm with you on Catch 33. I just see that as a oddity in the discography but I guess it has it's fans for sure.
I’m so stoked. I will be wearing my catch 33 merch for the premiere, and a day before my birthday too! Hope all is well with you guys! Keep up the great work! 1. Catch 33 2. Obzen 3. DEI 4. Nothing 5. Chaosphere 6. Koloss 7. VSoR 8. Immutable
I had a rough time ranking these as they shift around a lot in my mind based on my mood and what I'm feeling in that moment, and honestly I love them all, but here's my try at it: 1. Obzen 2. Catch 33 3. Nothing 4. Destroy Erase Improve 5. Chaosphere 6. Koloss 7. The Violent Sleep of Reason 8. Immutable 9. I 10. None 11. Contradictions Collapse I got into the band about 5-6 years ago when I first heard Bleed, which I sort of bounced off of the first few times, but kept coming back to it and eventually started diving into different songs here and there, and eventually dove headfirst into their entire discography about 3 years ago and I've been hooked ever since. They're my favourite band, and I finally got the chance to see them live on the Immutable tour back in December and they were amazing!
Necrotic Nick- I'll be honest, all of these rankings are tough and I reorder stuff all the time on my lists. I genuinely think that Bleed spawned a legion of fans with that monstrous single and it's a great starter song. The song that probably really clicked with me first was New Millennium Cyanide Christ. When I finally got the groove to that song I was hooked and everything fell into place. I still love the hell out of this band I'll probably be a fan for life.
Cool video guys! I love Meshuggah and it's difficult to pick a favourite. Probably Obzen or Koloss for me. Obzen is an amazing album as a whole and Koloss just has an awesomely creepy atmosphere. Seeing Meshuggah live in Helsinki the coming Saturday.
Necrotic Nick- Thanks, man! yeah, this one was tough. I've been a fan of this band for years and pretty much they always deliver. Have fun at the show, man! Meshuggah kills live!
These rankings are always entertaining. Meshuggah is tough for me, because I really dig almost everything they've done. I also agree that Catch 33 was a misfire. I go back and forth on my #1 and #2 all the time. Well, I guess I go back and forth with all these albums over time. Incredible band. 1. Koloss 2. Obzen 3. Nothing 4. Destroy Erase Improve 5. Immutable 6. The Violent Sleep of Reason 7. Chaosphere 8. Contradictions Collapse 9. Catch 33 Here are some bands I would love to see you guys rank: Behemoth, Dying Fetus, Lamb of God, King Diamond, Nile, Goatwhore, Deicide.
It's always interesting to hear a discussion on a top3 band of mine. To me their golden period was from None to Catch with a few highlights afterwards which is reflected in my ranking. 1. Catch Thirtythree 2. Chaosphere 3. Nothing 4. Destroy Erase Improve 5. I 6. None 7. Koloss 8. Immutable 9. Obzen 10. Contradictions Collapse 11. Violent Sleep of Reason
Necrotic Nick- Yeah, Catch 33 didn't age very well for me. I still feel like they got kinda lost in the concept on that one and it just never gelled with me. Still, this band was tough to rank as I pretty much dig all their albums.
Great ranking as always. Personally, I love to see what Nick comes up for glam metal. Not all glam bands are bad. Dokken or Ratt has some killer albums, although entertainment-wise, I would love to see you guys suffer through Bon Jovi or Poison. 😂
Meshuggah are reinventive in a industry fully satured.They were able to self-labelled by creating and smarten up a style in heavy metal music,which is approached by them only. I believe that Meshuggah are among a fewer of bands whose the main stand-out is being a band with its own identity without ripping off others from the same ilk.
Necrotic Nick- Their originality at the time and then how they went from being on an island musically to being a band with it's own subset of metal. It reminds me of how Carcass constantly shifted and with almost every shift for awhile they had bands that emulated their sound.
@@thrallsofmetal Perfectly statement,Carcass is a classic example of how to make a sucessful transition without vanishing as a band.Also Death was able to manage it very well by itself way then changing the manner of working and creative process as well.Another stance I can cite is Sepultura whose the innovative scheme was the game-changing in their carriers as well as surviving as a band.Elsewhere,for all those stubborn to turn the game around and improving themselves as a truly product to be showed to the public beautifully and spellbindingly to consuming as a flawless merch if they don't do it or cannot see it like business to be worked out constantly by them,they will fade in oblivion.
NONE EP is hands down my favorite MESHUGGAH release, bought it when it came out and at the time nothing came even close to the sound of this and it completely blew my socks off. And now I'm 11 minutes in to this video and so hyped up that it's included and moments later 3 out of the 4 of you basically take a dump on it. Boggles my mind, but I guess it depends on when you got into the band so I'm gonna keep watching just to get that info. Perfect release in my eyes.
Necrotic Nick- Hey! Not a problem, man! Yeah, Catch33 didn't age that well for me honestly. I know Miller really wants to do that band so it'll probably happen in the future.
Let's be real, the top half of my list is so close that they might as well be all the same rank, but here goes: 1. Obzen - My first Meshuggah album, and boy what an introduction. There's like only one track I'm meh on, rest is gold. 2. Chaosphere - Lives up to the name, love the energy on it. Just wish the production had the meatier sound the later albums have, then it'd be perfect in my eyes. 3. Nothing - This and Obzen are what I consider quintessential Meshuggah. You wanna know what they're about, you'll want this. 4. Catch 33 - Wow, I did not expect my opinion and the Thralls' to be so different, but that's how it goes I guess. Probably helps in my case that I'm also a Dream Theater fan and have a taste for these kinds of sprawling multi-track concepts with a two-digit minute count, but yeah, I love how many places this goes musically, "In Death - Is Life/Death" works as a great song on its own that I'm glad gets live play, and holy heck do the concluding tracks hit hard. 5. Destroy Erase Improve - Again, first half of my list might as well be all the same rank. Catch 33 edged out due to it hitting me harder, but if I was being more objective this could have taken a higher spot due to its sheer quality. "Future Breed Machine" remains untouchable. 6. Koloss - No shortage of bangers, "Demiurge" is a fave, but I didn't feel like I needed this one as much as the above entries. I'm also a bit less into Jens' vocals from here onward in their discography. 7. None - No complaints, and I like "Aztec Two-Step," it's just clearly a step on the way to the gold they would make later on. 8. Contradictions Collapse - For what it is, decent thrash album. Just not what I listen to these guys for. 9. The Violent Sleep of Reason - Honestly I need more spins with this one before I can give it a fair ranking, but after Koloss I haven't been in a hurry for some reason. Haven't checked out I or Immutable, definitely should at least do the former considering my liking of Catch 33.
I actually loved catch 33 when I first heard it. I had Future Breed Machine downloaded on Limewire! I loved some parts of the song but back then, the vocals at the end made me laugh. Years later, I 'm at a friends house and the last three songs from Catch 33 played and wow, it sounded so much better to me at the time. I couldn't believe it was the same vocalist. Today, I actually love the older style of Jens and sometimes even prefer it, especially on None. Jens sounds so good on that EP. He's slightly more dynamic then today but his level of consistency is unmatched in the more modern albums. 33 would still fall at like 7 or 8 but it would be slightly higher. The re release of Nothing is probably number one and then Obzen. Koloss and Violent Sleep of Reason are BANGERS! They would both be top 5. I'm glad Miller mentioned the rhythm guitar in Sleep of Reason. They do that a few times on the album and they are my fav parts. The drum fill/breakdown part in Monstrosity literally MAKES the song. They could have dragged that part out for even longer to help that track out a bit because the drum audio sounds weak when the first verse starts.
