Expensive and a lot of the battery storage area is inverters and the inverter computers use a lot of the stored battery power to run the computers in the system and the system goes from DC to AC to DC at least 3 or 4 times and each time you lose electricity due to heat created. If you have a small number of solar panels (limited solar panels) there are better options.
Nothing beats the resilience of Enphase systems: - Flexibility of panel placement on the roof. Can have different orientations as each micro and panel is independent . Can easily manage different roof levels as AC cabling more flexible. - System can be easily expanded later as you just add more panels with micros underneath. No need to change the whole central inverter. - Is very good managing shading - Safety as AC is low voltage and rapid shut down built in - Longer system life time and warranties compared to string inverters - Resilience. Should one micro fail then rest of system still producing - Module level monitoring and diagnostics - Sunlight backup without grid or battery power as long as there is sun (Enphase IQ8)
I still think the EG4 setup with Tigo DC optimizers that are compatible with EG4 inverters gives you the best bang for the Money. Have you ever reviewed the Tigo DC optimizers?
Compared to the previous one to one comparison, the Pointguard has become 26 point against 22 points for the Tesla Powerwall 3! So in my opinion teh Pointguard is the winner!
Enphase will come out with its 4th gen batteri in Q1 2025. It’s supposed to be 10kw, 60% size, integrating several boxes with collar meter, perhaps stackable. Since they have a great track revord of quality I think it will be a game changer.
I’m a huge Enphase fan. That said, I’ve just got their iq8+ microinverters across 22 roof mounted panels… intentionally waiting on newer battery tech and bi-directional EV charging before jumping into their battery and EV charging systems
I have some OLD solar panels (less than 200kw panels) and some newer ones (~300kw panels) all with Enphase with an upgrade to IQ ready/battery storage ready microinverters. I have a Span panel for power to the house. I hope/plan/wish to get batteries but do not want a critical load panel. (That's why I have a Span panel.) I do not power my home with just my solar production. I greatly overproduce power from about May through September and underproduce and rely on the grid for power in the shorter daylight months. I was told by a rep at my electric company that I would keep my grandfathered net meeting plan IF I don't add more panels, but I'd get the new plan (much worse payback) if I add more panels. No change if I add batteries. I want to go for batteries sooner rather than later (we recently had a three hour blackout) before adding more panels. After I've gotten the batteries set, I'd like to add enough panels to quit the grid. Is that possible, what would you recommend, do you see prices continuing to go down, and should I stick to the Enphase family of options? I'm really trying to avoid a critical load panel.
Joe, very informative presentation per usual! A few questions and points for further discussion: 1. Battery and inverter manufacturers are still thinking way too small! Silicon/perovskite panels will hit the market soon with efficiencies pushing 30%, 10% higher than the average silicon panel. Also, global warming is causing more frequent outages and higher utility monopoly prices (from higher liability, fire clearing, line damage,,etc.). Add decreasing battery prices and it make more sense for most home and small business owners to aim for going completely or mostly off grid. The typical house will need only 50 kWhs of storage and 15 kWs of panels to take the typical 3 bedroom home off grid across most of the US! This includes charging an EV or two! We are at a disruption point where residential electricity monopolies now face their biggest competition from their own customers! We can now produce and store all or most of the electricity needed to power our homes and cars. This will be a goldmine for the company that can make an affordable 50 kWh battery/inverter/controller! Putting solar on rooftops and in backyards and batteries in garages will make the entire electric grid more efficient and resistant to outages. And, it’ll save us trillions in power line construction! 2. It seems like heat pump water heaters and heating and cooling systems, microwaves, clothes washers, as well as home lighting and induction stoves should be DC going forward. It doesn’t make sense to have to convert from DC solar panels to AC for running big stuff in our homes. Too inefficient! And, microinverters don’t make sense anymore! Run the panels with different orientations on different strings! Charge your car directly from your panels or home battery, and vice versa with out switching back and forth from DC to AC. 3. Enphase and even Tesla batteries are laughably small! Talk about the home energy equivalent of range anxiety! Instead of making 5 and 8 and 13 kWh batteries, the primary sizes should be 50 and 10 kWh! 4. PointGuard’s modular architecture is the most efficient, easy to install, and easy to expand! Though their batteries should come as 50 kWh and 10 kWh modules. Or perhaps 10 and 20 to keep weight down? And, having the car charger integrity the battery, inverter and controller is brilliant!
