I enjoy discussing these with my mom (who's a devout Christian) and the confused and concerned looks on her face when I explain to her that there are other Archangels aside from Michael and Gabriel is really funny, and it's really interesting to learn about the obscure parts of Judeo-Christian lore and history. Megaten has made me more interested in learning about religion than any Church or Theology class ever will
Awesome, I always get happy when people say they learn from my videos and discuss with other people. I hope you research more and come back for later episodes
Gabriel is not described as an archangel in the Bible, he's just referred to as being an Angel. There's is only one named Archangel in the Bible and it's Michael
what makes me kinda sad is that these poor archangels don't really have much of a personality, nothing beyond "heil YHVH". Gabriel is a bit explored in SMT 2, but the others are sadly quite unexplored despite their importance.
It would be interesting to see each archangel's personality more in a later game absolutely. Most people have an inherent hatred towards LAW anything though sadly
@@Tony4You SMT team does not help, making everything they can to show us how awful it is to follow law or chaos. So long for the "there is not good ending, you follow your beliefs" initial promise. They even "corrected" the law and chaos ending of Strange Journey in Redux, making them more neutral. I think that law and chaos have unfair treatment by SMT authors (except for DS Overclocked, and the original Strange Journey).
@@Dardouan Huh, to me it's the other way around; the original Strange Journey treated Law and Chaos like the other mainline games do, with Redux and DSO being the only games to treat them fairly.
@@ltb1345 Utterly false. SJ did a near perfect balance of the three alignments. Redux still frames new neutral as the perfect route when it’s literally just as bad as old neutral but the game massages your ego. New law goes all « we’re doing brainwashing, but NICER brainwashing! Totally different! See we don’t hate law!». SJR doesn’t improve the endings (and making them happier does not mean they’re better written, because they’re absolutely not), it just frames them in a good way that satisfies fragile fake smt fans. Old neutral is like you doing drugs and your parents find out. New neutral is like you doing drugs without ever being found out. What a good message to send to players! You don’t need to improve yourself if you’re never faced with the consequences of your actions! Just don’t get grabbed! Totally fits humanism, I’m sure Rabelais would agree with you Atlus. Humanity shouldn’t improve, amazing! Way to not understand anything from your journey through the schwartzwelt. It’s funny because George spells it out for you how shitty old neutral was, only for new neutral to be the exact same! « Knowing the schwartzwelt could be destroyed has lead humans to never improve » (I’m paraphrasing but it is the meaning they were trying to convey.) Lol Lmao Rofl We’re supposed to think this is a good ending? How did anyone miss this line??? I’m fucking tired of smt fans sometimes. I’d say you have a point about DSO, but i don’t feel it. They made law almost too good in that game. 8th day was entirely dedicated to delete every flaw associated with law. It embodies all my issues i have with neutral routes, they feel too golden. Even the chaos rep is at his best with the law ending and becomes a better person. Meanwhile you get a shitty cliffhanger for chaos. Woo yeah the kid with the power of a demon whose only feat was forcing God to actually come down and fight him, yet still losing, is totally gonna beat God this time in his own realm, where he’s actually at full power. Sure you get stupid offhand forced anti-law comments by Atsuro to make it look morally grey but, lmao, it’s not. What makes law interesting are its problems. Smt’s alignments aren’t things you should believe in nor take seriously, they’re either too extreme, completely idiotic (Redux), or sad caricatures of real philosophies. So they might as well be entertaining. Which neutral fails to be for me. Stripping Law of any flaw is like rewriting Voltaire’s Candide but deleting every instance of a human being evil (you’d only have the Eldorado part haha).
@@Dardouan >They even "corrected" the law and chaos ending of Strange Journey in Redux, making them more neutral. What? They didn't make them more neutral, they just made following Chaos and Law not awful. Fixed what you complain about at the start. OG SJ propably had worst endings, the main difference being that even neutral was bad. For the world that is, that doesn't mean story is bad, just that it was incredibly bleak and you chose your kind of hell, instead of choosing the path you wanna take. In SJR they are somewhat more reasonable, and it's one of few games where every aligment gets a fair treatment.
IMO they are the most inconsistent characters in regards their power, somerimes they are a joke (Nocturne and V), an endgame threat (I, II and IV) and sometimes so powerful that their pressence means the end of the world like in DeSu Overclocked how Metatron tries to brings them to the battle.
Honestly the DeSu versions feels the best. Like the fact in that game them being called upon into battle means Armageddon(Even though that's already happened in most of the smt titles hah)and that's how they should be. The seraphim are the big league of the heavenly host and their presence should be as such.
As a Christian hearing thess lore videos fills me with warmth and a love for god. Wish all the best my brothers and sisters. SMT is a great series. For nocturne my final team was Raphael, Beelzebub and Vishnu
@@alexterieur8813 I personally don’t see it that way….. I admit, I’m not an expert on SMT but from what I’ve heard the original SMT game was (among other things) a critique of modern society…..and while they might be portrayed as “bad”, I consider it to more “ambiguous”. There’s also the way that the Japanese people tend to see religion, and I don’t mean just Christianity but the whole concept of religion in general. But either way it’s a work of fiction, so there’s no need to take things too serious.
An an atheist i just love to research and learn about religion belifs around the world I do have to say though the more i learn the less i belive in it to the point that now i dont really have any spiritual belifs anymore I always liked how smt can make people from very opposites of the religional spectrum come together to like the same franchise
Gabriel is probably my favorite of the archangels. I love the serenity and peacefulness aspect in the design in smt. Then again I’ve always loved the divine and herald race in general due to how much help I’ve gotten from them in game.
I would have liked seeing your thoughts on the SMTIV Archangel designs. Personally, I'll always have a soft spot for Raphael, who really helped out for Nyx in Persona 3 with his charm immunity. But my favorite is probably Gabriel for her role in SMT2, and her general design.
I deliberately didn't add my thoughts on the SMTIV angels since I really dislike them and didn't want to change the vibe. Raphael is always a useful demon and Gabriel is a fan favorite!
@@Tony4You Fair enough, they are radically different and I'm not surprised if people don't like them much. I think they're an interesting angle to take for them, but I am glad it was just a design used for those two games. I wouldn't want their nice older designs to be lost.