I cant give a whole list but catch 33 is one of the greatest things ever. That's some serious serious songwriting skills. The way riffs keep popping back up but altered ever so slightly or new riffs are just a reworking of things that have appeared before is absolute genius. I love that album so much and between c33 and I is my favorite era. They were absolutely on another level
Necrotic Nick- I still can't get into Catch 33. It does a lot of cool things but for me it kinda drags and the way it's tracked is still annoying. If I want that giant song effect with Meshuggah I just put on the I EP.
Exquisite Machinery and Spasm vocals are by Tomas actually, as well as the quiet verses in Dancers, and Broken Cog too. Outro of Broken Cog is surprisingly Marten, if I'm not mistaken, and he's in Faultless as well. Also Meshuggah use polymeters, not polyrhythms. Measures of 7/8 against 4/4, not 16th notes against 8th triplets, to distinguish the two.
Necrotic Nick- Wow. I always assumed it was Jens since the intonation sounded so similar. I'm not a musician (and it shows) so I don't fully understand the difference but I've always heard their sound described as polyrhythmic so I figured that was accurate.
42:01 so the more likely reason they went with a drum machine is to save money on drum sessions in the studio, not to mention every member is credited with the drum programming. They've also pulled out Mind's Mirrors/In Death Is Life/In Death Is Death from the middle section of the album several times throughout the past 10 years or so as an encore, which has been killer to witness. That, plus Shed until the end of the record slaps for me.
Necrotic Nick- It also might have been a good way to show off the program which to be fair was pretty top notch at the time. I love Shed but I really can't get into much on Catch 33 because of all the odd track breaks. It's not bad but it's set up so oddly. Speaking for me here, I've never heard them pull any tracks off that album live outside maybe Shed once. I'm sure they've played them live before but I've not seen it.
I'm on par with you, Nick. 👍 To me, 'Destroy, Erase, Improve' will probably forever remain my favorite Meshuggah release; perhaps in no small part for nostalgic reasons, because that album changed the way I thought heavy music could sound back in 1995. A total mindf*ck of an album! Objectively they have arguably become even better musicians since then, but still I will always have a special soft spot for that sophomore album. 👌 I was lucky enough to witness Meshuggah live on the European Tour for that album, and that was also a life altering experience; holy shit, I had not seen anything thighter, more technical and crushingly heavy up to that point! 😱
Necrotic Nick- Yeah, there's something about that album that stands out for me. Nothing in the mid 90's sounded like that and I think they made a huge statement with that album. I would argue they've all become better musicians but DEI might be them at their most fearless and creative though. I didn't get to see Meshuggah until they toured with Tool but they played stuff off of DEI, Chaosphere and None when I saw them that time and it was killer.
1.Obzen 2.Chaospshere 3.Koloss(probably the album that i listen to the most this year, it has so many banger songs) 4.The Immutable 5.Nothing 6.Catch thirtythree 7.Violent sleep of reason 8.destroy erase imrpove 9.None and Contradictions Collapse
Necrotic Nick- Solid list, man. I come back to Koloss for a lot of specific tracks like Demiurge, Swarm and Marrow and particular. Those songs still hard as fuck.
That was a blast. It hasn't helped though. I still don't know which Meshuggah album is my no.1. It could change on a daily basis. I don't own the first one, so that's at the bottom of the pile for me. Catch 33 I'd have up quite high, in my top 4, but uh... Dunno, it's tricky. Is Miller turning into Paul Rudd?
First Meshuggah record I ever bought was theI EP. Love the extreme experimental approach to this day, which is why my favorite album is still Catch-33. And my two other go-tos are Chaosphere and Nothing. (I was introduced to this band, and thus extreme metal, by seeing them open for Tool back in 2002). As for the rest...if you like, you like. To this day, I can't understand the ObZen hype....just too mechanical for me. Regardless, been waiting for this ranking for a while, a great watch. Thralls rocks. \m/
And I didn't mean to 'shit on' ObZen completely...stand outs Bleed (Hey Nick...they retired it live cuz sadly Thomas himself says he just can't physically endure it anymore....the same reason they don't perform Chaosphere songs live, they've taken their toll on him), Lethargica, and Pravus kick ass.
Necrotic Nick- I got into them with DEI and Chaosphere after I too saw them open for Tool so those albums are still huge for me. Yeah, I still can't get into Catch 33 as much as the others. It has it's moments but I hate the seemingly random track breaks on the CD and while it's dark and heavy I feel like I can get that on a lot of Meshuggah's albums. Either way it was awesome to jam all these albums again and I'm glad you dug the video, man. It sucks they had to retire Bleed but I can understand the reasoning. It sucks getting old lol.
🎵The boys are back in town🎵 Tough ranking but all I know is Nothing is my number 1. No skips, saw them live during this release. Just a timeless, easy listen for me.
Amazing band. I disagree with some of your thoughts on these albums, but that's okay. :) My ranking after giving it little thought: 10. Contradictions Collapse 9. Koloss 8. I 7. Destroy Erase Improve 6. ObZen 5. The Violent Sleep of Reason 4. Nothing 3. Immutable 2. Chaosphere 1. Catch 33
@@thrallsofmetal that's cool man. I think I like it because it's so different and oddball. I think the fact that there's so many differing opinions on what the best album is encapsulates how good Meshuggah really is.
Man seeing those C33 rankings hurts Entrapment is CRAZY groovy and that solo is just insanity Minds Mirrors - ID-Is Life - ID- Is Death trio is absolute mastery, seen it live too! Shed and Sum are great also
Ivory Tower is oddly one of my fav Meshuggah tracks ever. Does it drag? Maybe they could have chopped 30 seconds off but that breakdown section.... my god! That song is so noisy that the stops in the rhythm guitar really help it to stand out when they get past the three minute mark. I think it's groovy though in terms of Meshuggah, maybe the timing is pretty simple.
Excluding Immutable which I have yet to listen to (I've only heard one single and I was feeling.... meh), here's my personal ranking: 1. Catch Thirty-Three 2. Nothing 3. Destroy Erase Improve 4. I 5. Obzen 6. Chaosphere 7. None 8. The Violent Sleep of Reason 9. Contradictions Collapse 10. Koloss
Just albums wise, I’d go (even tho my ranking changes a lot, lol): 1. The Violent Sleep of Reason 2. ObZen 3. Koloss 4. Nothing 5. Chaosphere 6. Catch 33 7. Immutable 8. Destroy Erase Improve 9. Contradictions Collapse Still love every album to death, and they don’t have a bad one imo. Surprised none of you guys brought up Dehumanization and the first few minutes of Sum (Catch 33). I personally think that’s one of their heaviest songs. That long Scream Jens pulls off is insane. It’s like over 30 seconds long
Necrotic Nick- Solid list, man. Admittedly most of my notes were my complaints about Catch 33 but it does have some cool moments. How it's tracked and set up is just annoying. I almost wish there were no track breaks at all honestly.
