fearful symmetry.
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- Опубліковано 5 лип 2024
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0:00 - the point of change
0:27 - tyger, tyger
2:07 - fearful symmetry
3:40 - fearful symmetry of the supers
4:45 - fearful symmetry of the humans
6:17 - the reveal
7:45 - tyger and lambs
9:13 - credits and final message
|| mystery song of the day ||
Can we talk?
It can be about whatever
I just wanna look you in the eye
We can take a walk
We can go wherever
I don't have a favorite spot
I just wanna look you in the eye
We can go wherever
I don't have a favorite spot
We can talk about whatever
Can we talk?
How can I miss you if you won't go away?
They say I'm self-absorbed, I put my guard up
It's so familiar
They say I'm self-absorbed
I touch the hand of my Lord
(I touch the hand of my Lord)
It's so familiar
How can I miss you if you won't go away?
They say I'm self-absorbed
I put my guard up
Everybody plays a role
But we're not similar
I touch the hand of my Lord
(I touch the hand of my Lord)
It's so familiar
How can I miss you?
You're so familiar
I touch the hand of my Lord
(I touch the hand of my Lord)
(It's so familiar)
How can I miss you if you won't go away? - Фільми й анімація
"I didn't know the Girl Scouts caused the crop circle phenomenon."
"Few do. Few even think to ask the question."
Question is my favorite DCAU character ever
What's the Answer?
@@benparrish672 That Girl Scouts caused the crop circle phenomenon
This show made me love Question.
@@chrisdaily2077 this show is basically the only time i've ever seen The Question and i'm kinda curious now as to where to get more of him
@@edfreak9001 I found Dennis O'Neals run from the 80s to be enjoyable although it is not the same character.
Cadmus is honestly one of my favourite aspects of the DCAU. It somehow feels very plausible that the US government and other global superpowers would do actions like this. While we the audience know what the government is questionable if not wrong for creating superhumans for weapons, the fear and precautions are 100% unreasonable. They didn't came from absolutely no where.
The show does an excellent job of showing how understandable and good intentions can be corrupted. They show how many different interests got involved in Cadmus. It's not just one group of people trying to find ways to protect earth. The corporations that provide funding want a return on their investment. Scientists who get recruited are doing it so they can settle a grudge. The military doesn't just want a defense against super powered threats, they want weapons that can be used against other nations. Luthor is trying to steal the technology and become a god.
I'd be upset with a government that did this, but I might be even more upset with one that didn't. The Justice League hid the fact that an alternate version of them overthrew their government. That's super sketchy and should turn the stomach of anyone in the DCAU.
And what I like is that the show showed is that fear and paranoia can be manipulated to unjustified violence by third parties (i.e. Luthor and Brainiac).
@@B463L I agree. Moreover, Waller as the Wham Line that makes Cadmus’s paranoia not just resonance, but responsible: “You a have Space Ship floating over our heads with a laser weapon *pointing down!*”.
Cadmus is just Cauldron with a smaller budget
If we're going to look at the literary nature of the episode, you can't ignore the name Galatea itself. It alludes to Pygmalion, the sculptor from Cyprus who crafted a statue of a woman so perfect he fell in love with it. He named it Galatea, "she who is milk white," and begged Aphrodite to make her real. This was after Pygmalion had expressed an utter disgust with women as a whole, too. Hamilton wasn't just creating a tool, he was creating the "perfect" superhuman that would be better than the vile lot of dirty Kryptonians they had flying around who betrayed him. She was never just an asset to him I would posit; he loved his creation just like Pygmalion loved his own with a love made up largely of a love of the self rather than loving the object of their affections. That she loved him back, was capable of loving him back, shocked him deeply. They really sneak a lot of referential layers in this show!
Galatea got a raw deal. Who even knows how old she really is? Brainwashed, and trained as a child soldier, did she even have a chance?
