Interesting dichotomy between title and content. "The Only Band Led Zeppelin Hated Touring With" implies deep loathing, yet the gist of the piece was that while there were fairly deep differences and some distance between the two bands, the fabled rift was overblown- and it wasn't so much Zeppelin having misgivings about Tull, but the other way around. Shades of "clickbait"...
They always do this. Apparently, John Bonham privately thought they were boring, and made a few jokes about it. That's a far cry from their artistic visions philosophically clashing, leading to detest. We got fishhooked, my man.
Maybe this wasn't the case when they toured with Led Zeppelin, but by the time I first saw Jethro Tull in the mid 70's, their shows included new arrangements of some of their songs, and a lot of instrumental material that wasn't on any of their albums. So while they didn't stretch Aqualung out to a ridiculous half hour, the way Zeppelin did with Dazed and Confused, they were far from one of those bands whose concerts were note for note recreations of their albums. There were a lot of bands like that actually.
Also of note, Zeppelin, when recording Zep IV, was in the basement studio, while Tull were in the upstairs studio recording Aqualung. So, many of the stories may be true, but these guys knew each other fairly well and would occasionally "bump into each other" from time to time. I don't think "hate" comes into it.
and yet Tull's drummer, Barriemore Barlowe became Plant's drummer on Principal of Moments. When Zep started, Page was not 100% sure about Robert and there was talk he might not be around after the first American tour. When Page realized Plant's ability on stage and saw him develop as a performer he obviously changed his mind but on that first tour Plant was quite worried Page was going to sack him. In fact, Plant was paid the least on that first tour than anyone except for the roadies. I believe Richad Cole was making more money than Plant at the time. There is a story where Cole ordered Plant to go pick up sandwiches for everyone in January 69' and Plant never really forgave Cole for the slight. Not a coincidence that when Plant essentially took over Zep in 79' he immediately fired Cole.
@markcooper9063 Bunker was the drummer on the first few albums and left Tull in '72. Barrie Barlow came in for Thick as a Brick & the rest of the seventies. Bonham called Barlow, the greatest rock drummer England has ever produced.
Tull's music can't easily be jammed; It's too complex and has to be rehearsed to the point of muscle memory taking over. Ian Anderson is a perfectionist. Two great bands, each with their own way of doing things. I doubt there was any hatred involved.
My thinking was one of the reasons for Zeppelin's constant improvisation is there was no way they could re-create the songs live as they were on the recordings?🤔
Jimmy, a quite gifted guitarist and composer, was used to studio magic overlaying multiple guitars and would improvise live as a result. Not that this had any detriment on their show. I loved every minute of it
By the time Zeppelin became superstars, they also maintained rigid setlists and even some "pat' introductions (Robert always seemed to mention Robert Johnson's Terraplane Blued at every intro to Trampled Underfoot). I am aware that Zeppelin had more improvisation within a song, but there setlists were almost identical within each tour. As a matter of fact, almost ALL of the British bands did that; it was American acts that varied their setlists from night to night.
That's consistent with what the video said; although they used "rigid setlist" which is a bit silly -- other than one show by the Brian Jonestown Massacre where their tour manager got pissed off, canceled all their shows and quit: result, they played a concert for my best friend and I alone, I've never seen a band end a song and be like "what do you want to play now?" Different acts require different things: Robert Plant being a golden god and Jimmy Page being the "shadow" of "shadows and light" doesn't really require a script. You have a public persona: go out and inhabit it. Jethro Tull, having a frontman with a mercurial mad-hatter image, you've basically got to teach early-80s Robin Williams to play the flute, or you're going to lean on set routines. You can't be "on" every night. I keep getting links to these videos "Jimi Hendrix Hated This Band". Jimi Hendrix was interested in doing what Jimi Hendrix was doing: he may have had some private contempt for The Whomever (I didn't click on it) but it makes the late 60s music scene sound like a Jr. High lunch table.
They would hate Beth Hart who not only changes her set list to fit the type of location she is playing at, but has changed the set list during the concert.
The Who was NOT rigid in their set lists and delivery. They always changed things up. Example Live At Leeds, which is considered the greatest live album, especially from 1970.
@@richardforefaxthey definitely did but it was sort of rehearsed sections that they would improvise over. Unlike Grateful Dead and Cream which actually improvised long jams
Different approaches to music is what makes it so entertaining. If every artist approached music the same way the diversity could never be as great as it is. Zeppelin and Tull are both right in that they both created very good music. No diversity should come of bands that have different ways to make music. Different musicians in the same band trying to use different approaches to the music they are making could become a problem for the band, but that is a different topic.
Simple fact of the matter is Tull was literally patterned after a traveling troop of Minstrals. Going from township to village and the occasional Castle! Zeppelin was closer to a traveling Circus! Both equally Entertaining! 🤣👍🏻
@jakethomas3205 from 1967 to 1976, The Mighty Who was considered the band to beat. In 1967 The Who at The Rolling Stones Rock N Roll Circus as an example from 1967, and Live At Leeds from 1970, to The Isle Of Wight shows, 1970 and 1971.
This contrast is common between heavy bands and prog leaning bands. Sometimes it works as tour mates, sometimes it doesn't. It makes sense that Ian would not have considered distance and not connecting as a feud, but media (and drug) consuming Plant would have gotten snagged in a story that didn't exist but made for good press. I'm still drawn to heavy free form but find myself liking more free heavy prog too so I guess it all works out in the end.