I admit I don't have anything to say about Meshuggah (other than I know "Bleed" is dang cool), but the segment where they drew the subgenres from a hat, that was pretty entertaining. I wonder what four glam metal bands Nick is going to choose? 😆😆😆
been waiting for this one, really tough choices, before watching heres my picks 11 - violent sleep of reason 10 - catch 33 9 - immutable 8 - koloss 7 - contradictions collapse 6 - none 5 - obzen 4 - nothing 3 - chaosphere 2 - destroy erase improve 1 - I in my opinion the epic 21 minutes of I is the most accurate reflection of pure Meshuggah, everything you need to know is in there :-) edit: i need to listen to violent sleep of reason again
Necrotic Nick- I is s damn good. I only wish that ambition translated over to Catch 33 a bit better. Yeah, I think Violent Sleep is a killer album but I can see where some people wouldn't like it as much. Still, never hurts to spin it again.
This is toughest Ranking ever. The Ranking of the first Album shows it perfectly. Every album is great! So Here is my try: 11:Contradictions collapse 10: Destroy erase improve 9: Immutable 8:Chaosphere 7:None 6:Catch 33 5:Koloss 4:I 3:Violent sleep of reason 2:Obzen 1:Nothing
Shame the rambunctious 23 year old Rin couldn’t be on the video. Probably off doing young people things. But seriously you guys killed it again with this ranking video. Definitely my favourite types of content
@@thrallsofmetal Early Meshuggah is best Meshuggah imo! Although leaving personal tastes/sentimental value aside, I’d have to say Catch Thirtythree is their greatest artistic achievement.
For me 9 - Contradictions Collapse 8 - Immutable 7 - Catch Thirty-Three 6 - The Violent Sleep of Reason 5 - Destroy Erase Improve 4 - Chaosphere 3 - Nothing 2 - Koloss 1 - obZen 8 through 4 are super hard to rank
1. Obzen 2. Chaosphere 3. Nothing 4. Koloss 5. The Violent Sleep of Reason 6. I 7. Destroy Erase Improve 8. Catch Thirtythree 9. Immutable 10. None 11. Contradictions Collapse It's hard to rank these great albums though, probably different day I would change the list somehow except number 1 and 2 which are just 2 fucking masterpieces for me. Also they play live songs from Catch Thirtythree, In Death - Is Life and In Death - Is Death and it's fucking amazing really.
Necrotic Nick- I agree. This was tougher than I thought it would be honestly. Revisiting albums I hadn't listened to in awhile really changed stuff. I've seen Meshuggah like 8 times and I think I heard them play Shed once. Outside of that I don't think they played anything else off of Catch 33 that I remember.
I prefer their older 7 string stuff now, and Nothing is prob my #1. By the way, you guys should do a Fear Factory ranking. Definitely deserves it imo 🤘🤘
Necrotic Nick- I tend to gravitate to the older stuff because that's where I got into them but generally if Meshuggah comes on at random I'm rarely if ever skipping it. I'd love to rank Fear Factory some time in the future for sure.
I don’t think you can miss with any of this band’s work except for Catch 33. I agree Obzen is objectively the best but I always loved that simplistic heaviness of Koloss more than most. It always feels like I woke up a massive lumbering beast when I hit play on that album
Catch Thirty-three is *the* progressive music nerd's album. It has polyrythmic odd-time signatures throughout it, which is why they said they wouldn't ever play it live. Yet they have played "In Death - Is Death" live, which I think just proves how technically mind-f*ckingly good this band is. Anyway, the space works well because it creates a perfect contrast from the complete insanity elsewhere. And I noticed that it sounds very similar to the soundtrack from David Cronenberg's film Crash, which is a mad film. It's spacey in such a sonically dark and disturbing way that it's beautiful... beauty in darkness... and isn't that metal as f*ck?! Overall, with the lumbering heaviness and compositional wizardry and the beauty in darkness combined, it really is the perfect sound for their name: Meshuggah... insanity. It sounds like what I'd imagine it feels like to actually be insane. \m/\m/
First three albums are just great, Contradictions Collapse has definitely Metallica touches :D in very good way Destroy is definitely more meshu and Soul burn is their best catchy song :D and Chaosphere, I agree with Shredlord best sound, performance and.... and rest is not far behind Great review as always one more: in my opinion Meshuggah do not have bad album
Necrotic Nick- Thanks, man! Yeah, I've been a fan of this band for years and all of their albums bring something to the table I enjoy even if I'm not as big a fan of them in comparison to other albums by them.
For glam metal, I'm hoping you do Dokken. Dokken is one of the best hair metal bands of all time! George Lynch is a guitar god. Kinda of like the Jeff Beck of hair metal. I'm hoping for black metal it's either Venom or Bathory. Those 2 have a lot of albums in their catalogue. Bathory stopped unfortunately due to Quorthon's death in 2004. Immortal would be interesting to see as well. For death metal, I would love to see Deicide, Obituary, or Vader. It John had technical death metal, I would love to see Dying Fetus or Cattle Decapitation.
Djent is a odd subgenre of metal for me, while i appreciate the technicality and the skill of musicianship, especially rythmically and as being a guitarist myself, i find that alot of the time technicality can take a touch more focus than the songwriting coherancy, alot of the time it can like you say sound very challenging and to me that doesnt always line up with being a pleasurable listen, however i will say from all those bands, meshuggah and animal as leaders are the 2 bands there that when it does hit it hits pretty hard, but ultimately there both more bands i would listen to afew tracks here and there or have on a playlist. I've never really been blown away on a i cant stop listening to this album sense. The first meshuggah album i picked up was contradictions collapse and i'm a massive thrash fan so that was pretty cool but at the same time i dont think it really holds up against alot of the better thrash albums of the 80's and what i was listening too at the time so after a afew listens i was kinda done with it, still i respect the hell out of them as a band and as musicians even if its something i dont really gravitate too massively.
Necrotic Nick- I'd have to agree. Defining a subgenre on a particular riff style always seemed strange but the name just kinda stuck and it is kinda accurate. When someone says a band is a "djent band" I instantly know what they're talking about. The style is hit or miss with me but Meshuggah will always be a stand out namely because they created it and continued to evolve the style. Even amongst all the Meshuggah clones out there I still know when I'm jamming Meshuggah.
Whenever Thralls releases a ranking video, it’s like one of my favourite bands release an album. I end up watching them over and over again as well.
same here, just wish they were more frequent haha
same 😂
I only just recently discovered this channel, and I do the same thing - it's a great motivator for pulling out specific CD's from the collection, or buy the missing albums, for sure! (This is the reason I am listening to Bonded by Blood as we speak)
woah, Miller's hair got me by surprise
Thought my man was bald for the longest time lol
@@BATS33 Yea, finally he doesn't look like an Amish outcast...
Looks like Dave Ghrol
This is still one of the best series on metal UA-cam period
These are always such a good way to learn about the bands and get a bit of context behind everything. And another great installment
Necrotic Nick- Thanks, man! We really appreciated that.
@@thrallsofmetal I agree with the distinguished gentleman Tapwater56766 - also, the fact there are three to five of you means there's a lot room for different perspectives. Something which is almost never present with solo reviewer videos, even if they can be really great, too! Just would prefer more friends gathering together for these things. Keep'em coming, if you don't mind, good sirs!