The Cadmus arc is probably the most nuanced and mature plot I’ve ever seen in a family friendly show
Family friendly my ass, still an amazing series.
@@GokuBlackRose978 I mean it is family friendly; that term just means it doesn't exclude any potential demographic from enjoying its content.
@@fightingmedialounge519 true
The conflict between the League and Cadmus was one of the deepest philosophical arcs that any animated work had back then. The writers really tried to sneak in some very serious themes about the duality of super powered individuals existing with a political structure that doesn't tolerate forces greater than itself. The way the government calls on them readily when something happens but at the same time, fears its inability to express whatever will it wants about those same volunteer heroes. The way the events unfolded were really inline with what would definitely happen in real life and even BVS took some cues from it in live action. JLU doesn't REALLY answer that question, but back then.....this was peak animated entertainment. I would even venture and say that it was this kind of writing that allowed so many other DC properties in games and other shows take the writing into more mature topics and themes. DC as a whole owes this show SO MUCH credit for the current popularity of DC in ALL media.
I think it's better that it didn't answer the question. It's just posing it and letting the audience figure it out.
Yes what Cadmus does is wrong, but their reasons for doing so are understandable, which leads to the question, what would be reasonable?
@@hawkticus_history_corner it's perfect because it highlights one of the greatest challenges humanity faces in DC.
It works so well as it deals with the consequences of DC heroes being "gods like men".
I think there's also the human aspect to consider. The scientist who worked on Galatea fears what these gods could do and has seen it happen personally.
The answer is very simple: Transparency, accountability, and cooperation.
And in Patriot Act, the old woman made Cadmus' REAL agenda very clear. It wasn't about keeping anyone safe; the ones in charge felt small against the heroes and wanted to feel big, which ALWAYS triggers an arms race. People like General Eiling have no business being in a position of authority.
It is things like CADMUS that makes the DC animated universe fells alive, as if it is an actual reality instead of a sandbox for fictional adventures.
The Cadmus arc is my favorite take on the superheroes dealing with the government and "real world politics" story. I like it more than Civil War, more than The Boys, more than Watchmen.
I love it because even though it deals with a lot of complicated issues and ideas, it doesn't go too edgy or cynical or just plain mean and spiteful like a lot of other similar stories. It still maintains the spirit and optimism of these DC characters.
I agree. The failing of Civil War is that there's clearly a correct side (in the films anyway). With this arc you can see that Cadmus has a point, but since they are the government they execute their solution in the worst possible way.
@@Stargazer_Ley eh, both the civil war film and comic don't really leave either side as completely just. It's just the comics go the route of making them look amoral at times.
@@Stargazer_Ley I'm curious which side you see as the correct side in the MCU Civil War? I have a side I think is correct but know many people who feel the other side is the obviously correct one.
@@elrac7333 well there isn't one. Both sides have their merits but the film tells you that the correct side is Cap's because the film paints him in the right and paints Iron Man as the bad guy. Marvel's Civil War is supposed to be a thought experiment about super powered ppl.
That isn’t what Mark Mallar said in his interview, he said the Pro registration side was the right side, you know, the side that hired murderous supervillains to hunt down their friends
"Do you know how much power I'd have to give up to be president?"
Still one of the most chilling quotes in the whole show to me🤣! I remember freaking out about his super strength manifesting out of nowhere.
It's honestly really true. The president really only gets to enforce and okay laws. Congress I'd argue has the most power the problem is they can rarely agree.
The funny thing about things like Cadmus, is they ultimately build the very thing they fear in a weird Greek Tragedy sort of way.
They make super weapons to protect them from Superhumans, but then those super weapons need a check for that, and so on and so forth.
For all their talk about the JL going rogue, they themselves are a bigger threat than the league and they seem more determined less to provide countermeasures and more to provoke them into completing a self fulfilling prophecy
The Cadmus arc is what I consider quintessential DC content. It is more than happy to cover itself in the questions and greyness of the space between superheroism and the dangerous gap of power, but at the end of the day, hangs on to the optimism that defines DC as a whole, because the answer to the question of do they need superheroes, is yes, because this world has supervillains in it, which superheros are necessary to stop.