Seen both. Both are a tour de force on their own. Thick as A brick is a masterpiece. Have loved Zep since about 68 and even travelled to earls Court in 75. Mick Abrahams remains one of my favourite guitar players, Anderson is another Embra cliche.. and a wild Salmon destroyer, yes he and daltrey!
@@michaelcraig9449 I too was puzzled for a minute...but I'm pretty sure he's referring to a woman's "lady bits." I've not heard this particular bit of slang before...but I think I'm right.
I saw Zep three times back int the day, and Tull twice. NO comparison live. Tull was tight, precise, accurately playing what I paid to hear: Live album cuts. Sound mixing was off the charts great for those days. They were the ONLY band I had ever seen that actually had sheet music visible at every position. By contrast, Zep was all over the place. Plant's voice was shot. Page was clearly drunk and his guitar was out of tune. His solos were sloppy and he was sometimes off by two bars. Bonham was also clearly drunk, but drums are more primal than guitar so his performance did not suffer. By far, the best performer in the band - and possibly the best musician was John Paul Jones, who's Fender Jazz Bass through Acoustic 360's was clear and perfect.
I thought Grand Funk would have been the band in question, since Zeppelin manager Peter Grant was furious with them in 1970 when they were just too damn good for Zeppelin to have to follow.
@@markcooper9063 I saw that concert -- that's the one where Robert Plant broke his leg, and the coach, who had a personal problem with Ian Anderson was forced to put the more talented quarterback into the game, and they won. Going over your time is universally regarded as a dick move; otoh, the manager pulling the plug because his band is getting "blown away" is corny. That just doesn't happen. Think about all the bands that have opened for the Stones throughout the years without getting their power cut. From at least 1980 on, any band opening for the Stones is going to blow them away -- I love them, but they've been living off of their pre-Goats Head Soup stuff for almost half a century at this point. If you like Jethro Tull and aren't that into Zeppelin, of course you're going to enjoy the band you like. I missed where you got to speak for the audience, though. Personally, I'd skip out on seeing Jethro Tull, by cheap drinks elsewhere, and maybe show up for the last 15 minutes. That's because I'm biased: I find Jethro Tull kind of monotonous, no matter how good their fans think their live show is. As the girls in my highschool would say, "stop instigatin'".
I was just listening to a Grand Funk bootleg, They were really great. But a VERY different style than Zeppelin. Grand Funk is a good time rock band - they sound like a precursor to Boston and Ted Nugent with a lot of MC5 and Detroit sound. A lot more fun than Zeppelin, so if that’s your thing or what you’re in mood for, I can see how you might like it better. For me, I’ve listened to all the great Zeppelin bootlegs and I’ll take Zep’s power and adventurousness. But Grand Funk was great!
I saw Boston in 1977 and they played their debut album exactly like the album. The show was over in 45 mins. They were the headliner. People were pissed.
He keeps saying how rigid and well mannered Jethro Tull was, yet every time they show Ian Anderson, he’s going berserk. Meanwhile, Robert Plant is just standing there.
I agree, but the difference is is that jethro Tull is a progressive band. There are a lot of advanced nuances going into each one of their songs. Led zeppelin being basically a heavy rock blues band can improvise easily over their songs, as their base is much more easier to tread. Progressive music has a lot of timing changes in intricate details that make it easy to fumble if you aren't paying attention. And I have seen tull shows before, and they do improvise.
Around the mid-70s, John Bonham was asked who's the best drummer and he said that Barriemore Barlow was the very best drummer ever to come out of Great Britain.
Ian frequently make comments about Zep during shows. He once introduced Thick As A Brick" as Zeppelein's "Whole Lotta Brick." I saw both bands in 1970 at the Forum. Zep in September and Tull, a month later in October. My first two concerts.
TULL and Led Zep are unique in their way. Its true Tull is more complex in their playing style with more Medieval, Fairy tale compositions Ian performance is like a Dance Drama and Music. He brings out more emotion of the character he depicts in the stage. "Starvation and the mouth for a cup of Tea-" really echoed the starvation of a Tramp.
True story😮 as a matter of fact I thought that's who they were going to mention in this video😮 I was surprised when it was about Jethro Tull instead. Just remember though the concert you're talking about was in Grand Funk territory which was Detroit Michigan😊
The Who and Grand Funk were the live bands to beat late 60's early 70's. Zep had great highly polished albums that did not transfer well to the stage like The Who or Funk. The Who were considered the greatest live band from 1967 to 1976.
Saw Boston in 77' in Greensboro. I loved the band, but the concert speakers were so freakin' loud all I heard was a wall of noise with no differentiation between songs.
As much as I love Zeppelin… their live performances were definitely uneven and inconsistent. I’d rather see a band that sounds consistently good every night. Having seen Tull back in the 80s I can attest that they were truly excellent live.
Zeppelin was mostly a studio band and couldn't quite capture the same proficiency live and were mostly sloppy and drug fueled and quite frankly for me ruined their icon status. Bands like Black Sabbath, Thin Lizzy and the Eagles did similar intoxicants and yet managed to sound as good as their studio work live.