Meshuggah is so awesome, One of the heaviest bands ever
11: The Violent Sleep of Reason
10: Catch 33
9: Immutable
8: Contradictions Collapse
7: Nothing
6: I
5: None
4: Obzen
3: Destroy Erase Improve
2: Koloss
1: Chaosphere
Love these album rankings because it forces me to revisit albums I haven’t heard in a while, or ones I haven’t heard altogether. Thank you all for putting in the time to do these, look forward to the next one!
Necrotic Nick- Hey! Thanks, man! I hope your dive into Meshuggah's stuff was as fun as ours after this one.
YESSSS! Literally waited like 2 years for this! One of my favorite bands ever can’t wait!
Necrotic Nick- See you tomorrow, man!
Thanks for not ranking The Violent Sleep Of Reason lower. Other people shit on that album and that's my main go to and my dog loves to listen to it on our walks. I'm so glad you guys finally did this ranking
The Violent Sleep of Reason is their most aggressive album since Chaosphere imo. It's so good.
Necrotic Nick- Thanks, man! I love that album. While it doesn't do much different than much of the post Obzen stuff it's still a beast of an album.
Glad you guys got around to this. I look forward to it along with all future rankings and content.
Man it was great seeing the gang back together! Been a along time and LOVE the new name logos!
Necrotic Nick- Thanks, man! Loving these new logos! Lee did such a good job on them.
Can't wait! My personal ranking goes as such:
9. The Violent Sleep of Reason
8. Immutable
7. Contradictions Collapse
6. Koloss
5. Obzen
4. Chaosphere
3. Catch 33
2. Destroy Erase Improve
1. Nothing
Necrotic Nick- Nice, man! We even threw in None and I as well to spice it up.
Great ranking guys. Looking forward to the choices you come up with on the next ranking. It’s hilarious that Nick pulled glam!! lol
Necrotic Nick- Thanks, man! Well, the voting is up for my Glam Metal picks so if you haven't voted yet get on there.
MESSHHUUUUUUGGGAAAAHHHHHHHHH!
1.ObZen
2. Destroy Erase, Improve,
3.Contradictions Collapse
4. Chaosphere
5. Nothing
6. The Violent Sleep Of Reason
7. Koloss
8. Immutable
9. Catch 33
Good to see the rest of the gang get together at the same time.
Well done guys.
Keep the content coming.
Let’s go🔥 band ranking vids are my favourite. Always posting great metal content absolute legends 🤘
Necrotic Nick- Thanks, man! I hope you dug it!
Enjoyed this so much, always great seeing all the boys in on one video. Excited for the glam metal ranking despite not listening to any glam at all, would also love for Watain or Behemoth to be a voteable band in the BM category, they're probably my all-time #1 and 2 in the genre. Can't wait to vote regardless. Thank you guys so much for the entertainment you provide!
Necrotic Nick- Thanks, man! Yeah, I'll probably have the voting up for glam metal up at some point tonight or tomorrow. I think I have my 4 bands. Who knows, that one might be fun regardless of which band gets picked.
I was waiting for this one. I saw that you included "None" and "I", so:
11- Contradictions Colapse
10- Immutable
9- Catch Thirty Three
8- None
7- ObZen
6- Destroy Erase Improve
5- I
4- The Violent Sleep of Reason
3- Chaosphere
2- Koloss
1- Nothing
Meshuggah is my favourite metal band, so the lowest ranking for me would've been something like 3C or 3D, but like you gentlemen say, you have to put numbers on things.
I also wish the other EPs were included, but I understand that in most of them, many songs were demos that ended up being songs in full length albums. That being said, there are a lot of good stuff coming from their EPs, like their self titled, "Rare Trax" or "Pitch Black", so if anyone reading this hasn't explored Meshuggah EPs, they go recommended!
Necrotic Nick- Well, I don't want to spoil anything but we might have some overlap here. I've been listening to Meshuggah since I saw them open for Tool in 2001 and I've been a fan ever since so I was looking forward to this one. We just added None and I because they're a bit more landmark than their other EPs and they showed some evolution in their sound.
1. ObZen
2. Nothing
3. Chaosphere
4. Catch 33
5. Destroy erase improve
6. Koloss
7. Immutable
8. Violent sleep of reason
9. Contradictions collapse
I second the top 3! \m/
Meshuggah are definitely one of the most influential bands in metal with their polyrhythmic riffs and drumming. Many modern metal bands all owe their influence to Meshuggah. I think all albums are good but these top 5 are amazing. Here is my ranking:
11. Contradictions Collapse
10. I EP
9. Immutable
8. The Violent Sleep of Reason
7. None EP
6. Koloss
5. Catch Thirtythree
4. ObZen
3. Chaosphere
2. Destroy Erase Improve
1. Nothing
I completely agree that contradictions collapse is their worst, i had such a hard time getting through that
But I at 10?
That’s my personal favorite
Seven minutes in, and I'm already super happy to see some love for Contradictions Collapse! It's crazy underrated, I go back to it more than some of the newer stuff.
Necrotic Nick- I dig that album but oddly it's not the album I reach for when I want to listen to Meshuggah since it's such a different one. I'd go for that one when I'm looking for stuff like Coroner or Sadus... if I wasn't already listening to Coroner or Sadus.
The OGs ✊
Necrotic Nick- Sweden's most distinguished "djent"lemen.
Nice. Been waiting a while for this one. Looking forward to what band rankings are chosen in the future. Including the EP’s, my ranking would be as follows:
1: obZen
2: Destroy, Erase, Improve
3: Chaosphere
4: Contradictions Collapse
5: The Violent Sleep of Reason
6: I
7: Nothing (original version)
8: Koloss
9: Immutable
10: Catch 33
11: None
Necrotic Nick- I hope you dug it, man. Man, that is probably the lowest I've seen Nothing on anyone's list but I get it with this band and some of their eras being very different.
Ah man! Y’all did my fav catch 33 dirty ;-;. It’s my personal favorite Meshuggah record. Once I thought of the record more like a Stoner Doom or Sludge metal record like Sleep’s Dopesmoker it clicked into place for me. The slower tempo, the fact it’s based on one riff that evolves over the course of the record makes it so trippy to me. It feels like entering into a void of rusty pipes, crumbling brick walls and no light to be found.
Damn dude!! I didn't realize Meshuggah had this many albums. I've only heard about four of these and have never purchased a Meshuggah album. Always enjoyed what I've heard. Thanks guys for the eye opener, cheers 🍻
Necrotic Nick- Thanks, man! Dude, you gotta dive into that back catalog, man. DEI and Chaosphere alone are worth it.
It's very cool that Wolfgang Van Halen is a big fan of them.
I still remember on how I discover Meshuggah, they played at a festival in my hometown in 2010 and a friend of mine at the time who's a big fan of them told me he and some other friends they were going to see this awesome band and I followed along and I became a fan instantly after the performance.
ObZen, Koloss and Contradictions Collapse is my very favorites by them.
Please add Hypocrisy to the voting, they deserve a ranking.
Necrotic Nick- Wolfgang's got some good taste then. Yeah, I saw them for the first time opening for Tool and I had no idea what to make of them but I was intrigued. That got the ball rolling and I've been a fan pretty much ever since.
Great video gentlemen. Destroy Erase Improve is number 1 for me, it's a classic. I remember reading the review in Metal Maniacs Magazine, which they declared it was a groundbreaking masterpiece. Other favorites are None EP, Nothing, and I EP.
