Well, my Revan corrupted the Kolto, making it unusable, and ensuring that millions on both sides who might have otherwise survived would die, so I guess it's a bacta bath for me.
My guess is that Kolto was somehow powered by The Force; a healing microbe, perhaps, and when so much of it was used for greed, that perhaps soured the force in the area, nearly killing off the microbe and greatly reducing their healing powers.
Wow, you ARE a devil! I really wish I had a Men In Black Memory Eraser Thingy for whenever somebody reminds me that The Force is actually a microscopic organism. So, so, so dumb. (But given the stupid premise that SW presents, that's a pretty good theory you got there! And no, I don't have a better idea for what The Force is, but I don't need one. They shouldn't have ever explained it at all!)
that is a plausible theory, the Selkath's greed in exploiting their Kolto reserves for economic gain could have caused some disruption in the bit of The Force that made Kolto's healing properties possible, diminishing the quantity and quality of Kolto
I like this theory but I feel like it's a bit more simple than that. Kolto seems to behave like our own fossil fuels do and as such they could of simply used up their reserves and started to run out and Kolto itself seems to definitely have something to do with midichlorians. Odds are the planet just happened to have a large amount of midichlorians and sadly they started to diminish as the Kolto itself was being extracted. Then there could of been the souring with the sith potentially playing a part.
According to rumours ingame kolto may have been created by an ancient shark/piranha-like "fish" on the bottom of Manaan's oceans that during the era of the Infinite empire was dry land (As the starmap is found at the bottom near the Rakert rift. But it could at the same time have been Force related as well. Possibly a callback to the worms of Arrakis and the spice.
I am also excited to see Manaan in the remake. Sea planets and water environments were always my favorites as they were super unique and Manaan had this certain quality to it that the other planets didn't quite have.
I know that in SWTOR you can go to Manaan. I don't know just how much of the planet is explorable though. Looking forward to the remake myself for the man reason
I’d probably go with Bacta. From my recollection, the Bacta tank was the only time Darth Vader could somewhat escape most of his physical pain. Considering how much he endured, I think I’d pick Bacta as my primary choice. :)
Bacta was the only thing that was used during the republic/empire, because the sith fleet destroyed the source of kolto which prompted the use of bacta.
Technically Kolto does the same thing, Bacta just was stronger. Kolto would get the job down and numb the pain. It just was a little weaker it'd take longer to heal you.
@@xjadit7826 not really, they sold it to every side in every major conflict during the time they have a large supply. They only tried to pick and choose when the kolto supply slowed down
@@peadrianlastname they were though yeah they sold it to everyone but you had to jump through hoops for that to happen and entire organisations wether they be states like the republic and the empire or company’s could be kicked off the planet and not allowed to access the stuff anymore based on the actions of one person
@@xjadit7826I bet you cant name one time the selkath actually refused sale of kolto to a specific person/group before the kolto production slowed. They did have tight guidelines for behavior on their world, but i cant remember a single time cutting off access to kolto was more than a scare tactic to get the much more powerful armies of the sith and republic to behave on manaan
No it isn’t, it is a big plot point in some of the books that it can only be grown legally on one planet and even without that trying to grow it elsewhere is extremely difficult
If there's anything I've learned from Republic Commando it's "Never say no to Bacta!" So Bacta bath for me it is. Like I said to your KOTOR remake question, I too am really looking forward to Manaan, water areas and environments in games are places I always find to be my favorite, especially with great graphics. Too bad the Selkath never realised the insane market of selling Twi'lek Kolto bath water. The credits they could've made..
It depends - many people in SW are actually allergic to Bacta, so for them Kolto would probably be worth the extra expense if it is more expensive. Still, I'd take and store both if I could :)
This part of the game taught me the importance of not having a critical resources coming in their majority from just 1 source. And some people still think games don't teach us practical stuff that is applicable in real life. (heh)
This is extremely applicable in real life. Just look a Venezuela. They had put all their eggs into one basket (their oil reserves) and when the cost of oil dropped in the 1980's, it nearly bankrupted the whole country. Much like the Selkath centering their entire planet's economy around Kolto. So when Kolto was out competed by Bacta, the demand for Kolto dropped and collapsed their entire planet's economy.
this is, BY FAR, the smallest yet more INTERESTING detail ive seen of star wars in a long time. I do RP and fanfiction and this shit will stay on my favorites for a LONG time LOVED IT
I agree lol....I hated Manaan...if I'm a dark side player I really don't understand why I would go with their "police" forces willingly and would allow myself to be executed...I wish I had the option to, after I get the star map, go on a killing rampage...
I like Manaan as a planet, but the Selkath are one of my least favorite species from the Old Republic. Any little legal infraction and they were totally down to execute you. Honestly still happy that the murder side quest can be done lightside, but still “prove” the guy innocent, mostly due to lack of hard evidence and the sith being completely incompetent in the courtroom lol
@@Bearical My problem was a 2-3 word sentence that takes a normal English reader about 0.2 seconds to read would play 50 seconds of alien language. Luckily you can skip through dialogue.
@@FormerGovernmentHuman Yes, but not every player is a native English speaker. Beyond that, the game was made with the intention for children to play. Some kids can't read that fast. So it's always better for the dialogue to go on for a touch too long so the player has ample time to read it and then skip when they've finished.
I am afraid of open water and Manaan always terrified me on some level, especially as a kid lol the story on that planet is great though. 2nd favorite only to Korriban
Absolutely loved this planet in kotor. From the music, the city, the endless sea to the selkath speech and great quest. This was one of my highlights of the game for sure.
Cheap, easier to replicate and make, and not vulnerable to possible tampering from a singular source. Just like the telegram over the Pony Express, if I say so myself.
You should do a video about how the exile weakened Nihilus before the fight because of him attempting to consume her. I think a lot of people miss the fact that he was super weak when you fight him because he essentially destroyed a part of himself or something in doing that and the exile was the only one capable of defeating him because of this. Since she was a wound herself
@Patrick Dolan it elaborated on it and if you have finished a game you saw the elaboration. But the problem is most people seem to ignore it. Visas Marr and Kreia explain it several times over.