I agree, the future of solar is going to be more about energy independence. The companies that are going to win are the ones who can make it easier for people to go off grid or grid-optional.
Bi directional EV's with 80+ kwh batteries will mean there's no need for such large home storage batteries. Your car will be your large storage battery and your home will possibly only need a 10-20 kwh static set up.
What about EP Cube?They are very cost effective, ac/dc coupled, generator input, etc. DYI friendly and have a great support team that answers the phone when you call. ??
If you get the Flexboss/Gridboss combination, it has time of use settings. Also has four smart breakers for load control and main breaker for a backup panel. With the 14.3 power pro batteries, it is an awesome system and less expensive than any of the systems in this video.
Why no mention of MidNite Solar's PowerFlo 16 battery? Seems to top all reviewed here. This LFP battery has 16 kW of storage, comes with a 15 yr warranty, and is half the price of Powerwall 3.
@@brucebachand5979 he's only reviewing Flagship products because he's trying to create leads for his business the eg4 has Superior power capability Powerball 3 Beach 13kw of storage retailers about 4K end Wholesales about 3K.
I used to install lots of MidNite Solar equipment for off grid projects back in the 2010s. For some reason they haven’t caught up since batteries went mainstream. I hope to review their product in the future.
5. SolarEdge batteries and products are made in the United States and South Korea. 4. Enphase batteries and products are now made in the US (South Carolina), they used to be made in China but moved to the USA. 3. Point Guard batteries and products are made in the USA, made in the Sacramento California area. 2. Tesla Powerwall 3s are manufactured in Sparks, Nevada at Tesla's Gigafactory 1. Franklin Whole Home (FranklinWH) batteries and parts are manufactured in Shenzhen, China.
@@bernielennox1031 - It could very easily matter if you are trying to get the US tax rebates and i'll take American made quality every day of the week over Chinese made!
@@bernielennox1031 It could very easily matter a whole lot if you are trying to get the US tax rebates and I will take USA made over Chinese made every day of the week.
@@Bowhunters6go8xz6x most of the best renewable tech is made in China. It's unfortunate, but China is dominating the sector largely because of the lack of consistent US policy. It's cheaper and better in most cases and where things are comparable for capability it isn't comparable for price. They produce more than 10x what the US does for global export and we just can't match the economies of scale necessary to compete on price at this point. I'm all for supporting US products, but only if quality, price, and customer support are good.
I love everything about pointguard, but I'm hesitant to give up module level monitoring on the roof. SolarEdge is my favorite system architecture. Their system has so much potential, but sometimes the installer app is very confusing and certain options just don't always work until support messes with it. This is not acceptable and the app should be much more clear on whether the setup is completed or not. The next gen stackable battery cannot come soon enough. That would eliminate all the RS485 wiring, and greatly simplify the install. Enphase is solid once the system is up and running. My biggest complaint with them is all the efficiency losses and the sheer complexity of the system. There are so many components to install and wires to land which means more places for errors in the field. Also their koad controller is limited to 36A. I need to shed BIG loads, 40, 50, even 60A breakers need to be shut off and I dont want to be modifying the contactor in a "ready to use" load control box. FranklinWH is super simple and just plain works every time. I'm more of a fan of DC coupling, but if you must go AC, Franklin is a solid choice. I've never personally installed Tesla, so I don't have an opinion on their equipment.