@@Tony4You Why do you dislike them? I think they fit. I dislike the humanoid designs probably for the SAME reason you dislike the radical designs of SMTIV. A lot of the upper angels in SMT start to deviate from humanoid and go into more biblical depictions with Thrones, Cherubs, Seraphs, etc. I believe the Archangels should be the same. PLUS their robotic like Angel's redesign in SMTV and Metatron/Sandelphon. So you like Metatron's design and Sandels... But the Archangels is where you draw the line? I'm a consistency kind of guy. So imo a mix match of V with angel and then all the upper looking angels being robotic is perfect. The Archangels designs are just perfect imo. We're not meant to comprehend them.
Not to sound dumb, but I just realized that Michael's design in SMT IV has a more draconic design as a nod to the artistic depictions of him crushing the head of Satan, who took on the form of a dragon.
Ah my favorite party members! =D Out of the four my favorite is Michael, with Uriel being a close second thanks to his design in SMT. Its a shame that besides Gabriel, they don't really get to do much outside of SMT1 and are easily fooled.
To be fair; Church is supposed to guide you on the path of righteousness and salvation, not talk about trivial matters. As interesting as the angelic hierarchy is, it is not necessary to learn about it for the soul's eternal salvation. But, if it interests you (and it does interest me, admittedly), sure, look it up.
One thing I always found interesting is how, in spite of them being called Archangels, they're all actually Seraphim. Because of the Angelic Order, this can be unnecessarily confusing, even though it really isn't--for me, at least. But on that same subject, even in Megami Tensei, where separate Archangels and Seraphim exist, Michael, Gabriel, Raphael, and Uriel all look distinctively unique from not just the other angels, but from themselves. As much as I love Kaneko's original designs, I'll be honest, the depictions from SMT4 have been growing on me. They really capture the incomprehensible yet awesome holy power that they possess; they also give me massive Bayonetta vibes too lol. And just coming from a language and philological nerd like myself, it's really cool how much Hebrew I've indirectly learned from your channel!! For example, I've taken note how names ending in the suffix "-el" are somehow related to God, and because of that, it's made me look at many of the series' demons with Hebrew-derived names in a brand new light. The angelic demons of MegaTen have been some of my personal favourites, but they haven't gotten the presentation and attention they deserve until now. I'm really glad your channel keeps uploading, and I'm so thankful for all the content you've provided. Thank you, Mr. Tony4You!!
El is the hebrew word for God :D In Kaballah there are angels with the same name but different functions, for example Archangel Michael and Seraphim Michael would be two different entities sharing the same name, they see the name more as a function than as a name like how we use it.
Imagine being friends with Raphael, I would be kinda sad after he leaves. I would be like, I hope we meet again :( But at least we all know Arch Angels have personalities and warmth.
I appreciate the work you do with SMT, in addition to the game lore I'm also very interested in angelology, so your videos are always fantastic to watch. Your channel deserves more attention, keep up the great work!
I know quite a bit of people dunk on the smt4 designs because they are from a guest artist who "didn't follow the rules of creating a demon" (ya'll should know who I'm talking about), but I think in terms of what they represent in smt4, I really like them. When you look at their designs and compare them to their roles in the story, it is very clear the game is trying to tell you that these angels are not normal compared to the others, they are really important and while they have very vague humanoid aesthetics they are clearly creatures that are modeled to be God's followers and minions and are not to be messed with. Its really sad that recently SMT4 has been getting crapped on for pretty petty reasons and whenever you praise things about it you get called an apologist or "oh you're a new fan so you're more likely to forgive errors". Being in this fandom when you are aware of those types of fans are tough. TL;DR SMT4 archangels are underrated
My favorite one is Uriel, he is canon in my Orthodox Christianity, i really like his role as aspect of God's fire, and SMT giving him strong fire spells makes good work on presenting this aspect, his design in series is cool, like his haircut especially, also Uriel is the one who guards gates of Eden and governs the Sun, really like his multitasking, also he is scp-001.
Interestingly, because the misunderstanding behind the name “Lucifer” in the Book of Isaiah (as well as ‘Lucifer’s’ cultural importance and the proliferation of the Book of Enoch which people have connected Satanail to be Satan/Lucifer) many people of Christian tradition understand the 4 archangels to be Michael, Gabriel, Raphael, and Lucifer.
Speaking of books removed from the bible, I think good thing to mention how their roles differ, some have 4 archangels, others 7 and some say Michael is the only arch angel, its quite confusing.
Yeah it is extremely confusing when it comes to what is canon, what is commonly known, and what is worth mentioning. I wanted to Focus on the big four though
Hey Tony, make a video of the "Seven Arcangels" that Raphael mentioned in the book of Tobit, where he said, "I am one of the seven" but we only know 4 (5 with metatron) It will be interesting
Yes a lot of people have been asking about that. Uriel, Raphael, Raguel, Michael, Sariel, Gabriel, and Remiel are all very interesting. Maybe at a later day I could go over them for sure
Just wanted to say I recently found your channel, I always wanted to dig in more on each mythology's background from SMT. You are doing a phenomenal job, keep the videos coming~!
I feel like Atlus greatly underestimates angels. we're talking about beings who can render an entire city blind, who can solo entire armies of trained warriors, who can wipe out significant portions of a nation's population over the course of a single night, who can *knock the freaking stars out of the sky, possibly without needing to put any conscious effort into doing so.* I'd say they should generally be more than a match for their demonic counterparts. let alone the various "gods".
@@yoman5029 possibly? if Goku fought one of these angels, his defeat would be an absolute certainty. Goku's ki is a physical energy, that affects physical beings. angels are 100% spiritual. unless we take the manga into consideration, where Goku learns the Hakai, he can do practically nothing against a Biblical angel.
@@yoman5029 the feats I mentioned are sort of a mixture of the capabilities of both varieties. I personally do not know if the angels sent to obliterate armies were normal angels or Archangels.
@@christopherbravo1813 i heard that the regular angels were slightly stronger than humans, but not as strong as the other angels in the angel hierarchy. i interpret those feats as the rank of an average archangel
You can have all four in your party, easiest to do if you are Bethel aligned and choose the Bethel ending. My favourite was Gabriel. She had high ice pieroma and Ice Age, a skill I particularly coveted. She executed the coup de gras on Lucifer and took out a morning star with Glacial Blast. Totally badass. If you did have an angel protector, I'd want it to be Gabriel.
