Thank you very much, fellow based Rise enjoyer! I watched several more of your videos after and I gotta say, I like how you deliver information and comedic bits. We may have chosen a bit of a niche series for our channels, so we'll be nobodies together for a while but I hope you stay on the grind.
@MahnsterHunter right back at you! I think your vids are legit! I hope Wilds will be a good time of prosperity for the both of us. Especially if the game blows up even larger than World did.
@MahnsterHunter the classic gamer vacation 🤣, man I appreciate you. Have a Happy New Year! I will definitely be keeping an eye on you and your channel!
I strongly disagree with your idea of giving Sword mode an offset, not only would it make both halves of the weapon more homogeneous, but it would take away some of the only utility that Axe mode has; meaning that Axe really would be relegated to only charging Switch Gauge. I think it's a good thing that certain options are exclusive to each mode, and Sword already has Counter Rising Slash to act as a defensive option.
Oh and another thing! Ive had at least 3 times in Rise where i had the opportunity to teach how to move with morphing for increased mobility and THAT is when the weapon clicked for them. It's just that satisfying in Rise.
I agree. The quick sword to axe morph without doing any attack was a game changer for me. I cannot stress the amount of fluidity and mobility the simple sword roll into morph axe provided compared to world's morphing "rules". It made me appreciate swax in rise the most
My brother absolutely adores Rise Swaxe, and is just about ready to fight someone after waiting so long seeing Wilds Swaxe being mediocre only for it to get the most "spare change stranger?" Buffs we've ever seen.
IM NOT CRAZY EITHER. It's just wrong!!! Not only does it need it's directional mobility back, but switch axe was never cool for big flashy moves. It feels amazing because it's a bunch of relentless, chunky attacks that flow however i need. If dual blades can hook on and do it's cartwheel, WHY CANT WE HOOK ON AND DO SOARING WYVERN BLADE?! 😭
Preach, brother. The bobbing and weaving, the decisive strikes, the risk and reward. It all comes together despite its flaws in previous games. And ain't it strange that other weapons have moves from Rise/Sunbreak with their grapple hook??? 🤔
@@athos9293 big flashy moves are single big attacks that come out much slower and also usually draw attention away from the rest of the moveset. stuff like true charged slash, saed, and helmsplitter.
@@spark9189 SA always had a big flashy move to use (or not) when the monster was down, that being ZSD. It depends on the situation. Wether you'll be using the fleshy moves or attacking relentlessly depends on the circumstance, and all weapons should give you a variety of options to choose from within the two types of moves.
My Japanese isn't very good yet, but I've enjoyed the videos I've seen from creators like Matcha and Mhashi. Even when Hashi made the 55 minute video about his disappointment with the ransu, the comments were pleasant and open to discussion. I am envious
That was a great video. I don't hold an opinion on the matter because I am not a veteran of the series (about 300hrs in World and 120hrs in Rise) but I just wanna say that I am currently playing Sunbreak and I picked up the Switch Axe literally 2 weeks ago, and it's a very fun weapon to play. The wirebugs give you a lot of options so that it can suit both the offensive and the defensive player, the morph attacks are really powerful with level 3 Rapid Morph, the 2 stage morph attack (was that its name??) makes me use the Axe a lot more that I would usually use it because it's 1) really cool 2) strong for building amp meter 3) gives back sword gauge, and the overall feeling of the weapon is great. I'm not really into interacting with communities and whatnot but Rise is a great game in my opinion and I think it's a shame that many people hated it on day one because "the graphics are bad". Regarding the zero sum discharge I think it is the coolest move I have ever seen and even if it's terrible I will still use it. The new one they added seems ok but i hope it doesnt overshadow zsd. Overall the video gave great insight into Switch Axe. For Monster Hunter Wilds I have two things to hope for. One is that Switch Axe will be fun for me to play, the second one is that my laptop won't become a fire hazard when I try to run the game with my RTX 3050 4GB.
Even if you aren't a veteran, your opinions are still acceptable (here at least. I'm not hostile) There's a lot of reasons why people don't like Rise and its mostly boils down to "Its not World", "Its too arcadey, its not MH", "Its too anime", and so on and so forth but the game was designed to be portable and easily accessible so hunt times are going to be diminished due to faster hunter actions and options. It has a Japanese backdrop so of course its going to be a little bit anime but its still a good game. Full Release Slash already overshadows ZSD due to its damage, ease of access, utility, and good follow ups that allow it to be used infinitely. I do so hope you have fun with Switch Axe in Wilds, even if the full game comes out and I don't like the complete experience, I'm married to this weapon so I'm not going to drop it LOL
Bro im ascending to heaven with how hunting horn has been perfected then i see how dirty swaxe is being done and go damn thats the first weapon i ever used 😢
yeah rise switch axe was so good the sheer movement and morphing was so smooth, I realized I really took it for granted after replaying world. I think ill just use lance for wilds, that weapon rarely changes much.
No, man, you are completely spot on I mained SWA in Rise World and GU recently for my entire playthroughs of each, and in Wilds, I immediately noticed the changes, and it felt so off and disjointed. My friend was playing Insect Glaive and out dpsing me, which was insane because the SWA is supposed to be an all-or-nothing offensive weapon. SWA feels the best in rise, and Axe mode is really fun to use when you need to reach or want to hit specific parts they need to make it rewarding to use. Great video i agree with literally every point keep up the great content!
It was such a jarring feeling too, wondering if I'm playing wrong or if I'm suddenly washed. I had a similar experience to you except one of my friends was playing Long Sword and Charge Blade and I just couldn't keep up even against CB. The aggression of switch axe should be capable of more.
@@tyler-xo3rb the expansions have a fantastic track record of giving us almost everything we want for the weapons wwhen we QQ about them so it does seem like well placed hope at least.
RiseBreak Swaxe is my favourite iteration of the weapon. So many ways to morph between Sword and Axe Mode and it all feels buttery smooth. Now we can't morph into Sword mode without attacking first...
Finally, a switch axe user who understands. Someone who has actual hours devoted to the weapon and can express this stuff properly. Thank you for existing.
Rise SA was practically perfect, they finally make full use of the "switch" in its name, I was looking forward to Wilds, then this happen. It's 4U>Gen CB all over again for me, even worse is CB also feels off in Wilds, so I lost both my main weapons...
Seems so, it kinda annoys me when they're trying to push different playstyle than what the weapons originally are. I'm no LS or GS main, but I quite enjoyed the old sustained DPS LS not the dodge counter spam, and Crit Draw GS instead of Tackle TCS (inb4 original GS can't charge in MH1, yeah, that's why Surge Slash is awesome)
I love freedom of choice, if you wanna SAED spam or Savage axe, you should be frer to do so without so many limitations, even if one is more efficient than the other. And old LS in sync with fade slash but its been irrelevant for a bit due to the counters
Swaxe felt like shit either I’m dropping the weapon in wilds or I’m just not gonna play wilds if it doesn’t get changed. I fucking hate full release slash
Bottled water is nice but the pollution of the oceans is not and is going to be a death knell to a lot of species so you can't really blame people pushing alternatives. That's my only objection with this video.
Tried the beta and was completely lost as to why I couldn't recreate my World's performance (700h+ with the SA), and... yeah they removed the gauge gain when you morph. Baffling decision, made the weapon near unplayable. The amped state and phial management in World were simply good enough. Then it appeared that the ZSD became useless and you can't clutch claw while doing the standing discharge anymore, also a big hit. Mobility was okay. As for the feeling of the weapon, Axe mode lacked weight during most attacks like the overhead slash and the sweeping morph attack, it's a shame, the weapon felt too smooth. Even the phial explosions in sword felt meh. I would love for the standing discharge grappling combo animation from Iceborne to actually get s or be a counter (while keeping the small delay), this would give more incentive the use ZSD. Phial bursts in axe mode and the idea of the tempest axe would be really nice as well. In short, identical Iceborne gameplay + some Rise moves/buffs, paired with the focus mode and that's it, why is it so hard.
When the community update drop and seeing the changes for SwAxe, the weapon i use and love since freaking MH 3rd Portable. The change make me feel like the dev dislike develop the weapon or seeing it as hastle for work with. From then i were waiting for video from people have more influence than nobody me to speakout for the SwAxe.I thought no one care about it anymore because most SwAxe enjoy ytber hasnt drop any vid bout the changes right after the update. Thank you, last few week really sad for a Swaxe main like me
You can feel when the weapon has tender love and care, that's why I'm willing to criticize it because there's questionable design choices despite us coming off the backs of Rise.
The thing about the community that really frustrates me is fans are overly positive or overly negative, theres no inbetween or room for actusl discussion anymore. I'm at a point where im just gonna get used to Wilds combat and wait for the next non numbered title and hope the Weapon changes from Wilds weren't all permanent. Cuz bringing up potential negatives about Wilds or godforbid praising something from Rise seems to get you dogpiled.
And don't forget criticizing World. That gets people crucified fr. I do miss the genuine discussions, because even if GU is my favorite, I'll just as quickly criticize it as I would praise it. That balance is healthy
This is about the 3rd or 4th time I've went "oh so it wasn't just me" when I look into why it just didn't feel right to me. I had to check again now that we're less than a month away from launch, and I found your video. Been playing Switch Axe since Tri/3U, exclusively since 4U, and it was the most fun I have ever had with it in Rise. But even without the Rise upgrades, I didn't feel like a fish out of water back when I was playing World either, which was my favorite MH until Rise. Was hoping Wilds would take that crown next. Still do, despite the beta results. When you have spent so much time with it, you just know these things. Thanks for highlighting and describing what I felt in ways I couldn't find the words for, and here's to a few surprises on launch day 🍻
Lol actually thinking about it, thats true! I do want them to go back to Rise because I want them to build and improve off that formula with Wilds. Just like how each sequel built off the other, thats how they shoulda done it
On the topic of Sword mode gaining an Offset, I think a more natural way to add one in and to not effect the other weapons too much would be to make it an Offset Morph attack (Or similarly, a button combo the morphs from Sword into an Offset Rising-slash); Just really like the idea of an Offset Morph attack; think it can look fairly flashy and would work with the overall identity of SWAX, the ability to morph and attack quickly
Another comment made meaware that if sword is given an offset, it would be overshadowing axe again and thats definitely a goof point so Idk if Im still on board but that morph idea might be nice
It's a real shame that they miss the mark with some of the weapons, we can only really cross our fingers and hope that the expansion might address everything fully. I used to be one of those people who'd complain about people complaining because I only played one weapon (hammer) but I've made a real effort to learn everything so going into the Wilds OBT and trying Swaxe left me feeling disappointed.
Yeah, I don't know how there was such a misfire with these weapons. I'm getting the sense that there's a particularly odd focus on giving every weapon more cinematic or flashy finisher attacks. I'm really hoping that most of what we're seeing here isn't finished and perhaps the final version will be drastically improved
Really great video and don't ever be afraid to speak your mind, you'll never be able to please everyone anyway. While I do agree with all the critisicm Wilds' Swaxe gets and would love to see all kinds of buffs to the weapon I can't help it but say I had so much fun with the weapon during the beta... the damage was too low overall (including FRS being the only viable move as an issue) and the chip damage was way too much on successful parries, those were my two main complaints. But after getting used to the new mechanics and movset changes I had such a blast again. Maybe it is because I really like Iceborne's version.. even more than Sunbreaks' iteration of Swaxe and I really like the attempt of capcom to push both modes into relevancy... some minor adjustments would be fine for me already but if they implemented all things you listed for example that'd be even better I guess. Thank you for the effort that went into making that video!
Thank you as well! Yeah this version does feel closer to that of World than anything else. I'm just afraid of endgame mostly, cuz once skills are introduced, its a wrap basically
@BuccaVf Armor Skills. If this game is going off of World's mechanics, then phial bursts and discharge explosions will be able to crit. So critical eye, weakness exploit, critical boost if they're available are stronger options. If Focus affects how much gauge the axe can generate, then pairing it with power prolonger will make Full Release spam more accessible. We just don't have a comprehensive list of the skills or gametime to know how it'll go
I think this always happens to every game series. Once a weapon is close to perfect they keep making changes and end up ruining it. I´m not talking about Swaxe specifically.
