3DS Can Play Game Boy Advance Games Without Emulation

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  • @GVG
    @GVG  3 місяці тому +62

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    • @DryPaperHammerBro
      @DryPaperHammerBro 3 місяці тому +3

      I thought something was missing from the video. Thanks SponsorBlock!

    • @mattschehr163
      @mattschehr163 3 місяці тому

      sponsors dont help we just want to watch the video

    • @rickster008
      @rickster008 3 місяці тому

      I agree with the secret jon

    • @user-lm5jc8tp3z
      @user-lm5jc8tp3z 2 місяці тому

      "3DS library outstanding" - muahahahha xd this console doesn't have any action games, nor any strategy games, nor any RTS games nor horror games... it has only mario and some big-headed jRPG games... Even PS Vita has better library. At least it has Borderlands 2 or Uncharted or God of War 1 + 2, or Assassin's Creed

    • @sleepyslurpuff1466
      @sleepyslurpuff1466 2 місяці тому

      @@user-lm5jc8tp3z You thought this comment deserved to be posted twice? 😂

  • @piratebear3126
    @piratebear3126 3 місяці тому +1105

    Fun fact: there’s some GBA games that have a built in sleep mode, and it triggers the 3DS’s sleep mode like normal. Just remember the button combo to bring it out of sleep mode.

    • @DarkBowser64
      @DarkBowser64 3 місяці тому +184

      You don't even need the button combo to bring it out of sleep!
      If the game has a built-in sleep mode, closing the system and then reopening the system will automatically bring it out of sleep mode. There's just no way to put it INTO sleep mode without the actual built in methods of the game.

    • @bootmii98
      @bootmii98 3 місяці тому +13

      Doesn't work with Goomba Color

    • @karmagiel
      @karmagiel 3 місяці тому +22

      ​@@DarkBowser64 oh, i wondered why metroid fusion was active after putting it to sleep and opening the 3ds again. thats why.

    • @Michirin9801
      @Michirin9801 3 місяці тому +24

      And you can patch Sleep Mode into the games that don't have it!
      Also, don't use Goomba Color, use Gambatte, or GameYob in DS mode. Gambatte is better for most games, and it's probably perfect on a New 3DS, but for some reason, GameYob in DS mode has better performance with a few extra-demanding GBC games on an old 3DS (Cannon Fodder and Wacky Races for example)

    • @SuperFranzs
      @SuperFranzs 3 місяці тому +14

      Yeah. I used this a lot in Mother 3! I had to play it on the 3DS, as the timings don't work in emulation.

  • @AbruptAvalanche
    @AbruptAvalanche 3 місяці тому +747

    It's funny how in that same generation, pretty much the exact same thing happened with the Wii U and Gamecube games. The system was capable, but Nintendo just never did anything with it.

    • @edwardsaldana2534
      @edwardsaldana2534 3 місяці тому +71

      If the Wii U was given 2 more years to bounce back, maybe GameCube could of arrived

    • @The_SOB_II
      @The_SOB_II 3 місяці тому +63

      ​@@edwardsaldana2534I love your commitment to coping. The Wii U got done dirty but man there was nothing they could do after the first 2 years max

    • @HackerBilly13
      @HackerBilly13 3 місяці тому +52

      ​@@edwardsaldana2534Honestly I think the thing that would've saved the Wii U was the 3ds Player they were working on for it. It got dropped and never released but I honestly believe if that was something that released nearly immediately with the system. It would've done so incredibly well

    • @juiceala
      @juiceala 3 місяці тому +32

      This is false, I was one of the Beta testers of Dios Mios and Nintendont, unlike the 3DS the Wii U CAN'T run GameCube games natively, Nintendo removed the MIOS from the Wii U and it was up to the hard work of the modding community to build, test, fix and adjust Nintendont to make it run well on the Wii U.

    • @legoboy7107
      @legoboy7107 3 місяці тому +17

      @@juiceala But that's mainly a software-side thing, isn't it? The software the Wii uses when it runs Gamecube games or something is what's missing? The actual native Gamecube hardware is still present in the system since it has Wii hardware (which is basically the same), right? It's just not nearly as usable on its own out-of-the-box as the GBA hardware in the 3DS clearly is because Nintendo removed software that allows you to...access it or something? Correct me if I'm wrong and you really know but that's roughly the idea I had of what's happening there.

  • @armadeus8711
    @armadeus8711 3 місяці тому +363

    Nothing fills me with more excitement that getting to hear Jon talk about backwards compatibility for 10+ minutes
    The only thing that gets me more excited is hearing Jon talk about image quality for 10+ minutes

    • @Kritigri
      @Kritigri 3 місяці тому +9

      Tell me about image quality, Jon. Show me the pixels.

    • @Kiirabu197
      @Kiirabu197 3 місяці тому +7

      ​@@Kritigri look at those pixel-perfect images.

    • @Matanumi
      @Matanumi 3 місяці тому

      exciting like Sora

  • @AlexCFaulkner
    @AlexCFaulkner 3 місяці тому +583

    I think this video was a subliminal message on how to play mother 3 in English.

    • @YustinJ420
      @YustinJ420 3 місяці тому +45

      And Mario vs Donkey Kong without buying the switch version

    • @thenightowls2804
      @thenightowls2804 3 місяці тому +7

      or you could just use an emulator on your laptop/phone lol

    • @Lordilucas12
      @Lordilucas12 3 місяці тому +30

      @@thenightowls2804 The rhythm elements work way better on native hardware because of the lack of input delay, I'd actually argue mother 3 is one of the few games where this native solution has huge gameplay benefits

    • @leeartlee915
      @leeartlee915 3 місяці тому +6

      That’s how I played it for the first time. And I’m glad I did. That thing is NEVER getting localized.

