Come On, Something Stinks Here, Right?
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- Опубліковано 12 гру 2023
- Product placement and the bbc is a touchy subject it seems, as I recently asked them about, the answers don’t really match up to the reality
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I remember a couple of years ago noticing nearly all BBC presenters appearing in outside broadcasts during the winter months wearing Berghaus coats ( not cheap) with added BBC logos attached.
I contacted the BBC to ask if these coats were funded by the licence fee and was told BBC staff have to pay for and provide their own coats.
What a load of bull
Same with the 'North Face' winter coats worn by outdoor reporters, at upwards of £600 apiece.
If it has the BBC Logo, that makes it “a uniform” for tax purposes. It’s a tax dodge.
rab these days
I noticed the North face coats too, didn't think about it until I watched this! :)
They've put up the licence fee, to try and recoup some of the lost earnings, from thousands of people who are not paying anymore 😂😂😂
I'm very happy to include myself amongst them, thanks to ChilliJonCarne.
Me too
Court payout compensation,
Let the death spiral roll
No wayne, it is up because they can, now that the price freeze has been lifted. No real need.
Sending an unsolicited enforcement officer to someone's home, presuming guilt before innocence, for crimes they can't prove have been committed just sounds absolutely insane....
I've always been disgruntled at the BBC giving away their services to the world (World Services) and selling back to us DVD and VHS cassettes of programs we have already paid for at full price.
They don't give it away. They sell it overseas.
Which technically, means, of yourba license fee payer, you count as an investor. Where is your return on investment? Where are your dividends? Why aren't the bbc ceo's being held to account for failing to carry out their fiduciary duties to the investors?
someone should investigate but the way inquiries go in modern life I won't hold my breath.
The Daily Mirror isn't a proper paper, either, Jon.
No the Daily Mirror is not a proper paper, it's what I would call a PLOPPER PAPER - it's for cutting into small squares and hanging on a nail in the outside lavvy, one of those papers.😅
Obviously getting money from the listed product producers, The BBC is crooked.
cancel your licence now
I remember from a few years ago when i watched I had the impression that North Face had a deal going on with them. Like they were issuing their anoraks to their reporters like ppe.
Some people might say the most invasive product placement in history has been the BBCs recent promotion on behalf of the pharmaceutical industry.
North Face jackets (with the logo clearly on view) worn by outdoor bbc news reporters.
Countryfile is a classic case.
Loving your vids Jon.
Loving the ‘loadsa money’ thumbnail 😃
Well done... Good point, well spotted and should be highlighted. Amazing what they do while trying to convince people their sh!te doesn't smell.
Seems to be okay to advertise all the auction houses that belong to the bargain hunt brigade too
Few if any programs now on the antiques purely as an informative broadcast now. So much on the modern BBC is about the money to be made from whatever they are dealing with viewed purely as a commodity.
It's going to be something completely innocent like somebody getting a back hander from a company or them owning shares in said company.
This reminded me of when I saw ‘Castaway’ at the cinema and practically every shot for the first 30m had a FedEx parcel, van, logo or some other FedEx reference. It was so bad me and my pal were actually giggling.
Yes, but FedEx did pay to have their brand in the movie... Or rather the studio paid FedEx... And they were credited!
The BBC were actually why programmes on TV in the UK have to now have a P logo before any show that has a prominent product placement... EastEnders fans noticed that FORD CARS, MARLBORO Cigarettes with their at the time very distinctive packaging and COKE were becoming more and more prominent in the episodes - The BBC tried to argue it was simply "Set Dressing" but a Government Inquiry decided that it was far too often and the items stayed in shot FAR TOO LONG for it to be just set dressing!
Another show that the BBC had which featured what could be seen as "Product Placement" long before all the laws were tightened... LIFE WITHOUT GEORGE - Carol Royale is eating dinner with someone and can be seen drinking what is very clearly a can of Coke... This was teh 1980's The rules were looser and there was also a legitimate reason.
In the dinner scene, Royale and Her Guest are having a meal, Carol Royale is a Vegetarian, So that had to be accounted for to start with (In the script hey were both having a Steak...) and Carol Royale is also Tee-Total... So she would not be seen with Wine in her hand... Was it prominent? Yes... Sort of... But it was NOT the focus of the scene even though t was clearly visible, Under the current regulations - This would be allowed! Though it is skirting the line!
Mainly as NO ONE has actually decided what makes a "Prominent Placement"... Yeah, The laws are a bit of a mess...
Its like how when BLUE PETER used to air, they could not say SELLOTAPE as its a Brand Name... They had to say STICKY BACK PLASTIC... But even now, We dont say "Scotch Tape"... We all say "Pass the Sellotape" - It does not matter what Brand it is... We all say PASS THE SELLOTAPE!