Necrotic Nick- Thanks, man! Yeah, I'd say DEI changed the metal landscape forever and Meshuggah just kept pushing boundaries after that. Honestly, I love pretty much this entire discography except Catch 33. I still struggle with that one.
Well, guess what I'm watching at least 3 times this week.. . Easily in my top 10 bands of all time! Was very fun to watch the premiere for this! \m/
My list:
11) I EP
10) Contradictions Collapse
9) Catch 33
8) None EP
7) Violent Sleep of Reason
6) Immutable
5) Destroy Erase Improve
4) Koloss
3) Nothing
2) Chaosphere
1) Obzen
Necrotic Nick- Hey! Thanks, man! I'm glad you dug the video. Solid list too, man!
Interesting. I think catch 33 is one of their best projects. Great vid nonetheless ❤
Necrotic Nick- Thanks, ,man! Yeah, I've always been at odds with that one.
Nice, I was waiting for this ranking. Saw Meshuggah live back in December, and it was a face-melting experience. My ranking would probably be something like this, but some these albums I have to listen to more admittedly so it would probably change around in the future:
1. Destroy, Erase, Improve
2. Chaosphere
3. ObZen
4. I EP
5. Koloss
6. Contradictions Collapse
7. Nothing
8. Immutable
9. The Violent Sleep of Reason
10. None EP
11. Catch Thirtythree (Was never able to get into this one like you guys, but interestingly a lot of people seem to think this is their best album or one of their best and I never really understood why)
Necrotic Nick- I was excited to get this one out. I've been a fan of this band for awhile and it was just fun to go through all of this stuff. Our top 3 are pretty close and yeah I'm with you on Catch 33. I just see that as a oddity in the discography but I guess it has it's fans for sure.
I’m so stoked. I will be wearing my catch 33 merch for the premiere, and a day before my birthday too!
Hope all is well with you guys! Keep up the great work!
1. Catch 33
2. Obzen
3. DEI
4. Nothing
5. Chaosphere
6. Koloss
7. VSoR
8. Immutable
Necrotic Nick- Well happy earlier birthday from the Thralls then, man! I hope you dig the ranking, bro!
Always do, mate! Thank you for the birthday wishes!
I had a rough time ranking these as they shift around a lot in my mind based on my mood and what I'm feeling in that moment, and honestly I love them all, but here's my try at it:
1. Obzen
2. Catch 33
3. Nothing
4. Destroy Erase Improve
5. Chaosphere
6. Koloss
7. The Violent Sleep of Reason
8. Immutable
9. I
10. None
11. Contradictions Collapse
I got into the band about 5-6 years ago when I first heard Bleed, which I sort of bounced off of the first few times, but kept coming back to it and eventually started diving into different songs here and there, and eventually dove headfirst into their entire discography about 3 years ago and I've been hooked ever since. They're my favourite band, and I finally got the chance to see them live on the Immutable tour back in December and they were amazing!
Necrotic Nick- I'll be honest, all of these rankings are tough and I reorder stuff all the time on my lists. I genuinely think that Bleed spawned a legion of fans with that monstrous single and it's a great starter song. The song that probably really clicked with me first was New Millennium Cyanide Christ. When I finally got the groove to that song I was hooked and everything fell into place. I still love the hell out of this band I'll probably be a fan for life.
Cool video guys! I love Meshuggah and it's difficult to pick a favourite. Probably Obzen or Koloss for me. Obzen is an amazing album as a whole and Koloss just has an awesomely creepy atmosphere. Seeing Meshuggah live in Helsinki the coming Saturday.
Necrotic Nick- Thanks, man! yeah, this one was tough. I've been a fan of this band for years and pretty much they always deliver. Have fun at the show, man! Meshuggah kills live!
These rankings are always entertaining. Meshuggah is tough for me, because I really dig almost everything they've done. I also agree that Catch 33 was a misfire. I go back and forth on my #1 and #2 all the time. Well, I guess I go back and forth with all these albums over time. Incredible band.
1. Koloss
2. Obzen
3. Nothing
4. Destroy Erase Improve
5. Immutable
6. The Violent Sleep of Reason
7. Chaosphere
8. Contradictions Collapse
9. Catch 33
Here are some bands I would love to see you guys rank: Behemoth, Dying Fetus, Lamb of God, King Diamond, Nile, Goatwhore, Deicide.
Now I know which Meshuggah albums to start with. I can’t wait to see the bands you guys have pick, especially Nick.
Necrotic Nick- I hope you enjoyed the video, man!
get in, have been so excited for this one - one of the most inventive bands ever
Necrotic Nick- I hope you dug the ranking, man!
@@thrallsofmetalalways man!
Miller has that Tommy Victor look going on, Nice to see you back!
My first thought as well, love to see them do a Prong ranking!
Necrotic Nick- LOL! The resemblance is pretty uncanny.
Miller!! Welcome back you long-haired SOB 👀🤘loooove Meshuggah. Thought I was looking at Tommy from Prong
HELL YEAAAAAAAAAAAH LOVE YOU GUYS
Necrotic Nick- Thanks, man!
It's always interesting to hear a discussion on a top3 band of mine. To me their golden period was from None to Catch with a few highlights afterwards which is reflected in my ranking.
1. Catch Thirtythree
2. Chaosphere
3. Nothing
4. Destroy Erase Improve
5. I
6. None
7. Koloss
8. Immutable
9. Obzen
10. Contradictions Collapse
11. Violent Sleep of Reason
Necrotic Nick- Yeah, Catch 33 didn't age very well for me. I still feel like they got kinda lost in the concept on that one and it just never gelled with me. Still, this band was tough to rank as I pretty much dig all their albums.
Great job guys.
There's actually a really great tribute band of them across the river in the UK called
Milk and Two Shuggahs!!
Necrotic Nick- Thanks, man! Dude, that's a priceless name for a Meshuggah tribute band lol.
New name logos are sick. I never got that much into Meshuggah’s full-lengths but Destroy Erase Improve is awesome front to back.
Necrotic Nick- Thanks, man! Lee did an amazing job with them. That dude is awesome and his art is incredible.
Man, I'm surprised you guys havent done deicide yet! Lots of good material with deicide
Great ranking as always. Personally, I love to see what Nick comes up for glam metal. Not all glam bands are bad. Dokken or Ratt has some killer albums, although entertainment-wise, I would love to see you guys suffer through Bon Jovi or Poison. 😂
Necrotic Nick- Thanks, man! I have some ideas so far. I'll post them probably after this weeks batch of reviews.
Meshuggah are reinventive in a industry fully satured.They were able to self-labelled by creating and smarten up a style in heavy metal music,which is approached by them only.
I believe that Meshuggah are among a fewer of bands whose the main stand-out is being a band with its own identity without ripping off others from the same ilk.
Necrotic Nick- Their originality at the time and then how they went from being on an island musically to being a band with it's own subset of metal. It reminds me of how Carcass constantly shifted and with almost every shift for awhile they had bands that emulated their sound.
@@thrallsofmetal Perfectly statement,Carcass is a classic example of how to make a sucessful transition without vanishing as a band.Also Death was able to manage it very well by itself way then changing the manner of working and creative process as well.Another stance I can cite is Sepultura whose the innovative scheme was the game-changing in their carriers as well as surviving as a band.Elsewhere,for all those stubborn to turn the game around and improving themselves as a truly product to be showed to the public beautifully and spellbindingly to consuming as a flawless merch if they don't do it or cannot see it like business to be worked out constantly by them,they will fade in oblivion.