You can easily use PointGuard and AC couple with Enphase microinverters. You could even decide to do a portion of your solar array DC coupled to the Point guard Controller and a second portion with micros, AC coupled to the Point guard LoadHub, in case you have shading and are worried about performance on the shaded area. The PointGuard Home system supports both AC coupled and DC coupled arrays in the same system, giving you the flexibility to get the best of both worlds.
Tesla needs BOTH generator and Span load control. I would like to think that the Gateway could be modified to include a generator input that could recharge the battery. It could not be that hard, right? Franklin figured it out. In fact, why not integrate Span load control and generator support? While they’re at it, make the PW3 inverter field replaceable and include battery expansion for slave PW3s?
The 80W estimate for the Enphase built-in "computer" seems high. Is that the documented wattage? 80w is more in line with a moderately active (non-idle) laptop, with a screen, SSD, graphics, etc. I would expect it to be more in line with an embedded compute system which is more like 5-20 watts.
That’s a good point. There are advantages to both types of systems, depending on the application. If you're a homeowner who already has solar and doesn't want to void the warranty, AC-coupled batteries are the best way to add storage.
Great video! Thanks for the summary. I think another great video similar to this approach would be non standalone systems like Sol Ark or EG4 and paired batteries. Little more complex video, but in many ways those are superior builds for the user that doesn't need everything in one app which isn't always useful. As a Span panel user, I haven't found any videos that explain how things work when you don't pair with a recommended battery which might also make a good video. Battery is next years objective 🙂
@Scott-sm9nm that is the combo I'm looking at. I have also been considering the EG4 18 with EG4 batteries. The price is a lot lower, but I think the Sol Ark is a better fit for my setup. I like the EG4 battery 6 battery rack and overall price. My gut keeps saying Sol Ark, though. I wish Sol Ark paired with EG4 batteries was UL. I don't think it will pass inspection in my area. A little odd that Sol Ark and EG4 batteries haven't gotten certified together yet.
You forgot to include LG RESU10H Prime batteries coupled with SolarEdge inverters. Best bang for the bucks and highest current draw compared to the SolarEdge Battery Bank.
I have sunpower panels, what system do you recommend? I want to add 1 battery and a generator. Im off well water and a booster pump so i have some high demands when the grid is out. Thank you.
@@SolarSurge Thanks. Our solar guy is encouraging us to use Enphase, (I like iron phosphate lithium) but we have a whole house propane generator. I'd like to be able to tie it in and charge the battery. Can that be done or retrofitted to Enphase?
@@chinaskibukowski7747 - I build from component parts or use 2nd-life products in creative ways. Everything from used scooter batteries to run a 12v fridge for days, to 51.2v, 105ah packs built from raw cells. Have you built anything from parts?
I'm a little surprised by some of the picks over something like the Anker Solid X1 or RoyPow. Both seem better than a few of your picks. A lot of good options these days.
Good observation. EV batteries offer much lower $/kWh and that’s why bi-directional EV charging is such a game changer. Most home batteries are rated for up to 6000 cycles
@ Interesting. 6000 is about double what EV batteries have. I also wonder how the batteries are charged in multi-battery installations and IF the BMS is smart enough to track down cycle amount of each battery. Or if they even have such capabilities
Joe said at the start of the video he was not going to cover (battery only systems) which is what an EG4 is, this was his 2024 whole (all in one) system review.
I don't think so. Radically overpriced solutions with limited life spans and potential for disaster make no $ense whatsoever. Maybe this year, maybe next, the answer will show itself.
Enphase batteries with the matching enphase system is hard to beat. Expensive yes.
Expensive and a lot of the battery storage area is inverters and the inverter computers use a lot of the stored battery power to run the computers in the system and the system goes from DC to AC to DC at least 3 or 4 times and each time you lose electricity due to heat created. If you have a small number of solar panels (limited solar panels) there are better options.