Uriel seems the most interesting archangel, as he's in such close proximity to humans helping them as best as he can with interpreting God. Something he himself might not be able to do. What he can do for sure is judge your soul, but he really doesn't want it to come to that
@@dragonasc8410 eh, I'd say either Michael is stronger than Atlus thinks, Satan is *weaker* than Atlus thinks, or God was empowering Michael with the strength to prevail.
Idea for next video: either a top ten best deomns designs since you did a top worst or demons that are not present in smt or that you want an updated design like huitzilopochtli from Aztec and Ereshkigal from Mesopotamia.
0:07 yeah, with designs like that the phrase "be not afraid" isn't very convincing. But aside from, the Michael lore made him out to be very impressive. Back in smt 2 when he said he beat lucifer I USED to think he was full of shit, but now all my doubts have been erased.
Legit though, this video is a great analysis of the bibliographical angels and how they relate to each other. I could never imagine how you decide which mythos to go with since most religions devoted to Christ and God have their own versions of the bible.
Thanks a lot! It takes a lot of research, but luckily the Abrahamic religions texts are easy to get a hold of online for free. I hope everyone can go on to dig deeper than even my video gives. It's all so interesting so it's hard to decide what to put in or leave out
@@Tony4You I do digs of it myself for a completely different game, Helltaker, because I like seeing what little nods they put in, but this series has really made me appreciate the Abrahamic representations of the Megami Tensei series. I do wonder though, there's like 2 Jesus Christs in the SMT/Per. games, right? How do those compare? Would be an interesting video. But I do hope you keep this rolling! I know I'm fairly new to the channel but dang, you got great content and a wonderful voice! Keep up the good work!
What always makes me wonder is why, in english at least, Michael is pronounced with the "ae" as a diphthong, i.e. the name only has two syllables, where most other names that end in the suffix -el (the "god" part) phonetically separate it, e.g. Gabriel, Uriel, Raphael, etc have three syllables. Wonder why that is.
@@NakuNaito in theory, the names are supposed to have three syllables to represent their dedication and devotion to the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit. it could be that the name of micheal is just lost in translation such as many others in the English language.
I personally like far more the designs of the Archangels in Devil Children, as I find their mainline designs a bit generic. Just as a few examples, Uriel is a knight with a flaming armor, and Raphael is an angel doctor. (Taking the meaning of his name rather literally.) But I HAVE to mention Raphael's incarnation from the Devil Children Light And Dark anime, who while at first is the Comic Relief character. He ends up hooking up with Rangda (Who here is a cute girl with pink skin instead of an ugly witch) and manages to act as a dentist to a freaking Hydra! I think this might be one of the only pieces of Megaten material where a male angel not only ended up with a female demon, but it also did NOT end in tragedy!
@@christopherbravo1813 It is worth mentioning that YHVH straight up DOES NOT exist in any of the Devil Children continuities. Instead, the creator of the Devil Children world is an original creator goddess known as Hoshigami. The Light And Dark anime has almost all of its episodes on a Daily Motion channel, but a number of episodes (From 9 go around 20 I believe) are missing. I believe there was a youtube channel that had the missing episodes that you could find by putting the series's japanese name. However I dont know if its still around. There is also the alternative that, if you are willing to go the "BEING A PIRATE IS ALRIGHT WITH ME!!!" Route. You could try to look up the series on Nyaa torrents. (Cant remember if the full series is there though) A pain in the ass that while the anime based on the Gameboy Color games had a full re-release with all of the episodes, the Light And Dark anime only had VHS releases. And I dont know if it has gotten anything as of now. (Also, obvious side note. All of this stuff is untranslated.)
@@christopherbravo1813 Sorry! I just take Devil Children somewhat seriously, as it is the very first Megaten media I was introduced to. And yeah, it is a massive pain in the ass to try to find all of the episodes of the Light And Dark anime. And the worst part about this is that, even if you find all of the episodes... SPOILER ALERT SPOILER ALERT SPOILER ALERT The anime ends on a cliffhanger that was never picked up.
hey babe wake up, new Tony4You vid is out Really cool learning more details about these legends! Always thought it was cool how in fights where they act together, they cover each other's weaknesses so well. Always wondered though, what's their relation to Merkabah (or rather, does them fusing together in SMTIV to make Merkabah make any sense hahaha)?
Hmm that's a good question. As far as I know the Merkabah is God's chariot, which is referenced in the biblical texts regarding Elijah. He was brought up into heaven with a flaming chariot much like the Merkabah. I'd have to do more research but it would be very interesting
Amazing video as always I'd would amazing if you covered Islamic archangels. They share Gabriel and Michael. There is Azrael Who is the angel of death. It is said that he have 4 faces, 4000 wings, and 70,000 feet, and his whole body consists of eyes and tongues whose number corresponds to the number of humans inhabiting the Earth. Israfil (one of the best designs in smt in my opinion) who blows the trumpet in judgment day similar to trumpeter from book of revelations.
I was thinking of including them. but thought the video would be much much longer if I covered all archangels. I would like to cover them in the future though for sure!
Fun fact: In Mormonism, those angels were people before they had their physical bodies, like Jehovah was Jesus before he came to earth. Michael and Jehova lead the creation of the Earth along with the rest of humanity, overseen by God and his wife. Later, Michael was incarnated as Adam and became the first prophet of the first dispensation. He's also the angel who came to confort Jesus in the garden of Gethsemane, where Jesus suffered so much he bleed through his skin. It's has also been said that Gabriel was Noah.
Every time I name these guys, i say Uriel, Raphael and Gabriel in the most fanciest way as possible and then go monotone plain with Michael. Not MI-KHAEL. Michael
So there is a difference between the 4 archangels vs the “generic” archangels. So the 4 archangels are seraphim and not part of the 8rth order where generic archangels are in
What's the music during the Gabriel segment? it's familiar, not sure I've played the (SMT?) game it's from (EDIT: Figured it out. SMT4A. Literally playing it right now lol)
"Went blind from an accident involving bird poop." Hmmm, bird poop, maybe a staph infection, maybe it's metaphor? 'Salt Peter,' one ingredient of gun powder derived from bird poop, bat guano etc. Maybe he was making gun powder? Poof, went blind.
I always found it interesting that angels were called demons. I did a bit of research and found that it's not too far from how humans would see them. In fact it's also referenced as such by the works of several occultists and prophets. Angel meaning messenger of the Lord, but what is an angel that does not work for the Lord? Well we saw that one third rebelled and "became demons". Pretty fascinating honestly and for biblical or even peripheral texts to mention this incredibly interesting and makes me wonder if that's why the SMT team went with the description they did for demons in their games.