    • @PikadaveStudios
      @PikadaveStudios 3 місяці тому

      that's how i did it for the first time! (i found an app that turns .gba files into smt the 3ds could do)

  • @phillipclearman859
    @phillipclearman859 3 місяці тому +452

    Its a shame Nintendo didn't take more advantage of this, even if the GBA's all star library is a lot of remakes.

    • @KnightSoulsG
      @KnightSoulsG 3 місяці тому +39

      Miss opportunities that's Nintendo

    • @edwardsaldana2534
      @edwardsaldana2534 3 місяці тому +51

      Shame that they didn’t put gameboy games on DSi ware, that’s even more of a miss opportunity

    • @DetroitMetroRetro
      @DetroitMetroRetro 3 місяці тому +14

      I think its obvious why nintendo switched to a subscription format
      They cant make as much money off every single game compared to having multiple games for a subscription and in my opinion it works great!
      Like if they ported game and watch gallery and it was a one time purchase or survival kids how many people would even buy it

    • @gars129
      @gars129 3 місяці тому +13

      The DS was a 2D beast. Maybe a little worse than PS1, though being tile and often choosing to use 6 bit mode based does give it a more SNES on steroids vibe. Many developers did not fully take advantage of it (the Treasure games are an example of really taking on the challenge, and most things still hold up. But man, the reason I forgot about the much more primitive sound was that I often played it without headphones.

    • @yggdrasilsaltar
      @yggdrasilsaltar 3 місяці тому +1

      well they ended up with a better deal in the end with the switch so it worked itself out

  • @kianworld_
    @kianworld_ 3 місяці тому +107

    BTW you can enable the GBA startup screen on VC injects by holding Select when turning the system on to load Luma's settings and enabling "Show GBA boot screen in patched AGB_FIRM"

  • @JagGentlemann
    @JagGentlemann 3 місяці тому +186

    "I'm not a liar"
    >Cuts to a sponsor not narrated by John

  • @Mimiyan_or_Pikapikafan
    @Mimiyan_or_Pikapikafan 3 місяці тому +103

    Tip for anyone playing games with pixel perfect mode, trying playing with the lights off at night. You hardly notice how much of it is not used when you already have a hard time seeing anything but the game

    • @gluttonousmaximus9048
      @gluttonousmaximus9048 3 місяці тому +3

      I have to squint to see it well though...

    • @ihaveagoddamnplanarthur
      @ihaveagoddamnplanarthur 3 місяці тому

      ​@@gluttonousmaximus9048umm uhh let's say that it's a gameboy micro

    • @qnybucks
      @qnybucks 27 днів тому

      pandanoko in the wild...

    • @Mimiyan_or_Pikapikafan
      @Mimiyan_or_Pikapikafan 27 днів тому

      @@qnybucks I love whenever someone brings that up because I then get to talk about how I actually got a Pandanoko in Yo-Kai Watch 2. It's name is Tuxenoko (it's one of the 4 default nicknames, but I like it)

  • @vampirestrike_
    @vampirestrike_ 3 місяці тому +207

    Nintendo: You still can't play MOTHER 3 outside of Japan.
    Jon: *wink wink*

    • @UnreaLorenzo
      @UnreaLorenzo 3 місяці тому +12

      You can, Just have a Japanese Nintendo account. (Switch is REGION FREE remember?) Besides, just use the English fan translation and inject it as a GBA forwarder (like Jon did) I played it in my 3DS.

    • @kariminyt
      @kariminyt 3 місяці тому +9

      @@UnreaLorenzo haha u didnt got that the wink wink meant. there is English translated rom for mother 3 for years. but nintendo cant translate it them self to English without changing the game due to copyright issues is not the same in the west to what its in japan.

    • @SnakebitSTI
      @SnakebitSTI 3 місяці тому +2

      _Looks at Mother 3 cartridge_
      _Looks at GBA_
      What do you mean I can't play it? It works perfectly fine! :P

    • @Cerbleur07
      @Cerbleur07 2 місяці тому +2

      Nintendo (watching the Mother 3 fandub website) : We are not going to localize mother 3 over Japan, we don't even know what that is.... *wink wink*

  • @Konic_and_Snuckles
    @Konic_and_Snuckles 3 місяці тому +8

    The reason for the dark filter is because the original GBA didn't have a backlight and so most of its game library used very bright assets to stand out better under ambient lighting conditions. Many of these games look fine when played on a backlit display, but some look comically bright like FF6 Advanced.