Nothing beats the resilience of Enphase systems:
- Flexibility of panel placement on the roof. Can have different orientations as each micro and panel is independent . Can easily manage different roof levels as AC cabling more flexible.
- System can be easily expanded later as you just add more panels with micros underneath. No need to change the whole central inverter.
- Is very good managing shading
- Safety as AC is low voltage and rapid shut down built in
- Longer system life time and warranties compared to string inverters
- Resilience. Should one micro fail then rest of system still producing
- Module level monitoring and diagnostics
- Sunlight backup without grid or battery power as long as there is sun (Enphase IQ8)
I still think the EG4 setup with Tigo DC optimizers that are compatible with EG4 inverters gives you the best bang for the Money. Have you ever reviewed the Tigo DC optimizers?
Lot of great information thank you Joe.
Great education. Technology changing at lightning speed. Thanks Joe.
It’s exciting to see where this technology is headed.
Merry Christmas!
Thanks you for your videos!
Thank you very much Joe for your VERY informative videos! 👍
Diy. 1/3 the price not in an inclosure. 1/2 price if in an inclosure.
Awesome content!
Compared to the previous one to one comparison, the Pointguard has become 26 point against 22 points for the Tesla Powerwall 3! So in my opinion teh Pointguard is the winner!
But UL9540 has imposed its test requirements on all systems. Stopping the industry inputs tracks.
Enphase will come out with its 4th gen batteri in Q1 2025. It’s supposed to be 10kw, 60% size, integrating several boxes with collar meter, perhaps stackable. Since they have a great track revord of quality I think it will be a game changer.
Yes we are looking forward to review the new Enphase battery.
Thanks for mentioning this, I’ll be looking to install a solar system with batteries later this year or in 2026.
Enphase really need to introduce their 4th gen battery fast!!
Think I read early first quarter. Lets hope.
Yes absolutely. If not they are going to fall behind. Enphase needs a larger battery, better load control, and fix their generator support.
I’m a huge Enphase fan. That said, I’ve just got their iq8+ microinverters across 22 roof mounted panels… intentionally waiting on newer battery tech and bi-directional EV charging before jumping into their battery and EV charging systems
@ I did exactly the same with 44 panels 😅
@@ddyoder I have the same plan 😊
I have some OLD solar panels (less than 200kw panels) and some newer ones (~300kw panels) all with Enphase with an upgrade to IQ ready/battery storage ready microinverters. I have a Span panel for power to the house. I hope/plan/wish to get batteries but do not want a critical load panel. (That's why I have a Span panel.)
I do not power my home with just my solar production. I greatly overproduce power from about May through September and underproduce and rely on the grid for power in the shorter daylight months. I was told by a rep at my electric company that I would keep my grandfathered net meeting plan IF I don't add more panels, but I'd get the new plan (much worse payback) if I add more panels. No change if I add batteries.
I want to go for batteries sooner rather than later (we recently had a three hour blackout) before adding more panels. After I've gotten the batteries set, I'd like to add enough panels to quit the grid. Is that possible, what would you recommend, do you see prices continuing to go down, and should I stick to the Enphase family of options? I'm really trying to avoid a critical load panel.
Franklin new battery coming out 1st of 2025 will be little better than Tesla I think based on my contact.
Joe, very informative presentation per usual! A few questions and points for further discussion:
1. Battery and inverter manufacturers are still thinking way too small! Silicon/perovskite panels will hit the market soon with efficiencies pushing 30%, 10% higher than the average silicon panel. Also, global warming is causing more frequent outages and higher utility monopoly prices (from higher liability, fire clearing, line damage,,etc.). Add decreasing battery prices and it make more sense for most home and small business owners to aim for going completely or mostly off grid. The typical house will need only 50 kWhs of storage and 15 kWs of panels to take the typical 3 bedroom home off grid across most of the US! This includes charging an EV or two! We are at a disruption point where residential electricity monopolies now face their biggest competition from their own customers! We can now produce and store all or most of the electricity needed to power our homes and cars. This will be a goldmine for the company that can make an affordable 50 kWh battery/inverter/controller!
