Best Battery for Net Zero Home? (Enphase IQ 5P)

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  • @UndecidedMF
    @UndecidedMF 2 місяці тому +28

    Wow! Big fan of your channel. Awesome to see your thoughts on my setup and take on it. 👍

    • @SolarSurge
      @SolarSurge  2 місяці тому +4

      Thanks for the reply. Overall a great setup and you should have consistent experience on the Enphase platform. It's too bad Enphase and SPAN didn't do a better job on their integration.

    • @UndecidedMF
      @UndecidedMF 2 місяці тому +5

      @@SolarSurge yeah, that’s a big bummer for me so far. Span has been working with me on a possible software fix for it. No matter what though, it’ll never be as accurate as a direct tie-in to Enphase.

    • @quibbs9848
      @quibbs9848 Місяць тому +4

      Matt, just wanted to say we enjoy your channel/content as well as Solar Surge. Keep up the good work.

  • @Quidproquo07093
    @Quidproquo07093 3 місяці тому +12

    Thank you for presenting and responding to Matt's video. I've been watching Matt's channel for years, and he presents many energy saving solutions and appliances for the typical home. I'm glad he caught your attention, and I hope some of your viewers decide to follow him as well. Keep up the good work, you are educating many people on preparing for the zombie apocalypse!

  • @miguelzrx
    @miguelzrx 3 місяці тому +4

    I have an face and it took him two weeks to hook it all up and all running perfect and I love it

    • @miguelzrx
      @miguelzrx 3 місяці тому +1

      Sorry about that I met in phase

  • @Homerun_Vince
    @Homerun_Vince 3 місяці тому +10

    You have the best solar content on the internet right now. Thank you 🙏

  • @doncornelious7553
    @doncornelious7553 2 місяці тому +3

    This was an amazing tutorial for me as I’m in the process of getting my solar roof integrated with my very expensive electrical system for a relatively small home in Southern California. My local code inspectors will certainly be looking for the best in class safety profiles of the system I choose to complete my system. Cheers!

  • @jasonwidegren3211
    @jasonwidegren3211 2 місяці тому +1

    Two of my favorite channels for discussion of self-sufficient energy solutions. Love it!

  • @quibbs9848
    @quibbs9848 Місяць тому

    We are building a large home and using ground based solar panels. It's a large system. Over 80kwh storage (16 5ps) and over 70+ panels. We are consuming as much Enphase content as we can and yours has been the best by far. Glad to have found your channel. If I would have found it sooner and known you were in SC I would have contacted you when we were first discussing going solar.

  • @davidorcutt9246
    @davidorcutt9246 20 днів тому

    Fireman Joe!!!!
    Spot on with your review, correct and honest.
    Listen to Joe yall.
    He is smart, knowledgeable, good to work with.

  • @GBOY185
    @GBOY185 3 місяці тому +4

    I've really been thinking about going with the EcoFlow DELTA Pro Ultra set up. Seems to come out much cheaper while allowing a modular setup with batteries that can be moved around for multiple use cases.

    • @MrRichardyc
      @MrRichardyc 3 місяці тому +1

      I dont think you can use the Delta Pro Ultra or any Ecoflow or other brand of off grid systems with a grid-tied solar system.

  • @GerardoRodriguez-ov5se
    @GerardoRodriguez-ov5se 3 місяці тому +2

    Another great video. Do you have any videos on modular systems, such as Eco Flow, Bluetti, or others?

    • @SolarSurge
      @SolarSurge  3 місяці тому +1

      Yes, check out our video on Bluetti EP800: ua-cam.com/video/wT9BWuwH7v8/v-deo.html

  • @DGuthrie1111
    @DGuthrie1111 3 місяці тому +2

    We went with 3 Enphase 5p batteries with 24 Qcell 410 panels and IQ8M inverters for $43 k. Both of the Tesla system quotes were 6 figures. We're running off-grid after Hurricane Beryl. Turning off the A/C in the evening, and surviving. I wish we had gone with 4 batteries.

    • @SolarSurge
      @SolarSurge  3 місяці тому +1

      Hey, that’s a very good price for that system. I hope your installer was able to make a little bit of profit. Glad to hear the system is holding up.

    • @DGuthrie1111
      @DGuthrie1111 3 місяці тому +1

      @@SolarSurge After 7 quotes... my wife got us a "friends & family" quote from a friend in the business. We got lucky. The next closest quote $18k more.

    • @SolarSurge
      @SolarSurge  3 місяці тому

      @@DGuthrie1111 I'd bet they lost money on that project. Hopefully that company will be able to make it long term.