Lancer here. No clue about SA outside of world were i tried it a little. Sad to here SA didnt get what it needed, they pretty much nailed with lance (outside the fact that we still dont know if the running speed of the dash attack will be faster than a snail again and that it could be a bit flashier) Fringers crossed for the SA mains, that you still get the changes you wanted. (though the one thing i will say is that they mentioned that all weapons will get Motion value changes, with the focus on the weaker ones being buffed. So i think at least in the damage department SA and Lance will be alright there, if that is any consulation)
@MahnsterHunter well i do know that not all changes were listed. Some lance mains went through the closed preview footage and noted that the high thrust were faster, which they didnt list or mention in the update video, but them being slow was a common complaint for lancers. So there is still a good chance these werent all changes to the SA. My Fingers are crossed for you guys
Sweet vid. I agree with most of your points minus the passive regen and sword mode getting an offset. My biggest grip with the weapon was that it felt like my only objective was being in sword mode as much as I can. With the removal of passive gen we have to use axe mode so I kind of like that but I wish there was just a better solution.
Thanks! The issue switch axe has had since 3rd gen is that being in sword mode is always preferrable to axe. Throughout the years, they've been adding more ways to maintain sword mode uptime. I like the idea of returning passive regen but lowering the amount of gauge gained from axe attacks. Yes, active generation can give axe more use in a broad sense, but the bigger picture is that it generates meter so fast you aren't really using axe mode more. Plus, the people who cant hit the monsters are not going to be able to generate meter. If they're bad but resourceful they can just sheathe and let it passively generate which, when sheathed in Wilds, is the fastest base regen compared to previous games both sheathed and in axe mode.
And it doesn't fill instantly, instead only filling when the next phial is loaded. No more cheesey 1 frame reloads before roar/tremor. I would love it if reload speed or Load Shells could affect Switch Axe. Make it look like generations energy charge
After seeing the changes to Switch Axe, I felt the same we do have some of the same points! Here are a my changes that I feel are reasonable given to what they have changed for other weapons (listed from most likely to happen, to less likely) Being able to hold the offset attack Same "Amped state" buff on the "axe mode" as in the "sword mode" More Direction inputs on the fade slash 2 - staged Morph Slash Combo worked into base moveset Reworked Axe combos /new axe followups after "Spiral Burst Slash" for axe mode (Listed from most important changes, to less important) Same "Amped state" buff on the "axe mode" as in the "sword mode" Reworked Axe combos /new axe followups after "Spiral Burst Slash" for axe mode Being able to hold the offset attack 2 - staged Morph Slash Combo worked into base moveset More Direction inputs on the fade slash Let me know what you think!
I'll answer each of those in order. If they do make a delayed Offset, it might have to be universal to every weapon (excluding GS cuz it can charge) Agreed, the phial bursts not being there is so confusing to me. We talkin axe: fade slash or sword: downward fade slash? Either way, being omnidirectional sure beats just going backward If they add 2 stage, they're definitely going to butcher it. The switch gauge and amped state fill rate would give another reason to be in axe mode. The controls would probably be weird since we still have Wide Sweep and Heavy Slam. Maybe triangle + circle/ Y + B or R2 + Triangle/RT + Y?? Compared to Sword mode, axe definitely lacks in attack variety and strings. Maybe giving it new pathways could help. Funny enough, they changed neutral triangle/y from being overhead slash to being side slash. Probably cuz they wanted spiral burst to be used.
I've already long accepted that I'm probably not going to be playing switch axe in wilds, but man... that community update really gave me all that hope only to crush it into dust
Personally, I understand your criticisms and would like to share my take of changes that would probably help. 1. Axe mode in general needs a speed boost. I mained SWA for GU and my favorite way to play was Valor style with Tempest axe. The speed allowed me to take advantage of openings I could see but not act on before. Plus it would make the weapon feel more responsive. To finish this point, a small 5% boost would be good enough. 2. Power Axe mode should be removed, because it is already unnecessary maintenance on top of amped state. This weapon already has so much going on that having to manage 3! meters on top of it is ludicrous. I felt this way in world, then rise and again in wilds. (That said, the speed boost buff idea is a good compromise) 3. There should be benefits to using wild swing for more than 3 swings. I'll take anything, but the easiest that comes to mind would be the buff that we got in world. Personally I would like the Tempest Axe speed up mechanic and that should lead into enhanced finishers. Namely, faster, more hits, natural mind's eye or what not. 4. Stop Full Release Slash from being usable from neutral. Lock it behind special moves like the counter and elemental discharge or something of the sort. Make me work for it.
I'll respond to each 1. Seconded. There has to be some type of incentive to want to be in axe mode that isn't just "charge the better half" 2. LOL WOAH Iunno, maybe if they made the buff last longer considering there's 3 different finisher attacks that activate the buff. But in Rise it was the most useless because it would immediately deactivate the moment you gained amped state. 3. Yeah I'm more than likely going to use Wild swing the same way I did in World, which was just one hit and immediate Wide Sweep. The tempest axe speed boost would go so hard. 4. Putting it behind an attack could be a method, but if I learned anything from SAED being locked behind AED, it might not be the best choice.
@@MahnsterHunter One thing that can't be known is how the monsters move. In 4U the way monsters move, lets you pull off elemental discharges fairly consistently. Try doing that in Rise. Its even harder in Sunbreak, so full release can be balanced like that. On another note, it can be the best DPS as long as there are other options that get close to its damage output. Taking all this into consideration, the hyper armor change is bad move for the depth of the weapon, but it is a great addition for new players picking up the weapon for the first time. This is a change catering to someone else, not me. In my mind, a great compromise would be to make ZSD and ED do more damage than this, because both of these moves require more forethought, positioning, build up and timing to get the most out of them. It would turn this move into a cool new addition, instead of your best choice for all situations. P.S. My favorite move is the Double Discharge from valor SWA in GU.
For me it was the other way around for 4U. I hardly touch ED unless the monster is recovering from a stagger or mount. Rusted Kushala is nightmare fuel. It's true that it might help players new to the weapon succeed, but it's also going to make advanced players lethal. If ED and ZSD were to do more damage, it might be used the same way it was in Rise where if the monster is down then you'd just combo it until its about to get up and ZSD. P.S. Based Choice. I'm a Wide Sweep enjoyer
Been looking forward to this one. Was getting frustrated listening to UA-camrs and fans who didn't play the weapon praise the changes and glaze the devs for listening.
I LOVE watching other players be upset with Capcoms changes to their favourite weapon. Because people ripped into me when rise came out and and they “removed” HH and replaced it with some extremely lame, blunt dual blades. HH got butchered in rise, now other weapons are getting butchered in wilds and the pettiness in me is being satisfied.
@@MahnsterHunterI do hope they fix any issues people have though. If not at the games release, hopefully at the inevitable g rank expansion. But right now, from just trailers and the beta, suffer as I have! Lol.
Such an under rated comment. It really shines a light on the idea that people don’t care about balance or anything of the like they just want their favorite weapon to play exactly like they think it should play.
Or simply boost the overall damage of SA and put the full release on CD like with the wyvern fire from the gunlance. It would force you to dps with the rest of your kit most of the time, and since rapid morph is in that game, axe mode will probably be somewhat relevant.
Crazy as it seems, I actually like the idea of FRS on cooldown. And if Rapid Morph is done the same as Wild, its less about axeode being relevant and more about the morphing mechanic becoming relevant again
@@MahnsterHunter Tbh I don't (personally) really care if axe mode is only a tool for movement and enhancing sword mode, but the fluid morphing between the two was really feeling nice. The fact that with the SWITCH axe you have to SWITCH during you best dps combo felt very natural even though Rise was the first MH game I played where it was your best option. Puting the FRS in cd is a option that is both simple and also keeps the relevance of both the FRS itself and the rest of the kit. I really like that over the top move, I think it should stay relevant, even though I agree that the gameplan tu only play toward that goal is not ideal. (still had a lot of fun during the bêta, and I will still enjoy SA even if they don't change anything.) And my ideas are definitely not crazy since they are my ideas ! (Wait that doesn't prove anything...)
I dont quite get all the people saying the changes are bad when we literally havent been able to even use them yet and we dont know exactly how the changes will work and also every new game i believe should be taken as the game it is and not go compare it to previous games its suppose to be a different experience (i wrote this before watching the entire video btw)
Lol no worries. The issue stems from the OBT we experienced. Full Release was strong and spammable. By buffing sword damage, axe regen, and giving FRS knockback res(hyper armor), it further bolsters that playstyle
@MahnsterHunter it definitely does seem like they're trying to promote a more sword mode centered playstyle I just hope other styles are viable on release
The thing to remember they said those where part of the changes. We do not know all number changes they may go more in depth. As a non SA player I am not trying to say there are no problems or they will be fixed I have no clue after all. The video was very informative, I hope some of the things will be addressed after all SA was one of those the journalists were recommondated to not play for a lot of changes coming to it
I started with frontiers with my friend in which I was a long sword main but In the beat I tried the switch axe and really enjoyed it, so much that when I got world I played with the switch axe I didn't notice much difference ( I did not know how to use it though and I probably didn't use even a fourth of the move set )
People who think wilds switch axe is an upgrade probably haven’t properly explored the beauty that is rise SA For every person who actually played rise SA that somehow thought wilds SA was better in this demo, there are like 7 other rise SA players who disagree with that guy.
LOL It was just such a great amalgamation of mechanics. My only dislike was how Rapid Morph and Phial Switch Boost were a necessity but other wise, it handled like a dream car
the devs have been very vigilant this time about hearing player feedback so hopefully if enough people share the same sentiment they could fix this, but unfortunately its impossible to know if the majority of players also feel this way
It could be if the axe mode was a bit more important but it mainly focuses on using Sword mode. Although, in this game with how its playstyle is, it could be seen as a variation of the Charge Blade store & dump
I'm still pissed that they removed Player action setting from the options, Which was a setting in rise that let you play using Preworld Controls, like R+X+A to draw into guard, rather then R2 And it let me actually not make R1 always sheath into sprint, and let me guard and run with the same button.... Which is really annoying I couldn't.
And I'm also annoyed that apparently NO one else seems to care for this setting... I've heard not just no one else saying it's gone but mostly people asking what this even is to begin with.... I want my customization back capcom... why....
Dude yes. Every game I play I immediatly go to settings. I really hope the final product has classic commands cuz I do not like using R2. I know some people think its nitpicky or whatever but I like having the CHOICE. I wouldnt want people who like using R2 not to have it, but I want my R1 morphs and R1+Triangle+Circle draws/special attacks
@@MahnsterHunter I don't have taht big of a voice So I can't cause any kind of scene to get capcom to make this setting return... The best I can do is spread word in comments, and I don't think that's anywhere near enough... but ya I remember when I first loaded up rise I spent probably 2 hours just fiddling with settings till it felt good to use. Player Action setting as well as I swapped L1/L2 and R1/R2, because I played on joycons and they're easier to hit. I was unable to play wilds as my computer isn't anywhere near strong enough but I did download it simply to get access to the settings menu because I asked so many people if player action setting made a return, and no one responded or said idk what you're asking for.... It did infact not return....
The speed of that back morph is my favorite change you pointed out. Morphing In rise with rapid morph as starter attacks is God like. I've gone back to world after playing rise, and it feels icky In comparison. Frontier has me using the gigantic beam gauge and spamming wild swing with the biggest of sabers. I just love just swinging. I hope there is a general phial boost that boosts :Saed ,aed, and all of the switch axes discharges. I hope that skill is unrevealed or in an expansion. Editted, cause I can't edit from mobile.*
I'm gonna be surprised if fade slash becomes a meta combo route. I haven't tried frontier yet, but I'd really like to, especially since they're pulling more frontier related content nowadays. I dunno if there's gonna be skills for phial related aspects, but it would certainly be cool to see
@@MahnsterHunter Do yourself a favor and get access to Charging fade clashes in frontier it feel so good, and im not even good at using them for i frames yet. i use them fro positioning and keeping up the flow.
Y'know, that's true cuz it is different from my usual. I have two different thumbnail styles now, one for "educational" videos and the other for general content but I might do away wuth the latter.
HELLS YEA dude, apparently im not crazy. I know something feels off but i just dont know what. My take when first time playing the beta was “i hope rapid morph can fix this”
Me when the vaster casual community sees bad change and celebrates and will kick anyone who disagrees in the shins but people who actually know and understand the weapon are in shambles
I hate knocback resistance on moves, it's not only scrubby it's also boring. I play SA because it is a hard to use weapon with close to none defensive options and little mobility, for example using hops that are harder to use defensively but stronger offensively. Giving me more ease of use changes won't fix the weapon for me.