It's very simple. But that's what I like about it, and what I like(d) about DC compared to Marvel.
Wouldn't say it's that simple; both as an idea and how the show goes about it.
Question and huntress were the real highlights of this arc
There is a even more creepy aspect to Kara's clone being called Galatea. In greek myth, Galatea was a statue turned alive by the gods to be the lover of her sculptor.
Cadmus was used incredibly well not only in JLU but also in Young Justice
Ehh, wasn't impressed with how they were in YJ. Felt like they were just an evil science place and that's it.
The Cadmus arc completely blew my mind as a kid. I foolishly thought this was normal for shows.
Yeah the DCAU really set our standards upsettingly high
My favorite arc in the entire series, the conversation about the power gap between the characters handled very well. The part when Green Arrow ask super-girl "if you were to turn on us who are they gonna call to stop you? Me?
The episode were a lot of heroes stood in superman's place and kept on fighting an enemy that outclassed them in physical prowess. "How many of us do you have to kill in order to keep us safe? That line shuts down the conflict and our heroes won the moral high-ground.
This show was such a jem and it continues to age so incredibly well.
let's freaking go one of the best JLU arcs
So the episode title comes from the poem "The Tyger" referenced in Batman the Animated Series, which in another episode introduced Professor Milo, who returned to JLU as a scientist working for Cadmus. I was so close to finding the link, but it turns out Dr Emile Dorian was the geneticist who merged Catwoman into a literal Cat-Woman and by the end of the episode Batman quotes the poem.
The Fearful Symmetry poem is also from the very first episode of Batman the Animated Series
The first episode of BTAS is the one with Man-Bat.
The poem is used in the series, but wasn't it in the episode "Tyger, Tyger"?
The one where Selina Kyle is turned into an actual cat, so that she can be a mate for Tygrus
@@muchanadziko6378 The first episode is actually The cat and the claw so we're both wrong
@@Kekkersboy Actually I'm not wrong, but you are.
The first episode of "Batman the Animated Series" is "On Leather Wings", and Man-Bat is the villain of the week there.
And the poem "Tyger" is used in the episode "Tyger, Tyger" where Selina Kyle is kidnapped and turned into a human-cat hybrid.
Question is my favorite. And I think he's also the only character to briefly be drawn like he hasn't showered in 20 days. He may be just a human, but his superpower is obsessing over the little details.
Cadmus is the best thing to happen to superhero comics since Weapon X/Weapon Plus going up against Wolverine and the X-Men.
Also Galetea....the origin of my weakness for muscle mommies....
This show is goated i wish it went on forever
The Cadmus arc is one of my most favorite fictional stories ever told with superheroes
I love this episode because it introduces the best character The Question
I met and fell in love with this poem when I watched Batman animated series
Tygrus
This poem was also a major plotline in the tv show "The Mentalist"
This was my favorite episode of JLU as a kid. From the call backs to previous DCAU shows to the deepening of the plot, just great. Also the beginning to the wonderful Cadmus arc.
Every time I hear Waller say "We're the good guys" I can't help but crack up.
"I'm the GOOD GUY here!"
"Yeah... a lot of bad guys say that."
**whacks with la chancla**
@catbatrat1760 Everyone is the hero of their own story. Even if that story is one of lies and manipulation and just generally being an awful person. 🤷♂️
You alone made me rewatch a series I would have not revisit for the sake of nostalgia. Now, compared to all superheroes media, I have binged a
JL and JLU and have teared up and appreciated the series. It tackles all points of humanity that it should. I love and seethe all characters depending on their motivations. This show has a very powerful view on a JL.