Pretty much every deity under YHVH's presence is a demon, and Divines/Heralds are called demons too because it would be annoying to have them as separate species
Tbh they are called demons because it's just a japanese thing. They can't call them youkais that is a word to any supernatural being so they are demons.
Wish they put more Mesoamerican, Indigenous American and African mythical creatures in SMT V, powers/design wise, the potential for a lot of those demons and creatures is crazy
There's a total of 10 Archangels according to the Kabbalah and a majority of them are acknowledged by most Abrahamic Religions to some capacity. But saying they are all archangels is basically lumping them in with their lower class counterparts. The 10 span the entire choir hierarchy.
I enjoy discussing these with my mom (who's a devout Christian) and the confused and concerned looks on her face when I explain to her that there are other Archangels aside from Michael and Gabriel is really funny, and it's really interesting to learn about the obscure parts of Judeo-Christian lore and history.
Megaten has made me more interested in learning about religion than any Church or Theology class ever will
Awesome, I always get happy when people say they learn from my videos and discuss with other people. I hope you research more and come back for later episodes
Gabriel is not described as an archangel in the Bible, he's just referred to as being an Angel. There's is only one named Archangel in the Bible and it's Michael
They're always fun when they fight as a group and use their different coverage and roles like in Nocturne and 5
They only join forces in a few games, but they are a sight to behold all together. These games are great
@@Tony4You including DDS 2
Learning the stories of these mythological figures since they were already included in the games make SMT one of my favourite rpg series
Happy I could help you appreciate the games and lore behind them more! Always makes me happy to get comments like this
what makes me kinda sad is that these poor archangels don't really have much of a personality, nothing beyond "heil YHVH". Gabriel is a bit explored in SMT 2, but the others are sadly quite unexplored despite their importance.
It would be interesting to see each archangel's personality more in a later game absolutely. Most people have an inherent hatred towards LAW anything though sadly
@@Tony4You SMT team does not help, making everything they can to show us how awful it is to follow law or chaos. So long for the "there is not good ending, you follow your beliefs" initial promise. They even "corrected" the law and chaos ending of Strange Journey in Redux, making them more neutral. I think that law and chaos have unfair treatment by SMT authors (except for DS Overclocked, and the original Strange Journey).
@@Dardouan Huh, to me it's the other way around; the original Strange Journey treated Law and Chaos like the other mainline games do, with Redux and DSO being the only games to treat them fairly.
@@ltb1345 Utterly false. SJ did a near perfect balance of the three alignments.
Redux still frames new neutral as the perfect route when it’s literally just as bad as old neutral but the game massages your ego. New law goes all « we’re doing brainwashing, but NICER brainwashing! Totally different! See we don’t hate law!».
SJR doesn’t improve the endings (and making them happier does not mean they’re better written, because they’re absolutely not), it just frames them in a good way that satisfies fragile fake smt fans.
Old neutral is like you doing drugs and your parents find out. New neutral is like you doing drugs without ever being found out. What a good message to send to players! You don’t need to improve yourself if you’re never faced with the consequences of your actions! Just don’t get grabbed! Totally fits humanism, I’m sure Rabelais would agree with you Atlus. Humanity shouldn’t improve, amazing! Way to not understand anything from your journey through the schwartzwelt. It’s funny because George spells it out for you how shitty old neutral was, only for new neutral to be the exact same!
« Knowing the schwartzwelt could be destroyed has lead humans to never improve » (I’m paraphrasing but it is the meaning they were trying to convey.)
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We’re supposed to think this is a good ending? How did anyone miss this line??? I’m fucking tired of smt fans sometimes.
I’d say you have a point about DSO, but i don’t feel it. They made law almost too good in that game. 8th day was entirely dedicated to delete every flaw associated with law. It embodies all my issues i have with neutral routes, they feel too golden. Even the chaos rep is at his best with the law ending and becomes a better person. Meanwhile you get a shitty cliffhanger for chaos. Woo yeah the kid with the power of a demon whose only feat was forcing God to actually come down and fight him, yet still losing, is totally gonna beat God this time in his own realm, where he’s actually at full power.
Sure you get stupid offhand forced anti-law comments by Atsuro to make it look morally grey but, lmao, it’s not.
What makes law interesting are its problems. Smt’s alignments aren’t things you should believe in nor take seriously, they’re either too extreme, completely idiotic (Redux), or sad caricatures of real philosophies. So they might as well be entertaining. Which neutral fails to be for me.
Stripping Law of any flaw is like rewriting Voltaire’s Candide but deleting every instance of a human being evil (you’d only have the Eldorado part haha).
@@Dardouan
>They even "corrected" the law and chaos ending of Strange Journey in Redux, making them more neutral.
What? They didn't make them more neutral, they just made following Chaos and Law not awful. Fixed what you complain about at the start.
OG SJ propably had worst endings, the main difference being that even neutral was bad. For the world that is, that doesn't mean story is bad, just that it was incredibly bleak and you chose your kind of hell, instead of choosing the path you wanna take.
In SJR they are somewhat more reasonable, and it's one of few games where every aligment gets a fair treatment.
My favorite is Gabriel. She definitely fits the "Guardian Angel" archetype perfecly
IMO they are the most inconsistent characters in regards their power, somerimes they are a joke (Nocturne and V), an endgame threat (I, II and IV) and sometimes so powerful that their pressence means the end of the world like in DeSu Overclocked how Metatron tries to brings them to the battle.
Yeah it is weird how they utilize them. They are treated with respect whenever in the game though usually
Honestly the DeSu versions feels the best.
Like the fact in that game them being called upon into battle means Armageddon(Even though that's already happened in most of the smt titles hah)and that's how they should be. The seraphim are the big league of the heavenly host and their presence should be as such.
Well, most of the games take place in different universes.
demi-fiend and nahobino are just that strong compared to the rest
@@maramba32 damn right
The Archangels are such interesting demons to me, knowing more about them is nice
Thanks a lot! I hope people enjoy and learn something from the video
@@Tony4You yeah, I really liked learned about them, so I hope more people can appreciate the video 😅
why are angels called demons?