If it had been something that had been written into existence at the time. Also it depends on the type of injury. The Bounty Hunter Code says it's more useful for burns but less for other things. That could just be superstition or anecdotal experience on the part of the in universe author though.
@@michaelandreipalon359 But would he have given up on himself if he wasn't trapped as a cyborg? And he and Face would have been carrying Kolto doses for him on board their fighters/ejection seats.
Seen as there was one of the ancient Star Maps close to were the Kolto was harvested on the Hrakert Rift station, I'm wandering if that had something to do with the Kolto (and the Giant Firaxan shark) being there. I'm wandering if The star forge being destroyed had a knock on effect. Seen as Rakatan technology was powered by the force maybe it was the force that powered kolto, (I saw another comment with this theory) and after the star forge was destroyed it stopped powering the Star Map and possibly any other Rakatan/Force technology that was also producing Kolto. Bit of along shot, but that's my theory
Thanks for the awesome video! 100% awesome. I also agree with what you think on Manaan in the KOTOR remake, it is such a peaceful planet and a breath of fresh air, I actually find myself feeling the same about Dantooine.
There is something i remember reading or hearing a couple years ago that may have been reasons for kolto to still be active on the market. It is hipoalergic, and can be reused. Bacta has the advantage of being able to be mass produced, and one of the main components (a kind of wheat) is easily produced in fertile worlds. However compared with kolto, there need to be variants with different dillution and extra chemicals for races that might be alergic to the base mixture. Kolto was natural, and altough was weaker than bacta on the later stages of the universe, was still used for both the most sensible races and as a cheaper alternative to bacta (since when the Empire conquered Manaan, the price of kolto tanked and was distributed as a cheap alternative). Also, it is described in books that after someone is released from a kolto tank, their full body is cleaned with vacuums, and the tank's used kolto is placed on a barrel to be filtered and reused. NOW! If i remember the pros and cons are... Bacta: PROS -Can be mass produced cheaply; -The mix had been improved for centuries (milenia?), and is still being spiced up; -Relatively easy to use and simple to package/store. CONS -Need variants for some races; -Leaves a bad taste on the mouth for a while to those who are placed on tanks (similar to rotten cereals, or stale bread/beer); -can't be recycled. Kolto: PROS -Can be reused after filtered; -Better for some races; CONS -Can only be produced in Manaan, and is nearly impossible to synthesize; -Lost quality with time (I do believe was the result of overproduction. Seems it started to improve slightly just before the clone wars); Another curiosity. If i remember correctly, bacta is described to be kind of gelatinous, whereas kolto is described to be oily. Kolto could be vaporized to cover a bigger area and give a slow but effective treatment for smaller wounds.
Fun Fact, if you play the manaan flashpoint in swtor there is a holoterminal that shows the molecular structure of kolto, it's located near the start of the flashpoint where the first group of mobs are. And apparently that same one is the molecular structure of caffeine.
I have a stronghold on Manaan on SWTOR. Had it there for a long time until i moved it back to Tatooine. Now I kinda regret moving it from Manaan due to Manaan being a smaller stronghold than Tatooine. Manaan feels quite majestic but the fraska sharks often terrified me. To be honest, the ocean terrifies me more than any biome on land. Something about it's abyss sends shivers down my spine....I think it maybe the fact that i cant see what's below me and that the ocean feels very alien to me. Or it could be the Jaws movies LOL.
In a present Star Wars setting, I can really only see Kolto being preferred if, say, a character had an allergic reaction to Bacta and so needed an alternative.
There appear to be some otherwise familiar looking video thumbnails that suddenly appear to look... different all of a sudden (but at least the content in the videos is still the same). Not sure why.
@@Kolonol1 It was said by Chris Avellone that Darth Vader could defeat Darth Nihilus, but that doesn’t matter cause Revan (which ever version) would wreck them both, his 2 cent’s or something.
@@75JUNAKI I disagree there there's only one person that can defeat Nihilus...and that's the exile...most people don't get that when you fight him in Kotor2 he is extremely weekend. The exile is the only one who had the capability to weaken him like that because she was a wound in the force. He would have simply consumed Vader and Revan and been done lol
@@Kolonol1 While I agree with you and made a comment on a video interview, still Chris is the writer of K.O.T.O.R.2 and he know’s his character’s cause he created them and so I feel logically he know’s their place in power and were they stack up against other character’s. So unfortanutely (misspelling) I have to acknowledge that Darth Nihilus can be beaten by Force User’s and even then Darth Vader and Darth Revan are pretty powerful in their own right.
This actually has a real world comparison a type of bat that created guano used to be the worlds best fertilizer , but the source was so valuable that people kept invading these bat's home into extinction only after the extinction are we now using a second best mineral phosphates . Thus I conclude Kolto was the better , was driven into extinction by high demand , bacta is like the second best but used more often due to abundance.
That whole SWTOR portion sounds like a bunch of writers going back and forth, and doesn’t really make sense. Kolto was on a steep decline, but now it’s important again for the purpose of a new Sith-Republic war, so they’re able to use it for neutrality again, but actually they can’t because kolto isn’t as important anymore, so all their cities get destroyed, but nevermind here’s a new one, also kolto is important again and can be used for neutrality, but not, because they’re supporting the Republic, somehow, and the devastated Selkath species is fine now. Just a whole lot of not much happening, huh. Also, what was with the bizarrely humanoid Selkath in some parts? Human hybrids?
The reason Kolto was used more is like you said. It was cheaper then bacta. That and people will only buy things they know and trust. So since Bacta being new or not used as much meant people stuck with Kolto.
I know this is from an old video, but I need confirmation about something. When you shared a video with Eckhartsladder about The Star of Coruscant Super-Dreadnought, you mentioned the name: Laren Omas. That got my Legends nerd self perked up, because Omas is the same surname as Cal Omas from The New Jedi Order Series, The Swarm War, and Legacy of The Force. Is the guy that created that Super-Dreadnought in The Old Republic-Era an ancestor of that Chief Of State of The GFFA from 28 ABY, to 40 ABY? Much like Cassus Fett is an ancestor of Jango, and Boba Fett, or Admiral Dodonna in KOTOR 1, to Jan Dodonna in The Rebel Alliance?