  • @chesta30
    @chesta30 22 дні тому

    Thanks for all the shared information - it is very helpful - I live in North Carolina near the South Carolina border in Gaston Co and would love to be able to connect regarding maximizing my system and my future goals

  • @alexicon_
    @alexicon_ Місяць тому

    thank you kindly for the video, hugely informative - one might say enlightening 😄 but really, your video was very well put together and helped bring to light some important considerations for someone looking at the enphase system. thank you again!

  • @Scott-sm9nm
    @Scott-sm9nm 3 дні тому

    Wonder if you can take the 9.6 kW 240v NEMA 14-50 output of the Cybertruck bed and hook it up to the 'generator' input of the a battery system? Seems like it would work just like a generator with a L1 & L2 coming from the generator and there is a neutral balancing transformer in the battery system to create the 120v capable input into your backup loads.

  • @therevoman
    @therevoman 3 місяці тому +1

    Interesting. I love the modular approach. Lets me customize exactly what I want/need, and allows me to expand.

  • @edselg6602
    @edselg6602 Місяць тому

    Great video. As a homeowner, I'm a novice with respect to solar panels. Wish I had discovered this channel before making a decision. I went with the enphase panels but am somewhat comforted by this video that it may not have been a bad choice all things considered. I did not go with the batteries, but I did consider them. I did have the designers put together a full blown option in the event I wanted to add batteries in the future.

  • @Bowhunters6go8xz6x
    @Bowhunters6go8xz6x 3 місяці тому +20

    It has always seemed to me that Enphase has gone out of their way to create a route where they force people that buy their solar panel micro inverters and controllers, etc. to force people to be locked into buying all Enphase components including batteries. They also seem to have (doubled down) by creating their batteries with even more micro inverters and so to force people to make you buy as many of their inverters as possible and in the end it is to line their pockets. ( Not a Question Really, but more of what i've seen from their equipment and their pushing people to buy more and more of their micro inverters. )

    • @lawrence_SoCal
      @lawrence_SoCal 3 місяці тому +3

      The counterpoint is vendor finger-pointing if an issue arises leaving homeowner in the lurch when combining best-of-breed. We are VERY early in the tech curve on consumer whole home batteries (in the overall scheme of things). I have SunPower system using EnPhase inverters… I’m annoyed enough with SunPower for their heavily shortcut to-my-detriment install, that I’d love to dump their PVS6… but anyway.
      As SPAN is complete overkill for me/my use case, what I’ll be looking forward at some point is a Hybrid Inverter and battery system that are guaranteed compatible, if not same vendor or an integrated unit.
      Matt’s mentions his real reason for enPhase battery is local AHJ sprinkler requirement for over 20kWh system … as I’m looking at >20kWh battery system, enPhase makes no sense at this time for me.. other professionally installed options will be cheaper

    • @joep5170
      @joep5170 2 місяці тому

      You can choose whatever panel you want. The Enphase hardware is good, price reasonable, app great, but do charge extra for some features. The only item that is sub-par is their chargers.

  • @williamlloyd3769
    @williamlloyd3769 3 місяці тому +5

    Quick question on app, is Bluetooth sufficient to control these home battery systems or do you actually need internet access? If so, why?

    • @SolarSurge
      @SolarSurge  3 місяці тому +2

      That's a great question. I don't have a clear answer on that yet.

    • @mwolrich
      @mwolrich 3 місяці тому +2

      @@SolarSurgeEnphase Requires a live internet connection, to control the battery discharge, in the event your connected to a virtual powerplant on the grid, this is because the utility directs them to put your system in discharge in the event they need grid support. They also require a cell modem as a backup, in the event the main ethernet or wifi connection stops working. It’s also a good ides for the data logging of production & discharge, and finally it’s a requirement for their 15 year/6,000 cycle battery warranty. how can they track cycles if it’s not being monitored?

    • @keng5067
      @keng5067 3 місяці тому +1


      Enphase is now holding training for use of their batteries and micros in OFF grid systems. I would assume that the internet connection requirement will be relaxed with this type of system, since many of these OFF grid systems are in remote locations and do not have internet access.

    • @mwolrich
      @mwolrich 3 місяці тому

      @@keng5067 Internet access is now worldwide, StarLink works anywhere, and its very fast. It is a bit costly, but even off gridders need internet..

  • @markcampanelli
    @markcampanelli 3 місяці тому +1

    Two of my favorite You Tube channels put together 🎉. Wonder-twin powers…activate!