NONE EP is hands down my favorite MESHUGGAH release, bought it when it came out and at the time nothing came even close to the sound of this and it completely blew my socks off. And now I'm 11 minutes in to this video and so hyped up that it's included and moments later 3 out of the 4 of you basically take a dump on it. Boggles my mind, but I guess it depends on when you got into the band so I'm gonna keep watching just to get that info. Perfect release in my eyes.
I'm glad that Shredlord is back🤟
Necrotic Nick- We're glad to have him back too.
Thank you for finally doing Meshuggah! I didnt expect you to rank Catch33 rock bottom, agree to disagree!
Will there ever be a NIN ranking?
Necrotic Nick- Hey! Not a problem, man! Yeah, Catch33 didn't age that well for me honestly. I know Miller really wants to do that band so it'll probably happen in the future.
Do you guys wear ear protection at concerts?
Miller here, high fidelity ear plugs are my go to. Levels everything out and vocals are always much clearer
@@dadsings Thank you. Been thinking of getting ear plugs to protect my ears, I'll check out hugh fidelity ear plugs. How much do yours cost roughly?
Let's be real, the top half of my list is so close that they might as well be all the same rank, but here goes:
1. Obzen - My first Meshuggah album, and boy what an introduction. There's like only one track I'm meh on, rest is gold.
2. Chaosphere - Lives up to the name, love the energy on it. Just wish the production had the meatier sound the later albums have, then it'd be perfect in my eyes.
3. Nothing - This and Obzen are what I consider quintessential Meshuggah. You wanna know what they're about, you'll want this.
4. Catch 33 - Wow, I did not expect my opinion and the Thralls' to be so different, but that's how it goes I guess. Probably helps in my case that I'm also a Dream Theater fan and have a taste for these kinds of sprawling multi-track concepts with a two-digit minute count, but yeah, I love how many places this goes musically, "In Death - Is Life/Death" works as a great song on its own that I'm glad gets live play, and holy heck do the concluding tracks hit hard.
5. Destroy Erase Improve - Again, first half of my list might as well be all the same rank. Catch 33 edged out due to it hitting me harder, but if I was being more objective this could have taken a higher spot due to its sheer quality. "Future Breed Machine" remains untouchable.
6. Koloss - No shortage of bangers, "Demiurge" is a fave, but I didn't feel like I needed this one as much as the above entries. I'm also a bit less into Jens' vocals from here onward in their discography.
7. None - No complaints, and I like "Aztec Two-Step," it's just clearly a step on the way to the gold they would make later on.
8. Contradictions Collapse - For what it is, decent thrash album. Just not what I listen to these guys for.
9. The Violent Sleep of Reason - Honestly I need more spins with this one before I can give it a fair ranking, but after Koloss I haven't been in a hurry for some reason.
Haven't checked out I or Immutable, definitely should at least do the former considering my liking of Catch 33.
I actually loved catch 33 when I first heard it. I had Future Breed Machine downloaded on Limewire! I loved some parts of the song but back then, the vocals at the end made me laugh. Years later, I 'm at a friends house and the last three songs from Catch 33 played and wow, it sounded so much better to me at the time. I couldn't believe it was the same vocalist. Today, I actually love the older style of Jens and sometimes even prefer it, especially on None. Jens sounds so good on that EP. He's slightly more dynamic then today but his level of consistency is unmatched in the more modern albums. 33 would still fall at like 7 or 8 but it would be slightly higher. The re release of Nothing is probably number one and then Obzen. Koloss and Violent Sleep of Reason are BANGERS! They would both be top 5. I'm glad Miller mentioned the rhythm guitar in Sleep of Reason. They do that a few times on the album and they are my fav parts. The drum fill/breakdown part in Monstrosity literally MAKES the song. They could have dragged that part out for even longer to help that track out a bit because the drum audio sounds weak when the first verse starts.
I’m blasting obzen right now i think it might be my favorite see you guys in two hours
I cant give a whole list but catch 33 is one of the greatest things ever. That's some serious serious songwriting skills. The way riffs keep popping back up but altered ever so slightly or new riffs are just a reworking of things that have appeared before is absolute genius. I love that album so much and between c33 and I is my favorite era. They were absolutely on another level
Necrotic Nick- I still can't get into Catch 33. It does a lot of cool things but for me it kinda drags and the way it's tracked is still annoying. If I want that giant song effect with Meshuggah I just put on the I EP.
@@thrallsofmetal That's a shame. For you haha
Exquisite Machinery and Spasm vocals are by Tomas actually, as well as the quiet verses in Dancers, and Broken Cog too. Outro of Broken Cog is surprisingly Marten, if I'm not mistaken, and he's in Faultless as well.
Also Meshuggah use polymeters, not polyrhythms. Measures of 7/8 against 4/4, not 16th notes against 8th triplets, to distinguish the two.
Necrotic Nick- Wow. I always assumed it was Jens since the intonation sounded so similar. I'm not a musician (and it shows) so I don't fully understand the difference but I've always heard their sound described as polyrhythmic so I figured that was accurate.
Out of the Meshuggah that I've listened to:
#1 Chaosphere
#2 Koloss
#3 Nothing
#4 I
#5 Destroy Erase Improve
#6 Immutable
LETS GOOOOOOO!
Necrotic Nick- See you tomorrow, man!
Excited to hear how guys rank these. Here's mine.
9. Contradictions Collapse
8. Chaosphere
7. Destroy Erase Improve
6. Koloss
5. Immutable
4. Catch Thirty Three
3. The Violent Sleep of Reason
2. Obzen
1. Nothing
42:01 so the more likely reason they went with a drum machine is to save money on drum sessions in the studio, not to mention every member is credited with the drum programming.
They've also pulled out Mind's Mirrors/In Death Is Life/In Death Is Death from the middle section of the album several times throughout the past 10 years or so as an encore, which has been killer to witness.
That, plus Shed until the end of the record slaps for me.
Necrotic Nick- It also might have been a good way to show off the program which to be fair was pretty top notch at the time. I love Shed but I really can't get into much on Catch 33 because of all the odd track breaks. It's not bad but it's set up so oddly. Speaking for me here, I've never heard them pull any tracks off that album live outside maybe Shed once. I'm sure they've played them live before but I've not seen it.
I'm on par with you, Nick. 👍 To me, 'Destroy, Erase, Improve' will probably forever remain my favorite Meshuggah release; perhaps in no small part for nostalgic reasons, because that album changed the way I thought heavy music could sound back in 1995. A total mindf*ck of an album! Objectively they have arguably become even better musicians since then, but still I will always have a special soft spot for that sophomore album. 👌 I was lucky enough to witness Meshuggah live on the European Tour for that album, and that was also a life altering experience; holy shit, I had not seen anything thighter, more technical and crushingly heavy up to that point! 😱
Necrotic Nick- Yeah, there's something about that album that stands out for me. Nothing in the mid 90's sounded like that and I think they made a huge statement with that album. I would argue they've all become better musicians but DEI might be them at their most fearless and creative though. I didn't get to see Meshuggah until they toured with Tool but they played stuff off of DEI, Chaosphere and None when I saw them that time and it was killer.