@Koops Akimoto thank you for telling me
Archangels are demons??? Hold on
As a Christian hearing thess lore videos fills me with warmth and a love for god. Wish all the best my brothers and sisters. SMT is a great series. For nocturne my final team was Raphael, Beelzebub and Vishnu
One of the most wholesome comments I’ve ever read.
True and based, God bless.
Doesnt it bother you how SMT critiques God and religion as concepts?
@@alexterieur8813 I personally don’t see it that way….. I admit, I’m not an expert on SMT but from what I’ve heard the original SMT game was (among other things) a critique of modern society…..and while they might be portrayed as “bad”, I consider it to more “ambiguous”.
There’s also the way that the Japanese people tend to see religion, and I don’t mean just Christianity but the whole concept of religion in general.
But either way it’s a work of fiction, so there’s no need to take things too serious.
An an atheist i just love to research and learn about religion belifs around the world
I do have to say though the more i learn the less i belive in it to the point that now i dont really have any spiritual belifs anymore
I always liked how smt can make people from very opposites of the religional spectrum come together to like the same franchise
Gabriel is probably my favorite of the archangels. I love the serenity and peacefulness aspect in the design in smt. Then again I’ve always loved the divine and herald race in general due to how much help I’ve gotten from them in game.
I believe in Herald supremacy. Gabriel specifically is always one of the most useful allies
Gabriel is best waifu
I would have liked seeing your thoughts on the SMTIV Archangel designs. Personally, I'll always have a soft spot for Raphael, who really helped out for Nyx in Persona 3 with his charm immunity. But my favorite is probably Gabriel for her role in SMT2, and her general design.
I deliberately didn't add my thoughts on the SMTIV angels since I really dislike them and didn't want to change the vibe. Raphael is always a useful demon and Gabriel is a fan favorite!
@@Tony4You Fair enough, they are radically different and I'm not surprised if people don't like them much. I think they're an interesting angle to take for them, but I am glad it was just a design used for those two games. I wouldn't want their nice older designs to be lost.
@@Tony4You Why do you dislike them? I think they fit. I dislike the humanoid designs probably for the SAME reason you dislike the radical designs of SMTIV. A lot of the upper angels in SMT start to deviate from humanoid and go into more biblical depictions with Thrones, Cherubs, Seraphs, etc. I believe the Archangels should be the same. PLUS their robotic like Angel's redesign in SMTV and Metatron/Sandelphon. So you like Metatron's design and Sandels... But the Archangels is where you draw the line? I'm a consistency kind of guy. So imo a mix match of V with angel and then all the upper looking angels being robotic is perfect. The Archangels designs are just perfect imo. We're not meant to comprehend them.
@@Tony4You Y don’t you like them?
@@Tony4You I like the aethetic of the Archangels well enough, but the only demon to REALLY make it work is Lilith.
Michael is my favorite! He did conquer the Dragon by himself! Praise to the Creator!
Not to sound dumb, but I just realized that Michael's design in SMT IV has a more draconic design as a nod to the artistic depictions of him crushing the head of Satan, who took on the form of a dragon.
Ah my favorite party members! =D Out of the four my favorite is Michael, with Uriel being a close second thanks to his design in SMT. Its a shame that besides Gabriel, they don't really get to do much outside of SMT1 and are easily fooled.
Agreed, they really deserve a bigger role in the story. Though them being so high level does kinda relegate them to the end game
Loved this one. Was talking to a friend about angels last night, so strange how timing can be with things.
God has divine timing, does He not? I hope you are able to share what you learned here with your pal! :D
I have played SMT1 recently and i find Michael to be very cool, he looks like Is wearing shades so i find that funny
He's the leader and the coolest. He gets to wear the shades 😎
Your channel teaches me more about religion than the Church ever did lmao
Call it a public service lol. These videos help me learn a ton as well. Happy to make them
To be fair; Church is supposed to guide you on the path of righteousness and salvation, not talk about trivial matters. As interesting as the angelic hierarchy is, it is not necessary to learn about it for the soul's eternal salvation. But, if it interests you (and it does interest me, admittedly), sure, look it up.
Uriel for Lore, Gabriel for design
Mine is Michael for both
One thing I always found interesting is how, in spite of them being called Archangels, they're all actually Seraphim. Because of the Angelic Order, this can be unnecessarily confusing, even though it really isn't--for me, at least. But on that same subject, even in Megami Tensei, where separate Archangels and Seraphim exist, Michael, Gabriel, Raphael, and Uriel all look distinctively unique from not just the other angels, but from themselves. As much as I love Kaneko's original designs, I'll be honest, the depictions from SMT4 have been growing on me. They really capture the incomprehensible yet awesome holy power that they possess; they also give me massive Bayonetta vibes too lol.
And just coming from a language and philological nerd like myself, it's really cool how much Hebrew I've indirectly learned from your channel!! For example, I've taken note how names ending in the suffix "-el" are somehow related to God, and because of that, it's made me look at many of the series' demons with Hebrew-derived names in a brand new light. The angelic demons of MegaTen have been some of my personal favourites, but they haven't gotten the presentation and attention they deserve until now. I'm really glad your channel keeps uploading, and I'm so thankful for all the content you've provided. Thank you, Mr. Tony4You!!
El is the hebrew word for God :D
In Kaballah there are angels with the same name but different functions, for example Archangel Michael and Seraphim Michael would be two different entities sharing the same name, they see the name more as a function than as a name like how we use it.
@@sosu6227 That's actually really interesting!! Thank you so much for that awesome fact~!!
Imagine being friends with Raphael, I would be kinda sad after he leaves. I would be like, I hope we meet again :(
But at least we all know Arch Angels have personalities and warmth.
Book of Tobit
Azariah was a real bro. I hope I meet someone like him someday :(
The Book of Tobit, otherwise known as "Tobias and Azariah's Excellent Adventure!"
I appreciate the work you do with SMT, in addition to the game lore I'm also very interested in angelology, so your videos are always fantastic to watch. Your channel deserves more attention, keep up the great work!
