Overall the Amraam is the best fox 3 missile in the game, despite the maneuverability nerf it’s still the best fox-3 for the majority of scenarios. The 9M is there for the close shots
Your logic that it being able to turn less so it has more range is flawed, your assuming that the missile is always trying to turn as hard as possible in that case the less aoa one would lose less energy but they don’t, all the change did was make the amraam less maneuverable when it needs it
In rear-aspect shots under 2km, when dog fighting; the 120s are a complete brick now. Off the rails and close distance, about 1/3 of their maneuverability. In BVR, however, they still perform quite well. But folks are going to need, or should, bring a couple 9Ms CQC.
When under 10 km, the 120s got a massive nerf. Their maneuverability is about 1/3 of what it was in up close; you know, like rear-aspect shots under 2-3 km.
For a bit i used aim-120 as a aim-9 if you view it as a buff or nerf depends on your playstyle. fly high shoot low players will love this im sure. it doesnt make sens when people completely disregarding others and thier opinion just because it does not align with your own. also are these changes just for RB? thank you for the update
It sucks because yeah, you might provide slightly less reaction time because it's faster, but that doesn't help if just turning 180° and dumping some chaff is all it takes to dump a missile at long range. And at close range the 120 is garbage so it's pretty much one of the most easily evadeable fox 3 in the game because of this
@SalSal-om1en I think all missiles are in need of a terminal energy buff because as of right now the only time you'll get a kill with anything is by going inside putbull range anyways which nullifies the OP-120 comletely and makes things like mica em, r77, etc. the best missiles in the game. Watching the missiles track long range shots through the radar is abysmally comical, and now that the amraam has the off boresight dogfighting capability of an aim 9b it's basically worthless outside of missile trucking now. And I say this after having played them since the changes
Does anyone know if something happened to mats discord? It randomly dissapeared off my server list and I cant find it in the description of any of his videos anymore.
I liked the old one better. now it just bricks when it is launched for the first 5 seconds. I don't really go for snipes anymore cuz ppl have mostly learned how to crank/chaff
@@razvy6949 they change it thrust power From one phase become two phase thrusts. Also buff it thrust power make it fly further. (But actually AIM120 still usually better )
@@rav3727 How so? R-27ER was miles better than Sparrows last update. R-73 is harder to flare and even impossible as close ranges while being more manevourable than the 9M's. Russia has the best SPAA, bets Heli and very competent CAS with 40km ranged ATGM's, while USA doesn't even have a top tier SPAA, it's a Tank Destroyer that cost 2-3 times more SP to spawn while barely being better than the 10.7 BR Tunguska. USA only has the F-16 as CAS which they fixed it only recently, before that Mavericks were useless. And now they nerfed AMRAAMS and increased SP cost in GRB, so spawning CAP with AMRAAMS cost more SP than spawning Su-25SM3 with 40km ATGM's or Ka-52 with full CAS loadout. You really need to be blind to not see clear favorism of Russia by Gaijin and constant gimping of USA.
Imagine talking like speed isn't one of the quality a missile needs to have in order to be good. I'd rather use a missile going mach 4 pulling 20G than a missile going at mach 2 pulling 60G, mostly if we're talking about bvr combat.
@@zehi04 F15 can carry 8 aim120, Su27 can carry only 6 R77. With this said, drag and loft coefficent also play an huge role. R77 are better from 10 to 20kms while AIM120 are better from 20kms to 30kms. Imagine crying because Gaijin actually made these missiles more accurate to their real life capabilities resulting in a way more balanced type of gameplay. Imagine. Also, i hope they'll nerf that F16 because i'm getting annoyed to fly it like an UFO while everybody just bleed all their speed as soon as they pull 7-9Gs. It's so overpowered that it feels like cheating. Yet there is no american main complaining about it, lol. That's how biased ya all USA fanboys are.