  • @marcvanheugten9472
    @marcvanheugten9472 19 днів тому

    Thing is that these batteries are too expensive, but yes the eco system is nice. Then again the solar inverters that are nice are also more expensive than the first available model, setting the max of your 400wp panel back to 300wp. SO all in all I am little bit happy, but it has its downsides, which can be overcome at extra costs, the system is much more expensive than other systems. And you are right about app dependence and then I refer to my hifi system than I cannot upgrade because of the app. Wouldnt mind a small control panel in my closet.

  • @MrNicholls97
    @MrNicholls97 2 місяці тому +2

    Can you make a video about the solarc (if thats spelled right) install
    I agree that even beyond "grid down" apps are not safe from acquisitions, hacks, etc, and are a threat vector.

  • @roguegeek
    @roguegeek 13 днів тому

    Any thoughts on using the Enphase microinverters with a Franklin battery?

  • @chrisross3631
    @chrisross3631 3 місяці тому +2

    What would you recommend for a pro-installed unified battery/controller ecosystem setup then? I used to think you favored Enphase, but you seemed to have soured on them recently?

    • @SolarSurge
      @SolarSurge  3 місяці тому +5

      I still like Enphase. I also like Tesla, Franklin and SolarEdge depending on the situation. In this case, since he already had Enphase micro-inverters, staying with the Enphase batteries made sense.

  • @williamlloyd3769
    @williamlloyd3769 3 місяці тому +5

    In the end it seems you’d be better of having an energy audit of the house, mitigate things like missing insulation, replace old single pane windows, replace older water heater, replace old furnace with heat pump, etc. in other words, limit your energy usage up front before investing in solar cells and batteries.

    • @SolarSurge
      @SolarSurge  3 місяці тому +2

      Agree 100%

    • @danielcarroll3358
      @danielcarroll3358 3 місяці тому +1

      True. I have all of 3.9 kW peak of solar. Under NEM 2.0 in California I produce 2,000 kW-hr excess per year. This really surprised me as in renovating my house I added a basement and two more baths to a three bedroom house. The difference was really insulating everything, putting in double pane windows and going all electric with heat pumps for AC and hot water.

  • @Travlinmo
    @Travlinmo 3 місяці тому +2

    You would find my Tesla PW install ugly but I love it.

  • @jascam1
    @jascam1 Місяць тому

    Great content, nothing beats a peer review when it comes down to comparing apples to apples.

  • @alzuu1
    @alzuu1 3 місяці тому

    So my installer made us two quotes for a solar/micro plus battery system. One was with 3 enphase 5ps and one with 1 PW3 - the enphase system was only like 4k more(I'm in NC).

  • @llN3M3515ll
    @llN3M3515ll 3 місяці тому +2

    I am pretty sure you can access the enphase web ui locally and dont need intenet connectivity.

    • @kg4cnm
      @kg4cnm 3 місяці тому +1

      Not directly through a web UI, it can be controlled somewhat through Home Assistant locally

  • @bobpietraszewski4331
    @bobpietraszewski4331 2 місяці тому

    I just started watching but right off the bat had the same impression and I just got done watching a video about the ethos batteries which I have to price or better or less than a Tesla powerwall

  • @CC-mj3zq
    @CC-mj3zq 3 місяці тому

    Enphase has great products I have no issues with anything that they do. Who's just a little unfortunate that the cost of the in phase solar only battery sized to any substance is so close in cost to a full function battery like a Franklin for example.

  • @whenniceguysretaliate5619
    @whenniceguysretaliate5619 Місяць тому

    12:00 Using an App?? Sol-Ark has a local inteface that doesn't require cell service or an app to control.
    Awesome point. Thanks.

  • @samfish6938
    @samfish6938 2 місяці тому +1

    You can buy batteries 14k for $3000 wall mount
    Install 2 or 3 there are differant brands EG4-WallMount Indoor Battery | 48V 280Ah | 14.3kWh | Indoor |

  • @BornRiders
    @BornRiders 2 місяці тому

    Great video. Which brand do you recommend for battery backup without solar?

  • @lanceguilin
    @lanceguilin 3 місяці тому +2

    Joe, have you found any definitive document or spec sheet from Tesla which actually/officially states that the new Power Wall 3 is made up of LFP batteries as opposed to NMC batteries? I still haven't been able to officially confirm that the Power Wall 3 system use LFP batteries.

    • @SolarSurge
      @SolarSurge  3 місяці тому +3

      No I think they intentionally did not publish this to spark the kind of speculation we are having now.