I KNEW IT! Jimmy Page suggested a title for Jethro Tull's show in L.A., "Bore 'em At The Forum." I love both bands and although Led Zeppelin inspired me more as a guitarist, Jethro Tull is the better band,
I actually fell for the Spinal Tap crap and bought two albums. After listening to about 4 songs on one of them while drinking one night I threw them both far into the woods and didn`t even save the cassette tapes to use as blanks. As a musician and singer I was absolutely insulted and disgusted by the 5th grade lyrics. I still didn`t catch the joke, or whatever it was, until years later. I feel scammed.
Grand Funk and The Who were mighty live bands. Listen to their live albums. Zep was a very popular band but their live sets were rigid. They didn't explore and didn't very their performances and were very sloppy unlike like The Who or Grand Funk.
@@sparks3423 yeah they were the hometown boy's and they were bringing the house down kickin' ass and takin names and Peter Grant freaked out when he heard the crowd, he pulled the plug on them and shut em down. I had someone arguing with me on UA-cam about this story trying to say it was because GF went over their allotted time but when I heard Mark Farner telling the story they were only 2 songs in when they got shut down so that is not the case!
@ChrisLawton66 yep Grand Funk blew them off the stage. In 1969 Zep opened for The Mighty Who and of course The Who being veterans of live performances for the prior 6 yrs. kicked their arse off the stage.
I've seen both live. Tull were far superior. Page was very disorganised and sloppy in particular. Led Zep were nothing like as good live as on record. Tull were even better live than on record.
By the end of the tour, every member of zep had face hair, only time in their history....thinking they were paying homage to tull who were the best group musically and compositionally in the 70s. Zep knew, musicians know what the public can't hear.
Sounds unlikely. I saw Tull once (about 30 minutes was all anyone needed tbh) but Robert Plant has quoted from Tull; sorry I can't remember the quote. They were Blackmore's favorite band. I do believe that Page and Bonham maybe didn't admire Tull's precise running order, but I doubt they wasted a lot of mental mintues stewing over being on the same bill. Probably less time than this commment took.
I love both bands and have seen both live. I prefer Tull in a live setting because I love seeing the songs performed as they were written, even with a few liberties. I find the extended improvisation annoying and boring some times. The vast differences in off stage styles also made them somewhat incompatible.
Barry Bartholomew and Clive bunker were much better than John Bonham who is highly overrated in my opinion😮 the Great Carl Palmer and Bill bruford are better than all of them😮
Zeppelin's studio albums were masterpieces, live they were someone else. Never saw them live but I've seen much footage as far back to the beginning of their career and it seems they never tried to recreate their music live like you'd expect to hear it. I've never cared for any live Zep I've ever seen. Tull live however was stunning and very true to the music.
I think from the perspective of surviving as an artist and running a business, Jethro Tull had the right idea. As much as I like many of LZ's studio recordings, their live act was a joke, and they were maybe a bit too narcissistic. If their albums weren't so great, they wouldn't have made it, especially after ticket prices were no longer cheap. IA and Jethro Tull were viable long after the death of John Bonham, which was essentially end of Plant and Page as "legends" of rock. I have a lot of respect for Ian Anderson's work ethic and the fact that he actually has always was a responsible adult and a good businessman, although maybe a little too rigid at times, but Idk, I was not privvy to his requisite day to day decisions.
What a crock. Look up the setlists of Zeppelin. They played 95% of the same setlist every night of a tour. Maybe the length of songs were stretched out, mostly Dazed and Confused, No Quarter and Whole Lotta Love but the core songs were the same night after night of any given tour.
I saw Tull at Madison Square Garden in the early 80s the opening act was Donavan who was booed off the stage and started crying. Felt bad for him the NY crowd was ruthless. Amazing. Tull opening up for Zeppelin sounded like a great pairing
All the best live shows I have ever seen were heavily choreographed, ELO, Queen, James Gang , van Hagar etc Worst live shows weren’t, ZZ Top, dead, zep
I saw both the Who and ZED at the Pontiac Silverdome. The Who rocked so hard , Zep was near boring. Grand Funk blew ZEp off the stage in Cleveland and Grant ended the damage right there.
Yes... the audience's appreciation for GFR was so embarrassing to Led Zeppelin, that Grant came on stage, stopped GFR and kicked them off the tour. GFR went on to be a headliner and sold out Shea Stadium faster than the Beatles!
MSG 1973, for example, has Zeppelin performing "No Quarter", The Song Remains the Same, The Rain Song, Dazed and Confused" etc. much better than the studio vinyl.
@@javlohudzlin4829on vinyl they had limited space, live they could extend solos, & add more to their songs. Listening to different songs from the different concerts, you can decide which version you like more. I like live at Earls Court In My Time Of Dying, more the May 25th version, then the 24th version. I think the 25th has more soulful passion vocals, & Pages guitar playing is better, not that it was bad the other night.
@hazelmodisett4097 Zep was a great studio band with highly polished albums that didn't transfer well to the stage. The Who on the other hand were master blasters on the stage.
@ I’d guess because Led Zeppelin songs had more. Depth to them, but I find they were still absolutely amazing live. Only Led Zeppelin haters whine about them, I think it’s because they need to clean their ears.