  • @Joel97_
    @Joel97_ 3 місяці тому +61

    Twilight menu next + NDS forwarder next?
    And yes, i also did this for years, my 3DS is a emulation beast, i love it

    • @wchorski
      @wchorski 3 місяці тому

      ever had emulation problems with gba games and Twilight menu? I switched to mGBA instead for now, but miss the convince of the all in one

    • @Joel97_
      @Joel97_ 3 місяці тому +2

      @@wchorski I just used native GBA for the 3ds through the injectors, it was comfy enough for me, and I didn't need to do it that often to it would become annoying so. Never had issues with it.
      I did try GBA Runner on twilight menu, but eh, that would be better on a DSi in my opinion, since you would load more directly to twilight menu

  • @NovaDelta
    @NovaDelta 3 місяці тому +37

    One neat thing I found out while playing GBA games on a DSi using GBArunner2 is that using it you can actually extend the rendering of the game itself to fully fit the DS's screen to give you an additional 16 horizontal and 32 vertical pixels.
    Pokemon Ruby was the only game I tested with this and the game actually does render parts of the screen that aren't shown.
    The world think renders 16x16 tiles at a time, and with the frame extended not only can you see the unused vertical tiles, but also how the screen shifts horizontally and its pretty cool.
    You can also see some random data, as well as parts of the Hoenn town map that aren't usually fully shown

  • @FullaEels
    @FullaEels 3 місяці тому +125

    been injecting gba roms on my 3ds for a couple years now, it's fun! i can play pokemon gen 1-7 all on the same system, which i think is neat, and the only 'not legit' section is gen 3. they really should've put them on vc

    • @tylerlaunius7396
      @tylerlaunius7396 3 місяці тому +9

      Here's hoping an NSO announcement for the GB/C and GBA games happens at the upcoming Pokémon Presents. It would be pretty neat to have them.

    • @JeskidoYT
      @JeskidoYT 3 місяці тому +3

      like jon said, hope you moved to the openagba firm please

    • @ndnixlon9548
      @ndnixlon9548 3 місяці тому

      AGB_FIRM doesn't support FLASH1M (the save type every Gen 3 Pokémon game used) so I'm not surprised why it wasn't on the Ambassador Program.

    • @johnsducks9816
      @johnsducks9816 3 місяці тому

      I love old Pokémon games but since getting used to playing them on emulators with fast forward it is impossible to go back they are just so much better with ff

    • @ndnixlon9548
      @ndnixlon9548 3 місяці тому

      @@johnsducks9816 4th Gen Pokémon is the only one in the mainline series capable of fast-forward without the use of emulators (via cheats tho)

  • @catmachete2900
    @catmachete2900 3 місяці тому +39

    Another great feature of open agb firm is that managing save files is way easier. They’re just put in a folder on your sd card while injects take several steps to backup saves

    • @kariminyt
      @kariminyt 3 місяці тому +3

      ah thx i wanted to know this. i always wanted to an easier way to extract the save files from VC. this is the way to go.

    • @leonro
      @leonro 3 місяці тому +2

      But injects are visible from the normal home screen. I much prefer to have all of my games in one place, even if I can't do it for DS. For games like Pokemon where you might want to transfer the creatures, it might be a better way, but usually I just want to play the game.
      I only ever injected Zero Mission, and I'd say that it played very well. Usually I just emulate games on my phone or PC though, it's more convenient.

    • @kitterbug
      @kitterbug 3 місяці тому

      ​@@leonroI prefer to use virtual console for presentation, but if I'm lazy I use AGB firm

    • @Wryyyong
      @Wryyyong 3 місяці тому

      @ Surely utility factor should take precedent over aesthetics factor, no?
      Sure, seeing all those icons on your HOME Menu looks nice n all, but each individual game requires one to inject the ROM dump they desire into an importable archive based off the ones used for the 'Nintendo 3DS Ambassador' program. And if aesthetics are your goal, then that'd also mean making a fitting icon and banner for each game as well, and getting its title and developer/publisher info correct as well. And only _then_ would you be able to install the archive on your system. And if you make a mistake anywhere in your customization for the archive, you gotta go through the hoops of backing up any save data you've made with that game, re-create the archive with the mistakes fixed, install the new archive, run it to generate a placeholder save binary, reboot the system and restore your save backup. Furthermore, each game you install counts towards your "300 title icons" limit.
      Even once everything's said and done, actually getting into that game whenever you want to play it takes longer overall:
      1. Hit the POWER button
      2. Wait for the system to boot up and load the HOME Menu
      3. Locate the game you want to play and launch it
      4. Wait for the game to launch
      5. Play your game
      Meanwhile, if you were to use open_agb_firm:
      1. Hit the POWER button, while holding START and selecting open_agb_firm from the payload selector (or any button you've assigned to run open_agb_firm's payload on boot)
      2. Select your ROM dump from the menu after the payload has run
      3. Play your game
      if you just want to "play the game" like you say, then would you not prefer the option that requires the least setup and waiting time?

    • @benfll
      @benfll 3 місяці тому

      ​@@leonro you can get ds games on the home menu too

  • @fapuloes
    @fapuloes 3 місяці тому +24

    Well, in the case of the GBA the dark filter does actually make sense (at least in theory) since a lot of the original GBA games had set much higher contrasts to counter the non-backlit screen of the original model. Which means playing any of those GBA games on a backlit screen (including the GBA SP even) without color correction does get you an image that is simply too bright and thus not truly representing how that game is actually supposed to look like as intended by the designers. My favorite example being Mario Advance 2 looking completely bleached out compared to Super Mario World.

    • @Tempora158
      @Tempora158 3 місяці тому +3

      Unfortunate that the original GBA, released just two decades ago, is already a victim of the Mandela Effect, because people have clearly forgotten how dim the original GBA's reflective screen is, or that there even was the original GBA, because a lot of people seriously think the GBA SP is the original GBA.