Oh wow, that's quite the obscure question haha. I mean, I can't say no for sure? But I would assume it's just a minor connection or like a 'paying respects' to older characters kinda thing. Although it could just be complete coincidence!
Bacta was in the pc/console game Star Wars: Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast (release 03/06/02) as the portable health canister used to heal on command. the game Kotor didnt come out until a year + later. if anything Bacta was replaced by kolto, so you seem to have it backwards; as Kolto is still active as the defacto healing ability in the current SWTOR mmo.
I have a suggestion for video based on your thumbnail. You could do one about the selkath characters from the 2008 Clone Wars show. This species first appeared in Kotor games and first appeared in canon in Clone Wars 2008 show.
For some reason I never even noticed two different liquids were used. Whenever I play KOTOR I guess kolto was automatically translated to bacta in my mind.
It's because Revan chose the Dark Side option and destroyed the Kolto supply and the galaxy had to switch to Bacta. Yet another thing to thank Lord Revan for! :p
In the High Republic, Manaan and the Selkath are theorized as having been responsible for the disaster on Hetzal as revenge for putting them out of business by farming bacta.
I think if the healing properties of Koltor could be restored I'd prefer it but Bacta is the ultimate standard by which healing liquids are measured by
For Bacta; It depends on its purity. At around 75-80% purity a person can recover from a blaster wound in roughly 6 hours. Corran Horn in Legends had a broken back, shattered collar bone, blaster bolt to the gut and a broken knee and was out the bacta tank in about 8-10 hours with 90% purity bacta. With standard bacta he would have been in for roughly 3-4 days possibly longer. I don't know much about kolto.
All I know about the two is based on what game I was in first. I cut my teeth in SWG and there it was ALL Bacta and I never even heard of Kolto till I played KOTOR Many many years later.
Used to love duplicating weapons,armor and lightsaber crystals on manaan,the fastest way to obtaining the best buyable items(and duplicating rare findable items)in the game.
wait theres an item dupe on Manaan? I would always just hunt desert wraids and sell the skulls to the guy on Yavin after beating him at Pazaak a ton... like 60 credits per kill I think?
in kotor kolto medipacs looked like a simple injectable, give yourself a shot and it fixes you right there. Bacta needed tanks and took time. maybe it could fix more problems, but i would think that as long as kolto was available someone would use it, esp considering bacta was always a limited supply
Wasn't there a line in Kotor about kolto being the best healing agent in the galaxy? I feel like I remember that, though it was just a one off line if it was even said
@@FormerGovernmentHuman pretty sure it was in KoToR 2, but keep in mind that Bacta wasn't a thing yet, or if it was then it was only in the early stages of development
Technically is not wrong. There are other miracle healing agents in the galaxy, and by then bacta already existed (it was created at around 4100 BBY). But bacta was still on the experimental phase on non-vratix around that time, and still exclusive to Thyferra. As the composition was still being tweaked, there was still possible risks and theories around other races using it, and there was no established way to pack and transport "beta-version" bacta, its price was astronomical (think the market value for a single dose was on the thousand credits). By the time, the only wide spreaded, affordable, and effective agent was kolto. And, of course, a selkath would promote the only major export Manaan has.
Hey im a huge fan of your channel and kotor, I know this doesn't have to do with the video but could you maybe do a quick short or demonstration of revans lightsaber? Practically it seems entirely unfit for combat and seems to only fit a metaphorical aesthetic build, there's no comfortable way to hold it and I've tried recreating all of his moves with it only to cramp up after each one 😅
I hate Manaan in Kotor...especially on dark side playthroughs....did you know there are so many ways to be executed and fined that you can do? I think there are 5 ways to be executed? Maybe more...lol....why as a dark sider would I give up and go with the authorities? No I'd kill them all lol...especially if I know I'm Revan at this point...I would remove the judge panel....well part of the judge panel....the part right above their shoulders... Manaan was infuriating...and then the people there want to gargle at you all the time instead of having a conversation lol
Because of my fear of oceans I was more comfortable roaming the dryer planets. Also Bacta for me because it's cheaper so I'd probably be able to afford it.
I always thought that Bacta itself was made up of Kolto. I thought it was an amalgamation of several different substances found throughout the galaxy which each have incredible healing properties, but when combined creates a gel-like super healing fluid called Bacta. I didn’t think that Kolto was it’s own thing wholly separate to Bacta and that when [Spoilers] When Revan kills the Selkath’s sacred Kolto rift guardian and destabilized the Kolto rift and in turn effectively destroyed all Kolto production it caused the substance to become exceedingly rare and effectively phased out overnight. Which in turn ruined the Selkath’s powerful geopolitical position that allowed them to remain neutral and isolationist in an increasingly violent galaxy. Thus forever dooming them to irrelevancy. By the time of the Clone Wars, they were basically unheard of. A backwater world with an isolationist and xenophobic society who wanted little to do with the outside galaxy. In Star Wars, being xenophobic only leads irrelevancy and stagnation.
Ayo- to anyone reading this and thinking about getting the KOTOR2 port that just came out on the switch: don't buy it yet. There's a very, very game breaking bug that makes the game essentially unfinishable (kind of. it's doable but you need to use the cheat menu). I'd wait a few weeks until they fix it. Also, the company that ported it is apparently not very good at delivering on their promises to fix the bugs they said they'd fix, so it very well might never be fixed. That said, KOTOR2 has been an incomplete buggy mess since it came out originally, and Obsidian never fixed it either. So I guess it's technically an authentic experience lol. I bought it without knowing and I'd still def recommend buying it if you don't mind buggy games, it's an awesome [yet unfinished] game any way you slice it :) Edit: also, I really love that you took the time to edit in a correction when you said "unreplaceable" instead of "unreplicable" or "irreplaceable". If you hadn't pointed it out, I'd bet less than a tenth of a percent of people would have even realized that what you said wasn't actually a word. That's quite respectable 😂
I’d probably have to go with kolto over bacta. Although they are both great, bacta could be manufactured while kolto is 100% natural. In my head cannon, bacta is very similar to modern products with loads of chemicals. If I was on a budget, I would use bacta, but I would prefer kolto.