@sicotshit7068 Zep was sloppy live and most people know it, but were great studio band. The Who live was another level. Their performances were legendary.
@@sicotshit7068 You can LOL all you want, but when both bands were at their peak from the early to mid 1970's, Jethro Tull absolutely was just as popular. Admittedly Led Zeppelin is much more popular now, but back then, they were both hugely popular.
@@RodericSpode Tull were very popular yes,,,,,but not as popular as Zep. Zep were selling out stadiums by 1973 and as for album sales Zep outsold Tull by a colossal amount.
So I got into a back n forth with someone about this story and their take was that supposedly GF went over their allotted time that's why Grant had them shut down, I didn't and still don't believe that's true. I heard Mark talking about this and it kinda seems like GF was kickin' it a bit too hard. The hometown team was running away with the attention and Grant wasn't liking it.
Interesting dichotomy between title and content. "The Only Band Led Zeppelin Hated Touring With" implies deep loathing, yet the gist of the piece was that while there were fairly deep differences and some distance between the two bands, the fabled rift was overblown- and it wasn't so much Zeppelin having misgivings about Tull, but the other way around.
Shades of "clickbait"...
absolutely
They always do this. Apparently, John Bonham privately thought they were boring, and made a few jokes about it.
That's a far cry from their artistic visions philosophically clashing, leading to detest. We got fishhooked, my man.
@@jessejordache1869 I remember Plant calling them Jethro dull once...
Exactly right, mate. Absolutely love both bands, but this "story" isn't worth my time.
man, my two favorite rock bands in one show. ive seen them both several times, but to see them in their prime wouldve been legendary
Maybe this wasn't the case when they toured with Led Zeppelin, but by the time I first saw Jethro Tull in the mid 70's, their shows included new arrangements of some of their songs, and a lot of instrumental material that wasn't on any of their albums. So while they didn't stretch Aqualung out to a ridiculous half hour, the way Zeppelin did with Dazed and Confused, they were far from one of those bands whose concerts were note for note recreations of their albums. There were a lot of bands like that actually.
Also of note, Zeppelin, when recording Zep IV, was in the basement studio, while Tull were in the upstairs studio recording Aqualung. So, many of the stories may be true, but these guys knew each other fairly well and would occasionally "bump into each other" from time to time. I don't think "hate" comes into it.
and yet Tull's drummer, Barriemore Barlowe became Plant's drummer on Principal of Moments. When Zep started, Page was not 100% sure about Robert and there was talk he might not be around after the first American tour. When Page realized Plant's ability on stage and saw him develop as a performer he obviously changed his mind but on that first tour Plant was quite worried Page was going to sack him. In fact, Plant was paid the least on that first tour than anyone except for the roadies. I believe Richad Cole was making more money than Plant at the time. There is a story where Cole ordered Plant to go pick up sandwiches for everyone in January 69' and Plant never really forgave Cole for the slight. Not a coincidence that when Plant essentially took over Zep in 79' he immediately fired Cole.
Clive bunker was the drummer
Richard Cole was, according to everyone, a complete schmuck.
@markcooper9063
Bunker was the drummer on the first few albums and left Tull in '72. Barrie Barlow came in for Thick as a Brick & the rest of the seventies. Bonham called Barlow, the greatest rock drummer England has ever produced.
@@-dugair And when Bonham died,Barlow was rumoured to be his replacement,he had left Tull a few months earlier.
Tull's music can't easily be jammed; It's too complex and has to be rehearsed to the point of muscle memory taking over. Ian Anderson is a perfectionist. Two great bands, each with their own way of doing things. I doubt there was any hatred involved.
My thinking was one of the reasons for Zeppelin's constant improvisation is there was no way they could re-create the songs live as they were on the recordings?🤔
No, because Zeppelin was about creating music in the moment.
@@javlohudzlin4829yes exactly!
"I can't tolerate repetition." -- Robert Plant
Jimmy, a quite gifted guitarist and composer, was used to studio magic overlaying multiple guitars and would improvise live as a result. Not that this had any detriment on their show. I loved every minute of it
@ me too.
By the time Zeppelin became superstars, they also maintained rigid setlists and even some "pat' introductions (Robert always seemed to mention Robert Johnson's Terraplane Blued at every intro to Trampled Underfoot). I am aware that Zeppelin had more improvisation within a song, but there setlists were almost identical within each tour. As a matter of fact, almost ALL of the British bands did that; it was American acts that varied their setlists from night to night.
Hardley any improvisation, not there thing.
That's consistent with what the video said; although they used "rigid setlist" which is a bit silly -- other than one show by the Brian Jonestown Massacre where their tour manager got pissed off, canceled all their shows and quit: result, they played a concert for my best friend and I alone, I've never seen a band end a song and be like "what do you want to play now?"
Different acts require different things: Robert Plant being a golden god and Jimmy Page being the "shadow" of "shadows and light" doesn't really require a script. You have a public persona: go out and inhabit it. Jethro Tull, having a frontman with a mercurial mad-hatter image, you've basically got to teach early-80s Robin Williams to play the flute, or you're going to lean on set routines. You can't be "on" every night.
I keep getting links to these videos "Jimi Hendrix Hated This Band". Jimi Hendrix was interested in doing what Jimi Hendrix was doing: he may have had some private contempt for The Whomever (I didn't click on it) but it makes the late 60s music scene sound like a Jr. High lunch table.