I love the Cadmus arc. It's such a good storyline, and it proves you can make an amazing deconstruction without making all the characters involved into morose, grim assholes. Push them to their breaking point, yes. Show who they'd be if they did break, absolutely. But the League never stop being _the League._
Amanda Waller is written perfectly, and Lex brings his A-Game throughout this entire series, but he's really pulling out all the stops in this one. His monologue aimed at Question in _Question Authority_ is superb.
I found your channel randomly a few weeks ago and because of you I've been watching old JL episodes every night!
This is the kind of content I wish I could make. I'm a big DCAU fan and appreciate that someone else gets it the way I do and is making fire content to show people how amazing it is.
Cadmus is the best arc in any supehero tv show
Cold Take: JLU’s Cadmus arc is the greatest Justice League story of all time.
Ageed
This one definitely put the essay in video essay. Really thoughtful. Nice work. ❤
I like that the DCAU went with the Tyger poem in two big ways, back in BtAS, and here.
Also, Galatea might have been my favorite
I genuinely believe that the Cadmus arc is one of the best things DC has ever written. In my view, it ranks at the top of the list with the greatest comic book story arcs or even with the most acclaimed movies DC has ever done. Its exploration of complex political themes (associated to the idea of checks and balances and the abuse of absolute power) is reminiscent of the way Alan Moore explored it in stories like Marvelman (Miracleman) or his more known works of Watchmen and V for Vendetta.
Again another upload to brighten my day
this arc bringing back the og seven in justice league at the end of the arc one of the best things of the arc besides all the leading and build up to the divided we fall and flashpoint
I think this started even further back than that. All the way back to the Superman episode with the giant space monster that feeds on heat. General Hardcastle says to a still loyal Hamilton "He's an alien with no allegiance or jurisdiction. I don't trust what I can't control, Hamilton, and I don't like what I can't trust." He represents the primal fear and tribalism in humanity that will only tolerate the existence of something different if it is perceived to be controllable. Peaceful coexistence is an ultimately alien concept and childish fantasy to people like Hardcastle who are in a perpetual state of existential insecurity. For if you are not the oppressor, then you must be the oppressed. Everything is a zero sum power game to them. The only reason Cadmus "reformed" at all was because Luthor played them and they were embarrassed.
Cool
Solid video man! it reminded me of a quote I heard some time ago; "If you want peace you have to have the strength to protect it -- you can't give from a place of weakness." Specifically at 1:46. Many people see this quote differently -- some see what superman did in injustice (in order to Demand peace he ruled with an iron fist over the disarmed public), others take it as call to arm entire countries for "protection" through intimidation (Amanda Waller and the Cadmus) Again, solid video man!
I really enjoyed this one, thank you
Thanks for your videos. I can see how much you dedicate yourself to your work and your videos certainly have a positive impact on my life. Thank you again
Man... The Question from this series is my favorite. Jeffery is amazing.
Great essay as always, my dude.
Waller is such a great antagonist.
This is one of my favorite videos now. Love it when you go over the Kadmus stuff
Dude this is so good!! I did the tyger in elementary school a while back and love how u mixed this theme with comics
I’m so happy to see your channel growing, your videos have such a nice vibe to them and are real enjoyable to watch. Keep up the great work.
I live of these videos never stop
Man your channel is literally all the content i wish I could make its wild
Love this episode, been waiting for this one for a while
These videos are so relaxing. If they were an hour long it would be perfect to leave on and do work around the house or just relax with. Amazing stuff
Damn when I was younger I read the Tyger, tyger poem and thought the author just really liked Tigers and thought they were cool.
Ya that's the correct interpretation
You sir, are a gem amongst the chaff. Please, keep doing what you’re doing. I have a hard time excepting that you don’t get more people watching your video.
Never appreciated this when I first watched this episode, didn't even register. Your in depth analysis is nothing short of amazing.
Amazing video and editing omg
The art in these videos
Michael Rooker as Bibbo is one of those things that I didn't know I needed, but now I can't live without
Also your videos are great
He needs to be Bibbo, but I'll also accept Steve Lombard.