When I played this game as a kid I thought Kolto WAS Bacta. Isn't there part of/a questline to synthesize it? Which I assumed back then it naturally was how Bacta came to be. Always figured that the point of Manaan was to show the origin point of Bacta? Thought it was cool, but I assume that was the point and it's been changed?
I think the quest to synthesize kolto is really a well-made fetch quest if I remember right. We don't actually see them successfully synthesize it, they just take the thing(s) we retrieved, thank us for our time, and give us items in return for helping them.
Manaan (or however you spell it) I always thought was incredibly annoying. Simple reasons being that the layout of the place felt like it took way too long to go anywhere, the Sith/Republic sides looked identical so you never knew where you were, and I reeeeeeeealy got tired of reading dialog while hearing the exact same single sound byte for Manaans spoken language.
Well head cannon says Kolto was only available in the one spot, the Rift that was occupied by the Giant Firaxan. So it must be excrement from the big shark.... and once everyone realizes this they dont want to bathe in magic healing poo.. no matter how bad they were injured.
I always wondered why the Sith in KOTOR dealt with Manaan the way they did. They demonstrated several times that they didn't care about the lives of anyone, including their own troops. So why wouldn't they just raze Manaan and deny the Republic access to kolto?
I guess it just wasn’t worth losing it themselves or they couldn’t afford to. I think if the war continued on has it had been and Revan never intervened they would have simply been able to buy it for a ton more money and the Republic wouldn’t be able to afford it or compete.
Bacta tank even I find Kolto more interesting. Know I get Bacta became the better healing agent, but hell they could have started marketing it as a cheap alternative, Bacta to expensive for you go buy Kolto. It won't heal you as fast but it still gets the job done. Or hell make a hybrid drug imagine a superdrug that has both Kolto and Bacta in it it be twice as good as either of them.
Is there any material about that though? To my knowledge, after Canderous the blandalorians scattered again, to the point of being chummy gladiators in the arenas on Geonosis until the Sith Empire went full Steve Bannon and got a Trumpalore electes
@@moscanaveia ...The fuck are you babbling about? Either way OP it's in one of the companions of the Bounty Hunter that explains Ordo's plan falling apart. But really it's just Drew K being a little bitch and retconning every part of KotOR2 that he could. Because he's an envious cunt.
So guys... a Bacta Bath or a Kolto Bath? Which are you choosing? Quite possibly the most important question you'll ever answer!
A Kolto Bath in the ocean with my Twilek mamacitas and fishes
Bacta. Whoever made them last longer over the years... deserves a medal.
Well as long as I'm not on a rock with a crazy assassin droid I'll take whichever ;)
I’d rather the latest in medical tech: Bacta Bath
Bacta. Kolto was great, but time and time Bacta has been a helluva drug. lol
Well, my Revan corrupted the Kolto, making it unusable, and ensuring that millions on both sides who might have otherwise survived would die, so I guess it's a bacta bath for me.
I hate the selkath.
I destroy the kolto on light and darkside playthrough’s.
I would commit genocide if it was an option.
My Revan didn't
My guess is that Kolto was somehow powered by The Force; a healing microbe, perhaps, and when so much of it was used for greed, that perhaps soured the force in the area, nearly killing off the microbe and greatly reducing their healing powers.
Wow, you ARE a devil! I really wish I had a Men In Black Memory Eraser Thingy for whenever somebody reminds me that The Force is actually a microscopic organism. So, so, so dumb.
(But given the stupid premise that SW presents, that's a pretty good theory you got there! And no, I don't have a better idea for what The Force is, but I don't need one. They shouldn't have ever explained it at all!)
that is a plausible theory, the Selkath's greed in exploiting their Kolto reserves for economic gain could have caused some disruption in the bit of The Force that made Kolto's healing properties possible, diminishing the quantity and quality of Kolto
I like this theory but I feel like it's a bit more simple than that. Kolto seems to behave like our own fossil fuels do and as such they could of simply used up their reserves and started to run out and Kolto itself seems to definitely have something to do with midichlorians. Odds are the planet just happened to have a large amount of midichlorians and sadly they started to diminish as the Kolto itself was being extracted. Then there could of been the souring with the sith potentially playing a part.
I think they got greedy and over mined it faster than it could replenish itself.
According to rumours ingame kolto may have been created by an ancient shark/piranha-like "fish" on the bottom of Manaan's oceans that during the era of the Infinite empire was dry land (As the starmap is found at the bottom near the Rakert rift.
But it could at the same time have been Force related as well. Possibly a callback to the worms of Arrakis and the spice.
I am also excited to see Manaan in the remake. Sea planets and water environments were always my favorites as they were super unique and Manaan had this certain quality to it that the other planets didn't quite have.
It really was a really cool planet. And it totally had an appeal that no where else did.
@@pineapplepapercrafts I think it reminds me of The Abyss by James Cameron which I was very mesmerized by as a kid.
Lets just hope they speed up the dang environment suit lol
@@kittikat4124 lmao good point they never changed that even in 2 XD
maybe if were lucky we can get actually cool stuff out in space and underwater.
I know that in SWTOR you can go to Manaan. I don't know just how much of the planet is explorable though. Looking forward to the remake myself for the man reason
I’d probably go with Bacta. From my recollection, the Bacta tank was the only time Darth Vader could somewhat escape most of his physical pain. Considering how much he endured, I think I’d pick Bacta as my primary choice. :)
I don't know. If my min-maxxed healer operative popped just one kolto probe on Vader, he'd look like he did at the very beginning of EP2
Interestingly The Bounty Hunter Code has one of its narrators say that Kolto is better for burns.
Bacta was the only thing that was used during the republic/empire, because the sith fleet destroyed the source of kolto which prompted the use of bacta.
That's because Palpatine kept him from doing any Kolto baths which would have regrown his limbs
Teeh heeh hehhh
Technically Kolto does the same thing, Bacta just was stronger. Kolto would get the job down and numb the pain. It just was a little weaker it'd take longer to heal you.