I appreciate that, P3rd is phenomenal game but definitely try out the other Switch Axes! The only thing holding 3rd gen axes back is the weapons itself
I do agree with some of the things in this. While I enjoyed wild swaxe, saying it's perfect isn't true. As stated in the video, being nothing but positive can be harmful. Kinda like rise/sunbreak with some aspects. Reducing gauge consumption, power axe mode giving increased gauge build but also having part breaker affect like in world would make axe mode much more useful in creating openings
I like rise's switchaxe but I think it deviates from its predecessors a bit too much for it to be put in the more grounded wilds, with some moveset changes and stats modifications wilds switchaxe could been really good but hey I didn't expect much from their change since the community seemed to like how the switchaxe played in the beta unfortunately. Maybe by the time I finish the first playthrough someone would've made a mod to fix it. And honestly it would have been fine if it wasn't for us seeing how intuitive LS and GL behave now, and the massive difference in speedrun times of almost all weapons vs. switchaxe. I think there was someone who analysed the beta speedruns, and the swax (which was always a DPS machine that lacked defensive options) was second to last place. Kinda shows how bad we are getting it.
And if anyone's curious, in world there was two mods that changed how it fundamentally worked and it was kinda refreshing, I think one was called rose style switch axe the balancing was off tho
I like the changes made in Rise, but Rise is a faster paced game, so some of the speed and ease of access can't translate to Wilds. At the very least, it could stand to make additions that still fit the title itself. The weighty feel of Wild should still be prevalent
FINALLY SOMEONE MENTIONING WIDE SWEEP HORRIBLE WORLD CHANGE. Sorry for the caps. But thankfully someone else mentioned it DAYUM! Okay, I do have some quarrels though. In my opinion having Sword Mode parry is good enough to not require a full fledge Offset Attack like in Axe Mode (it's already nice we have both lol) On another note, I think there's one major problem with the passive refillment of the Sword gauge just by waiting with weapon unsheath. To me it just allowed entering Sword Mode whenever you wanted without it actually respecting the weapon core design in my opinion. Not that I'm entirely glad it's gone but it's like ZSD, I don't like it when it feels unbalanced. Having Spiral Slash giving that much bar and Savage Swing that few is strange. It should be equivalent between any Axe strikes in my opinion, so it invites players to try various playstyles. Full Release Slash it's... Horizontal SAED. I'm not mad at it but I don't think I ever played the weapon to just spam the hell out of a super move for the win. I mean I did ZSD spam in World in particuliar, but mostly because I felt like I had to since I can't normal ED in Amped Mode. But that's just my opinion on all this. Great video and glad to see I'm not the only one to HATE World Wide Sweep.
LOL Thanks! Wide Sweep is my favorite attack in the entire kit, knowing its just relegated to an auto morph is just blegh. I'll answer those individually. Yeah, another chatter made me recognize a sword mode offset wasn't necessary and could overshadow the axe even more In previous games, it was common to blow meter and remain in axe mode/sheathed while it recovered slowly or just reload at a good time. Passive regen isn't necessarily a bad thing, especially when you're incapable of retaliating against a monster that is hyper aggressive. In Wilds, more particularly the OBT, sheathing the weapon allowed it to regen the fastest its ever been in the series. Its funny that they call FRS a finishing move but nothing about how its used feels like a finisher. Sure, it can be chained into but lord knows you can just pop that whenever you want and usually during a time when monsters are taking forever to do something. Most commonly seen with Rey Dau. Then they gave it hyper armor. Which means rather than using the counter, I could just hit the monster to get its attention, FRS through the roar, and carry on like normal.
@MahnsterHunter I agree with FRS, it's really strong without it really being... I dunno, meaningful. I feel like Sunbreak just had it going in a certain way that allowed everything to stick together. With Wilds it's kinda gone even though they attempt to do more with it. The refillment has one important point now, it refills when you sheath the weapon but not when it's in Axe Mode like in previous games. Which is good to me. I never felt like it was helping the Axe to simply have natural buildup for the Sword Mode that then wouldn't deplete as fast as it does in Wilds. Because in my opinion it kinda takes away what Switch Axe should be about. It should "Switch" lol. The gauge build-up and depletion is pretty good by design, it works for the weapon as you really could use everything... But it feels failed in how it's balanced refillment wise. It's like Spiral Burst Slash does everything for no other reason than being a new move. If there's a fix to do for me it would be... damage balancing, "Wide Sweep" over "Morph Sweep", gauge build-up balancing so it's not nullifying Savage Swing Vs Spiral Burst Slash or Heavy Slam. I don't know about you but in any case it's good discussion.
Thats what hurts the changes the most. Spiral burst slash being so good just nullifies everything else. Sure, you could offset but thats not gonna happen often unless seeking for it. Rise's morph mechanics is the closest we'll get to the Switch Axe switching. Wilds has its playstyle similar to World with minimal changes here and there but thrn FRS and Spiral clears in usage
The MH community is full of toxic positivity, so having a channel that doles out the occasional bit of constructive criticism is actually kind of needed. So A) just flat out ignore the "sTOp HaTInG"-crowd and B) please keep making great Swaxe content - it is very appreciated by a lot of us.
Most of these points are great, but how would soaring wyvern work? In Rise it used a resource, granted it was one that refilled passively and rather quickly, but misuse could still lead to missing a wirebug when you most needed it. The hammer solved this by making the dash cost a rather hefty amount of stamina, which the hammer already passively consumes during charge, making it so that using it even twice during a single charge could leave you out of stamina and unleashing that charged attack on nothing. What would the Switch Axe need to sacrifice in order to significantly cut down on ZSD recovery? What resource does the Switch Axe have that it isn't already starved of? And if there is no such cost or risk, why wouldn't you just use it every single time? Why even make it optional?
Fair point. Hammer Keeping Sway in Wilds doesn't look like it consumes that much stamina when I compare beta footage to IGN Japan gameplay, cuz they can do it 4-5 times while charging without running close to no stamina. For Switch Axe, Zero Sum Discharge was dealt with differently in World and Rise. World required players to use early finisher due to finishing discharge taking too long to recover. Meanwhile, Rise allowed evade cancelling early or soaring wyvern which promoted the use of Soaring Wyvern Blade. Not to mention the damage types, gauge cost, and durability are different as world is strictly cutting on explosions, eats hella gauge, and has no KBR compared to Rise. In Wilds, it works the same as it does in World except the startup frames are longer even after double/triple slash or heavenward flurry and the recovery frames takes forever. Full Release Slash is always going to overpower it as a damage option by sheer utility, recovery, and damage. This change is taking my changes into account since my stance is to lessen FRS and Spiral Burst gauge generation. Wilds ZSD gauge consumption is hefty even on an early discharger, so the most reasonable way to balance SWB would be not allowing it to be activated from the ground (cuz you can't grapple air) which locks it behind ZSD only and making it consume more switch gauge than Rise as to not allow it to be spammable. Since Rise's ability to generate gauge on morphing was strong when following up SWB with a grounded morph slash, Wilds obviously is going to have to put in the work considering axe attacks generate gauge now. It all really boils down to gauge cost and situation. No doubt you could make a ZSD or FRS focused set when we get access to skills, so having things like power prolonger and focus might make it more useful unless you know how to work the gauge.
hey, i dont know if the point was including every change you wanted from the base obt version but some of those changes did happen, from the changes we saw sword damage has been basically doubled(more like 2.5?) and less gauge, they also made so you can counter roars with the counter and less dmg (this has been a thing since tgs24 but the beta is from like early 2024), it also seem like from what they said you should get more by morphing but they just said that without any other reference to us so it's up in the air bc it's so vague
@@MahnsterHunter youtu.be/o..mLB8KFXkfY?si=w-sQyPVMHlH-5gwT&t=838 sorry for my boomer moment lol, also the guy takes a nova, and maybe the chip dmg was adjusted by then alr
The Rise Swaxe glazing is so based, what a breath of fresh air from all this "WILDS SWAXE IS AMAZING!!!111!!!" non-sense. Excited for what they end up cooking in the final release.
First of all great video btw... secondly... and PLEASE don't eat me alive for saying this... I agree with everything you said (except Sword Offset we don't really need that AND I actually hated the ZSD knockdown of Rise but that's just me) the weapon needs a lot of improvements, make axe mode great again, bring back Rise double morphs, decrease Sword gauge consumption... etc... BUT... aren't we all blowing this out of proportion? I feel like the weapon in the beta wasn't as bad as people make it out to be.... sure it's a step back from Rise but if the weapon didn't get any changes done to it in the full release I personally wouldn't feel like it's gonna be the end of the world... PLEASE if I'm being stupid and missing the point explain it to me like I'm 5 cuz I cannot see why people are so worked up over this. P.S. I feel like you have something against Tokuda-san... it's okay I won't let him take your lunch again.
LOL I'm not gonna eat you! It's fine if you enjoyed your time with the weapon in the open beta. The reason it has such a blowback is how passionate people are about it. If you enjoyed it in OBT even though it was in a bad state, you'll still enjoy it, maybe even more, if the devs worked harder on it. Thing is, if you take into account full equipment, final tree weapons, skills available in the game etc, you can soft predict how it could affect the weapon. If Wilds works like World, then the phial bursts and explosions can deal critical damage. If they try to reduce skill levels to make for less clutter, you could full offense or go for utility like focus and power prolonger to spam Full Release indefinitely. Especially now with knockback res on FRS. The weapon is made around spamming it, so that's the reward and it takes away from how the weapon's identity that has persisted despite its changes. Each new game is supposed to improve what came before it, but this current version feels very off. I've been trying to learn Japanese and doing the whole exposure thing by watching Japanese yoitubers and plenty of them were just as upset with their respective weapons as we are. Same Lance complaints, same Gunlance praise. I don't have a grudge against Tokuda, its just that his decisions in World I didn't agree with. Ultimately, these choices do fall to the director since they are not only the face but also the head. Ichinose kinda dropped the ball on Apex monsters in Rise, and Fujioka for the problems I labeled about 4U.
@@MahnsterHunter Yeah I see what you're trying to convey, like I said I echo a lot (but not all) of the sentiment around the weapon from the OBT, Rise Swaxe was the best version of the weapon and they should've focused on it, and FRS spam will get boring quickly just as ZSD spam in World was... But again I feel like whenever I see people talk about the weapon from the OBT it's as if it's the end of the world even though it never felt like that to me, to me it just felt like a shift in a different direction, an unnecessary shift but one nonetheless. Here's hoping the devs actually listen and that the changes they spoke about weren't final, they fixed the OBT Insect Glaive after all and gave it new toys on top. Also I know you don't hate Tokuda I was just pulling your leg, all the directors have made good and bad decisions... that's part of being a director.
I think what a lot of people feel is that its too late to change and that if these were the changes, then the rest of the weapon is cooked. If its gotta be handled during expansion, then we just gotta rock as best we can until then pretty much
Im not a big fan of having a wider window for the parry, but it seems that its more effective if you do it with better timing? my worry was having it become a "stance" counter like most in Rise, even tho SA was pretty fun in that game imho
Its a get out of jail free card on that extension if you have enough health pretty much. I may love Rise, but I know EBC giving 100% amped fill rate was pretty damn bonkers
Capcom buffing full release slash is like frostcraft in sunbreak buffing amatsu strongarm stance TCS further rather than breathing life back into crit draw. At this stage, I'm no longer surprised when they pull this shit.
@@MahnsterHunter Frostcraft was applicable to the amatsu strongarm stance strategy which only maintained/widened the gap between the playstyles since they both benefited, and with frostcraft being a percentage bonus, TCS got the better deal.
@@MahnsterHunter The original playstyle was neglected relative to these new tools, I've seen surge slash builds and they can work pretty well, you can see the parallels here with the dev's current mindset toward SA design favoring the fancy new tricks over the pre-established flow.
I find it funny that that one comment is calling out Tokuda specifically... Did you play Rise, bro? That game had serious balancing issues. It's not just the one team. Both have strengths and weaknesses, because they're humans. My view of amped state and full release is rather simple. Sure, let full release be the pure damage option, not to such an extreme, but let ZSD be viable for damage with defensive utility. FRS should not have ANY damage mitigation what so ever. Give it resistance to interruption, so taking minor hits doesn't waste it but also so that things like the black flame's fire cone would roast you alive if you were dumb enough to use it at the wrong time. Give each of those attack, that use the same resource, a niche. That's all you have to do, that and don't make FRS all of its damage.
I can't remember which comment, but yup. Each game has major flaws, even my favorites. And FRS taking normal damage is probably a good idea. It could make people think twice about doing so unless they decide to alter their sets like divine blessing, stun res, defender hi etc etc to counter that issue
@@MahnsterHunter Yeah, it makes defensive skills more viable but also makes the choice to use FRS or ZSD matter a whole lot more. You pick either just damage or less damage and damage mitigation.
I agree with pretty much every single point tbh. Continue cooking and never get cold feet again. Only thing I think would be a nice compromise is passive switch gauge regen while sheathed being increased, while with your weapon out it's decreased, but not zero.