They would hate Beth Hart who not only changes her set list to fit the type of location she is playing at, but has changed the set list during the concert.
The Who was NOT rigid in their set lists and delivery. They always changed things up. Example Live At Leeds, which is considered the greatest live album, especially from 1970.
@@richardforefaxthey definitely did but it was sort of rehearsed sections that they would improvise over. Unlike Grateful Dead and Cream which actually improvised long jams
Different approaches to music is what makes it so entertaining. If every artist approached music the same way the diversity could never be as great as it is. Zeppelin and Tull are both right in that they both created very good music. No diversity should come of bands that have different ways to make music. Different musicians in the same band trying to use different approaches to the music they are making could become a problem for the band, but that is a different topic.
Did anyone catch that Zepplin's raw and improvisational style contrasted with Tull's precision and theatrics? Or maybe they just glossed over that?
"More Shakespeare than Jackson Pollock..." What a wonderful turn of a phrase! Bravo!!
i stood right behind clive bunker, on stage, at the Strawberry Fields festival. I literally could not believe what i was seeing. the best.
In Led Zeppelin Chicago Kinetic playground Feb 7, 1969 I saw Zeppelin, Tull, and Vanilla Fudge, the FUDGE being the A Band. It was excellent.
Simple fact of the matter is Tull was literally patterned after a traveling troop of Minstrals. Going from township to village and the occasional Castle!
Zeppelin was closer to a traveling Circus!
Both equally Entertaining!
🤣👍🏻
I saw led Zeppelin live and they were really good but nowhere as good live as the Who .They were incredible!
Early 70s Who were the best band live.i had seen them several times.
Have seen them both. Probably true. Still, LZ was amazing.
@jakethomas3205 from 1967 to 1976, The Mighty Who was considered the band to beat. In 1967 The Who at The Rolling Stones Rock N Roll Circus as an example from 1967, and Live At Leeds from 1970, to The Isle Of Wight shows, 1970 and 1971.
Two entirely different bands. I saw them both and they were great, Zeppelin as rock behemoths, and Tull prog masters with a sly grin.
I love 'em both, would love to have seen a Zeppelin and Tull show
This contrast is common between heavy bands and prog leaning bands. Sometimes it works as tour mates, sometimes it doesn't. It makes sense that Ian would not have considered distance and not connecting as a feud, but media (and drug) consuming Plant would have gotten snagged in a story that didn't exist but made for good press. I'm still drawn to heavy free form but find myself liking more free heavy prog too so I guess it all works out in the end.
O9/05/ 1971-- at the Amphitheater in Chicago, I saw Zeppelin-- best concert EVER; also saw Tull same place diffetent date; good concert.
Seen both. Both are a tour de force on their own. Thick as A brick is a masterpiece. Have loved Zep since about 68 and even travelled to earls Court in 75. Mick Abrahams remains one of my favourite guitar players, Anderson is another Embra cliche.. and a wild Salmon destroyer, yes he and daltrey!
Wild salmon destroyer? Care to explain this?
@@michaelcraig9449 I too was puzzled for a minute...but I'm pretty sure he's referring to a woman's "lady bits." I've not heard this particular bit of slang before...but I think I'm right.
Daltrey was one of the greats that acted like a real man on stage. Plant with little girls blouses with ruffles was difficult to watch.
@@michaelcraig9449yes Roger Daltrey liked his Y bone steak as he called it. 😅
I saw Zep three times back int the day, and Tull twice. NO comparison live. Tull was tight, precise, accurately playing what I paid to hear: Live album cuts. Sound mixing was off the charts great for those days. They were the ONLY band I had ever seen that actually had sheet music visible at every position.
By contrast, Zep was all over the place. Plant's voice was shot. Page was clearly drunk and his guitar was out of tune. His solos were sloppy and he was sometimes off by two bars. Bonham was also clearly drunk, but drums are more primal than guitar so his performance did not suffer. By far, the best performer in the band - and possibly the best musician was John Paul Jones, who's Fender Jazz Bass through Acoustic 360's was clear and perfect.
In the late 60s and early 70s The Who blew everyone off the stage.
I thought Grand Funk would have been the band in question, since Zeppelin manager Peter Grant was furious with them in 1970 when they were just too damn good for Zeppelin to have to follow.
No. They played longer than scheduled. And Peter Grant unplugged their equipment. The crowd started rioting. Fools missed the chance to see Zeppelin.
My older brother went to the early tull zeppelin.he said tull blew them away.so the audience could get a great tull show and mediocre led zeplin
@@markcooper9063 I saw that concert -- that's the one where Robert Plant broke his leg, and the coach, who had a personal problem with Ian Anderson was forced to put the more talented quarterback into the game, and they won.
Going over your time is universally regarded as a dick move; otoh, the manager pulling the plug because his band is getting "blown away" is corny. That just doesn't happen. Think about all the bands that have opened for the Stones throughout the years without getting their power cut. From at least 1980 on, any band opening for the Stones is going to blow them away -- I love them, but they've been living off of their pre-Goats Head Soup stuff for almost half a century at this point.