Short answer is kolto only occurs on manaan and bacta is easily mass produced nearly anywhere
The Selkath are also very picky about who they give it to
@@xjadit7826 not really, they sold it to every side in every major conflict during the time they have a large supply. They only tried to pick and choose when the kolto supply slowed down
@@peadrianlastname they were though yeah they sold it to everyone but you had to jump through hoops for that to happen and entire organisations wether they be states like the republic and the empire or company’s could be kicked off the planet and not allowed to access the stuff anymore based on the actions of one person
@@xjadit7826I bet you cant name one time the selkath actually refused sale of kolto to a specific person/group before the kolto production slowed. They did have tight guidelines for behavior on their world, but i cant remember a single time cutting off access to kolto was more than a scare tactic to get the much more powerful armies of the sith and republic to behave on manaan
No it isn’t, it is a big plot point in some of the books that it can only be grown legally on one planet and even without that trying to grow it elsewhere is extremely difficult
If there's anything I've learned from Republic Commando it's "Never say no to Bacta!"
So Bacta bath for me it is.
Like I said to your KOTOR remake question, I too am really looking forward to Manaan, water areas and environments in games are places I always find to be my favorite, especially with great graphics.
Too bad the Selkath never realised the insane market of selling Twi'lek Kolto bath water.
The credits they could've made..
Huh how you get that UA-cam comment art?
Thank you sir!
@@slitherthewizardofwither6959It's a channel member thing.
You get a handful of different small sized icons you can add to your comments
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Yes indeed, let's hope they do.
@@GentlemanJacque is it only within this UA-cam channel comments or comments for any video
It depends - many people in SW are actually allergic to Bacta, so for them Kolto would probably be worth the extra expense if it is more expensive. Still, I'd take and store both if I could :)
Like Tylenol and advil.
Same I'd have a Kolto tank for minor injuries. A bacta tank for major injuries
This part of the game taught me the importance of not having a critical resources coming in their majority from just 1 source. And some people still think games don't teach us practical stuff that is applicable in real life.
(heh)
This is extremely applicable in real life. Just look a Venezuela. They had put all their eggs into one basket (their oil reserves) and when the cost of oil dropped in the 1980's, it nearly bankrupted the whole country.
Much like the Selkath centering their entire planet's economy around Kolto. So when Kolto was out competed by Bacta, the demand for Kolto dropped and collapsed their entire planet's economy.
this is, BY FAR, the smallest yet more INTERESTING detail ive seen of star wars in a long time. I do RP and fanfiction and this shit will stay on my favorites for a LONG time
LOVED IT
Haha, glad you enjoyed it!
Whatever the reason, I’m glad it did. Music aside, the only reason I’d ever go back to Manaan is to test the Death Star super laser.
The ocean is also nice to look at too.
I agree lol....I hated Manaan...if I'm a dark side player I really don't understand why I would go with their "police" forces willingly and would allow myself to be executed...I wish I had the option to, after I get the star map, go on a killing rampage...
@@Kolonol1 Hey, I wanted to do that as a light side player, I hated them that much! o.O
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That is why i always choose to poison the big fish and ruin their economy.
@@simonmagid4205 hahahaha agreed!!!
I like Manaan as a planet, but the Selkath are one of my least favorite species from the Old Republic. Any little legal infraction and they were totally down to execute you. Honestly still happy that the murder side quest can be done lightside, but still “prove” the guy innocent, mostly due to lack of hard evidence and the sith being completely incompetent in the courtroom lol
The poor quality of kotor's dialogue really makes the court room scene a pain to slog through, doesn't it?
I liked Manaan and the quests there in KOTOR, but I really HATED the "voice-over" of the Selkath. That sound was really grating on my ears.
@@Kelnx Well, not every voice is beautiful. I kinda like it that it's bad
@@Bearical My problem was a 2-3 word sentence that takes a normal English reader about 0.2 seconds to read would play 50 seconds of alien language. Luckily you can skip through dialogue.
@@FormerGovernmentHuman Yes, but not every player is a native English speaker. Beyond that, the game was made with the intention for children to play. Some kids can't read that fast. So it's always better for the dialogue to go on for a touch too long so the player has ample time to read it and then skip when they've finished.
Out of all the possible races, I wish most that Swtor made the Selkath playable. Manaan is also one of my top 5 planets.
I am afraid of open water and Manaan always terrified me on some level, especially as a kid lol the story on that planet is great though. 2nd favorite only to Korriban
I mean you get a daily area on Manaan with the next Patch
How could Revan be a selkath. It just wouldn't make sense as with the flashbacks.
@@LinV24 They meant playable in SWTOR, not KOTOR
I hate selkath
Playing that 'Empire at War' Footage made me smile. Thank you
Absolutely loved this planet in kotor. From the music, the city, the endless sea to the selkath speech and great quest. This was one of my highlights of the game for sure.
Cheap, easier to replicate and make, and not vulnerable to possible tampering from a singular source.
Just like the telegram over the Pony Express, if I say so myself.
You should do a video about how the exile weakened Nihilus before the fight because of him attempting to consume her. I think a lot of people miss the fact that he was super weak when you fight him because he essentially destroyed a part of himself or something in doing that and the exile was the only one capable of defeating him because of this. Since she was a wound herself
@Patrick Dolan it elaborated on it and if you have finished a game you saw the elaboration. But the problem is most people seem to ignore it. Visas Marr and Kreia explain it several times over.
This is something I have always thought. Especially watching book of Boba Fett.
the ultimate Nerd Question: could Kolto helped Ton Phanan from the X-Wing Books, whom had an Bacta allergie?
That's a good question that I never thought of
Maybe. Either way, he's still, you know...
If it had been something that had been written into existence at the time. Also it depends on the type of injury. The Bounty Hunter Code says it's more useful for burns but less for other things. That could just be superstition or anecdotal experience on the part of the in universe author though.
@@michaelandreipalon359 But would he have given up on himself if he wasn't trapped as a cyborg? And he and Face would have been carrying Kolto doses for him on board their fighters/ejection seats.
Good point.