Counter having chip damage is ridiculous when longsword doesn't have it in any of them, at least i hope guard skill work on it, it would be a nice way to spice things up
I don't think guard will work on it but if it does that'd be insane to pair with Offensive Guard. I was thinking of just going for resentment since I'm gonna take the hit if I do CRS or Offset
@@MahnsterHunter offensive guard swax would be awesome imo, it would make the weapon have a fun skill ceiling, whatever is better than full release spam gameplay
What if the switch gauge was actually charged by switching between modes/ morph attacks. So once you do enough in both axe and sword mode you can go crazy with the full release slash before starting the cycle again. Edit: maybe amped state instead of the switch gauge that makes more sense now that I think about it lol
I'm not gonna lie my hype for wilds is gone because the weapons feel like they are made with sticks and tape lol weapon feel is the most important thing for me
Nice to hear another swaxe main pick up on these issues. I'll admit being a new veteran since world I thought I'd pick up on these better, but even though I sensed something wrong I couldn't put my finger on anything. I just knew my sword mode was depleted faster than a fly on crack. I'm excited for wilds and I'll still use swaxe even if they dont improve it, but that doesn't mean it won't require improvement. That and I know people get annoyed by zsd spam but it's still a style of play and its fun, don't hate on us for enjoying our favorite move and having fun unless it's truly interrupting the hunt.
I remember when Rise first came out, I was spamming Compressed Finishing Discharge and Switch Charger. My friends did not enjoy getting blasted every second, but when I ZSD everything is fine
I think CB will be okay, the fact that Savage Axe and SAED not being mutually exclusive anymore (since Savage Axe doesn't run out when you dump all your phials as it's on a timer) was a great change and we couldn't fully see the power of AED/SAED playstyle due to no skills in the beta. Offensive guard + guard 1/3 would probably make AED/SAED nutty. But as someone who also mains SA... man. It does feel like whoever is in charge doesn't fully understand the weapon, 4U, GU, and World's iterations were pretty great although I think Rise's was a little too morph spammy (like Valor SA). Hopefully they lock in and make it better cause I was planning on bringing CB and SA to every hunt!
I think the only thing lefts for Charge Blade is to see how it fairs without being able to SAED from neutral and if element phials will be worth it. Impact Phials seems like it'll be pretty good since it has ED's and Savage Axe, but element might be cooked in this game if the values can't keep up. Just like base Rise. I'd probably say still give it a shot at CB + SA, I'm still hopeful that there's more they haven't showed up.
That's disappointing what they've done. I tried swaxe in gen U but I bounced off of it because it seemed like the axe mode was pretty pointless and easy to skip, (I think I was valor?). When you skip the axe part what you're then left with is basically just a watered down greatsword, which is what I ended up playing instead. In world I bounced off charge blade for the same reason, I thought the idea of the weapon is you have a fast S&S and a slow Axe but in practice you don't really get to choose which one you get to use and when, you kinda always gotta follow the chargeblade script. I ended up playing both sword and shield and greatsword in World, which individually I found each of those weapons to be wayyyy more interesting that the whole charge blade package. I think their whole philosophy behind transforming weapons is just fundamentally wrong. Their whole idea is, "you use these moves so you can transform and then use these better moves". It feels like you're always on a script and the game makes a lot of decisions for you. I think the way it should be is: you have these strong but flawed moves in each mode, together you have the perfect weapon but you never have access to all of the moves at once.
That's why I appreciate World and Rise's morphing changes, there was more thought to the mechanic itself, even though sword was still the primary mode to be in. Charge Blade sword mode might be more egregious since its only used to give the axe additional damage on phial bursts or blowing it all on SAED
put over 400 hours into world and currently playing through sunbreak, have completed base rise. I def like world better, rise is definitely still fun, and in the beta besides the damage being low I had a ton of fun with my beloved swaxe. I wasn't rlly having many problems besides my sword mode lasting a bit too short, and overall really like the weapon, largely because as of now, I prefer world switch axe over rise and to me in the beta it really just felt like world swaxe with cool new moves to do. I do understand some of these problems, I'm guessing part of the reason i'm not seeing them all super well is because I really like world swaxe, please tell me if there is something I'm missing.
No no, you're not really missing anything. The way you feel about World Switch Axe is justified as it's your personal opinion. I started in 4U, and each time a new game came out, I loved the new version of the weapon because it built off the last. The reason I love Rise Switch Axe the most is because it not only built off the previous versions but also gave so many new features that I didn't even know the weapon needed. Amped state affecting axe with more morph attacks and utility among other things. Its not without its flaws, but it was the most fun I had with the weapon.
i disagree, ur points revolve around a single premise: that axe is solely there for charging axe mode nothing wrong with rethinking that premise which is what capcom seems to have in mind. to me it seems that capcom wants to make axe more meaningful to be in by making sword only a little better than axe then making the finisher even more important than always beeing in sword mode so that players are insentivised to go axe --> sword --> finisher ---> repeat. Its true thzat axe mode only had that one purpose ur speaking of. but to me that made it so that the time spent in axe mode didnt feel good.
It's not bad that they were trying to consider it, it's just the execution. Sword mode was always more important, and by making axe charge the sword while buffing sword numbers just repeats history a different way
Since I haven't played rise/break, I didn't follow all of your requests. I think passive regen on axe mode is almost necessary for the mode's usefulness. Spiral Burst seems like a good addition. Less switch gauge consumption on sword mode would be nice. I am confused at why both Sword and Axe form should have an offset, when sword mode has a parry. I am pretty new to the series but am liking world's swaxe and the risk reward of zsd vs dps chain (assuming you don't mantle spam).
Yeah someone in the comments earlier pointed out that giving sword an offset would diminish another aspect of Axe mode and I honestly didn't even think about that before having two parries.
The argument about buffing axe mode to be more relevant is just silly im kinda sick of hearing it. Either sword or axe mode is ALWAYS going to do more dps than the other mode, and whichever mode that is, is the mode that people will ALWAYS be looking to use. Complaining about wanting to be in sword mode all the time for optimal dps is just redundant since if axe mode had optimal dps then people would just have the same argument but flipped. People also seem to forget that this is a beta where we have terrible gear. Switch axe has always been a weapon that’s fairly weak early game and really starts to shine once you start getting solid skill. We know skills like rapid morph are making a return in wilds so let’s just wait and see how the weapon feels with some actual decent skills and actual decent weapon that isn’t the basic starter one ey
You're hearing about it now more than ever because the gap between them keeps expanding while they try to add reasons to be in axe. If they want real reasons to be in axe mode, they have to truly apply it on all levels rather than bandaid fixes to get you back to sword quicker. You're taking the main point a different direction by saying "...if axe mode had optimal dps..." because its not about making it MORE effective than sword, its about balancing the two. Axe mode should be the segway while the sword is out of commission, so you have the choice of either reloading or toughing it out. Thats not the case with Wilds, you just blow meter and spiral burst back to sword and yet they gave it active regen and power axe giving a raw increase which doesnt last long and is irrelevant compared to sword numbers. Balance, not overwhelming the other. Also, no one has forgotten that this is beta and using the argument that it is beta can also support the other side. If this is how the weapon plays now, then the introduction of skills will obviously make using FRS stronger than it is right now. It doesn't take much to brainstorm how the explosions arent fixed which means they can crit, rapid morph can dramatically increase the loop speed for FRS since other morph attacks have less effective motion values compared to base Rise morph attacks, minor defensive skills could support the knockback res of CRS and FRS, utility skills like focus and power prolonger could reduce axe usage due to spiral burst gain and increased time to use FRS respectively. Plus, another aspect that makes switch axe weak early game compared to others is a compound issue of its early weapons. Low sharpness levels on average, weaker phial types with small values, and a lack of immediately effective skills outside of attack
It was cool of you to shout out a nobody like me ❤. Video was a great breakdown with great suggestions. Loved the Rise love too lol.
Thank you very much, fellow based Rise enjoyer! I watched several more of your videos after and I gotta say, I like how you deliver information and comedic bits. We may have chosen a bit of a niche series for our channels, so we'll be nobodies together for a while but I hope you stay on the grind.
@MahnsterHunter right back at you! I think your vids are legit! I hope Wilds will be a good time of prosperity for the both of us. Especially if the game blows up even larger than World did.
@MHMeatMan RIght? I took 2 weeks of PTO, gotta strike while the iron is hot!
@MahnsterHunter the classic gamer vacation 🤣, man I appreciate you. Have a Happy New Year! I will definitely be keeping an eye on you and your channel!
I strongly disagree with your idea of giving Sword mode an offset, not only would it make both halves of the weapon more homogeneous, but it would take away some of the only utility that Axe mode has; meaning that Axe really would be relegated to only charging Switch Gauge.
I think it's a good thing that certain options are exclusive to each mode, and Sword already has Counter Rising Slash to act as a defensive option.
That's actually a valid point, even considering sword mode already has counter rising slash. I didnt think about it that way
"Yeah happy new years and all that, but-" this is how I know we have a banger on our hands
*Proceeds to reach a fever pitch on Switch Axe*
Oh and another thing! Ive had at least 3 times in Rise where i had the opportunity to teach how to move with morphing for increased mobility and THAT is when the weapon clicked for them. It's just that satisfying in Rise.
You're doing the (Switch Axe) Lord's work out here, thank you for your service to the people
I agree. The quick sword to axe morph without doing any attack was a game changer for me. I cannot stress the amount of fluidity and mobility the simple sword roll into morph axe provided compared to world's morphing "rules". It made me appreciate swax in rise the most
they ain't changing shit see you in 2026 for wilds: wilder
That would be absolutely Monster Hunter: Wild(tm)
@@juzzi monster hunter Mild. 😭
After playing the most mild mh ever (rise) wilds Will feel like playing 4u @@OrAngelicBlitz8633
My brother absolutely adores Rise Swaxe, and is just about ready to fight someone after waiting so long seeing Wilds Swaxe being mediocre only for it to get the most "spare change stranger?" Buffs we've ever seen.
LOL We gotta hold out for the full release! Hopefully there's more than just what we've seen
IM NOT CRAZY EITHER. It's just wrong!!!
Not only does it need it's directional mobility back, but switch axe was never cool for big flashy moves. It feels amazing because it's a bunch of relentless, chunky attacks that flow however i need. If dual blades can hook on and do it's cartwheel, WHY CANT WE HOOK ON AND DO SOARING WYVERN BLADE?! 😭
Preach, brother. The bobbing and weaving, the decisive strikes, the risk and reward. It all comes together despite its flaws in previous games. And ain't it strange that other weapons have moves from Rise/Sunbreak with their grapple hook??? 🤔
Completely agree with your view of how SA should be but I did enjoy dropping the new discharge slash move in the beta so idk how to feel.
Aren't big flashy moves the same as relentless chunky attacks? If not, what's the difference?
@@athos9293 big flashy moves are single big attacks that come out much slower and also usually draw attention away from the rest of the moveset. stuff like true charged slash, saed, and helmsplitter.
@@spark9189 SA always had a big flashy move to use (or not) when the monster was down, that being ZSD. It depends on the situation. Wether you'll be using the fleshy moves or attacking relentlessly depends on the circumstance, and all weapons should give you a variety of options to choose from within the two types of moves.
このシリーズに慣れてるプレイヤーが多い日本人はよく武器バランスについて議論するけど、経験が浅い人が多い海外では「楽しければいい」って人が多い印象だった
でもしっかりプレイしてきた海外プレイヤーはちゃんと問題点を理解して指摘してるんだね
My Japanese isn't very good yet, but I've enjoyed the videos I've seen from creators like Matcha and Mhashi. Even when Hashi made the 55 minute video about his disappointment with the ransu, the comments were pleasant and open to discussion. I am envious
commenting on this to boost the algorithm especially for the swaxe users that are actually concern like me
That was a great video. I don't hold an opinion on the matter because I am not a veteran of the series (about 300hrs in World and 120hrs in Rise) but I just wanna say that I am currently playing Sunbreak and I picked up the Switch Axe literally 2 weeks ago, and it's a very fun weapon to play. The wirebugs give you a lot of options so that it can suit both the offensive and the defensive player, the morph attacks are really powerful with level 3 Rapid Morph, the 2 stage morph attack (was that its name??) makes me use the Axe a lot more that I would usually use it because it's 1) really cool 2) strong for building amp meter 3) gives back sword gauge, and the overall feeling of the weapon is great. I'm not really into interacting with communities and whatnot but Rise is a great game in my opinion and I think it's a shame that many people hated it on day one because "the graphics are bad".
Regarding the zero sum discharge I think it is the coolest move I have ever seen and even if it's terrible I will still use it. The new one they added seems ok but i hope it doesnt overshadow zsd.