Putting solar on rooftops and in backyards and batteries in garages will make the entire electric grid more efficient and resistant to outages. And, it’ll save us trillions in power line construction!
2. It seems like heat pump water heaters and heating and cooling systems, microwaves, clothes washers, as well as home lighting and induction stoves should be DC going forward. It doesn’t make sense to have to convert from DC solar panels to AC for running big stuff in our homes. Too inefficient! And, microinverters don’t make sense anymore! Run the panels with different orientations on different strings! Charge your car directly from your panels or home battery, and vice versa with out switching back and forth from DC to AC.
3. Enphase and even Tesla batteries are laughably small! Talk about the home energy equivalent of range anxiety! Instead of making 5 and 8 and 13 kWh batteries, the primary sizes should be 50 and 10 kWh!
4. PointGuard’s modular architecture is the most efficient, easy to install, and easy to expand! Though their batteries should come as 50 kWh and 10 kWh modules. Or perhaps 10 and 20 to keep weight down? And, having the car charger integrity the battery, inverter and controller is brilliant!
I agree, the future of solar is going to be more about energy independence. The companies that are going to win are the ones who can make it easier for people to go off grid or grid-optional.
Bi directional EV's with 80+ kwh batteries will mean there's no need for such large home storage batteries. Your car will be your large storage battery and your home will possibly only need a 10-20 kwh static set up.
What about EP Cube?They are very cost effective, ac/dc coupled, generator input, etc. DYI friendly and have a great support team that answers the phone when you call. ??
EP Cube seems like a promising product. Time will tell.
Eg4 believer here
I am looking to buy one but am concerned about time of use control. Do you have experience with flexboss?
@lancejensen1063 Not yet
I'm surprised he didn't mention that battery...
If you get the Flexboss/Gridboss combination, it has time of use settings.
Also has four smart breakers for load control and main breaker for a backup panel. With the 14.3 power pro batteries, it is an awesome system and less expensive than any of the systems in this video.
@@randya9143 it seems like it had the capabilities but I was just a little unclear
Good info Than you
Why no mention of MidNite Solar's PowerFlo 16 battery? Seems to top all reviewed here. This LFP battery has 16 kW of storage, comes with a 15 yr warranty, and is half the price of Powerwall 3.
@@brucebachand5979 he's only reviewing Flagship products because he's trying to create leads for his business the eg4 has Superior power capability Powerball 3 Beach 13kw of storage retailers about 4K end Wholesales about 3K.
I used to install lots of MidNite Solar equipment for off grid projects back in the 2010s. For some reason they haven’t caught up since batteries went mainstream. I hope to review their product in the future.
I am surprised you didn’t add eg4
I think honestly the Briggs&Stratton SimpliFi is a contender.
5. SolarEdge batteries and products are made in the United States and South Korea.
4. Enphase batteries and products are now made in the US (South Carolina), they used to be made in China but moved to the USA.
3. Point Guard batteries and products are made in the USA, made in the Sacramento California area.
2. Tesla Powerwall 3s are manufactured in Sparks, Nevada at Tesla's Gigafactory
1. Franklin Whole Home (FranklinWH) batteries and parts are manufactured in Shenzhen, China.
If it's better it doesn't matter were it's made
@@bernielennox1031 - It could very easily matter if you are trying to get the US tax rebates and i'll take American made quality every day of the week over Chinese made!
@@bernielennox1031 It could very easily matter a whole lot if you are trying to get the US tax rebates and I will take USA made over Chinese made every day of the week.
@@Bowhunters6go8xz6x most of the best renewable tech is made in China. It's unfortunate, but China is dominating the sector largely because of the lack of consistent US policy. It's cheaper and better in most cases and where things are comparable for capability it isn't comparable for price. They produce more than 10x what the US does for global export and we just can't match the economies of scale necessary to compete on price at this point. I'm all for supporting US products, but only if quality, price, and customer support are good.