If you like Jethro Tull and aren't that into Zeppelin, of course you're going to enjoy the band you like. I missed where you got to speak for the audience, though. Personally, I'd skip out on seeing Jethro Tull, by cheap drinks elsewhere, and maybe show up for the last 15 minutes. That's because I'm biased: I find Jethro Tull kind of monotonous, no matter how good their fans think their live show is.
As the girls in my highschool would say, "stop instigatin'".
I was just listening to a Grand Funk bootleg, They were really great. But a VERY different style than Zeppelin. Grand Funk is a good time rock band - they sound like a precursor to Boston and Ted Nugent with a lot of MC5 and Detroit sound. A lot more fun than Zeppelin, so if that’s your thing or what you’re in mood for, I can see how you might like it better. For me, I’ve listened to all the great Zeppelin bootlegs and I’ll take Zep’s power and adventurousness. But Grand Funk was great!
@@Dan-zq5wt I like your description of Grand Funk: I had sour face at Boston and Ted Nugent, and then you said MC5 and suddenly everything clicked.
Probably explains why Tull could change personnel and zep couldn’t.
I saw Boston in 1977 and they played their debut album exactly like the album. The show was over in 45 mins. They were the headliner. People were pissed.
He keeps saying how rigid and well mannered Jethro Tull was, yet every time they show Ian Anderson, he’s going berserk. Meanwhile, Robert Plant is just standing there.
I agree, but the difference is is that jethro Tull is a progressive band. There are a lot of advanced nuances going into each one of their songs. Led zeppelin being basically a heavy rock blues band can improvise easily over their songs, as their base is much more easier to tread. Progressive music has a lot of timing changes in intricate details that make it easy to fumble if you aren't paying attention. And I have seen tull shows before, and they do improvise.
Around the mid-70s, John Bonham was asked who's the best drummer and he said that Barriemore Barlow was the very best drummer ever to come out of Great Britain.
Ian frequently make comments about Zep during shows. He once introduced Thick As A Brick" as Zeppelein's "Whole Lotta Brick." I saw both bands in 1970 at the Forum. Zep in September and Tull, a month later in October. My first two concerts.
John Bohnam always looked like my Dad,literally. The beard,stocky build,and
"do what I say boy" mannerisms.
Sen both bands in the 70s great shows both bands but The Who blew them away back in the 70s,, very explosive band!!
Keith Moon's drumming was nuclear.
That surprises me. Loved both bands. Wish I'd seen that tour.
TULL and Led Zep are unique in their way. Its true Tull is more complex in their playing style with more Medieval, Fairy tale compositions Ian performance is like a Dance Drama and Music. He brings out more emotion of the character he depicts in the stage. "Starvation and the mouth for a cup of Tea-" really echoed the starvation of a Tramp.
I've read where the energy and showmanship of Grand Funk Railroad blew the Zep off the stage like a Hindenburg explosion. Is this true?
True story😮 as a matter of fact I thought that's who they were going to mention in this video😮 I was surprised when it was about Jethro Tull instead. Just remember though the concert you're talking about was in Grand Funk territory which was Detroit Michigan😊
The Who and Grand Funk were the live bands to beat late 60's early 70's. Zep had great highly polished albums that did not transfer well to the stage like The Who or Funk. The Who were considered the greatest live band from 1967 to 1976.
@@trajan6927 actually that would have been ELP especially in the early 1970s due to the Maestro musicianship and virtuosity
@edljnehan2811 E.L.P. was a great live band. Seen them 3 times in Detroit early and mid 70's. Great stuff for sure.
@edljnehan2811 Carl Palmer is one of my favorite drummers. Met Palmer on a cruise about 7 yrs ago. Still can perform. Guy is unreal. Underrated.
Saw Boston in 77' in Greensboro. I loved the band, but the concert speakers were so freakin' loud all I heard was a wall of noise with no differentiation between songs.
As much as I love Zeppelin… their live performances were definitely uneven and inconsistent. I’d rather see a band that sounds consistently good every night. Having seen Tull back in the 80s I can attest that they were truly excellent live.
Bull crap - inconsistent? WTF do you know….
@@charlesdbruce yes Zep was often a poor live band. Many have said so. The Who were the powerhouse back in their prime.
Zeppelin was mostly a studio band and couldn't quite capture the same proficiency live and were mostly sloppy and drug fueled and quite frankly for me ruined their icon status. Bands like Black Sabbath, Thin Lizzy and the Eagles did similar intoxicants and yet managed to sound as good as their studio work live.
Love both bands, but "Jethro Dull" was too funny
Who cares... it's music,not ww3...
I saw LZ in 1970. No opening act. LZ live were spotty.
I KNEW IT! Jimmy Page suggested a title for Jethro Tull's show in L.A., "Bore 'em At The Forum." I love both bands and although Led Zeppelin inspired me more as a guitarist, Jethro Tull is the better band,
So it was Bonham? I always read that it was Page who gave that title. Let's not forget that Jethro Tull were never accused of plagiarizing.
Tull was a little too Spinal Tap/ Shire of Frodo for me lol
I actually fell for the Spinal Tap crap and bought two albums. After listening to about 4 songs on one of them while drinking one night I threw them both far into the woods and didn`t even save the cassette tapes to use as blanks. As a musician and singer I was absolutely insulted and disgusted by the 5th grade lyrics. I still didn`t catch the joke, or whatever it was, until years later. I feel scammed.