    • @nadca2
      @nadca2 3 місяці тому

      @@Tempora158 The SP and Game Boy Player are why FFTA had three different display options

  • @kitterbug
    @kitterbug 3 місяці тому +12

    Fun Fact: The Game Boy Advance shares the PSG soundchip (PSGs are what we typically call beep boop soundchips!) initially used on the original Game Boy, referred to as the DMGAPU (Dot Matrix Game Audio Processing Unit, 2x Pulse, 1x Wave, 1x noise), along with the GBA's 2 PCM sample channels. This chip is stored in the CPU and since It is used heavily within Game Boy Advance games remains on versions of the hardware without backwards compatibility for the original Game Boy.
    This means that the entire Nintendo DS family including the 3DS has a leftover from it's grandpa, the Game Boy! The DMG APU cannot be accessed by 3DS or DS software, and any PSG that you hear in DS or 3DS games is their own PSGs (6x Wave/Pulse, 2x noise, it functions out of 8 of the 16 PCM channels on DS, 32 PCM channels on 3DS via CSND), but regardless I think that is extremely cool!

  • @bgill7475
    @bgill7475 3 місяці тому +7

    The vita does this for psp games too, there’s special dedicated hardware inside the vita just for playing psp games without emulation. I love it when companies do this.
    If you jailbreak it and use adrenaline this will also access that hardware and play the games through that, so you’ll play psp games natively on a vita.

  • @jaq515
    @jaq515 3 місяці тому +16

    Being an ambassador also got you early access to the new 3ds ambassador before it launched. Which was nice

  • @kitterbug
    @kitterbug 3 місяці тому +29

    I was just reading up on the ARM7 in the 3DS! Crazy how both the Wii U and 3DS had double backwards compatibility that was barely used....

  • @Kurlija
    @Kurlija 3 місяці тому +10

    Coincidentally, I just injected the last GBA game I wanted to try (Drill Dozer) last night, adding up to a grand total of 57 GBA titles on my 3DS. It really is a great feature for those of us who haven't grown up with a GBA. The fact it works with fan translations and ROM hacks is a huge plus, too.

  • @redchan_ebooks
    @redchan_ebooks 3 місяці тому +37

    it's how i've been playing MOTHER 3. It's perfect
    Edit: You can actually enable the GBA bootup screen in the Luma3DS menu when holding select on boot

    • @steve43ful
      @steve43ful 3 місяці тому +11

      ⬆️ what they said, feels way cooler with the logo

  • @pokepress
    @pokepress 3 місяці тому +15

    GBA sound has noise because the digital sample channels only have 8 bits of resolution, so the dynamic range is small enough that you can hear the digital noise floor. For comparison, CDs have 16 bits (which results in 256 times the dynamic range, not just double), and 24 and 32 bit formats also exist.

    • @ndnixlon9548
      @ndnixlon9548 3 місяці тому +1

      IIRC someone was able to reduce the hissing noise in the MusicPlayer2000 (or Sappy / MP2k, the default Nintendo sound driver used in most GBA games) called ipatix' High Quality Sound Mixer.

    • @111112oo
      @111112oo 3 місяці тому +1

      8 bit audio resolution has 256 possible positions per channel while 16 bit resolution has 65,536 possible positions per channel, for those that don't know.

    • @cube2fox
      @cube2fox 2 місяці тому

      How many bits did the SNES have?

    • @pokepress
      @pokepress 2 місяці тому +1

      @@cube2fox It was capable of using 16-bit samples, though lower depths were often used. I think the hard limit on the GBA is part of what gives it the noticeable hiss.

  • @thebearup
    @thebearup 2 місяці тому +2

    IIRC the dark filter was for 2 reasons.
    1. Nintendo was trying to prevent epilepsy related to flashing lights.
    2. Some early GBA games used bright color palettes to compensate for lack of backlighting. So on later consoles they added a darken filter to compensate for the compensation.
    FWIW GBA Runner is another option for GBA on 3DS but results may vary.

  • @KnownAsKenji
    @KnownAsKenji 2 місяці тому +3

    Really goes to show the length of DS's life, that people forgot this was always built-in.

  • @jacobpro_
    @jacobpro_ 3 місяці тому +23

    I have a modded New 3DS XL and DSi XL; both such great systems. I bought the DSi for DS games.. even though the 3DS can play them, the resolution difference was too muddy for my liking. DS games look the absolute best on native hardware. Especially on the IPS large displays of the XL. Chefs kiss.

    • @DarkNia64
      @DarkNia64 3 місяці тому +7

      You might already know this, but DS and VC games can be played in their original resolution on 3DS by holding Start while launching. Only downside is the smaller window size.

    • @hahahaani
      @hahahaani 3 місяці тому

      I'm really tempted to splurge on a XL for some crisp ds gameplay, but I'm also considering using that money instead to pimp out my lite with an ezflash and new R4. Real first world problems lol

    • @user-xg9gm7xk7i
      @user-xg9gm7xk7i 3 місяці тому

      @@hahahaanii have dsi xl to and i like play on it gba games. I tried gbarunner3 dev build and it worke very smooth! it have no inputlag like plaing native gba.

    • @KyLesCaster
      @KyLesCaster 2 місяці тому

      You can achieve pixel perfect with 3DS, its no different. Wouldn't you rather have the entire 3DS library ON TOP of the DS? I dont suggest anyone buy a DS / DSi over a 3DS, if the screen quality is the only arguement.

    • @EuroMIX2
      @EuroMIX2 2 місяці тому

      I wish I'd been able to get a New 3DS XL before they became too rare and expensive. I do love my standard XL, but there's times I wish I had the features of the New XL.