Overall the video gave great insight into Switch Axe. For Monster Hunter Wilds I have two things to hope for. One is that Switch Axe will be fun for me to play, the second one is that my laptop won't become a fire hazard when I try to run the game with my RTX 3050 4GB.
Even if you aren't a veteran, your opinions are still acceptable (here at least. I'm not hostile)
There's a lot of reasons why people don't like Rise and its mostly boils down to "Its not World", "Its too arcadey, its not MH", "Its too anime", and so on and so forth but the game was designed to be portable and easily accessible so hunt times are going to be diminished due to faster hunter actions and options. It has a Japanese backdrop so of course its going to be a little bit anime but its still a good game.
Full Release Slash already overshadows ZSD due to its damage, ease of access, utility, and good follow ups that allow it to be used infinitely. I do so hope you have fun with Switch Axe in Wilds, even if the full game comes out and I don't like the complete experience, I'm married to this weapon so I'm not going to drop it LOL
Bro im ascending to heaven with how hunting horn has been perfected then i see how dirty swaxe is being done and go damn thats the first weapon i ever used 😢
LOL You gotta carry on strong with the horn, for the rest of us
Don't be afraid to speak your mind, we'll be here to support you 👍🏿
I appreciate that, I've needed the reassurance of this vid
yeah rise switch axe was so good the sheer movement and morphing was so smooth, I realized I really took it for granted after replaying world. I think ill just use lance for wilds, that weapon rarely changes much.
Rise gets a pretty bad wrap, but for what it did for mobility was just...mmm...chef's kiss
No, man, you are completely spot on I mained SWA in Rise World and GU recently for my entire playthroughs of each, and in Wilds, I immediately noticed the changes, and it felt so off and disjointed. My friend was playing Insect Glaive and out dpsing me, which was insane because the SWA is supposed to be an all-or-nothing offensive weapon. SWA feels the best in rise, and Axe mode is really fun to use when you need to reach or want to hit specific parts they need to make it rewarding to use. Great video i agree with literally every point keep up the great content!
It was such a jarring feeling too, wondering if I'm playing wrong or if I'm suddenly washed. I had a similar experience to you except one of my friends was playing Long Sword and Charge Blade and I just couldn't keep up even against CB. The aggression of switch axe should be capable of more.
From the best iterations of a weapon to a flanderized, water-downed meme, I just hope the expansion will fix it.
The feedback is probably gonna have to be louder and more coordinated than the OBT for them to listen I think
This kind of take is crazy to me, it's like you're accepting them selling you a problem while already waiting for them to sell you the fix later.
games not even out yet and youre already holding out hope that the expansion youre going to buy will fix the game you already bought lmao holy shit
@@tyler-xo3rb the expansions have a fantastic track record of giving us almost everything we want for the weapons wwhen we QQ about them so it does seem like well placed hope at least.
@@jecarlos8564 It's certainly not what I wanted but it's what I came to expect, given Capcom's track records. I simply conceded to the fact.
Peak video. I knew that the switch axe felt really weird in the demo but I didn't have the time to figure out why it felt so bad. Now I know!
Holding out hope that the Beta build is completely different from the full release
RiseBreak Swaxe is my favourite iteration of the weapon. So many ways to morph between Sword and Axe Mode and it all feels buttery smooth.
Now we can't morph into Sword mode without attacking first...
Right? The morph options and utility expanded in such a big way, its hard to imagine those changes didnt stick
Finally, a switch axe user who understands. Someone who has actual hours devoted to the weapon and can express this stuff properly. Thank you for existing.
LOL I've also been working on an evolution video for the last two months, I treat this weapon like a 9 to 5!
I fully agree with you all of the adjustments you suggested would be perfect for the switch axe
Im backing out of the sword mode offset but otherwise, yes sir
Rise SA was practically perfect, they finally make full use of the "switch" in its name, I was looking forward to Wilds, then this happen.
It's 4U>Gen CB all over again for me, even worse is CB also feels off in Wilds, so I lost both my main weapons...
Looks to me like there's more emphasis on having to use savage axe more so than the guardpoint and SAED playstyles
Seems so, it kinda annoys me when they're trying to push different playstyle than what the weapons originally are.
I'm no LS or GS main, but I quite enjoyed the old sustained DPS LS not the dodge counter spam, and Crit Draw GS instead of Tackle TCS (inb4 original GS can't charge in MH1, yeah, that's why Surge Slash is awesome)
I love freedom of choice, if you wanna SAED spam or Savage axe, you should be frer to do so without so many limitations, even if one is more efficient than the other.
And old LS in sync with fade slash but its been irrelevant for a bit due to the counters
I want this viral. I want them to see this. Please lets make it happen!
Not to put myself down, but I don't think I'm big enough yet
Swaxe felt like shit either I’m dropping the weapon in wilds or I’m just not gonna play wilds if it doesn’t get changed. I fucking hate full release slash
I'm still gonna play it, I'm just hoping its not crazy wild
Bottled water is nice but the pollution of the oceans is not and is going to be a death knell to a lot of species so you can't really blame people pushing alternatives. That's my only objection with this video.
LMFAO Fuck, you have a point! Based comment
Tried the beta and was completely lost as to why I couldn't recreate my World's performance (700h+ with the SA), and... yeah they removed the gauge gain when you morph. Baffling decision, made the weapon near unplayable. The amped state and phial management in World were simply good enough.
Then it appeared that the ZSD became useless and you can't clutch claw while doing the standing discharge anymore, also a big hit. Mobility was okay. As for the feeling of the weapon, Axe mode lacked weight during most attacks like the overhead slash and the sweeping morph attack, it's a shame, the weapon felt too smooth. Even the phial explosions in sword felt meh.
I would love for the standing discharge grappling combo animation from Iceborne to actually get s or be a counter (while keeping the small delay), this would give more incentive the use ZSD.
Phial bursts in axe mode and the idea of the tempest axe would be really nice as well.
In short, identical Iceborne gameplay + some Rise moves/buffs, paired with the focus mode and that's it, why is it so hard.
Exactly, all thats gotta be done is truly build off the previous game and we're set
When the community update drop and seeing the changes for SwAxe, the weapon i use and love since freaking MH 3rd Portable. The change make me feel like the dev dislike develop the weapon or seeing it as hastle for work with. From then i were waiting for video from people have more influence than nobody me to speakout for the SwAxe.I thought no one care about it anymore because most SwAxe enjoy ytber hasnt drop any vid bout the changes right after the update. Thank you, last few week really sad for a Swaxe main like me
You can feel when the weapon has tender love and care, that's why I'm willing to criticize it because there's questionable design choices despite us coming off the backs of Rise.
The thing about the community that really frustrates me is fans are overly positive or overly negative, theres no inbetween or room for actusl discussion anymore.
I'm at a point where im just gonna get used to Wilds combat and wait for the next non numbered title and hope the Weapon changes from Wilds weren't all permanent. Cuz bringing up potential negatives about Wilds or godforbid praising something from Rise seems to get you dogpiled.
And don't forget criticizing World. That gets people crucified fr. I do miss the genuine discussions, because even if GU is my favorite, I'll just as quickly criticize it as I would praise it. That balance is healthy
The zeitgeist of the modern MH community is honestly dogwater.
This has been my experience with most Capcom fan bases. Gets so much worse for SF.
@@emblemblade9245 not just the modern one lol. its always been this terrible, its just louder now.
random note, i would love the valor style SA double elemental discharge to be back, that move is so cool
Perfect place to put it would be in amped state too
This is about the 3rd or 4th time I've went "oh so it wasn't just me" when I look into why it just didn't feel right to me. I had to check again now that we're less than a month away from launch, and I found your video.
Been playing Switch Axe since Tri/3U, exclusively since 4U, and it was the most fun I have ever had with it in Rise. But even without the Rise upgrades, I didn't feel like a fish out of water back when I was playing World either, which was my favorite MH until Rise. Was hoping Wilds would take that crown next. Still do, despite the beta results.
When you have spent so much time with it, you just know these things. Thanks for highlighting and describing what I felt in ways I couldn't find the words for, and here's to a few surprises on launch day 🍻
Thank you very much. I feel like I'll have to try and become a Switch Axe ambassador at some point lol
I wish you uploaded this earlier!!! I felt the same!!!! This sounds like you want a laundry list, but it’s more akin to simply going back to Rise 😭
Lol actually thinking about it, thats true! I do want them to go back to Rise because I want them to build and improve off that formula with Wilds. Just like how each sequel built off the other, thats how they shoulda done it
On the topic of Sword mode gaining an Offset, I think a more natural way to add one in and to not effect the other weapons too much would be to make it an Offset Morph attack (Or similarly, a button combo the morphs from Sword into an Offset Rising-slash); Just really like the idea of an Offset Morph attack; think it can look fairly flashy and would work with the overall identity of SWAX, the ability to morph and attack quickly
Another comment made meaware that if sword is given an offset, it would be overshadowing axe again and thats definitely a goof point so Idk if Im still on board but that morph idea might be nice
It's a real shame that they miss the mark with some of the weapons, we can only really cross our fingers and hope that the expansion might address everything fully. I used to be one of those people who'd complain about people complaining because I only played one weapon (hammer) but I've made a real effort to learn everything so going into the Wilds OBT and trying Swaxe left me feeling disappointed.
Yeah, I don't know how there was such a misfire with these weapons. I'm getting the sense that there's a particularly odd focus on giving every weapon more cinematic or flashy finisher attacks. I'm really hoping that most of what we're seeing here isn't finished and perhaps the final version will be drastically improved
@ There’s always a chance, but I’m prepared to just focus on a few weapons this time to avoid the frustration.
I actually agree with this, and I have used switch axe for ten years. Rise did it better
Rise was lioe the culmination of every change they ever made wrapped into one. Beautiful
It feels like someone is trying to have a conversation with me in a circus what is this music
LMFAO Circus might be right, its the Crash 3 Medieval theme
Really great video and don't ever be afraid to speak your mind, you'll never be able to please everyone anyway.
While I do agree with all the critisicm Wilds' Swaxe gets and would love to see all kinds of buffs to the weapon I can't help it but say I had so much fun with the weapon during the beta... the damage was too low overall (including FRS being the only viable move as an issue) and the chip damage was way too much on successful parries, those were my two main complaints.
But after getting used to the new mechanics and movset changes I had such a blast again. Maybe it is because I really like Iceborne's version.. even more than Sunbreaks' iteration of Swaxe and I really like the attempt of capcom to push both modes into relevancy... some minor adjustments would be fine for me already but if they implemented all things you listed for example that'd be even better I guess.
Thank you for the effort that went into making that video!
Thank you as well! Yeah this version does feel closer to that of World than anything else. I'm just afraid of endgame mostly, cuz once skills are introduced, its a wrap basically
@@MahnsterHunter wdym by skills?
@BuccaVf Armor Skills. If this game is going off of World's mechanics, then phial bursts and discharge explosions will be able to crit. So critical eye, weakness exploit, critical boost if they're available are stronger options. If Focus affects how much gauge the axe can generate, then pairing it with power prolonger will make Full Release spam more accessible. We just don't have a comprehensive list of the skills or gametime to know how it'll go
Damn BloodyWyverian! Your SA Videos had me Leveld up ! 🫡 TY SIR
I think this always happens to every game series. Once a weapon is close to perfect they keep making changes and end up ruining it.
I´m not talking about Swaxe specifically.
Reminds me of the Halo magnum. 2, 3, and ODST did not do that thing justice
Lancer here. No clue about SA outside of world were i tried it a little. Sad to here SA didnt get what it needed, they pretty much nailed with lance (outside the fact that we still dont know if the running speed of the dash attack will be faster than a snail again and that it could be a bit flashier)
Fringers crossed for the SA mains, that you still get the changes you wanted.
(though the one thing i will say is that they mentioned that all weapons will get Motion value changes, with the focus on the weaker ones being buffed. So i think at least in the damage department SA and Lance will be alright there, if that is any consulation)
Idk if we'll be getting anymore unless there's changes they didnt tell us about. The general consensus now is that its coming in G Rank pretty much
@MahnsterHunter well i do know that not all changes were listed. Some lance mains went through the closed preview footage and noted that the high thrust were faster, which they didnt list or mention in the update video, but them being slow was a common complaint for lancers. So there is still a good chance these werent all changes to the SA. My Fingers are crossed for you guys
Sweet vid. I agree with most of your points minus the passive regen and sword mode getting an offset. My biggest grip with the weapon was that it felt like my only objective was being in sword mode as much as I can. With the removal of passive gen we have to use axe mode so I kind of like that but I wish there was just a better solution.