Seen as there was one of the ancient Star Maps close to were the Kolto was harvested on the Hrakert Rift station, I'm wandering if that had something to do with the Kolto (and the Giant Firaxan shark) being there. I'm wandering if The star forge being destroyed had a knock on effect. Seen as Rakatan technology was powered by the force maybe it was the force that powered kolto, (I saw another comment with this theory) and after the star forge was destroyed it stopped powering the Star Map and possibly any other Rakatan/Force technology that was also producing Kolto. Bit of along shot, but that's my theory
Those who say gaming can't be therapeutic have never spent time on Manaan in KOTOR.
Man, even getting to go back there for a little bit in SWTOR and hearing the original soundtrack being used is therapeutic.
Thanks for the awesome video! 100% awesome. I also agree with what you think on Manaan in the KOTOR remake, it is such a peaceful planet and a breath of fresh air, I actually find myself feeling the same about Dantooine.
Oooh!! REALLY wanted to know this question. For YEARS!
Thanks buddy!
There is something i remember reading or hearing a couple years ago that may have been reasons for kolto to still be active on the market.
It is hipoalergic, and can be reused.
Bacta has the advantage of being able to be mass produced, and one of the main components (a kind of wheat) is easily produced in fertile worlds. However compared with kolto, there need to be variants with different dillution and extra chemicals for races that might be alergic to the base mixture.
Kolto was natural, and altough was weaker than bacta on the later stages of the universe, was still used for both the most sensible races and as a cheaper alternative to bacta (since when the Empire conquered Manaan, the price of kolto tanked and was distributed as a cheap alternative). Also, it is described in books that after someone is released from a kolto tank, their full body is cleaned with vacuums, and the tank's used kolto is placed on a barrel to be filtered and reused.
NOW! If i remember the pros and cons are...
Bacta:
PROS
-Can be mass produced cheaply;
-The mix had been improved for centuries (milenia?), and is still being spiced up;
-Relatively easy to use and simple to package/store.
CONS
-Need variants for some races;
-Leaves a bad taste on the mouth for a while to those who are placed on tanks (similar to rotten cereals, or stale bread/beer);
-can't be recycled.
Kolto:
PROS
-Can be reused after filtered;
-Better for some races;
CONS
-Can only be produced in Manaan, and is nearly impossible to synthesize;
-Lost quality with time (I do believe was the result of overproduction. Seems it started to improve slightly just before the clone wars);
Another curiosity. If i remember correctly, bacta is described to be kind of gelatinous, whereas kolto is described to be oily. Kolto could be vaporized to cover a bigger area and give a slow but effective treatment for smaller wounds.
Since Kolto can only be found on Manaan and it was declining then it makes sense that Bacta was the best healing source
Fun Fact, if you play the manaan flashpoint in swtor there is a holoterminal that shows the molecular structure of kolto, it's located near the start of the flashpoint where the first group of mobs are. And apparently that same one is the molecular structure of caffeine.
I have a stronghold on Manaan on SWTOR. Had it there for a long time until i moved it back to Tatooine. Now I kinda regret moving it from Manaan due to Manaan being a smaller stronghold than Tatooine. Manaan feels quite majestic but the fraska sharks often terrified me. To be honest, the ocean terrifies me more than any biome on land. Something about it's abyss sends shivers down my spine....I think it maybe the fact that i cant see what's below me and that the ocean feels very alien to me. Or it could be the Jaws movies LOL.
No, the ocean is scary. Forget about not seeing below you... You go deep enough you can't see left, right... above you.
In a present Star Wars setting, I can really only see Kolto being preferred if, say, a character had an allergic reaction to Bacta and so needed an alternative.
Very good video. I'll go with Kolto since it's organic and from the old age
A really great video on an interesting subject! Far more thourough, well argued and concrete than your review videos. Good job!
(On an unconnected sidenote, is it me, or are a lot of UA-cam video thumbnails a bit wonky and mostly out of context lately?)
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What do you mean?
There appear to be some otherwise familiar looking video thumbnails that suddenly appear to look... different all of a sudden (but at least the content in the videos is still the same). Not sure why.
Darth Vader: Bacta is better.
Meetra: Kolto is better.
Meetra is a little more powerful honestly lol
@@Kolonol1
It was said by Chris Avellone that Darth Vader could defeat Darth Nihilus, but that doesn’t matter cause Revan (which ever version) would wreck them both, his 2 cent’s or something.
@@75JUNAKI I disagree there there's only one person that can defeat Nihilus...and that's the exile...most people don't get that when you fight him in Kotor2 he is extremely weekend. The exile is the only one who had the capability to weaken him like that because she was a wound in the force. He would have simply consumed Vader and Revan and been done lol
@@Kolonol1
While I agree with you and made a comment on a video interview, still Chris is the writer of K.O.T.O.R.2 and he know’s his character’s cause he created them and so I feel logically he know’s their place in power and were they stack up against other character’s.
So unfortanutely (misspelling) I have to acknowledge that Darth Nihilus can be beaten by Force User’s and even then Darth Vader and Darth Revan are pretty powerful in their own right.
This actually has a real world comparison a type of bat that created guano used to be the worlds best fertilizer , but the source was so valuable that people kept invading these bat's home into extinction only after the extinction are we now using a second best mineral phosphates . Thus I conclude Kolto was the better , was driven into extinction by high demand , bacta is like the second best but used more often due to abundance.
That whole SWTOR portion sounds like a bunch of writers going back and forth, and doesn’t really make sense.
Kolto was on a steep decline, but now it’s important again for the purpose of a new Sith-Republic war, so they’re able to use it for neutrality again, but actually they can’t because kolto isn’t as important anymore, so all their cities get destroyed, but nevermind here’s a new one, also kolto is important again and can be used for neutrality, but not, because they’re supporting the Republic, somehow, and the devastated Selkath species is fine now.
Just a whole lot of not much happening, huh. Also, what was with the bizarrely humanoid Selkath in some parts? Human hybrids?
The reason Kolto was used more is like you said. It was cheaper then bacta. That and people will only buy things they know and trust. So since Bacta being new or not used as much meant people stuck with Kolto.