1.Obzen
2.Chaospshere
3.Koloss(probably the album that i listen to the most this year, it has so many banger songs)
4.The Immutable
5.Nothing
6.Catch thirtythree
7.Violent sleep of reason
8.destroy erase imrpove
9.None and Contradictions Collapse
Necrotic Nick- Solid list, man. I come back to Koloss for a lot of specific tracks like Demiurge, Swarm and Marrow and particular. Those songs still hard as fuck.
That was a blast. It hasn't helped though. I still don't know which Meshuggah album is my no.1. It could change on a daily basis. I don't own the first one, so that's at the bottom of the pile for me. Catch 33 I'd have up quite high, in my top 4, but uh... Dunno, it's tricky. Is Miller turning into Paul Rudd?
9. Immutable 8. Catch 33 7. Destroy 6. Violent 5. Nothing 4. Koloss 3. Obzen 2. Chaosphere 1. I ep
I saw meshugga live back in March, stunning experience, wildest show I've ever gone to
Necrotic Nick- They absolutely crush live. The light syncopation is generally pretty nuts too.
First Meshuggah record I ever bought was theI EP. Love the extreme experimental approach to this day, which is why my favorite album is still Catch-33. And my two other go-tos are Chaosphere and Nothing. (I was introduced to this band, and thus extreme metal, by seeing them open for Tool back in 2002). As for the rest...if you like, you like. To this day, I can't understand the ObZen hype....just too mechanical for me. Regardless, been waiting for this ranking for a while, a great watch. Thralls rocks. \m/
And I didn't mean to 'shit on' ObZen completely...stand outs Bleed (Hey Nick...they retired it live cuz sadly Thomas himself says he just can't physically endure it anymore....the same reason they don't perform Chaosphere songs live, they've taken their toll on him), Lethargica, and Pravus kick ass.
Necrotic Nick- I got into them with DEI and Chaosphere after I too saw them open for Tool so those albums are still huge for me. Yeah, I still can't get into Catch 33 as much as the others. It has it's moments but I hate the seemingly random track breaks on the CD and while it's dark and heavy I feel like I can get that on a lot of Meshuggah's albums. Either way it was awesome to jam all these albums again and I'm glad you dug the video, man. It sucks they had to retire Bleed but I can understand the reasoning. It sucks getting old lol.
🎵The boys are back in town🎵
Tough ranking but all I know is Nothing is my number 1. No skips, saw them live during this release. Just a timeless, easy listen for me.
Another certified thralls of metal banger
Necrotic Nick- Thanks, man!
Amazing band. I disagree with some of your thoughts on these albums, but that's okay. :) My ranking after giving it little thought:
10. Contradictions Collapse
9. Koloss
8. I
7. Destroy Erase Improve
6. ObZen
5. The Violent Sleep of Reason
4. Nothing
3. Immutable
2. Chaosphere
1. Catch 33
Necrotic Nick- Catch 33 definitely has it's fans for sure. I still can't get into it as much the other albums though but that's just me.
@@thrallsofmetal that's cool man. I think I like it because it's so different and oddball. I think the fact that there's so many differing opinions on what the best album is encapsulates how good Meshuggah really is.
Nile, Dying Fetus or Cattle Decap would be sick for album rankings
Necrotic Nick- Well, Death Metal is on Miller and technically Jon this time so we'll see what they select.
Man seeing those C33 rankings hurts
Entrapment is CRAZY groovy and that solo is just insanity
Minds Mirrors - ID-Is Life - ID- Is Death trio is absolute mastery, seen it live too!
Shed and Sum are great also
Thralls of Metal!!! We're getting the band back together!!👍😁
Necrotic Nick- It was time for sure lol.
Yes!!!🤘🏻🔥🔥🔥🤘🏻
Sad to see the Catch33 ranking so low lol! It's my favorite Meshuggah album personally but I completely get it
Ivory Tower is oddly one of my fav Meshuggah tracks ever. Does it drag? Maybe they could have chopped 30 seconds off but that breakdown section.... my god! That song is so noisy that the stops in the rhythm guitar really help it to stand out when they get past the three minute mark. I think it's groovy though in terms of Meshuggah, maybe the timing is pretty simple.
Excluding Immutable which I have yet to listen to (I've only heard one single and I was feeling.... meh), here's my personal ranking:
1. Catch Thirty-Three
2. Nothing
3. Destroy Erase Improve
4. I
5. Obzen
6. Chaosphere
7. None
8. The Violent Sleep of Reason
9. Contradictions Collapse
10. Koloss
I'm shocked. I honestly didn't think you guys would FINALLY pull it off! LMAO 😂
Necrotic Nick- It took a lot of rescheduling but we got it done lol
To me, Chaosphere sounds like aliens helped with the creation of it
It's my personal favorite album of theirs.
Just albums wise, I’d go (even tho my ranking changes a lot, lol):
1. The Violent Sleep of Reason
2. ObZen
3. Koloss
4. Nothing
5. Chaosphere
6. Catch 33
7. Immutable
8. Destroy Erase Improve
9. Contradictions Collapse
Still love every album to death, and they don’t have a bad one imo. Surprised none of you guys brought up Dehumanization and the first few minutes of Sum (Catch 33). I personally think that’s one of their heaviest songs. That long Scream Jens pulls off is insane. It’s like over 30 seconds long
Necrotic Nick- Solid list, man. Admittedly most of my notes were my complaints about Catch 33 but it does have some cool moments. How it's tracked and set up is just annoying. I almost wish there were no track breaks at all honestly.
@@thrallsofmetal I personally think that album has some of their best break/groovedowns. The heavy moments hit hard
I admit I don't have anything to say about Meshuggah (other than I know "Bleed" is dang cool), but the segment where they drew the subgenres from a hat, that was pretty entertaining. I wonder what four glam metal bands Nick is going to choose? 😆😆😆
been waiting for this one, really tough choices, before watching heres my picks
11 - violent sleep of reason
10 - catch 33
9 - immutable
8 - koloss
7 - contradictions collapse
6 - none
5 - obzen
4 - nothing
3 - chaosphere
2 - destroy erase improve
1 - I
in my opinion the epic 21 minutes of I is the most accurate reflection of pure Meshuggah, everything you need to know is in there :-)
edit: i need to listen to violent sleep of reason again
Necrotic Nick- I is s damn good. I only wish that ambition translated over to Catch 33 a bit better. Yeah, I think Violent Sleep is a killer album but I can see where some people wouldn't like it as much. Still, never hurts to spin it again.
@@thrallsofmetal yeah I think I got violent sleep and immutable the wrong way around , theres no bad Meshuggah album is there 🙂
This is toughest Ranking ever. The Ranking of the first Album shows it perfectly. Every album is great! So Here is my try:
11:Contradictions collapse
10: Destroy erase improve
9: Immutable
8:Chaosphere
7:None
6:Catch 33
5:Koloss
4:I
3:Violent sleep of reason
2:Obzen
1:Nothing
Necrotic Nick- Honestly, all of these rankings are tough as hell. I was retooling my list all the way up to the recording day lol. Solid list, man.
Shame the rambunctious 23 year old Rin couldn’t be on the video. Probably off doing young people things. But seriously you guys killed it again with this ranking video. Definitely my favourite types of content
1. Contradictions Collapse
2. None - EP
3. Destroy Erase Improve
4. Catch Thirtythree
5. Chaosphere
6. obZen
7. I - EP
8. Nothing
9. Immutable
10. Koloss
11. The Violent Sleep of Reason
Necrotic Nick- Man, those first 3 went right in order. Solid list, man.