Just if you go to Australia, Dont ask for JIFFY... You wont get a Contraceptive if you do... (It's famous brand of Sellotape!)
@@Phoenix2312 Paid or not, it was pathetically obvious and quite irritating
How can 2 pairs of branded headphones taking up the lower half of the screen by being in the foreground NOT be prominently placed?
The BBC make their own rules and ensure others follow them while they continually break those same rules.
they could have angled them to not show the logos so prominently
No need to pay itis that simple
Are the BBC committing any criminal offence?
@@DameEdna42yeah, look into the comic relief scandal. where they defrauded the nation multiple times for money to save starving kids, which they instead spent on themselves.
@@DameEdna42 They protected Jimmy Seville.... They use contractors and coercion to intimidate and the public into buying their product... They spread lies about certain vaccinations....
John, you’re one of the few bloggers that gets the thumbs up within the first minute..
The BBC has advertised for years think about virtually every single chat show guest.....lovely to have you on the show...now I hear you have a new film book song play etc
I might be wrong, but back in the day, Michael Parkinson's guests didn't go on his show just to plug their new films/TV shows/records/books, although they did earn from being on the show.
They wouldn't appear without the plug .. the stars are generally contracted to turn up on shows and premieres.
BBC making 'Loads of money!' 🤑
In older sitcoms, all packaging with logos, etc had brown parcel tape covering the manufacturer's name. Sometimes it was so obvious what the product was. I suppose for the sake of 'realism' these days, they can get away with not covering up any brand name. In the example you showed, if Del Boy had said "I'll have some Kelloggs cornflakes for breakfast", then that would be clear breach of guidelines...
He showed Del Boy saying "Get him the Daily Mirror" or words to that effect
Remember years ago watching Neighbours when first shown here. There was product placement and noticed it immediately as it looked so odd. Seems we have just become inured to it.
A few years ago i wrote to them asking how much it had cost to send a presenter plus team to Australia & NZ to make a film about farming issues down under that have no relevance whatsoever to the UK. It was obviously a nice holiday for the presenter. They refused to tell me how much it cost because it ‘ was confidential info that would advantage their competitors if released’ 🤔😳
I would love to see proof of if payment was made for those product placements. It should be made completely transparent.
I have the box set of One Foot in the Grave and the advertising in that is off the scale. Not product placing but verbal references.
Surely the denial of a freedom of information request is illegal!? Your correctly placed observations are called subliminal advertising and it’s been proven to be so effective that it was at some point banned ( maybe still is, I’m not sure ) Keep at it John , trust your instincts, you’re doing an excellent job 👍👍
The 'art, literature and journalism' clause gives the BBC carte blanche to withhold any info they don't want to reach the public domain. The loophole needs to be closed ASAP.
I seem to recall the subliminal advertising that inserted just single frames was banned. Your brain would register it, but your consciousness would not.
You have the freedom to request whatever you like, but the BBC, it seems, has the freedom to refuse to answer any such requests.
@@mykelevangelista6492 not just them
They used to do that at the cinema mostly. It would flash so fast your eyes didn't see it. Then you'd get this feeling you'd want a drink/popcorn, etc.
I have seen Berghaus and Musto jackets being worn by BBC weather reporters with the logo prominent on the jackets.
The BBC is in its death throes - so happy Christmas everyone 🤣
Loving your vids. Keep on being a thorn in the side of the BBC. If it wasn't for my love of live football, I'd have got rid of my licence too. Hopefully they'll go bust within the next 5 years.
There might be hope ahead, I think the Premier league has just done a deal with Sky.
@@juliawigger9796 BUT Sky footie is broadcast live, so if you watch it without a TV license you are breaking the law.
Not one, but two pairs of headphones, both with the logo visible
The one with the logo the right way up just happens to be catching a fat highlight directly above it to draw your attention to it
They could have just focused on the guy in the background and the logos would be illegibly blurred
Cameraman went out of his way to set this up. Probably had to move the headphones to get the shot
Nah man this is sus
Maybe the logos are covered up unless there is an under the table payment.
I think that is obvious. You are getting right up their nose. Keep in up!
Thanks 👍 finally I cancel my TV licence, I don't needed. Last five years I paying what I don't need
You have to remember that the BBC comprises of both a limited and private company. A limited company is not obliged to comply with GPD requests.
Freedom of information act . You have a right to know and tell the public BBC.
I bet they have a dart board in the canteen with your MuGshot on it Chills !
I'd love that
Peckham Echo got bought out by Mirror group and suffered the fate of many local papers 😂
lol well played
Does that mean the Peckham Echo employees' pension scheme got screwed over?
Can anyone read in Peckham?