Thanks! The issue switch axe has had since 3rd gen is that being in sword mode is always preferrable to axe. Throughout the years, they've been adding more ways to maintain sword mode uptime. I like the idea of returning passive regen but lowering the amount of gauge gained from axe attacks. Yes, active generation can give axe more use in a broad sense, but the bigger picture is that it generates meter so fast you aren't really using axe mode more. Plus, the people who cant hit the monsters are not going to be able to generate meter. If they're bad but resourceful they can just sheathe and let it passively generate which, when sheathed in Wilds, is the fastest base regen compared to previous games both sheathed and in axe mode.
@@MahnsterHunter yeah I didn't think about that. Now the passive Regen makes a lot more sense. Good stuff
Wish they'd make the reload feel cool to use instead of nerfing it. It barely moved the gauge in the beta.
And it doesn't fill instantly, instead only filling when the next phial is loaded. No more cheesey 1 frame reloads before roar/tremor. I would love it if reload speed or Load Shells could affect Switch Axe. Make it look like generations energy charge
After seeing the changes to Switch Axe, I felt the same we do have some of the same points!
Here are a my changes that I feel are reasonable given to what they have changed for other weapons
(listed from most likely to happen, to less likely)
Being able to hold the offset attack
Same "Amped state" buff on the "axe mode" as in the "sword mode"
More Direction inputs on the fade slash
2 - staged Morph Slash Combo worked into base moveset
Reworked Axe combos /new axe followups after "Spiral Burst Slash" for axe mode
(Listed from most important changes, to less important)
Same "Amped state" buff on the "axe mode" as in the "sword mode"
Reworked Axe combos /new axe followups after "Spiral Burst Slash" for axe mode
Being able to hold the offset attack
2 - staged Morph Slash Combo worked into base moveset
More Direction inputs on the fade slash
Let me know what you think!
I'll answer each of those in order.
If they do make a delayed Offset, it might have to be universal to every weapon (excluding GS cuz it can charge)
Agreed, the phial bursts not being there is so confusing to me.
We talkin axe: fade slash or sword: downward fade slash? Either way, being omnidirectional sure beats just going backward
If they add 2 stage, they're definitely going to butcher it. The switch gauge and amped state fill rate would give another reason to be in axe mode. The controls would probably be weird since we still have Wide Sweep and Heavy Slam. Maybe triangle + circle/ Y + B or R2 + Triangle/RT + Y??
Compared to Sword mode, axe definitely lacks in attack variety and strings. Maybe giving it new pathways could help. Funny enough, they changed neutral triangle/y from being overhead slash to being side slash. Probably cuz they wanted spiral burst to be used.
I've already long accepted that I'm probably not going to be playing switch axe in wilds, but man... that community update really gave me all that hope only to crush it into dust
I'm still gonna play it, but I'm also holding out hope that they havent shared everything with us yet
Personally, I understand your criticisms and would like to share my take of changes that would probably help.
1. Axe mode in general needs a speed boost. I mained SWA for GU and my favorite way to play was Valor style with Tempest axe. The speed allowed me to take advantage of openings I could see but not act on before. Plus it would make the weapon feel more responsive. To finish this point, a small 5% boost would be good enough.
2. Power Axe mode should be removed, because it is already unnecessary maintenance on top of amped state. This weapon already has so much going on that having to manage 3! meters on top of it is ludicrous. I felt this way in world, then rise and again in wilds. (That said, the speed boost buff idea is a good compromise)
3. There should be benefits to using wild swing for more than 3 swings. I'll take anything, but the easiest that comes to mind would be the buff that we got in world. Personally I would like the Tempest Axe speed up mechanic and that should lead into enhanced finishers. Namely, faster, more hits, natural mind's eye or what not.
4. Stop Full Release Slash from being usable from neutral. Lock it behind special moves like the counter and elemental discharge or something of the sort. Make me work for it.
I'll respond to each
1. Seconded. There has to be some type of incentive to want to be in axe mode that isn't just "charge the better half"
2. LOL WOAH Iunno, maybe if they made the buff last longer considering there's 3 different finisher attacks that activate the buff. But in Rise it was the most useless because it would immediately deactivate the moment you gained amped state.
3. Yeah I'm more than likely going to use Wild swing the same way I did in World, which was just one hit and immediate Wide Sweep. The tempest axe speed boost would go so hard.
4. Putting it behind an attack could be a method, but if I learned anything from SAED being locked behind AED, it might not be the best choice.
@@MahnsterHunter One thing that can't be known is how the monsters move. In 4U the way monsters move, lets you pull off elemental discharges fairly consistently. Try doing that in Rise. Its even harder in Sunbreak, so full release can be balanced like that. On another note, it can be the best DPS as long as there are other options that get close to its damage output.
Taking all this into consideration, the hyper armor change is bad move for the depth of the weapon, but it is a great addition for new players picking up the weapon for the first time. This is a change catering to someone else, not me. In my mind, a great compromise would be to make ZSD and ED do more damage than this, because both of these moves require more forethought, positioning, build up and timing to get the most out of them. It would turn this move into a cool new addition, instead of your best choice for all situations.
P.S. My favorite move is the Double Discharge from valor SWA in GU.
For me it was the other way around for 4U. I hardly touch ED unless the monster is recovering from a stagger or mount. Rusted Kushala is nightmare fuel.
It's true that it might help players new to the weapon succeed, but it's also going to make advanced players lethal. If ED and ZSD were to do more damage, it might be used the same way it was in Rise where if the monster is down then you'd just combo it until its about to get up and ZSD.
P.S. Based Choice. I'm a Wide Sweep enjoyer
All the issues you said at 1:47 are definitely what I was feeling during the beta
I fought two chatacabras, thought I was trippin. Fought Rey Dau, knew I wasn't trippin
Been looking forward to this one. Was getting frustrated listening to UA-camrs and fans who didn't play the weapon praise the changes and glaze the devs for listening.
The day they posted the twitter post and people were saying we're eating good had me lookin like Homelander in the theater
Capcom hire this person pls
And I will do my best as a consultant! Its what the people deserve!
I LOVE watching other players be upset with Capcoms changes to their favourite weapon. Because people ripped into me when rise came out and and they “removed” HH and replaced it with some extremely lame, blunt dual blades. HH got butchered in rise, now other weapons are getting butchered in wilds and the pettiness in me is being satisfied.
Now that's downright evil LOL
@@MahnsterHunterI do hope they fix any issues people have though. If not at the games release, hopefully at the inevitable g rank expansion. But right now, from just trailers and the beta, suffer as I have! Lol.
Such an under rated comment. It really shines a light on the idea that people don’t care about balance or anything of the like they just want their favorite weapon to play exactly like they think it should play.
HH is goated in rise
We're suffering just like G did!
Or simply boost the overall damage of SA and put the full release on CD like with the wyvern fire from the gunlance. It would force you to dps with the rest of your kit most of the time, and since rapid morph is in that game, axe mode will probably be somewhat relevant.
Crazy as it seems, I actually like the idea of FRS on cooldown. And if Rapid Morph is done the same as Wild, its less about axeode being relevant and more about the morphing mechanic becoming relevant again
@@MahnsterHunter Tbh I don't (personally) really care if axe mode is only a tool for movement and enhancing sword mode, but the fluid morphing between the two was really feeling nice. The fact that with the SWITCH axe you have to SWITCH during you best dps combo felt very natural even though Rise was the first MH game I played where it was your best option.
Puting the FRS in cd is a option that is both simple and also keeps the relevance of both the FRS itself and the rest of the kit. I really like that over the top move, I think it should stay relevant, even though I agree that the gameplan tu only play toward that goal is not ideal. (still had a lot of fun during the bêta, and I will still enjoy SA even if they don't change anything.)
And my ideas are definitely not crazy since they are my ideas ! (Wait that doesn't prove anything...)
No sir you're WRONG
Developers are ALWAYS RIGHT
How could I be so stupid! 😩
I dont quite get all the people saying the changes are bad when we literally havent been able to even use them yet and we dont know exactly how the changes will work and also every new game i believe should be taken as the game it is and not go compare it to previous games its suppose to be a different experience (i wrote this before watching the entire video btw)
Lol no worries. The issue stems from the OBT we experienced. Full Release was strong and spammable. By buffing sword damage, axe regen, and giving FRS knockback res(hyper armor), it further bolsters that playstyle
@MahnsterHunter it definitely does seem like they're trying to promote a more sword mode centered playstyle I just hope other styles are viable on release
The thing to remember they said those where part of the changes. We do not know all number changes they may go more in depth.
As a non SA player I am not trying to say there are no problems or they will be fixed I have no clue after all. The video was very informative, I hope some of the things will be addressed after all SA was one of those the journalists were recommondated to not play for a lot of changes coming to it
Even if you don't play it, the input is welcome. I'm really hoping that the release build has more that they didnt decide to show us yet.
I started with frontiers with my friend in which I was a long sword main but In the beat I tried the switch axe and really enjoyed it, so much that when I got world I played with the switch axe I didn't notice much difference ( I did not know how to use it though and I probably didn't use even a fourth of the move set )
People who think wilds switch axe is an upgrade probably haven’t properly explored the beauty that is rise SA
For every person who actually played rise SA that somehow thought wilds SA was better in this demo, there are like 7 other rise SA players who disagree with that guy.
LOL It was just such a great amalgamation of mechanics. My only dislike was how Rapid Morph and Phial Switch Boost were a necessity but other wise, it handled like a dream car
the devs have been very vigilant this time about hearing player feedback so hopefully if enough people share the same sentiment they could fix this, but unfortunately its impossible to know if the majority of players also feel this way
I suppose it would depend on how many and who?
I always thought it was more of a stance weapon since CB has the store and dump play style.
It could be if the axe mode was a bit more important but it mainly focuses on using Sword mode. Although, in this game with how its playstyle is, it could be seen as a variation of the Charge Blade store & dump
I'm still pissed that they removed Player action setting from the options, Which was a setting in rise that let you play using Preworld Controls, like R+X+A to draw into guard, rather then R2
And it let me actually not make R1 always sheath into sprint, and let me guard and run with the same button.... Which is really annoying I couldn't.
And I'm also annoyed that apparently NO one else seems to care for this setting... I've heard not just no one else saying it's gone but mostly people asking what this even is to begin with.... I want my customization back capcom... why....
Dude yes. Every game I play I immediatly go to settings. I really hope the final product has classic commands cuz I do not like using R2. I know some people think its nitpicky or whatever but I like having the CHOICE. I wouldnt want people who like using R2 not to have it, but I want my R1 morphs and R1+Triangle+Circle draws/special attacks
@@MahnsterHunter I don't have taht big of a voice So I can't cause any kind of scene to get capcom to make this setting return... The best I can do is spread word in comments, and I don't think that's anywhere near enough...
but ya I remember when I first loaded up rise I spent probably 2 hours just fiddling with settings till it felt good to use. Player Action setting as well as I swapped L1/L2 and R1/R2, because I played on joycons and they're easier to hit. I was unable to play wilds as my computer isn't anywhere near strong enough but I did download it simply to get access to the settings menu because I asked so many people if player action setting made a return, and no one responded or said idk what you're asking for....
It did infact not return....
I made sure to put that in the survey among other things. Just gotta hope it was either seen or the beta isnt feature complete
The speed of that back morph is my favorite change you pointed out. Morphing In rise with rapid morph as starter attacks is God like. I've gone back to world after playing rise, and it feels icky In comparison. Frontier has me using the gigantic beam gauge and spamming wild swing with the biggest of sabers. I just love just swinging.
I hope there is a general phial boost that boosts :Saed ,aed, and all of the switch axes discharges. I hope that skill is unrevealed or in an expansion.
Editted, cause I can't edit from mobile.*
I'm gonna be surprised if fade slash becomes a meta combo route. I haven't tried frontier yet, but I'd really like to, especially since they're pulling more frontier related content nowadays. I dunno if there's gonna be skills for phial related aspects, but it would certainly be cool to see
@@MahnsterHunter Do yourself a favor and get access to Charging fade clashes in frontier it feel so good, and im not even good at using them for i frames yet. i use them fro positioning and keeping up the flow.
NOw what style is that attached to? Universal or specific?
@@MahnsterHunter extreme =3, i think storm might have it too.
I didn't realize you posted the Kinsect video at all, maybe the thumbnail makes it hard to spot somehow?
Y'know, that's true cuz it is different from my usual. I have two different thumbnail styles now, one for "educational" videos and the other for general content but I might do away wuth the latter.