No, you are just bad, I have the F16 and F15C, belgian F16AM, Su27Sm, f4f ICE and mirage 2k 5f and I can say from experience the amraam is by far the most deadly at further ranges, Ive gotten multiple 7 kill games with amraam, it is still at the top of the chain, no discussion
Overall the Amraam is the best fox 3 missile in the game, despite the maneuverability nerf it’s still the best fox-3 for the majority of scenarios. The 9M is there for the close shots
9M isn’t a dogfight missile at all, it doesn’t pull
@@kennedy.nola_ sure it does, it’s just no R-73 and it’s hard to get an idea since it’s smokeless
@acdfg3 the seekerhead on that thing would break the game
Your logic that it being able to turn less so it has more range is flawed, your assuming that the missile is always trying to turn as hard as possible in that case the less aoa one would lose less energy but they don’t, all the change did was make the amraam less maneuverable when it needs it
In rear-aspect shots under 2km, when dog fighting; the 120s are a complete brick now. Off the rails and close distance, about 1/3 of their maneuverability. In BVR, however, they still perform quite well. But folks are going to need, or should, bring a couple 9Ms CQC.
@@jayklink851 that’s what I’m saying missle barley turn in bvr in the first place
So all it does it make it way worse at closer ranges
@@jayklink851why the hell are you launching an aim-120 rear aspect 2 km?
@@bruhhhhmoment4848was best bvr missile before nerf so idk what u mean “didn’t turn that much in the first place” and still is best bvr missile
they also increased drag by 0.025, but they added slightly more thrust to the booster and sustainer
Remember you dont need to turn as much if youre going faster
If they (gaijin) thought that they need to be buffed i want to know what kind of crack they are using there
When under 10 km, the 120s got a massive nerf. Their maneuverability is about 1/3 of what it was in up close; you know, like rear-aspect shots under 2-3 km.
@@jayklink851pretty sure they did that because before there was no reason to take a sidewinder instead of an amraam
@@VipbossguyIs not that Sidewinders turn better than the nerfed AMRAAMs anyways.
@@exhausting_thoughts that’s what I said
No dude, it literally has nothing to do with what it needs or doesn’t need. It is an accurate change.
For a bit i used aim-120 as a aim-9 if you view it as a buff or nerf depends on your playstyle. fly high shoot low players will love this im sure. it doesnt make sens when people completely disregarding others and thier opinion just because it does not align with your own. also are these changes just for RB? thank you for the update
It sucks because yeah, you might provide slightly less reaction time because it's faster, but that doesn't help if just turning 180° and dumping some chaff is all it takes to dump a missile at long range. And at close range the 120 is garbage so it's pretty much one of the most easily evadeable fox 3 in the game because of this
@@toxickilljoy9037”going 180 and chaffing is all it takes to avoid it” what did you expect?
@SalSal-om1en I think all missiles are in need of a terminal energy buff because as of right now the only time you'll get a kill with anything is by going inside putbull range anyways which nullifies the OP-120 comletely and makes things like mica em, r77, etc. the best missiles in the game. Watching the missiles track long range shots through the radar is abysmally comical, and now that the amraam has the off boresight dogfighting capability of an aim 9b it's basically worthless outside of missile trucking now.
And I say this after having played them since the changes
Commenting first so that no kid can say first also they need to fix the mica
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My hero
Haha maybe they will in 2 years maybe they wont we will see
Does anyone know if something happened to mats discord? It randomly dissapeared off my server list and I cant find it in the description of any of his videos anymore.
I liked the old one better. now it just bricks when it is launched for the first 5 seconds. I don't really go for snipes anymore cuz ppl have mostly learned how to crank/chaff
but these changes are towards realistic or changes for game rebalance?
How is he aiming his radar like that? And is it possible to do on console?
Still waiting for the aam4 to be usable.
I still don't get it, it's worse than the 120, right?
@@razvy6949 only past 80km
first two weeks was fun after that they nerfed it,now everyone knows how to notch,game isnt fun anymore at all
Did they change the AAM-4 in anyway?
Yes
@@enterprise8305 What did they change, if u know
@@razvy6949 they change it thrust power
From one phase become two phase thrusts.