It's the same on Antiques Road Trip. They say something like 'Today we're in Brighton at John Smith's Antique shop' and show a lingering shot sign above the door. If that's not a commercial I don't know what is.
Thanks for shining light on a fresh facet of this public organisation.
In my books that's advertising, I noticed the first thing in there reply was,"we do not receive any money", the headphone's were an advertisement, it seems they get the best of both worlds. 👍
One foot in the grave was a BBC production and there were loads of name dropping for brands in that. I rewarched it recently and was very surprised.
Absolutely love one foot in the grave.
@HA05GER brilliant isn't it 😀
@@TheSd1ckoyup Im currently watching it on iPlayer after reading this 😂 don't tell anyone 🤫
Got the full dvd collection of ONE FOOT IN THE GRAVE that I pick up & watch for a few episodes every now & again, great fun, will be checking out all the product placements in future!
They are all bent for sure
Labour paper the Mirror and the Beeb lean left.
I want to know how to go about the goons nocking on my door iam geting f,off with it
Perhaps if the BBC took product placements they could abolish the license fee..
@@neilgoodyer9606 If the BBC didn't have so many unnecessary employees, they wouldn't need such a high TV tax in the first place. All those managers and pen-pushers have some tasty salaries and pensions.
Brilliant Jon again you shut the BBC down ..out of date tv..I wouldn't watch it if it was free there programs are rubbish
Last week red bull was featured 4 times on Newsround a canoeist abd a wakeboarder featured in the weekly bulletin and both where shown on the Friday review of the week. Red bull could not have bought better advertising as news round is viewed in nearly every school in the country. Kids see red bull sponsoring association with extreme sports.
I seem to remember the back panel of synthesizers being covered in black gaffer tape on Top Of The Pops back in the day, as the manufacturers logo was usually there. Chances are it was going to be Roland or YAMAHA anyway... I remember when A-ha got to #1 with Take on Me and they only covered the "YAM" bit. Thought that was clever.
BBC has got to change to subscription only ,if you want it you will pay for it? Your doing good job 👍
Do a FOI on the daily Mirror to see if they are paying BBC for Advertisement
now then now then, how's about that then
Danke Sennheiser, nice little earner
As I now reside in France (15 years+) I no longer watch UK TV.
The way the French TV companies seem to handle "product placement" in live streams is to reverse the camera image so that shop names and logos for example are shown mirrored - not the correct way round. If the viewer wishes to "decode" the image - that is a matter for them, their choice entirely. I have no issue with that but, after all said and done, that's why I choose to live in a grown up country like France 😉
I can imagine " we dont receive any funds for product placement but out canteens have pallets of goods from these companies. Help yerself
Time the fee went, Canceled mine online back in June with about 7 months left on license, Im still waiting on a refund, also I had a pre payment plan setup for next years License £100+ in credit and they also havent sent refund, WHY BOTHER TELLING THEM I DON'T NEED YOUR SERVICE!
Older Eastenders used to have HMV adverts saying Top dog in Walford on them.
THE BBC NOT TELLING THE TRUTH ??? NA NEVER LOL🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Hi, Jon I agree with you, and at the end of the day they know what they are doing it's all bloody GREED! And to add insult to injury they put up the license fee!
Only fools and horses is one big product advert
One episode showed the Trotters at the supermarket, which was a phantom name. They could have used that phantom company's products and carrier bags in the Trotters' home.
I wonder where the cheques for such product placement is cashed !?!
Cheques are shredded along with all sponsorship payments... Cash only in a brown Inland Revenue envelope to be left behind the left most bin.
Good point to note if TVL take you to court 😁
The Beeb are just trying to make us think that their staff read "newspapers" other than the Guardian!
The Royle Family had loads going on even showing alcohol brands as well as 200 Benson and Hedges, as well as them going on about Sky and Sky HD, and there was even an episode going on about a Dyson and the camera pans in on it when she's hoovering...Two Pints of Lager and a Packet of Crisps has loads of product placement in the way of alcohol and food as well
Wonder if the harassment tactics will change on their letters if they're getting desperate to recoup lost profits 🤔 well.... they're still not getting a penny and quite certain millions will do the same 👌
In Shooting Stars (showing my age a bit here) the Angelos Epithemu guy always came on with a Sainsbury's bag, and had a song each week about whats in your bag Angelos.
There was a scene in EastEnders where a TV monitor was showing the product manufacturer. The manufacturer? ' El Ge' ! Coincidence?
Hi @chilliJonCarne Found your channel after deciding it was time to stop my license. I found you videos very informative as well as entertaining. I've now cancelled my license just over a week ago and now after watching you videos, I'm confident when the knock will come to my door i will handle it just like you say "shut the door on them". I would like to ask, I still have my sky satellite on the wall even though its not connected to the box which I've got rid of. When they see the dish on the wall will that be sufficient evidence for them to get a warrant? Should I just cut wires or take it down?