  • @ushipb00
    @ushipb00 3 місяці тому

    Great video review! Both Matt Ferrell's channels and yours are a must-watch. It's like a good comic book crossover with you reviewing the video! I personally prefer Solaredge due to the lower price point compared to Enphase, but the NMC battery chemistry is less superior than LFP. I do have a question. Since Solaredge has released their Solaredge Energy Hub inverter, has the reliability improved? Has the installers noticed a lowering of the failure rates with that inverter?

  • @Snerdles
    @Snerdles 3 місяці тому

    I'm very interested in the point guard energy home battery solution but only as long as their bidirectional DC EV charger works with a vehicle I'd be willing to buy. Waiting patiently as it seems to he vaporware roght now.

  • @timothymusson5040
    @timothymusson5040 3 місяці тому +1

    Also, isn’t dumping water on a lithium fire a really bad idea? Wouldn’t the sprinkler system just make the problem worse?

  • @SuperSushiRoll
    @SuperSushiRoll 29 днів тому

    I think you should have really focused on the 20kWh limitation he had. That automatically rules out Tesla and Franklins.

  • @alexkumar7062
    @alexkumar7062 Місяць тому

    If you do DIY then do you get rebates etc

  • @DoctorKnockBoots
    @DoctorKnockBoots 3 місяці тому

    Hey @Solar Surge... if they are pahsing out or doing away with net metering as you stated in this video, then whats the purpose of even getting panels and batteries anymore? If we eventually wont significantly lower or electric bill, then why pay $30k to $50k for all of this stuff?

    • @SolarSurge
      @SolarSurge  3 місяці тому

      The idea is that you can be your own utility both day and night so you don’t need Net Metering. You would literally use the electric utility as a last resort option only. So you would be able to reduce your electric bill significantly.

  • @robertbrownell3918
    @robertbrownell3918 3 місяці тому

    I like Span, but don't you need the internet to get full use?

  • @savagecub
    @savagecub 2 місяці тому +1

    The Enphase solar panels have one the highest wind ratings of any panel.

    • @SolarSurge
      @SolarSurge  2 місяці тому +1

      I'm not aware of any Enphase brand solar panels.

    • @savagecub
      @savagecub 2 місяці тому +2

      @@SolarSurge
      You are correct sir. I stand erected. What I meant to say was Aptos panels.

  • @matthewowen1360
    @matthewowen1360 3 місяці тому

    Great video!

  • @markcluff7104
    @markcluff7104 3 місяці тому

    I learned a lot ty

  • @BrianBetron
    @BrianBetron 3 місяці тому +1

    Nice job

  • @andoniskapsalis4063
    @andoniskapsalis4063 Місяць тому

    Min 20:35 you state that you believe ENPHASE requirea that they do the planset for you. That is NOT accurate. We are an installer in Hawaii. Other than that a great video.

  • @JeffreyAdams-kt5gv
    @JeffreyAdams-kt5gv 2 місяці тому

    Enphase discusses their Gen 4 10kw battery in their latest investor presentation. Title is something along the lines of “CEO letter 2023” (reviews their fiscal 2023). Due in 2025 along with Combiner and System Controller merged into a single box.

    • @SolarSurge
      @SolarSurge  2 місяці тому +1

      Very interesting. Would you please share the link to the report...

    • @JeffreyAdams-kt5gv
      @JeffreyAdams-kt5gv 2 місяці тому

      @@SolarSurge For some reason UA-cam will not let me paste the link. search for “Enphase CEO letter 2023”. It’s 24 page PDF

  • @ChandraSkinner
    @ChandraSkinner Місяць тому

    Just discovered your channel and looking to learn more from you. But I am having a problem with your vlog. When you talk there is background music, Why? Talk to anyone. Why would distract from what you are trying to convey buy adding background music. It is distracting. And I know the CC is possible. But you know how we can be. We are reading and listing to something totally different. Try a video without the background music.

  • @dewholdingsllc1050
    @dewholdingsllc1050 2 місяці тому

    😂seems like folks like to dream up complicated and expensive systems to geek out over. With net metering going away or having never existed in the first place, ( my situation) I don’t see how this system is cost effective. I can’t justify spending so much money per Kilowatt hour. In addition, he never stated exactly what the entire solar system expense was gross or net after tax credits and rebates. Fuzzy details. I met recently with the site engineer for new line extension for the coop and he recommended that I install a standby natural gas generator for power outages and I could add the least expensive battery storage if I felt compelled. Generator would keep the battery charged if power was out. My 2 cents

  • @petersimms4982
    @petersimms4982 3 місяці тому

    Wow go dam😊

  • @susanswafford5903
    @susanswafford5903 3 місяці тому

    So, how do I get federal tax break if Im on SSI

    • @tookster7483
      @tookster7483 3 місяці тому +3

      That's the problem. Essentially, if you don't pay the government taxes you can't use the tax break.