I hope you know your videos are amazing
You got some nice vids dude
This should have being Power Girl "new origin" in the comics instead of the weird Earth-2, I know would be similar to Superboy but works so much better in sense.
I love your videos
The editing in this is unhinged and I’m here for it
Cadmus was not morally right, but they were factually correct
They posed a very important question but did so rather poorly to the point that Batman was convinced that there was an issue that needed to be addressed. "What if?" A simple question really, what if the League went down the wrong path? What could they do to prevent what happened to the Earth of the Justice Lords? Batman's idea was to put more people in the League, people who would serve to ask those questions and confront others if necessary. Green Arrow was one of those people. Batman also has contingency plans in place for just that senario because he's not oblivous to the potental danger of having so many superpowered individuals in one place.
Love your content
This is why the DCAU tears apart the entire Marvel universe.
Low bar to best the MSheU
@@JoshuaKevinPerry don't think they were referring to just the movies.
Question Is thee GOAT
My favourite moment of the episode is when they approach the general and he takes out a gun with Kryptonite bullet aimed at Supergirl.
Green Arrow takes a step forward, in front of Supergirl. Ready to protect a bulletproof person from a bullet.
I learnt tiger tiger about 4 months ago in my English lessons and had no idea what it was about
Great video! Still figuring how what you looked up exactly during the Lamb and Tiger explanation to find those images xD
"Fearful Symmetry? Yeah! The Watchmen reference! Wait, what?...."
MORE DCAU!! Nice!
6:28 "a big boobed clone"
I don't buy any argument that Cadmus was ever moral, or had any interest in actually having any moral justification. Remember, these were people who recruited Hugo Strange, Maxwell Lord, Wade Eiling, Tala, Achilles Milo, and oh yes, Lex Luthor because of similar moral alignment. The philosophy of Cadmus was stated pretty well by Wade Eiling: "I'll waste you and a billion like you before I let any power rival that of America's. It's my duty."
For me the entire Cadmus story never quite hit the mark. I get the idea, but it never actually accomplishes that for me. All Cadmus ends up doing in all the stories i have read is cause more chaos, death and destruction than if it never had existed. The Cadmus project never actually prevents the superheroes from going evil, actually causes a positive change or save innocent lives for more than publicity. Cadmus constantly gets taken over by some supervillain or another for some sceme or some clone project or whatever. In the end, the prejudice the superheroes have against Cadmus is allways on the mark one way or another because Cadmus eigther is the badguy or is being used by some badguy or just ends up being wrong alltogether.
I've always seen Cadmus being a warning of what happens when these organisations and such can operate so freely in the shadows and without proper oversight. Without oversight, and always being kept behind closed doors, Cadmus exists in the same environment as most villains, except instead of keeping them at bay, it doesn't take them into consideration. It's the warning that when focussed paranoia takes hold, someone is more than willing to steer it to serve their own needs.
Well yea they were still “bad guys” in a cartoon sense.
I really love this exploration of my childhood, especially since I haven't seen justice league in since the early 2000's.
I like this interpretation. A lotta people look at superheroes and create darker stories where "Realistically, this is what X superhero would be like, REALLY dagnerous" and though not entirely wrong, it shifts too much focus away from the fact that we, as regular people, put ourselves and others into danger every single day. While yeah, I think it's ok, fun even to do a "what if superheroes were all corrupt" whether relatively lighthearted like the DCAU or do something like The Boys where it's extremely gritty and brutal and heavyhanded, there is something to be said for the fact that, in a lot of cases, many of those superheroes were shaped, even sometimes made, as a RESPONSE to humanity's issues. Even if superheroes existed and became a problem, it would still be regular people, both those in high and low places, who would be integral in shaping those heroes into being that way.
I can't believe you did this whole analysis without the scene where Hamilton explains to superman that he and the others terrify him and Superman just kinda... accepts it with a frown.