@@Bowhunters6go8xz6x Sorry i nearly choked when you said American made quality
I love everything about pointguard, but I'm hesitant to give up module level monitoring on the roof.
SolarEdge is my favorite system architecture. Their system has so much potential, but sometimes the installer app is very confusing and certain options just don't always work until support messes with it. This is not acceptable and the app should be much more clear on whether the setup is completed or not. The next gen stackable battery cannot come soon enough. That would eliminate all the RS485 wiring, and greatly simplify the install.
Enphase is solid once the system is up and running. My biggest complaint with them is all the efficiency losses and the sheer complexity of the system. There are so many components to install and wires to land which means more places for errors in the field. Also their koad controller is limited to 36A. I need to shed BIG loads, 40, 50, even 60A breakers need to be shut off and I dont want to be modifying the contactor in a "ready to use" load control box.
FranklinWH is super simple and just plain works every time. I'm more of a fan of DC coupling, but if you must go AC, Franklin is a solid choice.
I've never personally installed Tesla, so I don't have an opinion on their equipment.
You can easily use PointGuard and AC couple with Enphase microinverters. You could even decide to do a portion of your solar array DC coupled to the Point guard Controller and a second portion with micros, AC coupled to the Point guard LoadHub, in case you have shading and are worried about performance on the shaded area. The PointGuard Home system supports both AC coupled and DC coupled arrays in the same system, giving you the flexibility to get the best of both worlds.
Tesla needs BOTH generator and Span load control. I would like to think that the Gateway could be modified to include a generator input that could recharge the battery. It could not be that hard, right? Franklin figured it out. In fact, why not integrate Span load control and generator support? While they’re at it, make the PW3 inverter field replaceable and include battery expansion for slave PW3s?
These are all great recommendations. Tesla did just release the DC expansion aka slave PW3s so you can keep the installation simple.
Hey! Did you intentionally forgot Canadian Solar EP Cube?
No. EP Cube is promising, but I would consider it part of the Top 5.
My recommendation is to check what can make it into your utility vpp program and fo for it. A good part of the value is recouped that way.
That’s a good point. Tesla and Franklin are both widely accepted for VPP
The 80W estimate for the Enphase built-in "computer" seems high. Is that the documented wattage? 80w is more in line with a moderately active (non-idle) laptop, with a screen, SSD, graphics, etc. I would expect it to be more in line with an embedded compute system which is more like 5-20 watts.
I meant 20W idle draw per battery so 80W for the total system in this example.
best BANG for the buck battery 2025 EG4 LL
I would not use any AC coupled system - it is inefficient as it requires additional ACDC conversions.
That’s a good point. There are advantages to both types of systems, depending on the application. If you're a homeowner who already has solar and doesn't want to void the warranty, AC-coupled batteries are the best way to add storage.
What about EP cube battery
Is it possible to provide solar to a 10,000 sq ft home?
Franklin says that the inverter comes with the Franklin battery as you said you need to get a separate one
Great video! Thanks for the summary. I think another great video similar to this approach would be non standalone systems like Sol Ark or EG4 and paired batteries. Little more complex video, but in many ways those are superior builds for the user that doesn't need everything in one app which isn't always useful. As a Span panel user, I haven't found any videos that explain how things work when you don't pair with a recommended battery which might also make a good video. Battery is next years objective 🙂
Sol-Ark and Pytes paired as they are tightly integrated.
@Scott-sm9nm that is the combo I'm looking at. I have also been considering the EG4 18 with EG4 batteries. The price is a lot lower, but I think the Sol Ark is a better fit for my setup. I like the EG4 battery 6 battery rack and overall price. My gut keeps saying Sol Ark, though. I wish Sol Ark paired with EG4 batteries was UL. I don't think it will pass inspection in my area. A little odd that Sol Ark and EG4 batteries haven't gotten certified together yet.