I appreciate it a lot! I hope I can have an audience of people that love SMT, people that love theology, and everyone in between
I know quite a bit of people dunk on the smt4 designs because they are from a guest artist who "didn't follow the rules of creating a demon" (ya'll should know who I'm talking about), but I think in terms of what they represent in smt4, I really like them. When you look at their designs and compare them to their roles in the story, it is very clear the game is trying to tell you that these angels are not normal compared to the others, they are really important and while they have very vague humanoid aesthetics they are clearly creatures that are modeled to be God's followers and minions and are not to be messed with. Its really sad that recently SMT4 has been getting crapped on for pretty petty reasons and whenever you praise things about it you get called an apologist or "oh you're a new fan so you're more likely to forgive errors". Being in this fandom when you are aware of those types of fans are tough. TL;DR SMT4 archangels are underrated
Damn that explanation was very well written love these character designs across persona and smt gave u a sub so that i can learn more about them
My favorite one is Uriel, he is canon in my Orthodox Christianity, i really like his role as aspect of God's fire, and SMT giving him strong fire spells makes good work on presenting this aspect, his design in series is cool, like his haircut especially, also Uriel is the one who guards gates of Eden and governs the Sun, really like his multitasking, also he is scp-001.
SCP 001 was Uriel?? O thought it was Michael , cool!
@@richariot8325 yeah the burning sword, I always thought Michael was more of a spear dude
Wish he was canon for us catholics as well
wait, when does Uriel use fire magic in Megami Tensei? I mostly see him using other elements.
Lol the use of cannon to describe the differences in faith is hilarious
Interestingly, because the misunderstanding behind the name “Lucifer” in the Book of Isaiah (as well as ‘Lucifer’s’ cultural importance and the proliferation of the Book of Enoch which people have connected Satanail to be Satan/Lucifer) many people of Christian tradition understand the 4 archangels to be Michael, Gabriel, Raphael, and Lucifer.
That is interesting, I can see that happening over the years. Learning more about this stuff has made my head spin so many times
Speaking of books removed from the bible, I think good thing to mention how their roles differ, some have 4 archangels, others 7 and some say Michael is the only arch angel, its quite confusing.
Yeah it is extremely confusing when it comes to what is canon, what is commonly known, and what is worth mentioning. I wanted to Focus on the big four though
Very interesting video!! Loved it. I think Uriel is my favorite out of these
Uriel is a really cool guy. Shame his book was taken out of the bible
I stayed up late watching a bunch of SMT lore videos. This upload had perfect timing
Thanks! I really enjoy making videos in this series and am so glad people can enjoy them and even binge them lol
Glad you made this video. SMT makes this stuff super cool
Absolutely man. I'm glad I can share my passion of theology through the series and people enjoy it
The four archangels were my favorites in SMT.
Gotta give my preference to Gabriel. The one who told of the Lord's coming to Mary naturally.
Honestly found this video really interesting, even coming from someone who hasn't played any SMT
Hey thanks. I try to make it interesting to everyone, and hopefully get them to try out the series.
"So Heavens got a hit man?!?!"
"And he did a favor for YOU!!!"
Raphael is the heavenly assassin. A gentleman with humans, not so much with demons
@@Tony4You I was referencing the dresden files, but thank you for further clarification =)
bro i literally felt it in the universe u would upload today 🖤🖤
It was the great will that brought this video here lol
My Favorite is Gabriel
Reason: My mom named me afther angel Gabriel
Also i like his mysterious messanger vibe
Dude, I've been looking forward to this video! So excited!
Thanks a lot! I loved making this video and hope people enjoy it!
@@Tony4You I'm sure they will! Keep up the great work!
Hey Tony, make a video of the "Seven Arcangels" that Raphael mentioned in the book of Tobit, where he said, "I am one of the seven" but we only know 4 (5 with metatron) It will be interesting
Yes a lot of people have been asking about that. Uriel, Raphael, Raguel, Michael, Sariel, Gabriel, and Remiel are all very interesting. Maybe at a later day I could go over them for sure
I think the other three were actually Jophiel, Camael, and Zadkiel.
Always excited when I see a vid of yours in my feed to listen to while at work
Thanks a lot! I'm happy I can be a part of someone's day
Oh, now I get it why you are "Tony *Four* You", and not just some guy called Tony. Let me tell you, that is some divine stuff you got there.
Call it a coincidence lol. Four is a lucky number as they say
@@Tony4You unless you're Japanese.
@@jasonblundelldobebussing Or chinese.
wake up babe new tony4you video
😎
Im looking forward to see:
Who is Sandalphon (To complement Metatron video)
(Asumming you get enough info)
Who is Merkabah
Who is Abdiel
This who is series gets more on the list to cover every episode lol
Don't forget Remiel.
"For God to be truely merciful, he must allow evil to exist."
Never though about it like that.
Yeah honestly me neither before researching the angels. This video was really fun to make
Just wanted to say I recently found your channel, I always wanted to dig in more on each mythology's background from SMT. You are doing a phenomenal job, keep the videos coming~!
Thanks a lot! Appreciate everyone that like the videos and I'm glad I could share my passion with other likeminded people!
Your content is so good dude
Hey thanks! I hope you'll like what's to come too
Thanks for another fire video 🥰
Thanks for enjoying it! More to come
I feel like Atlus greatly underestimates angels.
we're talking about beings who can render an entire city blind, who can solo entire armies of trained warriors, who can wipe out significant portions of a nation's population over the course of a single night, who can *knock the freaking stars out of the sky, possibly without needing to put any conscious effort into doing so.*
I'd say they should generally be more than a match for their demonic counterparts. let alone the various "gods".
goku could possibly be killed off by said angels aside from the ""holy beats everything"" schtick...if he was caught off-guard/blinded by light.
@@yoman5029 possibly?
if Goku fought one of these angels, his defeat would be an absolute certainty.
Goku's ki is a physical energy, that affects physical beings. angels are 100% spiritual.
unless we take the manga into consideration, where Goku learns the Hakai, he can do practically nothing against a Biblical angel.
@@christopherbravo1813 by angels you mean the archangels, or all the angel classes in general?
@@yoman5029 the feats I mentioned are sort of a mixture of the capabilities of both varieties. I personally do not know if the angels sent to obliterate armies were normal angels or Archangels.
@@christopherbravo1813 i heard that the regular angels were slightly stronger than humans, but not as strong as the other angels in the angel hierarchy. i interpret those feats as the rank of an average archangel
Raphael seems like a cool dude.
Yeah he's a pretty cool guy. Can bind a demon like no ones business and help out the sick all in one day
You can have all four in your party, easiest to do if you are Bethel aligned and choose the Bethel ending. My favourite was Gabriel. She had high ice pieroma and Ice Age, a skill I particularly coveted. She executed the coup de gras on Lucifer and took out a morning star with Glacial Blast. Totally badass. If you did have an angel protector, I'd want it to be Gabriel.