  • @SaviTheGamer
    @SaviTheGamer 3 місяці тому +9

    These games were some of the few that I had when I was younger my 3DS and it lead me to becoming a fan of a love of these series! I'm quite glad these are getting the spotlight they deserver, and there's something new to discover about them every day!

  • @droycon
    @droycon 3 місяці тому +22

    That’s how I played mother 3 it works amazing

  • @ruegore
    @ruegore 3 місяці тому +5

    I've been following profi200's OAF project since early 2022. I love how it feels like you've turned your 3DS into a GBA with a flash cart in it! Such a fantastic project and I'd love to see profi200 finally implement that GUI they've been working on for so long.

  • @Preskryption
    @Preskryption 3 місяці тому +25

    Long live the 3DS!

    • @kariminyt
      @kariminyt 3 місяці тому

      i found this funny,
      any way only 1 month left for the online to be shutdown =/

    • @As4vo
      @As4vo 3 місяці тому

      ​@@kariminyti hope guys do some hacking to have it running on pretendo or anything like that for at last first party games.

    • @kariminyt
      @kariminyt 3 місяці тому +2

      @@As4voits not great on 3ds like its on wii u sadly. only mario kart 7 is supported which is great on 3ds. but i wish it had more

    • @As4vo
      @As4vo 3 місяці тому +1

      @@kariminyt i didn't know that :(
      I hope they improve it adding more 3DS games.

    • @ericbelnades1257
      @ericbelnades1257 Місяць тому

      Oh boy that aged poorly... but also like a fine wine at the same time! Incredible

  • @martinmcneal2778
    @martinmcneal2778 3 місяці тому +29

    Let me just say this.
    You have a pretty impressive voice and could be a great news anchor or a radio announcer for a product or as a radio host.

    • @The_SOB_II
      @The_SOB_II 3 місяці тому

      He could be the next Dookie Nookie

    • @JeskidoYT
      @JeskidoYT 3 місяці тому +7

      i believe jon did work for radio before he got into gaming

    • @Qwerty10254
      @Qwerty10254 3 місяці тому +1

      He knows that already

    • @superxnatrl1941
      @superxnatrl1941 3 місяці тому +2

      his voice is horrible

    • @The_SOB_II
      @The_SOB_II 3 місяці тому +1

      @@superxnatrl1941 What makes you say that? Sometimes it feels like he's rumbling my heart and it's going to rupture TBH, but not since they started this channel really

  • @RBtheMad
    @RBtheMad 3 місяці тому +7

    been doing this for years. my modded 3DS was such a clutch handheld for a broke high school student. being able to play NES, SNES, Genesis, Gameboy, GBA, DS, and 3DS all on one system was incredible for a long time.

  • @AlexanTheMan
    @AlexanTheMan 3 місяці тому +5

    The 3DS always seems to show itself as a Jack of all trades as time goes on

  • @PixelShade
    @PixelShade 3 місяці тому +6

    I knew about it! and ITS WONDERFUL. I modded mine when Nintendo pulled support. I have GB, GBC, Super Nintendo, GBA, DS, DSi Ware and 3DS games directly accessible from the home screen, and then I tons of other systems through emulators, such as Mega Drive, Master System, Neo Geo, Capcom CPS 1-3... the 3DS is an amazing portable system. :)

  • @vidego
    @vidego 3 місяці тому +2

    The same thing happened with the Wii U, where because it's backwards compatible with Wii games, it can also natively play GameCube games. Nintendo never put any on the eShop so you need a modded console, however.

  • @vertujoe2886
    @vertujoe2886 3 місяці тому +2

    Thank you for sharing this informative video, I always heard 3ds had a native GBA mode but never found it's based on custom start options instead of luma3ds. Greatly appreciated 👍👍

  • @NeoVejiita
    @NeoVejiita 3 місяці тому +3

    This is super cool. If I ever go to play a GBA game portably again I will likely use this method...that being said, I've mostly just used PC emulation lately due to how accurate the emulators can be on a high end PC.

  • @OutsideSpace-ur2st
    @OutsideSpace-ur2st 3 місяці тому +3

    I love the native compatibility, there were also some eshop virtual console titles that instead of using the link cable for multiplayer it would use download play.

  • @olevet75
    @olevet75 2 місяці тому +1

    quality of those comparising shots is amazing

  • @gamecubeslayer
    @gamecubeslayer 3 місяці тому +1

    I got a 2ds xl this year and it’s becoming one of my favorite consoles ever
    Having one system to play Pokémon generations 1-7 is just so cool to have

  • @Calham64
    @Calham64 3 місяці тому +2

    9:56 Oh, boy... I remember this so vividly. Back then I honestly found it quicker to exit to the Home Menu then power it down as it was quicker. The same goes for when in DS Mode. It may have meant waiting for the Home Menu to boot, but it was actually faster than just powering it off straight away, which doesn't really make any sense, lol.

  • @FalKoopa
    @FalKoopa 3 місяці тому +3

    I play most of my GBA games on the 3DS via emulation because for the most part it works well enough. It's only for games that don't run well (like Warioware Twisted) that I use injects.
    The 3DS really is an amazing system in the sense it can play literally every handheld game Nintendo ever released, along with NES, SNES and (barely) N64 games.

    • @Unithrex
      @Unithrex 3 місяці тому +2

      How did you get Twisted working? Is there a way to use the 3ds gyro?

  • @JediMB
    @JediMB 3 місяці тому +1

    I wasn't aware of open_agb_firm, so thanks for that! I haven't had that much time for my 3DS since I modded it a year and a half ago, but I did just rip some of my old GBA games and this could make playing them a much smoother experience.