Also buff it thrust power make it fly further.
(But actually AIM120 still usually better )
Yet they seem to let the Russian missiles be op and cracked as shit
The stupidity on this take is even comical
@@rav3727 How so? R-27ER was miles better than Sparrows last update. R-73 is harder to flare and even impossible as close ranges while being more manevourable than the 9M's. Russia has the best SPAA, bets Heli and very competent CAS with 40km ranged ATGM's, while USA doesn't even have a top tier SPAA, it's a Tank Destroyer that cost 2-3 times more SP to spawn while barely being better than the 10.7 BR Tunguska. USA only has the F-16 as CAS which they fixed it only recently, before that Mavericks were useless. And now they nerfed AMRAAMS and increased SP cost in GRB, so spawning CAP with AMRAAMS cost more SP than spawning Su-25SM3 with 40km ATGM's or Ka-52 with full CAS loadout. You really need to be blind to not see clear favorism of Russia by Gaijin and constant gimping of USA.
@@rav3727 I’ve had more luck with Russian missiles at certain tiers
@@rav3727- 🤓
@@INeatFreak arguing with a ussr main is no better than arguing with a brick wall.
IMAGINE TELLING YOUR VIEWERS THAT IT GOES FAST IN A STRAIGHT LINE BUY CANT TURN BUT ITS A BUFF
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Imagine talking like speed isn't one of the quality a missile needs to have in order to be good. I'd rather use a missile going mach 4 pulling 20G than a missile going at mach 2 pulling 60G, mostly if we're talking about bvr combat.
@@devisucarlo7922 right, but all the other fox3's are basically the same speed as the amraam but with more maneouverability
@@devisucarlo7922your saying that like all the other missiles are also the same speed but more maneuverable
@@zehi04 F15 can carry 8 aim120, Su27 can carry only 6 R77. With this said, drag and loft coefficent also play an huge role. R77 are better from 10 to 20kms while AIM120 are better from 20kms to 30kms.
Imagine crying because Gaijin actually made these missiles more accurate to their real life capabilities resulting in a way more balanced type of gameplay. Imagine.
Also, i hope they'll nerf that F16 because i'm getting annoyed to fly it like an UFO while everybody just bleed all their speed as soon as they pull 7-9Gs. It's so overpowered that it feels like cheating. Yet there is no american main complaining about it, lol. That's how biased ya all USA fanboys are.
r77 is dogshit compared to aim120
They need to fix MICA
Aim120 is trash now
guud,vpo,itra still abusing aim120 only
I won’t play war thunder any more my poor mig 27 (not the G variant) now has to go against aim 120s… thanks shitgaijin
you only have to go up against the av-8b plusses with tthat and only in a full uptier lol. nothingburger issue, plane was a pretty easy grind for me
@@kristofszilvasi9021 no I just recently went against a F-15 and an F-16 with aim 120s
@@kristofszilvasi9021 at first I was going against a aV8B which wasn’t a big deal but now I can’t even compete
@@kristofszilvasi9021 there’s no way in hell or at least when I try my R 27ts reach 16 with AiM 120s before he shoots me out the sky with his missiles
@@RaodyOPS that is not possible both those planes are 2.0 entire BRs above the 11.0 and 11.3 mig 27s. Aren't you confusing the Mig 27 and Su 27?
English or Spanish? Let's talk about it
Wat
Portuguese I think.
@@DevilDolphin734 he's from Brazil lol
Attack the D point!
They nerfed and killed AIM 120. If you disagree you have no idea about this game.
No, you are just bad, I have the F16 and F15C, belgian F16AM, Su27Sm, f4f ICE and mirage 2k 5f and I can say from experience the amraam is by far the most deadly at further ranges, Ive gotten multiple 7 kill games with amraam, it is still at the top of the chain, no discussion
US mains mad that they can't stomp every single nation 💯
😂 lmao
lol us mains exaggerating everything as usual
Poor us main😂
Smoke less motor...