They co headlined with the Who in 69, the Who blew them off the stage.
"Waiting at a bus stop...
Five guys gonna pick me up!
Yeah, scuba gear."
-Scuba Gear, Frank Sinatra.
Grand Funk is the band that blew Zep off the stage !!
Grand Funk and The Who were mighty live bands. Listen to their live albums. Zep was a very popular band but their live sets were rigid. They didn't explore and didn't very their performances and were very sloppy unlike like The Who or Grand Funk.
hahaha yea you bet. don't think so
@@sparks3423 yeah they were the hometown boy's and they were bringing the house down kickin' ass and takin names and Peter Grant freaked out when he heard the crowd, he pulled the plug on them and shut em down. I had someone arguing with me on UA-cam about this story trying to say it was because GF went over their allotted time but when I heard Mark Farner telling the story they were only 2 songs in when they got shut down so that is not the case!
@@trajan6927well there's a completely uninformed opinion if ever there was one 😅😅😅
@ChrisLawton66 yep Grand Funk blew them off the stage. In 1969 Zep opened for The Mighty Who and of course The Who being veterans of live performances for the prior 6 yrs. kicked their arse off the stage.
I've seen both live.
Tull were far superior. Page was very disorganised and sloppy in particular. Led Zep were nothing like as good live as on record.
Tull were even better live than on record.
Hear hear
I loved both bands. Different approaches and equally powerful each in their own way. The disrespect was uncalled for.
Having seen both Tull and Led Zep in the 70’s… Tull was far and away the better live band.
By the end of the tour, every member of zep had face hair, only time in their history....thinking they were paying homage to tull who were the best group musically and compositionally in the 70s. Zep knew, musicians know what the public can't hear.
Sounds unlikely. I saw Tull once (about 30 minutes was all anyone needed tbh) but Robert Plant has quoted from Tull; sorry I can't remember the quote. They were Blackmore's favorite band.
I do believe that Page and Bonham maybe didn't admire Tull's precise running order, but I doubt they wasted a lot of mental mintues stewing over being on the same bill. Probably less time than this commment took.
It's a good story, but I wish they muted that background noise.
Seen both live,Tull was better no question about it!
I saw both Bands in the 70s, Tull Every time they came here from 1977 till 2008 or so, and Tull put on a Better much better show then Zep IMO
This is horrible AI.
The Copper Penny blew Zep off the stage too, in my city of Kitchener Ontario Canada 🇨🇦 on November 4th 1969.
Did they ever tour with the Fall?
I love both bands and have seen both live. I prefer Tull in a live setting because I love seeing the songs performed as they were written, even with a few liberties. I find the extended improvisation annoying and boring some times. The vast differences in off stage styles also made them somewhat incompatible.
Don't know what came over the Managers, thinking the tour would be a good idea.
They would’ve hated Rush even more, a band whose shows were all about rehearsed precision.
Not about hating, just two different approaches.
Yet some try to claim Rush is better, I personally would rather see concerts preformed differently, it’s performed with real passion.
@@sicotshit7068 I agree with you. Just think of the monotonous nature of playing the same thing, night after night!
@ yes
@@javlohudzlin4829 I love both bands. Just posting in response to the video title.
never mind the 'almost'....bunker was better.
There was no comparison
Does anybody remember laughter? Not exactly spontaneous on the part of Plant.
I love Robert Plant, but I always thought that was a goofy line anyway. What does it even? Who doesn't remember laughter?
ledd zeppelin, died with John Bonham ....Jethro Tull ....rocks on , today ..Go Tull ..!!!!!
Apples and oranges!.
J. Tull was the only band we ever walked out on at Cobo Hall in Detroit. Never cared for their music anyway
Too complex for ya? Tull great in concert as well as albums. Zep great on vinyl, kind of bleak and sloppy live.....
Two Leos going head to head was never going to be a good combo!
Tull was just a bore fest. I never got Aqualung lyrics etc. It never made sense to me.
I've always loved both bands. Totally different. Having seen both bands live, in my opinion, Tull were the better live band.
I much prefer the improvised Zeppelin approach.
bonham hated tull because they had a drummer that was almost as good. almost.
Bonham was a flat footed plodder that should have learned his rudiments compared to Barlow or Bunker.
Bonham was the one who said Barrimore Barlow was the best drummer the UK ever produced!!
Barry Bartholomew and Clive bunker were much better than John Bonham who is highly overrated in my opinion😮 the Great Carl Palmer and Bill bruford are better than all of them😮
Zep would have loved touring with Nirvana. That'd be a great pair I believe. 😊🎉
Tull way better than Zeppelin live. Tull was tight. Zep sloppy as hell. Very disappointing. Saw them both at Chicago Stadium
Zeppelin all great musicians, but very undisciplined live , out of tune and just nothing like the records. Left the show early
Zeppelin's studio albums were masterpieces, live they were someone else. Never saw them live but I've seen much footage as far back to the beginning of their career and it seems they never tried to recreate their music live like you'd expect to hear it. I've never cared for any live Zep I've ever seen.
Tull live however was stunning and very true to the music.
@@DaveAurelioI think in general that’s bollocks. While every night wasn’t their best, the were known for playing for up to three hrs…
@jbonham78 Zep sloppy band live, but great studio albums. The Mighty Who had great studio albums but even better live shows.