  • @ThunderPhant
    @ThunderPhant 3 місяці тому +5

    I was a "3DS Ambassador" and I was probably 11 years old, but I played the HELL out of Fire Emblem Sacred Stones & Metroid Fusion. Literally 100+ Hours in FE and got me into the series so when Awakening came out I was ready

  • @mactep1
    @mactep1 3 місяці тому +3

    I still think this is way better on DS, the screens might be 4:3 but its always in pixel perfect with minimal black bars, unlike the 3ds pixel perfect mode.

  • @MegaManNeo
    @MegaManNeo 3 місяці тому +1

    I knew about the Injector tool but never used it thus also never knew about the 3DS actually having native GBA backwards compatibility.
    Thanks a lot!

  • @Ecusu
    @Ecusu 3 місяці тому +3

    It's worth pointing out that, if you're using a 3DS XL, old or new, then DS games on Pixel Perfect mode will be the exact same size as if played on an actual DSi.
    The smaller window size is an illusion due to the empty black space around it.
    GBA games are sadly genuinely a bit smaller in Pixel Perfect, but still better than, let's say, a Micro.

  • @lakitudude7577
    @lakitudude7577 3 місяці тому +1

    The biggest example i've noticed of sound issues is that the confirm sound in the gen 3 Pokémon games sounds off

  • @ThisIsCSDX
    @ThisIsCSDX 3 місяці тому

    This is actually super helpful. Now if only I knew how to remove 3DSBank data properly as I made a sort of 2nd profile just for GBA VC.

  • @Calham64
    @Calham64 3 місяці тому

    Went ahead and tested the open gba firm myself today. To help out with Jon's issue of it not coming out as well in capture, you can modify the config file values on the SD Card. For scaler, changing the value to "0" does zero scaling on the screen, so gets sharper picture clarity. By default it's on "2" being hardware scaling. Smaller screen, but it's on the same sharpness as a Game Boy Micro. Also, you can change the default brightness as well, as the github page states that you can up the values for both Old 3DS and New 3DS models. The default scaling is okay, but I like my pixels to be crisp clean personally.

  • @ThunderDragonRandy
    @ThunderDragonRandy Місяць тому +1

    10:53 For RetroAchievements in RetroArch. But if RetroAchievements never existed, I probably would have went the native route.

  • @webbedshadow2601
    @webbedshadow2601 3 місяці тому +1

    I have a modded 3DS and didn't know there was a way to launch GBA games straight from boot and avoid having to install injects that is CRAZY to me, so thanks to the homebrew community for making that possible! I can't believe how perfect the 3DS is for playing GBA games! well as long as having nothing showing on the bottom screen doesn't annoy you haha

  • @putridscene
    @putridscene 3 місяці тому +1

    In reference to Jon's question, I have been doing this for years and ALSO did not know it was running them natively.

  • @Thollis1987
    @Thollis1987 3 місяці тому +1

    Jon voice is so satisfying to hear talking about video games.😊

  • @PhirePhlame
    @PhirePhlame 3 місяці тому +2

    For the time comparison, I do think it's worth noting that the 3DS seems to take longer to get to the Home Menu when you have a theme applied.

    • @ZipplyZane
      @ZipplyZane 3 місяці тому

      Also if you have it hacked and use a decent sized SD card.

  • @vvizard4994
    @vvizard4994 3 місяці тому

    Great video as always Jon, I've been doing the same on my 3DS, GBA games look very sharp and feel amazing to control when playing natively like this.
    The only downside to playing natively instead of emulating with mGBA on 3DS is the lack of motion controls, WarioWare Twisted and Yoshi Topsy Turv don't really work when playing natively, you need to emulate them to use the 3DS Gyro for motion

  • @WohaoG
    @WohaoG 3 місяці тому

    you actually CAN enable the GBA boot up screen for VC injects with a toggle in the Luma3DS menu(hold select when booting up the system)

  • @Yoshiinite
    @Yoshiinite 3 місяці тому

    I recently learned i can play Mother 3 on my 3DS, so i'm very excited to try doing that, last time i played Mother 3 i did it on my old phone, so i couldn't hit the little music notes in the battles for a lot of the game.

  • @crazyconan28
    @crazyconan28 3 місяці тому

    The end made me smile, go Leaf Green.
    Thank you for the relaxing video to listen to after work as I'm doing house chores.

  • @championCynthia2348
    @championCynthia2348 2 місяці тому

    Honestly my homebrewed 2ds XL is my go to nintendo emulator when I'm on the go, NES, SNES, GB(C), GBA, Genesis, Game Gear, 3ds and nds, it's able to do so so much natively. And then there's retroarch as well, which is amazing

  • @DeoxysChao
    @DeoxysChao 3 місяці тому +1

    LeafGreen stan here! I still kept my original cartridge to this day. Loved it! 😊

  • @DisturbedbyDeth
    @DisturbedbyDeth 3 місяці тому

    I have had a modded 3DS for years and had no idea this was a feature. Tbh I had just been using a GBA emulator within the 3DS which works really well anyway, but it is nice to know I can also play the games natively.

  • @paulunga
    @paulunga 2 місяці тому +1

    Just an idle thought, but were those dark filters meant to emulate the darker GBA screens? I hope not, I don't think anyone yearns for the days of having to hold your handheld at a very specific angle to see anything. xD

  • @jonothanthrace1530
    @jonothanthrace1530 3 місяці тому

    I'm guessing that the dark filter was a safeguard against photosensitivity triggers, like how modern games will darken the screen if there's going to be a particularly bright light effect.