@@thrallsofmetal Early Meshuggah is best Meshuggah imo! Although leaving personal tastes/sentimental value aside, I’d have to say Catch Thirtythree is their greatest artistic achievement.
They do In Death Is Life - In Death Is Death live on occasion. That's really it from Catch 33.
Necrotic Nick- I've never heard them do that one live when I've seen them but I have heard Shed at least once live.
At laaaaaast!!!
Necrotic Nick- Took a bit, but we got it done
Shredlord is back?!
Necrotic Nick- Most certainly.
For me
9 - Contradictions Collapse
8 - Immutable
7 - Catch Thirty-Three
6 - The Violent Sleep of Reason
5 - Destroy Erase Improve
4 - Chaosphere
3 - Nothing
2 - Koloss
1 - obZen
8 through 4 are super hard to rank
Necrotic Nick- Solid list, man. I always struggle around the middle portion of my rankings so I get it.
ALRIGHT THE GANG IS HERE
WERE JUST MISSING THE THE SMALL VIKING
Necrotic Nick- We're gonna see if we can get him. He's probably out pillaging again though.
Finally!!!! Is the band back together?
Necrotic Nick- Meshuggah? They never broke up. j/k
1. Obzen
2. Chaosphere
3. Nothing
4. Koloss
5. The Violent Sleep of Reason
6. I
7. Destroy Erase Improve
8. Catch Thirtythree
9. Immutable
10. None
11. Contradictions Collapse
It's hard to rank these great albums though, probably different day I would change the list somehow except number 1 and 2 which are just 2 fucking masterpieces for me. Also they play live songs from Catch Thirtythree, In Death - Is Life and In Death - Is Death and it's fucking amazing really.
Necrotic Nick- I agree. This was tougher than I thought it would be honestly. Revisiting albums I hadn't listened to in awhile really changed stuff. I've seen Meshuggah like 8 times and I think I heard them play Shed once. Outside of that I don't think they played anything else off of Catch 33 that I remember.
@@thrallsofmetal I think they added "In Death..." to the setlist on the Immutable tour this year. At least I 100% heard it live on March.
Re Nothing has a DVD that came with it and they play In Death is Death live
I prefer their older 7 string stuff now, and Nothing is prob my #1. By the way, you guys should do a Fear Factory ranking. Definitely deserves it imo 🤘🤘
Necrotic Nick- I tend to gravitate to the older stuff because that's where I got into them but generally if Meshuggah comes on at random I'm rarely if ever skipping it. I'd love to rank Fear Factory some time in the future for sure.
I don’t think you can miss with any of this band’s work except for Catch 33. I agree Obzen is objectively the best but I always loved that simplistic heaviness of Koloss more than most. It always feels like I woke up a massive lumbering beast when I hit play on that album
On immutable PHANTOMS is just a killer that last breakdown holy fuck it really shock me over
Necrotic Nick- It's a decent album but it just doesn't hit like the last few.
How? They play in death is life and in death is death almost every time live !😮
Necrotic Nick- I legit have only heard them do Shed once or twice and I've seen them live about 8 times.
Catch Thirty-three is *the* progressive music nerd's album. It has polyrythmic odd-time signatures throughout it, which is why they said they wouldn't ever play it live. Yet they have played "In Death - Is Death" live, which I think just proves how technically mind-f*ckingly good this band is. Anyway, the space works well because it creates a perfect contrast from the complete insanity elsewhere. And I noticed that it sounds very similar to the soundtrack from David Cronenberg's film Crash, which is a mad film. It's spacey in such a sonically dark and disturbing way that it's beautiful... beauty in darkness... and isn't that metal as f*ck?! Overall, with the lumbering heaviness and compositional wizardry and the beauty in darkness combined, it really is the perfect sound for their name: Meshuggah... insanity. It sounds like what I'd imagine it feels like to actually be insane. \m/\m/
Like the hat grab idea.
First three albums are just great,
Contradictions Collapse has definitely Metallica touches :D in very good way
Destroy is definitely more meshu and Soul burn is their best catchy song :D
and Chaosphere, I agree with Shredlord best sound, performance and....
and rest is not far behind
Great review as always
one more: in my opinion Meshuggah do not have bad album
Necrotic Nick- Thanks, man! Yeah, I've been a fan of this band for years and all of their albums bring something to the table I enjoy even if I'm not as big a fan of them in comparison to other albums by them.
Violent sleep of reason got me into them now my fav band
Necrotic Nick- They've been one of my favorite bands to see like since like 2001. They always bring it.
For glam metal, I'm hoping you do Dokken. Dokken is one of the best hair metal bands of all time! George Lynch is a guitar god. Kinda of like the Jeff Beck of hair metal. I'm hoping for black metal it's either Venom or Bathory. Those 2 have a lot of albums in their catalogue. Bathory stopped unfortunately due to Quorthon's death in 2004. Immortal would be interesting to see as well. For death metal, I would love to see Deicide, Obituary, or Vader. It John had technical death metal, I would love to see Dying Fetus or Cattle Decapitation.
Necrotic Nick- I can't say what will be on the other guys lists but mine should be up soon in terms of a poll to vote on.
If you guys are taking viewer suggestions, here's my list of suggestions:
Enslaved
Nevermore
Deicide
Dying Fetus
Necrotic Nick- There's an announcement at the end of the video.
Great list there, mate!
Miller should do obituary or deicide for the death metal ranking and deicide is one of millers favorites so
Yooo my favourite band, here's my personal ranking below:
11. Contradictions Collapse
10. I
9. The Violent Sleep of Reason
8. Koloss
7. None
6. Immutable
5. Destroy Erase Improve
4. Catch 33
3. Obzen
2. Chaosphere
1. Nothing
Necrotic Nick- Nice, man! Hope to see you tomorrow at the premiere if you can make it.
@@thrallsofmetal It's at midnight my time but I'll try :P
Nick, lookin forward to the Britny Fox album ranking.
Necrotic Nick- That one more than likely will not be on the voting poll lol.
Djent is a odd subgenre of metal for me, while i appreciate the technicality and the skill of musicianship, especially rythmically and as being a guitarist myself, i find that alot of the time technicality can take a touch more focus than the songwriting coherancy, alot of the time it can like you say sound very challenging and to me that doesnt always line up with being a pleasurable listen, however i will say from all those bands, meshuggah and animal as leaders are the 2 bands there that when it does hit it hits pretty hard, but ultimately there both more bands i would listen to afew tracks here and there or have on a playlist. I've never really been blown away on a i cant stop listening to this album sense. The first meshuggah album i picked up was contradictions collapse and i'm a massive thrash fan so that was pretty cool but at the same time i dont think it really holds up against alot of the better thrash albums of the 80's and what i was listening too at the time so after a afew listens i was kinda done with it, still i respect the hell out of them as a band and as musicians even if its something i dont really gravitate too massively.
Necrotic Nick- I'd have to agree. Defining a subgenre on a particular riff style always seemed strange but the name just kinda stuck and it is kinda accurate. When someone says a band is a "djent band" I instantly know what they're talking about. The style is hit or miss with me but Meshuggah will always be a stand out namely because they created it and continued to evolve the style. Even amongst all the Meshuggah clones out there I still know when I'm jamming Meshuggah.