    • @gamerzieg3211
      @gamerzieg3211 3 місяці тому

      @@tookster7483 Everyone pays taxes xD if your working stiff you pay taxes bro. Everyone forgets that where you work automatically takes out money from your check to pay those taxes.

  • @GeraldPUR
    @GeraldPUR 2 місяці тому

    You dont even need a batteries for the enphase to work or create a/c power. You want something that will last 4 ever get a Victron system 😊

  • @terrya6486
    @terrya6486 3 місяці тому

    As an off grid kinda guy I like my systems to have NO software ! The Biggest problem with any of these systems is always the software in the integration. In a grid down survival scenario No.
    Thank you to any kind of software.

  • @dblanchard34
    @dblanchard34 Місяць тому

    The reason why he chose them is because they sponsored him. Basically he got it for free! Knowing he wanted to use Tesla solar but they didn’t want to sponsor him.

  • @dmv_p
    @dmv_p 3 місяці тому +1

    I like the new style of video ... keep up the good work. Brotha uhhhhhhhhhhhh lol

  • @OComunaMaisFraco
    @OComunaMaisFraco 3 місяці тому

    Copiar e não inovar não me importa.
    Se o produto é bom e barato é o que eu quero

  • @thereplacementfordisplacement
    @thereplacementfordisplacement 2 місяці тому

    Have you considered the option of purchasing a leaf s just to use as a V2H battery instead of installing just a battery on a wall in your garage? Keep leaf outside, it has environmental protection, crash protection, could be used once in a while as backup vehicle, could be driven or towed to a charge station to bring power back home during extended outages. I personally don't want batteries mounted on a wall of my garage, it's not an option or safe either. I would rather have a leaf parked in my side driveway outside, even build a carport over it. This option would cost a similar amount and last way longer given 40kWh battery used in a narrow range SOC. Draw is limited to 7kW but that really isn't a big deal for most households.

  • @robertbrownell3918
    @robertbrownell3918 3 місяці тому

    I am curious why people aren't building their own I can build a 48 volt 315 AH LiFePO4 battery for about $1,600 pluse $200 +/- for a BMS - am I missing something? I am in the process of doing this now (with 2 EG4 6000XP) - I hope I am not missing something obvious

  • @MyUtubeScott
    @MyUtubeScott 3 місяці тому

    Micro Investors surviving on top my roof or string inverter living in my garage. Electronics do not like heat. Is it easier to replace one inverter in my garage or each individual micro inverter on my roof? Buy a good quilty string inverter and dont complicate the system.
    House battery - what a colossal waste of money. Why not force EV OEM to make EVs bidirectional? For those 1 or 2 times a year that electricity goes out the 75kW battery in vehicle should hold you over for couple days.

  • @greggall
    @greggall Місяць тому

    I like that you are promoting this technology but most of of your content is Matt Ferrell. I would like to see you do your own content.

    • @SolarSurge
      @SolarSurge  Місяць тому

      I just started making reaction videos, but most of our content is original. Check out the channel we’ve got over 450 videos about solar and storage technology.

  • @markstaniford9965
    @markstaniford9965 Місяць тому

    Ugly? Really? Maybe a by the way at the end of the video. Lets get through the data first. Then do aesthetics

  • @darkshadow4998
    @darkshadow4998 3 місяці тому +1

    13.9kw system he's lying

    • @darkshadow4998
      @darkshadow4998 3 місяці тому

      He has enphase iq8m micro inverteres

    • @darkshadow4998
      @darkshadow4998 3 місяці тому +1

      Maximum continuous 325 x 43 panels 13.9kw

  • @cjb8993
    @cjb8993 2 місяці тому

    "Net zero"? Lol, why would I want to be net zero? There's the lowest parts per million CO2 in the atmosphere than there's been perhaps for millions of years. We need more CO2, not less.

    • @SolarSurge
      @SolarSurge  2 місяці тому

      He means electricity net zero. Generating as much kWh as he consumes.

  • @priyavratshukla7511
    @priyavratshukla7511 2 місяці тому

    Copying everything from “Undecided”. Really! Wish you had made a higher contribution.

  • @gamerzieg3211
    @gamerzieg3211 3 місяці тому

    He picked the most expensive garbage option xD