I subbed. I only came across your channel because you are in my friends list in Dx2. Definitely will be watching your vids.
LOL nice. I knew it was worth it to advertise there. Thanks for watching
I always love these videos, I'm always looking forward to new videos when they release
Thanks so much! I hope people continue to stick around and the series can cover a tone more demons
Another great video, can't wait for Lucifer and Satan video
High priority on the list! Thanks for enjoying the vids!
The presentation of these videos is higher quality than channels with millions of subscribers.
I appreciate the compliment lol. Maybe one day we'll get there
@@Tony4You May it be YHVH’s will.
Thank you, you earned my sub, well deserved ^^
Hey thanks! Happy you enjoyed the video!
Just have that dream when BE NOT AFRAID and I know that i will learn more SMT lore today
TFW told not to be afraid 😳. Bible study incoming
Uriel always seemed a bit.. I know he's lawful.. but still a bit intimidating. Terrifying at times.
Uriel seems the most interesting archangel, as he's in such close proximity to humans helping them as best as he can with interpreting God. Something he himself might not be able to do. What he can do for sure is judge your soul, but he really doesn't want it to come to that
Lawful never means nice…
In Alan Moore's Jerusalem, Michael calls Uriel a cunt for good reason. Also hilarious.
“If god is so powerful he can strike me down where I stand!”
4 Archangels: *Pop into existance*
“He couldn’t do it himself? Pussy.”
God works in mysterious ways. Including sending his almighty hit squad to put people in their place
Gabriel: *....no mercy?*
Michael: *none whatsoever.*
Uriel: *perfect.*
I love the fight against these guys in Nocturne. Such fantastic designs
Great video man thank you for the info
16:40 party time. Nobody will ever party as hard as old Christian paintings depict people.
Fantastic series, keep it up!
More coming! I hope to see you in the next video
Michael has plot armour or the power of friendship. I'm calling it
does God's Plan count as plot armor?
@@christopherbravo1813 must be if Michael beat lucifer
@@dragonasc8410 lucicuck is weak af tho.
@@dragonasc8410 eh, I'd say either Michael is stronger than Atlus thinks, Satan is *weaker* than Atlus thinks, or God was empowering Michael with the strength to prevail.
Idea for next video: either a top ten best deomns designs since you did a top worst or demons that are not present in smt or that you want an updated design like huitzilopochtli from Aztec and Ereshkigal from Mesopotamia.
Hey those aren't bad ideas. I'll give it some serious thought! Thanks for the suggestions
Perfect for listening to on my way to work!
Thanks for adding me to your day!
0:07 yeah, with designs like that the phrase "be not afraid" isn't very convincing. But aside from, the Michael lore made him out to be very impressive. Back in smt 2 when he said he beat lucifer I USED to think he was full of shit, but now all my doubts have been erased.
I love Michael, people really need to put more respect on his name
Michael is prophesied to defeat Lucifer, he might not be lying xd
Legit though, this video is a great analysis of the bibliographical angels and how they relate to each other. I could never imagine how you decide which mythos to go with since most religions devoted to Christ and God have their own versions of the bible.
Thanks a lot! It takes a lot of research, but luckily the Abrahamic religions texts are easy to get a hold of online for free. I hope everyone can go on to dig deeper than even my video gives. It's all so interesting so it's hard to decide what to put in or leave out
@@Tony4You I do digs of it myself for a completely different game, Helltaker, because I like seeing what little nods they put in, but this series has really made me appreciate the Abrahamic representations of the Megami Tensei series. I do wonder though, there's like 2 Jesus Christs in the SMT/Per. games, right? How do those compare? Would be an interesting video. But I do hope you keep this rolling! I know I'm fairly new to the channel but dang, you got great content and a wonderful voice! Keep up the good work!
What always makes me wonder is why, in english at least, Michael is pronounced with the "ae" as a diphthong, i.e. the name only has two syllables, where most other names that end in the suffix -el (the "god" part) phonetically separate it, e.g. Gabriel, Uriel, Raphael, etc have three syllables. Wonder why that is.
Maybe because is the closest to God
@@NakuNaito in theory, the names are supposed to have three syllables to represent their dedication and devotion to the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit. it could be that the name of micheal is just lost in translation such as many others in the English language.
@@alexanderluna4598 thats true since in german all 4 have three syllables.
Isn't it Mikael in Hebrew?
0:05 archangel jumpscare
Thanks for warning good sir 🙏
@@petrock4041 any time king
Be not afraid though...
@@Tony4You das angels scary
michael out here with some anime hero backstory
The power of love and friendship has been winning for centuries
I personally like far more the designs of the Archangels in Devil Children, as I find their mainline designs a bit generic. Just as a few examples, Uriel is a knight with a flaming armor, and Raphael is an angel doctor. (Taking the meaning of his name rather literally.)
But I HAVE to mention Raphael's incarnation from the Devil Children Light And Dark anime, who while at first is the Comic Relief character. He ends up hooking up with Rangda (Who here is a cute girl with pink skin instead of an ugly witch) and manages to act as a dentist to a freaking Hydra! I think this might be one of the only pieces of Megaten material where a male angel not only ended up with a female demon, but it also did NOT end in tragedy!
Raphael is extremely lucky that God was taking a huge power nap throughout the whole show.
speaking of, *where can I watch it?*
@@christopherbravo1813 It is worth mentioning that YHVH straight up DOES NOT exist in any of the Devil Children continuities. Instead, the creator of the Devil Children world is an original creator goddess known as Hoshigami.
The Light And Dark anime has almost all of its episodes on a Daily Motion channel, but a number of episodes (From 9 go around 20 I believe) are missing. I believe there was a youtube channel that had the missing episodes that you could find by putting the series's japanese name. However I dont know if its still around.
There is also the alternative that, if you are willing to go the "BEING A PIRATE IS ALRIGHT WITH ME!!!" Route. You could try to look up the series on Nyaa torrents. (Cant remember if the full series is there though)
A pain in the ass that while the anime based on the Gameboy Color games had a full re-release with all of the episodes, the Light And Dark anime only had VHS releases. And I dont know if it has gotten anything as of now. (Also, obvious side note. All of this stuff is untranslated.)