  • @JPHarringtonJr
    @JPHarringtonJr 3 місяці тому

    If you are having an issue with your Injected GBA rom where the bottom of the screen cuts out and appears at the top of the screen, make sure the 3DS Micro SD card is formatted with an allocation unit of 65536. I got stuck on this problem for a while and it was a bummer. I did NOT know about Open AGB firm. Ill have to check that out!

  • @guguig9746
    @guguig9746 3 місяці тому

    I didn't know anything about this, this is great!

  • @redtutel
    @redtutel 3 місяці тому +1

    11:52 that deserves its own video. Maybe when we get main series Pokémon on NSO

    • @TetsuoKunio
      @TetsuoKunio 3 місяці тому

      Scrolling comments to find this. Is it just preference, or does he know something we don’t. I have to know.

  • @ThatBassoonist
    @ThatBassoonist Місяць тому

    I think Nintendo didn't pursue GBA on the 3DS for a wider release because many GBA games have vertical image alignment issues on the 3DS, and while it's fixed by rapidly pressing the home button that does not make for a good user experience. Speaking of the home button, one of my favorite features of the 3DS when it's in DS or GBA mode is that you actually CAN adjust the screen brightness from within the game (though you still have to deal with that horrible dark filter for ambassador games). If you press the home button once, then hold the start button, you can use the up and down directions on the d-pad to adjust the brightness!

  • @RPGreg2600
    @RPGreg2600 3 місяці тому

    Glad i watched this. I hadn't heard of Open GBA Firm. Maybe 10 minutes later, I've got it working on my 3ds! Far better than emulation, or spending the time to create VC injections!

  • @scpredmage
    @scpredmage 2 місяці тому +1

    I'm a huge fucking nerd that went down this rabbit hole a while back after I jailbroke my New 3DS XL and wanted to figure out what all it could run.
    To expand on the explanation in the video with too many technical details, the Nintendo DS included both a 67MHz ARM9 core and a 33MHz ARM7 core. The GameBoy Advance used a 16.78MHz ARM7 core (it also had a 4MHz Z80 for backwards compatibility with GameBoy and GameBoy Color games, but that's all it was used for). When playing GBA games on a DS, it just used that core to run things.
    That said, DS games also used the ARM7 core, for things like audio, WiFi, and the touchscreen. Because of that, in order to maintain backwards compatibility with DS games, the 3DS had to include that same ARM7 core, in addition to the DS's ARM9 core and the dual-core 268MHz ARM11 it introduced.
    But the problem is that in order to run those backwards compatible games, the system basically has to switch to "DS mode", which more or less disables the ARM11 core and runs exactly how that system ran, including support for GBA games. With GBA games, not even the original DS had a sleep mode that worked with GBA games, so the same is true for the 3DS. Some games had their own sleep mode activated by a button combo, and I believe would automatically wake when you reopened the DS. The "Ultimate GBA VC Injector for 3DS" (the one used in the video) includes an option to try to patch a sleep mode into games (on screen at 5:44), but as it warns, it doesn't work for all games.

  • @douggfe
    @douggfe 3 місяці тому +4

    me casually playing MOTHER 3 (Brazilian-Portuguese/Fan translation) on my 3DS

  • @Michirin9801
    @Michirin9801 3 місяці тому

    OpenAGBfirm's screen brightness changes don't work on my 3DS... Am I missing something? Cuz that's like, the main reason why I don't use it, and go for VC injections instead...

  • @theheadlesssoldier
    @theheadlesssoldier 3 місяці тому

    Somehow, I was just looking into the problem with injections this morning taking forever to put on a 3DS, and I actually installed open_agb_firm by accident without realizing what it can do. Coincidence that this video popped up on my feed? Nah, you’re doing great lad. Thanks for the tip

  • @ben8446
    @ben8446 3 місяці тому

    Love love love it
    And that is a killa lookin new 3ds you got there Jon :)

  • @gianpy566
    @gianpy566 3 місяці тому

    The GBA native mode on 3ds is so well done that you can use all the real time clock fetures, for example the berries in pokemon emerald works like a real GBA.

  • @KeinNiemand
    @KeinNiemand 2 місяці тому +3

    Openagb firm works better in terms of compatibility then the old virtual console injection tool and you don't have to convert every single rom

  • @MisZpelled
    @MisZpelled 2 місяці тому

    The reason for the GBA re-releases having a dark filter is because, the original GBA didn't have a backlight so they would make the colors in game display as bright as possible to help with visibility on a non-backlit display. So, when you re-release those games on a modern display, if you don't compensate for the colors in game being overly bright to start with, you get an image that's WAY brighter than what the game designers intended.

  • @umokwhy2830
    @umokwhy2830 2 місяці тому +1

    Man I just appreciate golden sun being one of the three on the thumbnail

  • @andrewgerber413
    @andrewgerber413 16 днів тому

    So if I understand correctly, this method does not allow you to play gameboy games via a connector cable (like trading pokemon with your friends), unless I missed a detail where you can bypass this.

  • @benzo277
    @benzo277 3 місяці тому

    Maybe they added the dark filter so that when the sp came out they could add changing the brightness as a feature.