I'm excited to see you with koriban and dantooine is going to look like in the kotar remake that's going to be cool
i always wondered this. thanks for the vid
I know this is from an old video, but I need confirmation about something. When you shared a video with Eckhartsladder about The Star of Coruscant Super-Dreadnought, you mentioned the name: Laren Omas. That got my Legends nerd self perked up, because Omas is the same surname as Cal Omas from The New Jedi Order Series, The Swarm War, and Legacy of The Force. Is the guy that created that Super-Dreadnought in The Old Republic-Era an ancestor of that Chief Of State of The GFFA from 28 ABY, to 40 ABY? Much like Cassus Fett is an ancestor of Jango, and Boba Fett, or Admiral Dodonna in KOTOR 1, to Jan Dodonna in The Rebel Alliance?
Oh wow, that's quite the obscure question haha. I mean, I can't say no for sure? But I would assume it's just a minor connection or like a 'paying respects' to older characters kinda thing. Although it could just be complete coincidence!
Bacta was in the pc/console game Star Wars: Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast (release 03/06/02) as the portable health canister used to heal on command.
the game Kotor didnt come out until a year + later.
if anything Bacta was replaced by kolto, so you seem to have it backwards; as Kolto is still active as the defacto healing ability in the current SWTOR mmo.
I have a suggestion for video based on your thumbnail. You could do one about
the selkath characters from the
2008 Clone Wars show. This species first appeared in Kotor games and first appeared in canon in Clone Wars 2008 show.
Manaan is basically the perfect opposite of Arrakis
Monopolies are good business ( Honda voice)
Until the monoply man went to jail for tax evasion. Then cornered in the laundry room he fought his hardest but eventually failed.
Amazing video.
For some reason I never even noticed two different liquids were used. Whenever I play KOTOR I guess kolto was automatically translated to bacta in my mind.
Great video. Something I’ve always thought about
I think the Selkath have my favorite sounding language in KotOR
It's because Revan chose the Dark Side option and destroyed the Kolto supply and the galaxy had to switch to Bacta. Yet another thing to thank Lord Revan for! :p
Manaan is the first "water temple" level in a videogame I actually wanted to revisit
In the High Republic, Manaan and the Selkath are theorized as having been responsible for the disaster on Hetzal as revenge for putting them out of business by farming bacta.
I loved all the worlds in the Kotor series, except for telos, but even then telos still had some good moments. Manaan has to be a favorite of mine.
Pretty that Bactta was still in the experimental stages during this time which it was less wide spread
I was literally playing KOTOR on Manaan last night
KOLTO FOR YOUR CUTS🌊
I think if the healing properties of Koltor could be restored I'd prefer it but Bacta is the ultimate standard by which healing liquids are measured by
The question i have is how long does it take to heal from these and to what damage extent?
For Bacta; It depends on its purity. At around 75-80% purity a person can recover from a blaster wound in roughly 6 hours. Corran Horn in Legends had a broken back, shattered collar bone, blaster bolt to the gut and a broken knee and was out the bacta tank in about 8-10 hours with 90% purity bacta. With standard bacta he would have been in for roughly 3-4 days possibly longer.
I don't know much about kolto.
@@spooniestcomb9152 nice
this got recommended to me right after i got to manaan in kotor that's creepy
Google are listening, Zack.
All I know about the two is based on what game I was in first. I cut my teeth in SWG and there it was ALL Bacta and I never even heard of Kolto till I played KOTOR Many many years later.
It's marketing but it's beautiful to hear you dance around that
Used to love duplicating weapons,armor and lightsaber crystals on manaan,the fastest way to obtaining the best buyable items(and duplicating rare findable items)in the game.
wait theres an item dupe on Manaan? I would always just hunt desert wraids and sell the skulls to the guy on Yavin after beating him at Pazaak a ton... like 60 credits per kill I think?
Kolto, but my first Star Wars game I ever played was KOTOR so I might be biased
I’ve played KOTOR for years and always wondered that
I wouldn't mind dipping my toes in a bacta spaaaa.
loooove ur videos :))
Considering my luck, I'd be just as allergic to either as I am to Penicillin.
in kotor kolto medipacs looked like a simple injectable, give yourself a shot and it fixes you right there. Bacta needed tanks and took time. maybe it could fix more problems, but i would think that as long as kolto was available someone would use it, esp considering bacta was always a limited supply
I remember that I saw syntetic Colto in the game. What happen to that stuff?
Because it came out after a 40 year old movie! crazy fr fr
Wasn't there a line in Kotor about kolto being the best healing agent in the galaxy? I feel like I remember that, though it was just a one off line if it was even said
Someone said it
@@FormerGovernmentHuman pretty sure it was in KoToR 2, but keep in mind that Bacta wasn't a thing yet, or if it was then it was only in the early stages of development
Its was before Bacta was popular it was when they were still in its baby stages. There was not else to compete with it at the time.
Technically is not wrong.
There are other miracle healing agents in the galaxy, and by then bacta already existed (it was created at around 4100 BBY). But bacta was still on the experimental phase on non-vratix around that time, and still exclusive to Thyferra. As the composition was still being tweaked, there was still possible risks and theories around other races using it, and there was no established way to pack and transport "beta-version" bacta, its price was astronomical (think the market value for a single dose was on the thousand credits).
By the time, the only wide spreaded, affordable, and effective agent was kolto. And, of course, a selkath would promote the only major export Manaan has.
During the Krytos virus epidemic, was Kolto ever considered as a mechanism to back up the dwindling bacta supplies?
Would you say they had a... manaanpoly?
LOL
I believe Bacta was found to be more potant/effective hence the replacement
So what did the galaxy use before kolto and bacta?
Hey im a huge fan of your channel and kotor, I know this doesn't have to do with the video but could you maybe do a quick short or demonstration of revans lightsaber? Practically it seems entirely unfit for combat and seems to only fit a metaphorical aesthetic build, there's no comfortable way to hold it and I've tried recreating all of his moves with it only to cramp up after each one 😅
There's a reason his second saber is extremely plain ;)
@@100StarWars fair point 😂😂
I hate Manaan in Kotor...especially on dark side playthroughs....did you know there are so many ways to be executed and fined that you can do? I think there are 5 ways to be executed? Maybe more...lol....why as a dark sider would I give up and go with the authorities? No I'd kill them all lol...especially if I know I'm Revan at this point...I would remove the judge panel....well part of the judge panel....the part right above their shoulders...