@@trajan6927 yeah very sorry I never got to see them live back before Keith died. The Who live was very powerful!
you can tell this is an AI script, because it just says the same thing over and over and over
what about Grand Funk??
How many times will you repeat the same basic story. We got it. Zep liked freedom, Tull needed order.
Zep didn't like touring with Grand Funk Railroad as the opening act because they were too hard to follow.
I think from the perspective of surviving as an artist and running a business, Jethro Tull had the right idea.
As much as I like many of LZ's studio recordings, their live act was a joke, and they were maybe a bit too narcissistic.
If their albums weren't so great, they wouldn't have made it, especially after ticket prices were no longer cheap. IA and Jethro Tull were viable long after the death of John Bonham, which was essentially end of Plant and Page as "legends" of rock. I have a lot of respect for Ian Anderson's work ethic and the fact that he actually has always was a responsible adult and a good businessman, although maybe a little too rigid at times, but Idk, I was not privvy to his requisite day to day decisions.
Anderson has a short ring finger😮✌️
What a crock. Look up the setlists of Zeppelin. They played 95% of the same setlist every night of a tour. Maybe the length of songs were stretched out, mostly Dazed and Confused, No Quarter and Whole Lotta Love but the core songs were the same night after night of any given tour.
So it was a Yin/ Yang thang
I saw Tull at Madison Square Garden in the early 80s the opening act was Donavan who was booed off the stage and started crying. Felt bad for him the NY crowd was ruthless. Amazing. Tull opening up for Zeppelin sounded like a great pairing
I’m with Tull on this one after hearing Page play so crappy and even out of tune.
LOL
One song by Jethro Tull outdoes everything that Led Zeppelin ever did. Thick As A Brick.
Ridiculous… Neil Peart was the greatest ever.
@ so very wrong
Tull was great
No one outside of Zep's circle liked Bonham. He was a bully and a mean drunk.
Cool story with nothing but your say so.
Who's surprised??? ;)
Zeppelin putting down another bands live act? 😂Zep was a HORRIBLE live band. Great in the studio though
Mind you, the best live band❤❤
Zep's complaints seem rather adolescent.
If any of that is even true.
All the best live shows I have ever seen were heavily choreographed, ELO, Queen, James Gang , van Hagar etc Worst live shows weren’t, ZZ Top, dead, zep
That’s a pretty silly thing to say honestly
I saw both bands frequently in the 70s. Hands down Tull was far more entertaining! Looking back Zeppellin were Assholes!
clickbait very little learned here
I saw both the Who and ZED at the Pontiac Silverdome. The Who rocked so hard , Zep was near boring. Grand Funk blew ZEp off the stage in Cleveland and Grant ended the damage right there.
Yes... the audience's appreciation for GFR was so embarrassing to Led Zeppelin, that Grant came on stage, stopped GFR and kicked them off the tour. GFR went on to be a headliner and sold out Shea Stadium faster than the Beatles!
Both bands were much better on vinyl than live, although I preferred Zeps live show than Andersons spastic posturing & inane banter.
MSG 1973, for example, has Zeppelin performing "No Quarter", The Song Remains the Same, The Rain Song, Dazed and Confused" etc. much better than the studio vinyl.
@@javlohudzlin4829on vinyl they had limited space, live they could extend solos, & add more to their songs. Listening to different songs from the different concerts, you can decide which version you like more. I like live at Earls Court In My Time Of Dying, more the May 25th version, then the 24th version. I think the 25th has more soulful passion vocals, & Pages guitar playing is better, not that it was bad the other night.
@hazelmodisett4097 Zep was a
great studio band with highly polished albums that didn't transfer well to the stage. The Who on the other hand were master blasters on the stage.
@ I’d guess because Led Zeppelin songs had more. Depth to them, but I find they were still absolutely amazing live. Only Led Zeppelin haters whine about them, I think it’s because they need to clean their ears.
@sicotshit7068 Zep was sloppy live and most people know it, but were great studio band. The Who live was another level. Their performances were legendary.
Like it or not Jethro Tull was just as popular
LOL!
@@sicotshit7068 You can LOL all you want, but when both bands were at their peak from the early to mid 1970's, Jethro Tull absolutely was just as popular. Admittedly Led Zeppelin is much more popular now, but back then, they were both hugely popular.
@@RodericSpode Tull were very popular yes,,,,,but not as popular as Zep. Zep were selling out stadiums by 1973 and as for album sales Zep outsold Tull by a colossal amount.
Give me Tull anytime.
I had to stop watching half way through because the background music loop was giving me a headache.
I’m I alone thinking how overrated Zeppelin were?
Elvis?
Never a Zep fan. Plant’s screeching, effeminate voice ruined it for me. But that’s just me.
I love Led Zeppelin, but what a bunch of wussy’s. They have their manager pull the plug on GFR and talk behind Tulls back like little girls
Grant would never let another band upstage his boys.
So I got into a back n forth with someone about this story and their take was that supposedly GF went over their allotted time that's why Grant had them shut down, I didn't and still don't believe that's true. I heard Mark talking about this and it kinda seems like GF was kickin' it a bit too hard. The hometown team was running away with the attention and Grant wasn't liking it.
Jazz odyssey.