Please make it so that if you ZSD on a weak point, you're allowed to use Soaring Wyvern Blade or some shit idk I beg you capcom
devs dont listen but who knows maybe we might just get soaring wyvern
The window is as slim as my optimism
I want the Portable/Sunbreak team to do the touch ups. They clearly know how to make weapons balanced and feel good to play.
I kept hearing that these teams are merged now, is that true?
Maybe the New World just isn't ready for the true power of Switch Axe...
But its gotta be
HELLS YEA dude, apparently im not crazy. I know something feels off but i just dont know what. My take when first time playing the beta was “i hope rapid morph can fix this”
I'll add to that. I hope that the weapon feels good and Rapid Morph makes it feel better
Me when the vaster casual community sees bad change and celebrates and will kick anyone who disagrees in the shins but people who actually know and understand the weapon are in shambles
I can't fault them for accepting it, but my shins would greatly appreciate being pain free
Over 10k hours in the MH series is crazy
Guh hyuk, and I'll do it again
Video's good n all, great points (i need a cb saed version from someone) but not recognizing from where ur thumbnail was were driving me nuts
LOL the Oshi No Ko meme with the "This shit is so ass" captions
I hate knocback resistance on moves, it's not only scrubby it's also boring.
I play SA because it is a hard to use weapon with close to none defensive options and little mobility, for example using hops that are harder to use defensively but stronger offensively.
Giving me more ease of use changes won't fix the weapon for me.
I don't mind it on ZSD since it can kill you rather quickly, the whole risk and reward thing but the hop dancing does add fluidity to the kit
Im glad im not tweaking, Swaxe just felt buns...
recently played through P3RD with swaxe was my first time using it actually really fun this reminded me I should try it in more games
great video dude
I appreciate that, P3rd is phenomenal game but definitely try out the other Switch Axes! The only thing holding 3rd gen axes back is the weapons itself
I do agree with some of the things in this. While I enjoyed wild swaxe, saying it's perfect isn't true. As stated in the video, being nothing but positive can be harmful. Kinda like rise/sunbreak with some aspects. Reducing gauge consumption, power axe mode giving increased gauge build but also having part breaker affect like in world would make axe mode much more useful in creating openings
I like rise's switchaxe but I think it deviates from its predecessors a bit too much for it to be put in the more grounded wilds, with some moveset changes and stats modifications wilds switchaxe could been really good but hey I didn't expect much from their change since the community seemed to like how the switchaxe played in the beta unfortunately.
Maybe by the time I finish the first playthrough someone would've made a mod to fix it.
And honestly it would have been fine if it wasn't for us seeing how intuitive LS and GL behave now, and the massive difference in speedrun times of almost all weapons vs. switchaxe. I think there was someone who analysed the beta speedruns, and the swax (which was always a DPS machine that lacked defensive options) was second to last place. Kinda shows how bad we are getting it.
And if anyone's curious, in world there was two mods that changed how it fundamentally worked and it was kinda refreshing, I think one was called rose style switch axe the balancing was off tho
I like the changes made in Rise, but Rise is a faster paced game, so some of the speed and ease of access can't translate to Wilds. At the very least, it could stand to make additions that still fit the title itself. The weighty feel of Wild should still be prevalent
FINALLY SOMEONE MENTIONING WIDE SWEEP HORRIBLE WORLD CHANGE.
Sorry for the caps. But thankfully someone else mentioned it DAYUM!
Okay, I do have some quarrels though.
In my opinion having Sword Mode parry is good enough to not require a full fledge Offset Attack like in Axe Mode (it's already nice we have both lol)
On another note, I think there's one major problem with the passive refillment of the Sword gauge just by waiting with weapon unsheath. To me it just allowed entering Sword Mode whenever you wanted without it actually respecting the weapon core design in my opinion.
Not that I'm entirely glad it's gone but it's like ZSD, I don't like it when it feels unbalanced. Having Spiral Slash giving that much bar and Savage Swing that few is strange.
It should be equivalent between any Axe strikes in my opinion, so it invites players to try various playstyles.
Full Release Slash it's... Horizontal SAED. I'm not mad at it but I don't think I ever played the weapon to just spam the hell out of a super move for the win.
I mean I did ZSD spam in World in particuliar, but mostly because I felt like I had to since I can't normal ED in Amped Mode.
But that's just my opinion on all this. Great video and glad to see I'm not the only one to HATE World Wide Sweep.
LOL Thanks! Wide Sweep is my favorite attack in the entire kit, knowing its just relegated to an auto morph is just blegh.
I'll answer those individually.
Yeah, another chatter made me recognize a sword mode offset wasn't necessary and could overshadow the axe even more
In previous games, it was common to blow meter and remain in axe mode/sheathed while it recovered slowly or just reload at a good time. Passive regen isn't necessarily a bad thing, especially when you're incapable of retaliating against a monster that is hyper aggressive. In Wilds, more particularly the OBT, sheathing the weapon allowed it to regen the fastest its ever been in the series.
Its funny that they call FRS a finishing move but nothing about how its used feels like a finisher. Sure, it can be chained into but lord knows you can just pop that whenever you want and usually during a time when monsters are taking forever to do something. Most commonly seen with Rey Dau. Then they gave it hyper armor. Which means rather than using the counter, I could just hit the monster to get its attention, FRS through the roar, and carry on like normal.
@MahnsterHunter I agree with FRS, it's really strong without it really being... I dunno, meaningful.
I feel like Sunbreak just had it going in a certain way that allowed everything to stick together. With Wilds it's kinda gone even though they attempt to do more with it.
The refillment has one important point now, it refills when you sheath the weapon but not when it's in Axe Mode like in previous games. Which is good to me.
I never felt like it was helping the Axe to simply have natural buildup for the Sword Mode that then wouldn't deplete as fast as it does in Wilds. Because in my opinion it kinda takes away what Switch Axe should be about. It should "Switch" lol.
The gauge build-up and depletion is pretty good by design, it works for the weapon as you really could use everything... But it feels failed in how it's balanced refillment wise. It's like Spiral Burst Slash does everything for no other reason than being a new move.
If there's a fix to do for me it would be... damage balancing, "Wide Sweep" over "Morph Sweep", gauge build-up balancing so it's not nullifying Savage Swing Vs Spiral Burst Slash or Heavy Slam.
I don't know about you but in any case it's good discussion.
Thats what hurts the changes the most. Spiral burst slash being so good just nullifies everything else. Sure, you could offset but thats not gonna happen often unless seeking for it. Rise's morph mechanics is the closest we'll get to the Switch Axe switching. Wilds has its playstyle similar to World with minimal changes here and there but thrn FRS and Spiral clears in usage
2:22 this man pulled a 'i'm not mad, i'm just disappointed'
LOL Said it like he took the glasses off first too
you need socks to prevent cold feet
Adding socks to the grocery list
The MH community is full of toxic positivity, so having a channel that doles out the occasional bit of constructive criticism is actually kind of needed.
So A) just flat out ignore the "sTOp HaTInG"-crowd and B) please keep making great Swaxe content - it is very appreciated by a lot of us.
You're absolutely right, because I can't keep sitting on videos when I have people who appreciate what I do. I really do appreciate that
Unless it's rise then it's free game
Thank you for this.
Most of these points are great, but how would soaring wyvern work? In Rise it used a resource, granted it was one that refilled passively and rather quickly, but misuse could still lead to missing a wirebug when you most needed it. The hammer solved this by making the dash cost a rather hefty amount of stamina, which the hammer already passively consumes during charge, making it so that using it even twice during a single charge could leave you out of stamina and unleashing that charged attack on nothing.
What would the Switch Axe need to sacrifice in order to significantly cut down on ZSD recovery? What resource does the Switch Axe have that it isn't already starved of? And if there is no such cost or risk, why wouldn't you just use it every single time? Why even make it optional?
Fair point. Hammer Keeping Sway in Wilds doesn't look like it consumes that much stamina when I compare beta footage to IGN Japan gameplay, cuz they can do it 4-5 times while charging without running close to no stamina.
For Switch Axe, Zero Sum Discharge was dealt with differently in World and Rise. World required players to use early finisher due to finishing discharge taking too long to recover. Meanwhile, Rise allowed evade cancelling early or soaring wyvern which promoted the use of Soaring Wyvern Blade. Not to mention the damage types, gauge cost, and durability are different as world is strictly cutting on explosions, eats hella gauge, and has no KBR compared to Rise. In Wilds, it works the same as it does in World except the startup frames are longer even after double/triple slash or heavenward flurry and the recovery frames takes forever. Full Release Slash is always going to overpower it as a damage option by sheer utility, recovery, and damage.
This change is taking my changes into account since my stance is to lessen FRS and Spiral Burst gauge generation. Wilds ZSD gauge consumption is hefty even on an early discharger, so the most reasonable way to balance SWB would be not allowing it to be activated from the ground (cuz you can't grapple air) which locks it behind ZSD only and making it consume more switch gauge than Rise as to not allow it to be spammable. Since Rise's ability to generate gauge on morphing was strong when following up SWB with a grounded morph slash, Wilds obviously is going to have to put in the work considering axe attacks generate gauge now. It all really boils down to gauge cost and situation. No doubt you could make a ZSD or FRS focused set when we get access to skills, so having things like power prolonger and focus might make it more useful unless you know how to work the gauge.
That music..... Hey its CRASH 3 WARPED!!!
LOL Yes sir! Crash 2 warp room theme and them medieval from 3
Finally someone addressing the real probelm of Wilds.
Sure you know the real problems of a game thats not even out. Smarthead.
hey, i dont know if the point was including every change you wanted from the base obt version but some of those changes did happen, from the changes we saw sword damage has been basically doubled(more like 2.5?) and less gauge, they also made so you can counter roars with the counter and less dmg (this has been a thing since tgs24 but the beta is from like early 2024), it also seem like from what they said you should get more by morphing but they just said that without any other reference to us so it's up in the air bc it's so vague
Hol up...you got footage of this being able to counter a roar?? 👁👁
i don't know if ytb is bugged but i can't post the actual link?
Post it but put a . or - somewhere in the link
@@MahnsterHunter youtu.be/o..mLB8KFXkfY?si=w-sQyPVMHlH-5gwT&t=838 sorry for my boomer moment lol, also the guy takes a nova, and maybe the chip dmg was adjusted by then alr
Lol nah you're fine, I think youtube sometimes deletes links. Now...which periods am I removing?
The Rise Swaxe glazing is so based, what a breath of fresh air from all this "WILDS SWAXE IS AMAZING!!!111!!!" non-sense. Excited for what they end up cooking in the final release.
It was just every advancement wrapped into one package. My precious...
i have to agree with juzzi on this one they not changing shit
A boy can dream
First of all great video btw... secondly... and PLEASE don't eat me alive for saying this... I agree with everything you said (except Sword Offset we don't really need that AND I actually hated the ZSD knockdown of Rise but that's just me) the weapon needs a lot of improvements, make axe mode great again, bring back Rise double morphs, decrease Sword gauge consumption... etc... BUT... aren't we all blowing this out of proportion? I feel like the weapon in the beta wasn't as bad as people make it out to be.... sure it's a step back from Rise but if the weapon didn't get any changes done to it in the full release I personally wouldn't feel like it's gonna be the end of the world...
PLEASE if I'm being stupid and missing the point explain it to me like I'm 5 cuz I cannot see why people are so worked up over this.
P.S. I feel like you have something against Tokuda-san... it's okay I won't let him take your lunch again.
LOL I'm not gonna eat you! It's fine if you enjoyed your time with the weapon in the open beta. The reason it has such a blowback is how passionate people are about it. If you enjoyed it in OBT even though it was in a bad state, you'll still enjoy it, maybe even more, if the devs worked harder on it.
Thing is, if you take into account full equipment, final tree weapons, skills available in the game etc, you can soft predict how it could affect the weapon. If Wilds works like World, then the phial bursts and explosions can deal critical damage. If they try to reduce skill levels to make for less clutter, you could full offense or go for utility like focus and power prolonger to spam Full Release indefinitely. Especially now with knockback res on FRS. The weapon is made around spamming it, so that's the reward and it takes away from how the weapon's identity that has persisted despite its changes.
Each new game is supposed to improve what came before it, but this current version feels very off. I've been trying to learn Japanese and doing the whole exposure thing by watching Japanese yoitubers and plenty of them were just as upset with their respective weapons as we are. Same Lance complaints, same Gunlance praise.
I don't have a grudge against Tokuda, its just that his decisions in World I didn't agree with. Ultimately, these choices do fall to the director since they are not only the face but also the head. Ichinose kinda dropped the ball on Apex monsters in Rise, and Fujioka for the problems I labeled about 4U.