@@rock117rx2 erm...I was trying to make a joke.
and okay. : (
@@christopherbravo1813 Sorry! I just take Devil Children somewhat seriously, as it is the very first Megaten media I was introduced to.
And yeah, it is a massive pain in the ass to try to find all of the episodes of the Light And Dark anime.
And the worst part about this is that, even if you find all of the episodes...
SPOILER ALERT
SPOILER ALERT
SPOILER ALERT
The anime ends on a cliffhanger that was never picked up.
@@rock117rx2 the cliffhanger is one of the few things I'm aware of.
at the end of every game i have a team of all angels
The legend
@@Tony4You 😃
@@lovesiccleftyI wish I would see more SMT vids where players use angels. Out of curiosity, could you?
The SMT V town music is perfect
hey babe wake up, new Tony4You vid is out
Really cool learning more details about these legends! Always thought it was cool how in fights where they act together, they cover each other's weaknesses so well. Always wondered though, what's their relation to Merkabah (or rather, does them fusing together in SMTIV to make Merkabah make any sense hahaha)?
Hmm that's a good question. As far as I know the Merkabah is God's chariot, which is referenced in the biblical texts regarding Elijah. He was brought up into heaven with a flaming chariot much like the Merkabah. I'd have to do more research but it would be very interesting
Love to see a video of the 4 horsemen riders!
Believe it or not, that video is in the works right now!
@@Tony4You wow! Im excited!
"fish will make noise" don't they already make noise? Oh no the end times are coming!
Everyone gangster until the fish start making noises
Sunday school came early today boys, praise be 🙏
Never to early to learn about YHVH my friend
@@Tony4You To a new year lad! Always looking forward to what you put out
*imitates Tony's "BE NOT AFRAID" line mentally* 😂
I have to say Michael's my favorites cuz every male in my family been named after him
Pretty cool name honestly
Amazing video as always
I'd would amazing if you covered Islamic archangels. They share Gabriel and Michael. There is Azrael
Who is the angel of death. It is said that he have 4 faces, 4000 wings, and 70,000 feet, and his whole body consists of eyes and tongues whose number corresponds to the number of humans inhabiting the Earth.
Israfil (one of the best designs in smt in my opinion) who blows the trumpet in judgment day similar to trumpeter from book of revelations.
I was thinking of including them. but thought the video would be much much longer if I covered all archangels. I would like to cover them in the future though for sure!
Fun fact: In Mormonism, those angels were people before they had their physical bodies, like Jehovah was Jesus before he came to earth. Michael and Jehova lead the creation of the Earth along with the rest of humanity, overseen by God and his wife. Later, Michael was incarnated as Adam and became the first prophet of the first dispensation. He's also the angel who came to confort Jesus in the garden of Gethsemane, where Jesus suffered so much he bleed through his skin.
It's has also been said that Gabriel was Noah.
2:05 that's the line from the song 👉 wow
Dude we found it! Just like the game!
Uriel is cute
Really wish Michael was shown more love. Lucifer keeps hogging up all the screen time. When will he get to strike down Lucifer as prophesized?
Agreed, all the archangels deserve more screen time. They are all so different and could make for great characters
Every time I name these guys, i say Uriel, Raphael and Gabriel in the most fanciest way as possible and then go monotone plain with Michael. Not MI-KHAEL. Michael
So there is a difference between the 4 archangels vs the “generic” archangels. So the 4 archangels are seraphim and not part of the 8rth order where generic archangels are in
Michael: *exist*
Lucifer Crew : He had us in the first half, not gonna lie
What's the music during the Gabriel segment? it's familiar, not sure I've played the (SMT?) game it's from (EDIT: Figured it out. SMT4A. Literally playing it right now lol)
Michael has always been my favorite of the four.
Listening to your description of Tobit, I can see why it is considered apocrypha. Talk about a non-sequitor.
It's a little out of left field, especially when it would have been placed just somewhere in the bible lol
Gabriel is a good healer for V's final boss.
what's the song that plays in the background during the uriel part?
"Went blind from an accident involving bird poop." Hmmm, bird poop, maybe a staph infection, maybe it's metaphor? 'Salt Peter,' one ingredient of gun powder derived from bird poop, bat guano etc. Maybe he was making gun powder? Poof, went blind.
You should have mentioned the SMT 4 designs because what the actual fuck is going on there lol
I always found it interesting that angels were called demons. I did a bit of research and found that it's not too far from how humans would see them. In fact it's also referenced as such by the works of several occultists and prophets. Angel meaning messenger of the Lord, but what is an angel that does not work for the Lord? Well we saw that one third rebelled and "became demons". Pretty fascinating honestly and for biblical or even peripheral texts to mention this incredibly interesting and makes me wonder if that's why the SMT team went with the description they did for demons in their games.
Pretty much every deity under YHVH's presence is a demon, and Divines/Heralds are called demons too because it would be annoying to have them as separate species
Tbh they are called demons because it's just a japanese thing. They can't call them youkais that is a word to any supernatural being so they are demons.
0:24 I’m sorry but is tagt dio???????
Wish they put more Mesoamerican, Indigenous American and African mythical creatures in SMT V, powers/design wise, the potential for a lot of those demons and creatures is crazy
Sounds interesting bro, which ones do you think would be best
@@notme-ji5uo adzes, the Yoruba pantheon IE Shango, Olorumulia, Eshu, Yemoja, Oshun, soya etc etc
@@tyronechillifoot5573 nice, gonna look them up
There's a total of 10 Archangels according to the Kabbalah and a majority of them are acknowledged by most Abrahamic Religions to some capacity. But saying they are all archangels is basically lumping them in with their lower class counterparts. The 10 span the entire choir hierarchy.
Michael was always my favorite of the bunch. I even picked his name for my Confirmation.
Those were the days. He was always my favorite since I was a kid too
What’s the background music that plays when Tony’s explaining Uriel’s backstory? I don’t remember which game it’s from.
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In the devastated town from devil survivor 2
@@yatagarasu_rob1076 thanks a ton
“Fish will make noise” I mean, don’t they do that normally?
Yeah the pufferfish eating the carrot is a sign of the end times
@@Tony4You oh shit
I simp for Gabriel. as always good work i expect nothing less guess thats tony4you
Glad I could live up to a high standard lol. More deep dives coming
I like Uriel because he's cute
He is kinda yeah 😳
I do agree