Manaan was infuriating...and then the people there want to gargle at you all the time instead of having a conversation lol
Because of my fear of oceans I was more comfortable roaming the dryer planets. Also Bacta for me because it's cheaper so I'd probably be able to afford it.
The exile killed the fish on mannan to open the starmap which the Jedi had sent meetra and basilica on a secret mission to find all 4 starmaps❤❤❤
Love the selkath just hate the sound of their language it sounds like their waterboarding someone with phlegm whenever they talk
So long as this remake doesn't end up with a bug that prevents you from finishing the game, like in the KOTOR 2 remake.
I always thought that Bacta itself was made up of Kolto. I thought it was an amalgamation of several different substances found throughout the galaxy which each have incredible healing properties, but when combined creates a gel-like super healing fluid called Bacta. I didn’t think that Kolto was it’s own thing wholly separate to Bacta and that when [Spoilers]
When Revan kills the Selkath’s sacred Kolto rift guardian and destabilized the Kolto rift and in turn effectively destroyed all Kolto production it caused the substance to become exceedingly rare and effectively phased out overnight. Which in turn ruined the Selkath’s powerful geopolitical position that allowed them to remain neutral and isolationist in an increasingly violent galaxy. Thus forever dooming them to irrelevancy. By the time of the Clone Wars, they were basically unheard of. A backwater world with an isolationist and xenophobic society who wanted little to do with the outside galaxy. In Star Wars, being xenophobic only leads irrelevancy and stagnation.
Ayo- to anyone reading this and thinking about getting the KOTOR2 port that just came out on the switch: don't buy it yet. There's a very, very game breaking bug that makes the game essentially unfinishable (kind of. it's doable but you need to use the cheat menu). I'd wait a few weeks until they fix it. Also, the company that ported it is apparently not very good at delivering on their promises to fix the bugs they said they'd fix, so it very well might never be fixed.
That said, KOTOR2 has been an incomplete buggy mess since it came out originally, and Obsidian never fixed it either. So I guess it's technically an authentic experience lol. I bought it without knowing and I'd still def recommend buying it if you don't mind buggy games, it's an awesome [yet unfinished] game any way you slice it :)
Edit: also, I really love that you took the time to edit in a correction when you said "unreplaceable" instead of "unreplicable" or "irreplaceable". If you hadn't pointed it out, I'd bet less than a tenth of a percent of people would have even realized that what you said wasn't actually a word. That's quite respectable 😂
I suspect that Kolto would be popular with the wealthy elites since it wasn’t as common and likely more expensive.
I like my Manaan SH in SWTOR. Reminds me of Subnautica.
They should have marketed it as "organic" and "free trade"
I’d probably have to go with kolto over bacta. Although they are both great, bacta could be manufactured while kolto is 100% natural. In my head cannon, bacta is very similar to modern products with loads of chemicals. If I was on a budget, I would use bacta, but I would prefer kolto.
Well, ofc Kolto production was linked to that ("true" canon) giant fish thing which got dark sided in KOTOR 1 didn't it?
_"If there is one thing I'm looking forward to in the KOTOR remake..."_
That one didn't age well.
When I played this game as a kid I thought Kolto WAS Bacta.
Isn't there part of/a questline to synthesize it? Which I assumed back then it naturally was how Bacta came to be.
Always figured that the point of Manaan was to show the origin point of Bacta? Thought it was cool, but I assume that was the point and it's been changed?
I think the quest to synthesize kolto is really a well-made fetch quest if I remember right. We don't actually see them successfully synthesize it, they just take the thing(s) we retrieved, thank us for our time, and give us items in return for helping them.
They tried to synthesize it they never figure out how to properly synthesize, they failed in doing that.
Manaan (or however you spell it) I always thought was incredibly annoying. Simple reasons being that the layout of the place felt like it took way too long to go anywhere, the Sith/Republic sides looked identical so you never knew where you were, and I reeeeeeeealy got tired of reading dialog while hearing the exact same single sound byte for Manaans spoken language.
Well head cannon says Kolto was only available in the one spot, the Rift that was occupied by the Giant Firaxan. So it must be excrement from the big shark.... and once everyone realizes this they dont want to bathe in magic healing poo.. no matter how bad they were injured.
Fascinating
like Kamino, another aquatic planet profiteering over the war by playing both sides
Yes that is what caused the first war between the Jedi and the exile and the selkath
Dooku: "And finally, mantu, your people were once a peaceful race. How far they have fallen."
I always wondered why the Sith in KOTOR dealt with Manaan the way they did. They demonstrated several times that they didn't care about the lives of anyone, including their own troops. So why wouldn't they just raze Manaan and deny the Republic access to kolto?
I guess it just wasn’t worth losing it themselves or they couldn’t afford to.
I think if the war continued on has it had been and Revan never intervened they would have simply been able to buy it for a ton more money and the Republic wouldn’t be able to afford it or compete.
Either one, as long as I'm not allergic to it.
Bacta, anytime we see someone in a Kolto tank in Kotor they are usually already dead.
Bacta tank even I find Kolto more interesting. Know I get Bacta became the better healing agent, but hell they could have started marketing it as a cheap alternative, Bacta to expensive for you go buy Kolto. It won't heal you as fast but it still gets the job done.
Or hell make a hybrid drug imagine a superdrug that has both Kolto and Bacta in it it be twice as good as either of them.
Maybe a video on Mandos between kotor2 and swtor?
Is there any material about that though? To my knowledge, after Canderous the blandalorians scattered again, to the point of being chummy gladiators in the arenas on Geonosis until the Sith Empire went full Steve Bannon and got a Trumpalore electes
@@moscanaveia ...The fuck are you babbling about? Either way OP it's in one of the companions of the Bounty Hunter that explains Ordo's plan falling apart. But really it's just Drew K being a little bitch and retconning every part of KotOR2 that he could. Because he's an envious cunt.
Kolto all the way! Just because KotOR truly ignited my love for SW.
The patent ran out on Kolto, so the money dried up. They had to tweak it into Bacta so they could make money on it again! Duh!