That is why old school dc was amazing and make the best movies
One other thing is that Fearful symmetry is the name of the Watchmen issue that explains Rorschach backstory, with Rorschach basically being Alan Moore take on the Question (By combining him with the punisher). I don't know how significant this is for analyzing the film, but I see no way that it is just a coincidence.
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I was not expecting to see my old university mascot in a video about the justice league 😂😂😂😂 - I might even know the person flossing inside it
very few in existence are unredeemable.
Haha
New video
NICE 👍
This arc and series makes me want to cosplay Question so badly
The fact that the video chapter names r issue names of Watchmen
This best arc and DC refuses to use it in a movie
Really bugs me there was never any payoff to Galatea. Coming to learn Hamilton never cared about her, making peace with Kara, becoming Powergirl. A lot could have been done there.
Apparently there were plans to reveal what happened to Hamilton after the Cadmus arc concluded. Basically the writters would've explained that most tech used by Cadmus for creating Galatea and the Ultimen would've been outlawed under the "Hamilton Accords" - basically throwing him under the bus for Cadmus actuall big dogs by making him the scapegoat for everything that happened and thus turning Hamiltons legacy into being the prime example of a "crazy scientist". (The explanation would've been needed to explain why none of their discoveries actually showed up during the era of Batman Beyond)
I still think it is sad we never got to see a proper conclussion to Hamiltons character, considering how factually vile his betrayel was. Unlike Hawkgirl Hamilton willingly joined up with Cadmus to betray Superman (and the heroes at large), and you can tell he did so less so out of obligation, and more so out of anger and wanting to take revenge on Supes.
Imagine them having one final talk between them with Hamilton being behind bars for example
The background music is mixed a bit too loud in this video and it makes it hard to hear your voice at times, just thought I'd state that for the future.
Love your essays man. Though this one imo the music seemed too loud in some sections.
You know i usually listen to your videos while on the road but now that ive had the chance to watch watch a few videos, have you always had "a video essay about patterns" at the beginning or does that change depending on the vid?
Bro drop a playlist
Bizarro a Superman clone who though makes mistakes is still Superman at his core and trying gets redemption
Galetia gets horrifyingly electrocuted for a minute and a half as we watch a woman with though and feelings and familial bonds die
I had also thought about Michael Rooker has Bibbo
It's interesting that JLU constructs deconstructs, and subverts the super hero genre at various points long before super heroes (and nerd culture) were mainstream and now oversaturated, and still did it better than most. We have anime like HeroAca that are ride or die heroes vs villains, with rogue heroes being the closest it gets to subversive. Yet here, you realize the JLU are still vigilantes that the government fears.
You have Cadmus making their "hero" army, though can super powered agents really be considered super heroes? Then there are the moments where characters blatantly break the law or go against government interests like Supes breaking in to save question.
Also, i always found it funny about those Zeta robots, since there was that odd Batman Beyond spinoff, the Zeta Project, that is technically apart of the DCAU. I remember watching it when it came on, but i don't remember anything about other than the robot, lol.
Also, font know the mystery song, but if you're referring to the one at 07:45, but it is sampled in the game Sword Art Online Fatal Bullet, the Room theme.
The Question is being illegally detained and tortured.
@@JoshuaKevinPerry It's still the government. And that's not even the only time they came into conflict with them. Then later, because of differing reasons, they attacked the JLU using an army of Ultimen. The point is, regardless of the reason, they came into conflict with government organizations despite being heroes, showing that they aren't above the law and that you sometimes need to break the law to be a hero.
Honestly super media has been deconstructing itself long before this show
ugh, i remember having to read The Tyger for literature class...
Man, has there ever been a live action Bibbo?
am i the only one who noticed that one of the image from tiger and lamb reference in the early part of the video was from the "Fruits Basket" anime ed.
And by who have watched the show "the mentalist"