  • @DeathAlchemist
    @DeathAlchemist 3 місяці тому

    Got super worried that I installed multiple games without the dark filter, but it turns out the super injector has it turned off be default. That being said I brought up the Wario Land 4 to compare one screen since I didn't inject it and it looked brighter on 3ds. Does it just look worse in blown up capture software?

  • @karenpoveda29
    @karenpoveda29 Місяць тому +1

    Question. How do you record the screens of the 3ds??

  • @jagstax7746
    @jagstax7746 3 місяці тому

    If you inject with a GBA Bios you will see the boot up logo with Injection. Ultimate VC Injector is what you should be using to make GBA Or anything really. Even MD,GG can be added. With many options.

  • @FiggsOnline
    @FiggsOnline 3 місяці тому

    Question! Could injected GBA games have communications with DS games like they do on original DS hardware? For example, Pokemon could be transferred from Emerald to Platinum given you injected Emerald and are running a cartridge of Platinum.

    • @lol-ih1tl
      @lol-ih1tl 3 місяці тому

      no it doesn't.

    • @RickyRockstarTNS
      @RickyRockstarTNS 3 місяці тому

      To make transfers playing files on here you have to use a save file editor like PKSM.

  • @benlee9133
    @benlee9133 3 місяці тому

    I knew about injects, however I did not know about agb firm. Thank you for that, it's exactly what I was looking for. Also Leaf Green has Ninetales so agreed.

  • @nixel1324
    @nixel1324 3 місяці тому +1

    Wait, if the 3DS has GBA capabilities for DS backwards compat, then does that mean the DSi also has GBA capabilities in its hardware? Is there a way to make use of _that?_

  • @Gluurak
    @Gluurak 3 місяці тому

    Dark Filter was there cause GBA Games where made for a dark screen and so the games had brighter colors. Since the SP / DS / 3DS has Light inside the screen the brighter colors made the colors not that they were intended. The Dard Filter make it more like it was on a og GBA.

  • @robinrai4973
    @robinrai4973 3 місяці тому +2

    emulating is kinda better since you can do things like save states and proper sleep

  • @Matanumi
    @Matanumi 3 місяці тому +1

    10:52 -sleep mode.... thats why
    Man all this reminds me how amazing 3DS hardware is.
    And i REALLY HOPE next switch keeps tegra X1 chip within

  • @JacktheRacoon
    @JacktheRacoon 3 місяці тому

    Hey Jon! Great video!
    I was wondering: since you mentioned using a “capture 3DS”, I gotta ask: how do you set that up? I know there’s a lot of tutorials online but I really appreciate how your gameplay looks so good and I want to stream 3DS games myself. Is there any option you would recommend? Also, do you use a 3DS linked to a Nintendo account, or did you have to buy a separate one just from streaming. Just curious as I don’t wanna get my Nintendo Account nuked over a 3DS of all things lol

    • @GVG
      @GVG  3 місяці тому +1

      It's a physical hardware mod, the one I have is an older one for standard 3DS consoles and it seems they only modify New 3DS now
      3dscapture.com/

    • @JacktheRacoon
      @JacktheRacoon 3 місяці тому

      @@GVGOh my gosh! I had no idea they still made the physical hardware mods! That’s crazy! Guess I have to start saving up! Thank you!

  • @sarowie
    @sarowie 3 місяці тому +1

    for GBA backwards compatibility, the system needs most parts of a GBC/GB

  • @gerardoexber
    @gerardoexber 3 місяці тому +1

    Playing GBA through Twilight Menu and gbarunner. Original resolution greatness

  • @cheesewombatTV
    @cheesewombatTV 3 місяці тому +2

    John continues to make videos exclusively about my random hyperfixations at 3 am. God bless you fellow crazy man ❤

  • @Funem
    @Funem 3 місяці тому

    I have the Ambassador games as I got the 3DS on day one, they transferred over to the New 3DS when I upgraded and selected to transfer the contents from the old to the New 3DS. The selection of games is pretty good, they could have just given a bunch of average games, but credit to them, they didn’t.

  • @bootleggery5725
    @bootleggery5725 3 місяці тому +1

    Now, this is something I've wondered since I heard about GBA games running natively on the 3DS. Could someone mod a GBA cartridge reader onto the 3ds, and then have the 3ds read a GBA cart? That would be the best kind of Frankenstein's monster.

  • @Bl3u
    @Bl3u 3 місяці тому

    Recently modded my 3DS so I could backup my ds and 3DS library. For gameboy / gba I prefer playing via the analogue pocket via the dock to the retrotink 4K. I made a custom profile to emulate the SP lcd look, the end result just looks so fantastic.

  • @LopezXiann14
    @LopezXiann14 3 місяці тому

    I’m shocked some people haven’t heard about this yet! I did this years ago with my 3DS and was the I played Mother 3! It works great!

  • @vixenoreos
    @vixenoreos 2 місяці тому

    why would you press the power button when using gba injects instead of pressing the home button then yes or A button to close the game. My 3ds after doing this gos right back to the home menu asap.

  • @1legend517
    @1legend517 3 місяці тому

    Not just the 3DS, but also the original Nintendo DS and DSi can play Gameboy Advance games from a regular DS cartridge now. I've been waiting a long time for something like Twilight Loader. Always knew this was possible and wondered why nobody was making it happen despite so many people saying it wasn't even possible for such a long time.

  • @kokocola456
    @kokocola456 3 місяці тому +3

    Great video and another reason why people should mod their 3Ds if they haven’t. I have an old 2DS that I use to play all the GBA games I missed. And the old 2ds to me. Just feels like big gba