Just turn the dish.
They are clearly getting advertising revenue from these companies. If that is so, then the amount they get should be deducted from the money they get from the government. OR, just stop funding them, and let the advertisers fund them.
Looking at Google search about this. The BBC have been at it for years. Lord Sugar even calls them out in 2013. I'm certain on Eastenders the National Lottery was always shown in clips on the show quite often.
When BBC finally lose the licence, No one is going to pay for the tripe they put out. So hopefully they will fold quickly and be nothing more than a bad memory.
The BBC are quick to point out YOU NEED A TVL for watching live broadcast
But they break there own rules on Advertising
They should be FINED for advertising Products as we have already payed for this program through TVL
Mugged off, all the licence payers.
Only Fools and Horses is one of if not the best T.V. program ever. Having said that and as I have been licence free for donkeys years I now find the best things to watch on a screen are vlogs like this highlighting the fact that we the public get shafted every which way from corporate, council and government institutions on an all too regular basis. Keep sticking it to them. The wool may still be pulled over most people's eyes. That's why it is so important you keep doing what you are doing. Every day more and more people get the opportunity to peek beyond the wool and get a glimpse of the bull🤬 for what it is.
What about forcing their apps onto people who don't want it.?
I have noticed the past few years they have been advertising their own programs is this right to be able to do this.
Back in the early 'sixties when I was a kid, I was unfortunately exposed to (and hated) Coronation Street which was then very new and my mother watched it religiously.
It's not BBC, of course.
I was amused to see all the kitchen or dining room scenes featuring packets of food or cleaning products all with the product name blotted out with gummed tape.
I no longer watch TV. My wife watching endless soap operas cured me of that completely, but I did notice that this product obliteration stopped after a while.
I have no idea what the current practice might be.
I see the notice shown at 8:25 said the BBC it does not itself receive payments, but as we saw with Saville it is by far the ultimate master of keeping a very blind eye to any degree of dodgy goings on with the people it employs.
Subliminal messaging of product names.
Cheers John .
If an organisation does not comply with a subject access request and does not give a reasonable answer as to why (as defined by law), then the Information Commissioners Office will take up the case and most often finds in favour of the person asking for the information. However you need to preface correspondence with "N.B. THIS IS A SUBJECT ACCESS REQUEST". You need to use this exact wording before the "Dear xxx". Also it does need to be in capitals. Without it they can claim they did not realise it was a SAR.
It's proof that that are struggling to meet their champagne dinner budgets..
Any kitchen scenes in Mrs Browns Boys has Brennans bread when Brennans is a brand in Ireland
There was a fair amount of Fjallraven outdoor clothing on show on Spring/Autumn/Winter watch, and I don't remember the logos being taped over.
The bbc want their cake and eat it, I wander if someone gets a back hander for product placement? Maybe you could do a freedom of information request to find out😂
If they do not apply, they are in breach. get them sorted.
I dont pay for it, I dont watch it. Simples.
Maybe their sale's were already falling back then and cash in hand is a slim possibility oh so slim.
Quick question: How do they get on with the advertisement in sports? For example, football, on the players kit and around the pitch??? Is that how they pay to broadcast the events???
Love still game on the bbc they mentioned greggs pies and steak bakes by name many times ?
Imagine they change it to the "media" licence and the goons ask if you own a phone at your door, everyone owns a phone, you could possibly watch bbc on it.....gets worse doesnt it!
The two Ronnies with the Lyle and Scott logo.
My name is crime & crime don’t pay 🏴🤪
I don't think the rules were as strict back then and back handers were definitely more common place. Its great you're highlighting it though.
Totally agree with your points. Drives me made the double standards
Stalking the bbc, Jeremy Vine will weep in court and get you 🔒 !
BBC should use the Scunge brand, as seen on Emu's Broadcasting Company many years ago 🙂
Was watching yt two nights ago and the BBC had a trailer for that Suranne Jones serial advertised on it
Because you tell the truth
Not getting a penny of me go online and cancel its the best thing I ever did
Please see . . . Section 14: Independence from External Interests - Guidelines! All the best to you and yours. 👍👍👍
My only worry with the tv license being pushed to be removed is that they roll it into the rest of the government and take the funds out of tax payer money instead.
They cost me not a penny for any of their shit.
one rule for us no rules for them
carry on being a thorn in there sides 👍👍
I think it depends on how much of a backhander they are getting, bit like everything else they think they are so entitled they can make the rules up as they go a long. Try asking about how much money they spend on providing and international translation service to deliver news to other countries and where this money comes from