You forgot to include LG RESU10H Prime batteries coupled with SolarEdge inverters. Best bang for the bucks and highest current draw compared to the SolarEdge Battery Bank.
Personally, I’ve had a very bad experience using previous generation LG batteries with SolarEdge inverters.
In Australia we have Fonius solar with BYD inter-connected batteries
I have sunpower panels, what system do you recommend? I want to add 1 battery and a generator. Im off well water and a booster pump so i have some high demands when the grid is out. Thank you.
I would recommend PointGuard or FranklinWH
Prices without install would be useful. That way it's useful to know which companies are charging more markup and labor vs parts breakdown
Should have reviewed the Enphase 5P batteries instead.
What are some examples of Smart circuit control that you put on the Franklin A Gate?
HVAC compressor, EV charger, water heater, clothes dryer
@ @ what I actually meant was is it already built into Franklin’s or is that an extra device that has to be installed after the battery is installed ?
What about the Anker Solix X1 battery system?
Anker Solix is a contender also. Very similar to PointGuard except Anker is AC coupled only.
@@SolarSurge Thanks. Our solar guy is encouraging us to use Enphase, (I like iron phosphate lithium) but we have a whole house propane generator. I'd like to be able to tie it in and charge the battery. Can that be done or retrofitted to Enphase?
so if I already have enphase solar panel can I use FranklinWH
Yes, FranklinWH is compatible with virtually any solar inverter or micro-inverter system.
Why didn't the Anker Solix X1 make it to the Top 5?
Top 5 "Commercial" batteries for storing energy from solar. They could also be called "Top 5 Most Expensive" ways to store energy from solar.
What are your top 5 non commercial and least expensive ways to store power?
@@chinaskibukowski7747 - I build from component parts or use 2nd-life products in creative ways. Everything from used scooter batteries to run a 12v fridge for days, to 51.2v, 105ah packs built from raw cells. Have you built anything from parts?
I'm a little surprised by some of the picks over something like the Anker Solid X1 or RoyPow. Both seem better than a few of your picks. A lot of good options these days.
Were the heck is EG4 equipment?
Eg4 all the way. Just on customer service alone
For how many charge/recharge cycles are these batteries designed for?
Compared to EV batteries the price/kwh seems rather large
Good observation. EV batteries offer much lower $/kWh and that’s why bi-directional EV charging is such a game changer. Most home batteries are rated for up to 6000 cycles
@ Interesting. 6000 is about double what EV batteries have. I also wonder how the batteries are charged in multi-battery installations and IF the BMS is smart enough to track down cycle amount of each battery. Or if they even have such capabilities
As tech gets better and better every year i get nervous to just buy lol
The tech will change every year. Just be sure to get current state of the art and hire a reputable installer.
Ditto the EG4 inclusion. thoughts?
The EG4 is a good option for those who want a modular system and/or DIY.
LG Electronics Home 8??
imagine missing out on sigenergy
What abot EG4?
Joe said at the start of the video he was not going to cover (battery only systems) which is what an EG4 is, this was his 2024 whole (all in one) system review.
Eg4 has there own inverter
Eg4 is way better
Know one taking Franklin serious
There's just too many better options out there than these that you listed.
I don't think so. Radically overpriced solutions with limited life spans and potential for disaster make no $ense whatsoever. Maybe this year, maybe next, the answer will show itself.
Tesla has 1/3rd of the footprint.
Hoymiles is better than any of them and you never mention them.
Nice options for buying Nothing Elon.
You didn't note the Tesla Powerwall is Lithium Ion, not LIFEPO4.
Generation 3 Powerwalls finally switched to LFP
I believe the new Powerwall 3 is LFP
@@SolarSurge It’s sad that no really knows
I won't buy anything from Tesla or related to Musk so thanks for showing us the alternatives as well.
It's always important to consider all your options.