@@MahnsterHunter Yeah I see what you're trying to convey, like I said I echo a lot (but not all) of the sentiment around the weapon from the OBT, Rise Swaxe was the best version of the weapon and they should've focused on it, and FRS spam will get boring quickly just as ZSD spam in World was...
But again I feel like whenever I see people talk about the weapon from the OBT it's as if it's the end of the world even though it never felt like that to me, to me it just felt like a shift in a different direction, an unnecessary shift but one nonetheless.
Here's hoping the devs actually listen and that the changes they spoke about weren't final, they fixed the OBT Insect Glaive after all and gave it new toys on top.
Also I know you don't hate Tokuda I was just pulling your leg, all the directors have made good and bad decisions... that's part of being a director.
I think what a lot of people feel is that its too late to change and that if these were the changes, then the rest of the weapon is cooked. If its gotta be handled during expansion, then we just gotta rock as best we can until then pretty much
Im not a big fan of having a wider window for the parry, but it seems that its more effective if you do it with better timing? my worry was having it become a "stance" counter like most in Rise, even tho SA was pretty fun in that game imho
Its a get out of jail free card on that extension if you have enough health pretty much. I may love Rise, but I know EBC giving 100% amped fill rate was pretty damn bonkers
@MahnsterHunter It sacrifices HP if its not timed correctly?
You take reduced damage if you can parry perfectly, but you take about the same amount of damage if you're hit at the later phases of the animation
@MahnsterHunter Ok thats a nice balance, but I preferres if the parry only worked with the right tight window. Thanks for clarifying 🫡
Capcom buffing full release slash is like frostcraft in sunbreak buffing amatsu strongarm stance TCS further rather than breathing life back into crit draw. At this stage, I'm no longer surprised when they pull this shit.
Wait, you're tellin' me frostcraft amatsu killed crit draw GS? Even with the Power Sheathe?
@@MahnsterHunter Frostcraft was applicable to the amatsu strongarm stance strategy which only maintained/widened the gap between the playstyles since they both benefited, and with frostcraft being a percentage bonus, TCS got the better deal.
Damn, I didn't delve too deep into GS on Rise but I did enjoy playing the Surge Slashes, that was my guilty pleasure
@@MahnsterHunter The original playstyle was neglected relative to these new tools, I've seen surge slash builds and they can work pretty well, you can see the parallels here with the dev's current mindset toward SA design favoring the fancy new tricks over the pre-established flow.
I find it funny that that one comment is calling out Tokuda specifically... Did you play Rise, bro? That game had serious balancing issues. It's not just the one team. Both have strengths and weaknesses, because they're humans.
My view of amped state and full release is rather simple. Sure, let full release be the pure damage option, not to such an extreme, but let ZSD be viable for damage with defensive utility. FRS should not have ANY damage mitigation what so ever. Give it resistance to interruption, so taking minor hits doesn't waste it but also so that things like the black flame's fire cone would roast you alive if you were dumb enough to use it at the wrong time. Give each of those attack, that use the same resource, a niche. That's all you have to do, that and don't make FRS all of its damage.
I can't remember which comment, but yup. Each game has major flaws, even my favorites. And FRS taking normal damage is probably a good idea. It could make people think twice about doing so unless they decide to alter their sets like divine blessing, stun res, defender hi etc etc to counter that issue
@@MahnsterHunter Yeah, it makes defensive skills more viable but also makes the choice to use FRS or ZSD matter a whole lot more. You pick either just damage or less damage and damage mitigation.
I agree with pretty much every single point tbh. Continue cooking and never get cold feet again.
Only thing I think would be a nice compromise is passive switch gauge regen while sheathed being increased, while with your weapon out it's decreased, but not zero.
Thats not a bad idea. Currently, it regens quite fast while sheathed, fastest in the series so far so its reasonable
Counter having chip damage is ridiculous when longsword doesn't have it in any of them, at least i hope guard skill work on it, it would be a nice way to spice things up
I don't think guard will work on it but if it does that'd be insane to pair with Offensive Guard. I was thinking of just going for resentment since I'm gonna take the hit if I do CRS or Offset
@@MahnsterHunter offensive guard swax would be awesome imo, it would make the weapon have a fun skill ceiling, whatever is better than full release spam gameplay
Lol but if Offensive guard can be used, it'd probably be obtained just to go into FRS spam again tbf
@MahnsterHunter oh no, the monkey paw is curling 😩
What if the switch gauge was actually charged by switching between modes/ morph attacks. So once you do enough in both axe and sword mode you can go crazy with the full release slash before starting the cycle again.
Edit: maybe amped state instead of the switch gauge that makes more sense now that I think about it lol
Amped state gained on morphs would be wild but switch gauge gained on morphs would just put it back to World/Rise version. Its not a bad feature
at least capcom said something about the swaxe, the charge blade community has been complaining since the OBT and we have not gotten a single word
That's true, I wonder how that's gonna go on launch. If any of the issues were already fixed, they certainly havent said anything
@@MahnsterHunter This games weapons feel so weird man
I'm not gonna lie my hype for wilds is gone because the weapons feel like they are made with sticks and tape lol
weapon feel is the most important thing for me
Armor and skill progression as well as game specific mechanics are neck and neck with weapon feel for me. If those don't click, I'm usually out
@ yeah those are important too but no matter how good the game is if the weapons don't feel good it's not for me
Oh well, poe will keep me busy xD
@KageMH Godspeed my brother
Nice to hear another swaxe main pick up on these issues. I'll admit being a new veteran since world I thought I'd pick up on these better, but even though I sensed something wrong I couldn't put my finger on anything. I just knew my sword mode was depleted faster than a fly on crack. I'm excited for wilds and I'll still use swaxe even if they dont improve it, but that doesn't mean it won't require improvement. That and I know people get annoyed by zsd spam but it's still a style of play and its fun, don't hate on us for enjoying our favorite move and having fun unless it's truly interrupting the hunt.
I remember when Rise first came out, I was spamming Compressed Finishing Discharge and Switch Charger. My friends did not enjoy getting blasted every second, but when I ZSD everything is fine
Why the damage so damn small?
It's probably going to be different when it launches and we get the skills, it might be astronomical with these buffs.
It feels top heavy in the full release slash.
The kit definitely does no favors when it cycles into itself
I think CB will be okay, the fact that Savage Axe and SAED not being mutually exclusive anymore (since Savage Axe doesn't run out when you dump all your phials as it's on a timer) was a great change and we couldn't fully see the power of AED/SAED playstyle due to no skills in the beta. Offensive guard + guard 1/3 would probably make AED/SAED nutty.
But as someone who also mains SA... man. It does feel like whoever is in charge doesn't fully understand the weapon, 4U, GU, and World's iterations were pretty great although I think Rise's was a little too morph spammy (like Valor SA). Hopefully they lock in and make it better cause I was planning on bringing CB and SA to every hunt!
I think the only thing lefts for Charge Blade is to see how it fairs without being able to SAED from neutral and if element phials will be worth it. Impact Phials seems like it'll be pretty good since it has ED's and Savage Axe, but element might be cooked in this game if the values can't keep up. Just like base Rise.
I'd probably say still give it a shot at CB + SA, I'm still hopeful that there's more they haven't showed up.
there's an axe?
pre 5th switch axe.
That's disappointing what they've done. I tried swaxe in gen U but I bounced off of it because it seemed like the axe mode was pretty pointless and easy to skip, (I think I was valor?). When you skip the axe part what you're then left with is basically just a watered down greatsword, which is what I ended up playing instead. In world I bounced off charge blade for the same reason, I thought the idea of the weapon is you have a fast S&S and a slow Axe but in practice you don't really get to choose which one you get to use and when, you kinda always gotta follow the chargeblade script. I ended up playing both sword and shield and greatsword in World, which individually I found each of those weapons to be wayyyy more interesting that the whole charge blade package.
I think their whole philosophy behind transforming weapons is just fundamentally wrong. Their whole idea is, "you use these moves so you can transform and then use these better moves". It feels like you're always on a script and the game makes a lot of decisions for you. I think the way it should be is: you have these strong but flawed moves in each mode, together you have the perfect weapon but you never have access to all of the moves at once.
That's why I appreciate World and Rise's morphing changes, there was more thought to the mechanic itself, even though sword was still the primary mode to be in. Charge Blade sword mode might be more egregious since its only used to give the axe additional damage on phial bursts or blowing it all on SAED
put over 400 hours into world and currently playing through sunbreak, have completed base rise. I def like world better, rise is definitely still fun, and in the beta besides the damage being low I had a ton of fun with my beloved swaxe. I wasn't rlly having many problems besides my sword mode lasting a bit too short, and overall really like the weapon, largely because as of now, I prefer world switch axe over rise and to me in the beta it really just felt like world swaxe with cool new moves to do. I do understand some of these problems, I'm guessing part of the reason i'm not seeing them all super well is because I really like world swaxe, please tell me if there is something I'm missing.
No no, you're not really missing anything. The way you feel about World Switch Axe is justified as it's your personal opinion. I started in 4U, and each time a new game came out, I loved the new version of the weapon because it built off the last. The reason I love Rise Switch Axe the most is because it not only built off the previous versions but also gave so many new features that I didn't even know the weapon needed. Amped state affecting axe with more morph attacks and utility among other things. Its not without its flaws, but it was the most fun I had with the weapon.
Why even call it switch axe anymore? Just call it switch sword since the axe plays second fiddle to sword mode
Its been like that since its debut, axe could never hold a candle to sword
i disagree, ur points revolve around a single premise: that axe is solely there for charging axe mode
nothing wrong with rethinking that premise which is what capcom seems to have in mind. to me it seems that capcom wants to make axe more meaningful to be in by making sword only a little better than axe then making the finisher even more important than always beeing in sword mode so that players are insentivised to go axe --> sword --> finisher ---> repeat.
Its true thzat axe mode only had that one purpose ur speaking of. but to me that made it so that the time spent in axe mode didnt feel good.
It's not bad that they were trying to consider it, it's just the execution. Sword mode was always more important, and by making axe charge the sword while buffing sword numbers just repeats history a different way
Since I haven't played rise/break, I didn't follow all of your requests. I think passive regen on axe mode is almost necessary for the mode's usefulness. Spiral Burst seems like a good addition. Less switch gauge consumption on sword mode would be nice. I am confused at why both Sword and Axe form should have an offset, when sword mode has a parry.
I am pretty new to the series but am liking world's swaxe and the risk reward of zsd vs dps chain (assuming you don't mantle spam).
Yeah someone in the comments earlier pointed out that giving sword an offset would diminish another aspect of Axe mode and I honestly didn't even think about that before having two parries.
@@MahnsterHunter Your series of "how to actually improve" has helped me so much in mhw. Thx for the great mh content, see you in wilds.
The argument about buffing axe mode to be more relevant is just silly im kinda sick of hearing it. Either sword or axe mode is ALWAYS going to do more dps than the other mode, and whichever mode that is, is the mode that people will ALWAYS be looking to use. Complaining about wanting to be in sword mode all the time for optimal dps is just redundant since if axe mode had optimal dps then people would just have the same argument but flipped. People also seem to forget that this is a beta where we have terrible gear. Switch axe has always been a weapon that’s fairly weak early game and really starts to shine once you start getting solid skill. We know skills like rapid morph are making a return in wilds so let’s just wait and see how the weapon feels with some actual decent skills and actual decent weapon that isn’t the basic starter one ey
You're hearing about it now more than ever because the gap between them keeps expanding while they try to add reasons to be in axe. If they want real reasons to be in axe mode, they have to truly apply it on all levels rather than bandaid fixes to get you back to sword quicker. You're taking the main point a different direction by saying "...if axe mode had optimal dps..." because its not about making it MORE effective than sword, its about balancing the two. Axe mode should be the segway while the sword is out of commission, so you have the choice of either reloading or toughing it out. Thats not the case with Wilds, you just blow meter and spiral burst back to sword and yet they gave it active regen and power axe giving a raw increase which doesnt last long and is irrelevant compared to sword numbers. Balance, not overwhelming the other.
Also, no one has forgotten that this is beta and using the argument that it is beta can also support the other side. If this is how the weapon plays now, then the introduction of skills will obviously make using FRS stronger than it is right now. It doesn't take much to brainstorm how the explosions arent fixed which means they can crit, rapid morph can dramatically increase the loop speed for FRS since other morph attacks have less effective motion values compared to base Rise morph attacks, minor defensive skills could support the knockback res of CRS and FRS, utility skills like focus and power prolonger could reduce axe usage due to spiral burst gain and increased time to use FRS respectively. Plus, another aspect that makes switch axe weak early game compared to others is a compound issue of its early weapons. Low sharpness levels on average, weaker phial types with small values, and a lack of immediately effective skills outside of attack